lore-discussion

[toxic mist]

crows are symbols of bad luck, the people being called crows and the fps are ravens says a lot about society

[ripe berry]

Saying "The Thing is the Guest" is accurate to the lore, but not "The Guest is the Thing"

[silent steppe]

True, nvm

[lyric zephyr]

Even tho there are very little difference between crows and ravens visually and behaviorally

[toxic mist]

ravens are bigger than crows and well you know what i mean

[lyric zephyr]

True

[silent steppe]

Yeah

And smarter

[lyric zephyr]

Crows are fairly smart, same with Ravens
They both can remember faces and can communicate to others whether a specific person is good or bad

It’s cool

[silent steppe]

Yep

Anyway

[toxic mist]

this is lore related...

youll just have to step back a bit

[ripe berry]

The Thing on it's way to only ever appear in 2 Hello Neighbor Games but remain the most confusing part of the lore for years after that:

[toxic mist]

the thing is symbol of fear

[lyric zephyr]

The Thing isn’t rlly that confusing though, he’s just Fear

[toxic mist]

that bit is true

the end of hn1 shows that ted lcoked his fear and his trauma in the basement while nicky beat it

[silent steppe]

Yes

[toxic mist]

but its his fear

its not all nickys

[ripe berry]

Now it's not confusing, but before the QnA that explained that it was

[lyric zephyr]

No, I think it was showing that a majority of the fear for Nicky is in the basement

[toxic mist]

to the small brains yes

[lyric zephyr]

Why would Nicky be experiencing Ted’s fear in his own head

[ripe berry]

Mainly because of the Thing's appearance in SN

[toxic mist]

its aaron

not him

[candid harness]

It's communicating Theodore's fear and situation to the player, and how he failed to overcome it

[toxic mist]

he has deamons of his own

[ripe berry]

Nikki Rith

[toxic mist]

nikki raw

[lyric zephyr]

That’s still not confusing, it’s just Fear overall
It takes the form of Mr Peterson in SN because the kids are scared of him, and since most of SN is in the kids heads

The Thing

[lyric zephyr]

Oh gotcha

[silent steppe]

MOST

Key word

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, only them sitting in the lobby is canon

[toxic mist]

if the thing and the guest are really supposed to be different entities then that means the guest was maybe a result of all the goofy ahh time travel done in he that was alluded to i.e the storms or its a malgamation of bad luck

or

it could even be the fear of the forest protectors

[ripe berry]

The Goose is the Goose

[toxic mist]

the guest is not a forest protector

its not

thats about it

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh, in my opinion
The Guest is THE Forest Protector
He’s been around since the town was founded. He’s the original myth of the crow man in the woods, the cult just utilized it as a cover

That’s my own idea

[toxic mist]

when the sky turns purple thats when sh!t hits the fan

[toxic mist]

you could be right

well actualyl maybe not since it was founded

maybe since the storms started happening

[lyric zephyr]

So after the cult

[toxic mist]

oh and btw it was revealed in puzzle master that adelle and rodjer did find a luck device in a nest which caused their funding to be cut

which aaron and co found too

i think it was in reset day but i forgot

i just know it happend

so that rules out my theory on the parents finding out about the crystal and instead a weather sensor which all of the fps members had

they are all linked tho the sensors are used to harness the energy from the storms

which im guesing arent actually purple

the shift in luck causes it to be

if the sensors were used way back when teds parents were doing there thing that means they moved there to study why the sky was purple i guess

the guest comes whenever someone has bad luck

case closed

[lyric zephyr]

But he’s come for more than that, particularly GN2 and with HN2 him stalking Quentin at night being a potential thing

[toxic mist]

i think it being a malgmation of fear could be true but seems a little far fetched

[toxic mist]

quentin has bad luck...

[lyric zephyr]

Not really in HN2, he did in HGA1

The main bad luck he has in HN2 is ||getting beaten over the head with a shovel and getting his camera stolen by a lunatic old man||

[toxic mist]

its confusing cuz luck isn't real

[solid dew]

||to be fair
nothing in cutscenes goes as planned for quentin||

||he is Always interrupted||

[toxic mist]

exactly

i had no idea but that totally makes sense

so i guess that means the guest did come from mayak

i bet thats whre the fps originally gathered around the campfire and did the ookka chakka

i mean ritual...

[solid dew]

why would they do it in the weather station

[toxic mist]

beats me

why was the guest in mayak tho

or at least tied to it

so that means gordon cleave created the guest

if its just luck

total sci-fi story how tf is hn2 gonna explain all this

its interesting that mayak only appears during the event in sn with the storm happening tho

and that its not the observatory

[solid dew]

the guest originally protected mayak but all of that was transferred over to forest protectors

[toxic mist]

but why mayak?

blood ties

i think thats the name of the act 2 cutscene ride

dlub yaits

[solid dew]

because they want all the power it holds for themselves

[toxic mist]

even if that part of the story was retconned why would that be in hgp

seems like nikita is trying to tell us somethng

[solid dew]

because they wanted to go with that story

[toxic mist]

do you think they still will

the late night shift-ish story

as opposed to the confusing hn2 one

[solid dew]

well technically it all did happen

[solid dew]

just a bit differently

[toxic mist]

mayak turned into the act 4 house

it would be really disaapointing if mayak wasnt in hn2 to be honest

however

it still being in sn is 👌

still canon!!!!!

wahoooo

[solid dew]

we will never step foot into the weather station in a hn game

[verbal jewel]

The guest is a interesting character as it's animal like at times yet human also, but that human side is also tainted with that sorta animal side

[toxic mist]

maybe not

[toxic mist]

crow side

its got the brains of a human but the soul of a crow

that only comes around when the luck runs out

[solid dew]

guest is the most interesting character (and we will never get answers)

[toxic mist]

not never

in 4057

[lyric zephyr]

I’m GN2 he more causes bad events himself than someone getting unlucky
Strangles Mr Peterson, caused a car crash by stepping out in front of them, calls Pris to the window before a thunder strike and inadvertently causes her to sprain her wrist, torments Regina in her brain by taking away the coping mechanism of her dead dog, actively tries to murder Pris and Regina with a lead pipe while controlling Peterson

[verbal jewel]

The books portray it as a g man sort of entity while the game he's just this wild creature with a slight human side

Also he's much more silly like a crow in the games

[lyric zephyr]

He is the Silly Crow, he is silly like the crow

[solid dew]

||the events in hn2 only happened because of the guest's actions||

[toxic mist]

the lore is really inconsistent sheesh

[verbal jewel]

Welcome

[toxic mist]

well the ones that have been leaked

so far

aaaanyways...

[solid dew]

||quentin would not have been that involved at all if the guest hadn't appeared||

||and maybe aaron wouldn't have died...||

[toxic mist]

quentin's curiosity will get the best of him 😭

[verbal jewel]

With the guest attacking mith and kidnapping Quentin I do think they had that Ted still but he was also the guest

[toxic mist]

wait a minute did he actually

move to spoiler

but wtf

[verbal jewel]

He's a journalist he's searching for a story

[toxic mist]

"a story"

[verbal jewel]

Ya

[toxic mist]

bro we have 6 npcs 😉

[sudden garden]

||He's probably responsible for everything going downhill at the school too.||

[verbal jewel]

His report is on the strange happenings in raven brooks so it's a story

[verbal jewel]

||I'd say people might just be scared of taking there kids to school after kids start going missing ||

[solid dew]

||but the kids went missing because of the guest (probably)||

[verbal jewel]

||ah ye||

I do wonder what the librarian has to do with anything

There was that one mention of Ted always going to the public records office but that's not really it

[toxic mist]

oh yeah that old hag

someone get their grandma

[solid dew]

||since librarian is apparently a scientist
maybe she studied weather at some point
though that's probably not likely||

[verbal jewel]

Nah I love hee

Hee

Her

[toxic mist]

uh oh

[young kayak]

i think you are confusing with #old-spoilers

[toxic mist]

the mod is here quick delete the spoilers

if you wish to survive

[solid dew]

most lore discussion about new hn2 characters will end up being spoiler anyway (because we know everything)

