lore-discussion

[crude dew]

Theodore doesn't talk to crows, you know

Theodore doesn't give a shit about the rest of the town, you know

[strange lance]

[teal imp]

hnvr umm

[strange lance]

It makes sense in hnvr

Lol

That's a direct prequel to old hn2

It'll make sense then

[teal imp]

mayak hnvr will explain everything

[crude dew]

the more you almost spoil HNVR, the more I hate it every day, I hope you know that.,

[teal imp]

anyway

[crude dew]

by the time it releases, I'll set the fire and the chainsaw

y'all be, like
puhuhuhuh I know you don't u suck

[strange lance]

Huh

[teal imp]

what

[crude dew]

I'm gonna say it
the lore is bad and messed up
end of story

[strange lance]

Huh

[teal imp]

huh

[strange lance]

Of which continuity

The AS or the original canon one

[crude dew]

we can chew the same bone over and over again, but it won't get us further in life

[teal imp]

what

anyway hnvr looking forward to it man

[strange lance]

It's really not that hard to put the lore together, you just need to use your head

And also realize the AS means nothing

[teal imp]

I cant wait to analyse it frame by frame

[strange lance]

Same!

[teal imp]

so true

[crude dew]

then why didn't people put the PREVIOUS storylines together huh
which were literally put into the game
and everyone's like
uhhhhh old story bad

[teal imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1105470718302494741/Screen_Recording_20230509_072415_YouTube.mp4

😩

vr peterson 👌

[strange lance]

Because we didn't have the full thing at the time

But we do now

All we are missing is the original HN2

That's it

But with the new info we have we can put together how it would've gone

[teal imp]

and whatever happens after gn2

[crude dew]

bro idc
I'm done
I'm done with this, storylines changing weekly

[strange lance]

Oh well

[teal imp]

idk man I liked that gn2 opened the door by forcing new antagonists to take the spotlight

also I was getting tired of the moustache peterson guy

[strange lance]

Possession is cool. It's all a metaphor for Ted giving up, and letting the bad (the guest) take over

If you actually pay attention to small details it shows you this stuff

[teal imp]

also in act 3 his house being burnt made it clear that he wasnt in the picture anymore

or that something really bad happend to him

...

oh god

what have we done

[crude dew]

look
I have 3+ years of research in my favorite character's personality, so I know what I know. and as I see, I know much more than the average fans.
and I'm done with arguments, entirely
possession is NOT cool, forcing it on people as an EXCUSE, thus entirely ignoring trauma, depression and coping, is also not cool. it is a weak excuse actually.

I want to enjoy my last ever fandom the way I want to, until I can, I literally don't care about a weekly changing lore by some random people who I'll never ever talk to, people who replaced the only person, who knew what's going on in HN, because he created it.
I'm aware they'll misread and explain the actual obvious HN1 storyline elements in different way in the remake, and those will replace the LOGICAL story and slowly everything that Nikita created.
I don't care, it's their problem, I'm sticking with realism. canon doesn't matter at all anymore, and everyone knows it deep inside.
end of story.

[hazy slate]

what if guest possession requires a certain amount of trauma in the first place?

[strange lance]

The Guest only appears to people when they are at their lowest, and then manipulate them

This is how he works

He is not some guy in a costume anymore

He is more than thay

Sorry Remi but this is what Nikita intended, he was still in charge of the story at the time these were made.

You can just continue to pretend he's still Ted in a suit if that's what you prefer

But this is what the Guest is

And has been

Since HG was scrapped

You just have to accept it

Also you may have been with this franchise longer but I know just as much as you

When it comes to this franchise's story

The possession stuff isn't as simple as just possession spooky, but since you refuse to look deeper that's all you see it as

Anyway

Nicky has a nice backyard

[hazy slate]

I've always wanted that slide thing as a kid

but could never afford one

[strange lance]

Same

Would you rather go up against The Thing or The Guest

[hazy slate]

The thing is fear, so it'd be wayyy easier to deal with then the guest

the guest can physically harm you

the thing can only effect your emotions and your mental state

what about you mouse?

[teal imp]

I only got one when I was too old to enjoy it

I cant even fit

at least my sister can enjoy it

[hazy slate]

sad

I miss the tunnel slide in my local park

[teal imp]

🤓

no he doesnt

[strange lance]

Erm

So true that backyard is amazing

He even has a path leading to...the broken fence

That makes sense

Yeah

[teal imp]

🧠

[strange lance]

I guess The Thing too, but the cool part is we don't really know what would happen if The Thing fully takes over you with fear, because Nicky beats him before that happens

Which interests me

So do all emotions that are strong enough just spawn these weird entities. What happens if I get overly happy

[teal imp]

the thing is a stupid shadow guy

[strange lance]

D:

He was underutilized

I wish he had more time

[teal imp]

I bet I can beat him by telling him a "your mom" joke

[strange lance]

Well it depends on your fear

Some people can't beat their fears

[teal imp]

nicky was kidnapped and was able to beat him easily

[strange lance]

And let it consume them

[teal imp]

I was not

its going to be way easier than nicky

if I did have to

[strange lance]

What's your biggest fear

[teal imp]

I uhh

dont know

[strange lance]

I have a fear of falling

[teal imp]

things scare me but I dont know what in particular

[strange lance]

Not heights, just falling

Man I would not be good if I was Lucy

Flying like that

I mean I'd also be dead

[teal imp]

Mouse...

[strange lance]

But still

[teal imp]

you would be dead

[strange lance]

But I will come back

Stronger

[teal imp]

only to be summoned by your friends

[thin wadi]

[shell gull]

I’m glad Lucy exists or actually has a purpose again

[pale urchin]

I have a fear of heights

[teal imp]

I have a fear of false marketing

[crude dew]

then that sounds like being akumatized in Miraculous ladybug 😐

[teal imp]

what?

[short tide]

Hi

i have problem

I got it from Pc xbox pass

[strange lance]

Villain hawkmoth sends out evil butterflies (akumas) to akumatize (possess) people who are depressed or angry and manipluate them into thinking what they're doing is good

Minus the akumas that is just the Guest lmao

[teal imp]

jesse

what the hell are you talking about?

