lore-discussion

[tribal talon]

They changed Nicky’s house not the neighbors

[woven widget]

nickis house there is no nicky in hn2

[tribal talon]

Why

[shell gull]

Ohhhh I thought They Meant Mr. Petersons House

[jaunty mortar]

What

[tribal talon]

Well this is the lore discussion chat

[tribal talon]

I’m speaking the truth

[blazing rapids]

theres lore in this game wtf

[oblique drum]

(there always was)

[blazing rapids]

true

game isnt even like a horror game anymore

[oblique drum]

hn2 is gonna be a bit more violent tho but yeah not rlly horror

[blazing rapids]

when you get caught by the neighbour it isnt even scary all he does is grab you

it doesnt turn around the camera that fast so you know its coming

[daring yacht]

they made it faster

[blazing rapids]

oh

[daring yacht]

now it doesn't take a full second

[blazing rapids]

W

[manic dirge]

alr if you think that this thread is for you #1018205065560985712

[loud tartan]

very lore

[tribal talon]

Well this is the lore discussion chat

[flat siren]

explain the lore behind the invisible boxes @tribal talon

[loud tartan]

Explain the placeholder sosed bed too

[drowsy void]

Guys, it's just a theory, but do you think the one in the neighbor's basement is aaron?

[jaunty mortar]

Wdym the one ?

[drowsy void]

nothing, just aaron is the kid in theodor’s basement?

[jaunty mortar]

Aaron might be at the museum

Like in the attic

[ripe berry]

But before that Aaron was in the Basement

[jaunty mortar]

Yea

[ripe berry]

This is a undisputable fact

[drowsy void]

ooh

[ripe berry]

Book 3, Buried Secrets, confirms it

[jaunty mortar]

Confirms he was in the basement?

[ripe berry]

After the cops show up in the HN2 intro Aaron is now most likely in the Museum

[jaunty mortar]

Yea

Because the police would of found him

[ripe berry]

Yeah, I remember Nicky finding Aaron before the ending of that book

[drowsy void]

because theodor was afraid of losing his only family, right?

[ripe berry]

Yeah

Sure, Mr.Peterson thought Aaron was a curse

But still Aaron's family

and after loosing his Wife and Daughter

Mr.Peterson didn't want to loose another family member

[drowsy void]

aaron is dead?

[ripe berry]

Unconfirmed

It's implied Aaron was the one who burned down Mr.Peterson's house

Meaning Aaron could've potentially died in that fire

[drowsy void]

hmm

you can tell me more about hello neighbor lore in my private?

[wicked heath]

sure.

[silver vine]

you havent played the demo have you

the neighbor catches you in sonic speed

[viscid portal]

Wait what!Aaron dont die!

[drowsy void]

so he is a adult?

[tribal talon]

We really don't know what happens to him after HN2

I think Quentin prob helped Aaron escape the attic

I also think Aaron left Raven Brooks

[wicked heath]

you see, Nicky is still a kid. So we assume Aaron is also a kid

[drowsy void]

but in HN1 Nicky was an adult

[wicked heath]

yes

but that is 20 years later

[wicked heath]

and at this point, not only are the children not missing anymore, but the Peterson house is completely gone

[drowsy void]

aah

[wicked heath]

wait hold up. @drowsy void why do i have you in my friend list

[drowsy void]

idk, you just asked me to add

[solid dew]

||🌝 ||

[hallow bronze]

Lore talking lore talking lore talking lore talking

Even more lore talking

Lore talking

Lots of lore talking

[tribal talon]

He didn't leave RB?

[hearty spire]

all the lore

hint the neighbor kills

[tribal talon]

could ike geroshwitz be quentin

No

Ike's dead

[tribal talon]

@tribal talon yes but timeloops are a thing

and maybe they changed something

@silver vine yo can you help me?

@tribal talon i mean they look almost identical

and his full name is ike quentin cornelius geroshwitz

[tribal talon]

They really don't

ok then look at the card you see in hello guest

Old design

the hello guest quentin just has different clothes

@tribal talon or maybe they changed the lore again like they did in hello neighbor 1

[tribal talon]

I don't think time loops revive dead people

because nicky was orignaly supposed to be the neighbor son

@tribal talon and the prototype quentin looks more like ike so it makes sense that they changed the lore

[solid dew]

quentin was never planned to be ike but ike was meant to be quentin before they changed quentin's character

ike is meant to be the old hg quentin
norman is meant to be the new hn2 quentin

however they aren't really the same in the game universe because the games hate book lore !

