lore-discussion

[cold gull]

But i'm not sure

[silver vine]

no

according to me, taxidermist is def not a cultist

[unkempt sleet]

Otto doesnt really have a connection to the cult other than the key, and that key is in a safe that's buried on his yard, so he might not even be the one buried it there

[silver vine]

plus, judging all the interviews he gave to the banner, its clear that hes trying to expose the cult

just like how Adelle and Roger tried to by befriending Darby

[unkempt sleet]

He's more of a town's conspiracy guy, than a member of a cult

[silver vine]

exactly

the place he lives is also pretty separated from the town

just like Ryland from the books

she lived in an underground bunker as she feared the cult

[teal imp]

he is friends with MJ

who the cult got rid off

I doubt otto is a cultist

[fiery otter]

I believe he has raven statues and eye pictures around his house, correct me if I'm wrong

[unkempt sleet]

I'm pretty sure he doesnt have raven statue in his house

let me check

Nope, He doesnt have any raven statue or eye picture in his house

[teal imp]

I feel like I would have remembered that

anyway I expect this sort of stuff from the mayor

[fiery otter]

that's strange
At the beginning of the game in Quentin's cluebook, the places that are marked as suspicious are Ted's house, otto's house, and the museum

Ted's house has raven statues and eye portraits for some strange reason, the museum has FP shrines everywhere, but Otto has nothing

gerda has a raven statue and eye portraits, and the mayor has an entire secret FP room

[tame quartz]

which book

[unkempt sleet]

It was the puzzle master iirc

[tame quartz]

do you know what chapter or page

I never really liked puzzle master

[unkempt sleet]

Nope, I dont remember that

[tame quartz]

okay that’s fine

thanks!

[cold gull]

Okay, my bad, thanks for making it clear

[silver vine]

the think is

he does NOT

he does NOT have crow statues or eye paintings or golden apples

[fiery otter]

someone already told me he doesn't

[silver vine]

while Gerda has a couple of crow statues

which means she is a cultist

[fiery otter]

What's the point in reviving this discussion if you know it's already been resolved?

[silver vine]

I wasnt sure if you saw or not

[silver vine]

thats cuz Otto is suspicious

he lives in isolation

and has a gun

ofc any normal person will be suspicious of him

but the thing is, he knows about the cult

according to Darby, everyone who knows about the cult are in danger of getting killed

[teal imp]

where is that clip from?

[unkempt sleet]

The clip that says "Kid, I'm the Mayor of Raven Brooks"?

[teal imp]

is the scout being missing canon or is this an oversight?

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think we know anything about that

[wicked heath]

its actually an alpha kid, but whatever

[strange lance]

erm well acksually SN uses that poster for scout so it's scout now

But I do think this is just an oversight

[silver vine]

maybe scout dies in AS?

[wicked heath]

she was going to 910 in friendly court to sell cookies and didnt notice the beartrap

[teal imp]

wait a second

Ivan Torre...

Iven tor

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[teal imp]

inventor

all the other kids get unique name but Ivan gets to be an anagram?

[wicked heath]

u figured it out now?

[teal imp]

im not an AS enthusiast

[unkempt sleet]

Its not so hard to figure out, you dont need to be an AS enthusiast

[thin wadi]

Finch is the scout

Scout Finch sounds similar to one of the main characters in to kill a mockingbird

I doubt this is intentional though

[teal imp]

delroy is just delroy?

[teal imp]

I have been trying to avoid the AS as much as possible

[fiery otter]

It would be cool if it was intentional

[teal imp]

you are giving the AS writers too much credit

[thin wadi]

It would

[shell gull]

Well he isn’t actually wrong half of the doors led to odd places sometimes

[teal imp]

if I knew how to model and make mods for hn2 I would add in Nicky`s house

words cannot describe how the green houses pisses me off

[shell gull]

Well they did say it was a turquoise green color, I’d like it if they brought the HND and AS house as the house IMO.

[shell gull]

A.K.A the Nicky memory house

[trim wasp]

(Ik this is a stupid question) Are the alphas cannon?

[unkempt sleet]

No

[snow mauve]

Of course not

[snow mauve]

Mr. Apple here at night? That's crazy

[trim wasp]

are the spinoffs cannon? like secret neighbor, hello engineer, hello neighbor diaries ect.

[snow mauve]

Probably but maybe not due to the Animated Series retconning the original lore

[trim wasp]

ok. are the books cannon, or anything like that?

[snow mauve]

Yeah they used to be cannon

Now it's not anymore

Because the Animated Series changed most of the story

[trim wasp]

oh

[shell gull]

Some are, HE is, SN is but it’s the Kids imagination of a plan, HND is supposedly Canon even though the Memories are from the Book Canon.

[pale urchin]

The comment you made was 6 PM for me

[snow mauve]

It’s 11pm for me rn

Haven’t slept yet 🙂

[pale urchin]

Oh 😭 its schools days tho

[snow mauve]

Eh I don’t really care

Non of my concern

I already suffered school days anyway

But only few weeks left till school is finally over

[stiff spire]

5 weeks until my summer break

june 1st is when I leave

[trim wasp]

Are the weird Unrealengine missing script things and the cube the appears after 10 mins cannon?

[unkempt sleet]

Error World is part of a different storyline

[teal imp]

I got pinged

[trim wasp]

Diffrent!?!?

[silver vine]

yes all the games are canon

the only thing not canon in the franchise are the alphas/demos and now, the books

all the rest are canon

[trim wasp]

so what about error world?

[silver vine]

no

[trim wasp]

good

[silver vine]

error world is ARG

[trim wasp]

There was an arg!?!?

[silver vine]

yes

[trim wasp]

did people solve it?

[silver vine]

yes

error world was an arg

[trim wasp]

Ive been gone for to long

[silver vine]

error world arg was there back in 2018?

[trim wasp]

like i said

ive been gone for to long

[teal imp]

Im pretty sure it started in alpha 3 with the QR codes

[austere scaffold]

Hello someone speaks Portuguese

[teal imp]

#portuguese-chat is for that

Everything else is english

(Except for the other language channels)

[ripe berry]

Nope

Trinity doesn't move in until after Mya/Mia and Aaron go missing in AS

The Books have Trinity in town before any of the other characters move in

Even Book 1 has Trinity directly in it

and that's just the confirmed part

Nicky is implied to not know Mia/Mya and Aaron

[fiery otter]

I refuse to accept that Mia is her new official name

[snow mauve]

Miaaaaa!

[trim wasp]

How did the neighbors house go from being burned down in hn1 ACT3 to looking like how it did in act1 in hn2?

[snow mauve]

That's because Hello neighbor 2 takes place BEFORE act 3

And it's after act 2

[trim wasp]

oh

[tribal talon]

Odd if that’s true how does the cycle end?

[trim wasp]

Cycle?

