lore-discussion

[spark epoch]

it started right before Nicky escaped Mr. Peterson's house in act 2, and continues in between the time skip in HN2

So act 3 and 4 in the first game take place after HN2

[uncut mulch]

Act 4?

And yes ik

Act 3 is in 2014

Act 1 and 2 is 1996

In the AS HN2 was also in it

[ripe berry]

Act 3 and 4(Finale) are 2017, sorry to correct you but someone has to do it

[uncut mulch]

Why say sorry

I forgot about finale

[ripe berry]

(Also we're just going to ignore that the years have basically been wiped out of existence because AS Episodes 1-6, which happen before HN2, happens after HN2 Chronologically)

(because at the very least from official statements AS happens at the earliest in 1998, and a obscure graphic in HN2 on the Mayor's Door before Day 4 says HN2 is in 1996)

So this and what shut down the Back to School DLCs School are the two biggest inconsistencies in the "strongest" canon timeline

[cold gull]

Found it

[ripe berry]

I wonder if these were meant to be hints to something or some kind of hidden ARG that's been lying in wait for h*ll knows how

[cold gull]

I dunno

[ripe berry]

The only way anyone would be able to check is if we can find out when these were added

[cold gull]

Zee tee face

Don't know what that means, but i'll keep searching

[ripe berry]

Which is nearly impossible since I don't know one person who has a previous build of SN that isn't the Alphas or the Betas

[ripe berry]

"Is it ????" is what I'm thinking

I remember Zee was used on a Warning Poster elsewhere in SN for "is"

and more recently on the event trophy for the Snow event they use "Tee" for "It"

I don't know what Face could be but it's gotta be something in Croobian if the rest of it is

I'm trying to think of what words could "Face" be here

(I swear this is driving me insane)

Update on these writings: They've existed since October 2021 at least, and people seem to think "Face" could be "Safe"

Also found this in thatchat

I think it's something to do with the Lucy Yi Event

(Here's the talk about these messages I found: #secret-neighbor message)

Whatever they are they have to be connected to the Lucy Yi Event

So whatever you end up finding has already been found

[cold gull]

I found something

[cold gull]

Omgggg

[ripe berry]

Ah that's the one they didn't get close to but still showed in those messages

[cold gull]

Yeah, i see

I'll try to translate em

[ripe berry]

Hey at least I saved you some time

[cold gull]

Yep, thank uu

🙏

[thin wadi]

oh

Hide or Seek

thats a little dark

Hide from the neighbor

or if you are neighbor

Seek the kids

[thin wadi]

"He has a bread [dayn] a disgusting [soyve], but he [nekton] please [thiwtau] toys"

?

[cold gull]

He has a bred doyn a disgusting voyse, but he taken plase withaut toys

Swapping some letters helped me getting something, but it's still weird

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[crude dew]

what do these do btw?
in SN

[cold gull]

I'm not sure

[thin wadi]

He has bread [dayn] a disgusting voice, but he taken sleep without toys

[toxic mist]

oh wait it’s bird!

he has a bird and a disgusting voice but cannot sleep without toys

also where tf did y’all find this

oh wait it’s referencing the butcher and the crow puzzle with the bear

for the Lucy event

it’s not new 😭

[cold gull]

Omggg

[cold gull]

SN

[tribal talon]

Anyone know if the penalties in SN are still 10 Minutes?

[cold gull]

I dunno, i don't have none of em

[tribal talon]

Ah

Ok

[sharp raptor]

who wants to play secret neighbor later need microphone we are already 2

english or romanian

[ripe berry]

I'm sorry mate, but go to #roles and select your platform because... well...

Hello!
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(Copied from the bot since I don't think you can use that command in this chat)

and then a lfg chat will open based off the role you picked

you can ask there

Not trying to sound rude but still, the lore discussion chat is not the place to ask for SN players, if anything that'd be #secret-neighbor

[sharp raptor]

ok ty

[sharp raptor]

ty

[ancient nymph]

at the end what happened with AS???

It's cancelled??

[thin wadi]

The Animated Series is still being worked on, it isn't canceled (though I wish it was)

A few months ago we got the 1st 2 episodes

3 4 and 5th episodes come out sometime soon

[ancient nymph]

a, ok

[thin wadi]

The AS is finished, story wise, just not all episodes have been finished and released

[ancient nymph]

the only thing that AS do is make the lore even worse

[thin wadi]

👍

The lore was fine before

[ancient nymph]

they destroy the Nicky trilogy of books and now magically Nicky doesn't lives in front of Theodore's house

[ancient nymph]

thanks

[thin wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[unkempt sleet]

Imo the AS layout is like this
Nicky still lives in front of Ted's house, while Trinity also lives there

[ancient nymph]

aaaaaahhhhhhh

[snow mauve]

Road

[unkempt sleet]

i love Road

[ancient nymph]

and with the books?? it happens the same but now in the 1st one Trinity doesn't exist and appears in the 2nd??

[snow mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-patrick-star-road-gif-19056298

[snow mauve]

Retconned..

[unkempt sleet]

Books and AS lore is different

[ancient nymph]

so now AS is like the FNaF novels??? same universe different time-line?

[snow mauve]

Technically it's now like the new book lore

[ancient nymph]

so now the Nicky books are the non-canon time line?

[unkempt sleet]

I would say Books are a different timeline
Anyway its too early to say anything rn, imo we should wait until all the AS episodes are out

[snow mauve]

It's very confusing

Now

[ancient nymph]

well it can still connect with the Aaron's trilogy and the games, or at least by now....

[snow mauve]

Well Alex (CEO of Tinybuild) now says the lore is "canon is a flexible term!"

So..

[ancient nymph]

so nothing is really canon, they are doing like DC or Marvel were they can do comics were someone dies and at the next day he is aives because yes

[unkempt sleet]

"Canon is a flexible term at this point"
He didnt excitedly say that with a "!" or something

[tight moss]

Wanna hello neighbor 2

[ancient nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-gif-20888445

[ancient nymph]

Nicky's books right now

[snow mauve]

I purposely did that

[unkempt sleet]

Just imagine the books as an alternate universe for now
Thats what works best rn

[snow mauve]

Then that would be terrible

Cuz it had better explanation

And plot was better than the AS is having so far

[unkempt sleet]

It would not be terrible?

[ancient nymph]

so now we only have to take out Nicky's books from the equation and instead put AS?

[snow mauve]

The books had better lore dude

[unkempt sleet]

Ok?

[snow mauve]

Of course you're gonna respond "OK"

[ancient nymph]

and, another thing, are Reset day and Raven Brook's disaster canon?? Then when do they happen (reset day like 20 years after, but, GN2??)

[unkempt sleet]

Its not a "ok shut up" ok
Its a confused ok

[snow mauve]

🆗️

[unkempt sleet]

Books might have a better lore in your opinion, but they're not using books for the story right now
So either youre gonna choose books not being canon, or them being an alternate universe

[ancient nymph]

it's beter to think that they are an alternative time line, because if not, it's just another thing that TinyBuild has thrown to trash

[ancient nymph]

can somebody answer this please?

[unkempt sleet]

I think Reset day and Raven Brooks Disaster might still be canon because theres not much that affects them rn

[ancient nymph]

so RB's disaster is before or after HN2?

