lore-discussion

[tribal talon]

his name is the vistor tho

[ivory tapir]

well he is also called the guest

[tribal talon]

ok

[ripe berry]

In official media, it's the Guest or the Raven Man

it's only called the Visitor by the files

[shell gull]

The visitor was it’s file name, his actual name across books and official story, is the guest, crow man and Raven man.

[tribal talon]

raven man is better then crow man crow man is kinda lazy

[tribal talon]

and thanks for telling

[shell gull]

Your welcome

[wicked heath]

@ripe berry i saw a notification from you, but i dont see any comments on yt. You were saying smth about act 2 being rewritten?

[safe charm]

I really don’t understand the opening to hn 2. Like why does the police not arrive to the neighbors house until after Quentin gets knocked out.

[lyric zephyr]

Who called the police? Why did they show up?

[safe charm]

Nicky

[lyric zephyr]

Clearly Nicky hasn't escaped yet I guess, since Quentin never actually sees him escape despite being in front of the house when Aaron escapes (which would be around the same time as Nicky)

[safe charm]

Yea I guess

And why is the guest there

[lyric zephyr]

To make Quentin crash I guess

[safe charm]

Do we get any clues about the guest in the game not counting the tapes ?

[lyric zephyr]

Nope

No idea

Time restraints or they just didn't want to I guess idk

[safe charm]

I’m so interested to know more about the guest

[safe charm]

Why do you think he’s outside Quentin’s office after the beginning ?

[lyric zephyr]

No idea, I guess maybe spying on him?

[safe charm]

Also does Quentin teleport home

He keeps waking up

In his bed ?

[crude dew]

wdym, this is after the moment Nicky escapes
Quentin is just blind, he always looks in the wrong direction

police was probably receiving, like 20 calls about Peterson daily, so they finally decided to check?...

[safe charm]

How long is it after ?

[crude dew]

Aaron literally breaks some glass to escape as well (act 2 ending) and Neighbor runs after him to catch him

[safe charm]

Also who took Quentin home ?

[crude dew]

plus Quentin doesn't give a damn about Nicky in the story

in the beginning? Peterson, who else
there is no other person (when his head is bandaged, that's what I mean, that scene)

I mean, logically it should be the way I said it. but then....we'll see :/

because I just found a possible problem in the main chat. if the missing kids were missing 10-20 years ago, then why does Quentin have poster of them
that case is expired

[lyric zephyr]

Quentin still just does not care who Nicky and Mya are despite both being missing kids

Like he REALLY doesn't care about Mya

oh sorry, MIA

[crude dew]

*Maya

[lyric zephyr]

Her grave doesn't even exist

[crude dew]

mfw the story once again changed and they didn't have time to

[ripe berry]

Yeah, basically AlexN said that Act 2 when it will be redone in AS Ep. 6 will, probably to tie into HNVR, have the Rescue Squad save Nicky instead of Aaron, with Nicky saving Aaron, but Aaron's the one saving Nicky in-game because we're viewing Nicky's distorted memories after years and years (link to the start of that convo (I had also put it in the comment but since you can't find it here's the link again): #hello-neighbor message)

(Seriously I feel like this was only changed for tie-in reasons)

[crude dew]

everything will be redone....

[ripe berry]

AlexN making 500 retcons per second just to make the Animated Series:

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

Everything HAS to be about the Animated Series!

Nothing else matters but the Animated Series

[shell gull]

The authorities prob finding him unconscious

[lyric zephyr]

But who KEEPS finding him

Since he apparently fall unconscious, many times

Even inside the Museum when he gets the camera

[shell gull]

Cuz the case never got solved

[shell gull]

Bro Ted prob throws him out the woods, it’s the police most likely

Unless everything other than the final break in the museum was a fever dream

Which isn’t possible

It could also be the cultist

Trying to make it seem that everything Quentin saw was just his imagination

[ripe berry]

My main Guess is actually the Guest

[shell gull]

I thought that too since I’m the end of night 1 after the nightmare you see the guest in the bushes

[ripe berry]

With the only possible exception being the Intro

[shell gull]

Also anyone ever thought of it not being that complicated, and he just after finds whatever evidence or item he found he’d head back to the banner and just have a nightmare of that thing.

The only exception is night 1

[lyric zephyr]

But that's the thing, he almost definitely passes out each time BECAUSE of what Night 1 shows

Quentin literally blacking out like he does every time after

[shell gull]

Not really

[lyric zephyr]

Only the first time it showed the falling

[shell gull]

The black outs are just the loading

[lyric zephyr]

But still, it's really implied Quentin just blacks out each time

Wakes up in bed without that item on him

[shell gull]

They could literally just be his imagination as he figures out everything

[lyric zephyr]

If he just took it to the office, you'd EXPECT it to be IN the office

[ripe berry]

Nightmare #3 def isn't Quentin's imagination

[shell gull]

Well No it’s him figuring out the truth

[ripe berry]

There's no way he'd be aware/figure out on his own what seems to be a retelling of the history of the Cult

[shell gull]

Cuz each nightmare helps him figure out more

[shell gull]

True

[ripe berry]

If your theory is correct we might might have to abandon the "Nightmare #3 and the tapes are telling the same story/Nightmare #3 is a retelling of the Cult's history" theories assuming Quentin doesn't somehow correctly guess something he never witnessed/heard

[shell gull]

True

[ripe berry]

Meaning Nightmare #3 has to be caused through some other means, like a being forcing a blackout so it can show Quentin something, meaning Nightmare #2 would be the only one that could be correct under your theory

[shell gull]

But do keep in mind as each night he learns more about the cult

[shell gull]

True

[ripe berry]

Sure he learns more but he couldn't get details like that the GA Coins were for rituals or that the Guest was a being they summoned

For all he knows the Guest is just a cultist

[shell gull]

True

[shell gull]

Nah

Don’t forget the infamous patch 2-3 tapes

[ripe berry]

But here's the thing

Quentin never canonically plays those tapes

You can only play them in Free-Roam

Which is after the main story

[shell gull]

True but they do exist at least what happened in them

[ripe berry]

He hasn't heard them when we get to Nightmare #3

[safe charm]

So what does nightmare 3 mean then ?

[ripe berry]

It's telling what the Patch 3 tapes are telling

[shell gull]

Also the guest couldn’t be a cultist, he has conscious abilities, super speed and can jump great heights, makes demonic crow sounds, can go through objects, he is definitely at least an entity.

[ripe berry]

Quentin only encounters the Guest twice in the entire game

[lyric zephyr]

We know, Michael said Quentin THINKS he's a cultist

[ripe berry]

and neither time is it using it's powers

[shell gull]

Yes but don’t forget SN

[lyric zephyr]

Quentin doesn't know about 90% of that stuff

[shell gull]

Which the kids clearly have seen him

[ripe berry]

Quentin moved to town like 5 days ago when Nightmare #3 happens

[shell gull]

Oh my bad I though he said that he believes he is

[safe charm]

Like what is the meaning of the cult

[shell gull]

To have power over RB

And get anything you want

[ripe berry]

and we never see Quentin interact with anyone but the Nielsen/Newsom, Mr. Peterson, the Guest, the Mayor, Gerda, and Mr. Otto

and the Guest, as I said, only happens twice in the entire game

[shell gull]

True but he does know there cultist

Speaking of that

[lyric zephyr]

And also to kill random people I guess

[ripe berry]

But he doesn't know about the Guest, we aren't trying to prove he's heard of the Cultists

[shell gull]

Why didn’t Quentin tell them to the authorities

[safe charm]

Also do we know who in hn 2 is part of the cult ?

[ripe berry]

We're trying to prove if he's heard of the Guest or not

[ripe berry]

He knows Keith is a cultist

[shell gull]

Oh right prob doesn’t trust em

[ripe berry]

Keith is the highest ranking officer

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

Everyone ?