[tribal talon]

It was told there’s a weather machine

Like a Time Machine but never ending loop

[shell gull]

Prob Retconned

We don’t know for sure if those things are still canon

But it’s a safe bet

[snow mauve]

That is probably retconned

[stiff spire]

the luck device is probably not canon anymore most likely

it must've been replaced by the golden apple coin since they both seem to carry the same function

[teal imp]

The book reset day (which takes place after act 3) had it remain intact but heavilly vandalized

So theres a chance it wont be burnt down

[stiff spire]

I feel like the reason why it was burnt down in act 3 was because after the vandals vandalized and put graffiti all over the place in reset day they later then lit the house on fire

that's why it's nothing but wooden beams and broken wood

now

[shell gull]

No, Reset Day was before Act 3, since the Peterson House isn’t burned down in Reset Day.

[teal imp]

Uhh no?

[shell gull]

That prob what was gonna happen maybe to end it all

[teal imp]

The house was retconned

[shell gull]

Uhh yeah

[shell gull]

Explain

[teal imp]

Act 3 is in like 2015

Reset day is like 2021 as I heard or closer to that date

This isnt the first time the books retconned something

[shell gull]

We’re talking back when they were canon

[shell gull]

Yes that was the Case, but that was retconned after they Confirmed that the House did get burned down, in 2021 there was a Teaser message saying that the HN2 ending would explain who burned the house down, obviously that didn’t happen cuz of retcon, but since were talking back then that was the case.

[teal imp]

The retcon that changed the dates also made the books non canon

Reset day DID take place after act 3 before the retcons

Yoy are like the only person I met that thinks reset day is before act 3

[shell gull]

No not back then, Act 3 never had a specific date, it was all speculation.

[shell gull]

Go back to 2021 during lore chat, everyone agreed that was the case.

[teal imp]

Now they dont?

[shell gull]

Yeah cuz of AS and Retcon

[teal imp]

Ok so reset day was made non canon why would its placement change?

[shell gull]

Well AS, Reset Day doesn’t work in the new canon, cuz of where it’s based to take place after, by that I mean story.

Another thing was that Nicky had self therapy during Act 3, it was never a dream, just him rethinking his Trauma, which explains the Abilities as he learns to get past those traumas.

Act 4, was a finale battle against that trauma, at the end he realised Peterson wasn’t that bad of a guy but just grieving.

Basically

Back then

Books 🤝 Games

Now

AS 🤝 Games

[stiff spire]

if act 3 was still probably canon I would imagine Nicky roth telling his whole story to a therapist like maybe a cutscene or something but it's real now

[shell gull]

Yeah

[stiff spire]

why did they have to make act 3 canon

[shell gull]

Good Question, here’s the answer: ||There isn’t one it’s just BS||

[stiff spire]

true you're right at this point they're just going back and forth making the story more confusing

[shell gull]

They just wanna make kids watch it

[stiff spire]

I mean I understand that the AS was gonna originally go with the book lore but they thought it wouldn't do well with animation but I think it would've been an awesome idea

[shell gull]

This is why I say a PG 13 show ran by Nikita would be so good

[stiff spire]

sadly nikita doesn't have as much contribution with HN as he did before

[shell gull]

Just imagine how Bad-ss Ted can be

[shell gull]

Yeah

[stiff spire]

I want to know how the AS ends though I'm still excited to see where they're gonna bring it next

[shell gull]

The finale will be in Mayak

[stiff spire]

I think it would be too cliche but what if in the end the neighbor sees his family for the last time in actuality

[shell gull]

That would be cool

[stiff spire]

I dunno if his parents are still canon though they're not mentioned unless they will be at some point

they're probably still canon

[shell gull]

Yeah

[stiff spire]

welp I gtg thx for the lore conversation

[shell gull]

Cya

[stiff spire]

cya

[silver vine]

it wasnt before act 3

it was after

Peterson house being there is just an inconsistency or a retcon

the workers mentioned that its been 25 years since the park was covered by cement

it was covered by cement in 1996 by Earthpro in book 3

that means reset day takes place in 2021

anyway, its no use arguing about reset day as its not canon anymore

[strange lance]

Tc if people want to pretend new lore does not exist just let them

The best way to show Alex no one is happy with this change of lore is to not even talk about it

[teal imp]

so be like game theory?

[strange lance]

Yes. Show that you do not give a crap

[pale urchin]

Why don't we just ignore Alex when he comes in to show us some AS teasers while we talk about HN2 or old lore related

[shell gull]

Agreed but really?, that doesn’t explain them bringing up the Burned up House for HN2 that one time, but okay.

[silver vine]

they never?

they never said that HN2 would explain how the house burned

tho one day Alex said that HNHS will reveal who burned down the house

he didnt say HN2

[strange lance]

It was 100% Aaron

That would've been cool to see

[teal imp]

haha

[teal imp]

was :(

[trim wasp]

are the mannikins in hn1 fake? In the game, they only appear when Niki is dreaming(act3, and the basements.).

[shell gull]

Ahh got em mixed up

[shell gull]

There in AS, and they appear in Act 1 basement so yeah there real.

[trim wasp]

Yeah but the act 1 basement also seems fake. in hn2 its just this small thing. but in hn1 its huge! Also whats AS?

[strange lance]

You don't want to know

[trim wasp]

But I do

[thin wadi]

You don't

[strange lance]

Ok so get all the previous lore and story of the games and books, and just wipe it off the face of the earth

none of it matters anymore

that's the AS

the cartoon

[trim wasp]

oh

ok but is the act 1 basement in hn1 real??

[strange lance]

Yes it is

[trim wasp]

if it is how does it shrink in hn2

[thin wadi]

They just didn't make the basement that important

For some reason

[trim wasp]

ok, so how does it shrink

[fiery otter]

the devs didn't care enough to implement a large basement

canonically it's still huge, but EGS for some reason didn't incorporate it into HN2

[trim wasp]

...

ok

[stiff spire]

I remember ari said she found herself lost in the basement when she played it it was an old version I think

probably it was during the time AI trailer aka alpha 2

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[fiery otter]

I remember too

[shell gull]

You do realise the underground, is through the Washing Machine, which disappeared in HN2, but still exist in lore canon.

[snow mauve]

There’s a thing called “retcon”

[silver vine]

but its still a maze in AS tho

[teal imp]

they are in he

there are hints that they are sentient

one is drunk and depressed

[silver vine]

well, in the old lore they were sentient robots

in the books they were sentient robots who served for Peterson

Idk in the new lore

[teal imp]

seems like it was sealed off

[teal imp]

they didnt even bother to add Nicky`s house

[teal imp]

they made a model

but cut it?

they cut an entire section?

[shy kindle]

Idk, but fun fact: in hn2 there is more reserved space for the basement, you can even clip there

[teal imp]

can you show me it?

[shy kindle]

Sorry, Not rn, but I will show you soon, or you can do it by yourself, if you use a bug in hn2 demo, or download an editor mod.

[teal imp]

I dont have the demo

[shy kindle]

That is alright, As I said, I will show you later, ok?

