lore-discussion

[shell gull]

AS yeah yeah, this is Old HN2

Oh

[unkempt sleet]

Its not about the retcon, HN2 Mayor was also in old HN2

[shell gull]

Oh yeah

Crap

[teal imp]

maritza`s race was changed

[shell gull]

Forgot about that

[teal imp]

so was enzo`s

[unkempt sleet]

Its not about the retcon

[fiery otter]

we aren't always re-reading the books to know every small bit of lore - not only does it constantly remind us of this franchise, but we also have grass to touch

[ripe berry]

Now tell me this: Does this guy hold power Outside the Cult?

[teal imp]

im just saying they retroactively made him be a new version of marvin

[shell gull]

No? She’s still Mexican, they just didn’t want people thinking only Mexican people are people of color.

[teal imp]

not saying that was always the case

the alien kid wasnt gerda

but now she is

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think thats the case tbh

[fiery otter]

she's not tho

[teal imp]

oh my god

[shell gull]

Yea

He’s the thanos of HN

[teal imp]

im not gonna argue about a character`s race in hng

this is just dumb

can we argue about something else?

[ripe berry]

He owns a fricking Garlic Store, he doesn't hold Power (at least not in-universe, we all know he's taken over Sh1mpnut's brain by now and is going to collect the six Infinity Luck Devices)

[fiery otter]

people have enough brain cells to know that people around the world have different skin tones.

[shell gull]

Wdym

No he hasn’t

😊

[teal imp]

anyway uhh

leslie and nielson are in hnvr credits

[shell gull]

Not children

Don’t forget

[teal imp]

are they canon to old lore now?

[shell gull]

80% of HN fans are kids

[shell gull]

They have been

Leslie no

[unkempt sleet]

They were always canon duh

[shell gull]

But Keith yes

[teal imp]

leslie?

[unkempt sleet]

You forget Old HN2 had the HN2 characters

[teal imp]

he was in hnvr

[unkempt sleet]

Leslie and Nielsen were always there

[shell gull]

Leslie was the replacement for Tapps

[ripe berry]

Not everyone in the cult has to hold power, and Harold is proof of that

[teal imp]

I keep forgetting

[shell gull]

Mhm

[fiery otter]

bro is underestimating how smart kids can be
when I was a few years old I knew that people from different parts of the world have different skin tones

[shell gull]

It isn’t that deep

I’m just saying

Som kids Are pure dumbass

Ahh crap

I swore

[teal imp]

uh oh

jail

[fiery otter]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-oh-no-oh-god-damnit-damn-gif-10780870

[teal imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1098723649621598280/1100450694760251432/betterintro.gif

hn2 beta lore is peak

why did they cut this

[shell gull]

Anyways

That’s it

[teal imp]

its revealed in the hn2 beta that Quentin caused the car crash

he killed diane!!

[pliant estuary]

isnt HN2 beta book cannon

[ripe berry]

PoV: You're a Pizza Delivery Driver in Raven Brooks on March 31st, 1996, 12:35 AM (and yes I'm using Game Dates since I don't remember the exact Book Dates, only the Book Years and sometimes the months):

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/point-of-view-pov-stop-violence-gif-20975161

[ripe berry]

Books/Game Canon is the one that seems to be the Main Lore so yes

[teal imp]

I wouldnt mind the AS if it didnt affect the games

[shell gull]

POV Nicky after Trauma:

[pliant estuary]

Yes, very good

[teal imp]

alex made it clear the guest was taken out of hn2 because of the AS

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-i-forgot-i-forgor-gif-22449575

[teal imp]

mayak is in the AS but not hn2

they took away all the cool shit and put it in the AS

[shell gull]

Which HN2?

[teal imp]

fg

[pliant estuary]

FG

[shell gull]

Oh… in that case

[ripe berry]

I'm only keeping Track of AS/HN2 FG Lore so I can add it to crackpot theories that probably aren't true but fun to come up with

[shell gull]

👍🏻

[pliant estuary]

ok

[ripe berry]

Otherwise I don't think anyone really cares about whatever the hell they do in AS/HN2 from this point forward

[teal imp]

hopefully they could fix hn2

there are at least 2 active suggestions about connecting hn2 to hnvr

[ripe berry]

Also Might as well say I've changed that Color Symbolism Theory thing because I saw that ya'll didn't think Purple fit and I personally didn't think I was right with Purple either so after some thinking My Friend and I came up with another thing that, while still leaving Purple as the weakest Color in My opinion, is one I feel is much closer to being right then "Purple is Evil" or some sh*t like that

[ripe berry]

I don't know why we even thought of that whole "Purple is evil" Thing, must've just been because we've had FNaF on my mind a lot recently and we all know what the evil man color in FNaF is

[hazy slate]

I was thinking it because of the guest's clothes

[ripe berry]

Well I guess that too

[shell gull]

Any topics

[tribal talon]

Bro, I spent three years doing a lot theory and do really a lot research and analysis it 💀

I’m basically a game theorist on hello neighbor

I literally solved entire franchise of hello neighbor expect secret neighbor and hello neighbor 2

[unkempt sleet]

Good for you

[tribal talon]

The first hello neighbor game are all nightmare and dream of recreate his PTSD event, expect when he’s in his apartment, and the ending

But be honest, it’s pretty easy to solve entire lore on your own, all you have have to do is look at smallest things

That’s why MatPat doesn’t do any theories on HN, because it’s too obviously

And nonsense

[unkempt sleet]

Ok

[teal imp]

I mean the lore was simple until alex started making dumb and needless changes

According to him act 1 and 2 are nicky retelling everything to a therapist

And also nicky saves Aaron according to him

Even tho that is untrue

Hnvr literally shows he is lying

[fiery otter]

it's also because of the tweets and HN2 false advertising

[shell gull]

Your theory on the Guest was somewhat correct.

[shell gull]

Act 4 isn’t canon, though the ending part is.

OST basically just Act 3 but more depth

[unkempt sleet]

So i just watched HNVR's ending
How does it exactly explain the fake Aaron? Because people said it explained Fake Aaron when the leaks happened but i still dont understand

[safe charm]

Well

Lets go in spoilers

[unkempt sleet]

Okay

[silver vine]

you dont know that

Ivan is orange

well, book 7 had the cult

so

[teal imp]

Its confirmed in the raven brooks archives page or whatever its called

Im not home rn but Ill send a link once im home

[silver vine]

reminder that not all of the tunnels got collapsed

only the ones near the park/forest got collapsed

cuz thats where the forest fire was

the tunnels near Ted's house and at other parts of the town should've been perfectly fine since they are far away from the fire

[hazy slate]

what exactly do we all know about Ivan?