[snow mauve]

After hello neighbor 2 obviously

Cuz Mr. Peterson is dead and got possessed by the Guest

In GN2

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ancient nymph]

I didn't know he died

[unkempt sleet]

The Guest drowned him under the water and possesed his body in the book

[ancient nymph]

that scene is really strange, you refer to the water Mr.Peterson vs Guest?

I had a little theory that was about how the Guest, when takes that girl's form in the nightmare, she's eyes are gray, and her real eyes aren't

so I though that when he does that, he changes the body's eyes

but when Mr. Peterson goes out the water, his eyes are green, so IDK

[snow mauve]

The guest took over his body obviously

[unkempt sleet]

The eye thing was probably just an artistic choice in that scene

[snow mauve]

Yea

And just to show it's a nightmare

[ancient nymph]

ok

so now Mr. Peterson is just a body for Guest

[snow mauve]

Yep

[ancient nymph]

at least they tried to make a new character, with the body of the old, but they tried

Hello Neighbor 3, you have to pick up a crucifix and take The Guest out of Peterson's body

[snow mauve]

Please for the love of god

A hello neighbor 3

Shouldn't exist

[ancient nymph]

and the main characters are the children of Nicky, Aaron, Enzo, Trinity and Maritza

[snow mauve]

What the hell..

Just no

Bad idea

[ancient nymph]

a bad idea was to detroy all they had done with the lore

[unkempt sleet]

Thats Secret Neighbor, Minus Nicky and Aaron

[snow mauve]

First off the kids are grown adults during the time Mr. Peterson is dead

And why should they care

About Mr. Peterson

They didn't even wanna go to his house nor did they like him

[ancient nymph]

it's TinyBuild, they will find someway to do it

[unkempt sleet]

What??

[snow mauve]

Bro what?

[ancient nymph]

idk, I'm just saying the first things that I think

[snow mauve]

First things of what?

[unkempt sleet]

This conversation took a stupid turn
Im gonna leave

Bye

[ancient nymph]

bye

and from where did the Guest come from??

[snow mauve]

He just exists

That's about it

[ancient nymph]

now (for me at least) is like IT, an entity kidnapping children

[snow mauve]

Well not only kidnapping children

[ancient nymph]

not exactly the same, but it remembers me to it

[ancient nymph]

children, adults, living beings

something breathes, something the Guest steals

well, we need more games to solve it, but having more games will only bring more questions and changing things from before

[snow mauve]

Yea no

The game's don't even try to explain things properly

Because the game jas no dialog

So what's the point having more games lol

[ancient nymph]

they add more strange things

[snow mauve]

Like what?

Oh spooky neighbor man steal kids again!

Mmmmmmm

The games just show the same lame ridiculous stuff

That we already know before

Yet we still don't know why

[ancient nymph]

I talked with a friend that, with luck, SteelWool will buy Hello neighbor

[snow mauve]

Bro what the hell

Are you even saying

Steel wool isn't buying hello neighbor 💀

[ancient nymph]

SteelWool could make it better

[snow mauve]

Plus what does they have to do with anything

[snow mauve]

Ahem, security breach the disaster game

[ancient nymph]

they saw the shit they made and tried to repair it, and now making a DLC with the horror that didn't existed in the real game

[snow mauve]

Yea and who cares

They didn't even try

Plus they worked on Hello Neighbor 2 DLC's and they rushed it

And just doesn't care

Steel wool are just game developers, they aren't the people who makes games stories

[ancient nymph]

now the "horror" games (soft horror) are literally make a something and sell it

[manic dirge]

nah hn is messed up already theres no fixing hn

[ancient nymph]

but it can get even worse

[snow mauve]

It's already worse

You got yourself

[manic dirge]

AS has left a scar on HN

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2

And Animated Series

And then we got a VR title for god knows what's gonna ruin the series

[ancient nymph]

for me, the only "horror" game of them that the developers really cared, a lot, of it is Bendy

[snow mauve]

Okay cool

[ancient nymph]

the images of the house of VR are just with no sense

[snow mauve]

Okay we're getting a bit off topic

Let's talk about something else

[ancient nymph]

ok

is there any official date for patches 1 & 2 for PlayStation and XBOX?

more exactly than february-march

hello??

[manic dirge]

nope

[ancient nymph]

ok, thanks

well, I'm going out from here, bye

[thin wadi]

If they make a new Game (hope they dont)

But if they do turning Reset Day into a game would be kinda cool

Or the original Hello Guest idea but that's already scrapped

[shut hill]

Im pretty sure Nicky's is on the left and Trinity is on the right

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, I kinda realized that after rewatching again. I think i need to update that picture

[spark epoch]

Why do you say Ted's house?

[spark epoch]

when does this take place in the lore?

i didnt know that that happened

[snow mauve]

After Hello Neighbor 2 and HN1 (I think)

It's like far from the future

[spark epoch]

ok thanks

[languid geyser]

yes they did. they just added too many stuff what they didnt even try at: was making security breach a full on Horror experince. and stuff that could make it that was freaking trim

[snow mauve]

Mhm

And the game is still unstable

Like crashes

Poor optimization

Bad Ai

There's still loads of issues

That haven't been fixed yet

[languid geyser]

yeah

[crude dew]

SW on their way to pull a library ending in every game they work on
except the fnaf fanbase is so lucked, they'll support them anyway and bully anyone, who dares to criticize

as for the later HN lore, that is also lucked, like
someone asked the comic story creator to do something and they came up with this weird shit that doesn't fit HN at all, but this is the future lore now 😐

Carly and the cultist thing was already weird, like
but the second comic is just NO

[tribal talon]

im scared for HNVR's ending

[crude dew]

same

and then Alex comes to chat: it is canon

everything will be canon, except the base material [HN]

last night I was thinking about, how dirty they did Nicky

[pale urchin]

Hnvr ending

[strange lance]

Considering this game was in development back in the better hn2 days there's a chance it'll connect to the old better lore instead of the AS

If not then rip

[oblique drum]

theres a reason why it got delayed..

[strange lance]

"Polishing" yeah..

[crude dew]

I doubt

[strange lance]

yeah

also considering hn2 nicky's treehouse is in it

[pale urchin]

My guess is they'll release it unfinished, announce another roadmap, and then change the whole lore to the AS

[thin wadi]

I doubt that

When they literally said they are delaying it to polish it

I also have higher hopes because this is steel wool

[pale urchin]

Ever seen their HN2 dlc's?

[pale urchin]

MouseFlash13 stated that it was in development in the "better hn2 days" meaning that It has been developed for like 3-2 years, and since they're good at making vr games, there is a meaning that when they mean by polishing, they mean by going through the same cycle

[thin wadi]

But steel wool made a good vr game before

[pale urchin]

Ik, thats why I said "they're good at making vr games, there is a meaning that when they mean by polishing, they mean by going through the same cycle"

And im referring to how HN2 was settled during launch release

[thin wadi]

We don't know how this game will turn out but my point is I have a little hope that it could be decent

[pale urchin]

Keep them high as possible, but don't buy it for yourself right away, until we find a real answer

[thin wadi]

I don't have vr anyway, sadly

[pale urchin]

Oh

[thin wadi]

I'll watch playthroughs ig

Or maybe I get vr between now and May 25th

[pale urchin]

Your choice

[snow mauve]

I still get over

How HNVR just focuses the recuse squad (again..)

Like who the hell cares about them anyway

[pale urchin]

Alex does...