[teal imp]

k

[shy kindle]

here:

[teal imp]

they had his house in alpha 2

[teal imp]

wth

it looks like its double the size

[shy kindle]

yes, it is

[unkempt sleet]

Ohhh i've never realized that area, I saw it but i always thought it was just the normal basement

[unkempt sleet]

Thats really interesting

[teal imp]

im going to fire alex for something

[frank star]

I have a lore question

Where is Nicky during Hn2?

[unkempt sleet]

He just escaped the Basement during HN2

[frank star]

How

Basement is completely locked up

I wonder what else Nicky did

[snow mauve]

Game design reasons

[snow mauve]

At home chilling

After act 2's escape

[frank star]

Ahh

Ok

Act 2 house

[teal imp]

damn looks like Nicky got dementia

[lapis sonnet]

hey everyone! back from my 1 week hiatus, any new lore points people have made?

[snow mauve]

Nope

Not even patch 8 gave us anything lore related

[lapis sonnet]

anybody have any revelations and realizations ab the lore..?

like realize something

or make an interesting connection or point

[lapis sonnet]

book pictures of mya in hn2, interesting...

[snow mauve]

Me when retcon

[unkempt sleet]

You should see the texture of these...

[lapis sonnet]

also i have proof HE is new lore

[lapis sonnet]

more book images

[unkempt sleet]

Some of them are altered

Like Diane's pic and Roger's face

[lapis sonnet]

yeah ur right

they altered some to fit retcon i think

[unkempt sleet]

Roger looks more like Ted now

They didnt changed Maritza though

[lapis sonnet]

yeah thats odd

[snow mauve]

Weirdly enough

[unkempt sleet]

Which is interesting considering they changed Diane

To fit the game Diane

[snow mauve]

Don't tell me HN2 is like part of the book lore cuz if it is, then this sequel is pointless now

[lapis sonnet]

i mean hnhs is new lore too

[unkempt sleet]

Its jut some illustrations from books, i dont think it means the books are canon

[snow mauve]

I know books are retconned

[lapis sonnet]

butttt hn2 takes place in 1996

for some reason

[snow mauve]

My head hurts

[lapis sonnet]

ik

but guess what i know HE is new lore now

[ripe berry]

Imma just Yoink!

[lapis sonnet]

since @strange lance was considering it old lore

[snow mauve]

Yeah cuz inventors club 🤓

[lapis sonnet]

nah even more proof

[snow mauve]

Mr. Peterson is the killer

[lapis sonnet]

lemme pull the image up

[snow mauve]

Aight

[unkempt sleet]

Whats the more proof?

[ripe berry]

Aight, time to see more proof

[ripe berry]

It's also listed when Alex was talking about the Guest and tying the games into the definitive canon(AS) so I'd say that's enough proof

[lapis sonnet]

hmm

that park entrance looks familiar

doesnt it

noticed it when i was replaying hn2

[snow mauve]

Bruh

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, We already knew that

İts the HE entrance

[lapis sonnet]

it was mainly directed to @strange lance

[unkempt sleet]

With the Goose mascot

[lapis sonnet]

yep

[ripe berry]

Alright so Roger and Adelle Peterson still exist in the new lore

[snow mauve]

At least

[ripe berry]

I'm assuming they also create new lore Mayak

[unkempt sleet]

Thats good

[ripe berry]

Just like in Old Lore

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak origins are the same

[snow mauve]

Okay I'm glad those are still there

But I still hate the new lore

[lapis sonnet]

well we know this bc alex said while the books arent canon anymore they took elements of it for new lore (roger and adelle, mayak origins, and i think the family being cursed)

[ripe berry]

It's just the appearance that's changed

[snow mauve]

Cuz retcon

[unkempt sleet]

Eh, Not much. Roger just looks more like Ted
Like father, like son ig

[snow mauve]

[lapis sonnet]

i do believe the family is cursed, but not in the way it happened in books where the luck device got buried under the ground

[teal imp]

maritza old design moment

[unkempt sleet]

I think they just didnt had time, or forgot to edit that

[lapis sonnet]

we know the cult is trying to get peterson bc of the tapes, and apparently mya and diane is the cult's fault

[ripe berry]

I was talking about the Mayak

[teal imp]

its unused so it doesnt matter for now

[unkempt sleet]

AS Mayak design my beloved

I remember i made an 3D model for that design

[teal imp]

I actually like this

[lapis sonnet]

i like AS mayak

[lapis sonnet]

lemme see

[teal imp]

but I never understood the eye

[lapis sonnet]

its always been there its a signature part of mayak

[unkempt sleet]

Let me see if i can find it

[ripe berry]

Yeah AS Mayak is actually a better design then HG Mayak

[snow mauve]

To see

[lapis sonnet]

isnt it a weather balloon with an eye spray painted on it

[teal imp]

but like why would someone build that to a weather station?

[ripe berry]

But let's not forget HE Prototype Mayak my Beloved

[lapis sonnet]

i think its an attached weather balloon

[lapis sonnet]

eh

unpopular opinion: HE mayak is trash

the purple ball is just...

[ripe berry]

I'd say it's one of the better designs for what they were trying to do

[unkempt sleet]

I found it

[ripe berry]

But overall yeah I'd say it's better then HG but worse then AS

[lapis sonnet]

love it apple!

[lapis sonnet]

HE? yeah

[snow mauve]

Oh wow that looks accurate

[ripe berry]

(I have no clue where to put GN2 Mayak on the Mayak rankings)

[unkempt sleet]

Thank you !

[snow mauve]

Put it in A

It do be decent

[unkempt sleet]

Me when someone actually built that as a weather station...

[ripe berry]

Time to pull up a poorly made Tier List and throw together a Mayak Design Tier List

[lapis sonnet]

bc its a weather balloon with an eye painted on it..

or someone said that idk

[lapis sonnet]

i feel like gn2 mayak did have the eye we just dont see the top of it

i mean its old lore and new lore, which both have the eye so

[ripe berry]

I hope Roger and Adelle aren't Forest Protectors Cultists in new lore

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak from HN2 is so popular that they made it in real life😱

[ripe berry]

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak is one of my favorite HN building tbh

[lapis sonnet]

fax

[ripe berry]

ye

So hey lookie there HN2 Update did bring a little piece of new lore

[lapis sonnet]

what?

[ripe berry]

or revealing some of old lore to still be canon

[ripe berry]

Those pictures were added in this update right?

[unkempt sleet]

I think hes talking about Roger and Adelle

[lapis sonnet]

oh yeah

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, They came with patch 8

[lapis sonnet]

anyone remember Luis Lopez

is he still in the server

the POV kid

[unkempt sleet]

He is still here

[lapis sonnet]

oh i couldnt find em

he active?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea i think

[lapis sonnet]

yippee

[fiery otter]

he went from being someone we wanted to kick out to being a meme

[ripe berry]

PoV: You go from people wanting to kick you out to being a meme on the server

[pale urchin]

Luis Lopez Lore:

[tribal talon]

I wonder what can be next for this game or will it end as we all think it should end…act 3 of hn1

[lapis sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-beatbox-crazy-gif-15899174

[tribal talon]

That’s a nice ending

The purple guy with a golden glove(aka thanos)

[pastel narwhal]

broooooooo why are the patches for console not out its only like patch 2 on xbox but PATCH 8 ON STEAM when are they updating it on xbox????