[silver vine]

what I think is that, since the cult members were already influential, one prestigious individual became the mayor because of his influence

power was not handed over

Marvin Stevenson Tavish

[silver vine]

his full name was "Leslie Kornwell"

which is actually a reference to Officer Cornwell, the lady officer who was Keith's partner in Nicky trilogy

[silver vine]

it is confirmed that Alien Kid is Gerda

what if Gerda was always meant to be Alien Kid

you cant say that Gerda was not Alien Kid before but now she is

this has happened to the community before

before we thought that Brave was not meant to be Maritza, cuz she had diff skin tone, and they retconned her later to tie with the books

but Yulia confirmed that to be false

Brave was always meant to be Maritza from the creation

I have a feeling that same thing could apply to Gerda

[teal imp]

Gerda didnt even exist back then

Its clearly a retroactive thing

Where they wanted to connected the halloween games to the fg lore somehow

[silver vine]

mfw we saw Gerda back in July 2021

[unkempt sleet]

How do you know Gerda didnt exist back then

[silver vine]

HN2 characters were made when Nikita was incharge of the lore

and, what is "back then" according to you?

we saw Gerda in devlog 1 "back then" in July 2021

[teal imp]

The alien kid connection clearly wasnt

[silver vine]

and how do you know?

[teal imp]

Im talking about alpha 1.5

[silver vine]

yes the characters were planned in alpha 1.5

[teal imp]

There was no indication of that in alpha 1.5

[silver vine]

why would there even be?

[teal imp]

Also its completely diffrent scenario in that alpha aswell

[silver vine]

yes Gerda didnt exist back in HN2's alpha days

[teal imp]

This wasnt a thing until nikita left

[silver vine]

cuz that was very early in development

[teal imp]

There was no indication of it prior

[silver vine]

Gerda was created during alpha 2 days

[teal imp]

My point stands

She was retroactively made to be gerda

[silver vine]

and that could've made my Nikita himself

[strange lance]

I think the website telling us she was alien kid is a good indicator. They had nothing planned in game because she was never meant to be alien kid, and then the website just drops it where almost no one will see it

Also makes no sense as to why her costume is in the museum

[silver vine]

we know that in the early concept art of the baker, she was fat and she wore white clothes, but in the final, shes wearing the same clothes as alien kid, so, I think it was during the concept time they decided to make Baker as a grown up Alien kid

[teal imp]

It was only said to be the case long after he was gone

Hn2 changed drastically since nikita left

[silver vine]

so what?

[teal imp]

Oh my god

[silver vine]

I still think Gerda was created to be grown up Alien kid

you cant change my mind

[teal imp]

My god and you call yourself a lore master

[silver vine]

you think neighbor never went to the museum

[teal imp]

I said we cant be certain

[strange lance]

Gerda was planned back then but she was not planned to be alien girl. And the same clothes do not apply because almost eveery adult female has the same polka dot clothes

[silver vine]

how many times should I say, Im not "a" lore master

there are no multiple lore masters

I invented the lore master title, and it solely belongs to me

[silver vine]

mhmm

[teal imp]

If you are such a lore master why dont tell what did mr peterson did in 1988 september 9th

[silver vine]

again

not "a" lore master

pls

[teal imp]

Stop being so pretentious over such a dumb title

[silver vine]

alright

it was a dumb title which I created as a joke

but

[teal imp]

It doesnt look like you act like its a joke

[silver vine]

I dont like that so many ppl are calling themselves as lore masters and taking them srsly

that makes me furious

[strange lance]

"Lore master" aka, people that just know the lore well

[pliant estuary]

AS has gone off the rails,

[pliant estuary]

Aka people who have read all the books, and hate AS

[shell gull]

We don’t know if stuff In The archives can still be considered canon

[shell gull]

Didn’t know that

[unkempt sleet]

Hello, i read all the books and i dont hate AS

[shell gull]

Lore master is just simply someone who knows the lore, and takes the time to learn more about it, and create theories and debunking things.

People shouldn’t take it seriously

My only problem with it is people expect you to know EVERYTHING and have a good answer

It seems Nicky had some Associative Amnesia.

Anything to add to that?

[silver vine]

well, back in the day, "Lore Master" was my name in this server

the name "Lore Master" would always refer to me

but, not anymore

that makes me sad

[unkempt sleet]

That must be cool, having a nickname that most people knows in a server

[shell gull]

Well, as people get more involved in the lore, they will soon get at your position or higher.

[silver vine]

sadly

I am no longer the lore master

I am the dumb master

[shell gull]

Lol

So with the Manifestation thing in HN it’s safe to say that’s Nikita’s way of P.T.S.D. In This series, which makes sense as WW2 soldiers were called liars and cowards when saying they saw things and such, it seems they are taking that but making them real physical things that were actually there, this can go further with things like sleep paralysis, it often happens with people with some vast thoughts and problems, mostly emotional problems, so these could be more entity’s of manifestation in the HN universe, just the most known are The Guest and The Thing, The Guest likely being one of the greatest, as I’d imagine some Manifestation don’t last a long time, maybe a kid could get mad at they’re parents and one could appear but only last a couple minutes before the kid says sorry, so these things could be really rare to encounter and you would need some crazy emotions, and since they would have to grow they would just be a blob before they die, so you would’ve never encountered it.

Opinions?

[ripe berry]

It's also likely that certain emotions consistently take on certain appearances as the Neighbor's Thing seen at the end of HN1 uses the same model as Nicky's Thing and the Rescue Squad's Thing also uses the same model before it disintergrates from being "killed"

[shell gull]

Right, though this can easily be said as laziness, but to do it twice I think not, this can be said with sleep paralysis, you usually have fear during it, fuss the shadow figures similar to The Thing.

[ripe berry]

So whatever emotion the Guest is (Greed? Grief? Envy? Idk) would consistently take on the same appearance whenever it reappears

[shell gull]

It wouldn’t work with the connections

But Opinions

[ripe berry]

The Thing in SN is proof it's more then laziness as they changed the Neighbor Model but not the Thing Model that appears when you "kill" the Neighbor in SN

[shell gull]

Right

[silver vine]

back in the day in 2021 I used to think that guest was a manifestation of loss

[shell gull]

A manifestation

[silver vine]

and everyone hated that and said that guest is a physical being

[shell gull]

Back in my day the Guest was a Cultist

[silver vine]

prob cuz you werent here back in the day

Im here since 2020

[shell gull]

Right

[ripe berry]

The Rescue Squad can see the Thing and (although this ain't a reliable source) the Guidebook has the forum users can see the Thing

[silver vine]

so, I've seen all sorts of weird theories

grown up Aaron wearing crow costume and rebuilding the house in old town and kidnapping his father for revenge

that was 2020

[ripe berry]

Now we all know manifestations can be real

and physical

[silver vine]

how?

[shell gull]

This makes sense as one of the reasons they took more time planning and stalling was cuz they were scared

[ripe berry]

The Guest is a Manifestation and he interacts with several character

[silver vine]

how do we know hes a manifestation?

[shell gull]

He feeds off agony from both Aaron and Ted

[ripe berry]

(See HNVR Ending for the character interactions thing)

[shell gull]

And gets stronger the more emotions they have

[ripe berry]

(and GN2, and Reset Day)

[ripe berry]

So the Guest is Agony, what is this FNaF?