[strange lance]

Erm I just explained Miraculous Ladybug

[snow mauve]

Bug lady

[teal imp]

is that a new hn antagonist???

[snow mauve]

yeeee

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-surprised-jslutty-black-gif-27419659

[unkempt sleet]

I come to the Lore chat and the first thing i see is an explanation of Hawkmoth from Miraculous Ladybug

I love HN lore...

[thin wadi]

[pale urchin]

HN lore can't be without a crossover

[thin wadi]

Yep

[shell gull]

Tomorrow we can finally discuss Guest

Since VR

We basically already have the idea

[spark tulip]

Tomorrow?

[shell gull]

Pretty sure

[spark tulip]

HNVR comes out in a week.

[shell gull]

Ahhh

My bad

Well

Guess we can’t talk abt it

I’m out

👋

[snow mauve]

Bye

[raw sail]

Wouldn’t it be funny if I already knew every detail

(Not really)

[opal jackal]

I wanna know why Alex hired "world class writers" who nothing about HN to write a HN show and animators who trace off wiki images to animate the same HN show

Like

What was the thought process

[shut hill]

just a week away can you believe it guys, just a week away

[manic dirge]

well actually its in 6 days

[lament marten]

hey noobs do you think matpat aka game theory should do another hello neighbor video?

[teal imp]

he will enjoy disecting this frame by frame

[lament marten]

ye

rn im playing hn 2 1.5

alpha 1

i want my grapple hook

[unkempt sleet]

I thought at least this server grew out of that goddamn joke

[teal imp]

"hey didnt we fire you for something"

[unkempt sleet]

At least that joke isnt years old...

[lament marten]

poop

[young kayak]

ok

[lament marten]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-secret-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-engineer-privet-sosed-gif-20973220

bombastic side eye

it is the biggest mystery in hello neighbor history

[hazy slate]

what joke? it's not a joke, we enjoy dissecting this franchise frame by frame so much that we have went insane over the lore, so why shouldn't he enjoy it too?

[crude dew]

I LOVE watching videos that are away from the truth, and believe what a random guy says, facts based on wikipedia

[pale urchin]

👽

[snow mauve]

Young quing tons

[hazy slate]

you mean the neighbor as a child?

[snow mauve]

Ya stupid

/j

[teal imp]

I actually want this skin

It looks dumb I love it

[thin wadi]

Yeah, its cool

[stiff spire]

I remember someone made a custom model for Enzo having a Quentin skin in secret neighbor

I think it was kometak

[silver vine]

it was kometak

[silver vine]

its actually Enzo

[true linden]

Enzo got the journalist drip

[lapis sonnet]

Hey guys, I'm active again!

a lot happened during the week I was gone in HN

but i wanna discuss the new AS teaser bc it is really confusing me

[silver vine]

its clear on what it says

Peterson and some others have been trapped by the guest's mind games

[lapis sonnet]

but why does it say peterson is saying that?

the dialogue doesnt make sense

[silver vine]

Peterson is saying to someone else that the guest has trapped them

it does make sense

[lapis sonnet]

but the teaser shows hes talking to the guest

unless someone is off camera

[silver vine]

the guest is prob like a depiction

[lapis sonnet]

i guess we gotta wait

[silver vine]

cuz it doesnt actually look exactly like the guest

[lapis sonnet]

yeah tbh it kinda looks more like an FP

with a guest beak

[silver vine]

but its not

its prob how the cult depict the guest

[lapis sonnet]

yeah maybe

[silver vine]

Peterson is prob talking to a cult member

and thats why hes telling, "the visitor you describe"

[lapis sonnet]

yeah

[lapis sonnet]

besides that teaser, anything new happen while I was inactive?

like anybody make any connections or solve any questions about lore

[silver vine]

SN teaser

[lapis sonnet]

eh

i could care less ab SN tbh

do we have a definitive timeline of the HN canon yet?

[silver vine]

Enzo getting Quentin skin

[silver vine]

[lapis sonnet]

is the current working theory that HN2 is its own thing, AS is its own thing, and everything else is part of a canon timeline?

bc last time i was active this was what everyone believed

[silver vine]

yes

[lapis sonnet]

interesting

[silver vine]

HN2 and AS are a separate timeline and the old lore is the main timeline

[lapis sonnet]

the thing about HN2 is its not MEANT to be its own standalone thing, but since Alexus messed it up now it is

and i dont even need to comment on the AS bc u already know how that must be its own thing

[silver vine]

its cuz HNVR(old lore) just cant work with HN2

[silver vine]

AS and HN2 are same continuity

[silver vine]

while the rest are canon

thats what we've come up with

[lapis sonnet]

they cant be

[silver vine]

but they are

cuz HNVR just contradicts HN2

[lapis sonnet]

they contradict each other so much, and before u tell me alex confirmed it he also said that the books werent canon anymore

and HNVR proves otherwise

[silver vine]

HNVR was in development for ages

so, yes it follows the books

[lapis sonnet]

so for all we know its also not canon anymore

[silver vine]

Steel Wool didnt change the story of the game 1001 times unlike HN2

Im a pro at solving cube

[pale urchin]

Good 🤣

[lapis sonnet]

i used to be rlly good at it but

its been a while

[silver vine]

Alex was right about books not being canon, books are not canon to the AS

cuz AS is entirely different thing from the books

[lapis sonnet]

ohhh but thats bc AS isn't the canon

i get it now

[silver vine]

AS is canon

AS is canon to its own timeline

and HN2

[lapis sonnet]

i mean no wonder there is multiple timelines

welcome to the hello-verse

/j

[pale urchin]

Interesting how there is bunch of timelines from different universe...

[teal imp]

alex said HE is new lore

but like

it doesnt fit

at all

lmao

[lapis sonnet]

where did he say this

[pale urchin]

Just like what Alex does. HE LIED

[teal imp]

the infamous guest tweet

[lapis sonnet]

proof?

bc when i read that tweet i dont remember it mentioning HE

[teal imp]

read the tweet?

