lore-discussion

[teal imp]

seriosuly they gave Beatrix fire extinguisher animation to Quentin

[ripe berry]

HN2 FG Quentin:

[snow mauve]

🔫

NO

[ripe berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787355342534213652/1106192476630417469/speed.gif

[snow mauve]

Gunter lore is better

[blazing relic]

I don’t get it

[safe charm]

Why does i have a feeling patch 9 will have the guest

[snow mauve]

Then play hello neighbor 2

The peak game (it's not)

[blazing relic]

Bro I’m poor, I spent it all on tickets in sn

[ripe berry]

(Hello Neighbor 2 Full Game Quentin is literally a War Criminal just look at the Library DLC)

[snow mauve]

Bro imagine 💀

Just to spend your cash over a digital item

[blazing relic]

Atleast I got a scout skin

[snow mauve]

Bleh

[blazing relic]

A ninja scout skin

[safe charm]

Is 1.5 lore still canon in some ways

Like the lore it set up

[blazing relic]

Yooo hello engineer neighbor looks fire

[ripe berry]

Alpha 1.5 Ending is canon I'm pretty sure it was stated as such

[safe charm]

Wait where

[ripe berry]

I remember Nikita stated it at some point

[safe charm]

With the door

Banging

In Quentin Office

You mean

[ripe berry]

Yeah, and the other part implies the Guest taking control of Mr. Peterson

[safe charm]

But when in the timeline

Is it gonna take place likely

In hn 2 arent

They seperate

[ripe berry]

I'd say Alpha 1.5 is showing a part of the original ending section of HN2, which is implied by a statement to take place later in the timeline

From the Alpha 2/Beta era

[blazing relic]

When Does hnvr take place in the lore, is it after hn2

[safe charm]

Hn 2 full game isnt canon

[ripe berry]

HNVR is right before Act 2

||HNVR Ending is literally the intro to Act 2||

[safe charm]

Could the 1.5 ending still happen

With guest possesing mr Peterson

[blazing relic]

But I’m hnvr they are at Mr Petersons old house

[ripe berry]

Maybe again one part of the ending is a hint to the Guest possessing Mr. Peterson and the other is a part of HN2 Alpha 2

[ripe berry]

the House in HNVR is more canon then the house in Act 2

Act 2 is a distorted memory

[safe charm]

So does guest still look like the guest

When

[blazing relic]

Doesn’t hn2 end in Aaron trying to help Peterson

[safe charm]

Possesing mr Peterson

[teal imp]

hnvr >>> AS episode 6

[ripe berry]

HN2 can't be before HNVR for one simple reason

||Nicky would be out of the Basement if HN2 came first||

[safe charm]

Huh?

[blazing relic]

In hn2 aaron is alive right?

[teal imp]

hn2 is non canon

[blazing relic]

Bruhhhhhhh

[teal imp]

you can thank the guys who decided it would be a good idea to scrap the fake Aaron plot and add him into hn2

I made a post in hopes that they made hn2 canon #1112445065823006830 message

it has over 50 likes

so I hope the devs listen

[ripe berry]

So there's three timelines:
Main Timeline: GN1, Books 4-6, HNHS/Book 1, Book 2, Book 3/HN1 Act 1, SN, HE, HNVR, HN1 Act 2, HN2 Beta, GN2, HN1 Act 3/Finale, HND, Book 7
HN2 Timeline: HND (Memories)/HNHS, HN1 Act 1, SN, HE, HN1 Act 2, HN2, HN1 Act 3/Finale, HND
AS Timeline: HNHS, AS Ep 1-4, HN1 Act 1, AS Ep 5/SN, HE, AS Ep 6/HN1 Act 2, HN2, Rest of AS/HN1 Act 3/Finale

[teal imp]

hn2 has the fart machine thus book 1 is canon

[ripe berry]

Yes, bit HN2 and HNVR ain't the same timeline

[blazing relic]

Ohhh okay

[teal imp]

which is incredibly stupid

[ripe berry]

HND (Memories) would like to talk to you, it's listing Book 1 without listing Book 1

[teal imp]

the main sequel aint in the main canon

[safe charm]

Yet

Hopefully it Will

[teal imp]

AS retcons hn1 act 1 nicky doesnt even enter the basement lmao

[ripe berry]

This is the current timeline guide

[ripe berry]

No he does

Kinda

I think

[teal imp]

also HE cant be AS lore

[ripe berry]

Maybe not

[teal imp]

it has time travel stuff which ties in with reset day

[ripe berry]

I'm marking a version of those events happening in that timeline

Not the actual game

[safe charm]

The teaser imply mr Peterson catches him in his house

Not in his basement

[ripe berry]

except for Main Timeline and HN2 Timeline

[teal imp]

which is incredibly lame

[blazing relic]

I’m so sad that hn1 act 3 and 4 was a dream

[safe charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1101114242716946554/20230426_214617.gif

Here

[ripe berry]

HN1 Acts 3/Finale ain't a dream

[teal imp]

why are you sad?

[ripe berry]

But it's also not real

[teal imp]

its bassically self therapy for nicky

[blazing relic]

Such good acts and they ain’t real

[hazy slate]

Why.

is.

the.

[ripe berry]

It's Self Therapy of thoughts that happen before you fall asleep

[hazy slate]

window.

so.

BIG!

[teal imp]

they are real to nicky and thats all that matters

its the manifestation of all of his trauma

that he has to overcome

[safe charm]

Couldnt

[ripe berry]

I like how you ain't even mentioning they moved the Red KEy's placement

[blazing relic]

Poor Nicky

[safe charm]

Find

The whole gif

With him geting captured

[teal imp]

the entire point of those 2 acts is to overcome his fears

so it doesnt really matter if its a dream or not

[hazy slate]

oh god I see that

ugh

[teal imp]

the AS is bad

[blazing relic]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-nicky-roth-nikki-raw-hello-neighbor-cartoon-secret-neighbor-gif-20969527

[ripe berry]

Also the Basement is in the Kitchen

[safe charm]

So there are references

To AS as well

[teal imp]

it makes everything but itself non canon

[safe charm]

In hn 2

[teal imp]

you can thank the shitty writing

[ripe berry]

and Blue, at least according to AS

[safe charm]

Like the bedroom

[blazing relic]

I am sad that we got to see scout ONCE in the as

[safe charm]

Upstairs

[teal imp]

this is the only version of the house to do this

[ripe berry]

Making a layout of the AS Peterson Household is probably impossible

[teal imp]

every version of the house has the basement either be in the same place or not exist at all

[hazy slate]

.....