[snow mauve]

Shame

[thin wadi]

No lol

[snow mauve]

Yes lol

[thin wadi]

Over 3 games and an AS the rescue squad fails

They don't even save anyone

[snow mauve]

Yep

They're just cowards

[thin wadi]

Honestly

[snow mauve]

Hell idek why Nicky was friends with them lol

[pale urchin]

Ever seen the AS, books, and SN?

This is the 4th title to involve them

[snow mauve]

Also HE

[pale urchin]

Forgot about that game...

[thin wadi]

Yep. Ever notice how they fail every time

[snow mauve]

And Mr. Peterson will course

Act like some anime villian

[pale urchin]

Thats too show that alex loves milking the whole plot of their plan

[snow mauve]

When the rescue squad is around

[thin wadi]

True

[pale urchin]

And have Nicky act like a side character

[languid geyser]

i wasnt bullying him

i respect what he was trying to say about steel wool

he just got some things wrong

they did care

they just kept adding & adding and didnt have time to add anymore horror elements to the main game, the only horror elements they were able to add was the moon, endo, shattered Roxy, and music man segments.

plus Security Breach was supose to be a small game at first before they started addin more to it.

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think you should talk about SB in HN Lore chat

Go to #games

[crude dew]

I was talking in general, I don't know why some people take things personally

try to form a controversial opinion on their reddit, you'll be downvoted to hell / kicked lol

[wicked heath]

reading the books for the 4th time for some reason

[wicked yacht]

i swear like half of your personality is hating on SW and anything fnaf related

[crude dew]

yeah absolutely, you know me very well, you actually know me better than I ever did, we talked like twice so far, but okay keep going

I was a fnaf fan since 2015 but okay

keep spreading stuff that has 0 relevance

how about you actually listening to people who have negative experiences in other communities, instead of straight up accusing people

[crude dew]

I'll soon as well

[pliant estuary]

the book characters have more personality than AS characters, AS characters have as much if not less personality as a rock

[lyric zephyr]

Still amazing how two characters were hopefully-accidentally whitewashed lmao

Great decision there guys!

[pale urchin]

Truly the tinybuild of all time

[lapis sonnet]

Everyone I'm working on a small update to my Timeline, and it should explain almost everything

Most lore questions at least (will be following the paradox theory created by @silent wharf and expanded by Me and @ripe berry

(sorry for the tags but credit is deserved

And there is a small chance that I'll make a YouTube series about it so but it would be in multiple parts, and I'd have to wait for AS and HNVR to finish releasing at some point

[shell gull]

This guy just said Act 2 is a dream 💀

Non-Lore fanatics, that think they know the lore ☕️.

[lapis sonnet]

aint no way he said that... sure act 2 and the entire game of HN1 is maybe logically and visually exaggerated (the weird platforming, the enormous act 2 fence, the whole art style, etc.) but thats because it's told through the eyes of a traumatized child. act 1 and 2 is NOT a dream, just exaggerated through the eyes of nicky

all they gotta do is check my timeline 😴

[shell gull]

Right, just like the wacky buildings, it’s all Nicky’s imagination of things.

[lapis sonnet]

yep

[shell gull]

I miss the old idea of Nicky being a wanderer

I hope they bring that back in AS

[lapis sonnet]

in the HN1 remake this will most likely be changed but also the remake could have story changes to perhaps better fit the AS, and if you're following the paradox theory then HN1 is still canon

[lapis sonnet]

most likely won't but again, if u want to take alex's joke literally "everything is canon" and follow paradox theory then that is part of nicky's character, just not in the most recent timeline

following that makes books still canon just not the same timeline

[shell gull]

Maybe there multiple scenes of Nicky’s parents telling him to stop wandering, and maybe a flashback to his supermarket incident with his grandma and it brings it up, maybe before he breaks in, but he doesn’t listen.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

that could be possible and interesting

I'm in the process of making the paradox theory easier to understand rather than "everything is canon lmao"

so I know when there is a loop that's started/timeline reset, now I just need to put everything in chronological order

so we know the first timeline must include HE because that's when the paradox is created

and although not confirmed its highly likely and implied Reset Day has a Timeline Reset shortly after it ends

[shell gull]

That was already made, it’s called the Full Timeline concept, you grab all lore bits and mismatch it, such as in Books: Nicky was friends with Aaron’s me broke in to find out what happened to him AS: Nicky doesn’t know Aaron and is breaking in to prove Ted is a Killer
FTC: Nicky Is friends with Aaron and is breaking in to prove Ted is a killer

[lapis sonnet]

yep and I'm working on an improved version of that, and also explaining plot holes like the ones u mentioned by using the Paradox Theory

ill most likely turn it into a video series to make it even simpler

[shell gull]

Gotta go

[lapis sonnet]

K cya

[young kayak]

please post in #media , self-promoting is not allowed except in this mentionned channel

[lapis sonnet]

K sorry, wasn't exactly trying to self-promote I'm just making sure people know where to find the series when it's complete

but I will switch it over

[lapis sonnet]

If you want info on this go to #media to see

[young kayak]

ty

post your message with the link
text alone will be removed

[lapis sonnet]

done

[wicked heath]

50% of this server

[lapis sonnet]

yeah a large portion is very young HN fans

that know nothing about the lore except like error world

they rarely know that the books exist

New Theory! if you follow the paradox theory, the timeline has reset maybe 2 times (HE and Reset Day) so what if every time the loop resets, Mr. Peterson gets a white streak in his hair?

In what I'm assuming is the first timeline (games not counting HNVR and HN2) which includes HE (which is when the paradox is started) the neighbor has a full head of brown hair

then after the reset, in the book timeline, while it's not on the cover of GN1 and the books we can assume besides the cover he does have a white streak since he does in GN2, and besides the reset day cover in the actual book we don't see mr peterson since he's the guest

then we can assume after reset day the paradox happens again, and resets the story to the current timeline (retcon timeline) where in HN2 and if u check the trailer of HNVR Mr Peterson has 2 white streaks of hair

AS is either part of this timeline or a diff one bc while in AS peterson does not have 2 streaks, he does have 1 thick one.

idk just a cool theory

[lapis sonnet]

heres a messy draft for what will end up being the full HN timeline, currently this draft is a seperate doc than my timeline because I needed a theorizing/thinking space. I need fellow lore junkies to try correcting/give feedback on this

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H2PWe_r_KheEbLewpuVipY_7Jc8Musd_V5_61D3sGNM/edit?usp=sharing

[woeful orchid]

act 2 is not a dream. However, its still possible that the act 2 house was Nicky's imagination.

[woeful orchid]

What is HN1 remake? Didn't they leave the game back in 2018 after a few patches?

Also, I dont understand why Rocket event is canon and how it ties in the lore.

[tribal talon]

act 2 is a distorted memory

[woeful orchid]

oh wow. Im so excited now

I bet they will use Peterson's model from HN2

[shy kindle]

I just want pre-alpha ai back, in the remake, this will be good

[snow mauve]

There's 0 chance they'll make that happen

Also the pre-alpha ai is not good

Idk why you liked it

[tribal talon]

me when watching tv all day (peak AI)

[crude dew]

I love how you searched "I'll get them"

[pale urchin]

Me when chasing down my innocent neighbor from the other side of a small house (peak AI)

[pale urchin]

Ik, its horrendous

[shy kindle]

I mean, it is good in chasing, but i would rather prefer idle tasks from hn2

[uncut mulch]

What

[uncut mulch]

The whole thing?