[lapis sonnet]

send it to me

[teal imp]

I remember argueing with mouse about this

HE doesnt fit into new lore

@lapis sonnet

here is the source

[silver vine]

we'll wait and see

[teal imp]

its the hello neighbor game about cars

you think he cares?

his attention is on hn2

and the AS

[unkempt sleet]

It looks like he cares enough to mention it in the tweet

[teal imp]

still

when would it take place?

[unkempt sleet]

We dont know what happens in the majority of the new timeline yet, I dont think we should try to do that right now

[silver vine]

after act 2

most likely

[teal imp]

but

nicky is part of the club

he should be there

[silver vine]

he moved out

he went to the city

forgot?

[teal imp]

the AS seems to say otherwise seeing how he stays for mayak

[snow mauve]

More confusing hn theorizing I see

[silver vine]

he stays for a brief period of time

and then leaves

[unkempt sleet]

We're theorizing too early rn, We dont even know what happens after Nicky escapes the basement yet

[snow mauve]

It's pretty obvious guys

[silver vine]

exactly

[snow mauve]

He's chilling at home

With his mum and dad

Act like nothing happens

Boom

There's Nicky's story

[silver vine]

hes dealing with trauma

[snow mauve]

Slowly..

[teal imp]

Aaron gets run over by a combine harvester

alex comfirms it

[snow mauve]

You can hear bg sounds

When getting close to his house

So I do believe he's just chilling at home

And just not getting involved around with Mr. Peterson anymore

[silver vine]

hes talking about HN2

you can here sounds when you get close to his house

[teal imp]

I feel like those are just generic bg house noises

[snow mauve]

Bro no

Smh

I was talking about during hn2

[teal imp]

I would prefer the games had their own stories

and the books and or whatever could be used to fill in the blanks

[snow mauve]

Well no shit

Me lol

[teal imp]

the only thing that is his is the treehouse

[snow mauve]

Yep

[pale urchin]

Which wasn't there in hn1 😭

[snow mauve]

Even HNVR and HND have Nicky's treehouse

[teal imp]

I still think its a good addition

[pale urchin]

Yeah, considering how empty the foliage of hn1 is

[teal imp]

if the retcons are good then I support them

[snow mauve]

Hell yeah

[silver vine]

HND doesnt

[snow mauve]

Um yeah

From the cutscenes

[silver vine]

it only has the platform on the tree

[snow mauve]

Ohhhhh

Lmao

What about this?

Yes

[silver vine]

trellis

[snow mauve]

Oh

Bro when did I even say that?

What are you even talking about

Yeah

Which I do believe it is his house

[viscid knot]

how can you get lost in a grocery store?

💀

[silver vine]

he was 3

[viscid knot]

i will sue his mom and his entire family and they will have to pay their organs or they will be forced to mine a birch wood tree

that didnt make sense💀

why didnt i even say this weird nonsense💀

why do i exist💀

[snow mauve]

Well anyways

[teal imp]

I hope they replace this with the hnvr house

[desert lily]

Cool games

[snow mauve]

It doesn't even go well with AS tho

Like both hn2 and AS wouldn't even fit well properly

[teal imp]

the AS house is literally the same house from the books

[teal imp]

I wish they remove Aaron from hn2 so it can be vague enough to fit into both lores

[snow mauve]

Yeah

Hn2 is what I make it not canon

[silver vine]

I hope they replace it with the HND house

its much better

HNVR Nicky's house literally has the exact same texture as the neighbor's house

Im not very fond of that

[teal imp]

show me a picture of it

[teal imp]

I dont mind it

they could modify the textures and it will be fine

[silver vine]

guys

what does the nightmares in HN2 mean?

[teal imp]

nightmare 1 - ???
nightmare 2 - ted is a shitty father I think
nightmare 3 - haha goose go brrr

[silver vine]

mightmare 1 is self explanatory

Quentin already has grown fear of Peterson

[teal imp]

the hello neighbor from hello neighbor 2 is scary :((((

[silver vine]

nightmare 2 could mean that Aaron can never be saved

[unkempt sleet]

Nightmare 1 - Quentin is scared of Ted
Nightmare 2 - Aaron is Ted's son (for the new players to understand)
Nightmare 3 - Cult and the coins

[silver vine]

I srsly dont know what the 3rd one means

its wacky

[teal imp]

hnvr moment

[silver vine]

giant crow statue vomiting coins

[teal imp]

goose

goose

its the goose!

[silver vine]

goose

[teal imp]

from hello goose

[silver vine]

ah yes

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-neighbor2-guest-kra-gif-24906500

look at this creature

[silver vine]

wasted antagonist

[slate pawn]

Dude the HNVR house is too complicated dude the game is perfect as it is all the quentins are like --> bruuuhhhh...

[silver vine]

goofy ahh RTX reflections

[slate pawn]

I think they should make a model for this game specifically no need to reuse from other games

[silver vine]

exactly

they did that for alpha 2

[teal imp]

I cant play the game without it

I love goofy reflections

[silver vine]

Nicky's gray house

[teal imp]

I feel like they are too lazy

they had 6 months

a fan was able to make a model

in an hour

no 2 models within an hour

[unkempt sleet]

not really 2 models in one hour

[slate pawn]

I think they made nicky's house a generic background house so people don't think they can go in there

[teal imp]

still

you made them in one day

its been months egs still hasnt made one for nicky

[teal imp]

having the windows be fake is good enough

[slate pawn]

because its confusing for new players dude

[teal imp]

people arent braindead

[teal imp]

alexus alt spotted

[unkempt sleet]

It's not that they cant make the model, its just they dont

[hazy slate]

jobs

[slate pawn]

But what if they are...

[teal imp]

nicky`s parents moved A LOT in the books

[slate pawn]

(people who struggle with HN2 puzzles)

[teal imp]

I swear to god

having it look like bg house while having a unique model is fine

no one is gonna waste an hour trying to enter a house when pressing e on a door didnt work

[ripe berry]

Me watching Nicky's House be the most inconsistent house in HN (it doesn't even keep the same shape between HN1/HNHS/SN, Books/AS, HN2, HND, and HNVR):

[silver vine]

SHM, did you finally buy HN2?