[ripe berry]

Because I already found Trinity's AS House has a impossible layout

[hazy slate]

why in the kitchen

[safe charm]

Wait it is

[ripe berry]

Prob just to get a better shot of Trinity seeing Nicky getting captured through Binoculars

[ripe berry]

Trinity's Room has windows that can't exist based on the exterior of the house

I only found this out because I was trying to create RB in Minecraft according to the AS

Or well a custom layout using AS as a base

and I while building Trinity's House I came across the impossible layout for her room relative to the outside images of the House we have so far

[safe charm]

How finished is hn 2 as of now

In your opinion

[hazy slate]

probably about 20 to 30%

[ripe berry]

AS can't even keep it's interiors consistent with the outside, might as well make it some kind of ever shifting layout in some alternate dimension where Trinity is being held by some omnipotent being that wiped her memory

[safe charm]

Yeah

[hazy slate]

I would assume the current full game is act 1

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[safe charm]

I hope the story will continue

After the current ending

[ripe berry]

Maybe they could even make a excuse to tie it into Main Lore

[safe charm]

So is it just me

Or have they added too Many green trees

Recently

[shell gull]

Nah there is no way

[snow mauve]

I'm dead

[lyric plover]

I have an oc who would’ve been in the rescue gang

For Hn

[ripe berry]

Fun Fact: There's a little detail in HN1 that suggests that Act 1 doesn't take place March 1997 but instead at a later date, and it's that several trees on the map have falling leaves, indicating the game is set closer to summer then March, which fits with HNHS which goes from March-May, and HNHS was said to be the events before and leading up to Act 1, which works with the little detail. This means that originally before the Books retconned the months and years: March-May 1997 is HNHS, ~June 1997 is Act 1, ~August 1997 is Act 2, and ~sometime before June 2017 is Act 3/Finale

[cold gull]

Cool

[teal imp]

Or it could just be an overlooked detail

[shell gull]

Makes sense since Nicky took a lot of time on preparation

[ripe berry]

While I know for a fact the month of HNHS was retconned by the books, I don't remeber if they changed the month HN1 happened in, partly since I'm not sure what month HN1 Act 1 happened in and partly because I don't remember which month Book 3 ended on

[mellow torrent]

Hi

[ripe berry]

'ello

[cunning sand]

Wdym

[cunning sand]

Hi

[mellow torrent]

How I can get key

[cunning sand]

What key

[mellow torrent]

look pls

[blazing relic]

Is it a part of my lore that my gf cheated on me

Is it canon

Is it before act 1 hn1

[blazing relic]

Is he here to kill me because it isn’t canon or congratulate me because it is canon

[teal imp]

its a canon event

[blazing relic]

Great

I’m not gonna get jumped by a 7ft vampire that uses robotic stuff that looks like lasers and claws that can pull apart a dimension portal

[teal imp]

your did it!

[blazing relic]

[viscid knot]

Xd

[blazing relic]

[shell gull]

Oi!

https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/1123413321811513475

[lyric plover]

He would’ve served as a “medic”

[solemn sleet]

So the old "judas" painting was in the madness teaser, do you guys think it is just a reference or is it gonna play a part in the story?

[snow mauve]

It's just the for "easter egg"

It won't have any significance to the lore

[teal imp]

Its just trying to be bad fan service

Do they really think these minor easter eggs will make the older fans like the AS?

[solemn sleet]

I feel like at least some of the animated series is going to be a dream, I don't know how the act 3 house could fit into the timeline.

[silver vine]

they have manifestation of fear, cuz they fear Peterson and his house

but Im positive that they just dont care about him in SN

especially cuz of what went down in book 3

if they were actually serious about saving him, they wouldnt imagine building rockets and moon devouring them

wait, what is that?

[ripe berry]

Basically I was using the state of the Back to School DLC to determine how old the release build of HN2 was, there's a room on the second floor that had stuff inside it in the leaked build, but the stuff is missing in FG and the room is boarded up with unremovable boards, anyways this is lore discussion so back to topic

[shell gull]

Yup

That’s a good enough reason

They were probably to scared to even attempt to enter

So they just spent the time they had planning

[snow mauve]

It doesn't

the animated series is like the "new" canon lore

It's retconning most of the timeline from the books and some games

[ripe berry]

I seriously Hope AS is a fever dream in the universe or smth

[snow mauve]

If it's an alt universe

Then I can take it than being the new canon lore

Yet I still don't like how the series is anyway

[teal imp]

I want the AS to be non canon

its just bad

[safe charm]

I think it might work but not canon

To the games

[safe charm]

Read the second book

By the way

[snow mauve]

And books

[safe charm]

Yes that too

Like it simply doesnt work im sorry but it doesnt.

[shell gull]

It isn’t even Canon 💀

[snow mauve]

No shit

I was obviously being sarcastic

[shell gull]

Ik

Anyways

[snow mauve]

What

[shell gull]

Goose

[snow mauve]

💀

[shell gull]

Spot the difference

https://tenor.com/view/goose-geese-goosey-canada-goose-gif-25374618

[snow mauve]

He's uhhh...

[shell gull]

I bet you can’t

[snow mauve]

Well

Erm..

