lore-discussion

[snow mauve]

I didn't know that until I read the books lol

[lapis sonnet]

he went missing in the catacombs bc thats where all the clues pointed to

[teal imp]

Atleast he looked diffrent from his son

[ripe berry]

So do you think there could be demons of any of the other 6 deadly sins other then Greed running around RB

[shell gull]

He also controls luck from what we know

[teal imp]

Also I sorta like the weird chin

[lapis sonnet]

idc

[lapis sonnet]

maybe

[lapis sonnet]

uhh how

[snow mauve]

And can cause time loop (if that's still canon)

[lapis sonnet]

nope

[snow mauve]

Oh cool

[undone quartz]

I thought that was mayak

[shell gull]

Yup, where he was murdered by the Mayor, and to make sure no one found out, he blocked off that specific area, and made the only way in through a Puzzle in the Park.

[snow mauve]

What

[lapis sonnet]

correct

[ripe berry]

He also seems to have (in new lore) punished the Realtor for being Greedy

[lapis sonnet]

didnt a crow punish her lol

not the guest

and the realtor dying was before hn2 when the guest was summoned

[undone quartz]

Can the guest still control croys

Crows

[lapis sonnet]

if he can then michael makes sense

[shell gull]

He’s supposed to be represented as a God, only thing I could see is the Luck, and the Luck times are cursed, so is the Guest, they have a link.

[ripe berry]

GN2 shows the Guest can control crows

[shell gull]

Which is weird why he killed realtor, another most likely Cult member.

But she was greedy

Also the Guest takes things from people

[ripe berry]

Also just gonna point out how Google defines a catacomb as "an underground cemetery consisting of a subterranean gallery with recesses for tombs, as constructed by the ancient Romans."

[shell gull]

He takes there treasures and loved things

[ripe berry]

Note the reference to tombs and "cemetery"

This place is likely where the Cult hides anyone they kill

[undone quartz]

Bruh who's Michael

[lapis sonnet]

@ripe berry

[shell gull]

Ahem

[lapis sonnet]

dummy

[undone quartz]

Oh

[shell gull]

Yup, also a meet up place I’d imagine

[lapis sonnet]

ahem notice burial place

[ripe berry]

Yes

[lapis sonnet]

unless u were agreeing with michael

mb

[shell gull]

Ik

[shell gull]

I was

[lapis sonnet]

kk

[ripe berry]

Religious practice ties it to the cult

[lapis sonnet]

and apparenly in ep 6 the kids are gonna find one

maybe MJ

[ripe berry]

Or maybe even earlier?

[ripe berry]

[lapis sonnet]

nah alex said that a scene from the bobs burgers movie inspired a scene in EP 6

[snow mauve]

The lore masters in lore discussion:

[ripe berry]

I could've sworn there was evidence Nicky finds them in Ep. 3

[lapis sonnet]

the scene being them finding a dead body in a tunnel

[lapis sonnet]

nope

[ripe berry]

The dead body likely being MJ

[shell gull]

Well it seems like he was in the school

[shell gull]

Lol

[lapis sonnet]

mith? u mean MJ?

nvm u changed it

[ripe berry]

There was a image of Nicky looking in a tunnel or Smth in the School, wasn't there?

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[shell gull]

MITH ain’t canon anymore, unless they bring him back

[lapis sonnet]

but i dont think thats connected

[lapis sonnet]

ik

[shell gull]

Yeah I have it I think

[ripe berry]

I think that's a entrance to the Catacombs

[lapis sonnet]

one of em

@silent gorge can we get any AS teasers or dates?

[ripe berry]

The most likely place for that scene would be Ep. 3

[lapis sonnet]

any info at all

[shell gull]

Can’t find it

[shell gull]

Ping moment

[ripe berry]

Since the School likely burns down in the Episode

[lapis sonnet]

yes bc we know smt is gonna happen in the school

[lapis sonnet]

mr murtaugh death

[lapis sonnet]

yep

[ripe berry]

So Nicky first finds the Catacombs in Ep. 3

[shell gull]

Yeah which ties into the Ep 1, Flammable moment.

[ripe berry]

But the Rescue Squad only find it in Ep. 6

[shell gull]

I guess so

[shell gull]

Works

BRB

[ripe berry]

and they're also the one's to find MJ's Skeleton

[lapis sonnet]

probably

i made that theory,

[shell gull]

Wait wha

[lapis sonnet]

bc who else has been killed by cult and hidden in catacombs that we know of and is significant?

[lapis sonnet]

its speculation but makes sense

[shell gull]

Ahh ok

Works with me

Love how we all contributed to the different theory’s

[ripe berry]

Again the scene the scene in Ep. 6 with what's likely the catacombs is a scene where they find a dead body in a tunnel

[lapis sonnet]

lore masters at work

[shell gull]

Ahh

[lapis sonnet]

and who else fits that description other than MJ

[shell gull]

Unless there’s someone else we don’t know about

[ripe berry]

He's the only one we know the cult's killed

[lapis sonnet]

yeah but hes the only significant one

[ripe berry]

other then possibly Quentin

[shell gull]

Yeah he fist the description

[lapis sonnet]

but also ep 6 is pre-hn2

[shell gull]

Wouldn’t make sense, since it’s Ep 6

[ripe berry]

But he only moved to RB that morning

[shell gull]

We would have to wait till, it would last a good 4 days from then.

So it’s M.J. For sure

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

yes

i wish alex gave us any info at all about anything lore related

[ripe berry]

and that's assuming the HN2 Ending Shadow is a Cultist

[lapis sonnet]

which is implied

[ripe berry]

I'm only saying that it's never confirmed

[lapis sonnet]

ik

[ripe berry]

However HN2 continues past the current ending

[shell gull]

Nothing else would work

[shell gull]

I mean

[ripe berry]

Perhaps the game ends with Quentin doing something to help defeat the cultists

[lapis sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-a-week-ago-carter-rings-zach-roerig-last-week-gif-18751231

[shell gull]

That’s what I thought

[shell gull]

Ik

[lapis sonnet]

honestly i have no faith we are getting a hn2 story continuation

[ripe berry]

which ultimately sets up AS episodes to follow

[shell gull]

If there is one, how would they continue, there is the slight chance that Quentin did survive, since there’s the DLCs.

[shell gull]

Yeah

Since after that

[lapis sonnet]

and also we were told to get story continuation so

[shell gull]

Is the Time skip

Thing

[lapis sonnet]

we can assume quentin survives

[ripe berry]

Which could also be happening between Quentin Moving in and the Barn Tutorial

since Quentin still has the News Van in the Library DLC

[shell gull]

Unless they continue with someone else, for example: Beatrix.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

i have a whole theory for that but we wont get onto it : )

[lapis sonnet]

also i dont think DLCs canonically take place after the campaign but rather in-between

since we know DLCs are canon

[shell gull]

Would make sense, since there’s the Archives.

[lapis sonnet]

yep

@silent gorge can we at least get any info on when ep 3 is coming out? i already know u guys are trying to finish VO for ep 6 but im jus wondering how thats going

[ripe berry]

2 PING

[shell gull]

Double trouble

[lapis sonnet]

i just need news

i cant go this long without HN news im dying 😭

[lapis sonnet]

i find it odd how in this clip from ep 4 the window in the middle of the house was elongated and turned into a big window then just shrinks again when act 3 house is built

[shell gull]

Try Consoles it’ll make it worse

[ripe berry]

So what do we know about the Halloween Incident

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

look it shrunk

now that window is small again

[ripe berry]

I'm just wondering because I'm trying to see if there's anything else we can figure out about the lore

[shell gull]

Here:

[shell gull]

Yeah lol

[lapis sonnet]

it was a bad storm most likely caused by mayak and roger and adelle, the kids got lost in the woods but gerda survived, and smt so bad mustve happened to the two other kids that gerda was traumatized and wouldnt tell anybody what happened

[shell gull]

Definitely Cult, that’s why Nielson found her.