[ripe berry]

He could shut down any attempts to arrest/expose the Cult

and don't forget about the fact that the Mayor's a Cultist

[shell gull]

Everyone except Ted and Aaron and Quentin

[shell gull]

Who could be Tavish

We don’t know though

[ripe berry]

and there's no proof that Quentin ever hears about the Guest/Raven Man

[shell gull]

But he did see him

[ripe berry]

Again, he could think the Guest is just a cultist since we have no proof he's heard of the rumors about the Raven Man

[shell gull]

Right

[safe charm]

Who do you think knocked out Quentin in the ending ?

[ripe berry]

I feel like the Mayor is Marvin Stevenson (I remember hearing that to be his middle name somewhere) Tavish but as you said we don't know

[shell gull]

MITH, missing journalist, cult member like Tapps, Gordon and authorities

[ripe berry]

Missing Journalist is implied to be dead

[shell gull]

True

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Our boy is thought to be scrapped

(This is who I'm referring to as "our boy" here)

so a Cultist is highly likely

[safe charm]

What happened ?

[ripe berry]

Probably got too close to the cult

We know he got too close to something

[shell gull]

It would be cool if he was a side quest character sitting on the bench at the banner reading a newspaper

[ripe berry]

But we don't know what that something is for sure

[shell gull]

Gotta go

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Ok, cya!

[snow mauve]

Hello what's up?

[ripe berry]

Hello

[snow mauve]

What y'all talking bout?

[ripe berry]

The lore

[snow mauve]

Aight

[inner lichen]

Ooookay.

[deep kernel]

alr

[inner lichen]

Two Incidents, one overarching story.

[deep kernel]

can someone catch me up

[urban fulcrum]

its all just a dream

[inner lichen]

I'd be happy to.

[deep kernel]

so I know what yall were talking about

[inner lichen]

fan-theory

[urban fulcrum]

the as is a dream

[stiff spire]

ngl I feel like bad blood's cover was a teaser for the Neighbor Construction Project like it was gonna be canon

to the story

[inner lichen]

Missing Trick-Or-Treaters Incident links to the current story.

We've only just now connected dots that might've just been accidental dots.

[urban fulcrum]

this is a dream we are all having

[inner lichen]

now i'm just delving deep into it.

[deep kernel]

ah

ok

[urban fulcrum]

theres no HN

at this point

[deep kernel]

was 1.5, before or after current story

[inner lichen]

current one.

it's a theory that I love.

[stiff spire]

the HN lore is really hard to piece together since they keep retconning everything and making everything make sense

[inner lichen]

And I can't wait to see others finally hear it.

[stiff spire]

like the Act 3 house

[inner lichen]

And THIS would be a fun part of HN lore if it was fully real.

[stiff spire]

when it was supposed to be Nicky's figment of his fears coming together

[inner lichen]

It would be cohesive, but also interesting.

[stiff spire]

I would love to know mith's story is whether we get to know it in a future HN2 update or the AS

[opal steeple]

i have a feeling that MITH's chase music would be awesome

[deep kernel]

hn 1 isnt canon because of the AS 😦

[stiff spire]

I'm guessing MITH is some kind of undercover spy

or bounty hunter

[opal steeple]

mith is probably a detective

[deep kernel]

yeah hes always watching over us in alpha 1, 1.5, and he was waiting for us at the end of HG

[inner lichen]

It would even give more info on the past.

[lyric zephyr]

None of previous HN is canon because of the AS anymore, H&S is close to canon but not really since they changed Mya's death to be blamed on the Forest Protectors

[pale urchin]

Just like death in pib2 the last wish

[stiff spire]

I can imagine MITH living in some part of Raven Brooks maybe in a shady place like a back alley

[deep kernel]

WHAT

[pale urchin]

I refused to believe that they retconned it

There's no way they can retcon their games

[deep kernel]

Im quitting HN solely because of the AS

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, in the ARG box thing some youtubers got and I think on the rbbarchives website, under Mya (called Mia in it) and Aaron being missing, a secret message says "It's Their Fault"

[pale urchin]

Literally, what are they up to

[inner lichen]

(also I wanted to talk about this dumb theory because it keeps my mind off of the fact that current lore is... confusing.)

[stiff spire]

imagine if they change how the Neighbor's parents went missing mysteriously if I do remember Theodore's parents went missing for some reason

[inner lichen]

and it's COHESIVE

like, it makes PERFECT sense.

[pale urchin]

So am I

[inner lichen]

It wouldn't hurt to add to the story, too.

if even fits in with whatever accidental dots there are.

[lyric zephyr]

So they're pinning it on the Forest Protectors being why Mya died..
Even though in the books Mr. Peterson did the opposite

and blamed Aaron

which it was kinda his fault but it was an accident

[pale urchin]

Yet, the original story focused on petersons mental issues and his status

[stiff spire]

I wonder what would Nikita think of the story I don't think he really cares about the lore anymore since it kept changing over time and Nikita stopped working on his own version of HN2 after Alpha 1

[pale urchin]

They can't switch it up with forest protectors

[ripe berry]

I also feel like everyone on the pinboard in AS is going to have something tying them back to the Halloween Incident

There's Gerda, who we know is one of the kids

[pale urchin]

It made perfect sense, and had a better execution

[opal steeple]

gerda would 100% be a necessary part of the story

[lyric zephyr]

but there's also Mr. Murtagh, the School Principal, and Otto

So it seems more cult than the 3 missing kids

[stiff spire]

I feel like Murtagh is part of the Forest Protectors

[lyric zephyr]

He definitely is, he's on the Neighbor's pinboard

[inner lichen]

Yeah, Halloween Incident leads to potential Deja-Vu, and the Petersons are potentially involved.

[stiff spire]

he might die next I have a feeling he might

[deep kernel]

whos making these changes to the story? surely it cant be Alex wanting to rewrite years of lore can it?

[stiff spire]

maybe he even set the trophy room on fire in the AS teaser video

[ripe berry]

It could be both Cult AND 3 missing kids

[lyric zephyr]

That's exactly what it is

[pale urchin]

Not sure, but I swear to God, if alexus is behind all this, then this is his problem

[lyric zephyr]

Why is Peterson worried about the 3 missing kids who are grown adults now?

[opal steeple]

i think i just realized something

[strange lance]

Don't forget that the AS school and the DLC school are somehow the same school

[opal steeple]

relating to hn2 nightmare 2

[inner lichen]

okay, that's a dead topic.

[lyric zephyr]

Seems odd

[strange lance]

(this does not work at all)

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[lyric zephyr]

Literally they're like, opposites

[inner lichen]

Yeah, that's a weird detail.

[lyric zephyr]

but forced to be the same

[inner lichen]

I'm referring to the past here.

[wooden spire]

Why would he be worried about that?

[inner lichen]

not modern-day Ted Peterson.

Storms were involved.

[ripe berry]

It'd probably be a coincidence where everyone on Peterson's Board has a connection to the 3 Missing Kids, but the board itself is focused on the Cultists

(Wrong reply)

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh, I'm still willing to think that it was Nicky's literally emphasized on FLAMMABLE chemicals he stole from the school that start the fire, but it's gonna be blamed by the kids on Mr. Peterson

[stiff spire]

I feel like this might be Mr. Murtagh again like when Trinity thought she thought the Neighbor was in the school was it was Murtagh because she was overreacting

maybe Murtagh has a secret to hide in the school

[lyric zephyr]

like they legit brought up Nicky stealing FLAMMABLE materials

and a few episodes later a fire starts

[ripe berry]

and the image they gave connected to the event has purple in the storm (lemme grab the image again)

[strange lance]

Maybe the inventor's club at school burning down is what made the squad resort to using a van in HE

idk

[lyric zephyr]

And for a third time just for the sake of it,
FLAMMABLE.

the funny word

[ripe berry]

Or I could be going crazy and that's just a cloud

[opal steeple]

i'm realizing that nightmare 2 has very heavy symbolism in a way.
-there's a storm, with quentin being pulled away from ted and aaron because of the wind. eventually, lightning strikes, ending the dream.

in my opinion, this symbolizes a sort of "warning" for quentin, that being the fact that a storm could be coming soon, in which it will slow him down in his quest to solve the raven brooks mysteries. (ted and aaron representing the mysteries, the storm representing, well, the storm). i'm probably overthinking it but idk

[stiff spire]

"Has anyone seen Nickyyy? He's stolen something from my supply box, and let's just say... they're flammable."