[shell gull]

That is for my new theory

[snow mauve]

He's uhhhhhhh

[shell gull]

You see

The Guest ain’t a Raven

He fits more of a goose stature

He is an actual Goose

Also Guest and Goose work together

He makes weird gurgle sounds like a goose

Therefore he’s a goose

||/j||

[wicked heath]

he is literally called the Raven Man

[uncut mulch]

i wonder if they cancelled it

[wicked heath]

they did NOT

[shell gull]

It was a joke

[tame quartz]

Theory: what if there are 2 different guests

[shell gull]

No

[tame quartz]

It’s possible

[ripe berry]

Explain

How can there be multiple Guests

I could see it if one is worshipped by the Forest Protectors solving Forest Protectors related Plot Holes that'd only make sense if there's another being like the Guest and the other is the main Guest we see throughout the franchise

[teal imp]

🫡

[round badger]

🫡

[wicked heath]

normally, I would roll my eyes over this kind of post, but...

Sure! 🪖 🍞

[hazy slate]

🫡

[still juniper]

isnt he a crow

[shell gull]

That was a joke and he is a Raven/Crow.

[shell gull]

That could fill that plot hole actually, it could make sense that there’s another entity of Sadness and Depression that’s under the will of the Cult, but why would it take the form of the G.A.M.

As well

[stiff spire]

so as I was saying there was a mayor in the books as well

his name was mayor tavish but we don't know if he's the same mayor in HN2 the way he was described though in the books sorta do match HN2's mayors description he had chunky hands I think and a round face

he eventually got caught alongside with a police officer with the cult

[still juniper]

maybe the town in hn1

[stiff spire]

maybe but as for rn the book lore is outdated

they retconned the books unfortunately

but HNVR sorta keeps it I won't explain what happens in the end but it does kinda follow the old lore

[shell gull]

Only problem is Tavish is white, but since Mayor was character around during Old Lore, it could simply be a Maritza type move.

[snow mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[eternal mica]

What's gn stand for

[tribal talon]

Graphic novel

[eternal mica]

Thanks

[teal imp]

I honestly dont care who the mayor is

I lack any interest in hn2 lore at this point

[teal imp]

huh

looks like Aaron trilogy has been retconned?

hn2 doesnt directly retcon the nicky trilogy

it even has the fart machine...

[safe charm]

I really really hope they are going back with the beta era plotline

[shell gull]

No that happens in the books

[teal imp]

no I mean

tavish cant be the mayor in hn2

[shell gull]

He got re-elected

[strange lance]

what's frustrating is, we will never know who the mayor was, or who any of the characters were. Is mayor tavish or not, was gerda really alien kid all along? none of this will ever be answered

[shell gull]

Unless they just simply revert the cutscenes to Old Lore and make some tweaks to it.

[teal imp]

he got exposed as a cultist....

[unkempt sleet]

He didnt got exposed as a cultist

[shell gull]

From my understanding he never did, though he was arrested with the rest just never had enough details to fully expose him, so he managed to get re-elected.

[unkempt sleet]

he also didnt get arrested

[shell gull]

Oh yeah

[unkempt sleet]

i dont have the book with me rn, but im pretty sure he didnt got arrested as a cultist because he didnt to go to the last ritual

[strange lance]

hello neighbor: race swap boogaloo

[teal imp]

so bassically

if we tie hn2 to book lore

all of the remaining cult members didnt go to the last ritual?

[safe charm]

Hi

[unkempt sleet]

No

My theory is that not every member got arrested, and with luck machines gone, they tried to do something with the golden apple coins

but thats just my theory

[teal imp]

a game theory

thanks for watching

[unkempt sleet]

[safe charm]

So is tapes

Old or new lore

[unkempt sleet]

what does tapes show anyway?

[safe charm]

Im just wondering if they might be reverting back

To old lore

With things likle the tapes for example

[teal imp]

they dont show anything because they are AUDIO tapes 🤓

[teal imp]

if they listen to feedback then maybe

[safe charm]

Ik its really hard work to change a games story but im so intrested to know what the beta and alphas teased

[unkempt sleet]

*Green: Crows kraa
*Orange: some random noises
*Purple: someone finding a secret area
*Red: Ted burying something and then chasing someone
*Blue: someone taking pics (secret sped up version: someone taking a pic of Guest and Guest getting angry)
*White: Mayor talking to Nielsen about finding Mr. Peterson

this is the tapes

they mostly connect to cult

and with my theory in mind, they can work with old lore

[safe charm]

Like sn just got old lore added

So why not hn 2

[teal imp]

tbh the main thing that needs to be changed about hn2 is Aaron

[safe charm]

They cant mix canons though

[teal imp]

they sort of can?

its possible

[safe charm]

If they are going to make it old lore then they will have to go back to the original plan

[teal imp]

just makes things messy

[safe charm]

I wouldnt like that

Then old lore would seem forced in

They were Cooking something good with the alphas man

[teal imp]

its better than nothing man

[safe charm]

Well i would want beta intro back

Where mr Peterson is already in the museum

[teal imp]

me too

[safe charm]

Or on the run at least

[teal imp]

but we need to ask for the bare minimum

[safe charm]

The guest seem too inocent in full game intro

[teal imp]

welp they can easily fix that

suggest it

[safe charm]

He just seems like a scared animal

[safe charm]

Well i would prefer they went with the beta intro

So idk if i wanna do that

[teal imp]

still ask for it

if they change the intro then they will at least change this

[safe charm]

He looks like a god in this image lol

Like a storm god

[gentle elm]

Damn...

[safe charm]

Im so querious to what they were planning with him

[silver vine]

no he didnt

he just lost election

[teal imp]

oh

[silver vine]

he wasnt exposed

he lost the election at the end of book 6

the people forgive him

[warm ledge]

hey whats going on?

[lapis sonnet]

yeah only officer tapps and gordon cleave got arrested

so whats the current opinion

is hn2 still a "shared universe" with the AS that doesnt fit into either timeline anyway?

or is the guest changing it

[shell gull]

Well, there’s a chance Canon lore will come to Current HN2, as in the background of the Guest teaser you can see the place looks rundown, which could be reference to the Hurricane.