[teal imp]

hn1 and hs have diffrent models???

[silver vine]

its the same in HN1, HNHS and SN

[ripe berry]

No the commas separate the models

[silver vine]

whatre you talking about

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-stare-serious-gif-15710427

[ripe berry]

the Slashes are for when it's the same

[silver vine]

ah

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sisihae-gif-23689236

nicky in hn2 when he hears footsteps on his roof:

[silver vine]

(he thinks Peterson is climbing)

(hes scared)

[ripe berry]

[ripe berry]

I mean come on at least the Peterson Household has a consistent outside

[teal imp]

nicky isnt important -alex

he is uninteresting

who cares about nicky

[ripe berry]

They literally labeled Nicky as having no free will in that devgamm presentation for the AS

(because he's on the opposite side of the spectrum from characters labelled with Free Will)

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

[silver vine]

guys

getting back on the topic

srsly

what does nightmare 3 mean

whats it trying to tell us

[slate pawn]

evil

[ripe berry]

We theorize it's a heavily modified version of the cult's history

[unkempt sleet]

It's says Raven Cult uses coins in Museum or something

[ripe berry]

Showing that they worshipped a being (hence the GA Coins in the Crow Statue), the Being came to life, and then it attacked them, as later heard in the Patch 3 tapes

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think it really shows they worshipped something

[silver vine]

ah yes, giant crow vomiting coins is the history of the cult

[ripe berry]

Heavily modified and symbolic too I guess

[unkempt sleet]

I think the Crow Statue just represents Cult being in the museum and using it as their hideout, and Statue vomiting coins shows that they're driven by their greed

[silver vine]

how?

[unkempt sleet]

I mean it's a nightmare, its not literal

It just represents something

[silver vine]

no like

[ripe berry]

It's unclear with much other then the Cultist Symbolism

[unkempt sleet]

Eh, This is what i think about Nightmare 3

[silver vine]

how does the coins show they are driven by greed

[slate pawn]

BIG

WIN

[unkempt sleet]

It vomits golden coins, because its filled with coins

[ripe berry]

Guest seems to, in AS Lore, be a Greed Demon so both could be accurate

[slate pawn]

When you gambling and hit that jackpot

[ripe berry]

no way the Cult runs a casino!

[stiff spire]

wayron croobs sacino

[silver vine]

the cult is already in HN2, Mayor and Baker are confirmed to be cultists, Mayor has cult robes and masks in his secret room

but the storms you brought up is pretty interesting

yes

Policeman is implied to be a cultist too

Taxidermist could be a cultist, but theres not much evidence, and theres also evidence suggesting he might not be a cultist

[sour wigeon]

WOW the lore is hurting my brain

[thin wadi]

Not as bad as fnaf lore does

[sour wigeon]

yeah 😄

[thin wadi]

But it is a bit confusing

[sour wigeon]

so the mayor is in a cult

[thin wadi]

Apparently the AS isnt canon any more though

[sour wigeon]

oh

[silver vine]

it is canon

it is canon to its own timeline

[thin wadi]

Wat

[silver vine]

and HN2

AS and HN2 are a separate timeline

[thin wadi]

Yeah yeah, its own timeline

[silver vine]

while the rest of the games and the books are the main timeline

[thin wadi]

Not to most of anything else

Also how is it canon to hn2 if it has act 3 in it

[silver vine]

who knows

but main timeline could never work with new HN2

[teal imp]

hoestly if it wasnt for the AS there would be less confusion

[teal imp]

AS is set in modern times

hn2 is in 1996

you can see the lack of shits given

[fiery otter]

something from the old HG/HN2 story that was scrapped

[teal imp]

mith maybe

there was a theory that he was adult Aaron but I think thats bs

[silver vine]

ofc it is

MITH appears in SN

how the heck could it be adult Aaron

[teal imp]

no I mean

that neighbor fake Aaron

not that Aaron is mith

[silver vine]

ah

[teal imp]

still dumb

[lapis sonnet]

that was implied

[crude dew]

why on earth cannot people accept the fact that Smith was A NEW CHARACTER on his own

[teal imp]

I do too

I was being sarcasting and spoke from the pov of what alex thinks

[teal imp]

Huh what really?

Hn2 makes sense

New game new protagonist

But like the AS

They made him a unimportant

And gave his entire personality to trinity

Its just dumb and shows the lack of shits given

Im pretty sure he was retconned into being Michael Afton under a diffrent name

This is getting off topic tho

[gentle elm]

I don't know why, but i always though that the Guest was just a crazy guy in town that went around in a bird costume abducting kids and all. THEN, apperantely he was Mr Peterson's alter ego. Ok, interesting. Reset Day supported that, but also implied there was something else going on, related to the cult. And I didn't move on from when the lore wasn't this complicated, so I just went with the conclusion that the cult was "using" Peterson. Then, i The Raven Brooks Disaster implied that the Guest was possessing Peterson, and Reset Day did so kind of (i found out by reading it again). And now he isn't even in HN2.

This stupid thing is basically my experience of trying to understand the Guest

[ripe berry]

Because it's reused lofi video

They also name Aaron and Mya I think

I'd need to relisten to the archived video segement

[hybrid spruce]

Hi

[ripe berry]

*they also name drop Trinity

the video was Mirroring and glitching when it was said

I remember this fact clearly

(Mirror World confirmed?)

But this implies it was from some kind of secondary being other then Mr. Peterson, perhaps the Guest?

[shell gull]

This is wrong in the Lore Canon which we can’t say since it involves VR.

[gentle elm]

Yes i know it's wrong. I was just saying my process in trying to find an explanation for the Guest, which was basically never getting things right.

[shell gull]

Understandable

The Guest had a wacky way of finding lore canon

In HG

[gentle elm]

Yeah...

[shell gull]

It was Ted in disguise starting the Mill

Which then got changed through

GN2 and Reset Day

To the Guest being an entity

That possessed people

Then after AS

It became a demon summoned by the Cult

Then Old lore

Is canon again

Because of the VR leaks

And now we know what what the guest is

[gentle elm]

Yeah, from what i got, at first the Guest was apperantely a split personality. Then he became a supernatural entity that is likely possessing the Neighbor.

