lore-discussion

[chrome palm]

U gotta use spoiler tags

[ripe berry]

Where else COULD Aaron be BUT the Museum

The Police are at Ted's House

GAAP isn't in the game

[tribal talon]

Oh sorry

Oh yea where’s Ted?

[ripe berry]

There's no where he could be BUT the Museum

[chrome palm]

In hn

[ripe berry]

So how is that a Spoiler

[chrome palm]

Nvm

[ripe berry]

Yet for some reason it was deleted anyways

[chrome palm]

U sounded like you were giving a defenitive answer

Bruh how do u spell defenitive

Is it correct?

Whatever

[ripe berry]

Because there's no where else he could be at so it basically is a definitive answer

[tribal talon]

Oh hm

Any ideas on what could happen to Peterson in the end?

[chrome palm]

Idk

Oh shoot

[ripe berry]

You realize by referencing the leaks you're basically giving spoilers

[chrome palm]

Uhhhhh

Ok then

Anyway

lore

[ripe berry]

More specifically in that way when I just explained it's assumed

[tribal talon]

Hm

[chrome palm]

Ok now there is no point of continuing this conversation

[tribal talon]

If Arron is free from Nicky then who’s in the basement right now?

The missing kids?

[ripe berry]

Well you see we have no clue because (Warning this is a Full Game Spoiler don't click unless you want to get spoiled please seriously don't click unless you want to see the spoiler) ||The Ending is a cliffhanger with Quentin getting knocked out||

[tribal talon]

Hm

Where did you get the info?

[chrome palm]

Why did I click that

[tribal talon]

Idk

[chrome palm]

Aghhhh

[tribal talon]

Where did you get the info tho?

The books?

[chrome palm]

Leaks

[tribal talon]

Hm

[chrome palm]

||hn3||?

[ripe berry]

No one is in the Basement in HN2 (Just saying here so someone doesn't think I got it from the leaks the leaks don't have Neighbor's House in them)

[ripe berry]

||No more likely to be concluded in the AS||

[chrome palm]

||do we know if Quentin is in the AS||?

[ripe berry]

Leaks (hence why I'm having to stress every time I make a reference to HN2 nowadays if I'm using the leaks or na)

[ripe berry]

||No but if Mr.Otto and Leslie are why not the other HN2 Characters (including Quentin)||

[chrome palm]

Ok well I’m gonna go now

[tribal talon]

What’s the demo all about

[chrome palm]

Cya 👋

[ripe berry]

Cya

[tribal talon]

Everything floating

Nothing making sense

[ripe berry]

Demo seems to be a dream-like sequence with Quentin breaking into Ted's house and getting into the Basement

Most things in the demo for this reason aren't canon

I say most because of Two exceptions which no aren't from the leaks

[tribal talon]

Everything should be cannon tho

If not there should be a purpose to exist yk?

[ripe berry]

They're a Missing Poster for a Journalist and a article about the Museum being Closed and Keys being stolen

[tribal talon]

Like alpha two a lot of info that reveal the future game and that doesn’t matter

That panting of the neighbor and that other guy no point unless it’s a confirm Easter egg yk?

Everything has a purpose right?

[ripe berry]

The Painting is a reference to Alpha Lore

HN1 Alpha Lore is self contained

[tribal talon]

Didn’t the demo bring a golden apple?

We seen golden apples since alpha 1

From the origin in Alpha

[ripe berry]

Ye but that already existed in HN1

Full Game

[tribal talon]

That’s what I’m saying

Everything should have a purpose

Yk

[ripe berry]

HN1 Alpha Lore is self contained

Meaning it doesn't influence current lore

Heck in HN1 Beta 3 the Neighbor was still the Player's dad

So if HN1 Beta 3 isn't canon

Then why would everything in HN2 Demo be

[loud tartan]

I love when my dad is a ruthless killer and can still kill me even if i am his son

[tribal talon]

Sometimes it feels like they are

[ripe berry]

However HN2 Beta and Demo do contain SOME canon info like the Missing Journalist, the characters, and most likely the Neighbor's House segment of the Beta

and also the "Closing the Museum, Keys Stolen" article

and the locations

[fiery otter]

imagine closing a whole public place just because the keys were stolen

Watch me steal the keys to the McDonalds down the street and then have it close down

[ripe berry]

I mean... it could unless someone breaks down the door to it

The Museum probably can't have it's door broken down since it's a old building that the town is trying to preserve but I'm not sure

[fiery otter]

Also, I know I said this in the main HN channel already but nobody really acknowledged it, so..
I think I found the irl Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

Where is it

[fiery otter]

It's Liberty, Missouri

It's a small town right outside Kansas City, the house across the street from the mayor of Liberty's house looks just like the HN2 mayor's house, there's an amusement park in between Kansas City and Liberty

And it's on the side of the river

Go look it up on Google earth

[ripe berry]

the People in Liberty Missouri when a theme park designer that lives there's son and daughter go missing:

[wicked heath]

yes im sure satan is still canon

[fiery otter]

Obviously satan is goose

[wicked heath]

Alpha purpose is to test and recieve feedback

[ripe berry]

(The plot of HN has started)

[urban fulcrum]

is this it?

[wicked heath]

wait wha

[fiery otter]

Yes

[ripe berry]

Basically Coolwing here thinks Liberty Missouri is basically where Raven Brooks would be if it's a IRL town

[wicked heath]

hmmm

[urban fulcrum]

wheres the museum

[wicked heath]

back then, golden apples had some culturistic meaning behind it. Now its just candy

[fiery otter]

Right here

[wicked heath]

when the

[urban fulcrum]

what about the blue house

[wicked heath]

"We went to reallife hello neighbor and found a dead BODY OMG!!!"

"like and subscribe!"

[ripe berry]

Dead body found in cemetary (yes I know I misspelled that plz don't hate me for it)

[tribal talon]

Ooof

[ripe berry]

Bru the image was deleted

[tribal talon]

Imagine

[ripe berry]

I looked at Liberty Missouri on Google maps and the town has pretty much everything I'd expect Raven Brooks to have (Museums, Bakeries, Factories, Supermarkets, Amusement Parks, Churches, etc.) with more then one of most of them with a Weather Station in the neighboring town

So I guess it is Raven Brooks

[fiery otter]

I'll repost with cropped out address

[tribal talon]

My question is

Why is every house being bigger

Also will happen to Peterson in the end out of curiosity

[tribal talon]

There's a funny thing that also happens but I won't say what it is.

[fiery otter]

Image is back but without the address this time

[ripe berry]

ok

[fiery otter]

I think the original context was that this house looks like the museum

[urban fulcrum]

where's the real life blue house

[ripe berry]

ye

[fiery otter]

Idk why the cropped version didn't save

Hold on

There we go

[fiery otter]

Image right above this message

[urban fulcrum]

its not blue

[fiery otter]

Other than the color it's a close match

[urban fulcrum]

here the house

an then theres your house

[fiery otter]

It's not a one to one match

Also the image you chose doesn't show the whole house

[ripe berry]

Ah yes

(why the heck did I make this)

[fiery otter]

you know what discord function I'm about to use

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here is the house that looks like the Mayor's house:

[median stirrup]

in what way does this look like the mayor's house other than being white

[fiery otter]

Garden, large rectangular windows with little square panes, and the shape of the roof

[median stirrup]

wow a garden

totally specific to the mayor

and the windows are normal size

[fiery otter]

I don't see the other HN2 characters with a garden other than the baker's small decor plants

Also, this white house is significant because it's across the street from the house of the mayor of liberty

[median stirrup]

ok so?