[lapis sonnet]

not to mention the last patch added those book paintings

they were tweaked slightly but still

also isnt it weird how the guest is animated? hes animated for every two frames just like into the spider verse: basically, in ITSV, the animation for the backgrounds moves every frame like normal animation, yet the characters move every two frames

this is what the guest's animations look like in the trailer

which doesnt look bad i just dont understand

[shell gull]

It’s to give that quick movement look

[lilac oxide]

Mill coming back??!11 (joke)

[opal jackal]

Bro

It's literally nightime with some props and fog

[unkempt sleet]

but no, that confirms they are adding old art style, Mith, Leslie, Big map, Neural network and stuff

[opal jackal]

How does this look rundown

[silver vine]

cars toppled

broken branches

leaves fallen everywhere

water everywhere

[strange lance]

There is only one car turned over
That's normal for any town
That's already in the base game
That's already in the base game

[teal imp]

smh my town is more weird that ravenbrooks

I literally found this while walking home

smh

what kind of town even is ravenbrooks?

[ripe berry]

damn bro RB irl

[teal imp]

no broken toilets in rb cant have shit

[safe charm]

Huh so let’s theorize about the image

Or teaser

[feral ginkgo]

Who want a good theory

[feral ginkgo]

The crow in hello neighbor two and vr is the upside down version of Arron or the other main kids because the neighbor is scared of the crow and the crow sees an upside down version

Another theory
The crow could be the shadow man in hello neighbor 1 because the neighbor is again scared of him

[safe charm]

So why is the town destroyed basically

[spark tulip]

Storm or hurricane, I think.

[safe charm]

Is the guest destroying it

[ripe berry]

The main problem with your theory is this: The Crow (actually named the Guest) is a entity created from Depression and Agony of Mr. Peterson (Neighbor) and Aaron

[spark tulip]

Or some sort of nightmare sequence.

[spark tulip]

Could be possible, also.

[ripe berry]

and the Thing (Shadow Man) is similar but with Fear instead

[safe charm]

I’m just curious them tying him into the story hm?

I’m theorizing

[spark tulip]

So am I.

[feral ginkgo]

I was close enough

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[safe charm]

If we are talking cutscenes since he’s definitely gonna have cutscenes

[feral ginkgo]

But why does the guest see an upside down version

[safe charm]

You think there will be inbetwen

[spark tulip]

I wonder if the teaser could be some sort of cutscene?

[safe charm]

Maybe

[ripe berry]

Guest World/The Nest is some kind of realm the Guest created

so it created it that way

[safe charm]

The ending doesn’t mean he kills Quentin

It could just be cut short

[spark tulip]

Most likely.

[safe charm]

Also it feels like a cutscene

Not gameplay

[spark tulip]

Definitely not gameplay.

[safe charm]

Maybe this will be our first encounter with him besides the intro

You walk in the streets then the cutscene start playing

[ripe berry]

[spark tulip]

Probably, since Quentin doesn't seem to understand The Guest's motives at first.

He just walks away a little.

[safe charm]

It would be weird the guest just spawning in the night

And no introduction

[spark tulip]

We could possibly get a new intro or at least new parts for it.

Regardless of how they do it, I'm sure it'll be great.

[safe charm]

It would be very disappointing them just adding him with no context and no cutscenes

[ripe berry]

Why would the Guest Attack Quentin in the trailer? What could be it's motive here?

[safe charm]

But there’s no way that will happen

[spark tulip]

Hmmm.

[ripe berry]

Especially considering the Guest is the most likely being to bandage up Quentin and return him to the Banner

[safe charm]

Yeah that’s likely the case

[spark tulip]

Maybe Quentin did something that The Guest wasn't too fond of?

[ripe berry]

Yeah but what did Quentin do between the Intro and now that would make the Guest attack him?

Does it have anything to do with the Fountain? The Tapes? anything we do in Gameplay?

[safe charm]

There’s definitely cutscenes missing

Like in between stuff

[spark tulip]

Us trying to free Aaron could be a good reason.

[safe charm]

They removed

Because they couldn’t make the guest ai work

[strange lance]

I think Quentin will wake up back in the banner and then gameplay happens

Considering he always is back at the banner after passing out

[safe charm]

Yeah that teaser is probably a short cutscene and you wake up in the banner

[teal imp]

god I wish we had the nest in hn2

[safe charm]

But it just doesn’t make sense

Why do you wake up in the banner

All the time

[spark tulip]

Someone takes us there.

[safe charm]

When do you think that supposed cutscene will play

If it is a cutscene that is

[teal imp]

honestly

[spark tulip]

Sometime after the current ending.

[safe charm]

Maybe you walk out of the museum or rather dragged out

You walk around the street

And sees the guest

And he attacks us

[spark tulip]

I don't think the current ending will be the same after we get the story continuation, honestly.

[safe charm]

Yes

I honestly think the knocked out part is temporary

It’s just something to end the game

[spark tulip]

It just feels like the most temporary thing ever.

I mean, why'd Aaron forgive his father so suddenly?

[quiet timber]

A look quant

[ripe berry]

and why would it be a prototype shadow that seems to purposefully designed to not look like a character we know

[safe charm]

What do you think they will change the ending into

Actually I think Aaron actually escaped the museum

[ripe berry]

It feels like we ain't meant to find out who that is

[safe charm]

Without Quentin

And he’s out there somewhere

[teal imp]

I would prefer if Quentin woke up right outside the banner and a cutscene like this would play

[ripe berry]

There's some things story expansions may add to the game, like a proper explanation for whatever the hell is going on in Late Fees

Guest Lore is all but confirmed

[safe charm]

So krafied any ideas

On how they can change

The current non ending

[spark tulip]

Quentin could possibly try taking Aaron to the banner, but then The Guest stops them.

[safe charm]

Oh

[spark tulip]

That could explain why The Guest is so hostile in the teaser.