[lapis sonnet]

probably

but neilson wasnt a cult member back then keep in mind

[ripe berry]

How can we be sure

[shell gull]

True

[lapis sonnet]

well he became one bc of that night (he got promoted)

[ripe berry]

Makes sense

[lapis sonnet]

he became a cult member via the promotion

[shell gull]

True

[shell gull]

Also true

[ripe berry]

I feel like the Halloween Incident is going to parallel the current Missing Persons Case

[shell gull]

It’s gonna for sure

[ripe berry]

Both have someone (who's likely) new to the town who'd be around the same age as each other at the time (MJ/Quentin) investigating the case of 3 people going missing that likely has something to do with the Petersons where one kid is found alive and grows up (Gerda/Nicky), another (likely in the case of Pumpkin Kid) is found Second and is dead (Pumpkin Kid/Mia) and a 3rd never being found (Guest Kid/Aaron), Both Quentin and MJ end up discovering things about the Cult before both go missing

[shell gull]

Good to know that Luanne and Jay are still canon.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

This is what I mean by Halloween Incident likely parallels the current Missing Person's Case

[lapis sonnet]

again, books arent canon but elements were taken from it

[shell gull]

Ik

Books are the Roots, AS is the Base, and Games are the Branches.

[lapis sonnet]

when u mentioned pumpkin kid whyd u compare him to nicky

u mean mya

[lapis sonnet]

precisely!

[ripe berry]

Yes I meant Mya

[lapis sonnet]

k

[ripe berry]

Fixed it

[lapis sonnet]

ty

a GN3 for the halloween incident would be awesome

[shell gull]

Alien kid is definitely parallel with Nicky, Alien overlords, and basically everything Michael said.

[ripe berry]

I forgor Nicky's ties to Aliens

[shell gull]

Yeah it’s prob retconned

Along with his religious beliefs

[ripe berry]

Aaron has ties to the Guest, I mean we literally thought Aaron was the Guest at one point

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

brb

[ripe berry]

If anything it makes sense for AS Nicky to believe in Aliens

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Considering how he feels like a insane conspiracy theorist

[shell gull]

Gotta go nice discussion though 👋

[ripe berry]

Yeah

but does Mya/Mia have any ties to farms or Pumpkins

[ripe berry]

Cya!

[ripe berry]

That'd make her ties to Pumpkin Kid about as strong as the other two

[lapis sonnet]

yeah

[ripe berry]

But I don't remember if Mya had any ties to Farms or Pumpkins

[shell gull]

I’m only gonna be back for this snippet, all I have to say before I actually go is, yea she does, she likes farm animals.

[ripe berry]

Alrighty then, so there IS something

Cya!

So is there anything else we could talk about?

[lapis sonnet]

hmm idk

btw back

i wish alex just said smt

i just want any story or lore info

anything

[teal imp]

Wait what

[silver vine]

there are 2 possibilites:

1. He was a former cult member
2. Hes there on the board cuz he knows about the existence of the cult

are we sure that Nielsen is a member?

I always parallel Otto with Mrs.Ryland from the books

Ryland also lived in isolation inside an underground bunker cuz she feared the cult would kill her

we can also parallel Otto with Adelle and Roger Peterson

Petersons befriended a journalist and gave lots of interviews in hopes of exposing the cult

they also found a luck device and dismantled it and buried it deep so that the cult doesnt get it, Otto could have done the same thing with the key

Otto is prob living in isolation cuz hes paranoid about the cult, thats why he carries the gun everywhere

in one of the interviews, Otto said: "They're obviously watching us dont you see"

hes us telling to take the gnomes very srsly, if he was a cultist, why should he tell to the ppl about the gnomes?

[silver vine]

dude, Guest wasnt summoned in HN2

he was summoned way before

[silver vine]

my biggest question about HN2 is this, when do the DLCs take place and how do they connect to the main game?

[silver vine]

yes, she carries vegetables in her pocket, but books arent canon anymore tho

[silver vine]

reminder that the guest was the mascot of the park

[viscid portal]

What is it? Where is it from?

[fiery otter]

is this on the Raven Brooks archive?

[delicate saddle]

How can you make full role on some books,tv series ,4 games?

[teal imp]

I forgot the link AND password

can someone resend them?

[snow mauve]

@teal imp

[delicate saddle]

For what it is?

[tame quartz]

bro, Otto is a suspect

[snow mauve]

The password for the secret website

[delicate saddle]

Umm

[snow mauve]

That showed some lore info about the game

[delicate saddle]

Can you give me link on dm?

[snow mauve]

Alright

I'll brb

[teal imp]

thanks but I also forgot the adress

[delicate saddle]

Ill dm you

[teal imp]

wait imma brute force it

[delicate saddle]

Or he

[teal imp]

nvm

I remember that it has /rba in it

but not much else

[snow mauve]

Hey uh @teal imp

Sorry for the ping

Could you send me the link for raven brooks banner archives

In the dm's

[teal imp]

I do not have it??

[snow mauve]

What?

Then why did you needed the password in the first place?

[silver vine]

yes

[teal imp]

I forgot both

[unkempt sleet]

https://www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives

[cunning sand]

Bruh

[short birch]

What is the password?

[unkempt sleet]

"HATCHERYWINGATE" is the password

[lapis sonnet]

probably inbetween levels in hn2

[lapis sonnet]

yes

there is literally a tape of the mayor telling him to go find peterson

bc they are after him

as for Otto you gave quite a good explanation and i agree with the parrallels

[lapis sonnet]

just bc he was always a myth and mascot doesnt mean he was summoned before hn2

they said for new lore they took elements from the books, one of those probably being the fact that the FPs are a myth to the public which think they are human crows

so that could be how the mascot was made

[teal imp]

it doesnt seem logical

I feel like they can only either take place before or after hn2

[lapis sonnet]

but it cant

beginning of hn2 is when quentin first comes to town

and end he is killed/kidnapped

so it has to be inbetween

[teal imp]

wait the library dlc MUST takes place before because Quentin`s van is intact

[lapis sonnet]

and we know the DLCs are canon bc of the RBB archives

[teal imp]

doesnt feel like it at all

[lapis sonnet]

bro we see quentin enter RB for the first time

[teal imp]

I mean they will have parts of the story take place after that point

in future expansions

so the end isnt set in stone

its most likely after then

[lapis sonnet]

yes but the end definitely wont tie into DLCs

by the time the game ends/we get a story expansion the DLCs mustve already canonically happened

[teal imp]

the DLCs should just be on the main map smh

[lapis sonnet]

ok

[ripe berry]

Before the Barn Tutorial since Quentin has his van in the Back to School DLC

[teal imp]

honestly the intro is lame

[ripe berry]

and there's no room between the days

[teal imp]

the beta intro established that it was his first time there by

1. having him struggle to find the entrance to RB
2. have the locals give him a bad look

[ripe berry]

yeah the full game does a bad job at showing he's new there

[teal imp]

I dont get why they changed it

[undone quartz]

For the library Quentin probably went there before to have a idea of what was happening in raven Brooks

School I have no idea

[stiff spire]

one thing that still questions me is

in the intro Quentin drives into raven brooks and is close to the Neighbor's house

but then after he reads the map he arrives there at night time

maybe he went to investigate other places first

[ripe berry]

yeah

That's the other half of why I say the DLCs are before he arrives at the Peterson Household other then Quentin still having the News Van in Late Fees

[stiff spire]

I agree

that makes sense

[shell gull]

Late fees could be before at Day right the second before the time skip, and Back to School could be after the skip, sometime during Night 1 maybe.