[silver vine]

yes

[shell gull]

It grows and feeds from Nicky’s fear

[silver vine]

thats one thing they both have in common

[shell gull]

Bruh

[silver vine]

no

thing is fear, yes

[ripe berry]

Grows and feeds off Fear from Nicky, the Forum Users in the Guidebook, The Rescue Squad, and Mr. Peterson

[silver vine]

but we arent 100% sure what the guest is

[shell gull]

No we are kinda

[silver vine]

you are

[shell gull]

The Guest is agony and sadness

[ripe berry]

What I was just putting two and two together (Guest feed off Agony so he is Agony) and decided to jokingly reference FNaF with Agony also playing a big role in it's story

[shell gull]

Ik

I was just like

[silver vine]

lets talk about the robotic mannequins

now that they've made their return

[shell gull]

Ok what about them

[ripe berry]

the FNaF-like Mannequins

[silver vine]

why isnt Peterson using them for so many things he can use them

[ripe berry]

Somehow alive (I mean I remember HE showed the mannequins are alive in weird ways)

[silver vine]

he can use them to guard the house, and yet hes the only one who roams the house

[silver vine]

they're alive, cuz they're robots

artificial intelligence

[shell gull]

Most likely using them as make shift customers for the underground since he can’t get any real ones in his plan.

[ripe berry]

Mr. Peterson building a Artificial Intelligence in 199X only to never publicly release it:

[shell gull]

L

Teperson

[silver vine]

he uses them at the park, why not use them to guard his basement?

[shell gull]

True

But that involves common sense

Something not seen throughout HN

[silver vine]

he knows kids like Nicky and friends are always watching the house and have their eyes on the basement

[ripe berry]

How to avoid possession by a Manifestation: Don't have emotions

[silver vine]

Peterson really made a mistake locking up Aaron

[ripe berry]

Yep, it's just common sense not having common sense in HN

[shell gull]

How to avoid possession by Manifestation: don’t have agony

[silver vine]

it just made him more vulnerable

[shell gull]

Also we aren’t sure any other entity’s can possess

[silver vine]

and more prone to what Peterson fears the most

[shell gull]

It seems The Guest is the only one with crazy demonic powers.

While The Thing only cares to scare the person

[ripe berry]

It's possible others do tho, the Guest can't be the only one or else it wouldn't make sense

[shell gull]

No it’s physical

[shell gull]

True

And we probably haven’t seen all Entity’s

There are tons of emotions

Happiness

Sadness

Anger

[ripe berry]

We only got ones for like 2-3 emotions

[shell gull]

Yup

BRB

[ripe berry]

The chart has too little examples to really say for certain if the the Guest is simply a outlier or if it's not

[ripe berry]

Hell we don't even know if it's only certain types of emotions that create these beings because we simply don't got enough examples on the list

[shell gull]

Back

[ripe berry]

For all we know there could be as little as 2 of these beings and as many as hundreds of these beings for each emotion

[shell gull]

Well kinda, pretty sure it can faze through walls but it does have a physical body.

[shell gull]

Well they definitely have different forms, such as in sleep paralysis they could look different but have primary traits.

[silver vine]

guest is the only one tho

[shell gull]

We could say the same with the Guest.

[silver vine]

hes very importantly to the lore it seems like

[ripe berry]

Guest is the only one we know of

[silver vine]

the thing isnt that important

[shell gull]

Maybe

[silver vine]

but guest is super important to Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

again we only know 2 of the possibly hundreds of them

[silver vine]

exactly

[shell gull]

To the lore it is, it shows how Nicky had as great of emotion as Aaron and Ted, difference is, Aaron and Ted shared one, Nicky didn’t which means his emotions were worse, but he had the capability to fight back while Aaron and Ted couldn’t.

[ripe berry]

Or maybe all of them have this power and the Guest is the only one that actually uses it

We don't know enough about the Manifestations to tell

[silver vine]

everything in Raven Brooks is somehow connected to the guest

well, its back in HND

[shell gull]

Also anyone gonna talk about how Nicky got Associative Amnesia.

[silver vine]

and it takes a different form this time

[shell gull]

Not really, well later on yes.

[silver vine]

thing looks like Peterson in HND

[ripe berry]

The Thing, along with the Guest, can never truly be defeated

[ripe berry]

Since there's no way to prevent emotions

[shell gull]

Like I’ve said, they can have different forms but the same base traits.

[silver vine]

the storms, the park, the weather station, the cult, the disappearances, all are somehow connected to the guest

but the thing isnt

[ripe berry]

You can weaken them, but you can't ever truly destroy them

[shell gull]

The Cult no, the park not really but everything else yea, that’s because Ted and Aaron failed, but Nicky didn’t even when he had greater emotions.

The Guest wanted power

And since it got smarter

It thought of new ways to gain it

[silver vine]

the park's mascot is the guest

[shell gull]

Well yes since they can simply come back if you have the emotions again, it will kill them but they can come back.

[shell gull]

Which can give some symbolism to its form

[silver vine]

the cult also seems to have some sort of connection to the guest

[shell gull]

How?

[ripe berry]

Is now a good time to bring up that with my color symbolism theory Purple is (currently) tied to power and the Guest happens to want power AND has Purple as a major color connected to them

[silver vine]

well, it seems having emotions in dangerous

[ripe berry]

So simply don't have emotions

[shell gull]

Yeah, thing is like I said last time, it’s a rare chance for it to even grow and become a problem, you would need some crazy bad emotions.

Maybe there is an entity for that, maybe it makes you delusional.

[unkempt sleet]

Your happiness becomes a monster that gives you cookies

[ripe berry]

We don't got a full picture of Manifestation so it may only be negative emotions that create entities, we just don't got enough to say for certain

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

It would make sense to explain why none of the few instances of Happiness make mention of seeing any entities

[shell gull]

It seems though in order for Nicky to fix his Associative Amnesia, he had to face The Thing this time many again to remember things.

[shell gull]

Yeah

Time for me to make a Manifestation guide book

[ripe berry]

Time for Manifest

[shell gull]

Working on it rn

[ripe berry]

you know what I find odd? There's no known entity for Anger

[strange lance]

Guest = sadness/depression
The Thing = fear and tramau

I can't wait for the entity of happiness

Also, while The Guest is born from sadness/depression, he himself is not the embodiement of it like how the Thing is made of fear

The Guest is just the bad side of Ted

[ripe berry]

Maybe Entities are manifestations of a particular emotion and adjacent things to said Emotion (Like Trauma is obviously adjacent to Fear because Trauma causes Fear)

[strange lance]

The Guest is just born from negative emotion, he himself is not emotions don't worry

He's just a manipluative evil entity

Think of it like the shadow from fnaf. It's William Afton's evil manifested into it's own entity who then becomes stronger than William himself, and wants power and control

Hn and fnaf are really similar

Too similar

They must be in the same universe

[ripe berry]

No wae

Scott Cawthon = Nikita confimredanhfhf?/!/!/!/!1/11?!11?1?