[safe charm]

That’s likely the case not gonna lie

[spark tulip]

Because The Guest basically ||owns Aaron.||

[safe charm]

Yeah now I’m thinking that hnvr is canon

It might be

[teal imp]

hnvr is canon

[safe charm]

But like to hn 2

[spark tulip]

After that, The Guest could trap Quentin in the guest world.

Then we escape and possibly try to save Aaron or defeat The Guest.

[safe charm]

Yeah and maybe it ends with guest possessing mr Peterson

[spark tulip]

Also, since there has just been a storm during the boss battle, the town has somewhat been destroyed.

[safe charm]

Imagine mr Peterson actually is supposed to die

When the crow statue

Falls

[teal imp]

nah I would have the guest drown also

if mr peterson dies he would die in the AS

because all the important lore must be in the AS!!!!!

cant have the games do shit

[spark tulip]

If they're going to kill Mr. Peterson, I think it'd be smarter if they made The Guest drown him.

[safe charm]

Yeah

I actually think Aaron escapes on it’s own to be honest

[spark tulip]

HN2 already has book elements in it, also.

[safe charm]

After the saving Aaron

Cutscene he runs away

So maybe he ran directly to the door

[spark tulip]

It feels refreshing talking about something else other than HN2's older versions.

[ripe berry]

The way I see it only the games are canon to HN2, since most of the book elements come from Books 1-3 which will happen in HND

[spark tulip]

Hm, okay.

[teal imp]

smh

the games being tied to the AS is dumb

[spark tulip]

They're not even doing a good job with it.

[teal imp]

the games being inferior in terms of to anything is dumb

the games should be the main source of lore

not the other way around

I dont wanna watch a shitty cartoon to understand the games

I want to play the darn game

[safe charm]

You think the teaser is a cutscene

[teal imp]

theres a chance

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think it is

Because you clearly see the transition between the run and the jumpscare

[safe charm]

Why wouldn’t it be

[teal imp]

could just be a reused animation

the trailer seems to be an earlier build

especially considering the clouds

[unkempt sleet]

Reused animation of what?

[spark tulip]

I think them using 2's for The Guest's run animation looks really cool.

[teal imp]

the running duh

[safe charm]

I just hope they make him a very aggressive ai

I don’t want him to just being able to be skipped by running

[unkempt sleet]

what does running bein a reused animation has anything to do with the running and jumpscare transition?

Oh wait i understand actually

But i think it's just scripted gameplay instead of an cutscene

[spark tulip]

Can't be.

[unkempt sleet]

How?

[spark tulip]

The camera movements are way too smooth.

[unkempt sleet]

Well, The camera movement can be scripted too

[spark tulip]

No controller can do something like that.

[teal imp]

its probs pre-rendered

[safe charm]

Are we sure he’s a stalker ai

He seem to more directly

[unkempt sleet]

The teaser implies that

[safe charm]

Attack

[unkempt sleet]

well

[spark tulip]

He does wait a while before attacking.

[unkempt sleet]

thats true

but i mean its just a quick teaser

[safe charm]

Also I think his ai will be similar too 1.5 except for the weird house tasks

But outside

[spark tulip]

Also, I'm pretty sure we may get a new Crowman track.

[unkempt sleet]

they might've just did it to show Guest's jumpscare

[spark tulip]

The teaser might just have a custom track, but who knows?

[safe charm]

Nah other wise

Yaroslav

Wouldn’t ask us

To give feedback If it isn’t in the game

[spark tulip]

Oh, right.

He did that.

[unkempt sleet]

yea

[spark tulip]

Also, apparently The Guest's normal map is incorrect in the video.

[safe charm]

Map?

[unkempt sleet]

Normal map

[spark tulip]

Normal map.

[unkempt sleet]

Texture related thing, if you dont know

[safe charm]

Oh okay

[teal imp]

what is wrong with it?

[spark tulip]

Don't know.

[safe charm]

I hope they make raven brooks moodier

[spark tulip]

Aidan pointed it out.

[safe charm]

I wonder how non sunny day

Would look like

[spark tulip]

Oh, right.

[safe charm]

In hn 2 hm

[safe charm]

We might hopefully get darker night

[spark tulip]

Oh, hey, now I see it myself.

[safe charm]

Me too

It looks less detailed

[ripe berry]

The Kru

[safe charm]

And more gray

In a way

[spark tulip]

Because it is.

[safe charm]

So they made a new model

For him

[spark tulip]

New materials.

[safe charm]

Since the one in the files

[spark tulip]

Not a new model.

[safe charm]

Has the correct

[spark tulip]

They just applied the wrong materials onto him.

[safe charm]

Lol

How does

He usually look

[spark tulip]

Here are the newer materials.

[safe charm]

Looks better

I hope his ai is built of his 1.5 ai

But heavily

Modified

[spark tulip]

It already is.

The full game's AI is built upon it.

[safe charm]

Really

[spark tulip]

Apparently.

[safe charm]

So in the demo

Was night actually darker or not

[spark tulip]

I think so.

[unkempt sleet]

The textures was modified for Night in the demo

[safe charm]

The full game night is too bright

At least to me

A flashlight would be useless

[spark tulip]

Looks like the same brightness to me.

[safe charm]

If they don’t lower it

A little bit

[feral ginkgo]

Is there gonna be hello neighbor 3

[safe charm]

I’m happy yaroslav

Is talked to us

And we can give him feedback

[teal imp]

w dev

[snow mauve]

No

[teal imp]

god I hope not

they messed up hn2

the last thing we need rn is a hello neighbor 3

[silver vine]

why the heck would the guest bandage Quentin

[silver vine]

the shadow looks like a character we kinda know...

[safe charm]

Becouse its implied

Why we dont know

[unkempt sleet]

Because everyone wants to forget that Ted is not entirely a bad guy and would rather believe Guest did that

[silver vine]

guest is more eviler than Ted tho

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

But no, they will blame it on new lore

[silver vine]

I always think that the person who bandaged Quentin, is the same person who brings him back to the banner every night, and the same person who knocked him out in the ending

[shell gull]

Ted is a broken character, The Guest is just sinister.