That wouldn’t work either though

Since the Paper airplanes

So maybe at Noon to night he did Back to School

[hazy slate]

it's possible that the news van just isn't visible since the school has police tape near it, so Quentin had to park far away

[viscid portal]

So, where did the neighbor's parents really go?

[silver vine]

the mascot looks nothing like the FPs tho

also "Forest Protector" hasnt been mentioned even once in new lore

[silver vine]

they went missing

[ripe berry]

Possibly even dead

[silver vine]

yes

[ripe berry]

I think you're confused

[silver vine]

what?

[ripe berry]

We're talking Mr. Peterson's Parents, you're talking Nicky's Parents

"Neighbor" refers to Mr.Peterson

Yeah we don't know what exactly is going on with Jay and Luanne Roth (Nicky's Parents)

but they're somewhere

Yeah Nicky's Grandma is dead

(I think she was called "Bubbe Fein" by the books?)

[ripe berry]

I decided to split this into a second message, that's why

[teal imp]

Probably dead

They were never found

[silver vine]

another thing which I want to point out

on the museum article on the RBB archive

it is said that the journalist managed to get information from a trusted source that the keys to the interior of the museum are stolen

and, who this trusted source of the journalist could be?

[tame quartz]

when they got Nicky back, they moved

[silver vine]

if he is a cultist, why would he tell MJ, about the keys which are stolen by cultists

[tame quartz]

he isn’t omfg

the taxidermist is just like mr Peterson

A victim.

We know this because just like Mr Peterson, he screams at the crows

Cult members don’t do that

[silver vine]

tell this to sh1mpnut

hes the one whos saying that Otto is 100% a cultist

[tame quartz]

@shell gull

[teal imp]

thats what I assumed

[teal imp]

pov: you are a bird in Raven Brooks minding your own business

everyone in hn2 being a cult member would be LAME

it makes perfect sense for otto to not be one

[tame quartz]

yep

[crude dew]

there will be so much confusion here, once the AS lore is released fully

[crude dew]

if those wcw pulled a funny, then Nicky would be an orphan kid since his parents are nowhere, who breaks in to old men's houses as a hobby, and then he'd get adopted in the end
sigh
the story could be taken in many ways, but they chose the most...general

[cunning sand]

no

[silver vine]

#lore-discussion message

[shell gull]

What?

Omg here we go again

First off, who’s to say he’s doing cover up, second, wth does he have a Museum Key in his yard buried, after the Cult summoning, and if that’s the case explain why he’s part of Quentin’s pin board, also the game was focusing on the different Cult members when breaking in, so wth is Otto in there, also Don’t forget Teds personal Pin board in HN2 has him on there, as part of the people he knows are cult members, and there’s also AS, we don’t know till they show in as I was never 100%, but we have to see in AS, so far just him being separated from the Town and being Friends with M.J. Is just desperate for good evidence, yes there are the Archives, but literally every other Cult member has talked in them mostly.

[silver vine]

the thing is

Otto told MJ that the cult stole museum keys

why would he do that if hes a member of the cult

[unkempt sleet]

People suspecting him doesnt change anything either, He lives alone in an island kind of thing, and he's kind of a conspiracist, of course people would suspect him

[shell gull]

The reason he’s Covering, is because he literally has no Back up, Nielson is the Chief of the RBPD, Gerda is the loved Baker, Mayor is the Mayor, and meanwhile Otto has nothing, obviously Covering.

[shell gull]

Museum Key has left the damn chat

[silver vine]

my answer to why he has the key in his backyard

[unkempt sleet]

The thing is, He's to only one that doesnt have the Museum key in his house

It could be just someone else burying the key there

[silver vine]

dude, also answer this

[shell gull]

Like I said, we don’t know till AS, he could be an Ex Cult member, but that doesn’t change the Fact a Piece of Lore Exploration is literally in his Yard.

[shell gull]

Where was this?

[silver vine]

RBB archives

[shell gull]

Show it

[snow mauve]

Brrrrrrrr

Just go to the website bud

[shell gull]

Depkis there lacking evidence again

[snow mauve]

True

https://www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives

The loreeeeee

[silver vine]

Our journalist managed to procure information from a trusted source that the keys to the interior of the museum where many of the exhibits are kept have been stolen.

[shell gull]

Where’s Otto

[silver vine]

"trusted source"

[shell gull]

That doesn’t mean Otto

[silver vine]

well then

who could the trusted source be

[shell gull]

M.J. Has tons of Trusted people, that’s why he’s able to get so much info across Town.

[snow mauve]

Mr. Peterson is the killer!

[silver vine]

so, who else knows about cult stealing keys

[snow mauve]

Quing ton

[silver vine]

Quing ton came after he died

[snow mauve]

True

[shell gull]

Listen, I’m not saying you guys are wrong, but there’s current lack of evidence to back that up, For now Otto is a Cult member, until we get more details in AS there’s nothing to say about that.

[snow mauve]

I wasn't theorizing lol

I was just being a idiot

[unkempt sleet]

We dont know if MJ died though, He's just missing

[shell gull]

Probably the Investors

[silver vine]

true

well then

[snow mauve]

Maybe goose took him away

Then die

[shell gull]

The good ones I mean

[silver vine]

I have one more question

[shell gull]

No it was Cult

[shell gull]

?

[snow mauve]

Joke

[shell gull]

Ik

[snow mauve]

Sure

[silver vine]

why is Otto told in an interview that "They're obviously watching us"

and told us to take the gnomes very seriously

[shell gull]

Which one

[silver vine]

gnome

he explicitly mentioned that the gnomes are spying on us

if he was a cultist, why would he tell that

[shell gull]

Maybe the Cover up, he has no good alibis.

But that’s hard good evidence

[snow mauve]

Wait shit lmao

Mb

[silver vine]

the cult is spying thru gnomes, and Otto explicitly confirmed that, and thats hardly evidence?

[unkempt sleet]

His speech there feels like he tries to actually convince the gnomes are watching tbh

[silver vine]

also wdym by coverup?

[unkempt sleet]

"First it was those damn kids hanging around everywhere and now those bleedin' gnomes are showing up all over the place, too.
They're obviously watching us, don't you see? Their eyes glint as they stare and stare. Why doesn't anyone take it seriously! Tell them to get off my property! Can't they see the signs I put up? This is private land!"

[silver vine]

hes literally telling us to take the gnome problem very srsly

[shell gull]

Question, why is he part of the Pin Board and connected to the Musuem, why does he Have the Musuem Key buried in his Yard in a Safe, why is he part of Teds list of his known Cultist in the Museum.

[silver vine]

answer: he knows about the existence of the cult

[unkempt sleet]

"Why doesn't anyone take it seriously!" Especially this line doesnt feel like he's lying

[silver vine]

he prob could be an ex member

now

answer OUR question

then we'll answer yours

[shell gull]

That’s what I was saying

[shell gull]

Cover Up so simple, told you he has no good alibis.