[ripe berry]

But still the Crows make me feel like it's connected to the Mayak, which is connected to the Petersons

[lyric zephyr]

Well, the crows are absolutely everywhere still even apart from the Mayak

literally circling houses to tell you where you need to go

[wooden spire]

Do they mean anything

[stiff spire]

if Murtagh was added to HN2 he would definitely up the horror of the game I'll tell you that

those teeth

[lyric zephyr]

He's gonna Flammable

[ripe berry]

and the fact it's a storm

[inner lichen]

Okay, just for clarification, if The Three are parallels to Mya, Aaron, and Nicky, who's similar to who?

[strange lance]

Well Mya = Gerda can't work cause Mya dies

[inner lichen]

I'd say Nicky since...

[opal steeple]

nicky -> alien kid
aaron -> guest kid
mia/mya -> pumpkin kid

[inner lichen]

She was found first.

[strange lance]

so Gerda would = Nicky

[opal steeple]

or

[lyric zephyr]

Mya and Alien Kid/Gerda, almost the same shoes and a kinda dress. Aaron = Guest Kid, seeming scared. Nicky = Pumpkin Kid because... Tall maybe?

[ripe berry]

Aaron's Guest Kid in that they're never found. Nicky's Gerda's equivalent since they were found first

[inner lichen]

Pumpkin Kid is probably aaron's parallel since...

well, his costume's in the Museum. He's probably found later.

Guest Kid...

[ripe berry]

Pumpkin Kid's costume in the Museum implies they were found

[inner lichen]

Yeah that's not a good outlook.

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, I'd assume Aaron = Guest Kid bc as far as we've seen he's terrified and is never found/his fate is left unknown (Just like Aaron's)

[inner lichen]

yeah, that's fair.

[wooden spire]

Yeah

[strange lance]

I'm pretty sure (in the old lore at least) Aaron dies or is taken away at some point

[ripe berry]

This implies Pumpkin Kid is dead if they're paralelled to Mya/Mia

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, I always wanted to assume Aaron got sent to live with his Aunt Lisa in a whole different state

[lyric zephyr]

but since the books aren't being used as canon

we have no clue

[lyric zephyr]

Would explain why nobody hears from him and his fate is left unknown

He's just really far away from Raven Brooks

[opal steeple]

what would happen with aaron and ted after hn2's ending? would ted realize his mistakes and go from there? or would he just lock aaron back up

[ripe berry]

This also lines up with what we know

[lyric zephyr]

I mean he's definitely gonna lock Aaron back up, he needs to be an antagonist still, we all know that

[deep kernel]

he looks at quentin as he is being dragged away I

[lyric zephyr]

Can't be HN without the Neighbor being needlessly angry all the time

[stiff spire]

in an alternate universe if they still went with the Neighbor going missing in his attic what would the FG of HN2 look like

[ripe berry]

Nicky's Found First, the Mya's found judging by the lack of a grave in the backyard in HN2, but Aaron's never found

[strange lance]

You can't really use the grave

since that was cut

[deep kernel]

as long as this franchise is running Mr. Peterson is gonna be the antagonist, even when they tried to switch it up to the guest

[ripe berry]

and the books also go in Mya being second's favor

[wooden spire]

I wonder what happens to Quentin

[lyric zephyr]

and as far as we know Nicky still hasn't been found.

[inner lichen]

wonder how old Quentin even is

same for MJ

[stiff spire]

we should get a new antagonist in a future HN game

[deep kernel]

who dat

[lyric zephyr]

since Quentin never sees him escape, despite being parked in front of the house as Aaron escapes

[ripe berry]

I'm using that fact as evidence

[opal steeple]

mid 20s probably

he looks young

[strange lance]

Literally was supposed to be the Guest

[stiff spire]

as much as I like having the Neighbor we just gotta have someone else in the spotlight

yeah

[inner lichen]

Okay, how old is Gerda?

[lyric zephyr]

I'd say Quentin is around the 23-31 range

[opal steeple]

especially in this

[strange lance]

The Guest was supposed to be the new big bad guy

[ripe berry]

Even if it was still there it'd still be evidence Mya's found second

[strange lance]

and then he was you know

[lyric zephyr]

Gerda I'd say she's 25-35

[deep kernel]

That went well

[stiff spire]

the tree in the background looks like a HN1 tree

[opal steeple]

early 30s, assuming she's around 10 as alien kid

[lyric zephyr]

She's tired but still seems fairly young

[inner lichen]

Oh no

OH NO

[strange lance]

what now

[wooden spire]

How old is Peterson?

[lyric zephyr]

Peterson is 50, confirmed by Nikita

[inner lichen]

nevermind just

[deep kernel]

Gerda reminds me of mrs. trunchbull from matilda

[inner lichen]

narrowing down people who were around during that point

[ripe berry]

?

(Sorry for the ping)

[inner lichen]

and Quentin is dangerously close to being around Gerda's age during that point.

[stiff spire]

I wonder how was Theodore in HN1 I mean he looked kinda old but not too old

[lyric zephyr]

He was 50

[stiff spire]

he only had white hairs on his side

[lyric zephyr]

like Nikita said.

[inner lichen]

Nah that lead is dumb

it wouldn't make sense.

[ripe berry]

Wait a second

[inner lichen]

Don't know why I threw that out there.

[ripe berry]

if the Halloween Incident was about 30 years ago

[inner lichen]

thought it was 20

[stiff spire]

I hope we get some kind of small lore additions in the next patch

I doubt it but who knows

[lyric zephyr]

6 more cassette tapes, baby

the best source of lore!

[ripe berry]

Norman Darby and Quentin have another connection then

[strange lance]

lol

Norman Darby

is

like

[lyric zephyr]

but Quentin doesn't even live in Raven Brooks at that point

[ripe berry]

Oh yeah right

[lyric zephyr]

Heck he only started living there a week before the game takes place maybe

[inner lichen]

Buuut

quentin isn't in RB by the time the incident happens

so definitely rules him out being involved at all.

guess Pumpkin Kid and Guest Kid are just people we haven't seen yet.

(not yet at least.)

[ripe berry]

Or perhaps MJ and Quentin are the parallel

[deep kernel]

love how we are connecting old lore from alphas, imagine what we would try to pull from hn 1 alphas

[ripe berry]

We don't know sh*t about MJ other then that he's around the same age as Otto

[deep kernel]

Who is MJ??

[lyric zephyr]

Just a reminder..
I CALLED it.

[ripe berry]

Which puts him in the 20's-30's age range during the Halloween Incident that Quentin is during HN2

[inner lichen]

This IS the cool way they could be canon, Retro.

[strange lance]

this is YOUR fault

[inner lichen]

We found it...

at long last.

[ripe berry]

Missing Journalist, the Journalist before Quentin

[strange lance]

:(

[inner lichen]

your fault we can link them to current lore...

[deep kernel]

ohhhh

ok

firs time i ever really used this chat

[strange lance]

I so badly wanted the trick or treaters to be new characters

[lyric zephyr]

Same

[stiff spire]

I wonder if Ike is still canon to the lore

[lyric zephyr]

But nope they're pre-existing characters!