[verbal jewel]

Yeh

[young kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-swat-fly-kitty-cat-fat-kitty-cat-gif-11655225

[toxic mist]

discussions about leaked builds and the spoilers about them dont go in here tho

[verbal jewel]

But that dose beg the question

What happen to Quentin after all he witnessed

[toxic mist]

he dies in a peppermint vat

it would make sense for aaron to burn down the house tho after he escapes

actually i bet anyone can maybe the fabled mob of angry parents

[verbal jewel]

Ok but he's in the museum why run back to the house crawling with police men and burn it

[toxic mist]

true

eh lets wait till december 1st

[verbal jewel]

So somone else sets the house a blaze

Probably the guest or Ted himself

[toxic mist]

also comete on december 1st your gonna have to open your 3rd eye to keep out spoilers lmao

nah it cant be ted

no shot

[verbal jewel]

Why not

He's got nothing left might as well cover up his tracks

[toxic mist]

yeah i guess so

i hope hn2 is bigger than what has been leaked

because it seems too rigid

so yeah mayak is still canon but we may only see in in sn and the show

[verbal jewel]

Mhhmm

[toxic mist]

act 3 says a lot more than "it was just a dream"

at least i hope so

[shell gull]

Hold Up That’s Where The Guest Comes From

[toxic mist]

no shot

mind blown and cops called

[silver vine]

well, the rocket event confirmed that SN was all just an imaginary plan, even the launch trailer showed that, they point towards a drawing, and they imagine being in the house

but HNSR is prob real

[silver vine]

||cough cough HN2 cough cough||

[median stirrup]

||ah yeah HN2 the game that doesn't explain anything||

[silver vine]

the skeleton/the main events

I dont think thats the only reason tho

a disaster did happen at mayak

(GN2)

[silver vine]

yes, guest stalking at nights could very well be a potential thing, cuz, they didnt change the desc of HN2 on the HN website even after the new update where they changed the picture for HN2

[silver vine]

how do we know this?

[lapis sonnet]

alright i wanna wrap up all questions abt the lore

every book including the comics is canon

secret neighbor was just an imaginary thing as shown in the rocket event

[silver vine]

||doubt that he even died||

[lapis sonnet]

and also the hn2 alphas, betas and what not have been all over the place but they arent canon

the only canon thing will be the full hn2 when it comes out

thats what makes the most sense

and i would say the cartoon we got was canon but since they are making more episodes we should just wait on that

and we dont know a lot abt the vr game so we'll have to wait abt that

and yes, hello engineer hasnt been officially said it isnt canon so i guess its canon

screw it ima make a mini timeline

oh but books and games end up overlapping a lot

so that makes it harder

like the end of book 3 is act 1 in the first game

its confusing

[silver vine]

the pilot isnt canon

the first episode comes out December this year

[lapis sonnet]

i didnt know that thx

[lapis sonnet]

have you read all the books?

im not very active on this server but i was a hn book fanatic

[old chasm]

????

[silver vine]

yes

[lapis sonnet]

nice!

some of the books are rlly good

i love i think its book 6

[silver vine]

true

[lapis sonnet]

books 4 5 and 6 take place before books 1 2 and 3

which means we get some more backstory in 4, 5, and 6 that we didnt get in hello neighbor hide and seek

[old chasm]

thanks for the NOT help

[lapis sonnet]

sorry i just only speak english

[silver vine]

the books were amazing and phenomenal

but, the cartoon show is retconning the heck out of the franchise

[old chasm]

I asked if you could help me I want to play with a friend who plays on switch and I can't find anything about adding or inviting friends

[silver vine]

Act 1 now takes place somewhere in the early 2000s

[oblique drum]

#secret-neighbor

[lapis sonnet]

correct me if im wrong but the guest isnt a forest protector or at least doesnt look like one, the one time we see what the forest protectors in the books look like is on the cover of book 5 the forest protector resembles almost a plague doctor

[lapis sonnet]

fax

[silver vine]

yes, the guest isnt a forest protector

[lapis sonnet]

its always been that way right?

[silver vine]

no

act 1 took place in 1996 in the books

[lapis sonnet]

oh yeah

[silver vine]

also, Trinity is the shiny new kid in the town

she moves in during Aaron and Mya are missing

[lapis sonnet]

cartoon is gonna mess up a lot of dates from the original timeline

the story we have now is for the games and books which i personally like

so if the cartoon ends up being canon that might be a problem ngl

[silver vine]

cartoon ties HN1 with HN2

[lapis sonnet]

thats when it takes place?

[silver vine]

CEO confirmed that its canon

[silver vine]

yes

[lapis sonnet]

that actually makes sense

[silver vine]

its gonna have 18 ep. spanning 10 - 12 mins

[lapis sonnet]

huh

nice

[silver vine]

yes, Alex CEO revealed a bunch of stuff about the AS

[lapis sonnet]

wait did you read the hn comics too

i think theres two

[silver vine]

yes

[lapis sonnet]

yeah ive read every book and comic except for the 2nd comic

i havent gotten around to reading it yet

when does it take place in the timeline??

[silver vine]

2nd comic is the most importnat

you have to read it

[lapis sonnet]

i should

[lapis sonnet]

also do you know how these roles work

am i able to be part of tinyclub??

also what the hell does gn2 stand for

[manic dirge]

HOW!?!?!?!?

[tacit wagon]

If Alex makes the series canon then I’m pretty sure we all got SCAMMED. We paid for the books all these years and now they retcon everything we know just for some way to tie into HN2 which was never needed. I’m really disappointed.

[shell gull]

Hn2 was perfectly fine in the story anyways, the idea of the story at least

[hazy slate]

I hope and pray that it isn't canon

[unkempt sleet]

Im pretty sure that Animated Series is canon, if youre talking about that

[ripe berry]

Alex | CEO confirmed that AS is "a bit" after 1997 because they have smartphones

[latent cosmos]

They ruined nikita's story

It's stupid

[lyric zephyr]

"a bit" (10 years ((that's when the first iphone came out, what most smartphones use the design of now))

[tacit wagon]

How about he makes the AS its own separate story for Hn2 since it seems to it’s own thing. Then the books are canon to the first game. Boom, problem solved. (Yes that would mean separate universes) if league of legends can do that with Arcane, why not HN?

[tacit wagon]

Agreed

[ripe berry]

Sadly AS is connected to both HN1 and HN2

Which means it has to be canon

to the main universe

because anything involving HN1 has to be in the same universe as the other things that connect to HN1 (the devs don't like 2 versions of HN1 to happen in alternate universe, hence why everything so far has all been in one universe)

[tribal talon]

Mainly anything that could be cannon should be

It would waste of detail and lore yk

[tacit wagon]

Okay but books have a completely different story than AS

Almost everyone here prefers the books

[candid harness]

Alex won't listen
He just ignores any question relating to retcons or what happened to the entire book story

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

Got asked like 6 times and answered the questions around them lol

[tribal talon]

What was the story like

[hazy slate]

These retcons are absolutely absurd

all they have to do is replace trinity moving in with Ivan, delroy, or scout, and then remove the smartphones.

[median stirrup]

"all they have to do-"
they won't.

[hazy slate]

they should

[lyric zephyr]

I'm sure the AS will be
okay story-wise, but it'd function better as its own thing instead of

Retconning literally everything that came before

also if Animasia actually put effort into the character designs that'd be great too

They only really tried harder with Trinity and Leslie for some reason

And Leslie is basically 1:1 other than his chin

[median stirrup]

the 4 point chin

they didn't have enough budget to make it smooth

[hazy slate]

I don't have trust in the AS story

[lyric zephyr]

I think it'll be an alright story on its own, just not an alright story for the HN Lore

Not the best not the worst

[hazy slate]

The fact that they are doing this honestly hurts me, I really loved the book story and it makes me angry that all that is going to go bye bye, they seriously need to fix AS to fit in the timeline WITH the books.