Anyways I’m out case closed for now 👋

[unkempt sleet]

Or, He's just a crazy old guy that makes up conspirasicies

Which in this case, his conspiracy is right

[silver vine]

just like Mrs.Ryland

[silver vine]

well, regarding the key thing, I think that he somehow managed to get the key and is keeping it from the cult, cuz the room in that museum has golden apples and masks and important cult stuff, I can parallel this to Adelle and Roger, how they dismantled and buried the luck device so that the cult doesnt get them, anyway, you can have your opinions, you can still think Otto is a cultist, thats why Im not pinging you this time I know your not gonna see this anyway, but the only important thing which bugs me is that the cultists hold power in Raven Brooks, Officer Keith is the chief of RBPD, Gerda is a successful Baker, Mayor is Mayor as always, but Otto is just a simple taxidermist, he doesnt hold any high ranking status other than creepy old man with gun

[strange lance]

If Otto is against the cult and trusted mj, why would he catch us and shoot at us when we're also a journalist

That's the only thing that confuses me

[unkempt sleet]

I mean, You're tresspassing

and he doesnt like tresspassers

[strange lance]

Maybe next time he shouldn't live right behind someone elses house

In both hn2 and AS

"Outskirts" sure game

[thin wadi]

Yeah I don't like trespasser so I moved to the outskirts

The outskirts in question

[silver vine]

hes paranoid

hes paranoid that the cult would get him

just like Mrs.Ryland

when Aaron and co broke into her house, she suspected them and asked them if the ravens(cultists) sent them to spy on her

[silver vine]

even tho she was literally their own teacher

goodnight

[ripe berry]

New Lore Timeline theory

[unkempt sleet]

Keith Nielsen is the first one to born in the new timeline...

[ripe berry]

I was just making a Guess about that, Otto could also technically be first, and Mr.Peterson is the first on my timeline if you look closely

[unkempt sleet]

Tbh I think adding everyone's birthday on the timeline makes the timeline look a bit messy
That might just be me though, idk

[ripe berry]

It was just to try to fill in the timeline

I'll make a version without birthdates just because that was mainly guesses anyways

[strange lance]

This is just too confusing

Why'd they have to complicate everything

[wicked heath]

i would say my opinion, but moderators are watching

like those gnomes

[strange lance]

I mean you should be allowed to

If it's negative

Again the AS should really not be used for lore or time lines. There's way too many contradictions and inconsistencies

[ripe berry]

Version of the timeline I made without Birthdates

[unkempt sleet]

Looks good

[lapis sonnet]

not in new lore, AS teasers show nicky is gonna stay in RB after he escapes peterson

[lapis sonnet]

little bet messy so if u dont wanna remake it I can

also the dates need to be moved up

also glad u established that HND is new lore ive been trying to talk ab this but didnt know how ppl would react

i dont think HND is old lore bc then it serves no purpose since we already have the books

and i get just bc of how nicky referrs to aaron and mya's names in the AS doesnt mean he didnt know them before

i also dont get why HN1 is scattered across the timeline it is in the end of the timeline

since technically the whole game takes place when nicky is an adult since act 1 and 2 are retellings based on his memory that he told his therapist

also i have a new HNVR theory

[ripe berry]

I labelled Act 1 since it's the only game as a base for what happens in Ep. 4

but with Ep. 6 I just put it there because Act 2 isn't remotely real but if it was it'd be there in the timeline and so people have a base from which to understand until AS Ep. 6 or HNVR comes out

I only even labelled HND as New Lore since it's a possibility that it's canon

There's nothing proving the scenes HND shows us aren't correct

[lapis sonnet]

since we have AS we dont really need a base though

u couldve just wrote for act 2 "nicky escape"

[unkempt sleet]

I always felt like HND is supposed to show whats still canon from the books or something idk

[ripe berry]

I was saying as a base for understanding what happens until the AS Episodes drop

Then I'd say that(AS) is the base for what happens

[teal imp]

does this include the AS taking place in a time period where smartphones exist

if so wouldnt skipper be dead by then?

or atleast old as hell

[teal imp]

why is hnd here

isnt that like exclusively old lore?

[teal imp]

otto being only slightly older than gerda and quentin seems off to me

[lapis sonnet]

he wouldnt be bc hn2 dates are moved up

[lapis sonnet]

no its new lore

[lapis sonnet]

agreed

[teal imp]

thats just stupid

im going to ignore the date moving thing

[teal imp]

so Nicky does know Aaron

and he played games with enzo?

AS doesnt hint towards this at all but alr

[tame quartz]

bro I have pointed multiple pieces of evidence to why Otto is not a cultist. One, he doesn’t have ANY Eye pictures or raven statues in his home. Two, he yells at the crows unlike the mayor, baker, or cop. Three, he is isolated from the town, which means that he wants to stay in hiding from the cult because they control too much of the town. If he WAS a cult member, why would he be separated from the town?

[fiery otter]

I have a question: if MJ is dead, who knocks Quentin unconscious at the end of thr game?

[fiery otter]

I've continuously tried to tell sh1mp that Otto isn't a cultist but he won't listen

[tame quartz]

MITH is suspected

[fiery otter]

I thought MJ was a replacement for MITH

They serve the same role in the story, so it wouldn't make much sense to have both

[tame quartz]

no? MITH doesn’t work for the Banner

and MJ is allegedly a friend of the taxidermist

[fiery otter]

they both are characters who know about the strange happenings of the town and are trying to investigate it

[teal imp]

he is a scrapped character

best case scenario he became MJ

beatrix and MITH canonically dont exist until shown otherwise

[tame quartz]

do you mean literally or figuratively

[fiery otter]

and seem somewhat like anti-heroes, as while they are trying to stop the bad people in town, they don't seem to want Quentin's help

[teal imp]

I mean in terms of game development

[lapis sonnet]

yes it does kid

[teal imp]

stop calling me kid 💀

[lapis sonnet]

nicky is part of the inventors club which means he has history with enzo

[teal imp]

they all seem to not want to trust him and enzo delibretely ignores nicky

[lapis sonnet]

and just bc in one episode nicky didnt refer to aaron and mya by their names doesnt mean he didnt know them

[lapis sonnet]

bc he doesnt believe him

how does them playing games in HND contradict that

all he says is not to hang out with aaron

since in new lore the family is still cursed

[teal imp]

isnt hnd a recap of book 1?

[lapis sonnet]

it takes out certain stuff

[teal imp]

huh

like what

[lapis sonnet]

HND is basically them showing what is still canon in new lore and what isnt

alex literally said the books arent canon but they are taking elements from it

[teal imp]

I wonder if they will bother to do with with the rest of the books

[teal imp]

oh so not everything was scrapped?

[tame quartz]

HND is just Hn1 with more lore

[lapis sonnet]

i dont think so if they do it is probably old lore

[fiery otter]

I honestly wonder if they just made the ending without knowing who the shadow is because they wanted it to leave on a cliffhanger

[lapis sonnet]

the mayak origin, roger and adelle, family curse, and nicky and aarons history wasnt scrapped

[teal imp]

I wish hn1 itself actually showed off the lore

[lapis sonnet]

originally HND was gonna do that and be a hn1 DLC

same with HNHS

[teal imp]

does hnd still have his old personality intact? in the as he is diffrent

[lapis sonnet]

barely lmao

[tame quartz]

they couldn’t exactly do it because the lore was very long so HND had to become a seperate game

[teal imp]

will they atleast port hnd to pc?