[shell gull]

But can’t say yet

[gentle elm]

So it's a split personality again?

[shell gull]

You want me to tell you in DM

[gentle elm]

Yes please.

Also thank you.

[calm sentinel]

Can you also tell me what the guest is in dm (sorry for the ping)

[teal imp]

Nope

Not that

[gentle elm]

Yes i know

@shell gull explained it to me in DM

No

[teal imp]

Good

[gentle elm]

I actually think the current lore for the Guest is really good.

And better than being a demon possessing Peterson.

From what i was told, yes

[teal imp]

He still posseses peterson

[shell gull]

Sure

But have you seen the leaks

Cuz if you have it would be easier

[teal imp]

I have a lot of leaked footage

Up to 10 minutes

Most of it is intro stuff

[shell gull]

Of VR leaks?

[teal imp]

Ye I recorded the stream

[calm sentinel]

No

[shell gull]

Send

[teal imp]

Im not home rn

[shell gull]

Alright

[teal imp]

Infact im in another country rn

So I dont have the files on me

[gentle elm]

Yes but at least he isn't a demon and something more interesting (in my opinion)

[shell gull]

The demon idea was a cool concept

[gentle elm]

Yes, but i find the other option even cooler

[shell gull]

Ig

[gentle elm]

If it was a demon, it would still be cool

But i think what we got is even better

But everyone has their own opinions

[calm sentinel]

What’s this from?

Oh ok, cool

[teal imp]

Why did you have to use the greenhouse 💀

Map and layout look good but damn

It isnt

They had a model in alpha 2 that they removed

The only thing that makes it possible for it to be replaced is our suggestions and feedback

[fiery otter]

I think he means that it's a placeholder in his map

[strange lance]

got bored, here's a full hn timeline, blocked out stuff for spoilers of course

it is so sad how the only thing we are missing is hn2

it's so infuriating

[teal imp]

#1109757729578430504 message

if you want a chance vote yes on this

[strange lance]

As much as I want that it just won't happen. They would need to alter more things than just the intro. They're need to make whole new cutscenes in the attic, change the whole ending, they'd have to actually use the guest (egs would never) they'd have to change nightmare 2 again, and plus, Alex would not want this to happen, he's dead set on keeping both the AS and hn2 "connected" despite not being connected

[teal imp]

Ill make another suggestiong about the rest of the game on may 25th

[teal imp]

wdym]

nightmare 2 is fine

its Quentin`s interpertation of Aarons and Teds relationship

[teal imp]

he would be an idiot to keep them connected

[strange lance]

...but Quentin never would have seen aaron

[teal imp]

heck the games dont connect to the Books or AS all that well

[teal imp]

the photo

also the sounds in the attic

he can make similar assumptions to how he does in the beta

[strange lance]

the photo that shouldn't exist either

[teal imp]

damn why did you remove the

cmon man give it a shot

[strange lance]

idk, it's too unlikely, as much as I want it I just can't ever see it happening, EGS are probably already doing stuff with the story expansion

which will most definitely include Aaron

you forget that they're actively making and planning more stuff with the things they already have

changing everything again would be too much for them

they've already had to bear many game resets, they don't need another that will just push them back more

[lapis sonnet]

whats the twist from an alternate reality

[strange lance]

not a plot twist

like a different take on the story we already have

[teal imp]

what would Aaron even do

[strange lance]

that kind of twist

[teal imp]

he is with ted

he doesnt want to leave

[lapis sonnet]

are u talking about AS/hn2?

[strange lance]

yeeeees

[lapis sonnet]

also just to correct u on HND, its not about nicky beating his fear again. in hn1 act 3, he beat his fear. but the childhood trauma caused memory loss, and now that he's gone through self-therapy, he can now freely explore his mind and try to gain back his memories on what led up to the incident

[teal imp]

mouse

if the suggestion gets like 30

they will have to pay attention

and somehow adress hnvr

[shell gull]

Yup, it’s about him remembering what happened in RB, and all the people he knew.

To give context all he remembers was moving there once

[lapis sonnet]

and also seperating the 3 acts across the timeline is incorrect, hn1 should be in one spot (after gn2) since acts 1 and 2 are his distorted foggy memory of what happened (for example, act 1 is a distorted memory of what happens at the end of book 3, and act 2 is a distorted memory of the aftermath of HNVR)

[shell gull]

That was it

[shell gull]

People like Ted he didn’t understand where they came from

[teal imp]

the games should be a seperate canon from the books and AS

[lapis sonnet]

so technically it goes:
-ted's birth and childhood
-bosco bay
-books 4-6
-books 1-3
-SN
-HE
-HNVR
-GN2
-HN1
-HND
-Reset Day

wait lemme edit that

[shell gull]

Which is why Act 1 happened weird

The Intro was different

From Books

Which made sense

Since he lost his memory of Aaron

That’s why he appears as a cardboard kid

And that’s why it appeared like he didn’t know him

Cuz he didn’t

Since his memory was gone

[lapis sonnet]

correct

so HND is about him regaining his memory of aaron, RB, his old friends, and what led to his kidnapping

[shell gull]

Cardboard being not remembering his face or details

[shell gull]

Mhm

Which explains why he was confused about the burned down house in Act 3 start

Since he didn’t know what happened to it

And was curious to see

[lapis sonnet]

well u see that was actually one of the plot holes, since canonically, the peterson house is still up

just abandoned

as seen in RD

[shell gull]

True

But

Act 3 is most likely after Reset Day

Since we don’t know how the plot went

And there has never been an exact date

[lapis sonnet]

originally that was my theory that HN1 and HND are after RD

but people quickly disproved my theory bc apparently RD was supposed to be the end of it all

[shell gull]

True

[lapis sonnet]

but unless the creator, nikita, carly anne west or alex said that then its untrue

[shell gull]

But there’s also Ted

He could definitely just rebuild it

Seen with his skills

But that unlikely

[lapis sonnet]

no that wouldnt make sense, hes possessed by the guest

[lapis sonnet]

obv that just sounds crazy

[shell gull]

Yes, but he still uses Teds skills, for instance the Time Loops.