[crude dew]

pre-alpha AI had two weaknesses. the tv and the fact that he couldn't cool down

[uncut mulch]

What

[shell gull]

Well not anymore

[shell gull]

In the book lore the entire point of the first 3 books, is Nicky’s obsession with Wandering to places he shouldn’t such as Teds house, after all of the times people proved he should stop, he didn’t listen, and fuss the wandering led him to going missing.

[lapis sonnet]

if you did the Rocket Event back when it was a thing, you'd get a secret cutscene showing basically all the lore there is to secret neighbor. when i say the rocket event im referring to the cutscene u get when beating it that shows that the whole game was just the kid's imagination and them planning the break-in

[uncut mulch]

Reasonable

[uncut mulch]

That’s a dream in episode 5

I think so

Episode 4 is most likely secret neighbor

[shell gull]

Nope it’s actually real

[shell gull]

Episode 4 is Nicky’s break in and missing ep

[lyric zephyr]

It's not a dream
We see it in the background with a frame of Peterson seemingly getting ready to take his cookies over to Trinity's house

idk why she'd be dreaming about him doing that and trying to act nice without her being present

and the Welcome to Raven Brooks website seemingly has a preview of what the SN episode will be like

so the house is definitely real now

despite literally stomping out and destroying Nikita's lore entirely

[wicked heath]

theyve been doing that since December

[ripe berry]

Actually no, he was talking about Act 2, which has been explained by AlexN what it is

and that's that apparently Act 2 is a therapy session

Source: #hello-neighbor message

Act 3 House is real

Act 1 House is real

Act 2 House is fake

[ripe berry]

Let us not forget the image of Mr.Peterson in jail with the stolen fanart

(This one (sorry if it's low quality))

[ripe berry]

Also Nog Simming was never canon

It's pretty much just a Fan Story from someone who worked at tinyBuild

pretty sure they outright said that somewhere

One thing I noticed is that it seems the White streaks are only in GN2, HN2, AS, and HNVR, I don't remember them anywhere in GN1

There's no excuse he wouldn't have them unless GN1 is a part of timeline #1 AND a part of timeline #2, and that the version the book shows is timeline #1

[ripe berry]

Visual Version of luke.org's timeline (except I made it work with confirmed info (I.E. changing timeline placement of Reset Day))

(Also I'm just using Act 3 for "Act 3/Finale" since I don't want to try to edit the word Finale using the HN2 Logo (I mean I could've labelled it as Act 4...))

We know AS will probably end with another timeline reset but there's not enough things to create another timeline (I'm not making Neighbor's Notebook it's own timeline)

[ripe berry]

(We know it'll end with a timeline reset since Finale takes place in Mayak)

(Source: #hello-neighbor message )

[ripe berry]

But for now this is the HN Timeline under Paradox Theory

[lyric zephyr]

It was actually written by Ari directly! I talked with them and apparently they got direct help from Nikita and another dev to write it

[ripe berry]

I never said it wasn't Ari

I just couldn't remember for sure that it was

[lyric zephyr]

Oh gotcha

[ripe berry]

I mean Ari did work at tinyBuild

and that's all I said about who made it

[lyric zephyr]

Dude I wasn’t like trying to call you out or anything I was just saying it was Ari who wrote it

[ripe berry]

Ok (Sorry it's hard to tell sometimes)

[ripe berry]

If there's anything that disproves the theory then I'd like to hear it so changes can be made

[strange lance]

You're looking way too far into this imo. It's as simple as there just being 2 timelines. The original one with all the games and books and original hn2, and the NEW one with hn2 fg and the AS. You can't really "reset" the timeline at HE because we do NOT know how it ends yet for the kids.

Both reset day and HE are part of the old story so they do have to escape somehow, we do not know how yet

I'll make my own visual of this

[shell gull]

Does anyone have a link to when Alex said Act 2 is what episode and when Nicky breaks in

And also when SN is

[ripe berry]

Episode 6 is Act 2, SN starts on Episode 4 and ends on Episode 6, Act 1 is Episode 4

Now let me get the sources

Act 2 being Episode 6: #hello-neighbor message

[shell gull]

Thank you

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor Episode 4: #hello-neighbor message

and for Act 1 being Episode 4

Well

we have a image AlexN placed in Episode 4 with Nicky and Episode 4 is also SN

#hello-neighbor message

[shell gull]

Thank you

[strange lance]

Here's my timeline, forgive my lack of graphic design lol. I think you're taking HE's lore out of proportion, it's not as complicated as you guys are making it, not to mention it's not even done.

[ripe berry]

Also technically I was just creating a graphical version of someone else's timeline

[strange lance]

Ik, It was directed at them, and others who think the same

HE's lore is quite simple if you take a step back

[ripe berry]

"HE's lore is quite simple if you take a step back" still typing 7 minutes later (I know it's probably for a different reason but still)

[strange lance]

The kids go to the park, Ted is already experimenting with time travel, not time loops. If it was a timeloop, that would make 0 sense, because his final goal in HE is to send something back in time, or, in the kid's cases, to another world, not to loop the park. He himself is not shown to have actually gone back in time himself, because he never perfects the formula. Shown throughout the game he's constantly trying to send mannequins and other objects back but it never works, he's able to send the kids to another world, but not back in time. Also throughout the game Ted is seen drawing power in different ways to power the Observatory, he is using Mayak's lightning to power the Observatory. The kids are now trapped in this small pocket world, aka the sandbox, after Ted drew enough power to send them their, we do not know how the kids get out yet because the game is still getting more content for the sandbox. That's why in Gn2 Ted just gives up and just goes on to flood the town, because he failed time travel and has nothing left to lose (I mean he loses control of his body lol) and couldn't change the past like he wanted to, that's when the Guest starts to manipulate him and whatnot, the reason Ted is so good at time loops in Reset Day is because that's not even him, that's just the Guest controlling him body. Also, both Reset Day and HE have the time pits that appear in the ground, unfortunately we have no idea what these do D: going into a pit in game kills you. Also the mannequins have some sort of sentience as they are seen "dead" with chalk in their hands.

Ok maybe it isn't as simple lol

Does anyone have the build of HE because I don't have it on steam anymore D:

[ripe berry]

Demo?

[strange lance]

yes

[ripe berry]

Lemme load up Steam to see if I still have it or not

[strange lance]

Side note, Ted is a goofy ah villian in HE and I love it

These kids just wanna win a contest and Ted tries killing them 😭

and then traps them in another world!

[ripe berry]

I think they took it away from everyone when they ended the HE Demo

[strange lance]

dang

[ripe berry]

unless some crazy person downloaded all the files

or smth

[strange lance]

You wanna win a contest? Die by my laser drones

[ripe berry]

• Theodore Peterson (Probably), 1996

[ripe berry]

Yep, welcome to Hello Neighbor Lore

So we all agree Sandbox is another world? alright, so what are the odds that this is where the Guest came from.