[stiff spire]

he probably is still

[lyric zephyr]

He probably isn't

[inner lichen]

I mean

only ONE of them could.

perhaps the other two are unique

who knows.

[stiff spire]

imagine if missing journalist replaced Ike

[inner lichen]

let's see if they pay attention to our dumb fantheory or not

[stiff spire]

lore wise

[lyric zephyr]

Since the book lore is no longer being used other than plot points they happened to like

[wooden spire]

What about the missing journalist

[strange lance]

HE's missing

[deep kernel]

one was dressed as the guest, still following the fact that obviously the guest was an urban legend told to kids idk where to fit in so thought I might say something related to the topic

[strange lance]

and he was a journalist

[deep kernel]

hes missing bro

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, the Missing Journalist is Otto's friend. Ike was Mr Peterson's friend and he got killed in a peppermint vat.

[strange lance]

and he went missing

[lyric zephyr]

Ike was a security guard not a journalist

[ripe berry]

So let's see here: MJ and Quentin are both around the same age range during their retrospective incidents, which both parallel each other with Gerda and Nicky being alive and the first one found, Pumpkin Kid and Mya/Mia being found but (we don't know Pumpkin Kid's Fate for sure but I theorize it to be that) they were found dead, and Guest Kid and Aaron both end up never being found

Both have ties back to the Peterson Family

[lyric zephyr]

Norman was the journalist

[stiff spire]

true but they still share the same demise they both went missing I guess that's what kinda makes them similar

[strange lance]

and Norman was literally just Quentin

[stiff spire]

true

[ripe berry]

and MJ could've been new to RB during the Halloween incident

[lyric zephyr]

Except very very short

[strange lance]

yeah

[lyric zephyr]

Like wasn't he described to be Aaron's height?

[strange lance]

I don't remember

[inner lichen]

Quentin is Norman Darby with Asthma

[lyric zephyr]

And taller

[strange lance]

Quentin time travels

[ripe berry]

Just like Quentin is during the Peterson Case

[stiff spire]

there was even inhalers in HG prototype

[deep kernel]

in 1.5 all of there costumes are empty in the end, no hands and obviously no bodys or anything in them. The guest one is obviously the most important cause as he disappears in the end Peterson shows up begging Quentin to open the door, connecting them in some way even further

[strange lance]

to tell Aaron he will be freed (and then promptly captured again)

[opal steeple]

what state is RB in again?

[lyric zephyr]

I always expected the Mayor to be like, a shorter character based on his build in the concept art
Instead he's, regular height and 2 people wide

[stiff spire]

so that could've made the theory strong that HG prototype Quentin was Ike

[lyric zephyr]

Missouri

[ripe berry]

Seems like the 2 incidents heavily parallel each other

[lyric zephyr]

With tiny legs

[stiff spire]

there was a guy with boots in the books that was running away from something

and then he got taken away by whoever was chasing him

that was most likely HG Quentin

if I were to guess

[ripe berry]

Other Mike (TotallyNotMichael), looks like we and Retro, LeSadAidan, and others I somehow forgot have caught onto the full nooks and crannies of this rabbit hole

[deep kernel]

quentin went from a kid working as a dead end security guard to a journalist

good for him

[stiff spire]

Quentin had a lot more sounds in HG than he does now

[ripe berry]

(Or there could be more we all have missed about the Halloween Incident and Peterson Case parallels)

[deep kernel]

also, It was either 1.5 or in alpha 1, the guest had both beatrix, and quentins resume type thingies, perhaps someone or something was keeping watch of him before he arrived to the Guests house?

I'd say MITH

[stiff spire]

I think it was in both alphas

MITH was also in the announcement trailer

[deep kernel]

Yeah

[stiff spire]

interestingly he was spying on Quentin it seemed like

[strange lance]

It was only in alpha 1

[stiff spire]

so maybe he had it all planned

[strange lance]

That the CV forms were in

[stiff spire]

like a setup for us to "find" Theodore

[opal steeple]

MITH was also seen in one of the EARLY EARLY hn2 leaks

[deep kernel]

I have a feeling Mith still connects to FG in some way

[strange lance]

MITH had the forms in hg, and Quentin's form was in the 16 hour stream

[ripe berry]

Cya chat

[strange lance]

bye

[stiff spire]

cya

[deep kernel]

ca

cya

its #nog-simming still canon??

[stiff spire]

nope

not anymore

[deep kernel]

damnit

[strange lance]

I gotta say, the new FP's should've still used the Observatory for rituals. The museum is too tiny

[stiff spire]

yup they scrapped a lot of cool stuff

[strange lance]

It never was canon!

[stiff spire]

one thing for me that was really weird about the early HN2 alphas

[strange lance]

Ari just didn't tell us till I asked

[stiff spire]

the Neighbor went missing and was all skin and bones at the beginning and suddenly in the end he becomes this one massive hulk

[deep kernel]

in early alpha nicky house went poof and replaced by grass and a guest statue

[stiff spire]

I was maybe guessing the buff neighbor was a doppelganger

during the early alphas

[deep kernel]

neighbor so pale he dont even come out to chase you anymore

[strange lance]

Neighbor fake is right there

[deep kernel]

I forgot abt fake neighbor and the scrapped ending

[strange lance]

Neighbor fake could've been so interesting

[wooden spire]

What is neighbor fake?

[stiff spire]

fake neighbor creeped me out the first time I saw him

[strange lance]

It's a person dressed as the neighbor

Neighbor fake

[opal steeple]

the scrapped a1 ending too

[deep kernel]

I swear I used to think it was aaron

[stiff spire]

I wonder why fake neighbor took a picture of Quentin

[inner lichen]

isn't the head model MiTH's?

[opal steeple]

yep

[stiff spire]

maybe fake neighbor was another journalist in disguise

[strange lance]

Part of it

[stiff spire]

yup

[strange lance]

like the middle part

[snow mauve]

No way it's Aaron!

:0

[strange lance]

for the eyes

[stiff spire]

I'm guessing it was a placeholder like maybe they were gonna model his actual face

but he went scrapped

[deep kernel]

fake neighbor level in hn 2

who has insane AI elon musk coded

[stiff spire]

he looks way more creepier without the mask

[snow mauve]

What the hell

Ughhhhhh

[stiff spire]

since they didn't even model a mouth

[deep kernel]

whats going on with bros hands

[strange lance]

I wish Hn2 had stayed as this mysterious other worldly game

with weird creatures

[stiff spire]

yeah the early alphas were ominous and horrifying

and then we got a remastered version of HN1 (kinda)

[strange lance]

Like the idea of creatures other than the guest is so cool

[lyric zephyr]

Snuest:

[strange lance]

He is unfortunately dead

[stiff spire]

I mean they still kept the attic idea from the alphas

but instead of Theodore it's Aaron

[lyric zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/baldi-baldis-basics-bbieal-gif-25541020

[strange lance]

Sadly a HN game must be realistic

which is not the point of a hn game

[stiff spire]

the alpha artstyle gave me the creeps

[wooden spire]

I wish there were more creatures

[strange lance]

So we're gonna have this bird demon right, BUT we can't have wacky houses

That's TOO unrealistic!

[stiff spire]

back when Raven Brooks used to look like this

I feel like the weather atmosphere was more ominous

[lyric zephyr]

BUT! The houses can have wacky platforming stuff on them in the ugliest way possible! And one has a path made of ladders to the Museum for some reason!