[silver vine]

thats the case

easy

[unkempt sleet]

"erm, actually Guest is a good guy. Why? because AS lore sucks and ruined him or something"

[unkempt sleet]

The dude literally just wants the evidence, He just got a little violent to get it

he also looks at Quentin's badge, he knows where he lives

he is probably the one that carried him back at the banner

[silver vine]

it would make sense if Museum was still across the street from Banner

[silver vine]

he could be, but he def isnt the one who carries us to the banner every night

[shell gull]

He’s broken because all he wants is to restore his Family, The Guest just wants power and to torment Ted as his manifestation

[unkempt sleet]

He is probably the one after the HitInBarn though

Dunno about the other ones

[shell gull]

Doesn’t make sense, he would take the evidence from him, and we know Quentin still has it.

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin has what? Ted got the camera. and Quentin only gets it after Nightmare 3

[silver vine]

and then somehow loses it again

[shell gull]

I’m saying if Ted took him back to the Banner he would take the evidence Quentin has back, literally the items Quentin collects after very night is his evidence, the Picture doesn’t make sense to me though other than proving he’s in the museum as that relic is there, we know Quentin still has the evidence because if he didn’t he would obviously go back to retrieve it or get new evidence.

[unkempt sleet]

What evidence does Quentin even keep in the Banner

[silver vine]

Quentin doesnt have the evidence tho?

its not there in the banner in the morning?

and, Ted def isnt the one who carries him to the banner every night

why would he risk himself to just carry a journalist trying to expose him to his office

[silver cargo]

How does Quentin even pass out every night?

[shell gull]

The Picture, Camera and Shovel, the only reason we don’t see it in the banner is just Dev laziness to add it there.

[silver vine]

really?

[shell gull]

We don’t even know if he does.

[shell gull]

Ye

[silver vine]

I always thought the person who carries us to the banner took the evidence

[shell gull]

Doesn’t make sense

[silver vine]

how do you know?

[silver vine]

how?

[unkempt sleet]

That would make sense if the Ted was the one carried us

[unkempt sleet]

Also, how are you so sure about that

[silver vine]

nah man, why would Ted risk exposing himself

[safe charm]

I just think

Its a flash forward

Quentin goes home

[silver vine]

he def doesnt carry Quentin to his bed every night

[safe charm]

And sleeps

[silver vine]

Quentin is his enemy, why risking your own life for a person whos trying to expsoe you?

[unkempt sleet]

I am pretty sure Guest is also not the one doing that.

So whos doing it

[shell gull]

Quentin would go to retrieve more evidence or at least get the old evidence back, doesn’t make sense for him to be empty handed.

[silver vine]

the same person who knocked us out in the ending

[safe charm]

Noobody its problaby a time skip

[unkempt sleet]

(possibly) Missing Journalist?

[shell gull]

I would say MITH

But he’s retconned in current HN2

[silver vine]

he took the evidence, passed out, and then woke up to his office and found he no longer had the evidence

and he has no idea where the evidence could be, so, he once again goes to the museum to gather more evidence and to free Aaron

thats my interpretation

[shell gull]

Why would he be empty handed though

Plus

We have no evidence of him passing out after every night

[unkempt sleet]

We literally see him pass out with the first nightmare

[silver vine]

the person who carried him from museum to banner took it

[unkempt sleet]

It is probably what happens with the other 2 too

[silver vine]

its clear with the last one

he knocked himself out with the camera flash

was he trying to take a selfie?

[unkempt sleet]

accidently pushed the button probably

[shell gull]

? There was no sound of it or anything, only Night 1 we see him get knocked if the same thing was happening with every other time I think they would show it, he might just be heading back to the banner every night, it could be as simple as that.

We just barely have proof of everything

[lapis sonnet]

i think hn2 might be canon to old lore now

or is beginning to

which would connect it to hnvr ofc

[shell gull]

I believe that too

[safe charm]

True

[shell gull]

As seen in the Guest teaser

[safe charm]

I believe they released

[shell gull]

It looks like the hurricane plot returned

[safe charm]

AS didnt work

Well

With the games

[safe charm]

What?

[shell gull]

In Old lore after HNVR a hurricane hit RB

That’s why I’m A2

The place was run down

[safe charm]

Oh right

[lapis sonnet]

which is odd because it makes u assume gn2's "disaster" and the hurricane are the same

i gtg but yeah

[shell gull]

And in the Teaser you can clearly see the place is a bit run down and broken

[safe charm]

Please explain

Is beta

Barn segment real

[safe charm]

Or is it a dream?

Im really confused

[shell gull]

In the SN we see that a hurricane happens after HNVR, we see in the Teaser elements of the Hurricane hit.

[safe charm]

No the beta

Barn segment

I Always been confused

[safe charm]

If its just a dream

Or real

[strange lance]

why are people saying that a hurricane hit in the guest teaser. It's literally just the normal street with props strewn about that I doubt will actually be in the game

you can't just put props on a road and call it hurricane damage

[safe charm]

Please stop being negativte all the time lol

It might be

We dont know

[strange lance]

I'm not but you guys are stretching it

[safe charm]

No we are not

[strange lance]

this looks like a hurricane hit to you

a hurricane

a big storm

[safe charm]

We havent seen the full map

Also please let us have hope about old lore

[strange lance]

but you're basing it off this one street, so you can't say there was a hurricane either

[teal imp]

it might only be for the trailer

[strange lance]

that's what I think

[safe charm]

Nah its not

[strange lance]

again guys, lower your freaking expectations, this happens again and again with hn stuff but some of you just don't learn

[safe charm]

I do think old lore is returning though

[strange lance]

it is not, if old lore was coming back they would have to redo the whole game

[safe charm]

Sn have old lore added

[strange lance]

which they are most certainly not

[strange lance]

SN has always been old lore

[safe charm]

So old lore is likely coming

[strange lance]

it was never new lore

[safe charm]

Back

[safe charm]

Well they have too

Otherwise

[strange lance]

they are NOT

just stop

oh my god

[safe charm]

It doesnt connect

[strange lance]

stop thinking EGs are going to make major changes

to the "story"

[teal imp]

wouldnt removing Aaron be enough? from what I heard the cult still existed in reset day and not every member was exposed

[strange lance]

they are not going to go back

[strange lance]

Aaron is not the only major aspect of the old lore

they would have to change everything

and they are not

[safe charm]

Just let us wait

And see instead

[strange lance]

I hate to say but stop having hope

[teal imp]

what is the other stuff?

tell me

[safe charm]

You youreself thought so

[strange lance]

what?