[shell gull]

Does anyone know why it won’t let me add picture to the doc I’m working on?

[ripe berry]

?

Is it just not letting you paste in images?

[shell gull]

Like when I click on the picture and then click add it won’t work

[shell gull]

Nope

It’s fine though

[ripe berry]

Since we all know the Thing started as just a manifestation specifically of trauma but now is just fear in general

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

We need access

[shell gull]

Here

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eHyfLOZDA2Vf6LTM4BKnbXa1WCPVji_1JyznL1uZ38/edit

[ripe berry]

and now you fixed it

[shell gull]

Already saw typos

[ripe berry]

Me seeing typos but ignoring them:

[shell gull]

They were fixed

[ripe berry]

I'd say so far yes this seems to be correct

I am still wondering why HN hasn't shown what the Anger entity is yet

(if there even is one)

[shell gull]

Probably a full on actual demon

What if it’s Alex?

[ripe berry]

I mean unless it's why the Luck Devices gave luck in the first place which I doubt

[shell gull]

What about embarrassment

[ripe berry]

No clue mate

[shell gull]

Michealhuff confirmed British or Australian

[ripe berry]

no wae

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[ripe berry]

Not even I knew I was British or Australian, I thought I was from the US

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

Gotta go

[ripe berry]

The Manifestations in HN is something that exists

[ripe berry]

cya!

[opal steeple]

instead of haunting you, it cooks you breakfast and comforts you

[tribal talon]

So

I just saw the teaser

Also the vr game question is it cannon to the story???

[ripe berry]

to the Pre-AS Story? Yes

To the AS Story? No

[tribal talon]

Hm any ideas on the lore of the story?

Where it may take place?

Theoretically we know it’s the end of act1 right?

[ripe berry]

I won't explain how we know this since that's Spoilers but HNVR ends right as Act 2 (the real events, not what we play in-game) begins

[tribal talon]

Hm good one

What do you think about the teaser trailer for welcome raven brooks?

[ripe berry]

weird

[tribal talon]

How? Lol

[ripe berry]

They know the fan-base hates Welcome to Raven Brooks and yet they're still making more of it, it's almost like they don't care about the long-time fans anymore

[tribal talon]

Yea true

But what can we do about it?

[ripe berry]

probably nothing

[tribal talon]

I seen a lot of videos saying the game is down

New games come out for the new generation us old generations of gamers since heck pre alpha of hn

[safe charm]

So when does gn 2 take place in the timeline

I’m a little bit confused

[strange lance]

gn2 is after hn2

[ripe berry]

GN2 is the only thing where the timeline placement is not confirmed

It's after HN2 but before Reset Day

But it's unknown if it's before or after Act 3/Finale/HND

[strange lance]

I still say it's before act 3 because I don't know why the Guest would wait that long to do stuff

[ripe berry]

it's implied to be before Act 3, but there's no concrete proof

[safe charm]

Ok thanks

[shell gull]

Act 3 is sometime after Reset Day

Since there’s no Time Loop

Shown there

Or other stuff

But since HND was a plot hole fix

Probably not the case

[teal imp]

actually

act 3 is in like 2017 or 2015

I dont remember the exact date

whiles its not directly stated RD is in 2021

cause they mention and even that happens in a specific year and then mention how many years passed from it

I dont recall which event specifically

[shell gull]

There was no actual date confirmation, they implied it was present day, but they meant it in technology and such.

[teal imp]

im pretty sure act 3 was stated

and rd is indirectly confirmed with the mentions of past events

[shell gull]

Nope

By the Devs once

But they said it was false

After lore changes

[shell gull]

Not really

It’s neither on both sides

And since the House being burned down is canon

Act 3 is after RD

And whatever the rest of that trilogy was

But Nicky would have a part in the trilogy

[stiff spire]

I just realized that in GN2 I think the girls name was Pris I think unless that was her sister but she kept imagining that she still had her dog with her but in reality her dog died that's probably one of the most darkest moments in HN book lore but there's a bunch too I feel bad for the girl

her dogs name was flan

[shell gull]

Yeah Regina was just imagining things, The Guest tried to use that to manipulate her, but it failed.

[lethal knoll]

So can someone explain the lore of the vr game. I literally don't understand it lol

Like dm me because spoilers

[shell gull]

Uhh sure

[lethal knoll]

Ty

Do I have dms open?

[shell gull]

Yeah I sent you it

[strange lance]

Thanks to the lovely HE demo files, I can now confirm that the kids do indeed escape the sandbox via rocket ship

also confirms that no HE's story has not been infected by the AS

[mighty ember]

YESSSS

[shell gull]

So Canon lore continues

[silver vine]

they're still making it cuz they already made everything before the community started hating it

[silver vine]

no

Reset Day is after act 3

[silver vine]

time loops werent always there in Raven Brooks

Nikita said that act 3 takes place in 2017

in reset day, the workers say that its been 25 years since the park has been covered in concrete, and it was covered in concrete in 1996 by Earthpro

1996 + 25 years = 2021

the time loops begin only 4 years after act 3

thats why there is no time loops in act 3 and HND

[teal imp]

they are just wasting money at this point

what?

[teal imp]

its still part of book lore

AS didnt affect it

yes?

why wouldnt it be

the only non canon hn game is hn2

there is?

neighbor want time travel bring family back

oh no kids

kids suck at building cars

mr peterson banish them to sandbox dimension

kids escape

game end

from what I can tell

[ripe berry]

Most of the game is through the warped perspective of the kids

So it makes sense not everything makes sense

[safe charm]

So the canon games is hn 1 secret neighbor and hide and seek right?

With hn 2 being an au

As of now

[ripe berry]

Canon games are HN1, HNHS, SN, HE, HNVR, and HND.

[safe charm]

Oh ok

[ripe berry]

The way I view it some aspects of HN2 CAN be considered canon, there is very little preventing it from being canon

[teal imp]

[silver vine]

dude, it has so much story

you just didnt play the game

[silver vine]

aspects like Quentin arriving, police arriving, Mr.Peterson hiding in the museum can still be considered canon

cuz we know that those aspects were part of old lore

[ripe berry]

[stiff spire]

this was a cool scene in GN2

guest transformation

[teal imp]

old lore guest my beloved

the AS will ruin him

[fiery otter]

look! depkis's old profile picture

[safe charm]

Yea he’s a savage

In the comics

[snow mauve]

But turned it purple

[fiery otter]

it looks cooler purple

[shell gull]

Old HN2 included

[ripe berry]

yep

[strange lance]

Alright I've updated my timeline

wrote as much as I could about the original hn2 as I could

[teal imp]

the hn2 part?