[strange lance]

It was very ugly, but you could see what they were going for

they just needed more time

which they had

but decided to remake the game instead

[stiff spire]

I wonder what caused Raven Brooks to be destroyed I'm guessing it was because of the Raven Brooks Disaster

but idk

[lyric zephyr]

But in Raven Brooks Disaster, Ted literally stopped the town from being destroyed

I mean yeah some of it was still flooded but most of the town was alright

[deep kernel]

dude theres 3 different kinds of raven brooks, so hear me out. what if each hello neighbor game INCLUDING the alphas is set in a different universe (obv joking)

[stiff spire]

Hello Neighbor Cinematic Universe

[strange lance]

mmm

[stiff spire]

the map of HN1 outside looked cool ngl I mean it might've not been much but it was a decent town

[lyric zephyr]

Not only the cooler foggier weather, but also every corner of the map had intentional detail (Even if it was with placeholder objects)

Like literally in the corner boundaries of the map there were details you'd never see otherwise

[deep kernel]

factory nightmare level

[stiff spire]

I feel like the Guest took the house on the right side of the neighbor because in HN1 there was also a fenced off house

it was a red one

[deep kernel]

its sad honesly, but thats what happens when you become lazy and start cutting corners to make a quick buck

[stiff spire]

because in the hn2 alphas the house is also gated off too

[stiff spire]

dang the alphas were big

if only the FG was like that

[deep kernel]

hn 1's open world is bigger

[strange lance]

Yes it was massive

I'm glad this park is the canon one

every other park felt like a swamp

[deep kernel]

I want to go to golden apple amusement park 💀

[strange lance]

Time to build the whole thing

[stiff spire]

hogbor was a nice easter egg

[strange lance]

Honestly building this park irl would be possible, like look at nintendo world

tB give us what we want

we gotta recreate the Lucy yi

[stiff spire]

they should bring that easter egg back in the FG maybe it could be one of Otto's taxidermized animals or something

[deep kernel]

REALL

[stiff spire]

I wanna eat a golden apple

they should readd the pig head on the plate in Otto's house maybe it could be on Otto's dining table or something

[strange lance]

I like to think that Ted really did build this spider, but it was small, maybe the size of sharkotron. He'd make a good obstacle

[stiff spire]

Theodore is a good inventor ngl

[strange lance]

Also if sharkotron isn't in the AS i'll be sad

we haven't seen him since hn1 I believe

[stiff spire]

yup you're right

[strange lance]

And AS Nicky just has a egg thing on his shirt

Guess it was too hard to make some triangles

why did I say shark lol

[deep kernel]

I hate AS nicky

[lyric zephyr]

That's what YOU think, until we see the NEW park map in the AS...

[strange lance]

NOO

[deep kernel]

now hes just some idiot that breaks into mr petersons house, not the smart kid that thinks of thought out plans to solve the secrets

[strange lance]

They keep on using that same pilot shot of the park

for the AS

but Hn2 has the HE one

They can't even get their own lore right

the SAME writers

[lyric zephyr]

HN2 also has 1996 while the AS is modern day

but the AS is meant to be before during and after HN2

[deep kernel]

boycott the AS real protest

(real)

[lyric zephyr]

Crazy how we might see how HN2 ends before HN2 can ever get to it

Depending on how they release things

[wooden spire]

Yeah

[strange lance]

Actually the spider might be smaller, that's him on the fireplace

[inner lichen]

Is that the 1.5 map, or the alpha 1 map

[wooden spire]

I wonder in AS what episode the guest will appear in

[strange lance]

1.5

[crude dew]

I mean, some of the kids was found

[crude dew]

~30
not less, not more

[shell gull]

No only Gerda

And the fact they have pumpkin kids costume

Means they killed them

[ripe berry]

Again: Alien Kid/Gerda is found first and is alive just like Nicky, Guest Kid is never found bc they don't have the costume just like how Aaron seems to never be properly reported as found, meaning Pumpkin Kid and Mya/Mia parallel each other, and Mya/Mia's dead so...

(Remembering yesterday and how we pointed out a similarities between the Halloween Incident and the Peterson Case)

The Parallels allow us to use info from one thing to fill in the other thing (assuming it's intentional)

[shell gull]

True

[shell gull]

Right

[steel portal]

in the credits Nikita appears as creative director

[crude dew]

because he was a cd

[shell gull]

It isn’t Nikita, he don’t have the rights of AS, it’s definitely Alex making these changes.

[deep kernel]

Wait Alien kid is gerda?!!?

[strange lance]

sadly yes

[steel portal]

thank

[inner lichen]

Also sadly, they still parallel three of the main kid characters of HN

so we delved deep into a rabbit hole we can no longer get out of

as we keep finding things that the devs probably didn't intend at all.

[tribal talon]

For a small while now I had the idea of the Guest not being a demon, but a creation of the FPs
If Guest Kid is still missing... What if he was kidnapped and turned into the Guest by the FPs, and the Guest is basically a theme park mascot come to life/religious icon for the FPs that they also control
It's a dumb and baseless theory but I enjoy this much more than the Guest straight up being a demon, as it adds a mad scientists layer back to the Forest Protectors

[inner lichen]

The Halloween Incident happened around... 20 years ago or so.

Not sure when the Guest was "created"

[tribal talon]

Hmmm

Wait shit

Immediate wrench in the theory

[inner lichen]

Anyways, Guest Kid is def. an Aaron Parallel.

He was never officially found.

[tribal talon]

The GAAP and the weird fact that Guest (or a similar figure) is used as a sort of mascot for it

Unless the opening date of GAAP got reconned to HELL

[inner lichen]

They all wear costumes of stuff at the Park.

[tribal talon]

Because my idea kinda hinged on Guest Kid's costume being based off of that

Wait so

[inner lichen]

Guest Kid... That's easy.

Alien Kid is...

I think something from there?

Pumpkin Kid, no clue.

I haven't checked the park map in a while.

[tribal talon]

Then GAAP got retconned to hell and back because HN2 supposedly takes place immediately after Act 2

And 20 years before HN2 would be... A long, long time before the GAAP opened

[inner lichen]

Storms were also involved during this Incident.

Adelle and Roger Peterson were still around back then.

[tribal talon]

Unless the Guest was just

A mascot for the Golden Apple Corporation, period

Or maybe just a symbol of Raven Brooks as a whole

Because honestly I don't know how long Forest Protectors have actually been around

[inner lichen]

I'm kinda surprised they haven't leaned onto The Halloween Incident as of yet.

Considering how it Parallels slightly what's happening.

And how they also happen to Parallel the three main kids of Raven Brooks that we should be concerned about.

It definitely wasn't JUST a storm that happened.

Someone else must've happened.

And we're missing details.

[tribal talon]

I do still stand by the idea of the Guest being a creation of the FPs and not literally a demon

But

It could swing that way

Especially if GN2 is still canon

If GN2 is still canon the guest is probably some sort of supernatural entity

Unless

Maybe the Guest's creation involved turning him into a supernatural entity and was both a mix of magic and science?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inner lichen]

Wonder if the Halloween Incident had anything to do with The Guest at all, actually?

Since it being just "A Storm" and them "Getting Lost" doesn't really fully add up.

Pumpkin Kid was obviously found, so not ALL of them were lost.

Gerda's the only resident confirmed alive from that whole thing.

So clearly something far worse must've went down I believe.

[tribal talon]

One of them was found dead, Gerda lived, and the one that just so happened to be wearing a crow costume has gone missing

[inner lichen]

Nicky was found to be alive. Mya was killed. Aaron went missing, never to be found officially.

Expect the circumstances are different here.

Everything else lines up.

[tribal talon]

Aaron went missing, but he was still alive
Guest Kid might also be still alive... But not in the way you'd think

Lmao I just really like my idea of Guest Kid having been kidnapped and turned into the Guest idk

Wasn't Guest Kid's costume in the Attic in one of the alphas, anyways?

[inner lichen]

yeah.

He was also alive in the attic in Alpha 1.5

[tribal talon]

Hm

[inner lichen]

But Alpha 1.5 isn't really canon.

Not anymore.