[lapis sonnet]

no

gtg now bye

[tame quartz]

cya

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

I hate playing mobile games

looks like I will never get to see the lore behind Aaron long legs

[tame quartz]

oh cmon HN on mobile isn’t terrible

[teal imp]

my phone for some reason cant run hnd

[sturdy ore]

Rlly

[teal imp]

it runs like shit

[fiery otter]

if they ported to PC it would cost money
And I doubt you'll be giving tB any more money

[teal imp]

also camera controls

[tame quartz]

the only bad part about mobile is the AI

[teal imp]

🤫

[tame quartz]

It’s severely nerfed

AI is so slow it’s sad

he also doesn’t spam traps and cameras

Speaking of cameras

What will the Mayors security system be like

[teal imp]

I tried emulating hnd to pc but well

the camera was so bad I wanted to cry

everytime I pressed e to interact with items I had to reset my camera by pressing f1

it felt so janky and painful

[tame quartz]

Well of course

That’s what happens when you try to turn a mobile game into a pc game

[teal imp]

the only way to make it consistent was if I held e to move the camera

[teal imp]

I had better results

the way hnd was scripted for some reason resets the camera once you interact with an object

[shell gull]

Why would M.J. Knock out Quentin?

[shell gull]

First couple can be fixe with the Fact of Cover Up, and also your own reasoning of Lazy Design, last one is buffoonery, his passion and job is taxidermy, why would he go the least Wild life populated places instead of the most Populated Spot, by the lake at the swamp.

I’m not hating on your guys theory’s

I love seeing the ideas

There’s just not enough evidence to back up

Same with our side of the thing

We have to wait and see in AS

[fiery otter]

I wasn't saying he did

[fiery otter]

then why are you acting like Otto has to be a cultist

[shell gull]

Cuz when I said that I disagreed you all went agro

Especially when I gave evidence

The reason I currently say he HAS to be, is the fact Ted has him on his cult list, Quentin has him on the Cult list and the fact he literally has a Cult stolen Key buried in his yard in a safe, which you all have yet to give an explanation for.

[fiery otter]

Aren't you the one that said gameplay doesn't necessarily mean lore?

[shell gull]

Yeah, not if it’s lore exploration, the things I listed are.

[fiery otter]

how are you so sure Otto having the key isn't just because the game is linear and they needed a place for the museum key?

yes, technically the cult stole the museum keys, but

gerda and the mayor put it in places they can easily reach

Otto, mean while, buried it underground and then put it in a place very hard to get to

it doesn't necessarily prove Otto isn't part of the cult, but it is weird

[shell gull]

That isn’t lazy, especially since it’s Lore Exploration, also Gerda and the Mayor didn’t put it in easy places at all, and that doesn’t change the fact he has one buried, why would he bury a Cult stolen key if he’s against them, especially the fact that one leads to Teds board of his known Cult members, seems like the Team wanted to point out some subjects.

[fiery otter]

well, if the museum is where they perform their rituals, then it would make sense for Otto to take the key so they couldn't continue the rituals

also, the mayor and gerda's keya are easier to get to than otto's

Otto has to climb up the side of his house while gerda and the mayor just have to collect some items they know the location of

[shell gull]

Doesn’t make sense, they took the Keys after the Guest broke out to hide the evidence of them being there, and to make sure no one found out they locked the keys in hard puzzles.

[lapis sonnet]

okay look i reallyyyyyyyyyyy dont think otto is a cultist dude.

btw back guys

[shell gull]

Shit reason to think that, I stated that it’s hard to tell which in both side and is best to wait for AS.

[fiery otter]

then, again, don't act like it is confirmed that Otto is a cultist

[shell gull]

Never did, I’m giving evidence.

[lapis sonnet]

your right, and I'll tell you what, if Nikita wrote hn2 it wouldnt be so confusing. the thing with HN and why nikita was so good is because he was able to tell a story without words that you can understand by implications

[fiery otter]

right now you're acting like Otto is undeniably a cultist, but you just said to wait until the AS to find out for certain

[lapis sonnet]

alexus didnt do a terrible job but not a good enough one

which leaves us problems like this

[hazy slate]

He is, why would he bury a key to the museum in his yard?

[fiery otter]

alexus just went with the dumb story being made for AS instead of continuing nikita's story

[shell gull]

Never did: #lore-discussion message

[fiery otter]

Why would he try to warn people about the cameras hidden in the gnomes? We know for sure the cameras were placed there by the mayor because of a character description

[lapis sonnet]

and even then, Nikita could've gone with Alexus's story and still fixed plot holes like this. the only reason we know about the guest being summoned and all this isn't because alexus was able to do what nikita did and give us story based on implications, but through secret tapes scattered across the map.

i dont even hate the current hn2 story just wish the writing was better

[shell gull]

Can easily be thrown out with him doing Cover Up, since he doesn’t have a good alibi.

[hazy slate]

what if it's possible that Otto left the cult but needs to still hide the dirt against him in the museum?

[shell gull]

Same

[lapis sonnet]

i feel like alexus's writing isn't good enough for that

that sounds too elaborate

[shell gull]

Alexus didn’t write the story?

He was the Dev

Lead Dev

In charge of Games gameplay mechanics

And everything else except story

And Music and sound

[fiery otter]

the "world class writers" are responsible for HN2's story
Alexus just incorporated the AS plot into HN2

[hazy slate]

speaking of devs, can someone here tell me more about timelesser? (I know this is the wrong chat, but I don't know literally anything about them)

[fiery otter]

nobody knows anything

[shell gull]

Easily Cover Up, he doesn’t have an alibi, but we can’t say for sure.

[fiery otter]

that's not a cover up

[shell gull]

No one knows much

[fiery otter]

that's Otto literally telling people to beware of the gnomes

even considering the museum cover up, it doesn't make sense for Otto to spill the beans about the gnomes

[shell gull]

Yeah, cuz there appearing everywhere, and yes he mentioned them spying, but that’s still Cover Up: Coverage via ways to blend in.

Anyways

Since we’re done with that

How tall would the Museum be

First we need to know Quentin’s height

Do we have a source telling us that?

[fiery otter]

the cult's whole point is to keep the powerful people in power
Mayor is the mayor, Gerda is the owner of a popular bakery, and Nielsen is chief of police. However, Otto is just a regular guy. Sure, he's a taxidermist, but that isn't really a position of power- that's just a normal occupation

[fiery otter]

you aren't understanding
The gnomes are the cult's main way of keeping the town in check. It wouldn't make sense to tell the town about them if Otto was a cult member, but if he found out on his own (or with the help of MJ), then it makes sense for him to try to warn the town

[hazy slate]

something to note though is that he does have alot of good kills, aswell as the big fish. that seems to require alot of luck. Where might that luck come from?

[shell gull]

Bud, that wasn’t it, in Books it was to GAIN power, that’s how Tavish became Mayor, that’s how Tapps became a Detective, in New Lore it’s the same, this time instead of gaining power for there selves it’s to gain power on people and being in charge through the Guest.

[fiery otter]

it isn't hard to shoot a wild animal or catch a fish

I mean, he could just pick the fish up out of the creek he lives in

[shell gull]

He literally has an entire shelve of big kills lol.

[shell gull]

He lives in a Swamp area but it is kinda a creek.

[fiery otter]

if it's about gaining power, you'd think Otto would be in a more powerful position than just taxidermist

[shell gull]

He hates people, he has that now.

And his passion

Which from what we know

He didn’t have when younger

[fiery otter]

hating people is not a position of power 💀

[shell gull]

They gain what they want with the ultimate goal, the ultimate goal is Power over others.