[fiery otter]

That's very close to being the actual house of the mayor.

[median stirrup]

it's not the mayor's house either way

just some random person's house across the street

[hazy slate]

what is wrong with you?

[ripe berry]

Get the Neighball guns

/j

[manic dirge]

i wonder what the upstairs in the hn books looked like

[wicked heath]

perfect pfp

[wicked heath]

umm... it changes every books

[verbal jewel]

That's the fresh prince of Belair

[wicked heath]

yo

[lyric zephyr]

Guest

[wicked heath]

its a bird

man thing

[sudden garden]

Ok case closed back to the main chat

[lyric zephyr]

Gonna put together all the appearances of the Guezt either being able to show up out of nowhere, and him potentially taking the form of a crow

Able to talk with her, somehow ALREADY knowing her name

Appears then disappears behind her car

[wicked heath]

wdymm

oh bruh i didnt notice the prisss

[lyric zephyr]

It saying “Prisssss”

Lol

[wicked heath]

thought it was wind noise

[lyric zephyr]

Walks out into the middle of the road to make them crash

[wicked heath]

they are miles away from their house

with a car

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

[wicked heath]

yet he is catches up

[lyric zephyr]

And he managed to somehow catch up and just waltzes out into the road

Randomly appearing inside Peterson’s glovebox

[wicked heath]

so this is a physical being to u?

[lyric zephyr]

That same crow apparently being able to talk with Ted directly, reminding him of the circuit breaker

Then appearing out of nothing in front of Ted then strangling him

[wicked heath]

ha i just get it "no offense"

[lyric zephyr]

True

[wicked heath]

so you tell me that bird phased through its cage, then into the basement, but did not do the same in the glove box?

[silver vine]

or potentially possessing/talking thru the crow

I dont like the idea of the guest being able to "transform" into a crow, like the neighbor does in SN

[lyric zephyr]

But, why wouldn’t it be able to turn into a crow. Instead of just talking through one. We legit see it just form out of thin air/water

Just materializes

[wicked heath]

i doubt this crow is the same as guest

in book 7, we had crows standing in the middle of the street

[silver vine]

it calls out Pris name

[wicked heath]

both different

[wicked heath]

maybe connected, but not the same entity

[lyric zephyr]

The Guest can either become crows or can control them directly

[wicked heath]

i mean, crows obey to mr peterson so...

they help him build the machine

[lyric zephyr]

No, the crows bother Mr Peterson UNTIL GN2 which seems to be the latest in the timeline except Reset Day

In the AS pilot he screams at them while holding the luck device (tho that isn’t canon anymore), Early HN2 he was screaming at them on the roof

Then again, the Guest seems to have influence over Peterson in GN2, so he probably uses the crows to keep an eye on him

[wicked heath]

pilot

[lyric zephyr]

And guide him on building the machine and “taking away what people don’t deserve” (the Guest’s apparent main goal)

[wicked heath]

hmm

now that gets interesting

reminds me of a snake from a cartoon i watched as a kid

[silver vine]

Im supporting the latter

[silver vine]

I dont think thats a luck device

[lyric zephyr]

It’s little thing with a gem in the middle

[silver vine]

luck device has no gem

its just a brass paperweight

[silver vine]

this really reminds me of the gems from reset day were described

"a steam punk looking dial with a gem in the middle"

[lyric zephyr]

Wasn’t there a pic of the luck device with like a metal base and a massive crystal on it

[silver vine]

yep, it definitely has a crystal

(openable inside)

[unkempt sleet]

There was an another picture later in the book

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, or in another book

[unkempt sleet]

Yeah

[lyric zephyr]

It had an octagon metal base with buttons, and then a massive crystal on top

[silver vine]

it wasnt a crystal

[lyric zephyr]

Almost like the shape of a pencil

What was it

[silver vine]

lemme get that

[silver vine]

there

[unkempt sleet]

İn Puzzle Master

[lyric zephyr]

Oh it’s a pentagon base

Only 5 sides

[silver vine]

Im convinced the thing which Ted was holding in the pilot was one of those gems from reset day

"steam punk looking dial with a gem in the middle"

pretty much matches that object he had

anyway we aint gonna gain anything by talking about the pilot

[lyric zephyr]

But it also matches the general shape of the regular luck device, a pentagon with a gem in the middle

[lyric zephyr]

Fair

[silver vine]

...

srsly?

I just told you

no luck device ever had a gem in the middle

I've read every single page of every single book of HN

[lyric zephyr]

Then what tf is this

[silver vine]

is that a gem?

[lyric zephyr]

It’s a gem or a crystal, it’s something shiny and pointy

[silver vine]

does it look anything like that thing from the pilot

[lyric zephyr]

It’s a pentagon shape

And has a gem/crystal in the middle, which the pilot got a lot of designs wrong

Maybe his thing was just, kind of an Inbetween

Reset Day gem design mixed w that luck device

[silver vine]

the luck device doesnt have a steampunk looking dial tho

[lyric zephyr]

Neither does the thing in the pilot

[silver vine]

while that thing from AS pilot has

what actually is the defintion of a steam punk looking dial?

[lyric zephyr]

Maybe something like this?

Which this thing is just

[silver vine]

anyway, whatever it is, its pointless about arguing what it is

[lyric zephyr]

True

[tribal talon]

It's the thing from the HN Prototype (real)

[loud tartan]

Anyways

basically

Mya is the daughter

and Aaron is the son

of Mr.Peterson

[ripe berry]

There's also the Guest which is a Demon thingie that is impossible to properly figure out

[loud tartan]

"aktually, he's an entity and a urban legend"🤓

[manic dirge]

yes🤓

[hexed rock]

I don’t think the original HN game lore is overly complicated. It didn’t take long for me to understand it. Doesn’t mean it’s bad though. I liked the direction it went.

[real light]

did the neighbor lock aaron in the basement?

[ripe berry]

Yes

[hexed rock]

Possibly

[real light]

also... uh i think Hello Neighbor 2 takes place between act 2 and 3 of full game

[ripe berry]

But now we have time loops, forest protectors, luck devices, Weather Stations that can control the weather, etc.

[ripe berry]

Yes

[hexed rock]

That’s a theory I’ve had for a while. Mya was killed by Aaron, the neighbor got mad, locked him in the basement, and the mind of a child is making him look like a shadow demon/shadow boy.

[manic dirge]

ye but act 3 doesnt happen for YEARS

[hexed rock]

Mind*

[ripe berry]

No the Thing is not Aaron

[manic dirge]

yea its not

[ripe berry]

The Thing is a representation of Fear/Trauma

[real light]

thats what i thought

[manic dirge]

oh

[manic dirge]

i think ive heard someone say that once

[ripe berry]

Aaron is confirmed to be in the Basement by Book 3

[hexed rock]

I thought of that to, but there is a lot of possibilities. I just try to consider everything, anything could potentially be right.

[real light]

Also is the kid who unlocks door in act 2 kids in secret neighbor

?

[ripe berry]

But Nikita(the Creator of HN) says that that(Thing=Representation of Fears) is correct

[ripe berry]

No

That is... ALSO Aaron

[hexed rock]

No. Completely different house.