[lyric zephyr]

Too bad they won't

They already have like 5 episodes in production apparently

Sorry, HN is now set in like 2007, Trinity is new to town, the entire gang breaks into Mr Peterson's house multiple times (or at least Nicky does multiple times to the point where he even makes a joke abt it)

[hazy slate]

Then why can't they just slap the alternate universe or non canon sticker on it?

[lyric zephyr]

Because it HAS to be lore relevant it's the hip new thing..

It ties into HN2..

[median stirrup]

more

[hazy slate]

I don't care if HN2 has to be sacrificed

[hazy slate]

this sounds like garbage

[lyric zephyr]

true

"Okay, so the 90s was apparently too hard to write for. We need smartphones because that'll make it easier, for some reason. Move the entire timeline up by 9-10 years"

Legit you can accomplish what you can do with a Smartphone with the tech we've already seen in the HN series
A polaroid camera (pictures on the go), Brick mobile phone w/ an antennae (calling people in an emergency), Town Map (map)

[hazy slate]

Exactly

Why can't they go in and just change it?

[lyric zephyr]

Too late for that now

[hazy slate]

I know they are releasing the episodes in december but seriously

[lyric zephyr]

Sorry we need smartphones, don't worry, they'll be used smart and ONLY when needed !

[hazy slate]

pathetic

[lyric zephyr]

It's not like we have a character in the series well known for having a polaroid camera on him, who can capture photographic evidence and take it with him
We need smartphone w camera

Nobody like that exists in HN!

[hazy slate]

If they are going to have an HN story take place in the 2000s can't we just have a character like piper?

[lyric zephyr]

Nah, y'see Piper moved to Raven Brooks in 2021/2022 (which would now be 2031 with the moved up timeline)

[hazy slate]

Instead of ruining a perfectly good book series in order to make a cartoon that is probably gonna be hot garbage

[hazy slate]

I mean similar to piper

[lyric zephyr]

Act 3 now takes place in 2026 if it happens at all

[median stirrup]

I mean

it can take place earlier

the characters are aged up

they're all like 14 or whatever so there's still a possibility for it to happen in like 2017 and Nicky would be like 24 and not 30 something

[lyric zephyr]

I'm just going off of Alex saying it takes time a bit later and they already have smartphones, could be they do that

if Act 3 happens at all anyways, since it apparently didn't in the Reset Day continuity as far as we know

[median stirrup]

I mean the act 1 stuff happens later but it's very possible for everything else to have roughly the same dates

you can't tell me they moved the rest of the story into the late 2020's/early 2030's 💀

[lyric zephyr]

I can bc it seems like something they'd do

FNAF did it after all

(FNAF 3 is set in 2023)

[median stirrup]

yeah but in fnaf 6 and security breach things actually have some futuristic tones and stuff

[lyric zephyr]

True, but with the retcons who knows what all they could do

[median stirrup]

in fnaf 3 there isn't because it just has stuff from a very old location

[lyric zephyr]

They've already wiped out a lot of the book story and characterization

Why not just change times around to make it more modern and convenient for writing

[median stirrup]

yeah it's like

hey let's uh

do this instead

because uh

yeah

[lyric zephyr]

Because apparently the writers can't write for the 90s!

[median stirrup]

who says HN can't have smartphones in the 90s anyway

[hazy slate]

Can't they just wipe out the ties in HN2 and declare the AS non canon?

[lyric zephyr]

Alex, since he did say they moved time up to give them smartphones

[median stirrup]

I mean by extension HN2 takes place in 2000s as well now and they have 1950s TVs

[lyric zephyr]

Nope, too late for that

[lyric zephyr]

Not a single CRT TV exists in the HN universe other than in the books and the Diaries cutscene

[hazy slate]

They still have a little under a month to edit some cutscenes and such

[median stirrup]

diaries taking things directly from the books:

[lyric zephyr]

they ain't doing that man lmao

[lyric zephyr]

yep!

Diaries is noncanon now too!

Woopsie doopsie

[median stirrup]

so technically diaries doesn't count

because it's just the books

[hazy slate]

They really really should

[median stirrup]

they aren't redoing the entire story in one month lol

under 1 month

[hazy slate]

I don't think they have to, just edit out some stuff that would make making the AS non canon HN2 non canon

[lyric zephyr]

But we don't know what all ties into the AS lmao

even Otto is supposed to show up

[median stirrup]

so probably everything

or at least most things

[median stirrup]

no he is literally confirmed to show up

[hazy slate]

Nah, I don't think it'd be that much

[median stirrup]

we removed Otto from HN2!

[lyric zephyr]

So far things that have been ripped apart and/or retconned to fit the AS continuity are:
HN1, H&S, 7 books (The Nicky Trilogy, The Aaron Trilogy, The single cliffhanger Piper book), HN: Diaries, The Pilot (at least it was made noncanon thank god lol), and pretty much all characterization stemming FROM those pieces of HN media

It's retconned a lil bit of everything!

The only one left untouched is like SN because the only canon part is sitting in the lobby and imaginative planning

but even then design changes (made worse)

[median stirrup]

HNVR would like to speak

I think it is going to be canon

[jovial mural]

because raven brooks is sooo weird they invented smartphones much earlier than everyone else!! loore!!

[loud tartan]

HE don't want to speak

[lyric zephyr]

HNVR is noncanon now too tho! HN2, too

(The house layouts are different)

[hazy slate]

why can't they just slap the non canon sticker on AS and cut the ties in HN2

[lyric zephyr]

You've asked this like 6 times now man

They can't it's too late lmao

[median stirrup]

they literally have funny luck devices and whatever

[hazy slate]

or better yet, actually make the AS fit the timeline

[median stirrup]

oh and weather controlling machines

[lyric zephyr]

Too late for that too

[median stirrup]

because we have that in the real world!

[lyric zephyr]

Don't get me started on the Luck Device

[jovial mural]

the luck device

man hello neighbor lore is so friggin weird what the hell

[lyric zephyr]

There is no lore

[jovial mural]

i must be missing out on some crazy whack stuff yo...

[lyric zephyr]

It's just retcon after retcon lmao

[jovial mural]

:c

[lyric zephyr]

The lore was cool

[jovial mural]

and now it's shambles

apparently

[lyric zephyr]

Because the "book story didn't fit animation"

[glacial whale]

So does anyone have a timeline of the entire HN franchise of everything we know so far? I’ve seen timelines made before but curious with everything going on now.

[median stirrup]

literally all they had to do is not make AS happen later and it would be mostly fine

[jovial mural]

because the animated series with the family guy artstyle NEEDS to be canon!!

[hazy slate]

I don't think it is, they can still make some last minutes changes to HN2 to cut the ties. I don't think there is THAT much that ties into AS in HN2.

[lyric zephyr]

Graphic Novel 1 (Bosco Bay) -> Aaron Trilogy (books 4-6) -> Missing Pieces (Book 1) + Hide & Seek -> Waking Nightmare (Book 2) -> Buried Secrets (Book 3) + Act 1 -> Hello Engineer -> Secret Neighbor -> Search & Rescue VR -> Hello Neighbor 2 -> Graphic Novel 2 (Raven Brooks Disaster) -> Act 3 -> Reset Day
But scrap all of that for Hello Neighbor: The Animated Series

[jovial mural]

why are they seemingly pushing the animated series to be the hub of all lore

shouldn't I get that from, i dunno, the games...

[lyric zephyr]

Because it's cool and hip and they're putting money into it! And Alex CEO of tinyBuild himself is working on the show..

So ofc it has to be the main canon!

[jovial mural]

the AS literally looks like family guy I aint watchin that

not watching some kids goanimate video to understand the lore of these mediocre games...