[strange lance]

I think it's interesting how Lucy's shrine is in the sandbox, along with the RV

And how there's 6 seats for all 6 kids

Even tho only 4 are in game

Now imagine if we had gotten original HE where Ted plane crashed on the island and we had to play as him

[ripe berry]

Perhaps Mr.Peterson sent the rest of the Rescue Squad to the Sandbox Realm? (that's what I'll call it until we get a official name)

Or they were stupid and forgot they cut Delroy and Finch from HE

The Sandbox Realm is kinda one of the few pieces of lore they could potentially include in the AS

since we DO have the Inventor's Club

[strange lance]

I wonder how the radio tower will play out when it's added in

[ripe berry]

Remember when HN was just a simple story when HN1 and HNHS were the only things we had? Now we have Time Travel, Time Loops, Luck Devices, Cults, Demons, and Alternate Universes

[ripe berry]

Same

Also Spooky Mansion (I still have hope)

[strange lance]

One of the devs said they wanted to remake it, and the waterpark, so there is still hope

[uncut mulch]

That’s why I said it’s most likely secret neighbor

It’s rescuing Nicky

[uncut mulch]

Awesome

[snow mauve]

Not awesome

That's Terrible

[uncut mulch]

How

[snow mauve]

First off

Why the hell

Would anyone

Want a big goofy house

That was originally a dream

To now exist in reality

[uncut mulch]

Idk maybe to keep kids out of his basement?

[snow mauve]

That's just wrong in so many ways

[snow mauve]

What!? 💀

[uncut mulch]

In act 3

It’s harder to get into the basement

There’s lots of other locks

[stray condor]

H

[snow mauve]

Okay nobody wanna hear all that

That's just stupid

[uncut mulch]

Bro

[snow mauve]

To make that house exist

[uncut mulch]

The neighbor doesn’t even care about anything other than to keep Aaron in

Plus

[snow mauve]

And it's ridiculous to make a bigger house for no reason

[uncut mulch]

We would get to see more of the story in the AS

[strange lance]

Ted vists Trinity and her parents and none of them even care that he built that house

why is no one worried?

[uncut mulch]

True

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[uncut mulch]

That’s weird

[snow mauve]

It's just stupid

[uncut mulch]

So its a dream

[snow mauve]

Probably not

[uncut mulch]

Because there is no way people would be ignoring that

[strange lance]

Hello Mr and Mrs. Bales, here are some cookies ignore the big house behind me

that I built it like a few days

[uncut mulch]

How does he even have time

To build his house

[strange lance]

why did no one do anything until the last second is my question

[uncut mulch]

The size of 10 different houses stacked on top of eachother

[snow mauve]

You now see why it's stupid to make that bigger house real

[strange lance]

Like Ted goes to jail for it only once the house is done

is the town stupid?

[snow mauve]

World class writers

[ripe berry]

• Mr. Peterson probably, 20XX

[uncut mulch]

Just because he is a quick worker

Doesn’t mean it’s stupid

[snow mauve]

It totally is stupid

[uncut mulch]

Bro what

[snow mauve]

Plus I don't think he's THAT a quick builder

[uncut mulch]

Exactly

So maybe it’s a dream

[strange lance]

They took act 3, which was a big stack of all of Nicky's trauma and fears piled together, and just turned it real, that has nothing to do with trauma or fear

[snow mauve]

Basement is underground, not on top

[ripe berry]

It ain't

[snow mauve]

I'm afraid it's not..

[uncut mulch]

Even better

[uncut mulch]

Wow I totally didn’t know

[snow mauve]

Even Worse*

[uncut mulch]

Even better

And no I didn’t say that the basement is on top

[ripe berry]

did you mean "Even more lore destroying"?

[uncut mulch]

I’m saying that when the house gets bigger there will be many puzzles

[snow mauve]

I don't think the whole puzzles thing is real

[uncut mulch]

I think we get to see the keycard

[snow mauve]

But just the gameplay itself

[uncut mulch]

Why would it not be real

[snow mauve]

Because why would anyone

[uncut mulch]

The neighbor is smart

[snow mauve]

Solve puzzles

In a house

[uncut mulch]

To rescue their friend?

[snow mauve]

No lmao

[uncut mulch]

Yes lmao

[snow mauve]

I'll never understand why you like that

[uncut mulch]

What

Do you mean

[snow mauve]

Act 3 house being real I mean

Smh

[uncut mulch]

What’s wrong with it

[snow mauve]

Everything

[uncut mulch]

Explain

[ripe berry]

pulls out lore doc you see...

[uncut mulch]

Stop upvoting everything

This isn’t reddit

Plus

Why are people so obsessed with the lore

[oblique drum]

ill downvote instead

[uncut mulch]

💀

What’s wrong with changing lore

[snow mauve]

Because it used to be actually interesting and what makes this series so good

[oblique drum]

everything when the lore in question has 6 books, 2 graphic novels, 5 games and 6 years of lore

[strange lance]

would you not be annoyed if the lore that's been going on for years was all wiped away in an instant for worse lore

which they did for money

[uncut mulch]

Explain how it’s worse

Okay that’s a reason

Give me another

[snow mauve]

It's making the timeline VERY confusing

[strange lance]

They're getting parts of previous lore and completely taking away their meaning and making them into something it's not (act 3 for example)

and the Guest

[uncut mulch]

Understandable both of you

[ripe berry]

So you see that's why it's worse

[uncut mulch]

Yea

[snow mauve]

Sure buddy

[uncut mulch]

Wdym sure buddy

[strange lance]

The Guest before: Representation of a person's bad side, giving into the darkness in yourself and not being able to let go, and taking things away from ungrateful people

The Guest now: something something greed demon

[ripe berry]

Just like everything else in the show

The show takes something great and ruins it for money

[uncut mulch]

Animation is still good though

So cartoony

[ripe berry]

Question: do you like a game because of it's graphics?

[uncut mulch]

N

[snow mauve]

Em, it's still cheap looking

[uncut mulch]

Don’t you think the test pilot was better

[ripe berry]

Well it doesn't matter because they could definitely do better

not like people should care about how the cartoon looks anyways

It's better to not judge on looks but, you know, everything else

and the Test Pilot was better overall

even if it looked a bit questionable at times

[unkempt sleet]

I hate how Trinity looked in the Test Pilot

[ripe berry]

That's what I meant

[ripe berry]

You know what, frick it, I'll try to make a HN Lore Board for all things both old and new HN Lore related

(Will probably be in a Google Slide so people can add to it things I forgot)

[unkempt sleet]

That sounds cool

[ripe berry]

Creating a grounded starting point for it maybe a bit hard since at the moment the way I'm doing it I have to locate images which can be hard to do since I don't got the books on me

(The thing I put the Blue Pin on is a Luck Device)

(Pin Color means nothing)

Like here I am starting things off by trying to add as many character images as I can

(Hey gotta get the easy stuff out of the way first right?)

[ripe berry]

(Even when I release it I'll still be trying to add more to it (probably doing new lore first since it's easier to get images for that instead of having to dig through old threads trying to track down a book image since again I don't got the books on me)

You know what: Frick it, I'm releasing it now since why not?

Link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jRKnpwqrqh1NmZXwxG6H8-blf8oomOLRmyi485vXbrc/edit

[lapis sonnet]

true, just thought it was an awesome theory but it's easily disproven

[lapis sonnet]

thats one of my fav theories ive made!

[lapis sonnet]

Ty for the info, and the reason I made act 3 and diaries after Reset Day is because in act 3 the neighbor's house is destroyed but in Reset Day it's still standing

[lapis sonnet]

ehhh not correct because HE does make the timeline reset, not like all the way but it rewinds time to early 90's

[ripe berry]

There's a thing called rebuilding a house

[strange lance]

Where are you getting a timeline reset from

where is that implied in game

[lapis sonnet]

yeah but it just seems unlikely ig since Reset Day implies that the peterson house has been abandoned for some time since it has graffiti, etc.