[strange lance]

yeah

[thorn rover]

I have theory:
In newest Secret Neighbor update teaser, they said that the kids every night were trying to free neighbors child from the basement, and that means that the kids are don't saving Nicky from basement, but Aaron, so I think SN is before act 1, and next class for kids is going to be Nicky

[strange lance]

those are just for skits

the kids didn't actually break in every night

[thorn rover]

i was thinking about that too

[shell gull]

That was just a skit for the video, SN isn’t real and is instead the kids imagination of a plan, while facing there fears to break in.

[ripe berry]

Could THIS be what the change in Lore was referring to instead of being AS Lore?

[shell gull]

No it was just for a skit

[ripe berry]

I mean I actually hope so so we don't have to label current SN as Non-canon

[shell gull]

Well it isn’t, and wait, SN is changed to AH?

[strange lance]

They're adding a new kid class because of the new lore

so the AS

[ripe berry]

Ozvard mentioned a Lore Change is why there's a new Kid coming

[strange lance]

SN got the infection

rest in pieces

[ripe berry]

Or not directly stated a Lore Change but it kinda has to be

#secret-neighbor message

[strange lance]

at least in HE they finally fulfilled their life long dreaming of using a rocket

[ripe berry]

yep

[strange lance]

these kids have been through so much it's unbelievable

[shell gull]

Noooooo

[ripe berry]

I'm only hoping SN is now before Act 1 so the Lore Change is not AS Lore

[strange lance]

thanks to hnvr we now know that the "dream world" (aka guest world) is just the nest from gn2, so we got that connection.

[shell gull]

Yeah I guess

[shell gull]

I forgot the “Dream World” stuff

[ripe berry]

Alright

(Wait I forgot the Dream World stuff too)

[strange lance]

in hnvr, the weird dream levels

with all the wacky stuff

that's the nest

[shell gull]

Ohhhhh

[ripe berry]

alright makes sense

[strange lance]

they even enter it the same way Regina does

[shell gull]

Huh, so the kids just end up in the nest somehow

[shell gull]

Really? Send vid

[strange lance]

they go through random holes/doors and then they're just in it

[shell gull]

Hmm

Alright then

[strange lance]

like delroy in the tutorial enters a normal door and then boom nest

[shell gull]

Good enough for me

[shell gull]

Weird, so the Nest isn’t just some dark red toned place.

[ripe berry]

Also the fact that Guest World is the Nest makes me wonder how long they've been planning the Guest to be what it is now

[shell gull]

It’s whatever The Guest wants

[strange lance]

since hn2 alphas most likely, which is when hnvr started to be made

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Since Guest World existed since around HN2A1

(As Behavior and asset Names suggests)

[strange lance]

also if you did not know, hnvr was originally hn2 vr as labelled in the files

[shell gull]

Could we consider HN2 demo apart of the Nest then?

It has some weird stuff in it

Like floating stuff

[strange lance]

the nest is like, in the void

[ripe berry]

Time to throw that theory into more Crackpot theories

[shell gull]

Oh

Well

It’s whatever the Guest wants

[strange lance]

in gn2 the nest is made of rock and walls in a void with ted's stuff strewn about, and in hnvr it's also in the void with ted's stuff strewn about

[shell gull]

Hm

[teal imp]

wait that was the nest???

[shell gull]

The Guests conscious

[teal imp]

I dont buy it

[shell gull]

?

[teal imp]

how is delroy entering a random weird dream hallway part of the nest?

seems more likely to be just imagination

[shell gull]

Oh maybe because The Guest is a literal Entity of manifestation with demonic powers.

[strange lance]

again delroy enters the nest just like regina does. they go through random entryways and then are suddenly in a void like place with stuff from ted's past everywhere

[ripe berry]

The Guest has also been a Manifestation Entity since around the time of the HN2 Alphas because that's how long Guest World (which is what the Dream World in HNVR is referred to as in the files) has been known to exist

[strange lance]

it is the nest

[ripe berry]

It's just the exact appearance is different

[shell gull]

I don’t remember seeing things of Teds around the nest in GN2?

[shell gull]

Oh nvm

Honestly I liked the dark red tone more

They should’ve implemented

That

It gives me upside down vibes

So The Guest is REALLY obsessed with Ted

[strange lance]

Also no the nest isn't in the guest's mind or whatever, this is just where he keeps things from people

mostly ted's

but regina's photo with flan is also there

[shell gull]

Oh so it’s literally a pocket dimension

[strange lance]

yes

it kind of is like the upside down

with random gates

[shell gull]

The Guest consciousness is just used for attaching itself to people huh

So It’s just obsessed with stealing stuff from Ted, amazing.

Just imagine seeing a bird man just walk in your house and grab your TV and then run into a hole into a whole new damn dimension

Can’t have shit in RB…literally

[strange lance]

Guest is born from ted's emotion, guest takes on form of it's own via park mascot, guest manipulates people and also takes things people are ungrateful for and puts them in his own little dimension the nest, guest manipulates Aaron to get to ted and forms a connection with him, guest takes Aaron away and most likely kills him as ted did not deserve him, guest manipulates ted to do things he doesn't really want to do, guest possesses ted when ted tries doing the right thing. Full guest lore

and alex said guest lore was complicated smh

[shell gull]

Well, the Guest is formed from both Aaron and Ted, as it has effect from Aaron, and also first appears in the underground which could further be said it appeared from Aaron, since it’s type of Manifestation usually appears from sadness, which Aaron has greatly and ETC.

[strange lance]

except the guest already existed back in HE, and took the form of the mascot in HE, so it was from ted.

[shell gull]

Ahhh

[strange lance]

I'm assuming after Ted found out he couldn't go back to save his family, that's when the guest was born

[teal imp]

tbh the only retcon I dont mind is the Forest protectors being back

having them be enemies in a hn game would be cool

having them restricted to only the books might be kind of lame

[shell gull]

Ahh, that works, he must’ve been really sad.

[teal imp]

unless they do a prequel

[ripe berry]

The citizens in Raven Brooks watching as a Raven Man they only knew from childhood rumors about something completely different breaks into their home and takes their entire life savings away because "you don't deserve it":

[strange lance]

if the vandal that did this never covered up the eyes we would have guest with button eyes

[shell gull]

“Wh- why- why is there big bird on my porch” opens front door “Hello I’m here to talk about you cars warranty it’s overdue therefore you don’t deserve it so I’ll be taking it” continues to grab car and jump into a ominous red flowing hole in the ground

[ripe berry]

imagine

[ripe berry]

The Guest Lore:

[shell gull]

Bruh, also that might mean Entities of Sadness/depression could take on any form.

And only entities of Trauma and Fear can’t, and have to follow the base things.

[strange lance]

well considering he was most likely born in the park, that's probably the first thing he saw

imagine if he saw like, a clown first

clown guest

[shell gull]

True also IT not He, IT.

[ripe berry]

No the Trauma/Fear entity also takes on forms of thing that people fear

[shell gull]

Also I’m pretty sure that type of entity they choose there form they stick with it, so if he saw a clown it would’ve been stuck looking like that.