[real light]

oh

[ripe berry]

The SN Kids are Nicky's Friends

[real light]

i see

[hexed rock]

Yeah. Cardboard cutout confirms it.

[real light]

my interpretation of 2 is that nicky has gone missing and whoever the one guy is is coming to find out where he is

[ripe berry]

SN is a plan to save Nicky but the house looks different due to the mind of the kids corrupting the house's appearence

Act 2 is a distorted memory

the Neighbor's House never really changes between games

Maybe slight layout changes

[hexed rock]

I never said it wasn’t correct. Some theories are just to make you think “what if…” sometimes. That was one of those examples.

[real light]

HOW DOES the girl turn into the key btw

[ripe berry]

But nothing really happens to the outside

[ripe berry]

Mya never turned into a Key

[real light]

but the grave...

you open it and there is a key

[ripe berry]

The Neighbor moves Mya's dead body between his backyard and the Golden Apple Amusement Park(The place Hello Guest is set in)

[real light]

HN lore is complicated

[ripe berry]

During Act 2 she's buried at the GAAP

[real light]

i see

i havent played guest yet

[ripe berry]

(most likely, not confirmed tho)

[hexed rock]

Was the act 1 basement the actual basement or the child’s over exaggeration? Basement seems way to big and over exaggerated.

[ripe berry]

No that's the actual Basement

[real light]

bro the neighbor has deep pockets

[manic dirge]

no

[loud tartan]

Mya transforms into a key before dying

(lore)

[manic dirge]

its very real

[real light]

also is fear market and school trauma from childhood

[ripe berry]

Most of it is built from Underground Tunnels that go under all of Raven Brooks/Wayron Croobs

[hexed rock]

Childhood trauma. It’s called “fear ____” for a reason.

[ripe berry]

All the Fear Rooms are

[manic dirge]

the market is when nickys grandma left him at the market

[real light]

wait but what is closet

is it fear closet

[hexed rock]

I have no idea.

I don’t know what it means

[lyric zephyr]

Fear Darkness, afraid of the dark

Its title is Fear Darkness

So I guess it takes place in a closet/pantry bc it’s usually dark

[real light]

i see

what is the story for the alpha pre and alpha 1?

is it diffrent

[ripe berry]

C O M A

[lyric zephyr]

Different but we don’t know it for sure

Potentially Coma yeah

Something something player car crash

[real light]

ok same thing in full game

[hexed rock]

Same thing. Just a very early version of the story.

[real light]

i see

but instead the neighbor kills you

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, not really
Player crashes into a telephone pole and goes into a coma and dreams all that stuff

Somewhat similar but not really

[real light]

i see..?

[ripe berry]

(This art is part of the reason Pre-Alpha Lore is thought to be coma (this + Teaser Trailer))

[hexed rock]

I never understood why the neighbor’s house in the beginning of act 3 was just wood. Did it burn down or something? I never had that question answered.

[lyric zephyr]

We never got a definitive answer

[ripe berry]

Burned Down

[lyric zephyr]

Looks like it might’ve burnt down

[lyric zephyr]

But don’t think it’s ever been confirmed

[real light]

i think the neighbor either died or was arrested @hexed rock or maybe it rotted?

[ripe berry]

Presumably by Aaron

[hexed rock]

Figured. I just really don’t understand how it happened.

[lyric zephyr]

Either Aaron did it or the town pulled a Books 1-3 GAAP and burnt it to the ground

[ripe berry]

(They said Hide and Seek would reveal who burned the house down and Aaron is a fire in Stage 3)

[hexed rock]

Ohhhhhhh

I never finished Hide and Seek.

[real light]

beat it and deleted it coz it kept me up

[ripe berry]

Ted... well...

[real light]

well is the neighbor ded

or is he trapped in basemen

[lyric zephyr]

We honestly don’t EXACTLY know what happens to Mr Peterson

There’s tons of conflicting stuff in places on the timeline

[real light]

maybe he summoned crow and crow killed him?

[lyric zephyr]

Reset Day he’s apparently fully become the Guest and trapped the town in a time loop in 2020, but for some reason Nicky isn’t around
GN2 there’s like smart phones and modern cars but it seems to be before HN2 because the police aren’t after him

[ripe berry]

Guest forms from water as Ted tried to turn off Weather Station that somehow controls weather that he used to flood the town

But then just a few pages later...

[lyric zephyr]

Possession Moment

[hexed rock]

If that’s the case, why don’t we see anything to resemble it in the beginning of act 3? Not even a single peek of it. Might just be to save storage or time, but we see NOTHING resembling the basement.

[lyric zephyr]

Because just, reasons. We don’t know lol

[ripe berry]

Probably collapsed again due to the Fire

But nowhere is that confirmed

[lyric zephyr]

But if it collapsed there’d be a massive chunk of the Neighborhood collapsed in on itself

[hexed rock]

Yeah

[lyric zephyr]

Also the basement stairs as a whole don’t exist on the burnt Act 3 Intro model

[real light]

also why at the end of the game neighbor is trapped in basement.. in the house?

[lyric zephyr]

He’s not trapped in the basement

[ripe berry]

Symbolism I guess in the Self-Therapy thing that is Acts 3 and Finale

[real light]

also who does the neighbor kidnap

[ripe berry]

Because Ted/The Neighbor/Mr.Peterson doesn't seem to have ever gotten over his fear of loosing his remaining family

[real light]

at act 1

[ripe berry]

That is Aaron you hear screaming

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, Aaron

[real light]

oh

but it was afternoon

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh I always saw it as Nicky never loses his fear over Mr Peterson, but he separated him from the rest of his fears or something

Yep

[real light]

at the end of H&S

[ripe berry]

H&S is set a year or 2 before Act 1

[lyric zephyr]

No it isn’t?

Where did you get that from

Or did you mean like, set 1

[ripe berry]

What I said, HNHS is a year or 2 before the events of HN1 Act 1

[lyric zephyr]

How

[real light]

When does Nicky hear Aaron screaming then

[lyric zephyr]

So Ted just, decided to randomly wait a year before deciding “Yknow what? I’m gonna throw my son into the basement”

[hexed rock]

Didn’t Aaron getting locked up? The neighbor didn’t wait a year to do that. It’s a few days after those events.

[real light]

and are nicky and aaron friends?

[lyric zephyr]

Yes

[hexed rock]

Maybe not even days

[lyric zephyr]

Probably like, a day

[manic dirge]

who is in the coma?

[real light]

Pre alpha man

[lyric zephyr]

Pre-Alpha/Alpha 1 Player

[ripe berry]

Look HN1 doesn't make the most sense with the current lore

[real light]

we should call him timmy

[inner lichen]

AKA the man who was never developed past a placeholder playermodel, and... yet another placeholder playermodel.

[lyric zephyr]

But how did you decide that H&S just, is a year before?

[manic dirge]

yeah ik that but who is it?

[lyric zephyr]

We don’t know lmao

[hexed rock]

Nah. It just didn’t hit him that Aaron killed his own sister immediately. 🤓

[ripe berry]

But from what I remember Mr.Peterson sometimes let Aaron out of the Basement

[manic dirge]

oh ok

[ripe berry]

I was using Current Lore to say that

(Aka Books 1-3)

[manic dirge]

is act 3 before reset day?