[lapis sonnet]

HE.

and implications in reset day

[strange lance]

I said in game, as in, in the game HE where is it implied the timeline resets

[lapis sonnet]

the whole ending lol

have u seen it??

[strange lance]

I can see that in Reset day because that's about time LOOPS but He is not about loops

[strange lance]

The ending does not imply a timeline reset what are you on about lol

[lapis sonnet]

it puts the kids in a loop in the end

[lapis sonnet]

dude they get put back in time..

[ripe berry]

No that's a alternate timeline, never said to be a loop

[lapis sonnet]

are u sure youve seen the HE ending

[strange lance]

No they do not what

do you know what back in time means

Because the kids get teleported to a different world

not back in time

the sandbox can not exist in the Hn universe as a real place

[ripe berry]

Lemme guess he's taking the Time symbol and Infinity symbol as meaning Ted loops them back in time

[strange lance]

it's a different world

[ripe berry]

and not that Ted is trying to figure out how to do that and accidentally sends them to another world

[strange lance]

Going up to the sandbox in the lobby takes you to the other world, Ted created a whole dimension in the sandbox somehow

I have no idea where you get time travel from that because that is not what happens

[lapis sonnet]

because while u could say it's another world, if u mix that with what happened in Reset Day it makes more sense to be time-related. I mean Enzo and Trinity straight up escaped a time-paradox

[lapis sonnet]

???

[strange lance]

Again we have no idea how HE really ends because it is still in development

[lapis sonnet]

true keep in mind this is just a theory

[strange lance]

I say we wait till it's fully done to come to a conclusion

[ripe berry]

Sandbox Mode doesn't fit anywhere in Raven Brooks as MouseFlash said

[strange lance]

and judging by this massive rocket in the sandbox I'll say I think they'll launch out, or at least I hope they do because that would be really cool

Reminder that Ted made this world, the lightning rods are keeping the kids from getting out

[ripe berry]

Rocket Event but real

[strange lance]

Mayak can mess with weather, make time loops, can do time travel, and can make entire worlds. tf is this building

How did Ted's parents make this thing

[lapis sonnet]

how do we know that sandbox has anything to do with the ending, in the ending he teleports the kids to like a stage

[strange lance]

That stage is in the sandbox..

the ending shows them in the sandbox

you can see their car in the sandbox too

[ripe berry]

Maybe they used some Luck Devices for themelves

[lapis sonnet]

oh my bad I haven't gotten the chance to play HE myself, I'm going solely off of video evidence

[strange lance]

ah..

man if only they didn't remove the demo from steam

why did they do that

[ripe berry]

although it's broken down implying time has passed

[strange lance]

yep

I think this is the most evil Ted has been without the Guest's influence

[lapis sonnet]

so what do u think, could this have to do with a paradox?

I mean the whole timeline

because reset day still does exist yknow

and that book is very confusing

[ripe berry]

the Sandbox Realm may not be connected to a paradox but this would simply mean there's only 2 timelines like MouseFlash said

[strange lance]

It all depends on HE's final ending really. We don't know what the effects of being in another world does

Like what if they escape and come out and time has passed really far

[lapis sonnet]

can u provide the 2 timeline theory Michael is talking ab?

i wanna see what youve come up with

[wicked heath]

Spoiler: its the same as the ending from stadia

trololol

[strange lance]

This

There's the original timeline and the new one

Whatever mayak does in the AS's ending might be important too

[lapis sonnet]

hey maybe it'll prove the paradox theory right lmao

[lapis sonnet]

wdym by "hello neighbor 2 original?" we don't exactly count alphas and such

[strange lance]

All we know is that original Hn2 full game would've tied all the original lore together.

[lapis sonnet]

i just dont get it being included..

it doesnt make a whole lot of sense

[strange lance]

Well if I didn't there would be a empty space, hn2 still happens

even if we don't know what happened in it

[lapis sonnet]

I mean the timeline would be fine without it, it wouldnt make any plot holes

[lapis sonnet]

and wheres HNVR in the retcon timeline?

[strange lance]

I didn't place it because we don't know what lore HNVR will follow. It could still follow the old lore because the game started development during old hn2, the same way HE does.

So until we get more I'm leaving it absent

[lapis sonnet]

K

and I would argue that HE doesnt follow old lore since enzo and trinity are in reset day but HE isnt out and finished yet so ending could change

[ripe berry]

Dude forgor to mention Maritza being in RD

[lapis sonnet]

mb!

[ripe berry]

but MouseFlash believes they simply escape SandBox Realm

[lapis sonnet]

So I need feedback on if I were to make a YouTube series on the full HN timeline, would it be better to follow the "old and new lore" theory or the "paradox" theory

[lapis sonnet]

well HE isn't released yet so he just stuck it into old timeline for now

for all we know story, lore and ending can change

prob wont but we'll see

[strange lance]

It is possible they could change the ending yes

I'm surprised they're taking this long to finish the game

[ripe berry]

You could really do either

[strange lance]

The old lore and new lore theory isn't really a theory, it's a fact

The old lore was scrapped for the new lore

which sucks

[lapis sonnet]

ehhh we dont know until everything unreleased is released

[ripe berry]

Old and new lore could still have a paradox theory element to it by saying the book story ends with a reset creating the New Lore Timeline

[lapis sonnet]

for all we know "everything is canon"

[lapis sonnet]

I was thinking that in my head but idk

[pale urchin]

Its obvious they want to make their lore complicated, they really want the fans to find theories about the game until they retcon the whole entire lore

[strange lance]

In case you didn't know the ceo Alex said the old lore was scrapped for the new lore. It really is just two different timelines

[lapis sonnet]

well u just called me out lmao

[lapis sonnet]

he never said that..

[strange lance]

Bro yes he did

[ripe berry]

We just combine the 1st and 2nd timeline of Paradox Theory

[lapis sonnet]

all hes said is "canon is a flexible term" and "books are the weakest canon"

[strange lance]

He said more than that

[lapis sonnet]

ill do that for my series

[lapis sonnet]

provide proof then we'll talk bro

[ripe berry]

Oh boy MouseFlash about to pull out the links

(Or images who knows)

[lapis sonnet]

I believe he'll prob be right but I just want proof before going along with it!

[strange lance]

#hello-neighbor message
#hello-neighbor message

[pale urchin]

L lol

[strange lance]

They scrapped the book lore aka the old lore in favor of the AS

Which is the worst decision ever

[lapis sonnet]

i appreciate the links! I wish he said if it included any of the games but we can safely assume it did

[pale urchin]

Imagine spending so much money for the lore to where they just scrap it over to a favor of a free TV show to watch to learn about the lore

[strange lance]

np!