[tribal talon]

True, neither of them are

So can't use that as evidence

Hmmm

This is hard to think about, especially with New Lore

Technically, the existence of New Lore means

1. We literally know nothing besides what we've been presented
2. We do not know exactly which aspects have been carried over from Old Lore asides from the ones that have already been confirmed to us

So it's really really hard to theorize about this stuff whenever like a good 70% of the franchise is now noncanon lmao

[inner lichen]

At least we've got fantheories.

And people like me who look too deep into things

I mean, i'm one of the people who want this to be a plot point.

An important event that somehow relates to the current story.

[tribal talon]

True lol

But considering the writing for new lore so far

Not looking too likely but

Hey, who knows

Something everyone forgets is that new lore really just got started with the AS and HN2, the writing could improve from here

Maybe there's stuff we just don't know or haven't seen yet

They're both ongoing projects after all

[tribal talon]

So the demon theory is right but not since I heard that Peterson is working with the devil or well made a deal which is not true but a whereabouts of a demon

[inner lichen]

No that's the OLD HN1 Story.

We're referring to modern-day HN.

[crude dew]

https://tenor.com/view/madturnip-show-super-mario-bros-gif-19309485

[snow mauve]

Bro what??? That's not even what happened in the Hello Neighbor lore.

[tribal talon]

I know 🗿I said something randoms cause I’m out of questions lol

[deep kernel]

Alpha 1 matpat lore

[deep kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHMfxoTQ96Y

[crude dew]

95% of his theories are wrong btw

[shell gull]

That was like Alpha HN story, which didn’t make it, and we have the current lore which isn’t that at all, and I much prefer this one.

[unkempt sleet]

Imagine HN2 if they went with the Alpha story

[shell gull]

Would be really goofy

[unkempt sleet]

true

[crude dew]

they literally can't do it, unless it turns into some big nonsense (don't)

[wicked heath]

half of the video is about how pre-alpha man is not the player, but Ted's partner

[crude dew]

ahahahahah
I remember the times, when all of the youtubers thought, that Jesus is the Neighbor's boyfriend
weird times, but those were the actual golden days.

[opal steeple]

i always found that funny

[crude dew]

and then literally every youtuber fell in love with the Neighbor
it was a thing

[opal steeple]

and the "nicky is ted's son" phase

[crude dew]

honestly? a lot of people didn't know that. a lot.
some theorized, but it was never clearly stated.
and then, scrapped :((

that storyline made much more sense.

[opal steeple]

it really did tbh

[glacial whale]

Well then it wouldn’t be hello neighbor would it? It’d be hello dad

[crude dew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/535145467399634968/1076874033460695130/ezgif-2-71aa1190a2.gif

[ripe berry]

haha, very funny

[cedar merlin]

I wonder if there's a mod with that name?

[ripe berry]

I remember there being a "Hello Father" I think?

[rancid moss]

I'm not sure if anybody cares but me and a friend are making a fan AU show, called "Raven brooks journalist" i'll share more if people care

[ripe berry]

Perhaps in another chat? This isn't the chat for that

[lapis sonnet]

Who's in the mood to talk lore

First of all, what's up with the Raven Brooks Flood?

In Act 3 we can see the town's been destroyed over the years,

because of one of the storms ending up being really bad

Was it the one in GN2 or Reset Day?

[snow mauve]

Pretty sure Mr. Peterson caused that from his weather station

[lapis sonnet]

Yeah I know that but which storm specifically destroyed everything? Both in GN2 and Reset day have nasty storms

[buoyant arrow]

||also in GN2 doesn’t peterson die and get possessed by the guest?||

[snow mauve]

Probably one of them

I mean we pretty much don't know

[lapis sonnet]

Die?

I don't recall him dying lol.

[snow mauve]

He got choked by the guest underwater

Wdym

[lapis sonnet]

Doesn't mean he's dead, I mean he's survived through some crazy stuff

[snow mauve]

I mean after that, The Guest possessed his dead body

[buoyant arrow]

yeah he drowns and the guest possesses his dead body and uses it as a skin suit or something

[buoyant arrow]

Oh I mean he’s definitely dead

that also explains why he’s wearing the guests outfit as well

[lapis sonnet]

True,

And in past books and GN if something like this happened it's implied he survived

Like in GN1

He got trapped under all the rubble from Bosco Bay but it's shown he survives

[lapis sonnet]

Isn't it crazy?

How such an important character was killed off just like that

So easily

That's why I was doubting it

Because I didn't think he'd die in a graphic novel lol.

[snow mauve]

Whatever you say then

[wicked heath]

I can hear 2015 Markiplier....

Either I'm correct, or I'm stupid (either way, I have a problem)

[lapis sonnet]

As I was saying, HNVR could most likely be taking place after SN

[buoyant arrow]

it most likely does

Since SN is them imagining how they might pull off rescuing Nicky

While HNVR is them actually going through with their plan

[lapis sonnet]

Was just saying that in a seperate channel!

Unfortunately doesn't look like it'll go successfully, since we already know Nicky has to get himself out

Although HN1 is getting remade so if they made story changes I wouldn't be too suprised

[lapis sonnet]

Anybody remember when the HN books take place

what year

specifically books 4-6

[shell gull]

Book 1-3 was some time 1996-1998 from my memory, book 4-6 was sometime 1994-1995.

[lapis sonnet]

Thanks, apologies for the weird request, I'm working on a timeline but I appreciate the help man.

[shell gull]

For the books?

Someone’s already made one from what ik

[lapis sonnet]

not exactly

[shell gull]

Full timeline concept?

[lapis sonnet]

It's pretty much a full timeline excluding anything unconfirmed

[lapis sonnet]

Yep!

So for example I'm including the books but not the AS since it's not comfirmed which is canon yet

[shell gull]

already made one on the full timeline e concept of lore

[lapis sonnet]

Besides hints/vague messages like the book being the weakest canon and such

[shell gull]

AS is the canon

Alex said

Literally

[lapis sonnet]

Proof?

Because from my knowledge all he's said is the books are the weakest timeline

And that canon is a "flexible term" 💀

[shell gull]

His messages he said the HN lore isn’t going to be focused on the books and the Animated series is the priority

[lapis sonnet]

Where and when did he say this

[shell gull]

Full timeline concept is all the canons mixed together

Which has been put in a doc

Here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nvlX7K7ljW_pXHPHPFJZmIX79Gs_Jew2_Z2J2eCzxE/edit

[shell gull]

I don’t have a screenshot, and also it doesn’t matter since it’s the weakest, which means least canon which means it’s being retconned, meaning anything in the books that hasn’t been proven canon in AS can’t be accountable for canon.

[strange lance]

I love random shadow cubes

[shell gull]

Wrong place

[lapis sonnet]

RTX bug?

[strange lance]

yep

[shell gull]

Wonder what implications there are in the GAAP:

[strange lance]

The Guest mascot is there

annd the observatory

[urban fulcrum]

is the demo removed?

[shell gull]

Yeah it’s weird how the GA mascot is fine and replaced with the crow mascot

Which I assume isn’t meant to be the guest

[strange lance]

It's meant to be a kid friendly version of the forest protectors most likely

Guest kid is dressed up as it

[shell gull]

Yeah

[lapis sonnet]

Yep

[shell gull]

What I’m confused about is the observatory being there in full view for the people

[lapis sonnet]

Anybody know how long after HN2 does reset day and GN2 take place?