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

[real light]

is aaron guilty for killing his sister

[lyric zephyr]

Act 3 is like, 2017

[lyric zephyr]

Pretty much, though it was on accident

[manic dirge]

when is reset day?

[lyric zephyr]

Like I think 2020

[ripe berry]

In Which Book 1/HNHS in in 1995, and HN1 Act 1/Book 3 has to be at least a year after that

[real light]

what is reset day

[manic dirge]

but how

[lyric zephyr]

We don’t know!!

[ripe berry]

Earliest 2021

[manic dirge]

cuz in reset day teds house is not burnt down

[real light]

please i need answers reset day what is it

[lyric zephyr]

And Nicky isn’t in the town

[ripe berry]

Because of Enzo(Detective from SN)'s kids

[lyric zephyr]

A very, in my opinion, bizarre book

[manic dirge]

its one of the hn books

[real light]

i have none of them

[ripe berry]

This is what I meant by "HNHS is a year before HN1 Act 1", the current lore makes it have to be that way

[lyric zephyr]

The main points of which I remember are like
Time loops, Smokey Guest, Magic Steampunk Gemstones, Smartphones, Riots, and Ms Tillman

[lyric zephyr]

Wait so when does Ted let Aaron out of the basement?

I don’t remember that

[sudden garden]

What about Jay? 😡

[lyric zephyr]

He ain’t in Reset Day

[sudden garden]

He is he's the main character (JOKE)

[lyric zephyr]

Piper Jay Tillman Roth

[ripe berry]

Pretty sure it was a day or 2 before the Book version of Act 1, but they retconned the Act 1 intro to just kinda... not entirely happen

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh, all the weird happenings right before Books Act 1 I imagined were Ted trying to get Nicky to come over

That was his whole goal in that last book

Flashing the light out the window, the screams, etc etc
He wanted Nicky to break in so Aaron could have a friend

And to shut Nicky up

[ripe berry]

So it may not actually be Aaron screaming in the Act 1 intro but instead Ted's latest attempt to get Nicky to get inside Ted's house

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

He does have some kind of sound system set up, since he blasts carnival music from the basement door

Even tho the park part of the basement is way deep in

[ripe berry]

yeah

[real light]

Mya ... she shouldve been fine with no doll

[ripe berry]

I'm not 100% sure but I think that doll was a gift from her mother on Christmas before she(Diane/Mya(and Aaron)'s Mom) died

So it'd make sense she'd try to get it back then

[wicked heath]

reset day is an event that comes in every week or so after november second

when it happens, time will rewind back to nov 2

[ripe berry]

Hi Neighbor Lore:

[wicked heath]

basically the plot of "if HN was realistic"

[ripe berry]

No way Smashbit was right

they predicted major HN lore 5 years ago

[wicked heath]

ikr

[toxic mist]

freeze happy birthday

did you just tell ari when ur birthday is

[ripe berry]

No they

(give me a bit)

They kinda

[manic dirge]

happy birthday Freeze

[real light]

i always thought guest was before Hello neighbor

and player was young neighbor

[silver vine]

2021 and 2022

[silver vine]

did you srsly forget book 2 exists?

[silver vine]

we dont know that

we didnt see him =/= is not there

[silver vine]

act 1 intro did happen

it happened in the morning

why is just everyone nowadays just forget what happened in the books

[tribal talon]

Yo do you guys know when the 2nd episode of hello neighbor animated series comes out on YouTube?

[oblique drum]

yes

[lyric zephyr]

But wasn’t Aaron kidnapped right away? And not a year after

That was my point in the argument

[wicked heath]

aaron attempt of escape

[lyric zephyr]

Books 1-3 kind of deny that, since Ted convinced Aaron into believing he deserved to stay locked in the basement

[wicked heath]

aaron isnt convinced by Mr Peterson specifically. If Aaron could escape, he would. But he just believes he sorta deserves whats happening to him

but if its someone like Nicky, he would rather make sure he would escape first, resulting in him sacrificing his freedom for him

Aaron is the one who called himself a monster. Aaron is the one who wrote the "OMEN" on his picture (nicky mentions two different handwriting between Mr. Petersons notes in book 3 and the photo in book 1)

[silver vine]

yes, Aaron was kidnapped right away, but Nicky was kidnapped only a year after

[silver vine]

Aaron literally tries to escape Ted in book 3

[shell gull]

Are You Sure? He Wasn’t Mad At His Dad and He Didn’t Want To Ruin His Dads Reputation.

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, in Book 3 either Aaron randomly changed his mind or Ted set that up to lure Nicky in

Since Aaron is apparently super dirty and has completely given up by the time Nicky got down there

[lyric zephyr]

Since everything Ted did in Book 3 was to try and seclude and break Nicky as much as possible to the point where he finally breaks in right when Ted wants him to

[silver vine]

have you even read book 3?

in the morning, HN1 intro cutscene literally plays out

Aaron fighting Ted, Ted locking up Aaron, the only difference is that at the end Nicky escapes getting caught by him

and then in the night, the gameplay takes palce, Nicky finds Aaron, and Aaron says he deserves to be in the basement

[tribal talon]

Best parent of the year award goes to…:THEODORE PETERSON

[craggy wadi]

I think that the house is alive and possessed the neighbour and that's why he vandalised the white house in 1985 with a bombshell

who agrees?

[tribal talon]

So you know at the end of act 2 Nicky tells his friends about the Neighbor

[silver vine]

doubt it

[tribal talon]

They don’t believe him and call him crazy for stalking on him

Trinity should believe

[silver vine]

I doubt he ever spoke to them after his escape

[tribal talon]

Micheal said they did

But

If I was one of his friends I’d be a little creeped out if my friend was stalking this middle aged man

Trinity should believe him though

[silver vine]

he doesnt have any evidence to back that up

[tribal talon]

True

[silver vine]

well, she saw lights flashing from the house, along with Nicky, yet, she decided to lie to their friends that it was Nicky imagining those lights

so

[tribal talon]

So…

[alpine oracle]

is there a lore for pre alpha man after pre alpha and prototype

[strange lance]

Nope

[loud tartan]

I cannot believe black sosed with a lowpoly head is not from the lore...

[ripe berry]

I never directly said that, but there is a chance

A unlikely chance

but still

[wicked heath]

coma

[ripe berry]

So basically, he in coma

[wicked heath]

or smth

[inner lichen]

I've heard theories that the weird stuff in the neighbor's house was like

stuff from the player's past at some point.

Not sure where I heard it, but it's probably plausible?

[silver vine]

guys

I have a question

why does the guest actually possess ppl

[strange lance]

Pretend to be others, possibly gain trust?

More sturdy forms

[shell gull]

Possibly To Interact With The Physical World.

[silver vine]

he can already do that without possessing anyone

[tribal talon]

I hope this series takes a darker approach. I really do. It just feels so underwhelming despite the potential the story has. It just feels too safe for a horror game. I won't spoil anything, but the Aaron books were pretty good even with the darker approach to them. Especially with things revealed in Puzzle Master.

I mean, take a look at FNaF. It has a pretty disturbing storyline going for it. Bendy isn't that scary but it has a pretty dark story with what they do with people using the Ink Machine.

Hopefully the Guest arc leads us down darker paths. One more fitting for a horror game. Sure, the game's story can be depressing, but it isn't exactly...scary.