Only way to change is to get stronger and build up from that form

[ripe berry]

As we see it take on different forms of Ted in SN and (if SN ain't now AS Lore) even the Guest

[shell gull]

So if It was a clown

[strange lance]

the guest is referred to as he in the books

[shell gull]

In RD we would’ve had a pennywise guest

[shell gull]

Oh shoot never knew

[ripe berry]

Ted was never a Butcher, Ted was never a Ghost, it's just taking the kid's fears and modifying Ted, their main fear) to fit in with their other fears

[shell gull]

Right, but follow the base things.

[shell gull]

Right

[teal imp]

RB citizen: damn I dont like how this wall looks
Guest:

[ripe berry]

We just never see it in a form other then Ted and it's base form because he haven't seen it from the perspective of beings that don't have a fear of Mr. Peterson

[shell gull]

The Guest really be saying:

https://tenor.com/view/character-select-player-select-mario-kart-nintendo64-yoshi-gif-18229271

Time to update the doc

[ripe berry]

and even then the Base Form for the Thing in these games was likely based partly off of Ted's Mannequins

Hell the Thing also seems to have it's own world

[teal imp]

RB citizen: Hmm the roof of my house might need some repairs I dont like how it looks
Guest:

https://tenor.com/view/demolition-gif-20801919

[thorn rover]

Like in stranger things

[ripe berry]

After all notice the similarities between Guest World and the Thing Boss Fight Area in HN1 in that they both rest in Blank Voids and are both tied to Dream-like things

[teal imp]

the diffrence is that the guest world looks better

[strange lance]

with the thing it's all in your head

with the nest it's real

[shell gull]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eHyfLOZDA2Vf6LTM4BKnbXa1WCPVji_1JyznL1uZ38/edit

[ripe berry]

I'm noting this down

[hazy slate]

Mr Otto:

https://tenor.com/view/injustice-red-hood-finally-some-big-game-big-game-hunting-gif-23681706

[shell gull]

That could be the case, but I’d imagine it’s a pocket dimension in the persons head.

[strange lance]

The Thing can't do much in the real world besides just taunt you

it's mostly a mind guy

[teal imp]

hmm I wonder how the guest would react to a bullet?

[ripe berry]

I like how we just found out both of the Manifestations can create entire worlds, but the Thing mainly is stuck in your head while the Guest somehow is in another plane of reality to be real

[teal imp]

I dont even think the thing is real tbh

just some hallucination

[shell gull]

If it could talk: “your a loser, your pathetic, imagine getting locked in a basement for 2 months couldn’t be me, skill issue” proceeds to hit the default dance

[hazy slate]

I'm noticing alot of HNVR spoilers here

is it safe to talk about now?

[shell gull]

No

We ain’t spoiling

That’s story

Not lore

[ripe berry]

We're using the bits that are safe enough to talk about that we don't get sent to Guest World

[shell gull]

I could just imagine the Guest going:

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-vegeta-burn-shadow-realm-gif-14215552

[teal imp]

does this mean child nicky is already really tall? its weird seeing his cutout be way taller than mya and Aaron (the image is out of context and barely spoils anything but im still tagging it just incase)

wait doesnt Nicky say in the books that Aaron is taller than him?

im confused

[shell gull]

If This is how the guest is then you literally can NOT have shit in RB

[shell gull]

Yeah

That’s just card board

[ripe berry]

Hell the guidebook despite it's inconsistencies labels Child Nicky as 4'11" (Not 4'4" Michael 🤦‍♂️ ) which fits with that

[teal imp]

theres a guidebook?

[shell gull]

Wth, dang Nicky is short.

[strange lance]

do not read

[shell gull]

For a teen

[ripe berry]

We don't usually talk about the Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Guide to Hello Neighbor

[teal imp]

thats only child nicky

adult nicky is really tall

[pale urchin]

Weird, especially how hes 13 at that time

[teal imp]

taller than mr peterson even (if you compare the models)

[ripe berry]

Mistyped it was 4'11"

with Book Aaron being about 5'1" if I remember right

[ripe berry]

mistyped

[thorn rover]

After HN VR we know that HN 2 is after act 2 if I understand correctly, is it right?

[shell gull]

True

[ripe berry]

We especially don't talk about this

[strange lance]

hnvr's ending is both the intro and ending of act 2, then hn2 would've happened

[shell gull]

One problem, the fact Nicky’s nose grew.

[teal imp]

this looks so bad

[teal imp]

its weird how shockingly short the real act 2 is

[shell gull]

Nah it’s a 10/10|| (let my family free)||

[strange lance]

||Nicky wakes up, sees aaron get taken, escapes||

the end

[shell gull]

Lol

[strange lance]

also police arrives happenes like immediately after the kids all escape

[teal imp]

tag this is actually a spoiler now

[shell gull]

Makes sense

[ripe berry]

Whatever this is I bet it's 10x better then the Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Guide to Hello Neighbor

[teal imp]

tbh if hn2 had nicky escape in the intro then the story would make more sense

[shell gull]

Fax ||(please let them free)||

[ripe berry]

because it probably at least actually get's Ted's Act 1 House Layout right

[hazy slate]

technically, it got it before the new kid class was announced, it caught the infection when they changes maritza's cheek streaks

[teal imp]

I find it funny how there is like 5 ongoing "fix lore" suggestions in #1047329656401035284 lol

[toxic mist]

Double it and give it to the next person (the voices are getting louder)

[teal imp]

all of them either have atleast 10 or 20

[shell gull]

Lol

[teal imp]

I hope this amount of support does something

[strange lance]

do you really expect egs to change the whole story back to how it originally was

and remake multiple cutscenes

and scrap the stuff they're already working on

that's too much work

they'd basically be remaking the whole game

just fixing the Aaron thing would not be enough to make it "old lore"

[teal imp]

I dont care about that

I just want games to tie into eachother at the very least

[strange lance]

even if they did that, it still would not connect lmao

for hn2 to really connect it needs to be completely redone

this is not happening

[shell gull]

All they have to do, is get rid of Archives, get rid of Aaron, add the Guest as something for the end parts of the game, done.

And maybe remake archives

[strange lance]

and make the town run down

[teal imp]

archives?

[wicked heath]

Kill aaron

[strange lance]

the dumb website

[shell gull]

They don’t have to do that

[wicked heath]

[shell gull]

This is after Act 2 don’t forget

[teal imp]

in our suggestions its right after act 2 starts

and having nicky escape

as the start

[shell gull]

“Yes master”

-Anakin

[teal imp]

Im still trying to hold out hope for hn2

[ripe berry]

Aaron, (possibly) Trinity, (Most likely) Ted, (Possibly) Piper's Mom, and (Possibly) Enzo, the 5 characters the Guest has killed

[hazy slate]

they don't really need to do this

[teal imp]

dont think they would just kill off enzo

[shell gull]

Mya?

[ripe berry]

woops typed too fast again

[strange lance]

so what I'm getting from all this, you guys just want it to connect to the games and not the entire lore, which is stupid

what's the point of making hn2 just..half canon

[shell gull]

There probably in the Nest, Aaron was only to make it easier to win over Ted and to have a higher chance of not weakening.