[strange lance]

Yeah it's a public place here, so either the FPS did their rituals when it was closed, or that was also rectonned

[shell gull]

Like 20 years or so

[lapis sonnet]

kk

[shell gull]

But it isn’t canon from what we know

GN2 prob is but don’t know

[shell gull]

Yeah

[strange lance]

I haven't read the books in a while but did the Observatory in the books have color changing floor tiles

[shell gull]

What would the attraction even be

[shell gull]

No I don’t think so

[strange lance]

I mean it's just a area to learn about space, and it has some space rides

[shell gull]

Yeah i guess that’s it

Gotta go

[strange lance]

cya

[lapis sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QsIc7oliZeAWVmP-HLDOGB-qzrKNCTkNW8TObTk9bKw/edit?usp=sharing

My rough Hello Neighbor timeline

Includes all unconfirmed, unreleased and non-canon stuff so basically anything ever hello neighbor!

doesn't summarize events, more of putting everything in a chronological order with dates and such

although does include notable events

[strange lance]

It requires access

[lapis sonnet]

My bad forgot to fix that lol

[lapis sonnet]

replaced the link with a new one

Feedback is encouraged!

[shell gull]

Major problems: The Halloween incident date is unknown, AS is canon while all the books should be held not known as canon as they are majorly retconned to the point that there existent’s doesn’t matter, dates are changed as Alex said they were moved up meaning the books would be in the late 2000s.

Also HNVR is canon

It’s supposed to be rescue squads break in

[strange lance]

Or we could go with the easier option and just forget the AS exists

[shell gull]

Which would be nice but then later stuff in the lore wouldn’t make sense, so sadly we can’t and have to bare its existence.

It’s sad that people can’t take in the fact that AS is the canon, I mean I couldn’t either but now I’ve let it in, the amount of people who still talk about the books in the lore with things that haven’t been proven canon is sad, wish we could go back and stop AS from happening.

Since it’s kinda spreading misinformation

[glacial whale]

I do believe that there’s a little bit left over in the books being used as cannon but not much anymore

[shell gull]

Yeah barely, only like 10%, damn it sucks *ss.

[mighty ember]

it’s not too late for it to disappear

please

[ripe berry]

Yeah, those are character names and concepts

and things that the games already feature

Also Welcome to Raven Brooks spans from Waking Nightmare to after HND

(For luke.org's timeline)

(I got the "after HND" from official statements relating to the AS)

[wicked heath]

where

[lapis sonnet]

The disclaimer in the beginning of it says if it's in red it's unconfirmed canon or UNRELEASED

I know it's canon it's just not out yet

[lapis sonnet]

I'll rearrange it

[lapis sonnet]

First of all: for the Halloween Incident we don't have a date but my estimation is 20 years so that's a rough date, Secondly I just find it easier to keep the books as "canon" and keep the AS in red since we don't have enough confirmation AND it's not all out yet.

The only suggestion I probably will change is the point you brought up about the dates, I'll add alternate dates in red since again, don't have enough info about the state of the canon yet

New link with suggestions added: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QsIc7oliZeAWVmP-HLDOGB-qzrKNCTkNW8TObTk9bKw/edit?usp=sharing

[shell gull]

Ahh ok

[shell gull]

Yes and No, The Halloween kid incident would’ve happened around that time and more as Gerda is in her 30s to 40s, while Nielson is in his 60s to 70s, but AS is canon, Alex said that the HN lore isn’t following the books and there only priority is AS, like I said just cuz it says weakest doesn’t mean it’s gone but it means that very little of it is canon, and that anything in the books can’t be canon until it’s proven canon in AS.

Weakest doesn’t mean canon, it means weakest to be canon universe, and since AS is the highest canon universe, it’s the Canon Universe, meaning AS is canon, meaning that docs gonna need a bit of fixing up.

(Not trying to be rude but it could also lead to misinformation)

Why else would they not follow the book lore?, other than “not working in animation”, probably cuz they wanted the games and story to follow something else.

Listen IK it sucks that AS is canon, I wouldn’t believe it either for a month and would keep talking about the books in the lore, even though it didn’t make sense, but I realized there’s no point, so it’s time to let go of the books until something happens.

[lapis sonnet]

I kinda of half disagree with you, just bc it's the weakest canon doesn't mean it's not canon we just don't have enough info

But since it is the weakest what I'll probably do is switch it around so books are in red highlights and the AS isn't

Just since the AS is the priority and the books aren't

UPDATED LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QsIc7oliZeAWVmP-HLDOGB-qzrKNCTkNW8TObTk9bKw/edit?usp=sharing

[lapis sonnet]

We never got ages for the characters

[shell gull]

Yes, but barely any of it is canon.

[lapis sonnet]

We'll just have to wait until we get 100% confirmation

[shell gull]

True but in the articles it says Nielson is a young cop, meaning around his 20s, and Gerda was only the age of the kids in rescue squad which is like 12-13, and since Nielson is quite old now he would be in his 50s to 60s, since it imply a Gerdas now in her middle age.

[lapis sonnet]

I'll set it back like a decade

[shell gull]

You don’t have too since we don’t have full confirmation, I think it’s best to not have dates until there is a confirmation for it.

[lapis sonnet]

Well that's why on the date for that I said "1986/T.B.D"

because it's to be determined

same with act 3 and diaries

[shell gull]

For that, the dates are moved up a bit cuz of AS meaning Nicky didn’t break in in 1996 but instead sometime late 2000s

[lapis sonnet]

That's why it's T.B.D

[loud arch]

Is there a new design for mya

[lapis sonnet]

No

[lapis sonnet]

Updated my timeline everybody! I decorated it to make it visually pleasing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QsIc7oliZeAWVmP-HLDOGB-qzrKNCTkNW8TObTk9bKw/edit?usp=sharing

[rancid moss]

where can I find a png of this I need it

[lapis sonnet]

of my timeline?

[latent cosmos]

It's a full render

@rancid moss

[velvet fossil]

I will add the transparent version here as well

[shell gull]

Yooo

[tribal talon]

sweet timeline!

[lapis sonnet]

tyy

i decorated it

[rancid moss]

shoot I cannot download it

[uncut lotus]

hey yall

does anyone know whos behinde the guest mask??????

[unkempt sleet]

No one

Guest is a creature

İts not someone wearing a costume

[wicked heath]

not confirmed, but heavily implied

[shell gull]

It is technically cuz of GN2, and a bunch of other stuff.

[shell gull]

The guest is an entity summoned by the cultist

[shell gull]

But in GN2 he possessed Ted

[wicked heath]

Book canons are weak. Also GN2:

[shell gull]

But idk how anyone would figure that out without though

[unkempt sleet]

This is literally after Guest strangling Ted

[shell gull]

Yes ik that, but still you have Secret Neighbor where the kids have seen the guest and it’s ability’s like, Super Jump, Super Speed, also they said that the sounds coming from the guest aren’t made by anything but the guest itself, idk who can make those demonic sounds and clacking, he has conscious ability’s and can go through walls (yes that’s implied in GN2 but still).

[strange lance]

This is the Guest using Ted as a vessel

[shell gull]

Oh yeah let’s not forget he can latch on to a building to watch people

WAIT

[strange lance]

In Reset Day Ted is still possesed, and he's probably dead since it's many many years later and he was already old

[shell gull]

I just realised

The guest is a predatorily instinct

As an animal

Wise

He has some noises similar to those of predator birds

He can maneuver fast to catch up to people

He can latch in to trees and building and watch people go by like most predators do to hunt there food

He even has claws at the end of his hands

[shell gull]

Yeah the guest is basically using his dead body, I mean he did get drowned though so he prob died afterwards.

[strange lance]

True

[shell gull]

If the guest is predatorily instinct than that would mean he is actually a demon

[strange lance]

Also you can't really say Guest is Ted before he gets possesed because the Guest literally can turn into mush

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s true

[manic dirge]

he is like in his 70s

[tribal talon]

That is true

https://preview.redd.it/se06dwxjzs271.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a2e64de36a5fe98909b43132f4aed94f2b86b6be

[shell gull]

Any guesses on the name of the Golden apple Mascot or are we gonna keep calling him GAM.

[tribal talon]

When Will be the next patch update?