[fiery otter]

sure, he may not have had it, but he's also just as likely to have had that skill when he was young

[hazy slate]

a baker isn't that powerful

[fiery otter]

she's the owner of the most popular shop in town

[shell gull]

No, she’s the most LOVED in town.

Though she could be the most Powerful as well

But Otto has power as well, the Cult can easily have him just kill Someone with his licensed shotty that has literally killed bears.

[fiery otter]

we have no proof that Otto has killed anyone (from what I know)

[shell gull]

Never said he did, but he definitely can.

That is power

And the fact he has award winning kills

Is definitely Luck involved

[fiery otter]

you'd think they'd have the character with a gun be the person to kill whoever is recording the tapes, but no - it's the mayor

[fiery otter]

again, it's not hard to shoot a wild animal

[shell gull]

Yeah it’s the mayor, I didn’t say he killed anyone, where you pulling this shit out of?, I simply said he can definitely KILL someone.

[shell gull]

A giant fish, giant deers and moose along with full on bears, sure.

Anyways enough of that cuz now it’s getting boring

[fiery otter]

Otto has a gun - if he was a cult member, then he would probably be the one the devs chose to kill MJ

[shell gull]

Not Devs, writers, and no that wouldn’t be the case when you take in the fact he’s a Taxidermist.

Enough of that now

[shell gull]

The roof of the Garage looks really alike the Barn

[untold lark]

i love the car model

[tame quartz]

Look, there’s literally no reason for Otto to be a cultist. He’s already very VERY suspicious, and the cultists are very good at hiding their suspicion. They wouldn’t have a person that is already suspected by Ted and others.There’s just no way he could be one of them, a lot of evidence points toward that fact. You straight up can’t deny that without a solid counter claim and circumstancial evidence.

[untold lark]

i agree

[tame quartz]

thank you

[untold lark]

like why on earth would otto be an cultist when he has a friend whos trying the STOP the cult

(aka MJ)

[shell gull]

Omg we ended this already

Don’t spiral it up again

[shell gull]

I never denied it, I stated that we can’t be sure on anything till AS, and denying has appeared more upon the opposite group, there’s it enough evidence on both sides,

Otto isn’t a cultist: He yells at Crows, the Archives, M.J. And lack of Lore Detail.

Otto is a Cultist: Archives is Cover up since there’s no Alibi, Cult Stolen Key buried in the yard inside a safe, Peterson has him on his Pin board, Quentin has him on his pinboard, AS will focus mainly for its side Character sneak ins on the Cult and HN2 focusing on the Cult members for sneak ins.

[untold lark]

yeah no

just because quentin has ottos image on the pinboard doesnt mean hes a cultist

[tame quartz]

Okay, but Peterson and Quentin have Otto as a SUSPECT. So until we know more, the pinboard means nothing

[untold lark]

and maybe he was part of the cult at some point in time

just not now

because they killed his friend MJ

[tame quartz]

Otto is a suspect because 1. He is the taxidermist. 2. He is detached from the town. 3. He has his own secrets

[untold lark]

also an other thing otto doesnt have a mini crow statue unlike the baker and mayor

at least i dont think

[shell gull]

Is this the same with Ted

[shell gull]

He does

[shell gull]

That’s one of the theory’s

[shell gull]

Sure but Ted no, he has him as a Known cult member of his.

[shell gull]

For 1. That’s just a normal job, 2. He’s detached from the Town to pursue that job, 3. No he doesn’t, where in the current game is it, of all things it would be the Fact he has a Cult stolen key buried in his Yard in a safe, which reconciled with him being a Cult member.

For now leave this topic

Off

There isn’t enough evidence for both sides

No hate in Otto not being a Cultist

There’s nothing wrong with Theory

Problem is there isn’t enough evidence for both sides

Only hope is a future Patch, or most likely AS ep 3.

And so on

[tame quartz]

Okay

[teal imp]

Where the long legs

[teal imp]

Wrong

[teal imp]

the legs tho

normally his legs look normal

him being tall isnt excuse

[lapis sonnet]

I'm not joining in on this or agreeing/disagreeing with you, but you need to tweak something. These two points you made showed clear evidence and fact and you kept opinions out of it, EXCEPT for the first reason why Otto IS a cultist. If your gonna provide evidence, don't use a theory.

besides that time for a HNVR theory

so a few days ago we got new screenshots

and its given me a new theory

as you guys know, hn1 is so wacky and weird because: act 3 and 4 are a dream, but act 1 and 2 are unrealistic because it is a foggy retelling from the mind of a traumatized child. act 1 and 2 are what he says happens to his therapist because his memory is affected by the trauma.

[strange lance]

Act 1 is all real

What

It's act 2 and onward which are memories

And self therapy

Unless you're talking new lore

[lapis sonnet]

i am talking new lore

[strange lance]

Also how do we know act 1 is a wacky memory now

In the AS

Did it say that

[lapis sonnet]

i believe Alex said it somewhere but if he didn't, you can also just see from teasers the sequence of events of nicky getting captured is completely different from act 1

no hole in the roof, he gets captured before getting into the basement, different puzzle, and different intro

instead of him noticing a noise while kicking a ball around like in act 1, him and the inventors club set up a plan and he sneaks in first

but for all we know either this screenshot for HNVR is from a nightmare sequence (since we are getting those), OR the whole game is a trauma retelling from the kids since we are getting an episode in the AS where the rescue squad talks to their therapists about what happened as adults

that theory probably isnt true tho and this is just from a nightmare

[teal imp]

They took away the hole in the roof 😔

Dammit alex cant have shit in new lore

[teal imp]

The therapy episode wasnt a joke? 💀

God its going to be awful

[cold gull]

I think that would make us connect emotionally (somehow) with them, i hope the episode Will be good enough in order to make memorable characters, also if these kids don't go to therapy after what they experienced, it would be weird and totally not healthy

[lapis sonnet]

yeah i agree with u, the therapy episode wont be that bad cmon

[fiery otter]

somehow alex and his "world class writers" will find a way to screw it up

[tame quartz]

this image makes me so sad

Aaron and Nicky didn’t deserve this

I demand justice!

Aaron and Nicky must be reconciled in AS

[shell gull]

True an honest mistake

[shell gull]

Alex said Act 1 was Therapy, and in HN1 that would mean it was part of Nicky’s self therapy or maybe HND.

[undone quartz]

So act 1 and 2 therapy, then acts 3 and 4 self therapy?

[shell gull]

No Act 1 and 2 is Wacky fizzled memory derived from Self Therapy in Act 3 and 4, sorry I worded that wrong.

This is the correct meaning

[undone quartz]

So the first two are memories the last two are overcoming fear?

Also did Nicky get official therapy in any way

Or just pure self therapy.

[lapis sonnet]

it wasnt self therapy it was him retelling events to a therapist

then in act 3 and 4 his trauma gets worse and he starts seeing the shadow man because he has to move back to Raven Brooks

so during a nightmare (act 3 and 4) he uses it to overcome his fears, since hes been trying to all his life (thats why he got therapy, but it didnt work too well)

when he beats his trauma, then all he has to do is regain his lost memory (childhood trauma can result in memory loss) and remember what really happened and led up to the incident (him being kidnapped)

and thats when HND happens which isnt fully done yet : )

[strange lance]

This is so stupid

They're making it all so complicated

[shell gull]

No, long time ago Devs confirmed it was Self therapy, him going on the Couch and Napping while thinking about his Trauma.