[pastel narwhal]

shoot sorry

[silver vine]

the secret recording sent to youtubers does confirm that the family is still cursed by cult and Peterson is seeking for revenge

[fiery otter]

new lore sucks

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

its true tho

[shell gull]

IMO the new cult lore is pretty sick

The idea of there big plan this whole time was summoning a Demon is cool

[ripe berry]

How do we know it was intentional

Nightmare #3 and the Crow attacking the Realtor(Who's likely a cultist) (Edit: oh, and Patch 3 tapes) imply the Guest turned against the cult

There's two options as to why, either the demon(Guest) backstabbed them or the summoning was a accident

[fiery otter]

the realtor probably isn't a cultist

her selling a house she knows someone died in is because greed is a thing

[ripe berry]

But the Pin Board in Peterson's House seems to be (mostly) about the Cultists

and the Realtor is on there

making it highly likely she's a cultist

(+ the GA Coins seem to be a signature of a cultist in New Lore and she has one)

[ripe berry]

Imma talk more tomorrow, cya chat

[ripe berry]

Yeah that one

[fiery otter]

I know for a fact Otto isn't a cultist because he doesn't have any raven or eyeball imagery in his house

[shell gull]

Didn’t I already prove that, he disobeyed the Cult.

[shell gull]

Literally has a key for the Museum, in his backyard buried, also everyone has that eye ball thing in there house, Ted has it and yet he ain’t for sure a cultist, so does the Banner.

[fiery otter]

show me the one in the Banner

[shell gull]

Well, we don’t know that for sure, that wouldn’t make sense since M.J. Had one in the Blocked off Catacomb, we don’t know for sure if that’s his but it highly was, but that theory works.

[shell gull]

Oh my god fine

Gimme a couple minutes to log in

[fiery otter]

and I'm pretty sure it isn't in otto's house

[strange lance]

i got it

[fiery otter]

I checked for it the other day and couldn't find it

[strange lance]

it's hidden in the corner

[shell gull]

Thanks mouse

[strange lance]

Also yes every location except Otto's has cult symbolism

np

[shell gull]

It isn’t a symbol of the Cult

It has to be specific

[fiery otter]

that's definitely weird
Whenever the eye portrait is used, it's always in connection with the FPs. The Mayor's cult room has it, there's one in the bakery next to the gold raven statue

[shell gull]

Even though there’s a big one in the Mayors hidden room

[strange lance]

It's either the golden apples, the crow statues, or the eye paintings. Any will work

[thin wadi]

Wait so the eye is the cult's symbol?

[strange lance]

no

[shell gull]

Ottos definitely a Cult member, like I said Gameplay isn’t Lore canon, but the story is, any lore features don’t work unless it’s considered a pet of the “Lore Exploration catalogue”.

[strange lance]

then again

[fiery otter]

the devs were very nutty when placing the eyes
There's eye portraits in the mayor's cult room and next to the gold raven statue in the bakery, but there's also one hidden in the Banner and one on the second floor of Ted's house

[strange lance]

I don't like the new eye paintings they suck

if they are a symbol for the cult at least make it look cool

[shell gull]

Gameplay doesn’t count as lore if not Lore Exploration, in simple terms.

[fiery otter]

the cult was for Bill cipher the whole time

[strange lance]

I think the best way to tell if someone is in the cult is to just look for the golden apples, it's that simple

and every location except the banner and Otto's has them

[shell gull]

That’s why the version of the Museums placement for example isn’t canon, as it’s supposedly deep in the woods.

[shell gull]

And also Keys from the Museum.

[strange lance]

true

[shell gull]

Even though Ted basically tankers with the whole place with his Engineering skills

[fiery otter]

You know what's weird? in Quentin's cluebook at the beginning of the game, there are three locations marked: Ted's house, the museum, and Otto's house. The only one that makes sense is Ted's house. Otto isn't a part of the FPs and nobody knows that Ted is in the museum

the bakery and mayor's house, despite being the homes of two cult members, aren't highlighted

[shell gull]

Bro Otto is a cult member, those marks were the people he had suspicions of being the person who Kidnapped the Kids.

[fiery otter]

he's not
He has no raven imagery, eye portraits, or golden apples in his house
And if we're to believe the FPs were responsible for the disappearance of MJ, then I doubt Otto would hurt his best friend

[shell gull]

The Museum was a connection to M.J. Since he knows he is a replacement for him and wants to know what happened, in short Quentin is a repeat of M.J. Mistakes

[strange lance]

so um new discovery I just found, the only thing Otto has is a crow statue, stashed on a shelf in the basement in a dark corner

that's it

[shell gull]

Bud, look back at what me and Mouse said, any connections to the Museum and trying to stall any evidence from it, means your a Cult member, also AS was to be showed every Cult Member, wouldn’t you know it, Ottos in there.

[fiery otter]

meanwhile gerda and mayor tavish have cult stuff everywhere

[fiery otter]

Otto is suspicious because bro has a gun

[shell gull]

He isn’t a Tavish, that’s retconned, Research.

[fiery otter]

the mayor has golden apple crap everywhere
heck, he even has a golden apple fountain in the front of his house

[shell gull]

Yes he is the Owner of GA, but Tavish was retconned, there’s no current evidence of him being Tavish, also Cough Cough…Tavish was a white guy.

Anyways

[strange lance]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just changed his race considering Maritza

[snow mauve]

Retconned

🙂

[fiery otter]

was about to say that

[thin wadi]

'Merica

[shell gull]

No proof, no shit.

[snow mauve]

"No shit"

[shell gull]

All I got to say

[fiery otter]

is his house having the highest concentration of golden apple stuff not evidence?

[shell gull]

Is AS retconning things, along with the fact anything not proven in AS means it doesn’t exist, not enough Evidence?, until it gets proven, No proof no Shit.

Anyways

Goose man

Whats its exact height

I mean

There’s this

But there’s no exact Heights

[strange lance]

this is incredibly inaccurate

it should not be used at all

[shell gull]

Also this isn’t one to one, Quentin being arched doesn’t mean he’s taller, they just used Images

[shell gull]

Yeah

So what do we think

[strange lance]

I still like the Guest being unnaturally tall

[shell gull]

I’d say Guest is like a good 6’6

In Feet

[thin wadi]

Nah

He lebron james

[shell gull]

Nah he Shag height

[thin wadi]

True

But is he baller...

[shell gull]

That’s a good Question, better idea

Who would be the best Character in the Lore at basketball?

Immediately removing the Mayor

Ted and Quentin too short

[thin wadi]

Hmm

[shell gull]

It’s either the Guest for his wacky Flexibility, or Gerda for her Height.

[thin wadi]

Gunter 👍

[shell gull]

Works with me

I’m out 👋

[thin wadi]

Cya

[pale urchin]

HN lore:

[ripe berry]

Alex to literally 90% of old lore:

[crude dew]

agreed, you literally described the new lore

[strange lance]

True!