[crude dew]

the more I think about this comic, the worse my state gets

[shell gull]

Wrong place to ask that try #hello-neighbor

[latent cosmos]

It's the guest aka crowman

[shell gull]

Well, not really, sure the Tavishes might’ve known about the guest (Tavish might be retconned), but that still wouldn’t make sense why they would base their company mascot after their god.

But now that I think about it maybe

But they didn’t know what the physical form of the guest looked like though

[latent cosmos]

Look at that one picture of Ted next to HE GAAP

That's definitely the guest

[glacial whale]

Well the guest has no eyes and in the picture the mascot does. We already know the town has an obsession with the crows or ravens. Ik in HE there’s a statue of it but if your referring to the picture from HN2 I don’t think it’s meant to be the guest just more crow stuff.

[pliant estuary]

I find it funny how Maritsa was BEST friends with Mya, Enzo spent most of book 4 threw 6 with Aaron, yet Jessica doesn't know how many kids Mr. Peterson had

[tribal talon]

So funny tho

[shell gull]

Not the Guest but based on it, since the Tavish prob had no ideas.

[lapis sonnet]

never confirmed and very lightly implied

[lapis sonnet]

Totally forgot Reset Day is after GN2, altered my timeline 👍 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QsIc7oliZeAWVmP-HLDOGB-qzrKNCTkNW8TObTk9bKw/edit?usp=sharing

anybody know exact dates for them tho? reset day is many many years later so way after HN2 but was gn2 also years later or was it closer to it

[strange lance]

Gn2 is after hn2

Reset day is far after act 3/Hello neighbor diaries

[shell gull]

The tapes literally show it, the museum is littered with evidence, along with the fact the GAM is based on the Guest, which means it was summoned or at least used by the cultist, it might not be a demon, but is for sure a entity that controls the bad luck.

Also quick connection I made, in Greek mythology, Ravens are considered Symbolic of Bad Luck.

[lapis sonnet]

just shows how talented carly anne west is

[lapis sonnet]

the tapes don't show anything, and we don't know what the audio means yet but it's a good theory

[shell gull]

Yes it’s a theory, but it has been proven highly, In the original tapes which are still canon, we hear the guest crackles every once in a while, along with the sound of the cultist humming, there’s echos which means it would’ve been in the attic of the museum, it’s in the museum cuz you can hear cultist opening doors that make the sound of the museum doors, along with the ambience being similar, each crackle gets louder, and the hums get louder, but the crackles are quite silent and aren’t very vocal, which means it’s not a physical thing but a conscious being pulled into a physical form, finally at the end the hums are very loud until it goes silent and the guest makes a loud crackle, which is very vocal which means it’s a physical thing meaning it appeared, which meant it was summoned, and we know after that it went horribly wrong as the guest would’ve ran off this explains why the guest appeared in front of Quentin’s car running, it was running away from the museum, this also explains why the keys were stolen later that night because they were stolen by the cult to hide the evidence now that the guest ran.

[lapis sonnet]

Great evidence, already made that connection myself, I'm not disproving it but I'm reminding you it's not set in stone

It's highly likely but nothing is confirmed

It's just you were making it sound like it was official before when TECHNICALLY its not

[shell gull]

Ik, but it seems to be the case, I’d like to see your thoughts on it.

[shell gull]

My bad

[lapis sonnet]

ur good!

[lapis sonnet]

I think it's likely what's happening and I think it's a cool idea

We need some origin for the guest other than "he's an entity"

So hopefully that's confirmed what happened

Ima head out, peace

[shell gull]

Cya

[shell gull]

Yeah it is but I didn’t come up with it, a lot of other people such as lore man first brought it up way before the tapes came.

[hybrid spruce]

Hi everyone. Does anybody know when the 1 patch of HN 2 will come on ps4?

[snow mauve]

Wrong topic

Tall about it in #hello-neighbor

[hybrid spruce]

Ok

[glacial whale]

Hey was the fisherman and missing journalist ever confirmed to be the “same” character. If so could someone show where it was “confirmed”

[pliant estuary]

can be the only one who see's the resemblance

[wicked heath]

didnt think about that

[pliant estuary]

its nothing much its just a clue to were the photo was taken

[shell gull]

They are

[sinful flint]

https://tenor.com/view/as-shrimple-as-that-shrimp-shrimple-simple-as-simple-as-that-gif-25854313

[shell gull]

They are the same exact person, literally, even in archives it says so, also he isn’t a fisherman he’s just friends with Otto and would hang out with him.

[glacial whale]

Ok but missing journalist is or isn’t the fisherman?

Someone said he is the fisherman

[lapis sonnet]

and besides that evidence they simply just look the exact same, idk why anyone would question it lmaop

[shell gull]

There is no fisherman

[shell gull]

Yeah

[glacial whale]

Yea I know the missing journalist is the guy in the photo holding a fish with Otto but someone said he was confirmed to be the fisherman.

I don’t keep up with the lore as much as I use to but I was pretty sure there wasn’t a fisherman. Thanks for the clarification

[tidal aspen]

hello

any one here

[shell gull]

This is for lore not greetings, go to #hello-neighbor instead.

[violet juniper]

Does anybody know if Ted dies afer graphic novel 2??

[crude dew]

that is such a shady....comic.....I mean, we still don't clearly know what was going on there, my theories are different from others'...that comic is weird.

[shell gull]

Yes, he was chocked to death and then possessed from my knowledge

[lapis sonnet]

What is most likely implied, he literally gets drowned and strangled, and then possessed. You can't possess a living person lmao.

[manic dirge]

well maybe he was just unconscious

[glacial whale]

Well for all you know maybe in the world of hn you can live from being possessed

Not saying I 100% agree with it

[shell gull]

Yeah but during GN2 he was like pretty old

[manic dirge]

how old do you think he was?

cuz gn2 was prob early 2000s

[shell gull]

Well that couldn’t be possible since AS takes place in the early 2000s

[manic dirge]

oh

[shell gull]

Yeah retcon…

[manic dirge]

yeah it sucks

[shell gull]

Yup

[lapis sonnet]

Right now we don't have confirmation, but basically what @shell gull is saying is true. If we assume GN2 is still canon, it's probably present/future since all dates were moved up according to alex.

And since he was old he most likely did die

I have a timeline on it if you need better understanding

#lore-discussion message

[manic dirge]

yeah ive seen your timeline before

[lapis sonnet]

Any feedback?

[manic dirge]

its good but. wouldnt bosco bay be moved up as well. like the year

[lapis sonnet]

Fixed it, but just a minor disclaimer since the dates are moved up but we don't have exact ones, the old dates are in red since they are no longer/not confirmed canon, and if it was moved up we can't determine when bosco bay would've occured so I made the old date/year in red and added a TBD (to be determined) date in white since we don't know yet

[lapis sonnet]

anybody know if we have an official date for GN2?

even if its outdated bc of AS

did it say smt on the back like with bosco bay?

[shell gull]

Well I mean Reset Day would be in 2025 so that makes GN2 like 2019.

[hazy slate]

reset day is probably is 2021 or 2022

doubt it's in 25

[shell gull]

It WAS in 2022, but cuz the dates are moved, it’s somewhere in 2025.

[slender otter]

Is patch 6 coming today?

[manic dirge]

no one knows

[manic dirge]

and ask that in #hello-neighbor

[wicked heath]

remind me guys how we came to the conclusion Janitor was the Principle of the school?

[unkempt sleet]

Principal's portrait in the principal room is literally the Janitor

[wicked heath]

i did not notice them

[unkempt sleet]

._.

[lapis sonnet]

tysm man, not only did u provide the dates with the moved/new canon but the old one

actually rly helpful

but is AS in present day/2023?

Because the slang and things they use signify it's after 2016

[tribal talon]

Wait whas goin on in the lore now I’m like 1 year late to new stuff

[blazing latch]

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