[strange lance]

Hn1 (original) Act 1 is real, act 2 is a distorted memory, act 3 is real at the start, becomes self therapy mid way, act finale is also self therapy

[shell gull]

Now it’s, Act 1-2 are distorted memories, Act 3 is real at the start but mid way becomes Self Therapy and Act 4, is the End of the Self Therapy.

[strange lance]

Now it's act 1 is real but it takes place in the act 3 house and SN is also real and blah blah

Tieing SN to real stuff when it never supposed to is stupid

Thanks Alex

[teal imp]

can you explain whats happening in it?

[teal imp]

im just going to ignore the therapist shit until its actually mentioned

its just dumb

should have kept it as nightmares

[teal imp]

sleeping a couch is consider self therapy?

wait im confused

does he actual have a therapist

or is it just self therapy??

[lapis sonnet]

yeah thats acts 3 and 4

[lapis sonnet]

dude act 1 isnt real

nicky getting kidnapped is

but not act 1

[lapis sonnet]

thats not dumb its still nightmares, act 1 and 2 were never nightmares

if anything the therapist thing is good as it patches a plot hole

[shell gull]

Yeah.

Self Therapy

[lapis sonnet]

thought u were talking about acts 1 and 2 mb

[teal imp]

So Nicky doesnt have a therapist?

[shell gull]

Ahh

[lapis sonnet]

acts 1 and 2 are distorted memories being told to an actual therapist

[shell gull]

No, he Self Therapist himself.

Like

Getting over fear

Though

[lapis sonnet]

thats only acts 3 and 4

[shell gull]

The other kids do

Have therapist

[teal imp]

The way nicky wakes up in his apartment implies they were nightmares of childhood

[shell gull]

Yeah Ik

[lapis sonnet]

well alex confirmed thats not the case so

boohoo

[teal imp]

Im just correcting you stating "they were never nightmares"

The game implies they were

[lapis sonnet]

acts 1 and 2 are not nightmares

[teal imp]

Im saying the original intention was that wasnt it?

[lapis sonnet]

eh

maybe

[teal imp]

Act 3 suggests it

[lapis sonnet]

original intention is irrelevant

[teal imp]

I was just correcting you smh

Anyway I dont get why alex even bothered to change this

[lapis sonnet]

i dont hate it

[teal imp]

It seems rather pointless?

Like its inferior in my in my opinion but still why change it from a nightmare to self therapy?

I mean act 3 did become self therapy in a way but the first 2 acts clearly werent so im confused on why he even did this

[lapis sonnet]

just more proof btw

[lapis sonnet]

he didnt really

act 3 and 4 are still a nightmare, nicky just uses it as an advantage to fix his trauma

which was the original intention

[shell gull]

He never sleeps though, he napped.

[strange lance]

You do know he's a freaking liar

And changes the lore however he wants

What he said was never true

Nikita himself told us what happened and what didn't happen

Stop trusting Alex's words

And stop theorizing on new lore it's stupid

It's all so lame now and awful

Alex does not know HN1's lore because act 1 being Nicky "reliving his memories" is a flat out lie

He's just twisting it to fit the AS

Never take his word

[shell gull]

How, it’s nice to Make Theory’s on the Old canon, but new one you can’t, that’s just straight horse shit, Yes he’s a Liar, but that’s only when it comes to marketing and Games, this is a literal Show he worked on, yes he’s twisting it to fit AS so what, that means we have new things to discuss, I was pissed when Retcon first happened, but now that I realise how damn simple the New lore is, it didn’t become so annoying anymore.

[tame quartz]

…he’s the frickin CEO whatever he says is canon 🤦‍♂️

[strange lance]

Nah

[snow mauve]

I mean just pretend it never existed

Even though it's hard to think that

[strange lance]

The fact that there are people who are just ok with this is baffling

Also, the old lore was not even that complicated if you actually used your head

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[strange lance]

Unfortunately most people here don't have one

[lapis sonnet]

Agreed.

i loved old lore Mouse but of course I'm going to take Alex's word for it because he's working on the current lore across the whole franchise

u cant up and say the CEO doesn't know his own story

hes in charge of it

[snow mauve]

It's still sad to see it to be retconned even though the new lore was definitely simple now

(And I hate it)

[cold gull]

We just adapt to new circumstances, of course i think old lore was way better, but new lore isn't lame at all it's still enjoyable somehow, there's more content to explore, but of course comparing old lore and new lore, old one is by far the best, but i can enjoy both, living in denial to new lore was making myself truly upset, i just adapt myself

[lapis sonnet]

I love old lore, but the fact and the matter is that AS is canon and the books are not. We just need to accept that

[lapis sonnet]

This is how I treat it and it's the best way

[cold gull]

Exactly

[lapis sonnet]

no point in dwelling on the past

whats gone is gone

[snow mauve]

I'm still not gonna accept it even though it's pointless

[lapis sonnet]

I say to just be optimistic of what we have coming

the new content and such

[cold gull]

I totally agree

[lapis sonnet]

and if you don't like how Alex changed HN1 lore, that's a shame

[cold gull]

I can relate

[lapis sonnet]

opinions are opinions and ofc old lore was better, but whats canon is canon.

[snow mauve]

I actually don't like what he did, it was already great before retcon imo

[lapis sonnet]

I agree tbh, I do like new lore but old lore was far better. I am just bringing this up because Mouse was bringing opinions into what is and isn't canon. The fact and the matter is that what's canon is canon and fact is fact.

And the fact is Alex is a trusted source since he's basically in charge of the new story, whether ya like it or not

[strange lance]

Alex can't even get his own new lore right

There's so many contradicitions and inconsistencies

[lapis sonnet]

How

[snow mauve]

Act 3 being real go brrrrrr

[lapis sonnet]

that's not really an inconsistency

or a contradiction

[snow mauve]

Kidnapping stare hahaha..

[lapis sonnet]

is this unrelated to the convo or are u saying this is a inconsistency/contradiction?

[snow mauve]

Unrelated

Also just to remind y'all how pathetic AS is doing

[lapis sonnet]

ohh ok

[snow mauve]

damn Mouse is making a whole paragraph..

[lapis sonnet]

of all the inconsistencies

im excited to break it down tho, im bored

[snow mauve]

Same

[strange lance]

How does HnVR and the AS happen, while HN2 also happens since every variation or Ted's house is real. How is the AS school the same as the dlc school, how do the kids intetact/see Quentin in the AS despite never seeing him in the game, how is Ted able to get the museum keys despite everyone already having them, how do Quentin and Trinity have these odd nightmares and halluncinations despite not having any reason to. How is Ted able to build act 3 without anyone noticing or hearing until morning, why is everyone except the police seemingly ok with that, how are hn2 and the AS in the same canon despite literally not mixing at all. And most importantly, how did Ted's car survive an explosion in the AS.

Shall I go on?