[lyric zephyr]

I'm still gonna watch the AS, I'm interested, but I ain't happy with the implications of a ton of stuff being scrapped bc it was harder to write for

[candid harness]

Logically couldn't we just ignore it completely?
It's supposed to tie HN1 and HN2 together, but you can still basically understand what happens between games without the animated series at all

I don't think it's going to be as crucial to the plot as people say it is tbh

[lyric zephyr]

True, we could, but then we'd have the people who did watch it having different events happening, two different lores at the same time trying to tell the same story but differently

[loud tartan]

you cannot forgot that one scientist in the teasers on yt

[oblique drum]

hello neighbor animated series funny moments #938 #shorts

[candid harness]

Then the community can just banish the animated series the same way they did with the notebook

[lyric zephyr]

Did Nicky break in twice like in the books, once like in the games, or at least 3 times like in the AS? And likely going to be more than 3

[oblique drum]

at least its going to

[lyric zephyr]

too bad they can't do that with the games

hahaha

[candid harness]

I don't understand that

[lyric zephyr]

You dpm

[jovial mural]

#boycottTinybuild 😡

[oblique drum]

money!!

[loud tartan]

when you 🙏

[jovial mural]

they're going to say CRAP(18+)

[chrome palm]

😱😱😱

[young kayak]

what happening here

[oblique drum]

unfortunately no😢

[lyric zephyr]

HN: A game series about child kidnapping and endangerment! Meh, E10+
Now the ANIMATED SERIES, about the same stuff.. It's gotta have BLOOD, and VIOLENCE... Mr Peterson has to be like an evil serial killer. Higher than PG13!

[candid harness]

People are just expressing their distaste with how the animated series is being handled. I think it's reasonable tbh

[jovial mural]

hello neighbor lore is falling apart and it's all YOUR fault😠

[lyric zephyr]

We all know Comete is secretly Alex CEO in disguise

[oblique drum]

what did comete do wrong?!!?!?

[young kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[jovial mural]

:(

[lyric zephyr]

We can't have that in the games! No siree, that's for the kids! The Animated Series is for the real rough and tough hardcore older fans. The one thats animation and character designs is so cheap. THAT'S for the real mature fans.

Mr Peterson commits battery and attempted murder on at least 2 people in the AS just from scripts and a shot alone!

[velvet fossil]

This is the room for lore discussion not for lore fighting

[oblique drum]

i cant wait to see one of the kids get stuck in the bear trap
lying there
in a pool of blood
dying
pain & suffering😈😈

[jovial mural]

big kids only. no CHILDREN allowed.

[chrome palm]

Lol

[candid harness]

Nobody is fighting

They're just upset

[jovial mural]

we're mildly disgruntled

[lyric zephyr]

It's hard not to be upset when the lore is always getting retconned tbh

We don't know what's canon and what's not

[oblique drum]

dont worry guys mayak explains it all

[jovial mural]

don't worry guys it was all in the kids imagination because we hate fun

[lyric zephyr]

Eh imagination stuff is fine for SN and HE

It's part of their whole gimmick, the perspective of kids

would be cool to have an actual park game tho, not mixed w/ imagination

[jovial mural]

I mean there is the golden apple amusement park map in Secret Neighbor but it sucks along with all the maps that aren't map 1 so

[hazy slate]

There isn't any fights, We're just annoyed because the entire lore is falling apart

[lyric zephyr]

Map 1 is still the best

[jovial mural]

map 1 is the only map I can have any semblance of fun in

[velvet fossil]

It is still too early to be sure of anything, I am sure that everything will be explained when the time is right

[candid harness]

I agree tbh

[lyric zephyr]

True, at this point all we know is the book story isn't being used for the AS and that HN2 ties into the AS

[candid harness]

Sure it's a little disappointing but I really think the best thing to do is just wait

We don't know how any of this is going to actually tie together

But complaining isn't really going to help

I'm just indifferent right now

[velvet fossil]

I only ask that you be cordial and trust Alex's words

[lyric zephyr]

Guess we'll just see what happens in a month

Not that long of a wait

[median stirrup]

books and as/hn2 can be their own universes or whatever and still in some way connect to each other I guess

[candid harness]

I think it's fair to feel unsure knowing how much of the story seems like it has been changed but I'm willing to just wait and see what they do before deciding it's all bad

It's kind of the same case as HN2, people are forming judgements way too early on

[candid harness]

Yeah for all we know the books could still canonically exist as a separate timeline. We don't know yet

[jovial mural]

(no fun)

[candid harness]

Yeah yeah

[median stirrup]

and 1 day

although I think AS would release more with the official HN2 release and not the early access

[candid harness]

Oh right yeah

I'm pretty sure it was planned for December 6th so nvm

Regardless it's some time in a month, more or less

[median stirrup]

yeah

either way I don't think it's going to be bad or anything on its own
people tend to overreact before we get to know anything but I suggest to just wait

[candid harness]

Agreed

[median stirrup]

I don't think anyone ever said HN2 would conclude any book story. Either way even if it's its own story I think it will work just fine.

as far as I'm aware only one of the books said to tie into HN2 and I think it does with all the guest stuff going on and what not

[candid harness]

I think we need to just wait until the game is out before forming any judgements

[median stirrup]

definitely

It's not been said to "decanonize" anything. All we know is it changed some stuff up a bit, but that doesn't mean everything else will not have any meaning. It's best to wait and see.

It does not mean none of the events happened though, just that some dates changed.

We can't know before we see.

The same event happening a few years later wouldn't change anything in my opinion.

Or maybe it even doesn't happen later, as far as we know only the act 1 events happen later, but everything else could very possibly happen at the same time.

Either way we again can't know yet.

It doesn't really have to happen that late. Technology in HN was always different with weird luck devices and what not, it may as well happen in like what 2005 and in HN timeline maybe they just had smartphones back then and that wouldn't be too much different than around 1997.

[tribal talon]

Can't wait to see modern PCs in AS

[tribal talon]

It's gonna be epic !

[median stirrup]

And they could still very well happen at around those same times, or be shifted accordingly without any major changes happening, because what does it change if one thing happened in say, for example, 1972 or 1978, if everything else would be shifted as well.

I think people are overreacting saying that dates are way too important to not let any changes happen, and saying that books are definitely not canon whatsoever.

Sure, they are changing things up, but that doesn't mean that they have no meaning now.

[tribal talon]

True

[strange lance]

Why was my message deleted?

Like, it wasn't bad at all

Just jokey, and also true

But ok whatever

But yeah HE is after SN, not before

In HE Nicky already has missing posters, along with Mya and Aaron, in SN Nicky had like, just gone missing so

So it goes like: act 1, SN, HE (they somehow escape the sandbox, doubt the game will ever actually finish that story part) they escape, then HNSR I guess

HE is never gonna finish the campaign is it

[lyric zephyr]

Probably not lmao

considering they removed like almost all references to the followup world (Haunted House)

[strange lance]

I love cutting a huge part of the campaign, and then not finishing the story post campaign

[strange lance]

All we have left is the toy blocks, which have icons of each area 🥹

[tacit wagon]

Guys let’s all agree together that AS isn’t canon and tell everyone books are

[lyric zephyr]

Agreed

[manic dirge]

wait

AS isnt cannon?

[lyric zephyr]

we're all gonna pretend it isn't canon

[manic dirge]

why

[lyric zephyr]

We must band together and decanonize it /hj. I'll still watch it to see what it does bc it has me interested

[lyric zephyr]

bc it's changing up the prior lore a lot

[manic dirge]

ye true

like now act 1 is in the 2000s

[lyric zephyr]

If they're going by actually when the iphone came out, late 2000s

like 2007

[manic dirge]

ye it doesnt make sence

[unkempt sleet]

What are the things that AS is Retcon'd?