Unfortunately people still will

[silver vine]

theres no way Otto is a cultist

if he was a cultist, he wouldnt have given so many interviews to the banner

[ripe berry]

You do have to remember the Banner's main reporter at the time was friends with Otto

[silver vine]

exactly

if he was a cultist, he wouldnt be friends with anyone other than the cultists

[pale urchin]

I agreed

[fiery otter]

he also wouldn't kill his best friend

[shell gull]

Wouldn’t make sense but ok, Ig Otto for some reason has a key for the museum buried in his yard.

[shell gull]

If it’s for the Cult yes

[shell gull]

That deletes Neilson and Leslie’s friendship, Ik there partnered but there buds too, The investors are something as well.

[fiery otter]

he's not gonna pick a cult over his best friend

[shell gull]

Literally the point of the Cult is having power and gaining control no matter what, also he didn’t kill him, from what we know it was the Mayor, and he could easily get forced too, since all they would need to do is curse him with Bad Luck, it’s so simple and yet disagreement with no evidence, what ever happened to AS showing Cult members, what happened to Otto having a Safe with one of the Cult stolen keys in his backyard, also multiple people have gotten interviewed, him going to interviews doesn’t spill him as a Cult member out of everything it hides it more.

We will have to see AS and what they got

If they don’t spill anything then that further proves it

[snow mauve]

Oh it will spill anything

[shell gull]

As HN2 was literally about Quentin figuring out the different cult members, but for some reason Otto is in there as well, hUH hoW CoMe??.

[shell gull]

Agreed

[snow mauve]

Otto in a cult 🤭

[fiery otter]

Otto is suspicious because he lives far from town and has a gun that he frequently walks around with

[shell gull]

Like bro, they all were having the same secret and that was being Cult members, wth was Ottos then.

[shell gull]

Taxidermist left the chat

[snow mauve]

Da key 🤯

[shell gull]

What 🤯

[snow mauve]

Idk 🤯

[shell gull]

Holy crap it’s a Museum key too 🤯

[snow mauve]

Maybe it means nothing! 🤯

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[fiery otter]

the key is just there because of gameplay reasons

[shell gull]

It’s literally Lore Exploration it’s in the CCTV

[snow mauve]

Hn2 was more about "saving" Aaron

[shell gull]

It’s part of the Lore catalogue omg

[snow mauve]

Than figuring out the cult

[teal imp]

im going to smash my head into my keyboard

nbhmgfvhbdhjiukhgyj

[shell gull]

Yeah but I meant the Town secrets

[snow mauve]

Well Quentin was too focused on Aaron..

[shell gull]

Bruh, Egg, this guy think Otto is a normal dude.

[shell gull]

Yeah he only cared about the Keys

[teal imp]

he isnt a cult member tho

he lives seperated away from the town

[snow mauve]

Why do I feel like MJ is just giving Quentin hints to show which place to break in to help him unlock the basement

[shell gull]

But there is Nightmare 3

[teal imp]

and he still keeps a photo of mj next to his bed

[snow mauve]

Dumb theory but idk why I thought of that

[shell gull]

Prob cuz he’s sad

[teal imp]

so he still cares about his friend

[shell gull]

He’s a cult member for sure

[teal imp]

why would he kill mj??

[snow mauve]

Or act like nothing has ever happened

[shell gull]

He didn’t that was the Mayor

[teal imp]

theres no indication that he is a cult member other than the key

[shell gull]

Exactly cover up so simple

[shell gull]

That’s not good enough

Your telling me

[teal imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1097210728148119663/attachment-18.gif

[fiery otter]

earlier you said the key was proof Otto is a cult member, now you're saying it's not enough proof

[teal imp]

gerda and the mayor have cult related stuff in their house

otto does not

[teal imp]

alex is being held captive

he was forced to fire alex

[snow mauve]

He have some hay outside 🤯

Maybe secret entrance

Hmmmmmmm

[teal imp]

ive seen piles of hay like that irl

[ripe berry]

Welp this is definitely a lore-discussion

[teal imp]

its just a normal pile of hay

[shell gull]

Bro somehow has a Key to the Museum, hides it in a a Safe buried, and is guarding it, and has been silent since M.J. Went missing, and Quentin is pin pointing him with the Cult, the Museum has him written on there, and he isn’t a member.

[teal imp]

you guys are all freaking insane

[snow mauve]

I know right!

That's why we need mat pat!!!

[shell gull]

Not what I meant

[snow mauve]

Jk jk

[ripe berry]

He's saying there being no indication OTHER then the key is not good enough proof that he not in cult

[shell gull]

Huff, please tell me you aren’t delusional.

We have to see AS

Come on Ep 3

[undone quartz]

Best thing to say now is guilty till proven innocent

[ripe berry]

• Let's not forget the room in the Museum

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-aaron-paul-jesse-pinkman-gasoline-gas-gif-17380263

[shell gull]

Let me see that old rigggid, man being sus.

[shell gull]

Lol

[ripe berry]

That pin board is clearly about Cultists

However, there is a possibility....

that Otto was a cultist but isn't anymore

[snow mauve]

Otto is the cult 🤯

[undone quartz]

Just say everyone is a cultist except Ted for the time

[shell gull]

Ted having a Cult painting left the chat, Quentin having one hidden left the chat.

[ripe berry]

That'd explain why he doesn't have cultist stuff

[snow mauve]

Even Aaron 🤯

[shell gull]

That’s what I’m saying

[undone quartz]

Lol

[ripe berry]

Even Trinity?

[snow mauve]

Even Nicky!?

Wait whos that again?

I forgor

[undone quartz]

I just feel like the whole cult is way to vague

But that's the point I guess

[ripe berry]

I just say the 4 non-Neighbor NPC in HN2 Base Game are cultists

Librarian is a maybe

[undone quartz]

It's like the trash version of the court of owls

[ripe berry]

and Rodolpho(Fan name for the Janitor) is a no

[shell gull]

Why would he still have the Key though

[ripe berry]

I'm taking into account that the safe is buried

[fiery otter]

the eye portraits are very clearly related to the FPs
As for why there's one in Ted's house and one in the Banner, I'm going to assume the devs couldn't figure out how to make the interiors look good and decided to place random shit everywhere

[shell gull]

Oh ok

[ripe berry]

He's trying to forget about his time in the cult

[snow mauve]

Well he did a poor job doing it lol

[shell gull]

You could say the exact same with Otto though, too lazy to add shit.

[snow mauve]

Cuz quing tons found it

[shell gull]

I’m gonna real quick log on and check the museum

[undone quartz]

Honestly I like the theory but besides gameplay just throw it in the lake

Literally right beside your house

[snow mauve]

Gotta love retconned lore

[ripe berry]

Or else he'd have the safe somewhere inside of his house

But since it's vague about why it's buried he could still be a cultist in the present

[lapis sonnet]

yeah no i think the coins are just there when a death occurs

[snow mauve]

The new Bad luck device!