[safe charm]

Originaly

With hnvr

[strange lance]

Yeah with newer games

not existing ones like hn2

[safe charm]

But like it cant be like that lol

[strange lance]

you expect them to revert back to the original story in patches?

[safe charm]

No in a gigantic

Update

[teal imp]

hn2 rn is bassically hn2 beta 2

[strange lance]

my guy you have to realize how games work. They would have to remake the whole game

if they wanted hn2 to be like the original everything would have to be changed

and that is just never going to happen

[safe charm]

Well they can change cutscenes

[strange lance]

that's not enough

you can't just change cutscenes

[safe charm]

Remake them maybe

[teal imp]

tell me what else other than Aaron needs to be changed

[strange lance]

Also again do you seriously think Alex would let them go back

you know how he is

he's stupid

but not that stupid

[teal imp]

because the only issues I see is Aaron

the cult could still sorta work with hn2

[safe charm]

But why do you get so angry

When people thinks about it

It coming back

[teal imp]

it would be more stupid to not listen to fans

[strange lance]

The entire town has to be hit by a hurricane, it has to compeltely run down, all the models has to be changed to be run down and broken, the world has to be expanded a bunch to fit in major locations from the original, the guest would need his own stuff, they'd have to bring back all the old systems for things like quentin's watch and weather they'd have to change all the character locations to fit how they were originally were so they all actually interconnect to the overarching story they'd have to also make many many connections to all the books and other media connected to hn2 they'd have to bring and model the entire park and do everything that location had they'd have to bring back the original aaron plot and conclude his story and much more

you can't just do all that

that's just remaking the entire game

that's too much

[teal imp]

half of these seem like gameplay features

how does the map size affect lore?

[strange lance]

you can't fit all that lore into a tiny map

it's not possible

[teal imp]

what does quentin`s watch have to do with lore???

[safe charm]

you are overcomplicating it

[strange lance]

I am not, I'm being realistic

you expect too much of them

[teal imp]

the park seems to be irrelevant in alpha 2 story

[strange lance]

It was part of the original hn2, Ted would go there, and you were able to as well

also even if they just change the aaron thing, why the hell would you want a half canon game

that just makes thing overcomplicated for no reason

I'd rather know that the game doesn't matter instead of only some stuff

[teal imp]

so? that doesnt seem too important to lore

[strange lance]

dude

you forget that's where the time travel experiments

so much happens in the park

that's where mayak is

that's where the observatory is

[teal imp]

well ted could be there during the day then?

off screen

[strange lance]

that would be stupid

[teal imp]

half the shit in hn1 wasnt even told

[strange lance]

hn1 was their first game and at that time they didn't plan on hn being this expanded

stop using that as an excuse

[teal imp]

??

[strange lance]

I'm not trying to be rude but you cannot expect a indie team to remake their entire game's story and change multiple aspects of the game they worked on and are currently working on, which they've already done multiple times, while the ceo who doesn't want it changed watching over them

I am looking at this from a realistic approach

you guys can't just expect them to do all that

and again even if they did want to change it, Alex is literally watching over them, and so are the writers

they're not just gonna let that happen

You know Alex, he's stuborn

So for the love of god stop expecting so much, and keep your expecatations low

[shell gull]

We aren’t expecting that, but if the feedback is pushed further in the near future they might be forced to.

[teal imp]

I didnt even ask them to tie it into the books at one point. I just asked for the games to have a consistent story

having the games be dependent on an animated series or books is just dumb

[strange lance]

if you want the games to be consistent it has to be consistent with the books, it's all connected

[teal imp]

you are acting like thats a golden rule

[strange lance]

it is, the books are part of the story, you can't just shvoe that out

[teal imp]

hnvr has the golden coins by your logic its non canon

[strange lance]

because you so desperately want this stupid game to connect

[silver vine]

no, its not a hurricane, but, this is my theory:
remember in the demo leaks, there was supposed to be a storm from night 4 - bossfight, so, they could bring that storm back in the bossfight, and this could just be the aftermath of the storm, so, guest appears only in later part of the game

[teal imp]

we wouldnt be argueing about this if alex just didnt make that stupid cartoon...

[strange lance]

hnvr is completely connected to old lore, adding just a one off thing like the coins that never even played a part in hnvr's story is fine

yeah

but unfortuntaely that is how it is

[teal imp]

why the hell did alex do this

[strange lance]

but the guest appears when Quentin goes into town...? the storm doesn't bring the guest back he was already there

[silver vine]

he was already there

I never said the storm brought the guest

[teal imp]

I still dont get why he thought it was a good idea to retcon EVERYTHING. a few things being retconned for the AS would have been fine but the entire story is just insanity

[silver vine]

the setting in the background, like the toppled cars could be the aftermath of the storm during bossfight

and thus, this scene could be in a later part of the game

thats what I meant

I didnt mean storm brings guest

[teal imp]

theres a storm during the bossfight?

[strange lance]

There was

[silver vine]

there was supposed to be

[strange lance]

going to be one

but they cut it

[silver vine]

but then they scrap

jsut like literally everything

[teal imp]

bro why do they scrap everything

im surprised the neighbor wasnt scrapped at this point

[silver vine]

storms crashed the game due to RTX

[teal imp]

hn2 didnt even need rtx

[silver vine]

they didnt have time to fix it, so, they scrapped

[teal imp]

my god

[teal imp]

they could have added it back in the months post launch

[shell gull]

They are, Patch 9+

[teal imp]

anyway

when is patch 9 coming anyway?