[buoyant arrow]

Tbh the Aaron books took an absolute detour into the dark stuff and I loved every second of it

[stiff spire]

also the teasers they sent for the AS seems like they wanna go in darker

and they had blood in one of the scripts so it's gonna be intended for older audiences and kids

kind of like how gravity falls played out

[buoyant arrow]

o h b o y

[candid harness]

I don't understand why if the AS is going to be blood-filled and mature HN2 has to be family friendly..? Figure out what demographic you're looking for

[stiff spire]

idk maybe they just wanted the AS to be dark

I feel like hn2 will be dark in some kind of way

[lyric zephyr]

Not really, they're marketing it as Family Friendly Horror

so, probably something in line with FNAF Security Breach (also Family Friendly Horror)

Dark themes in the backseat but not really dark at all otherwise

[silver vine]

they are marketing it as family friendly horror

but Ira did say in the steam QNA that they will reveal some few unknown dark secrets in HN2

[tribal talon]

That never happens

[buoyant arrow]

So is it gonna air on YouTube or Netflix or something like that?

[unkempt sleet]

Youtube probably

[tribal talon]

Tv most likely

[buoyant arrow]

I had a thought

What if the barn area that we see in the HN2 beta is where that farmer character will be in the full game?

[tribal talon]

Uhh

About the farmer

He is uhh

Well

Umm

[buoyant arrow]

O H

Sorry I didn’t know about that

man I really need to stay updated on HN2 news

[tribal talon]

||Based off the leaks at least||

[candid harness]

Not confirmed, don't spread misinformation

People just assume that from ||leaks!|| which is not a good idea

Just sit and be patient and wait for the game to come out before jumping to wild conclusions

[tribal talon]

What I said was ||He was scrapped|| (not confirmed (plz don't delete my message this time mods (can't wait to get muted!)

[ancient nymph]

I just want to say that, for me, I need confirmation but, I think that Hello Neighbor's chapter 2 is fake, it is not canon

If it is canon, it makes no sense to make Hello Neighbor 2

[urban fulcrum]

"act 2"

[tribal talon]

What

[ancient nymph]

That, act 2, sorry

[lyric zephyr]

Oh yeah, Act 2 is only partially real

[tribal talon]

Act 2**

[lyric zephyr]

The only things that are certain to happen are just Nicky got out from the back cellar doors and ran across the street

No giant fences, no building on stilts on top of the house, no house changes

[ancient nymph]

I just think that, if Quentin has to find Aaron and Nicky, I think that act 2 can't be canon

[lyric zephyr]

That's a fair guess, but we're not entirely sure what the game wants to do with Nicky yet

[ancient nymph]

If Quentin doesn't find Nicky, now then it can be canon

[lyric zephyr]

So I guess we'll see when fullgame releases

[ancient nymph]

Well, I hope that he finds him

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh yeah it would be cool to

[ancient nymph]

And, if in the final game, Quentin finds Aaron or Nicky, then in Reset Day why it is supposed that they have never been found (or that is what I think by the paper that says no more missings)

Ok, we need Hello Neighbor 2 to realise to continue with this

[verbal jewel]

We don't talk about reset day no no

[ripe berry]

Nicky and his parents move out of town before the citizens can realize that Nicky escaped

[verbal jewel]

Well now we know why it's a background house jdjd

[ripe berry]

and for Aaron there is a explanation but I'd have to move to #old-spoilers to say it

[verbal jewel]

As the roth familyeft before the journalists could try and get a hot scoop (Quentin)

[tribal talon]

It seems like no one on Hello Neighbor's storywriting team really knows what to do with anything.

A lot of the time, this series feels very thrown together with its story.

[lyric zephyr]

Fair, but now especially, likely thanks to the AS writers working on HN2 and retconning Trinity’s entire existence

[tribal talon]

Act 3 not being a dream is 100% a lie. They had no intention of making that reveal. They refuse to elaborate because they don't know how to justify Act 3 not being a dream.

So we kinda just forget it exists.

[median stirrup]

well no

Nikita said it's not just a dream

it's also self therapy

it's both a dream and self therapy

[tribal talon]

Act 3 feels very useless, honestly.

Sorry to be negative, but there's not much there.

There's also an issue I find with the story. Most of what we're presented with is usually not canon.

[buoyant arrow]

Act 3 is basically Nicky coming to terms with his inner demons/fears

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

Hello Engineer, I'm pretty sure, is not canon. Neither is SN. Hello Guest is no longer canon due to story changes. And the things that are canon in the first game don't feel too important. You trim the fat and all you get is a kid being kidnapped after seeing his weird neighbor doing something across the street, experiencing trauma, and getting over it.

You could read the books and completely skip the first game and miss nothing. Every single game up to this point can be skipped. All you need is the books to know what's going on. HN2 is the only one so far to bring something new. I hope this changes with the new game.

The series finally giving us info through the games.

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, ofc HG isn’t canon it was always just a early version of HN2, HE yeah it’s just a weird spin-off, SN only has 1 canon part (the kids sitting in the lobby)

[tribal talon]

The show also contradicts the book/game story massively.

[lyric zephyr]

Well the pilot isn’t canon but the current scripts we have yeah

Nobody’s happy about what the Animated Series is doing

[tribal talon]

This is what I am saying.

[lyric zephyr]

They ripped Trinity out of the entire HN timeline

[tribal talon]

Almost nothing is canon.

[tribal talon]

Are you serious-?

[candid harness]

Why does Alex have to be so painfully out of touch

[lyric zephyr]

Yep. First episode is Trinity being the new girl in town!

[lyric zephyr]

Rather than being born in Raven Brooks and being there before even AARON was

She now comes in after Nicky

[tribal talon]

What about the Bales family being well known and a high contributor to the town?

TinyBuild just...doesn't care anymore. Do they?

[lyric zephyr]

Because he’s a fan of his own idea of HN, and being CEO, he can change that/influence that

[ripe berry]

Mayak on it's way to explain how Trinity has just vanished from most of the HN timeline up until Buried Secrets and also why Enzo, Maritza, and Inventor are siding with Nicky after the Local Grocer Incident:

[candid harness]

Why can't we have a CEO who actually knows what people want out of a franchise and cares about more than profits

[tribal talon]

No clue.

[buoyant arrow]

Random question

When does the AS take place?

[lyric zephyr]

Before Act 1

And after

And also way after probably

[median stirrup]

it happens always

truly

[buoyant arrow]

ah kk

[candid harness]

There's people like Ari who genuinely care about the fans and keeps in touch
Then there's Alex

[tribal talon]

This is why I am starting to go to the Bendy and FNaF franchises. Bendy had a rough start with stealing fan theories, but their dedication to make BATDR and the books shows they now have a solid plot.

[lyric zephyr]

Heck Enzo even visits the Taxidermist (even though the Taxidermist is supposed to be an old loner on the edge of town)

[tribal talon]

They bounced back. Yet Hello Neighbor seems stuck in the mud.

[ripe berry]

Around the time of Book 3(Buried Secrets), HN1 Act 1, Secret Neighbor, Hello Engineer, HN1 Act 2, and the start of HN2

that is when AS takes place

[lyric zephyr]

Still never gonna support BATIM thanks to The Meatly and Mike Mood

[candid harness]

BATDR
Dedication
I hate to tell you but

[tribal talon]

Mayak isn't gonna do shi

They are dedicated.

[lyric zephyr]

But god why does the lore have to change in every installment bc like, Alex and the Animated Series Henchmen change major details

[tribal talon]

But their lawsuit is slowing progress.