[shell gull]

That’s why Mayor most likely killed M.J. In the blocked catacomb

[undone quartz]

Bruh what if Otto just started shooting cultists

[lapis sonnet]

kayam maybe?

[lapis sonnet]

nah it was the guest probably

[ripe berry]

The Painting of the Forest Protector's show them with a GA Coin which is why I even thought they were connected to the cult in the first place

[lapis sonnet]

or FPs

[lapis sonnet]

i see where ur coming from, i just think the death theory is more likely

[shell gull]

It’s definitely Cult, since he would’ve never gotten that Tape.

[undone quartz]

The guest hates greed right

Or is greedy

[lapis sonnet]

but yours made sense its not like it was irrassional or anything

[ripe berry]

Yeah the death theory is probable

[teal imp]

my brother in christ

he is GREED

he takes whatever he wants from people

[fiery otter]

Okay wait
if MJ is dead then who knocked out Quentin in the ending?

[teal imp]

I did

[ripe berry]

He is literally one of the 7 deadly sins

[lapis sonnet]

the guest takes things from people to make them appreciate the people in there life after they are gone

[teal imp]

I hate full game Quentin

[lapis sonnet]

so yeah greed

[teal imp]

flooding a town does that?

[undone quartz]

Maybe Otto was greedy somehow so the guest killed mj

[ripe berry]

Perhaps we could see the cult try to summon demons that are manifestations of the other 6 deadly sins

[undone quartz]

IDK what Otto could do tho

[shell gull]

So uhh we know Ted been pin pointing the Cultist in the Museum right?

[teal imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1085634372281049260/sewerman_shelter_1.gif

[lapis sonnet]

no the neighbor flooding the town was set in motion before he was possessed and a whole seperate thing ted did as revenge against the FPs

[undone quartz]

He's
just there

[teal imp]

mysterious creature

[shell gull]

With that ahem to those who say Otto isn’t a Cultist, please explain this:

[teal imp]

he is a terrorist not a cultist

[lapis sonnet]

MJ clearly wasnt killed by the guest but rather the FPs, and it was because he got to close to the truth

[lapis sonnet]

not funny..

[shell gull]

Most shit answer of all time

[lapis sonnet]

terrorism isnt funny dude

[teal imp]

thats the point

[teal imp]

never said it was?

[lapis sonnet]

clearly ur joking

and making a joke ab that is messed up

[shell gull]

What was the goofy kid who said Otto ain’t a cultist name again?

Found it

[lapis sonnet]

ill find it rq

👍

[fiery otter]

bro called me a goofy kid 💀

[teal imp]

I didnt mention anything specific that would offend anyone I dont get why you are so upset

[shell gull]

@fiery otter please explain

[shell gull]

Are you a kid?

[undone quartz]

I feel like he got to close to the truth is just a rushed answer

[fiery otter]

no, are you?

[teal imp]

if I mentioned a specific tragic event for a comedic reasons then it would be messed up

[shell gull]

Teds been fishing on some people and uhh, huh, wouldn’t you know it, Ottos on there.

[snow mauve]

Didn't he said something about he was 14?

[shell gull]

No

[ripe berry]

Lore: The Guest is 1 of the 7 deadly sins but physical.

[shell gull]

Idk

[shell gull]

Also a Entity, most likely Demonic.

[lapis sonnet]

well notice how he is a journalist and was killed in the catacombs, probably because he even FOUND the catacombs. and wouldnt ya know, the catacombs are the meeting spot of the cult

[shell gull]

You gonna answer my Question coolwing

Explain it

[lapis sonnet]

is it this deep

[ripe berry]

it was summoned by the Cultists during a ritual before turning on them do to wanting everything for itself (Greed)

[fiery otter]

that evidence board doesn't have any evidence for any characters, it's clear to me that they just threw it together in an attempt to have a bit of "story"

[snow mauve]

The retcon lore gets deeper...

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Yup, by disobedience.

He ran off from what was presumably the Cage in the Attic

[undone quartz]

Ok but with most things I thought they would go more in depth

Makes sense but still

[ripe berry]

This cult has control of the highest of positions in Raven Brooks, including the Chief of the Police and the Mayor of the town

[lapis sonnet]

oh yeah forgot ab that, i dont think ted built a cage in a few days. but also according to AS he builds the act 3 house in a few days so...

[shell gull]

Which explains why Quentin doesn’t go to the Police.

[ripe berry]

They have been shown to be willing to go as far as to kill people to further their goals and/or protect themselves

[undone quartz]

Since besides gameplay anyone with a fire extinguisher could find the tapes

[lapis sonnet]

and baker who is prob just a member bc she was saved by keith in the halloween incident all those years ago, and im guessing they became friends so she was brought into the cult

[shell gull]

Also he did literally booby trap and construct a ton of shit in the Museum.

[lapis sonnet]

yeah

[undone quartz]

Technically at least

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[fiery otter]

how do we know the police are part of the cult?

[shell gull]

Or, she saw her friends get hurt by the Cult, Neilson forced her to be a cultist, and they went on with there lives.

[ripe berry]

We don't know if they'll do a time skip of ~2 months from Ep. 4 to Ep. 5 so...

[safe charm]

So the lore is still super confusing

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

The cult stuff and guest

[shell gull]

Anyways Coolwing couldn’t answer my question so I guess I won

[undone quartz]

I would like that the cult persuaded gerda to try to help with her trauma after the Halloween case

[shell gull]

Sounds good to

[ripe berry]

It's possible the Halloween Incident was caused by the Peterson's

Since they're the only family linked to Weather like Storms

[undone quartz]

Give more specific reasons for them to join besides that there are just in raven Brooks

[shell gull]

True

[safe charm]

Do we still not know how the cult summoned the guest

[lapis sonnet]

still building the act 3 house in a few months is just insane

[shell gull]

Nope, prob whatever the investors took.

[ripe berry]

It's implied through the Museum Key, and Nielsen getting promoted by someone we know is a cultist implies him being a cultist too.

[undone quartz]

Like the cult said the would help Keith with the nog simming case

[safe charm]

What is your personal theory

[ripe berry]

That's the main evidence I can think of on the top of my head

[safe charm]

If you have one

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[shell gull]

GAC ig

[ripe berry]

#nog-simming is non-canon

it never was canon

[undone quartz]

Nevermind then

[safe charm]

By chanting on them

Lol

[shell gull]

Was a fan novel made by Ira correct?

[shell gull]

I guess

[ripe berry]

Ari, not Ira, but yes, pretty much

[undone quartz]

Mayor was prob greedy and the cult got him as mayor

[lapis sonnet]

as for the halloween incident, honestly since the GNs are canon it would be cool to get a 3rd one for the halloween incident. especially since we need more info on what happened that night, but its not worth making a whole game or novel about. a graphic novel would be perfect

[shell gull]

No he was definitely very rich

[lapis sonnet]

dude if they ever did one of those again id make a banger

[ripe berry]

It's only canon parts are the character names (Nielsen, Leslie)

[shell gull]

GN still canon?