[lapis sonnet]

i think HN1 and HND just take place after RD, and no matter how many times people argue with me that "RD is the end of it all" i wont listen until i get proof

[shell gull]

Anyways gotta go

[lapis sonnet]

still, RD implies the house has been abandoned for decades

[lapis sonnet]

cya

@strange lance fixed version of your timeline:
-Ted's birth and childhood
-GN1
-Books 4-6
-Books 1-3
-SN
-HE
-HNVR
-GN2
-Reset Day
-HN1
-HND

(apologies for the ping)

[strange lance]

yeah no, act 1 is entirely real, that happens, act 2 is just a distorted memory and happens with hn2 which is why I paired them, act 3 and act finale are after gn2 yes I put those in the right spots, HND is right after all that. and no Reset day is not before hn1 act 3 and finale that makes 0 sense. In reset day it's all locked down with the big brick wall, and it's stuck in a loop. Idk why you would put it before hn1 since we don't even know what would've happened after reset day

[teal imp]

at most they should take story notes

[strange lance]

Reset is very clearly the last in the timeline.

[lapis sonnet]

the reset day thing i can agree with maybe, but what doesn't make sense is u thinking that act 1 is real, and if act 2 is a distorted memory why is it with hn2?

act 1 and 2 are a foggy retelling/distorted memory that nicky experiences in a dream

[strange lance]

because act 2's real events is just Nicky and co leaving

it still "happens"

[lapis sonnet]

just call it nicky escape

[strange lance]

no

[lapis sonnet]

and doesnt HNVR just have that, i havent seen the leaks but everyone says the ending has him escape

[strange lance]

just call it act 2

[lapis sonnet]

we have HNVR

[strange lance]

there is no need to overcomplicate things

[lapis sonnet]

its not overcomplicating, act 1 and 2 arent real

[strange lance]

what is your reason for act 1 not being real

tell me

nothing about act 1 is distorted

it's all normal

Nikita did not once say act 1 was a distorted memory

only act 2

and that act 3 and 4 were self therapy

[lapis sonnet]

the events are completely different from what really happens, in book 3 it says that nicky goes to the old factory and watches video tapes he found in petersons backyard that he dug up. the tapes give him answers as to what happened to mya. in the middle of the night, during a storm, nicky goes and breaks in, finding the basement key and getting into the basement. the basement is completely different than act 1 and theres no hole in the roof. as for act 1, nicky is rolling a ball down the street and hears a strange noise, in bright daylight, gets curious and breaks in and gets to the basement

[strange lance]

if you haven't noticed, the books came after the games, and made a fully finished version of act 1 😃

it's not that act 1 is distorted it's just outdated

[lapis sonnet]

which is why we should just call it distorted since it doesnt make sense in current lore

[strange lance]

no that just overcomplicated things

just call it act 1

there is not need to add all this extra stuff

[lapis sonnet]

and we can assume that since alex (ik we shouldnt trust him) said that act 1 and 2 are foggy distorted memories from a therapy session

[strange lance]

bro LOL

you did not just reference Alex

he's a freaking liar

that only applies to the AS

[lapis sonnet]

it makes much more sense, bc it makes hn1 take place in one part of the timeline instead of breaking its acts across the timeline

[strange lance]

that only applies to the AS

[lapis sonnet]

we have book 3 instead of act 1 and HNVR instead of act 2

[strange lance]

read the room

we are talking about the main lore

not the AS

why are you bringing the AS into this

[lapis sonnet]

wtv i take that back then, point is that act 1 not being real makes much more sense. you say that its overcomplicating to call act 1 and 2 distorted memories, but its much more complicated to take a game and divide it across the whole timeline

[strange lance]

so no you did not fix my timeline. It is still this, each act happens, real or not they all happen in one way or another. There's no dumb therapy sessions

[lapis sonnet]

it doesnt make sense

[lapis sonnet]

u still got HND's whole lore wrong respectfully

[strange lance]

Well I didn't go back to edit it and also I do not care. Nicky is visibly worried/scared when he sees Aaron's photo, not to mention the dark neighbors in the basement which is just the thing again taking on Ted's form

so yes it is still about fear, but also remembering the past

[lapis sonnet]

eh

[strange lance]

there is no eh

it is shown in the game

[lapis sonnet]

game isnt out yet so we just gotta wait for a solid answer

[strange lance]

that's not an excuse

[lapis sonnet]

same with HE, i believe the HE story is fleshed out but for all we know it could change

[strange lance]

they are not going to completely change the story of the game they are working on that's coming out this year

(HE)

and HND is already far too into development to go back

[lapis sonnet]

thats why i said i think the story we got in the demo is the final draft

[strange lance]

yeah just, don't drag the AS into the main lore timeline because it just does not work lmao

[teal imp]

hn2 aint even connected to the AS

imagine if the same thing happens to Aaron that happens in hnvr

[strange lance]

you're right, it really is not at all

Alex is making it connected though

and he is failing

[teal imp]

nobody likes the AS

[strange lance]

at this point hn2 is it's own timeline too

[teal imp]

why doesnt he give up at this point?

[lapis sonnet]

correct

it happens in a whole diff decade than the AS

[teal imp]

lets try to at least get EGS to make hn2 somewhat fit

[fallow carbon]

i think the AS at least has one audience... you can probably guess that audience

[strange lance]

I would say that they're different but considering how much alex wants them connected I'm just gonna keep saying they're in the same timeline

[teal imp]

actual comment on tb community post

[lapis sonnet]

i dont hate the AS like u do tho, what i truly hate is HN2. bc of alexus's choices, it has story and elements from the main timeline and the AS, and just doesnt fit into either timeline

[fallow carbon]

ding ding ding

[lapis sonnet]

not to mention the false promises

hn2 is the problem in my eyes

hnvr is what hn2 shouldve been tbh

[fallow carbon]

how about both have problems

[strange lance]

if you like the AS you go the sandbox for eternity

[teal imp]

alex has seen the amount backlash

[fallow carbon]

cause that's at least how it's seemed to me

but like HN2 is at least getting better through its patches

[teal imp]