[teal imp]

we are asking for the bare minimum

[strange lance]

you will NOT get that

believe me

you are expecting way too much

and you're forgetting

Alex is still

[ripe berry]

I almost forgot I wasn't factoring in New Lore shit in the list while typing it

[strange lance]

why the hell would be allow hn2's "connection" to the AS be broken

[teal imp]

all im asking is to make it to connect somewhat to hnvr (it wont fully remove AS influence which sucks)

seriously alex is just dumb

he is actively making the entire community angry at him

[hazy slate]

I want it to connect to all 3 lores

[strange lance]

It's evident that Alex has not and will not change about the way he is about the AS

so why would he allow hn2 to change

[hazy slate]

I know that sounds impossible but believe me, me and michael have went crazy.

[teal imp]

tbh I doubt he cares for hn2 all that much considering the state he let it release in

[shell gull]

That’s dumb

[teal imp]

also patch 8 added stuff from the books

[ripe berry]

Crackpot Theory moment

[strange lance]

you mean character photos

[teal imp]

ye]

[strange lance]

that's not really

book lore

those are just photos

[ripe berry]

Photos are not enough to say Book Lore

[teal imp]

maritza being friends with mya is a huge contradiction to the AS

[strange lance]

Hn2 itself contradicts the AS

it does not make sense

yet to alex it does

they will not change anything

[teal imp]

by this logic removing Aaron wouldnt change anything right?

I truly believe he would be dumb enough to let it slip

[strange lance]

also again they're already making more content for the story expansion

[teal imp]

I doubt it includes Aaron because he wants to be with ted now???

like they literally cant do anything with Aaron now

[strange lance]

doesn't matter

they're still making new stuff

[teal imp]

that may not include Aaron and in that case they wont have to change it

[strange lance]

changing the whole story now would be a big f you to the people who made all the new stuff

you are way too hopeful dude

[teal imp]

also seeing how fg has bassically no story

I doubt the content expansion is any good

[shell gull]

Here’s the thing, they brought back Old Lore stuff and even revamped the photos:

[strange lance]

and they made them uglier

also these are 100% gonna be changed

[teal imp]

this contradicts the AS

[strange lance]

considering old Maritza is there

[safe charm]

It seems to me old lore is coming back

[ripe berry]

and yet Maritza is still somehow Older Lore appearance

[teal imp]

seems like an oversight

[ripe berry]

SN Contradicts the AS due to a version of this exact photo

same with HE

[shell gull]

True, except for Diane, she still has that mother look.

[teal imp]

which alex says is AS lore (it isnt)

[shell gull]

Lol

[teal imp]

tbh it might just be alex is too dumb to realise the changes we are asking for will disconnect hn2 away from the AS

[strange lance]

anyway if you honestly, truly believe they are gonna change hn2 to go back to the original lore, you just have blind hope. Remember what game this is

remember who is watching over it

[teal imp]

also I doubt alex actually cares about hn2 because:

1. He let it release in this state
2. He didnt check the lore
3. He has only been talking about the AS and nothing else

[strange lance]

Alex claims he knew nothing about hn2 even tho he completely did

he knew what he did

he knew what alexus did

[teal imp]

alex is just a scumbag

[strange lance]

yes he is

[teal imp]

like the community hates the AS

why does he continue??

[strange lance]

because he's stupid

[teal imp]

he is only making more people quit caring

how is this idiot a CEO

[strange lance]

If I were you I would just forget the hn2 we have exists. It is not worth crying over every single freaking day

[shell gull]

One reason, kids, most of all of HN community is kids who haven’t read the books and follow dumb YouTuber theories, so Alex exploits that to make a Cartoon show with dumb jokes, just for some YouTube Monetisation.

[strange lance]

it's not worth the hope

[teal imp]

god I wish nikita just got to finish his version of hn2

why was he removed

this is just dumb

[strange lance]

too bad he had to take a "break"

[ripe berry]

Nikita looked like he was going to cry

[strange lance]

in what

[teal imp]

Alex needs to take a "break"

[teal imp]

the streams

[strange lance]

Alex should go on vacation

[ripe berry]

He sure as hell ain't taking no ordinary break

[strange lance]

like alexus

[teal imp]

he does not sound or look happy at all in the streams

[shell gull]

All I want, my dream, is to have Nikita come back as a lead director for Games and such, and for Carly to be the writer for the Games and to continue the Books.

[teal imp]

anyway mouse I have my doubts but at least its worth a shot right?

alex should have just kept his hands of hn and let nikita and carly do their thing

[shell gull]

Funny thing is, in one of the QnA streams Nikita says he enjoyed the idea of the Cartoon, and that he wished it followed the tone of the Books and Story, too bad Alex got in the way.

[wicked heath]

Nah! We have phones and neighbor acts like *** for half of the time

And kids are tortured as hell

[pale urchin]

Watch the mods dm you for wishing a bankruptcy upon the company

I did it before, and one of the mods dm me about it

[shell gull]

Another thing, is that he always wanted a Show, and that his dream writer was the Novel Writers and Book writers, A.K.A. people like Carly.

[pale urchin]

Hurts how his dreams were ripped apart

[shell gull]

Sadly it ends up with trash store writers and for some reason Alex

[shell gull]

Yeah, I’m unsure of this but apparently he was very quiet about Hello Neighbor after recent things, which shows how he is slowly wishing to not be apart of this mess.

[pale urchin]

Why doesn't he create a new IP?

And probably get the chance to make his own things that he planned before

Tbh, it is Nikita's fault for taking a whole break from the franchise

[wicked heath]

It wouldn’t surprise me anymore to see Ted having a lightsaber fight with a child

[pale urchin]

Why would he?

He would do a backflip too

[wicked heath]

Idk but he would

[pale urchin]

Right

[wicked heath]

Did any of you noticed Maritza in AS said “Why would he be watching Mom and Dad”

Mom and Dad…

[teal imp]

ew mom

that mom should be dead

Remember

this is canon

also canon

[shell gull]

There’s no point, he just wants his own ideas to come up with, and he’s successful and doesn’t want to get into that stuff.