[lyric zephyr]

Trinity's entire backstory and lore, Nicky's break-ins and relationship with the main group (the main group never broke in! Only Nicky did, and he was TERRIFIED as he was doing it, not "hahaha hey look he won't leave his yard I've been chased out here like 5 times already"), Ted not being public with his wrongdoings (AKA he didn't go around committing attempted murder on store clerks in broad daylight), the Inventor's Club being an "official" thing while Nicky was around (it wasn't), Maritza's eye color, Trinity's eye color, Nicky's entire design other than the color of his clothes and his freckles (including hairstyle and eye color in this), The ENTIRE timeline has been moved up to the mid-late 2000s rather than the mid-late 1990s, Smartphones,

and I'm sure more stuff I either missed or that we'll see when the first episode releases

[unkempt sleet]

Oh, That's a lot

I hope they just not retcon stuff in AS. I hope they continue with the already existing stuff too

[lyric zephyr]

They don't

Alex confirmed they're not using the book stories

bc they don't animate well

[unkempt sleet]

Oh. That's not good.
So does this mean all of the books are non-canon? Or just not showing up in the AS

[lyric zephyr]

It basically just means

The AS is doing its own thing without using much of any of the books

[unkempt sleet]

Ok
I hope AS is actually good so it can be worth all the retcon

[lyric zephyr]

I'd say other than visuals it'll be okay at best

hopefully writing and music can carry the frankly bad redesigns

mainly Nicky

[unkempt sleet]

Yeah

[candid harness]

I think it's best to kind of look at the animated series as a reboot

Just look at the pre-AS story and the current AS/HN2 story as their own separate things

[lyric zephyr]

true

[candid harness]

Because even though they didn't say this, what they're doing is basically a reboot of the story

[unkempt sleet]

Yeah. Think AS as a reboot makes much more sense with what we got rn

[lyric zephyr]

albeit a reboot I don't rlly agree with because the new lore isn't as good as the previous from what we've seen

But I'd be alright with that

[candid harness]

I don't really think that we have enough to say if it's better or worse

This could either be a perfect way to bring everything together and tell a consistent storyline through the games and other media or it could be awful and unnecessary. We just have to wait to find out

[ripe berry]

It looks like the reboot that AS/HN2 are doesn't make any of the games non-canon

Like it's outright said AS is connects the story from acts 1/2 and HN2

Which keeps HN1 in the canon

Which also by extension keeps HNHS canon

It's been shown SN is canon via the appearance of Butcher in one of the AS clips from SNN

and HE is canon due to the Inventor's Club being in AS

Spoilers for HN2 (Don't click if you don't want spoilers): ||It also keeps Books 4-6 in the canon because the Museum has a image of the Forest Protectors in it||

[candid harness]

The goal with the AS is setting up a story that can stay consistent in all of the games, tie them together and also bring in stuff from the books albeit changed a bit
It's not really as bad as people say it is, sometimes changes have to be made to make a story consistent and there's already so many innacuracies between the books and the games something like this kinda had to happen eventually

The more I really think about the decision and why it was done, it's not as bad as I thought

[ripe berry]

They changed stuff to make the story make more sense

Like explaining SN (and HNVR) by having Nicky's Friends not leave him to rot down in Ted's Basement

[candid harness]

Yeah
In all honestly I think a retcon was kind of necessary due to how far off the books get from the actual game canon sometimes

[median stirrup]

to be honest people talking about how it would make books irrelevant when there's story elements that contradict between the books already

and the games

[candid harness]

Yes exactly

There have been so many inconsistencies already, it's not like they could fully tie in with each other without changes having to be made

[median stirrup]

and things from the newer books could still easily happen at the same time or at a shifted time

[ripe berry]

Like the dates (1996/1997/1998) (does HNHS lead right into HN1 or na)

[candid harness]

Yeah

I've already had thoughts of an ideal HN timeline that brings in elements from all canons and this is basically that, I think it's just the fact that the animated series looks so ugly that it's leaving a bad taste

[median stirrup]

because if ALL events are shifted by say 5 years then it doesn't matter that they were shifted in the first place

just
weird

although I'd prefer if say reset day still happened at the same time since it very well could even with act 1 being shifted a few years forward

[candid harness]

Even the time shift really isn't as big of a deal as people think

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[candid harness]

With how Raven Brooks is depicted as being stuck way back in the past even in modern day, I feel like this decision could have been planned for a while tbh

[median stirrup]

the only decision I don't like is how they made trinity move in instead of nicky
like when did nicky even move in now

[ripe berry]

Before Trinity based off the plot synopsis Alex | CEO gave us

[candid harness]

I feel like in this timeline Nicky's lived in RB for a while

That's what the HS launch trailer suggests too

[median stirrup]

well HS itself does

[candid harness]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Because they're clearly moving in in Stage 1 of HNHS

[median stirrup]

but I just can't process that they first made him move in later and now brought it back to him being in town before the Petersons

but it makes more sense with how the games portray it

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[median stirrup]

oh well!

[candid harness]

I'm honestly just kind of glad they're making an ideal canon where the games don't have to get changed
People have just accepted the concept of the books taking place in a different timeline for a while so I don't see how the animated series changes much, it's just expanding on the game timeline more and introducing book elements in a way that can actually work

[median stirrup]

yeah it actually just
brings back the game timeline

[ripe berry]

My brother in Nikita, the Books have never been in another timeline

Not until now at least

[candid harness]

I know, that's just how people interpreted it

[candid harness]

This is something a lot of people would have wanted, but the fact that it's being done by the animated series is the reason people don't like it

[median stirrup]

pretty sure the intention for it was for them to be another timeline that would merge together with the other one which is why the funny eye building existed

[ripe berry]

The only way they can make a game non-canon is by making the events of Book 1 non-canon

Which would be making HND non-canon before it even comes out

[median stirrup]

book 1 events can very well still happen no?

[ripe berry]

I was saying that they could make it non-canon

It still CAN happen but it's a question of IF it happens

[median stirrup]

why wouldn't it

it's one of the things that makes sense to happen with a few changes

[ripe berry]

Yeah I know

But it's still a possibility

[candid harness]

Yeah there's just too many things that don't add up. The two choices would be to have some weird Mayak dimensional nonsense (Which people see as lazy) or introduce a new timeline that can tie everything together properly and can be more easily digested by viewers as an actual consistent HN timeline

[median stirrup]

I mean it's better to make some of the book events not happen than have HN1 and HS, books, and HN2 and AS all clearly be separate universes that for some reason are tied together

because you can't tell me HN1 and HS are the same as the books
you just can't
some of the same events happen but it is not the same

[ripe berry]

The way I see it, only Books 4-6, 1, 7, and the Graphic Novels are canon to the current lore

Just with books 4-6 and 1 having some changes

[candid harness]

The later books were probably made with this decision in mind, while the earlier ones clearly weren't

[ripe berry]

(swapping out Trinity with Ivan)

[median stirrup]

clearly something was changed between earlier and later books

[candid harness]

Hell the earlier books were originally written with the idea of being a separate canon

They weren't meant to be the same continuity as the games

[median stirrup]

it shows

[ripe berry]

But then tinyBuild thought "hm? what if we make this canon?"

[median stirrup]

well now they un-thought that

[ripe berry]

Except for Book 1

[median stirrup]

I was never too keen on the first few books anyway
my headcanons always revolved around the game canon and half of the time I didn't even know what was happening in the books because I simply didn't want to read them

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[median stirrup]

so I hope AS will bring some good story
I don't think it will be amazing but also it definitely won't be as bad as people say

but we'll see

[ripe berry]

We'll see

[median stirrup]

either way I think people are always too quick to make negative assumptions

[ripe berry]

Yeah we always think of the negatives before going back to look at the positives

[candid harness]

It was the same with HN2. People saw change and thought the worst of it before really taking a moment to consider why the change had been made. I understand since I was guilty of that too but we need to really think about these decisions and their reasoning before jumping to negativity

[ripe berry]

I can say I've been guilty of it too

[silver vine]

Alex confirmed that AS is canon tho, it wraps the story of HN1 to HN2

he said it wraps HE oto

[candid harness]

We were talking about this earlier

I think people have been exaggerating how bad the retcon stuff is, really it was kind of a necessary step if they want to tie everything together into a coherent story

[strange lance]

Everything was conherent, untill HN2 got redone, with new writers. A lot of things seemed to be tying together with old HN2 and then it went nowhere

[silver vine]

imagine if they give Quentin a smartphone in a future HN2 update

[candid harness]

Not really

There was a lot of inconsistencies between the books and games and for a while everyone just kind of carried the mentality that they were separate canons

[median stirrup]

there was an absolute ton of inconsistencies between all the different books

not to mention between the games and the books

HN1 and HS is like a completely different world than the books

[silver vine]

and pls would you ever stop saying act 3 didnt happen in reset day

we already went over this

if he wasnt mentioned, it doesnt mean he doesnt exist

[candid harness]

People always talked about how inconsistent everything was but now Alex talked about the books getting retconned everyone is just kind of ignoring that and acting like they could magically tie together without any changes

A retcon was inevitable for the story to actually flow well between all media

[median stirrup]

well in AS it seems they brought back Nicky moving in before Petersons which was the case for HN1 and HS and now Trinity moves in later

[candid harness]

This timeline seems like it's a lot more faithful to the games, which is what a lot of people wanted

[median stirrup]

I'm not complaining because the books kinda drove me insane at times

[silver vine]

technology in HN universe is different 🙂

[median stirrup]

did you even read what I said

[candid harness]

I like to imagine the 1950s TVs are just RB being stuck in the past

[strange lance]

I'm talking about the overall story.