[snow mauve]

Sure, I'm bored

[lapis sonnet]

1. There's no inconsistency between HNVR and the AS yet since it isn't out yet, but HNVR is gonna be around episode 6

[strange lance]

And how do you know that

[lapis sonnet]

Because episode 6 is when they go to rescue him and that's literally the whole plot of HNVR

[strange lance]

Ok but you're ignoring what my point was

Which was about the house

[lapis sonnet]

Ohh

okay so

For hn2 at least, according to the AS it should be the act 3 house. Now we don't have a concrete answer to this plot hole but we can assume it was for gameplay reason, I mean remember what happened last time the neighbor's AI was put in the act 3 house

as for HNVR it could be a similar reason

[lapis sonnet]

as for the question about Quentin, for all we know they won't interact with him. I mean the first episode that takes place when hn2 takes place (ep 7) has nicky go to mayak, as Alex has said the AS happens in the background to add additional information

[strange lance]

That's kinda lame

Why does AS get mayak

[lapis sonnet]

bc why not

[strange lance]

And not hn2

[lapis sonnet]

i hope hn2 gets mayak at some point

[strange lance]

It's like all the important stuff was just shoved away into the cartoon

Cause why not

[lapis sonnet]

We dk how peterson gets into the museum but he could've simply picked some locks for all we know, that's the first plot hole your probably right about

[strange lance]

In my big list eventually I just started pointing it's stupid plot points

[snow mauve]

Doubt it tbh

[lapis sonnet]

yeah probably wont happen but

anyway

[strange lance]

Why does Ted's interior change literally every frame

[lapis sonnet]

as for quentin and trinity getting nightmares, it makes sense. if u are referring to trinity's nightmare in AS ep 2, I mean it was literally after the night she got chased by him, as for Quentin he gets the nightmares the deeper he goes into the case

[lapis sonnet]

in the AS? not really

the interior isn't too accurate to the games

[strange lance]

My biggest gripe has to be the school

It's such a indicator they had no idea what to do

[lapis sonnet]

elaborate on how the DLC school is the AS school

I don't see too much of a difference

[strange lance]

Well for one the AS one used to be red. But then they realized they said the game and cartoon were connectes so they made it blue and gave it the broken clock. The website says the AS school closed due to an explosion which is true, but it shows the DLC school next to it. They're trying to say they are the same school which does not work

They also have different principals

And both schools close for different reasons

Idk why they did this

[lapis sonnet]

different reasons?

they both close because of an explosion

[strange lance]

Have you played the DLC school because there is no explosion. The DLC one closed because of the children going missing, you see the janitor go crazy as he replaces them all with fakes. The AS closes due to the lab explosion

And again, different principals

[lapis sonnet]

the only thing ur right ab is the different principals

but for all we know by the time hn2 happens in the AS, maybe the principals switch

we dk yet

[shell gull]

True

[strange lance]

They are altering already stated lore which is annoying

[snow mauve]

My brain hurts

[shell gull]

Since it’s rumored the Current one in AS goes missing

[lapis sonnet]

or maybe she gets killed in the explosion too

[strange lance]

Why make the DLc school in game close for a different reason but then immediately make it the AS school

[shell gull]

It didn’t

[lapis sonnet]

its not for a different reason

[shell gull]

They both closed for same reason

[lapis sonnet]

says on the website for an explosion

[strange lance]

Omfg

[shell gull]

The lore, is that the Principle goes crazy, after the school closes.

[strange lance]

Did you even read

Did you even play?

[shell gull]

Then explain Archives

[lapis sonnet]

but your wrong bc there was an explosion, it literally says on the RBB archives website.

[shell gull]

Yes

[strange lance]

The archives is shit

That's what it is

[lapis sonnet]

its fact

so

L

[shell gull]

💀

[shell gull]

Agreed

[strange lance]

It's blatantly changing already stated lore in the same new lore what

[lapis sonnet]

that sux lol

[shell gull]

Quentin and M.J. Being fate clones out the bin I guess

[lapis sonnet]

thats the reality of what is happening

[lapis sonnet]

how

[shell gull]

M.J. Looked for the truth, he gained the different evidence and pinned it together, it eventually lead him to go missing.

Quentin followed his footsteps, and found out the same things and got the evidence before getting knocked out cold and going missing.

[strange lance]

So tell me. Are you gonna follow what the wesbite tells you or what the actual DLC shows you. Both tell different things.

[snow mauve]

Flammable guy

[lapis sonnet]

yes u just said thats in the bin

[lapis sonnet]

i know but it could affect her too

[shell gull]

Cuz of what Mouse said

As a joke

[lapis sonnet]

i see

[lapis sonnet]

barely

lets be honest

he couldve gone crazy for both reasons

[strange lance]

Show me the explosion in the DLC

[lapis sonnet]

missing kids and explosion

[lapis sonnet]

they don't show it bc by then the fire is put out

[shell gull]

Bro they don’t, the Principal went crazy after all the children staying home after the incident.

[lapis sonnet]

all there is, is the damage

[lapis sonnet]

thats why he made fake ones!

[shell gull]

Yeah

[strange lance]

Go to the lab in the dlc and show me the damage

[shell gull]

The lore is he’s a lunatic

[shell gull]

Whatever happened to gameplay isn’t canon.

[lapis sonnet]

exactly, like the act 3 house thing

what else did u want me to debunk

[fiery otter]

mouse it's not worth talking about new lore with sh1mp

[strange lance]

True

[pale urchin]

Imagine if Alex sees this and replies your comment with AS teasers

[shell gull]

Also that was made by Steam Wool, I don’t think they give a shit about making the gameplay lore accurate.

[lapis sonnet]

oh yeah

[fiery otter]

tB doesn't care about making current lore accurate to old lore either

[shell gull]

Yup

Anyways

[fiery otter]

us debating over new lore is exactly what Alex and his "world class writers" want us to do

[shell gull]

I’m gonna leave the chat

👋

[strange lance]

Bye

[snow mauve]

Bye

[fiery otter]

so we shouldn't talk about it

[pale urchin]

This whole thing just loses my braincells ngl

[lapis sonnet]

so Ted doesn't build the act 3 house overnight, it's going to be over the course of months and is done to prevent nicky from escaping. we know this because alex said something like "how do you think nicky is gonna react when hes rescued after months" and we know nicky is getting rescued in ep 6

[pale urchin]

The lore is just hella confusing

[snow mauve]

Bruh I bet in AS he built the act 3 house under 1 day

I mean I'm just assuming each episode is like a day

[pale urchin]

Hes speedrun on building the whole house but loses the kids entirely in 1 second after seeing them

[snow mauve]

Lego commercials

[strange lance]

That still makes 0 sense. No one saw him building this giant house at all?

And only once it was finished they did

Uh huh

Anyway I gtg do better things

Cya

[snow mauve]

Bye

[pale urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/844049272998592512/1106038379214278807/Screenshot_20230510-190408_Chrome.jpg

[cold gull]

Maybe the current one in AS dies at some point, i see people complaining of AS as if they had already seen it, we'll have to wait till they air the coming episodes

[cold gull]

There exists AS teasers with an explosion in it

[strange lance]

Yes I know did no one read what I said

I know the AS one closes cause of a explosion

We see it

BUT if you use your eyes and look around the dlc school, you will get environmental storytelling telling youchow this school closed and the principal went insane.c

[cold gull]

I don't bother to, i think You are over hating AS a lot, i'd suggest just to wait for episodes to release, maybe it isn't that bad

[strange lance]

I'm not hating the AS entirely for it's story, it's a unique spin on the already exisiting lore, my problem is how inconsistent it is with itself, and how it replaced years of already established lore

[fiery otter]

95% of AS criticism is justified

[strange lance]

Also the story itself actually is kinda lame. It's so fast paced and odd

Trinity moves in and immediately gets a fear of Ted

[fiery otter]

it's trying so hard to be the next gravity falls and is failing miserably

[strange lance]

Yeah

[cold gull]

Probably, at least now

Maybe it gets better

[strange lance]

I doubt it. Alex already spoiled most of the plot

[cold gull]

I don't want to asume anything, but i remain optimist