[lapis sonnet]

yep

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

if u want an explanation why tell me

[shell gull]

No I think I would know why

[lapis sonnet]

good

[undone quartz]

Kinda like Quincy Sharp in Arkham City

[teal imp]

hn2 refferences them a few times

the 1984 safe code is a refference to bosco bay (the park opening)

[ripe berry]

It's also possible that Leslie is a cultist, but we don't got enough on him to know for sure

[undone quartz]

Do we know who created the cult or

[teal imp]

and the goose causing a car crash

[lapis sonnet]

was ab to say that

[fiery otter]

I want to believe it's a reference to doomsday (late April 2022)

[shell gull]

Ahh

[lapis sonnet]

and this might be a stretch but the whole ted-coming-after-your-camera-which-has-evidence-on-it in the intro is kinda referencing bosco bay

[shell gull]

If he is, that would make sense why Ted head bash Jrs him.

[ripe berry]

[shell gull]

It seems like Ted hasn’t found out Nielsons a Member

[lapis sonnet]

i feel like leslie wont be a cultist since hes just a deputy and rather he will get bonked bc he entered the peterson house (as shown in a teaser) and i hope this is true bc it will be an interesting dynamic when leslie finds out his boss is a cultist

[ripe berry]

That scene feels like it'll be Ep. 6

[shell gull]

Yeah, also he’s like the most chill character.

[ripe berry]

Ep. 3 has Leslie in a forest

[undone quartz]

Now that I have think about it why wouldn't Ted just break the camera with the shovel

[lapis sonnet]

yeah ik u tried using this in an argument to prove that otto is a cultist but since Keith isnt there i dont think that board is totally accurate

[lapis sonnet]

he stole the film

[lapis sonnet]

it will

[ripe berry]

Which is where the head bashing happens

[undone quartz]

But the whole cameras in the safe

[shell gull]

True, but everyone else is on there including Otto, and it is considered Lore Exploration.

[undone quartz]

Just break the camera or rip the film

[shell gull]

He could’ve just yk, not figured out he’s a Cult member

[ripe berry]

Again maybe he got confused and thought Leslie was the cultist

[lapis sonnet]

probably, and just ahead of time incase anyone tries to use this to say Keith isnt a cult member or just still doesnt believe he is one

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

there is literally a tape of the mayor telling Keith to find peterson

[shell gull]

Yeah…

[ripe berry]

and he thought Leslie had died during Ep. 3, but we don't know for sure

[shell gull]

True, that could be why he chose to search the House.

[lapis sonnet]

and since we know mayor is a cultist i think this is enough evidence

[fiery otter]

well they must be idiots because the museum is right next to the bakery

[shell gull]

In all his tasks he looks at different pieces of evidence.

[ripe berry]

Also I think Nielsen's the one to give Gerda one of the Museum Keys

[shell gull]

But that isn’t Lore exploration

[shell gull]

Yup in the CCTV

[shell gull]

The HN2 map isn’t canon bro

AS is

And according to the lore

The Museum is deep in the woods

[lapis sonnet]

well i think they didnt think to check the museum because they already locked it up to cover up the guest summoning that happened prior to peterson fleeing

[ripe berry]

and I could've sworn the CCTV showed Leslie giving Nielsen something

[lapis sonnet]

how is this true AS never said this

[lapis sonnet]

no it just shows leslie saying goodbye to keith and driving away

[shell gull]

No, based on the Descriptions of the Towns places.

[lapis sonnet]

the AS will explain all the events that happen in the background/lead up to hn2

[fiery otter]

but according to Alex, everything is canon 🤓

[lapis sonnet]

that was a joke

[fiery otter]

I know

[ripe berry]

Yeah you're right

I just didn't see it correctly I guess

[lapis sonnet]

its wtv

[shell gull]

There’s this paper, while yes I understand that Image was from the Stranger Neighbor vid, Its considered Lore Exploration.

[teal imp]

it looks fine in fg

[fiery otter]

this isn't from stranger neighbor and this doesn't imply the museum is deep in the woods

[ripe berry]

Meanwhile also the RBBArchives Site:

[shell gull]

Image part of lore exploration

[shell gull]

Yup

[fiery otter]

how does this manage to have better looking city buildings than fg

[ripe berry]

Wait-

[fiery otter]

that museum image is from fg, meaning there's hardly any foliage around it

[ripe berry]

Also Also the RBB Archives Site using the HN2 Map:

[shell gull]

No, it’s definitely part of the Secret Neighbor.

BRB

[fiery otter]

what are you talking about, your sentence makes no sense

what does lore exploration mean?

[ripe berry]

SN and SN

[shell gull]

It’s considered lore

And not gameplay

[fiery otter]

Well, the image of the museum is from fg

[shell gull]

Meanwhile the City’s in the wrong direction

[shell gull]

Let’s put it side by side

[fiery otter]

and you just said the image part of lore exploration

[ripe berry]

He's probably wording it that way bc of the Road Map

[undone quartz]

Since SN is the kids imagination are the events how they think things happened as they learn new things

Or just there for lore

[shell gull]

Yuh

[ripe berry]

This image more clearly shows the HN2 Map in it

[shell gull]

Yup it’s Secret Neighbor, the Walls are further in, and also it’s 180 from the Musuem and you can see the same Pole in the back.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

the first one you have to rely on it being from the HN2 Press Kit as proof, this one shows the Mayor's House in it, so RBB Archives uses HN2 as the canon map

[shell gull]

Anyways Coolwing still got that explanation for this:

[fiery otter]

what's from secret neighbor?

[shell gull]

Sorry Stranger Neighbor

[fiery otter]

#lore-discussion message

[undone quartz]

Are they just trying to get their money's worth for the SN kids design's

[ripe berry]

I think he's confusing SN (Video Game), SN (Board Game), and SN (Video)

[undone quartz]

There is absolutely no reason to use them

[shell gull]

Yeah, but, this is part of the HN2 site it would be really ironic to use AS instead.

[snow mauve]

Too bad it's now retconned

[fiery otter]

bro that is NOT stranger neighbor

[shell gull]

180 degrees

[ripe berry]

Meanwhile the under construction text linking to the AS Site:

[undone quartz]

Is the board game relevant in any way

[shell gull]

Nah

[fiery otter]

???

[shell gull]

180

[fiery otter]

Idk what you mean

[undone quartz]

I feel like saying half of hello neighbor in general is imagination it would actually make sence

[shell gull]

Will you answer this please, explain this:

You can’t seem to the past 3 times

[snow mauve]

Mmm glued coins

[lapis sonnet]

dude give up he wont explain it

[shell gull]

Ik its funny

[fiery otter]

Holy shit I already did
#lore-discussion message

[lapis sonnet]

coins? boy those are pins

[ripe berry]

"that evidence board doesn't have any evidence for any characters, it's clear to me that they just threw it together in an attempt to have a bit of "story"" - Coolwing79's honest response

[shell gull]

Bro it’s literally Lore Exploration, like I said same thing can be said with Ottos house, 😂.