SN was starting the build up of MITH and Mayak (which didn't end up doing much in the end) HE was continuing the lore of time travel and time loops from Reset Day (which also went nowhere), old HN2 seemed to be trying to wrap that all together and it just didn't work, then the AS happened and new writers got on HN2 so they're just editing a lot of the lore, like a big redo of events, when they happen and how they happen

[median stirrup]

I was making a point about why couldn't they have smartphones in the 90s as well since the technology in HN is so different

[candid harness]

Yeah

Also maybe that stuff was changed because it just didn't really flow well, to me it seems like the story was all over the place at times and hard to digest easily

[median stirrup]

it's a weird decision to move the timeline by like 5-10 years but I guess it doesn't change too much

well
we only know they moved act 1

[silver vine]

also, HN2 and HNSR

[median stirrup]

the rest might as well be at around the same time as originally

[median stirrup]

we don't even know if HNVR ties into anything other than them planning to break in again like in SN

[candid harness]

I think HN in the 2000s is something I'm just going to have to get used to. It's definitely not a bad decision but it's just jarring after everything has taken place in the 90s except for RD and act 3

[median stirrup]

I guess other than having like smartphones so far it didn't make much of a change

[candid harness]

Yeah

[silver vine]

well, to an extension one could say HND is also not that much touched

it doesnt have Trinity

[strange lance]

I'm pretty sure they could've made a story in the 90s, idk what Alex was talking about with the book stories not going into animation well it definietly could've worked

Just alter some things

[median stirrup]

because it didn't really need to be
if we assume that in this new timeline the events of book 1 still happen somewhat

[candid harness]

I think overall trying to put the book story into an animated show while also trying to make it consistent with the games would have resulted in something weird and messy. It seems like a simpler choice to create a new timeline

[strange lance]

They made it more messy by changing a bunch of things too. Everything is just messy

[median stirrup]

yeah no you just
couldn't tie it with the games this way

[candid harness]

We haven't really seen the show yet so we don't know that

[median stirrup]

it would either be games or books

[median stirrup]

if we take the game canon and not the book canon they barely changed anything

[silver vine]

oh right, forgot about HE, Alex did say that AS is gonna wrap around the story of HE, so

[strange lance]

I think my main issue is Trinity

Why

Just why

[median stirrup]

again, if we take the game canon it makes sense Trinity moves in

because in HS Nicky is already there before the Petersons move in even

[strange lance]

I think they just did that as a funny reference imo

[median stirrup]

wdym funny reference

why would they specifically put him there if he wasn't meant to be in the town back then

[candid harness]

I don't think Nikita just puts stuff like that in unless he actually thinks it fits into the story. The launch trailer also implies the Roths already live there

[median stirrup]

HS shows Petersons moving in in the first stage

why would they specifically put Nicky in that stage

also speaking of trailers I want an animated HN2 trailer like the HS one

[strange lance]

Also Nicky being there before Ted only happens in that one iteration, it's never like again

[median stirrup]

because the books decided to change it

[candid harness]

I can understand the choice of making Trinity a new kid since it helps people more easily understand what's going on
Like, it would be a lot to take in if the show started with book Trinity already knowing everything she does, it'd just be hard to keep up with especially since she's supposed to be the protagonist

[median stirrup]

and only the books

[crystal scroll]

So just make Nicky the new kid

Problem solved

[median stirrup]

wouldn't help making the books canon somehow

because they wouldn't be able to get it to make sense

[candid harness]

Nicky being the protagonist works until you take stuff like act 2 into consideration and think about how, if this is going by games we already kinda know his story. It seems like the show is focused a lot more on his friends

If it was focused on Nicky it'd kinda just be a retelling of HN1

[median stirrup]

it very much seems to be trying to tell a story closer to the games but without retelling the exact same thing we already saw

[strange lance]

Can't for the AS to explain all neighbor concepts

For some reason

[median stirrup]

simply imagination

if SN can pull that one why couldn't AS

[candid harness]

I'm honestly curious how they're going to explain all of that stuff

I don't see why exactly it has to be explained unless they have a really good reason for it

[strange lance]

I doubt the "explanation" for all neighbor concepts is just imagination

[median stirrup]

I don't see why the neighbor would wear a flaming pattern shirt and walk around with butcher equipment and it somehow be explained coherently in the story

[strange lance]

Um he wears different clothes duh...

[candid harness]

I appreciate the effort to try and link together everything we've seen somehow, I just hope they do it well

[median stirrup]

I think it's going to be just okay

nothing special but not bad

[strange lance]

I can't wait for prototype fat Ted to be explained

[candid harness]

True

[strange lance]

"I heard Mr. Peterson was a fatty" "woah, anyways"

[candid harness]

Yeah that's honestly my expectation. It seems like it's actually sort of promising but I'm not getting my hopes too high for it

It's going to be better than the pilot at least that's all that I care about

[strange lance]

Personally, I think HS and HE tell their lore and story the best, because the games flat out tell you and give you hints without leaving you clueless (don't kill me)

And you don't really need other media to understand

[silver vine]

descs of Book 7 and GN2: Ties DIRECTLY into the newest hello neighbor game! 🫠

[strange lance]

[median stirrup]

they said to tie in

not that HN2 will conclude their story

completely different thing

[candid harness]

Tbh I think Book 7 and GN2 both still stand well with the current timeline

[median stirrup]

yeah

with the guest stuff in HN2 it works

[strange lance]

They do (thank god)

[candid harness]

They were probably written with the current story direction in mind while the older books weren't

[strange lance]

Also Reset Day ties into HE very well, so that's nice

[silver vine]

what? how?

AS takes place wayy before those two

[strange lance]

I think they meant since all events take later now thanks to AS

Which doesn't decanonize at all

[median stirrup]

doesn't make RD or GN2 non canon

[candid harness]

RD could logically take place in present day and I honestly think that makes more sense

[median stirrup]

it can very well still take place in present day and not in the future

just characters would be slightly younger

[silver vine]

or maybe, they could use those time travel time loop shnanigans to explain all the inconsistencies, retcons and changes to the lore

[candid harness]

Yeah they still have all of this weird time stuff going on I'm sure they can find an easy explanation with that lol

[median stirrup]

b-but a-as b-b-bad 😿

I think that's legit the reason people don't like this
because it's AS
if it was an another book or whatever people would be just fine with it because funny time travel motive and whatever

[candid harness]

I think people would be more willing to accept the choices they're making with it if the artstyle just looked better

[median stirrup]

probably

[oblique drum]

imagine as in gn2 art style

[median stirrup]

it still baffles me how they can make beautiful backgrounds and better looking background characters than the main cast

[candid harness]

The characters look really weird and cheap but I can accept it as long as the story is still good

[strange lance]

RD focuses on time loops, HE foscuses on time travel, and they tie together. Does any other HN media talk about time loops I forgot

[median stirrup]

uh

I don't think so?

but it makes sense for RD and GN2 be completely canon to AS and by extension HN2

[strange lance]

GN2 also like hints at it, which is connected to HE since that happened before ("You can't change the past can you") cause in HE he tried and failed.