[pale urchin]

Well, if he doesn't, the CEO might be able to completely affect his dreams even more, or even crushing them down to the throat

[stiff spire]

there's one unanswered question I just thought of rn

it's probably not important to the lore but in the ending of HN1 Nicky was unpacking

and his suitcase opened but it never showed what he was looking at

its probably nothing but I wonder what he was staring at

[ripe berry]

The Suitcase is like the FNaF 4 Box of HN

We don't know what's in there but for all we know it could be the most important thing in the franchise

[pale urchin]

I'm guessing they were nicky's clothing, but the devs rushed through the details for the deadline, and didn't have time to show any further details of what Nicky was looking at his suitcase

[stiff spire]

maybe what I'm probably thinking though is he was looking at something memorable like his family photo but they saved that for later

[pale urchin]

I mean, the memory photo was already there in his old house

So idk what else could've been in the suitcase

But 1 thing that always wonders me is how he decided to take an apple and added it in the suitcase

And even till this day, im still in full of wonders on what he really need it other than to eat it

I mean, the apple could've been rotten by the time he came back to his old house

[pliant estuary]

Theory, In HNVR the guest takes Aaron away, causing a lot of problems with HN2, as Aaron is in that game, just a random theory but even though SN isn't cannon, the shadow manifest transforms himself into MR Peterson. Is it to much of a stretch to assume the guest took Aaron away and took form to look like him

[pliant estuary]

notice how Aaron in HN2 has black around his eyes, similar to the neighbor in SN

also the guest gave Aaron the key to let Nicky out at the end of Search and Rescue, Idk why but it could have been the guest who broke the glass to distract ted in act 2 end

because why else would he help unlock Nicky's cage other than to get him home

when he noticed ted was about to get him, he interfered

[shy kindle]

Sooo, the hnvr just dropped a lot of lore?

He was

At least in H&S

[safe charm]

Well we need to go to spoiler section

If you wanna know

[shy kindle]

Right now - no. I just wanted to ask, is there a lot of new lore?

[safe charm]

Yes

[strong sparrow]

So if the guest is the neighbor's dad, why does he hate his son so much? What did ted do to him? Is there a reason he wants to crash the neighbor's car and sacrifice his kids? Is this explained in the books, I don't know the lore properly

[safe charm]

What are you talking about lmao

[silver vine]

no we dont have to

Ozvard said that everything in SN is according to canon when I asked him about the new kid class

[silver vine]

how can it be before act 1 tho?

their literal goal of the game is to rescue Nicky

not Aaron

they dont care about Aaron

[oblique drum]

❔

the guest is NOT the neighbors dad

and never was

where did that even come from

[silver vine]

since we saw HNVR guest plushie in SN 2020 Christmas trailer, I think thats when HNVR started development

[oblique drum]

thats not the same model

[ripe berry]

yeah, but which canon?

Did he specify Pre-AS Lore or AS Lore

You forget the word canon simply means it exists in A Lore, if they don't outright say what lore they're using we can't say that the word canon proves it's still canon to non-AS Lore

It means it exists in one of the two Hello Neighbor Lores

[silver vine]

bro forgot that this is a ramp and not flat floor

[teal imp]

what?

dude

its still too tall

[ripe berry]

(he didn't specify therefore my message about making SN non-canon still applies as it meant canon to non-AS Lore, something which hasn't been stated)

[silver vine]

they killed off Trinity

what would stop them from killing Enzo

[teal imp]

they killed off one rescue squad member

wouldnt that be enough?

also he is missing

it would really be unsatisfying to just for him to be dead

[silver vine]

because everything is already made

they already invested money of the stupid cartoon

[silver vine]

exactly, tell them man

[teal imp]

only half of it

arent there meant to be like 20+ episodes?

from what I know they only have the story up to 12

[silver vine]

yes, I am part of Nikita's server, and its a strict rule there to not talk about HN

[teal imp]

its worth a shot

[unkempt sleet]

In pretty sure it was 16 or 18 episodes
Not 20+

[silver vine]

as a member of his server, I can confirm that Nikita DOES NOT want to talk about HN

at all, anymore

[teal imp]

feels bad man

but I get why

[silver vine]

SN isnt canon? excuse me?

[teal imp]

mr dumb master

I dont think the neighbor emoting after killing bagger is canon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1109569063656620032/dance.gif

[opal steeple]

if only it was 😔

[teal imp]

wait no I forgot about hnvr

[unkempt sleet]

SN is just a planning phase of the breaking in, or thats what i think it as

[teal imp]

the lobby is canon

the rest is not

[unkempt sleet]

The costumes, emotes and lots of things are just gameplay aspects, not lore aspects

[strong sparrow]

I'm asking a question about the lore lmao

[safe charm]

Well guest is not mr Peterson dad

Lmao

[strong sparrow]

He is though

[safe charm]

What?!

[strong sparrow]

Yeah

[safe charm]

Proof

Show

[strong sparrow]

It's on Alex's tumblr, I can't show it right now because I have no internet

[silver vine]

guest is not hid dad?

[teal imp]

you have got to be joking

theres no way

if they use this in AS and hn2 I will genuinely loose all hope in this franchise

[ripe berry]

Guest being Roger Peterson?

[safe charm]

It cant be true

Lol

That would feel weird

[teal imp]

does alex even have a tumblr?

[ripe berry]

Sir does anyone have AlexN's Tumblr Account

[silver vine]

what is tumblr

[teal imp]

this shit cant be real

[silver vine]

I know only tumbler

[opal steeple]

i cant find his tumblr

[silver vine]

Im holding one rn

[teal imp]

this has to be cap

[opal steeple]

even if he did say that it'd probably only be for the AS universe

[karmic ravine]

Nicky's dad is mr peterson %100 true NOT FAKE!!!11!1!!

[ripe berry]

Can't wait for the cursed family tree!

[opal steeple]

quentin is the YOUNG NEIGHBOR!!

[safe charm]

Is it true

[silver vine]

Idk

[safe charm]

Is guest mr Peterson dad now

[silver vine]

if it is, hes prob joking

[karmic ravine]

remember when we all thought mr peterson was the guest💀

[silver vine]

because he was

at many points

in time

[ripe berry]

Aaron/Nicky/Roger Peterson/Guest>Quentin/Theodore>Aaron/Nicky/Roger Peterson/Guest when?

[safe charm]

Eeh

I hope its not true

[ripe berry]

Remember when we thought Aaron was the Guest

[karmic ravine]

oh god no..

dont get me started with that

nightmares

[opal steeple]

guys, aaron is very clearly the lawnmower from the alphas.

[teal imp]

damn the guest is ruthless

[ripe berry]

Guys Aaron is clearly Young Neighbor

[karmic ravine]

and nicky is the glitch garbage can in the alphas

[teal imp]

no thats Quentin

[karmic ravine]

no thats no

[ripe berry]

I mean look at all these instances of them in the same pose (image from Freeze_Zane)

[karmic ravine]

father like son.

[opal steeple]

what is that aaron carrying the bag image from

ive never seen that

[karmic ravine]

hide and seek achevement

[opal steeple]

ah okay

[karmic ravine]

hello neighbor hide and & seek

[ripe berry]

HN1 Beta 3 Flashbacks

Remember when Nicky was Mr. Peterson's Son

[karmic ravine]

.

[ripe berry]

Beta 3 was wild bro

[karmic ravine]

i would glady smash that theory into the ground with dianes grave

[ripe berry]

It's only the case in the beta 3

[viscid knot]

🤔

[ripe berry]

and yet somehow the theory persisted until after AS Pilot dropped because I remember seeing a shit video made by a 7 year old(probably) where they used that theory of Nicky being the Neighbor's Son