[lyric zephyr]

*Lawsuits

[median stirrup]

I don't think this is the place for this discussion

[lyric zephyr]

True

Back to Alex and the AS writers ruining the lore

[tribal talon]

If JDS didn't fire all of those employees and PhatMojo didn't sue 'em, it'd be out. But I digress.

[tribal talon]

Agreed.

I love how the new characters in AS don't look like HN characters!

[ripe berry]

AS Writers looking for the biggest details to completely retcon out of existence:

[lyric zephyr]

I love how SOME do though! Like Leslie! Who they got almost PERFECTLY

[tribal talon]

It's hard to stay interested in the series when they do this.

[lyric zephyr]

But the main cast? Nahhhh

[lyric zephyr]

Thanks Animasia

[tribal talon]

Mr. Peterson was alright. Not the best, but he was alright.

[ripe berry]

(Trinity being born in RB, Nicky's friends abandoning him, etc.)

[tribal talon]

And then he got knocked out and probably never shows up again!

[lyric zephyr]

(Nicky’s friends never even broke into Mr Peterson’s house!)

Especially not WITH him!

This brings me back to a very sarcastic prediction of how I think the first episode of the Animated Series will go..

[ripe berry]

I tried to hold hope that they at least TRIED to make the lore of AS accurate

[lyric zephyr]

Sarcastic prediction of AS Episode 1:
“I am Trinity and I am new in town. Wow our neighbor knocked out a guy, despite the fact in the lore Mr Peterson is not my neighbor. Unless of course they slap me on the same street as Nicky for plot convenience, something the Pilot even didn’t do. Oh, wow. I think our neighbor may be a murderer, but my parents won’t care. Oh wow, these people at school also think Mr Peterson is up to something. Oh wow, they all elaborate on what they saw him doing. Oh wow we should break in. Oh wow this Nicky kid knows a lot about Peterson and how he doesn’t cross the property line. Oh wow, the break in failed pretty hard. Oh wow, Nicky is missing. Oh wow I may or may not have a nightmare about being thrown into the bone basement, or it may actually happen we don’t know yet. The episode is over.”

[tribal talon]

AS writers think SN actually happend 😨

[lyric zephyr]

Ofc lacking a few details now

[ripe berry]

and that Nicky's friends wouldn't end up siding with Nicky

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Throw that hope out the window

[tribal talon]

"Oh wow. This isn't even canon."

[ripe berry]

Yes

[buoyant arrow]

Tbh all we can do is hope

[tribal talon]

Episode 2 retcons episode 1 and makes it non canon 🥶

[ripe berry]

There's not really any other way to interpet this along with the script of Trinity being trapped in the basement

[tribal talon]

The series is retconning itself now!

[ripe berry]

The script of Trinity being trapped in the basement feels like a reference to the SN launch trailer

[tribal talon]

AS writers don't seem to know how to write HN lore so they retcon everything,

[lyric zephyr]

Just like how they’re giving the 90s kids smartphones and modern cars

[ripe berry]

Me introducing the AS Writers to the Nicky Trilogy (they see that they have made 5000 mistakes across the 6 episodes they've made so far):

[lyric zephyr]

No more Trinity! No more 90s!

No more reclusive Taxidermist! He let Enzo come over and watch him do woodworking!

[tribal talon]

I am so close to losing faith in the franchise.

[ripe berry]

*AlexN says Enzo sneaks up on Otto and is... surprised by what he sees

[lyric zephyr]

All the kids are mega best friends with Nicky and break in with him and SN is canon and everything in it is real!

[lyric zephyr]

Damn, so he decided to break into this old dudes house

[tribal talon]

If HN2 doesn't repair most of these issues, I am so done.

[lyric zephyr]

Here’s a hint on what will happen…

The HN2 story is being written by the AS writers

[tribal talon]

Oh no

[lyric zephyr]

It’s confirmed.

[tribal talon]

Oh no.

Nonono. It's ruined.

We're screwed

[ripe berry]

Including

[lyric zephyr]

Flying

[crystal scroll]

Quentin's van will be replaced with a Tesla.

[ripe berry]

Guest being able to jump 5000 feet in the air

[lyric zephyr]

The Nabber Rimmor!

[tribal talon]

TinyBuild had their chance to fix everything.

And this is what they do?

[lyric zephyr]

For once we CAN blame tinyBuild!

[tribal talon]

Waste my time and money?

[tribal talon]

But Quentin's van is cool (the new one at least)

It looks awesome

[lyric zephyr]

Still says Rimmor

[ripe berry]

The AS writers on their way to read the books so they can make the lore the exact opposite:

[urban fulcrum]

NOO why did they have to hire them

[lyric zephyr]

I’m still trying to keep hope for HN2 but like, storywise not so much

[tribal talon]

Because Nikita left

[lyric zephyr]

Nikita’s still there tho

He’s just taking a backseat and working on his own stuff

[tribal talon]

Is he still writing the story of hn2?

[ripe berry]

(They hate everything the HN franchise stands for)

[lyric zephyr]

No, the AS writers are

[ripe berry]

No

[urban fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/874593399368478720.gif?v=1

[lyric zephyr]

Still hoping the best for HN2’s gameplay

But like the story not as much

[tribal talon]

So he left the writing team

[urban fulcrum]

whhhy

[candid harness]

We don't know that he left anything

Stop jumping to conclusions

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

Ok

[lyric zephyr]

I just said at least he’s taking the back seat to work on his own things

[ripe berry]

Or at the very least doesn't give a frick anymore

[candid harness]

Me going into full game after everyone did nothing but talk about how much they hated the map and story and enjoying every bit of it:

[lyric zephyr]

I’m more complaining about the AS story tbh, HN2’s is still mainly up in the air

[young kayak]

we don't know anything about it and it's better not to create assumptions

[candid harness]

^

[ripe berry]

Why did I see a Bendy Reference

[tribal talon]

Why was that message deleted

Idk.

[ripe berry]

Not lore related

that's my guess

[tribal talon]

I was reading it

It's discussing the lore.

That was literal lore discussion.

Well

A mod deleted something discussing the lore.

[median stirrup]

EXACTLY
people complain way too much about what we didn't get and don't appreciate what we ARE getting

[tribal talon]

If Alex the CEO doesn't care about the HN lore and yet is able to allow major lore changes, I don't know how good the lore of this franchise is gonna be in the future

[tribal talon]

We get tablescrap of story. The main meal isn't canon.

[jovial mural]

I mean, it's.. something, I think

[candid harness]

According to leaks that we don't know will even represent the final product.

[fiery otter]

but we aren't getting didly

[ripe berry]

tinyCrow on his way to say everything is canon because a old thing from AS Pilot/HG era said so:

[median stirrup]

of course you all say that 🤡

[tribal talon]

They keep rewriting it. They keep being too safe when it's a horror franchise.

[candid harness]

It's all just gloom and sadness every day about this game I'm just ready for it to come out already so we can know if the leaks actually are what the full game is like or not. Not that it matters to me really

[ripe berry]

(It was from AS Pilot behind the scenes)

[tribal talon]

Anyone wanna correct me?