RIP Ted you failure

😢

[silver vine]

thinking about this, if Nicky moved in before Petersons in the new lore, then, Nicky couldve easily played the role Trinity did in books 4-6

[median stirrup]

he could if those are still relevant in that way

[silver vine]

yes, all of the events of book 1 can very well happen in the new lore, as the cartoon picks up at the time of Aaron and Mya's dissapearance

the only thing from book 1 which couldnt happen is Trinity blowing a kiss to Enzo

and Im happy about that

[silver vine]

tbf, we dont really know that, cuz, the AS begins at the time when Aaron and Mya are missing

we could only know that when it drops

[median stirrup]

it still seems to make him move in earlier

or I mean

it would make most sense to

[silver vine]

Im sure this has def entirely retconned, cuz, if he did move at that time, park wouldnt have existed

[median stirrup]

hmm

[silver vine]

exposition of the cultists wouldnt have happen

[candid harness]

Unless they had a different explanation for it here

[silver vine]

I doubt they changed it for just only for the books

Nikita planned the park to be in the games

if Peterson moved in at the time of HNHS, that means park wouldnt have existed

[silver vine]

well, clown already got a really good explanation(they're prob retconning that cuz clown looks too monstrous in the AS now)

[median stirrup]

literally pennywise

[strange lance]

Sad moment

[candid harness]

The sad part is that it's the 2017 version

[strange lance]

Surprised a pennywise SN skin isn't a thing yet

[median stirrup]

well
in that case they could still make nicky move in at around the time of when HS would happen

[candid harness]

Who's going to tell him

[strange lance]

The new one

[candid harness]

Yeah ik it was just funny considering

I'm sorry but I can't help but just see this as a man dressed up as Clown Secret Neighbor now

[median stirrup]

secret neighbor reference

[silver vine]

I mean, the OG Clown was Pennywise too, but the older version, the AS Clown is the newer monstrosity of 2017 Pennywise

[candid harness]

I liked that. It was a cool 90s horror movie reference and now it just feels like "Look guys the neighbor is hip with the cool new horror movies of today! We're so in touch!"

[strange lance]

If the AS of all HN media actually has lots of cool thing, like more mayak, or maybe even a MITH appearence then I'd be happy

[candid harness]

I can see it

It has Leslie so who knows

[strange lance]

Imagine cops arrive scene in AS

[candid harness]

It's probably going to happen tbh

If the show is going to tie up the loose ends between HN1 and 2 then it makes sense

[strange lance]

If that happens MITH would have to be there

Unless they just banish him from existence

[tribal talon]

We miss MITH

We miss MITH we don't want bald journalist we WANT MITH

#MITHSweep

[loud tartan]

never

[strange lance]

Unless a miracle happens MITH is nowhere to be seen

Besides SN

[verbal jewel]

Hello neighbor 3

Return of mith

[hazy slate]

but they never finished the old story

book 7 never got proper closure

[lyric zephyr]

RIP

[hazy slate]

I would prefer the mayak dimensional nonsense, I just really don't like the fact that the timeline is being screwed with, if they had simply not changed the year I'd be okay with some retcons to some degree.

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh, the Mayak just being a “fix-it-all” answer to everything would still be really meh, but at least it’d confirm multiverse/different timelines

[hazy slate]

with the fact that reset day exists (it might not soon), I can see this still working.

[silver vine]

my fav theory is time travel/time loop shnanigans messing with the timeline

which could explain most of the inconsistencies

[strange lance]

Same

[ripe berry]

Ah, a more generic version of the conclusion I got to using hints about Ted trying to go back in time to save his family but failing to explain away the inconsistency in the dates between HN1 + HNHS and the Books (which indirectly led to a explanation to explain every inconsistency)

[candid harness]

For all we know it still could

We don't know that they're abandoning literally everything

Not everything from the books is going to get purged out of existence

People just came to that conclusion on their own

[ripe berry]

Only Books 2 and 3 (+Guidebook) are

[candid harness]

I think they're only changing things that really don't translate well between a book and a TV show or don't line up with the games

Generally just refining the timeline and making it easier to view and keep up with

The book timeline works for a book, but there would be so many difficulties trying to turn that into a story that's supposed to stay consistent with the games

[ripe berry]

The timeline now is GN1, HNHS Stage 1, Book 4, Book 5, Book 6, Book 1/Rest of HNHS, Start of AS, Act 1, SN, HNVR, HE, Act 2, HN2, End of AS, GN2, Act 3/Finale, HND, Book 7

[tribal talon]

What is gn

[ripe berry]

Graphic Novel

[plucky python]

chill out

[hazy slate]

welcome newcomer

to the land of the hello neighbor lore nerds

[tribal talon]

This story better not be retconned to hard.

So many people paid a lot of money for every game and every book.

[silent steppe]

This true?

Because I thought GN2 proved it wasn’t

[grave kayak]

i think they're on the fence if the books are canon or not rn

both tbh because they both have some content of guest peterson

[urban fulcrum]

nope aint true

at all

[silent steppe]

Yeah it can mimic stuff

[urban fulcrum]

its a demon it can do anything

[grave kayak]

like i heard somebody talk abt whether the books are canon will come out with the AS but idk

i think this december

no specific day tho yet

[urban fulcrum]

the same day that HN2 comes out

[grave kayak]

oh epic

[urban fulcrum]

i think both idk

[grave kayak]

and alex said they're gonna show how the different concepts and possibly skins/classes of the neighbor like, fit into the story? something along those lines but i guess we'll have to find out

[pliant estuary]

how can it be both?

[grave kayak]

im gonna guess normal release

its only by a few days but deluxe seems too early for the AS

[pliant estuary]

i heard somewhere that book 2 and 3 are getting cut from the cannon, is that true?

[young kayak]

off topic

[pliant estuary]

sorry

[lyric zephyr]

We get HN being set in the mid-late 2000s, The entire group breaking in together for some reason, Nicky not being too freaked out at all and having been chased by Ted multiple times across the street

[candid harness]

This is supposed to be more in line with the games so doesn't that make sense?

Nicky in the actual games was never that scared of Peterson, he was more just curious if anything

The books invalidated half of what the games told us and nobody's complaining about that, now the AS is making the games the primary basis for the story and now people complain

[median stirrup]

(probably because it's AS)

I mean I'm still not the biggest fan of the time shift but other than that it seems alright

[candid harness]

Yeah

The time shift is the only thing I'm really kind of iffy about

People complain about money wasted on the books but like
I guess the combined $60 for HN1 and HS also went to waste after Missing Pieces came out?

People are just making more of a big deal out of this than necessary when we've gone through this same song and dance before

Except this is an actual opportunity to have a consistent story

[median stirrup]

the books can still be relevant and the later ones (RD/GN2) 100% are

[candid harness]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

At this point I'm wondering what

(frick I hit enter too early, just pretend this is one message) has been confirmed and what hasn't

[tribal talon]

A new lore?

[tribal talon]

#old-spoilers , please,

[ripe berry]

#old-spoilers

[ripe berry]

I'm asking this because I am actually going to make a document explaining the current state of the Hello Neighbor Lore after finding out about some of the retcons from AS

[feral brook]

it would be useful, at this point I don't know what has been retconned and what hasn't. I'm a bit lost in the lore

[pliant estuary]

wait, just a quick question, do you think the Neighbor will be a killer in AS

[verbal jewel]

Probably not

He doesn't kill directly

Just is responsible for many deaths

[candid harness]

He's a man of many manslaughters

[verbal jewel]

He was /j you guys

[lyric zephyr]

6 counts of manslaughter

But he was just messing around, just pulling a few quick pranks with his rides!

[verbal jewel]

Ted makes a youtuber apology

[candid harness]

His apology is literally just
"You can't spell manslaughter without Man's Laughter! HAH!"
And then he marches off to go cause another mass tragedy

[verbal jewel]

God that's so him

[tribal talon]

How much do you know about HN?