Alex can not run a company

[pale urchin]

He can't be trusted

Its obvious he's up to the money with those god awful games

[lapis sonnet]

thats why I favor my paradox theory since it basically says the old lore still happened but not anymore, its a weird theory but it makes u appreciate the good parts of the HN lore more

[pale urchin]

Yep, the lores that were wasted in the trash bin sadly

[strange lance]

The only thing I can pray for is that the AS mayak makes it so that AS really is just an AU

[lapis sonnet]

and the only games that will be part of new timeline is obv HN2, we already know it is, maybe HNVR, and most likely the HN1 remake thats in the works

[pale urchin]

I doubt it

[strange lance]

If the As had just been a AU I'd be happy

there was no need to connect it to the main lore

[pale urchin]

I doubt that it will work the way you hope it will

[lapis sonnet]

again there is a possibility of the mayak episode making my paradox/AU theory true

we gotta hope

[pale urchin]

Alex will find many ways to tear the favors down

[lapis sonnet]

I mean all we can go off of is that AS mayak will make it "all make sense"

[strange lance]

god the hn1 remake

i hope that doesn't happen

They'll ruin what made hn1 special

and take all it's meaning away

[lapis sonnet]

I want it to happen just so it can exist, what i mean by that is u cant have the new timeline without some version of hn1. like how is ur sequel gonna be canon but the first game isnt gonna be

[lapis sonnet]

nah hn1 was kinda dookie ngl

hopefully hn1 remake will better fit earlier alphas (alpha 2 was fire)

[strange lance]

Not the gameplay

The story and meaning is what made hn1 special

[lapis sonnet]

the gameplay was... okay, the AI was bad, the art style was bad, the glitches were bad, the lore was... okay actually

and it was just a letdown

the story I can let slide although it couldve had more answers to questions

[strange lance]

The story was simply overcoming your fears, while Ted could not

[pale urchin]

I love that simple idea

[lapis sonnet]

yeah i liked the story but everything else sucked

[pale urchin]

For a game that is all about sneaking to your neighbors house

Its simple but somewhat storytelling

Then we have this big lore that just made since until they tried to fit everything in at once

Not everything should fit in at once, unless your story is nonsense

[ripe berry]

HN Timelines (Current)

[lapis sonnet]

idk how but when my youtube series is made itd be cool to somehow include u guys

the other lore experts yknow

[ripe berry]

Just mention me I'm not comfortable with sharing my voice or face online

(and yet I'm ok with sharing my name because there's like 800 people with my name)

[lapis sonnet]

yeah i get it

[shell gull]

Makes sense having Alpha 2 in there

[ripe berry]

We don't know if the HN Remake will be a part of old lore or new lore since we don't got any footage of it so I just put it with a question mark

or any images

One can guess it's in the New Lore but it's possible they put it in Old Lore

[shell gull]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

Hm, alright I think I understand it a bit

[ripe berry]

What don't you understand

[snow mauve]

Oh nothing

[ripe berry]

(If you don't understand anything)

[snow mauve]

I do understand it

I meant it's weird having the non canon stuff around the timeline

Y'know

[ripe berry]

Yeah that's why I had the Red Arrows, so that it wouldn't be mistakenly labelled as canon

[snow mauve]

Yea

But at the same time

I don't think it's necessary to add those

But that's fine I guess

[lapis sonnet]

yeah i did the same thing in my timeline

which now that im thinking, i need to update that

[lapis sonnet]

probably will

be for new lore

but we wont know for a while ofc

[snow mauve]

Anyways great timeline you made (if you did make it)

[ripe berry]

I did make it

[snow mauve]

Gotcha

[lapis sonnet]

and he also made a visual of my insane paradox theory timeline which that one is an insane shot in the dark

it was quite a rollercoaster when i first started making that

ofc michael's timeline is clearly the more factual one but ig mine was "fun"

(not for me to make, that was torture)

[ripe berry]

I totally didn't forget the HN1 Remake existed when creating the visual version of that

[lapis sonnet]

i wonder how the mayak episode at the end of the AS will make it "all make sense"

all I can think of that can make sense is if there is paradox/timeline resets/alternate universes that tie back to mayak

[ripe berry]

(This was the Visual Version of Paradox Theory)

[ripe berry]

I mean they already made it so Mayak can create alternate universes

at least in Old lore

[lapis sonnet]

wdym?

[ripe berry]

You forgot the entire Sandbox Mode debate already?

[lapis sonnet]

oh yea true

[strange lance]

If mayak can create a whole other world it can probably create other timelines

[ripe berry]

Sandbox Mode (or The Sandbox Realm as I like to call it) is a alternate universe created by Mayak at the end of Hello Engineer

[lapis sonnet]

if AS ends up making my paradox theory true im throwing a party and rubbing it int he face of anybody who doubted me.

[ripe berry]

No need to be that petty for that long

[ripe berry]

Yeah

Seriously though how the heck can Mayak do seemingly anything and everything

Were the writers just lazy and decided to use Mayak as the explanation whenever they didn't have one in mind

or is there a reason

[lapis sonnet]

it was a joke lol

[lapis sonnet]

bc storms in raven brooks = big, and that equals = strong, and apparently rlly strong storm = multiverse

[ripe berry]

If there's a Hello Multiverse then is the Guest from one of these Hello Universes?

(Why am I calling it that)

[lapis sonnet]

he could be a multiversal being who maybe dimension-hops

I mean he already has a lot of insane abilities

[ripe berry]

In fact let me get the list of every unhuman power he has

[lapis sonnet]

bett

[ripe berry]

The Guest's many powers include: Summoning boards (Alpha 1.5 intro), whatever the frick he did in the Beta Intro, Teleportation (HG Extended Ending, GN2), Talking Through Crows(GN2 Intro), Forming from water(GN2), Possession(GN2), Strength(Seriously how can he knock down MitH like that in the HG Extended Ending), Lockpick Locks with his fingers(HG), Texting Through Gloves with those sharp point fingers of his(RD), Knowing how to create Time Loops(RD), in-human leaping(SN), and Sensing Fear(SN)

(There's a chance I forgor something somewhere but this is all the intended ones shown in games and books I'm pretty sure)

[strange lance]

Don't forget he can turn into GOOP

Now that's pretty powerful

[ripe berry]

Ah frick forgor the Goopy Gues from GN2

[strange lance]

look at him go

[ripe berry]

So I only missed one power he has

and his power set will probably only increase with time

[lapis sonnet]

yeah in reset day it shows that the longer he has a host (mr peterson) the stronger he becomes

in RD he literally looks entirely different

[strange lance]

Is Ted's body just rotting in the costume

Ted's been out of control for years

[ripe berry]

that is just a in-universe depiction of the Guest

Not what he actually looks like

[strange lance]

That's what the citizens think he looks like

[lapis sonnet]

in RD hes bigger, his feathers are covering him and hes stronger

[strange lance]

The Guest also gains sharp teeth in RD

[ripe berry]

So he does have some changes

But not many

[lapis sonnet]

no when hes seen by the protagonists he is that

[lapis sonnet]

its just bc he got more powerful and upgraded physically

(teeth, bigger, stronger, etc.)

[strange lance]

I guess it would make sense that over time he turned more into a bird

[ripe berry]

now I'll be surprised if the Guest doesn't have a multiverse hopping ability if the Multiverse exists in HN

[lapis sonnet]

exactly!

[ripe berry]

Which is true in old lore but unknown in new lore

[strange lance]

Because his costume form is just a costume, that's not what he really look like.