[spark tulip]

This month, probably.

[unkempt sleet]

Tomorrow definitely

[strange lance]

small timeline of events

then gn2 where the town is normal again building wise

[teal imp]

you sure?

the hurricane could happen in the middle of hn2

just a few day diffrence

[strange lance]

dude please don't make this complicated, I'm talking about the original hn2. The town was already destroyed by the time the cops arrived it can't happen in the middle what, do not bring hn2 fg into this

also, we don't even have confirmation if a storm did hit in that guest teaser

don't treat it as fact yet

[teal imp]

to me you seem to be overcomplicating everything

[teal imp]

im saying it COULD

[strange lance]

then don't tell me I'm overcomplicating things when I just laied out a timeline of events that matches how things went in the game

it's teased in sn, it's teased again getting closer in HE, and in hn2 the storm already hit, meaning it hit at the end of hnvr

it makes sense

it's not overcomplicating you just want hn2 fg to be canon

and i do too

but it's not

[silver vine]

HN2 FG is still canon

canon to its own timeline

and AS

[strange lance]

you know what I meant tc

[silver vine]

yes I do

[strange lance]

I know hn2 fg is canon to it's own timeline

[silver vine]

somethings like HNHS smoothly fits HN2

[strange lance]

hnhs can still work yes

[silver vine]

HN1 and SN kinda loosly fit HN2

Idk about HE, I havent played it

and we all know what happened in HNVR

[strange lance]

HE does not fit at all believe me

[silver vine]

ok

[safe charm]

Still talking about it?

[silver vine]

HND also doesnt fit

cuz Nicky is friends with Aaron in it

Nicky being Aaron's friend doesnt work with HN2's story

[safe charm]

They are friends

I dont think they changed that

[strange lance]

they did

none of the kids know who Aaron and mya are

in the AS

they just know they as Ted's kids

and never met them

[safe charm]

Theres references to the fart

Machine

In hn 2

[strange lance]

that is just a reused asset

[silver vine]

Nicky wouldnt leave his best friend behind to rot

[safe charm]

Nah

[strange lance]

some of those appear in Ted's office too

they do not mean anything

[safe charm]

Trauma

[teal imp]

god I freaking hope the AS establishes that nicky KNEW aaron

[safe charm]

Hes extremly traumatized

[silver vine]

not an excuse

[teal imp]

like why would they scrap their friendship?

[silver vine]

so that HN2 can happen

[strange lance]

so Trinity can be friends with them first duh

she is the new nicky remember

[silver vine]

Nicky can leave Aaron behind

sadge

once upon a time, Nicky was the main hero of HN franchise

[teal imp]

I wanna give the world class writers a world class firing

[safe charm]

Bro he was locked in a basement

[teal imp]

hnvr ending:

[safe charm]

For 2 months

Lol

[teal imp]

nicky literally parties after escaping

[safe charm]

He doesnt wanna think about it

[silver vine]

oh great

[strange lance]

he immediately disassociated from all that

[silver vine]

memory loss

prob

[strange lance]

he doesn't want to remember aaron

[teal imp]

also nicky cant do anything in hn2 because ted already escapes with Aaron

[strange lance]

which is where hnd comes in

[silver vine]

cuz he regains all his memories in HND

[silver vine]

yes

[teal imp]

god I hope the AS has some redeemable shit to it

[strange lance]

I like that all the hn games and books subtly references other games and books (except hn2)

[teal imp]

rn its just worse than old lore in every way

[strange lance]

like the memory thing

[teal imp]

hn2 fart machine:

[strange lance]

I love reused diaries assets

[safe charm]

And paintings

[silver vine]

AS having references to HN1 alphas

[strange lance]

The neighbor-verse

[safe charm]

I guess alpha 1 is canon

[silver vine]

pre alpha actually

[shell gull]

Sorry I’m not part of this discussion really

[shell gull]

[safe charm]

Like Should i just give up hope of geting old lore back

I really miss it still

[strange lance]

just do what I do, pretend the AS and hn2 don't exist, continue with original better lore

like I just don't care about the new stuff

it's easy to ignore

[silver vine]

as for me, I just enjoy HN in all forms

books, games, cartoon, etc.

[safe charm]

Its hard to do that hn 2 trailers brought

Me into hn as a whole

[strange lance]

it's hard but you eventually get over it

[silver vine]

old lore, new lore, blah blah, its all the same to me

[silver vine]

same

it was hard for me at first, but I evantually got over it

[safe charm]

Maybe the beta is new lore

Are we sure its old

[silver vine]

yes

cuz old intro

[safe charm]

Nah i Think its new lore

[strange lance]

old intro, old plot

[silver vine]

but beta isnt really canon if you ask me

[safe charm]

I love it so much lol

[strange lance]

the beta is not canon, but elements from it are to the original story, fake aaron, intro, barn intro

[silver vine]

they jsut built a small world with all the locations from fg, but less detailed and less puzzles

and then they just slapped on the old stuff they already had

[strange lance]

just get those and slap them into alpha 2 and boom there's your hn2

[safe charm]

But why

Do that

Use new story

[strange lance]

?

[silver vine]

old intro, fake Aaron, guest barn tutorial

[safe charm]

Like why use an outdated

Story for the beta

And not the new one

[strange lance]

because at the time they probably didn't have the "new story" planned out

also the beta is just alpha 2 reskinned basically

[silver vine]

the thing is

according to Alex, they did

[strange lance]

then i guess they just didn't bother updating the beta

[safe charm]

Yes they did

[strange lance]

since it was just a beta

[silver vine]

Alex did a reddit post right after beta's launch

in which he said that hes working hard on HN2 and AS and their stories are interconnected

he said that during beta times

[safe charm]

So beta must be new lore

They wouldnt

[silver vine]

no

[safe charm]

Do that

[silver vine]

beta was just a new build with old elements slapped on it

[safe charm]

But why not use new