[tribal talon]

ok then my theory that the prototype quentin is ike was right

No

the prototype one

[solid dew]

no it wasn;t

prototype quentin is just hg quentin

book writers tried to tie hg quentin to ike
it was never like that in the games though

in the games he's always just been quentin

[tribal talon]

kinda werid

[ripe berry]

Kinda like how the Guest isn't a Forest Protector

[tribal talon]

mr petoerson is an enmy of the forest protectors

[ripe berry]

Yes

[solid dew]

not really the same thing
i'm pretty sure forest protectors were never meant to be related to the guest

[ripe berry]

Feels like they were meant to be connected

[solid dew]

if they were meant to be then the book writers must have really been left in the dark in terms of the story

because the guest is the same in hg as he is in hn2

and gn2 and reset day

[ripe berry]

Maybe they saw some early concept art of the Guest and, not knowing he was meant to be Mr.Peterson at the time, invented the Forest Protectors

[solid dew]

that's just weird
why would the book writers have almost no communication with the devs about what these things were

[ripe berry]

When was the listing for Bad Blood first seen again?, I forgot but I also need to know so I can make a explanation here

[tribal talon]

Yesterday

[ripe berry]

Like if the listing was from before HGP then maybe the concept of the Guest was not fully finished so the book writers tried their best to take what was finished and fill in the gaps

[solid dew]

hgp was at the start of 2019

bad blood was at least released at the start of 2020

which means it was just after the den

[ripe berry]

If I remember right it was released near the end of 2019

[tribal talon]

Omg den..

[solid dew]

it was released on december 26th 2019 or something like that

1 month after den..

[ripe berry]

Sounds right to me

It'd take a few months for them to write the book, so Book 4 was started before the Den was invented, but after HGP

[tribal talon]

Why do you have 24 in your name?

[ripe berry]

I'd say it started being written in like, September

[solid dew]

that's some very quick book writing

i feel like it'd take a bit longer but i don't know anything about making books

[tribal talon]

does anybody know when the next book will releas

e

[solid dew]

no

[tribal talon]

No one knows

[ripe berry]

Maybe August to give them some more time to write it

[tribal talon]

July..

[ripe berry]

That's redacted information that I will not say again

[tribal talon]

Why

[ripe berry]

I dunno, just don't wanna say it again

[tribal talon]

Why

[ripe berry]

Anyways

[solid dew]

he's 24 years old

[ripe berry]

Maybe...

Anyways lore

Do you think the odd trapdoor in HG is connected to the tunnels the Forest Protectors use

Or are those meant to be seperate

[solid dew]

i don't think so

[tribal talon]

Oldest Hello Neighbor Fan

[ripe berry]

I mean we don't know much about what the Trapdoors in HG were meant to be so it could go either way

All we have for the HG trapdoors is one found in HGA1 and one in a piece of concept art

Also heard about one in HN2A1 but I can't find it

[tribal talon]

There's so many things from 2020 HN2 we'll never find the answer to😔

[ripe berry]

Yeah

Like HG Chapter 3

[tribal talon]

@tribal talon yes kinda sad it was so mysterios and cool and had this cool artstyle and atmosphere but then they changed the concept

Ye

@tribal talon it dint look that clean like it does now

and i liked the old cursor more

[tribal talon]

They changed the artstyle and now every new artstyle fan makes fun of the people that prefer any old artsyle thing over new artstyle things

yes

but i donnt understand why they changed the artstyle

[tribal talon]

Me too the new cursor looks like smth from a mobile game

the artstyle was at its peek in alpha hello guest and hello neighbor alpha 2

[tribal talon]

It's simply because a more clean artstyle fits Raven Brooks more than a dirty artstyle

(Dirty as in it had a lot of dirt btw)

maybe the artstyle will change at the end of the game

Nah

because alpha 1 will still be a part of the game its confirmed and it looks like in the traier

[tribal talon]

It won't
I will no longer elaborate.

and i think the game will get darker from chapter to chapzer

but the new artstyle is nice too

Ye

But I like the vibe the old artstyle had

2020 HN2 was pretty mysterious

And I liked that

me too

[oblique drum]

yes totally

[tribal talon]

Too bad they changed the artstyle and the story got rewritten by new writers

ok do you think beatrix will be playable in hn 2 because shes still in the gamefiles

[tribal talon]

You /srs or /j?