I like certain elements of it

[lapis sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[fallow carbon]

the AS......

well there's two episodes so i unno

[teal imp]

I wouldnt mind some of it slipping into the lore

but not all of it

[lapis sonnet]

but story-wise its not

[strange lance]

I'm fine with like the coins

[lapis sonnet]

same

[strange lance]

but that's it really

[teal imp]

showing our support for major story changes will give us a chance at the very least #1109757729578430504 message

I really want hn2 to at least make sense

[lapis sonnet]

i like the AS because its not canon and its own thing, the only things i dont like is alex's attempt to make it the same timeline as hn2 because its impossible

[teal imp]

its the only hn game that is disconnected

[lapis sonnet]

alex and alexus destroyed hn2, and now it is disconnected and doesnt fit any timeline

[teal imp]

god why am I so desprate

[strange lance]

and it will always be like that. Alex is not one to listen

he never has

he never will

[teal imp]

alex isnt working on hn

[lapis sonnet]

alpha 2/E3 build could've easily fit old lore

[strange lance]

Alex isn't working on the game but he's working on the story

[teal imp]

he clearly has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to hn2

[lapis sonnet]

heck even the beta

[strange lance]

if you have not noticed

[teal imp]

he is the CEO

[fallow carbon]

"it hurts to be lied to" - Alex lol

[teal imp]

he should be managing the company

not the story 💀

[lapis sonnet]

but out of nowhere alexus took over nikitas job on hn2 and made choices for it to fit the AS, with the help of Alex

and it ruined it all

so now it doesnt fit into any hn story

its just its own thing

[strange lance]

well Alex is a greedy man and will do anything to get more content from his cash cow

that's all the AS is

a money grabber

which will make no money

and once it fails maybe just maybe he'll see

[hazy slate]

All they had to do

[teal imp]

AS is a waste of money

[hazy slate]

was make new characters

[teal imp]

part of me thinks its some money laundering scheme

[strange lance]

ngl the rescue squad stink at making cars

[hazy slate]

if they gave the AS a fresh story and not reuse and ruin characters, people would probably like it alot more

[teal imp]

goose mobile

[fallow carbon]

Eh, they'd have to insert Mr. Peterson somehow though

I don't think we've had a
Fully realized project that is independent of Peterson

[teal imp]

guys tbh I feel like we are handling this whole thing wrong

[lapis sonnet]

that makes no sense, do u know what money laundering is lmao

[hazy slate]

Or maybe, it could take place from HIS perspective, it could show what his childhood was like, and what happened in Roger and Adelle's time

[teal imp]

attacking alex will only make want to listen less

[teal imp]

its a joke

[lapis sonnet]

what do u think TB is selling narcotics behind the scenes /j

[teal imp]

I dont actually think that

[teal imp]

they are selling illeagal hn plushies

[lapis sonnet]

🤯

[hazy slate]

there is so much wasted potential for a AS that everyone would've liked

[teal imp]

they should have let carly write

[lapis sonnet]

eh tbh i got a hot take

[teal imp]

the pilot was watchable

and I didnt hate it

[lapis sonnet]

alex was right ab the books not being good for animation, the pilot was terrible

[teal imp]

and the characters werent unlikeable

[teal imp]

the pacing was off

[lapis sonnet]

martiza cheetah moment

and having an AS that would fit book lore just felt unnecessary since we already had the books

[teal imp]

I would rather have cheetah maritza over the maritza that says "cringe"

[lapis sonnet]

the AS being an AU isnt even bad, the only reason ppl are mad is because alex is trying to call it the canon version

what i care about is hn2 and i think thats the real problem

[teal imp]

and it will eventually become the canon version if we dont pushback

[unkempt sleet]

And do you actually think if we push back that will prevent that?

Because i dont

[teal imp]

simple dont buy future hn product where its clear alex interfered

[hazy slate]

again, I think the problem there was the fact that they were using old characters

[teal imp]

tbh

the guest got unlucky

he got gutted before they could fully use him in old lore

what the AS seems to be doing already seems off

[unkempt sleet]

I enjoy HN, and i will buy HN products as long as i enjoy it. I dont really care what Alex does

[hazy slate]

they should've used the AS as an opportunity to tell a new story

[strange lance]

The Guest would not openly be evil smh

[teal imp]

its just going to set hn downwards

[hazy slate]

instead of reusing the stupid nicky rescue squad aaron is missing oh no plot again

[teal imp]

I like the guest that manipulates people

not the haha im evil goose

[strange lance]

Same

[teal imp]

anyway I dont think alex will be able to intervene

[unkempt sleet]

I love how we didnt see that haha im evil goose anywhere at the moment...

[fallow carbon]

yeah
this is also likely counterintuitive to his portrayal, but i liked it when he could silly ragdoll and silly drag players

[teal imp]

someone else might get the rights to hn (I doubt tb will manage to keep existing as a company)

[fallow carbon]

he just so silly somtimes...

[hazy slate]

all I want is book 8 and maybe 9 to finish piper's story before any reboots

[teal imp]

I hope dynamic pixels get the rights back

[unkempt sleet]

Very lore related talk...

[teal imp]

sorry its still related to the lore in the sense of who is intefering with it

alex should really just listen to people

him actively getting involved in stuff he isnt qualified in actively makes everything worse

[lapis sonnet]

they still have it, EGS is dynamic pixels

like the exact same people

[lapis sonnet]

ive always liked this idea, and i have an idea

[teal imp]

still 2 seperate companies

[lapis sonnet]

its not

[teal imp]

from what I can tell dp still exists?

[lapis sonnet]

its the same people with a rebranded name

[teal imp]

at least Aidan said so

[hazy slate]

what is it?

[fiery otter]

EGS develops HN games, but tB owns the rights

[lapis sonnet]

im gonna do my most abitious project yet: a fanmade book 8, im gonna either make or get someone to make some awesome art for the cover, since its at the very end of the timeline im gonna have creative freedom, ive always had good writing skills and im gonna use it to make the best ending to HN possible

even if its fanmade, itll be so accurate people will consider it canon

this is my new passion project tbh

ima make it happen

[hazy slate]

can you ping me whenever you finish it?