[shell gull]

Lol

[fiery otter]

your grammar does not make any sense

[shell gull]

Why’s this such a good background

[lapis sonnet]

yeah know the image from the rbb archives sight of the museum does not mean its deep in the woods..

[shell gull]

In simple terms, Lore exploration is just Lore that isn’t Gameplay reasonings.

[undone quartz]

A bit of topic but I wondered what the hello dad plot would have been if they kept it

[lapis sonnet]

cough cough act 3 house being canon in AS before hn2 cough

[undone quartz]

Off

[shell gull]

Not saying that, but it’s old Beta descriptions said that, got them mixed up.

[lapis sonnet]

probably what it was in the beta since the beta was the most polished version of the Hello Dad story

[lapis sonnet]

okay so u understand it isnt?

[snow mauve]

We need Mat pat to help us..

[undone quartz]

I feel like most other games wouldn't hav existed

[lapis sonnet]

is this satire or what idk what matpat has to do with this image

[undone quartz]

Hide and seek would not exist

[ripe berry]

Nerdbor

[lapis sonnet]

correct

[snow mauve]

Dude that's just my honest reaction

[shell gull]

Didn’t I just bring up Gameplay not being canon but the Detailed Lore Exploration is, for instants, the Pictures of MIa around Teds bedroom

[undone quartz]

I made my own version of the hello dad plot once

[snow mauve]

And the mat pat part was just a reference to that 4 year old tweet Tinybuild spammed Mat pat cuz why not joke about it again

[ripe berry]

What about the pictures that ain't Mya that were intended to show up but don't

[lapis sonnet]

uhh yeah i was agreeing with what u said by giving an example..

[shell gull]

They aren’t there, and are they Lore?, if yes then that’s a problem.

[lapis sonnet]

aka the AS act 3 house

[shell gull]

Oh sorry

[lapis sonnet]

ur good

[fiery otter]

Proof it's not stranger neighbor

[ripe berry]

One of them has a redesigned Roger and Adelle Peterson in it

[undone quartz]

Is there anything worth mentioning behind the chained door in Ted's house

[lapis sonnet]

he already knows that the museum isnt deep in the woods

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[ripe berry]

Meaning yes it's... KINDA lore

[undone quartz]

Stranger neighbor is that vid where the house just disassembles right

The museum

[fiery otter]

yes

[undone quartz]

Ok

[ripe berry]

The fact they even bothered to redesign Roger Peterson means it's probably canon

[shell gull]

Huh weird, send a pic I find that interesting, cuz if that’s the Case then that would further give to the old Bad Luck curse on the Petersons along with the Lore Packages.

[shell gull]

Alright then

[ripe berry]

I only have the complete texture sheet on me (Bottom Left Image is the "Roger Peterson" Image)

[undone quartz]

I kinda wish they did more with Lucy yi

All she did was die

[shell gull]

Oh shoot, is that Adelle or Diane, of that Women?

[undone quartz]

But at the same time she kinda set some things in motion

[snow mauve]

The retcons!!!

[shell gull]

She’s prob still Alive in new lore

[undone quartz]

Wait fr

[ripe berry]

I can't tell if you're joking or not

[snow mauve]

Funny how book Martitza is still the same

[undone quartz]

I thought she died but it's the cults fault

Instead of a accident

[shell gull]

I mean, idk who that’s supposed to be, cuz I don’t know if Adelle got a redesign.

[snow mauve]

While Diane and Rodger appearance changed

[shell gull]

So it is Diane, bro she keeps getting redesigned

[ripe berry]

Because the image looks almost the exact same as this one from Book 4

[shell gull]

Alright then

[snow mauve]

She actually looks good in the retconned version ngl

I always find her look gross in the original book design

[undone quartz]

His diamond chin kinda intimidating

[shell gull]

Yeah, I’m fine with her in New lore, as long as they keep that Motherly Ego of hers.

Still canon

[ripe berry]

Here's a higher quality version of the image of redesigned Roger

[snow mauve]

I don't know if we will ever know because the games have 0 dialogue

[shell gull]

Yeah I see what you mean

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Diane's design was changed in the bottom-center right image to be closer to her game design

[shell gull]

I like it better, it fits that Mother look more, don’t forget what her personality was as well.

Gotta go 👋

[ripe berry]

cya!

[snow mauve]

Bye

[lapis sonnet]

yes the curse is still canon. as alex said, the books arent canon but they took elements from it

one of those being the family curse

[ripe berry]

Mayak origins are prob still the same as well

Just with it looking like this instead

[lapis sonnet]

yes since roger and adelle are canon

[snow mauve]

Add the guest there

And boom

Mayak is cool

[lapis sonnet]

yes mayak will first show up in ep 7

and in ep 7 nicky will go there

[snow mauve]

With goose

[lapis sonnet]

at least it seems like it from the teasers we got for ep 7

they were animatic teasers

[ripe berry]

and sh1mpnut and I already fully explained what the Guest is

and partly explained the Cult

[lapis sonnet]

yes, i also think this is true because alex said the guest is gonna work in the AS in a new way if that makes sense

he said the guests dynamic is gonna be diff or smt along the lines of that

[snow mauve]

I hate it so much

[undone quartz]

I'd be nice if there was like 4-5 tapes in each house for lore

[snow mauve]

He was already perfect in the books

[ripe berry]

There's just one more thing relating to the Cult I have no idea about

[snow mauve]

I'm scared how they're gonna handle him

In the new lore

[shell gull]

Yup, In short, the new lore, is Roger and Adelle and Mayak plot the same, while the Cult plot is using the Guest for power.

[ripe berry]

and that is the THEYCROW video on the archives site you access by clicking a tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ECtiyEbgo

[undone quartz]

Ted's house could be like him dealing with mya dieing and trying to keep Aaron under control

[snow mauve]

Analog horror

[shell gull]

They Crow

[ripe berry]

What the heck does this video mean, if anything

[snow mauve]

Cult is ravens 🤯

[shell gull]

I’d love for an Analog horror, but it’s M.J. And the Tapes with footage.

[snow mauve]

And cuz analog horror trend

[undone quartz]

Bro got that family friendly analog horror

[ripe berry]

I feel it's implying MJ recorded the Tapes

[undone quartz]

This is a joke

[ripe berry]

But other then that I have no clue really if there's anything more to it

Other then possibly being MJ's last recording trying to warn the owner of the Banner about the Cult

[teal imp]

His old design was better

[lapis sonnet]

it was pretty much the same in old lore

[ripe berry]

(Gordon Cleave might still exist in New Lore)

[lapis sonnet]

he represented greed and punished those who didnt appreciate the people in their life

[shell gull]

It was M.J. Like I said, M.J. Was looking for the truth and he found more evidence where he recorded it all in the Tapes, through his encounters and findings, but before he could show it he went missing, Quentin followed his footsteps.

[teal imp]

You could still tell he was related to ted without him looking the same as him

[lapis sonnet]

nah it sucked

his chin looked weird