He's just some feathery goopy mass

[lapis sonnet]

yeah who knows maybe shortly after reset day since in RD he was already powerful, he couldve gotten even more buffed and discovered a multiversal ability

[lapis sonnet]

yep

[strange lance]

The Guest 100% just used the park mascot as his costume

[ripe berry]

and then he enters the new lore universe at the exact moment the Cult is doing a ritual making it look like they summoned the Guest

Yeah

[strange lance]

In game the statue's eyes are covered up too

[lapis sonnet]

man we are a good team for theory-creating

[ripe berry]

Explaining away the Patch 2-3 Tapes

(I'm half joking here)

I'm willing to take it as canon but I don't believe it

[lapis sonnet]

OR even better: he didnt discover or obtain his ability, maybe they did summon him but in HN universe u can summon entities from other universes

[strange lance]

I wish the thing had more of a presence, he appears in 2 games

[lapis sonnet]

also kind of half joking this is an insane shot int he dark

[lapis sonnet]

2? hes in hn1 but what else

ig HND

[ripe berry]

I was about to say

[strange lance]

SN, he appears once Ted is killed

[lapis sonnet]

how did i not know about this

[strange lance]

and HND I guess but that's solely the fear of Ted, the Thing is just fear in general

[ripe berry]

HND Shadow Neighbor is a variant of the Thing

[lapis sonnet]

can someone show me where he is in SN?

[ripe berry]

someone get this man footage of killing the neighbor in SN

One can see the Thing for a bit before it deforms into little black lines

[lapis sonnet]

ASAP

[ripe berry]

I've seen it for myself so I can say it's true but I don't think I got any footage of it

[strange lance]

I'll get some

I used to think the thing had taken over Ted and that's what the black streaks around his eyes were

when i thought SN was real

SN is down rn no thing footage for you

[ripe berry]

Also random question but what happened? Why are you suddenly new to this server?

[ripe berry]

Damn

[lapis sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[lapis sonnet]

me when

[strange lance]

I left weeks ago because I was not feeling well mentally, but I am better now so I came back

[lapis sonnet]

also a random question, but it seems that some user's names being red is bc of roles that relate to SN? what are these and how are they obtained??

[strange lance]

Imagine how different the lore would be if HE's plot hadn't changed

[ripe berry]

The Red Usernames were due to limited time roles

[lapis sonnet]

damn, the white username i have makes me look like a noob lol

[strange lance]

Because originally HE was Ted crash landing on a random island, but Mayak and the park were there?

[lapis sonnet]

oh i didnt know this, was this shown in any public build of HE?

or i just dont remember

[strange lance]

No, but in the files of the HE demo there were some images of very very old gameplay

[lapis sonnet]

id love to see those (pls supply me pls)

[strange lance]

That red hand is Ted's glove

you can see the plane in the back

[lapis sonnet]

maybe it was gonna take place when ted got in a plane crash in the books

(yes thats a thing)

[strange lance]

maybe, but that wasn't in Raven Brooks was it?

[lapis sonnet]

nope

[strange lance]

cause this is some random island

with mayak

[lapis sonnet]

who said HE was gonna take place in RB?

[lapis sonnet]

where is there mayak in the early pics?

[strange lance]

Here's concept art for HE's mayak

[ripe berry]

Time to go watch MouseFlash dig up a old image from the #hello-engineer

[strange lance]

which is very different

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/B3Ay2z

actually here

just go to this

[ripe berry]

The orb

[lapis sonnet]

were the old mayak photos from when it was gonna be ab ted? i thought this concept art was made around the time the current premis of the game was made

[strange lance]

HE would've been an open world survival game

with mayak, the park, a neighborhood, etc

things made of junk

which is literally just old hn2

[ripe berry]

Perhaps the Orb is a version of the Eyeball on top of the Mayak normally

[lapis sonnet]

honestly it wouldve been cool if HE took place where ted got in the plane crash in the books and ted had to use his engineering skills to survive and escape the island to get to RB

it would've filled a spot

[strange lance]

Why did they change the art style, this art style looks so charming and cartoony

[lapis sonnet]

thats prob why

[ripe berry]

and it's being used to gather power to power the Mayak

[strange lance]

The one we got is still nice but they had to cut so much because of it

my precious

[lapis sonnet]

the hell is that..

[strange lance]

The radio tower from book 4

[lapis sonnet]

oh

what is that HE concept art?

[strange lance]

it would've been in HE but it also got cut

[lapis sonnet]

oh

[strange lance]

BUT it is coming back

[ripe berry]

Radio Tower from Book 4 cover my beloved

[strange lance]

eventually

[lapis sonnet]

oh yesss i remember that

[strange lance]

Engineer neighborhood

[lapis sonnet]

yeah this wasnt RB

and the old mayak maybe wasnt even supposed to be mayak

just another crazy storm-controlling weather station obv /j

[ripe berry]

Mr.Peterson singlehandedly recreating Raven Brooks on a deserted island:

[strange lance]

biggest lost

Ted's base

[ripe berry]

R.I.P. Ted's Base, 2020-2020

[lapis sonnet]

lmao

[strange lance]

Why did everything in fg HE just become..wood. Like everything is just wood planks and cardboard

0 variety

[lapis sonnet]

idk lol

[wicked heath]

cus children

[strange lance]

I feel bad for the mannequins

[buoyant arrow]

Look at how they massacred my boys

[lyric zephyr]

I wish we got the Neighbor Survival Game that HE was originally gonna be

[strange lance]

same

[glacial whale]

Personally glad it’s gone but I still wish HE just didn’t exist to begin with

[pale urchin]

Never heard its original plan

[pale urchin]

Hn1 😭

[lyric zephyr]

Well apparently there's like prototype screenshots and early concept arts released by the artists of gas masks, playing as the Neighbor holding a wrench, etc

Survival game stuff

[pale urchin]

Interesting

Although we do have something related with secret neighbor

Although it isn't survival

You have to survive from the neighbor

[crude dew]

I'm re-reading some parts of the books and I'm literally screaming
it's full of random names, people who are UNIMPORTANT

[tribal talon]

plot twist
they are going to be the new characters in hello neighbor2..

[crude dew]

oh god no
please no
nonononoooo

[lyric zephyr]

Working on my own story rewrite again, starting from the beginning

[lyric zephyr]

basic summary for my rewrite

[lyric zephyr]

Updated and some other entires for other characters

[crude dew]

you guys should drop the Gershowitz name 😦 that probs belonged to the old one...you know, the one
this new one has nothing to do with the old 😭

[lyric zephyr]

I’m using it because, it’s my version of the story and I’m making him closer to HG Quentin lol

[hazy slate]

Quentin honestly could work as Ike's son that got taken out of Raven Brooks due to a divorce and Ike losing a custody battle.

[cedar merlin]

I kind of see it as Quentin being Ike's younger brother or something

[lyric zephyr]

I don’t really see them being blood related, just Quentin being a parallel to Ike like how The Mayor is a parallel to Tavish

Not the same character but a similar role

[crude dew]

ok
....

[crude dew]

yeah, the closest thing is, they could be siblings
twins, actually
so it'd be explained, why did they....do everything what they did, during game development

[crude dew]

there's literally so many possibilities with the characters and TB uses none of these

[shell gull]

HG Quentin was supposed to be Ike

[lapis sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QsIc7oliZeAWVmP-HLDOGB-qzrKNCTkNW8TObTk9bKw/edit?usp=sharing

Updated version of my HN timeline and will probably be one of the last ones I do

Tomorrow I will decorate it since I basically had to scrap the whole thing

Night

[crude dew]

yeah
and then bro was just killed off

[crude dew]

BUT
in my AS plot, he gets the spotlight he deserves.

[safe charm]

Hi

[shell gull]

What’s up

[snow mauve]

The loreeeeeee