You’ve been very helpful

[ripe berry]

Let's see, I know about pretty much everything in the games (like how there's oddly a second car crash going on behind Nicky at the start of Act 1), I also know some stuff about the Graphic Novels, most things from the Books (my memory's not the best so I forgot a few details, hence why I'm having to ask the "what's been confirmed and what hasn't" thing for the document), and pretty much everything we currently know about the AS

[tribal talon]

Ok thanks you’ve been helpful

[tribal talon]

Speaking of AS when will the 2nd ep come out on YouTube?

[ripe berry]

First off we don't know for the Second episode

[tribal talon]

We’ve seen images

[ripe berry]

But (because Pilot doesn't count as Episode 1 now) first episode in December

Since Pilot is no longer the first episode we have no clue about Ep. 2, but they said first Ep. dropping around the release of HN2

December 6th most likely

[oblique drum]

neighborhood news confirmed it pretty much

its dec 6th

[ripe berry]

We don't know however if the second Episode (or beyond) drop the same day, a week from then,

Or any other amount of time after the First Episode drops

[silver vine]

December

[spare inlet]

Is the animated series going to be on a streaming service or is it just YouTube I wonder?

[oblique drum]

we dont know

[autumn obsidian]

I originally thought they would post all the full episodes to tinyClub but i have no clue

[tribal talon]

What’s tiny club?

[stiff spire]

it's an exclusive youtube club where you can a have access to special updates that aren't seen anywhere else

but you have to pay for it it's 1.99 I think

[stiff spire]

if that answers your question

[candid harness]

They didn't cancel it but members only teasers are way less common

They used to frequently tease the AS on there

Then they just stopped

I don't think there's been a membership exclusive teaser for a few months now

[crude dew]

I mean, making one specific person responsible for an entire amusement park ride's failure, which is at least being built and designed by, like 20 people, and already the blueprints go through 20 people...

I'll tell you, every single "death" in the books which happened in the amusement parks, did happen in real life. they are all based on irl events. people did survive and only got injured. but never in these cases, was one person blamed, but the entire amusement park company, which is multiple people.
so, from writer's perspectiv- / shot

as for the AS, my prediction is that Neighbor will be "the bad guy" and adults in general will rather have negative role than positive (excluding parents maybe) and the kids will be the good ones, because you guys can identify yourselves with them.

in the books, the neighbor thing was on the very edge if you watched carefully (especially in book 4-6) but....idk about the cartoon.

[crude dew]

cough

[inner lichen]

They did that with he who shall not be named

Like, Alex confirmed the funny man was eviscerated from the canon

[tribal talon]

Who

[inner lichen]

Funny player_shadow

He is canonically eviscerated

[tribal talon]

Oh ok

[inner lichen]

Does not exist in canon

[tribal talon]

Thank god he is

gone

[tribal talon]

How do I get it?

[oblique drum]

buy youtube membership

on tb's channel

the blue button next to the sub button

[inner lichen]

yeah, that's his model name

Alex officially confirmed he was eviscerated from canon

and does not exist in the HN universe

So even if his house exists in HN1 as a reference, he doesn't live there.

whatever barebones universe exists, yeah

and in whatever universe/projects the community comes up with.

[daring yacht]

Finally

[tribal talon]

And how much is it?

Do I have to pay monthly?

[daring yacht]

yes

[silver vine]

yes, even in the books, the entire company was blamed

the entire golden apple corporation was blamed by the court and it went bankrupt, Peterson was proclaimed not guilty

but the citizens of Raven Brooks wanted to throw their anger on a PERSON, not a faceless company

even Nicky emphasize on that

if your child dies, and some faceless company is responsible for that, how'd you feel

[crude dew]

oh yeah. people are like this. they find a scapegoat.

"jokes" on you, not my child, but a friend of mine died because of a faceless company. in real life.
it feels ||very bad, but I cannot word it the way I want to because it would have cursing||

it is also stated not once by Carly, that Peterson was forced [by another person, who funded the project] to build a bigger rollercoaster, despite he knew it'll be unstable.
makes me question, if this was the only job opportunity for him (to receive money and feed his family etc), because he could've switched jobs ya know.

don't even get me started about the townspeople (people do this irl that's why I was pissed) ; if I were his wife, I'd pick the man and we'd move to a faraway farm, with noone in a 3 km range.
HN farm spinoff confirmed. 🙄

[strange lance]

Ted is the farmer...

Farmer mailbox in HND, barn next to his house in HN2, amazing lore

[crude dew]

🧠

[strange lance]

Why are the citizens of Raven Brooks so dumb.

Museum keys stolen, they don't make new keys, many storms and missing kids where they live, stays in the neighborhood, Lucy dies, immediately burn the park done and possibly kill more people. Also, they blame Ted for Lucy but also don't believe Nicky when he says Ted is a creep and kidnapped?

[torn inlet]

Am I the only one who wonders if the coffin in alpha 1 is important or if it was just there

[strange lance]

In the house with the teacher mannequin? Had to do with the player's past for the old story

[stiff spire]

I feel like the teacher mannequin in the alphas was a teacher the neighbor hated so much that he buried his teacher which represents the mannequin

[crude dew]

the two eldest things in HN: neighbor's car and fear school

lock_smith_? veri funi smh

yes, but it can't be written in a message
iT's long

also, not story, stories.

😏

dude, it took me 3 years to research them
it's actually kinda complicated

yeah, seriously

[strange lance]

From what we got, the player did something in their past, then they crash their car and the neighbor picks them up and drives off to the hospital. You are in a coma and you're at the big alpha 1 house, the neighbor is actually the devil and is torturing you for your sins I guess, all the things in the houde are things from your past (gun, sharkotron, teacher in grave and whatever else would've been in the house) if you win you wake up from the coma, I don't remember what the bad ending was.

The gun and teacher in grave = player probably did 🔫🧑‍🏫

For the full game, we don't know

There was a hospital in the alpha 1 house too

Or would've been

Player did some bad things

So yeah that's the gist

I guess?

But the devil is there so

We play as the neighbor, fighting off the devil disguised as the neighbor?

Interesting

[ripe berry]

Pretty sure I saw that somewhere before

[crude dew]

https://tenor.com/view/skinenr-gif-20761908

um
all I can say is...matpat theories are kinda

odd

so if you want to start researching, start with the game itself instead

[strange lance]

The devs way back used to put out hints for the story, it's easy to put together

Plus with concept art knowing rooms and stuff for the layout

[crude dew]

cough Faust

[wicked heath]

wait what dat

oh

[strange lance]

Also the jesus painting

And the bull mug

So matpat was right, a little

[crude dew]

Faust is not exactly religious, since he makes a deal with the satan 🥹

ah yes
the portrait guy theories
aw old times

I kinda lost the line, but Jesus

[strange lance]

The kiss of betrayl

[wicked heath]

thats a painting

not a photo

[strange lance]

Not everything just the important things are part of player's past

[ripe berry]

The Paintings are references to the fact that Theodore is the Devil in Alpha lore

[crude dew]

dude
Faust

because it's important

[ripe berry]

Faust

If I see Faust mentioned by SOSED again then I'm asking them to explain what it meant for Alpha Lore

[crude dew]

Faust is 500+ pages long
so um
another novel topic

I mean, read the plot of it

[ripe berry]

Alpha Lore moment

[wicked heath]

what did that even mean

crash, neighbor car and then...

[crude dew]

puddle

[median stirrup]

me when tumbleweed in alpha 2 files

[median stirrup]

or was it the modkit

I don't remember

[lyric zephyr]

Man this next HN book prequel is weird, not even one mention of Mr Peterson

[crude dew]

um
files
I put it on a render

[ripe berry]

This thing?

[crude dew]

yeah, his name is Henry in the book, don't get mixed, Retro ☝️

[median stirrup]

yes

to think all this was an actual part of the story at some point

[crude dew]

yeah, the meatball from Cloudy with a chance of meatballs

nothing, Retro was joking with Faust

[ripe berry]

Don't forget there was some Cactus parts in the Alpha 2 files if I remember right

[crude dew]

yeah. cactus was cool

they most likely wanted to make this scene

[loud tartan]

the