[candid harness]

I'm still going to enjoy the game regardless of what people try to make me think

[median stirrup]

idk people complain about small map but like
a bigger map that has just as much locations just makes you walk longer
and I think the town looks beautiful, the game has beautiful visuals in general

[candid harness]

I'm indifferent about the small map. It's not what I would've wanted but it's nothing to act like the world is ending over

[tribal talon]

They keep retconning and making things non-canon.

[tribal talon]

Nope.

Hard to argue with something true.

I was so into this story, too.

[ripe berry]

(AS Pilot was since made non-canon)

[jovial mural]

the game looks great! I just hope the game will at least be.. at least mediocre.

[tribal talon]

Carly Anne West should've just written the lore herself.

[stiff spire]

the mayor's name isn't tweed from the AS right since the pilot is not canon

[median stirrup]

it's not tweed

[candid harness]

His name is MAYOR

[ripe berry]

(#nog-simming was made )

[tribal talon]

Or Zac Gorman. Zac literally made Over the Garden wall.

[median stirrup]

at this point they should make his second name mayor so he can be mayor mayor

[median stirrup]

death

[candid harness]

Comete, we were discussing lore and using the channel for its purpose like you said

You did not need to purge the entire chat.

[median stirrup]

mayor mayor will come for you in your sleep

anyway it'd be funny if he was actually mayor mayor

[tribal talon]

Not needed purge tbh

[candid harness]

Wonder what Nicky is doing nowdays
Hopefully getting therapy

[tribal talon]

We'd do fine without it

[median stirrup]

especially that he's the only HN2 character we don't know the name of

[young kayak]

all i saw were complaints about what the final game will look like and criticize the devs work, at no time did i see anything related to the lore, if you're talking about the game and not the story itself, go to #hello-neighbor, you're talking about the leaks? go to #old-spoilers

[tribal talon]

I don't have much hope for the future of this franchise's lore tbh

Cuz AS and its writers

[candid harness]

I guess that little debacle drove everyone away, damn

Oh well

[median stirrup]

Actually what would Nicky do as a job after he comes back

We never really found out what he was doing as an adult

[lyric zephyr]

Well, whatever he was doing it wasn’t enough to keep up rent

Eviction notice and all

[median stirrup]

Well yeah but it depends

Did he just not get a good job
Was he fired
Did he quit
Maybe he never even got a job and relied on his parents to help him (which I doubt but you know it is possible)

[lyric zephyr]

I assume Jay and Luanne have passed away, at least going off of just the vibe of Act 3

He inherited the house in Raven Brooks (it never sold bc bad history and also Raven Brooks being a really small lesser known town)

[fiery otter]

at least they finally found a house they could actually stay in

[ripe berry]

yeah

[median stirrup]

Well yeah but before it could've been a possibility

[silver vine]

he said "nothing in HN ever was a dream"

he didnt say that act 3 was both a dream and self therapy

he just said act 3 is self therapy

[silver vine]

to us, to the lore of HN, yes, it technically is useless, but we must not forget that act 3 was THE MOSt important part of Nicky's life

[versed yacht]

I feel like the events that made act 3 happen in the first place were probably more important

(act 1, act 2, etc)

[median stirrup]

It's meant to be important but comes off as "well idk I just kinda got over it"

[lyric zephyr]

"Yea I just took a nap and all my trauma melted away"

[median stirrup]

Yeah

And then in HND he has weird memory recovery

Even though he should've remembered things to begin with since he does remember what happened in act 1

[candid harness]

It never fully hit me how HND is more of a literal Hello Neighbor 2 than HN2 is

[median stirrup]

True

It's kinda much a direct sequel to HN1 but since it's all distorted memories and what not we don't really get a lot out of it

But we got uh
Beardless HN2 neighbor!

[lyric zephyr]

And without dirt on the sides of his sweater!

Which idk how he only got dirt on the sides, right on the seams

[median stirrup]

That's actually cool

No dirt sweater I mean not the fact the dirt is only on the sides somehow

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah ik lol

[silver vine]

well, reminder that he was suffering from PTSD ever since he was 3 years old

so

even if acts 1 and 2 didnt take place, he'd still be suffering from PTSD

the events of acts 1 and 2 just made his PTSD 1000x worse

[hearty spire]

the kills lore

[silent steppe]

This may be related to going back to the place where it all went down

But idk

[toxic mist]

Lood gack

[buoyant arrow]

||in one of the graphic novels doesn’t Mr. Peterson just get indirectly called The Raven Man? I can’t quite remember just checking here if anyone does||

[toxic mist]

yep he does

[toxic mist]

its funny cuz crows symbolize bad luck in most cultures

[solid dew]

when what

they call the guest the raven man

not peterson

[versed yacht]

Regina calls him the raven man at one point I think

When she's hung up by the rope

[solid dew]

right
well that wasn't true anyway

until he did get drowned and possessed but who could have seen that coming

[toxic mist]

When did THAT happen again?

Oh in the graphic novel

I rember

I mean she’s not wrong

That’s probably what Crawford was implying

[buoyant arrow]

haha yes that is my name

[toxic mist]

Crows are also depicted as cunning theifs in folklore too specifically in Slavic or Ukrainian mythology

Sorry for the ping I answered my own question lmao

[buoyant arrow]

They can also represent death

||Which is why a crow probably follows maya around in hide and seek||

[toxic mist]

yep

This is just speculation but I think the ending of hn has a bigger meaning than we realize

Specifically regarding Nicky and teds fear depiction (the thing)

not only does the name the thing even allude to the film where ppl get possessed/assimilated but Nicky basically gets over it or defeats it

and if the guest is somehow connected to fear….

well you can do the math

[buoyant arrow]

If the guest is connected to fear

Does this mean that since Nicky has overcame his fear

The guest kinda just says “well I’ve done all i can do”

and peaces out

[toxic mist]

pretty much tbh, I believe he defeats his fear and gets over it enough to not be consumed by it

after the neighb boss however the sub level afterwords shows he has his own fear that he hasn’t overcome yet, just locked away

and you know what’s funny

in act 1 the office and supposedly room leading to the tunnels are blocked off symbolizing Nicky locked those fears deep down

or those memories

oh and then theres the windmill which is…. interesting

obviously the whole ending of hn is saying “Nicky isn’t afraid anymore or doesn’t have PTSD” because he confronted his past head on

this is a bit of a stretch but while he was in the basement Aaron must’ve told him about the fear entity showing up repetitively in peoples dreams including his and told him if he sees it go to sleep idk that seems strange

[buoyant arrow]

Also at the end of act 1

[toxic mist]

either that or he has narcolepsy

[buoyant arrow]

During the chase

There are these 3 locks that board up the basement door

To Aaron’s room

right?