[lapis sonnet]

its gonna take forever

but i will

im going to get the amount of pages from all the HN books and find the average amount of pages

and go off of that

tonight ill figure that out and maybe start a first draft of the story i want

since i bet i will have multiple drafts and end up changing the story

especially as HNVR and other HN content comes out

i have so much amazing ideas

im gonna reread all the books beforehand to match carly anne west's writing style

its decided its gonna be 202 pages long

but that could change

[unkempt sleet]

That sounds awesome

[lapis sonnet]

its my new passion project

but make sure to give me ideas and such

no matter how crazy

[unkempt sleet]

If you need any 3D renders or something, i would be glad to help

[lapis sonnet]

besides finishing pipers story and answering all of reset days unanswered questions, i want to tell a new story

[lapis sonnet]

interesting, that could be cool for maybe in-book pictures since HN books have some of those

but if im not wrong there is someone in the server who can replicate the style of the HN book covers, so i need them to make a cover

i just dk what the best software to write it in should be

maybe just good old google docs

what ill do is make some drafts and notes in docs, then when i make a final draft of the story ill make the novel in a nicer program

what should the placeholder name be?

[unkempt sleet]

Reset of Raven Brooks, or something idk

That kinda sounds stupid though lmao

[lapis sonnet]

yeah, i just need a placeholder name for the google doc

make one that is like two words long

[unkempt sleet]

Just put Book 8 if you ask me

[lapis sonnet]

K, and as the book is in production it'll have many WIP names

but for now its book 8

any story suggestions or ideas?

im fully open to the community for this one

[unkempt sleet]

Nicky should be there...

[lapis sonnet]

i had that idea too!

great minds think alike

maybe ill even reintroduce Mith so he has some worth

[unkempt sleet]

That would be cool

[lapis sonnet]

i got a WIP name

"dark fin" it sounds weird, but Fin is another word for an ending/the end of something

so what it really means is dark ending

[unkempt sleet]

Sounds cool

[lapis sonnet]

ty

besides the plot, since that will take a LONG time to make

what about the prologue?

in most HN books the prologue takes place at a different time then the book, either before or after, and is used to foreshadow what happens later in the book

[snow mauve]

Wip

The better title of the video fr

[unkempt sleet]

Do something with Mayak in the prologue...

[lapis sonnet]

that could be cool

[lapis sonnet]

🤯

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak should be the source of the Time loop in the Reset day imo

[lapis sonnet]

isnt the guest/mayak implied to be the source anyway

[snow mauve]

Animated Series

Go brrr

[lapis sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

idc

[snow mauve]

Damn

Massive W

[unkempt sleet]

Guest is definitely implied to be, but idk about the Mayak. I need to re-read the book

[snow mauve]

Now that's a lore master

Jk

[lapis sonnet]

lmao

[snow mauve]

Mayak is a weather station 🤯

There that'll fix your tiny brain

[unkempt sleet]

No shit

[lapis sonnet]

and mayak has smt to do with time loops/travel/pocket dimensions, bc of HE

[snow mauve]

Yes shit

[lapis sonnet]

well in HE its just a pocket dimension

[snow mauve]

Ya turkey

[unkempt sleet]

I havent played or watched HE fully tbh, Because it was a stadia exclusive

[snow mauve]

Play the demo

[unkempt sleet]

Im waiting for the Steam release

I have the demo
I won the giveaway...

[lapis sonnet]

same

[snow mauve]

Then play it

[lapis sonnet]

its fun tbh

[snow mauve]

Dot dot dot dot

....

[lapis sonnet]

but yes i wanna make the book have a lot of goose in it

[snow mauve]

Mr. Apple when: dot dot dot

[snow mauve]

I will gives you 20 bucks

If you do it

[lapis sonnet]

anything for 20 bucks

[snow mauve]

You must use that money to cancel AS

:)

[lapis sonnet]

hehe

[pale urchin]

What about grammar?

[lapis sonnet]

hm?

[pale urchin]

Grammar is very important for great spelling and is one of the proper skills to use

[lapis sonnet]

i have great grammar skills, and am able to improve them, i just dont show that a ton in my messages since its just a HN discord

[pale urchin]

Right

[lapis sonnet]

anyhow

i want the prologue to involve mayak

[pale urchin]

Got it

[lapis sonnet]

and i think i could perhaps have the prologue finish piper's story. maybe she goes back past the brick wall surrounding RB in search for her mother that the guest took, goes to mayak and gets killed/goes missing by the guest

[pale urchin]

Right

[lapis sonnet]

and then the rest of the book could have nicky as the protagonist, and all other problems and unanswered questions reset day gave us could be discovered and answered by him

or we could do the opposite and get nicky killed by the guest

tbh i might make a whole discord server just to discuss this project

bc its flooding the lore discussion channel

[pale urchin]

Right

[lapis sonnet]

or even better, maybe for the prologue i kill off one of the cops from RD

[pale urchin]

Got it

[lapis sonnet]

in the community's opinion, should the mirror world from the HG days be brought back?

RD didnt make a lot of sense when enzo went missing by the guest, we still dk what happened to him or why it caused a time loop

but from the info we have, whats the answer that makes most sense

whether thats knowledge from HG, HN2 alphas, scrapped stuff

implications from RD

[lapis sonnet]

prologue draft is done @unkempt sleet

DM for the link to the google doc

[snow mauve]

He be slumbering rn

[lapis sonnet]

fr

ima just send it here

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vn-0xFtNKczfD7SAqRHmt_HwIVWVMuIiOl2IptOXy60/edit?usp=sharing

[snow mauve]

Oooh

[lapis sonnet]

this is the prologue draft that has Piper die in the prologue

[snow mauve]

The dark fish fin

/j lmao

[lapis sonnet]

while writing about mayak i came up with another name idea

Time and Fire

[teal imp]

Will Nicholas roth be involved?

[lapis sonnet]

thats my idea

[teal imp]

Wait what

[lapis sonnet]

i have different ideas for the prologue