[toxic mist]

yep

[buoyant arrow]

well

[toxic mist]

and guess what those keys are what you get in act 3

[buoyant arrow]

Notice how the keys in act 3 to the fear rooms are the same colours as the ones on the basement door

[toxic mist]

well yellow is really a shortcut key but that doesn’t matter

[buoyant arrow]

And now that you completed all the fear rooms and faced your fears of shopping, being bullied at school, and dark places. The locks aren’t there anymore.

which I think is a cool detail

[toxic mist]

and I think this is where the guest comes into play

crows are connected to being a bad omen or even supernatural in Slavic folklore I think (I looked it up briefly) and if nikita is basing it on that, that could very well be his inspiration for raven brooks being cursed

it’s no secret anymore that the guest is a supernatural being too

Gordon cleave really cursed the whole town with narcolepsy

oh and in the books the fps does try and orchestrate myas death on the coaster but it ends up being Lucy instead

[buoyant arrow]

Imagine if mr Peterson faces his fears, imagine if he overcomes the guest, and the ravens that surround his house go away symbolising that “the raven man” is no longer someone to fear

I love doing theories

[toxic mist]

yeah that would be pretty cool

but he was cursed

[buoyant arrow]

Yeah

[toxic mist]

with anti-luck

[buoyant arrow]

life just doesn’t like Mr. Peterson

[toxic mist]

maybe it’s the crows

[buoyant arrow]

Tbh the founder of the town did kinda curse them all

[toxic mist]

wasn’t that mayor tavish or the great great grandpa

[buoyant arrow]

Oh yeah I got it mixed up, sorry

[buoyant arrow]

But I have a theory about the guest, it’s pretty bizarre so be ready

[toxic mist]

also bad omen does technically mean bad luck too so they kinda go hand in hand for ted

go for it

this story is kinda bizarre too

“Peterson boy, do you ever wonder if you family is cursed” - rgodonn eavcl 3055

[buoyant arrow]

The guest got its name because when it possesses someone it is inside their body, as like someone being invited in to a house, and you call those people who you invite in a guest.

And that’s my theory

[toxic mist]

bingo

that’s exactly wha it was thinking and I think your right

he intrudes the soul

an uninvited guest

even the files call him visitor

he visits you when you sleep and knows when your awake

[buoyant arrow]

Like Santa Claus 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 /j

[toxic mist]

so maybe the thing isn’t directly the guest…. but they have more similarities than meets the eye

there are some spoilers for hn2 in the spoiler chat that have somewhat evidence of the guest possessing but I won’t say it here just in case

[buoyant arrow]

Oh no I’ve seen it

[toxic mist]

still kinda begs the question why would Nicky go to sleep after moving into the house in act 3

[buoyant arrow]

I think he thought “nah I’m just imagining things, that black shadow creature isn’t real I’ll just get some sleep and I’ll feel better in the morning.”

[toxic mist]

yeah maybe it was the evening but that sorta alludes to him actually seeing it

there is a reason why the shadow boss battle is you protecting your past self from fear

Nicky has the intellectual capability to dive straight to the source of his trauma and kill it

oh and by the way I searched up what do windmills mean in dreams and a lot of them were semi different like those stuff usually are but most said it symbolizes intellect, power, and clairvoyance. A broken windmill means unexpected results (seems strange but idk)

[buoyant arrow]

Yeah but he couldn’t bring himself to do it because he was too scared (bating his trauma I mean)

Also apparently Nicky also had trauma before his encounters with Mr. Peterson so yeah

[toxic mist]

yeesh

clairvoyance is the ability to perceive events before they happen more or less it’s a real thing apperently

idk how that fits in

[buoyant arrow]

This lore is making my Brain burst tbh

[toxic mist]

I also kinda think the myth of the forest protectors in general are what manifests the guest being a crow humanoid thing

or at least feeds into it

and of course in HE ted messes with time travel (super unrealistic) to try and reverse his deeds and it if course breaks everything for everyone

sorta explains the reset day time loop

but like how tf is time travel even possible got damn

[buoyant arrow]

What if the forest protectors started as a local tale, and then people began to fear it therefore the fear manifested and took the shape of the forest protectors?

[toxic mist]

yep I think so too

Forest protectors are real it’s the gang in costumes that look like plague doctors

but yes it is also probably the myth

in layman’s terms raven brooks is really messed up just because one stone got crushed and ted is screwing with time somehow (based on one formula shown in HE as one decal)

i find it hard to believe that HE will get good reviews in steam since it’s so rage inducing

hopefully it moves on Oct 26 unless they are planning a mega drop in December and then go on vacation for another 12 years

the words “lood gack” have a much more powerful meaning now

[buoyant arrow]

I never thought the words Lood Gack could have such an impact

[silver vine]

he isnt afraid of shopping lol

[loud tartan]

it's so spooky for do shopping 😢

[silver vine]

when he was 3 y/o, his grandma intentionally left him at the supermarket

[buoyant arrow]

OH

That’s depressing

[silver vine]

he was so traumatized by that he developed PTSD

he relieves that day every night

[buoyant arrow]

I remember hearing about that in one of the audiobooks I listened to I think

Hello neighbor related obviously

I haven’t read the books in ages sorry if I can’t remember it all

[silver vine]

his kidnapping by Peterson just made his PTSD 1000x worse

[loud tartan]

the creepy ai driven made his ptsd 1000x worse

[silver vine]

yes

[tribal talon]

Then in Act 3 he

Faces his trauma or whatever it's called

[buoyant arrow]

Also I didn’t mean to phrase it like that lol I haven’t slept in a day so yk hehehea

[tribal talon]

Act finale too

[tribal talon]

Bad ai you should say

[loud tartan]

ah hell na

[tribal talon]

Hn1 ai is brainded

[loud tartan]

very lore

anyways

the

funny driven sosed

kidnap childrens

[tribal talon]

Journalist Simulator when

[buoyant arrow]

The creepy ai driven mr Peter also locked up his son in his funny basement washing machine labyrinth 🤯

[loud tartan]

more like walking simulator

[buoyant arrow]

The sequel to box stacking simulator

[loud tartan]

no more fast travel when you need to go to a building that's far away

https://tenor.com/view/chair-pissed-off-video-gamer-angry-falling-gif-5471117

[tribal talon]

The map is already very small so you don't rlly need fast travel

[loud tartan]

but

before

you needed it

since it was much bigger then the final map

[tribal talon]

Ok

Anyway lore

[loud tartan]

Hello guest lore :

[silver vine]

Dec 1

or Dec 6, whenever you've preordered

[tribal talon]

Quentin doesn't act like a journalist in hn2

[median stirrup]

then- how does a journalist act in your opinion-

[silver vine]

I mean

journalists dont break into houses

[median stirrup]

sometimes they do

[silver vine]

wh

when?

where?

[median stirrup]

whenever it happens

wherever it happens

but it has happened

[silver vine]

never

[loud tartan]

irl journalist breaks into a random house with a crowbar and cameras

seems fair

well uhh

[median stirrup]

just because Quentin is a criminal doesn't mean he can't also be a journalist!

[silver vine]

Quentin is a criminal?

since when?

[median stirrup]

since he started breaking and entering, stealing, invading privacy, stalking, and entering crime scenes without permission

[silver vine]

why doesnt the WCLP arrest him then?

[median stirrup]

I dunno they're stupid I guess

[silver vine]

fair

[median stirrup]

but he breaks into a house which is also a crime scene right in front of the police officer and he just throws him out

[silver vine]

they cant even find Ted whos just a street away from his house

[median stirrup]

yeah...

[tribal talon]

Best cops ever

[ripe berry]

Clearly the RBPD (or WCLP) are smart cops who have had more then a day on the job

[manic dirge]

yes totally

[jaunty hemlock]

Why when we are moving to our house that blue one and when we wake up neighbor lives there?

I don’t understand

[median stirrup]

are you talking about the alpha?

[jaunty hemlock]

Yes

[median stirrup]

well it's an old storyline and it's not exactly clear but it's most likely a dream

[jaunty hemlock]

Ok

[ripe berry]

So what's the timeline of Books/Games/AS now?

[silver vine]

well, everything takes place simultaneosly