[ripe berry]

||Leaks: No||

||(For context they did a oopsie and left pretty much the entire game in the Demo's files, Beatrix was not in there)||

[oblique drum]

j

[tribal talon]

||The ending tho||

[tribal talon]

Explain.

@oblique drum

[tribal talon]

They hyped up so many characters and did nothing with them

[silver vine]

even if they changed some things, Ike is Neighbor's best friend, and he knows all his secrets, he is a security guard, not a journalist, there is no reason for him to break into his house

[ripe berry]

Let's not forgor that the Ike is dead

[tribal talon]

i have a question about the guest is he a supernatural creature that possesed the neighbor or is he just a custom

i know the books are canon but idk if the graphic novels are

[wild ore]

they are

[tribal talon]

ok that means he is a supernatural being

?

@wild ore or just a custom

[wild ore]

both from the looks of it

[ripe berry]

||the guest is a metaphor for loss or something just like how the thing from hn1 is a representation of fear however unlike the thing in hn1 the guest in hn2 is a real entity||

• Randomuser, 2022

[wild ore]

it seems to feed on loss

[tribal talon]

that kinda destroys the realism of the games like the weather maschine and the timeloopes

[ripe berry]

Guest when the:

[ripe berry]

and the books have

Forest Protectors

[tribal talon]

ik

[ripe berry]

Future Predicting Journalists

[tribal talon]

ive read ever book

[ripe berry]

Luck Devices

and Mr.Peterson's eyes changing color after a funhouse collapses on him

(event in GN1)

[wild ore]

they could pull a twist and the town has been in a time loop the entire time and it has just been getting worse each loop

[tribal talon]

coulndt the beginning of the beta when the guest catches quentin and glows be a timeloop

[strange lance]

Guys I have new lore, after exploring the clubhouse in Hello Engineer very much, I can confidently say...Lucy yi DIED in the park

😱

[lyric zephyr]

The graphic artist during a Reddit QNA confirmed the red eyes were a stylistic choice

And not lore relevant

[wild ore]

it would explain the cycle not being broken or more will go missing if the loop does not stop

[tribal talon]

@strange lance we knew that before

[ripe berry]

Ok

[ripe berry]

Missing Journalist:

(He had no known lore importance other then being missing)

[wild ore]

Normen derby does exist

maybe after Nicky failed he tried stopping it himself

[tribal talon]

@wild ore and is bassicly a quentin copy

[lyric zephyr]

That QNA was still rlly cool

Had a lot of good questions answered

[wild ore]

could link it please

[lyric zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/j9usyr/we_are_zac_gorman_chris_fenoglio_alex/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[strange lance]

That was a joke, cause they keep on trying to shove the fact she died everywhere

And they did that in HE

[lyric zephyr]

They focus so much on Lucy Yi’s death but ignore the 5 other cases of Ted’s rides killing kids

[daring yacht]

for people that don't read books..

[lyric zephyr]

Like cmon

We all know Lucy Yi but there were also
The 4 people who drowned in a water log ride he designed in the Germany park, and Joe from Bosco Bay being launched from his seat while testing a ride bc Ted made the turn too sharp

[urban fulcrum]

hmm what happens if i put the neighbor in the backrooms

[lyric zephyr]

He’ll just, be in the backrooms ig

Not much he can do

[urban fulcrum]

then all of this would not happen

right?

[silver vine]

||also HN2||

[silver vine]

my old theory...

[wicked heath]

great now im not clicking any spoiler tags from there

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-im-so-gif-25607473

[urban fulcrum]

theory what happens if arron dies in HN2

[silver vine]

nibor sad

[wicked heath]

neighbor sad and flood town

with funny machine

[urban fulcrum]

how would he flood the town

[silver vine]

read graphic novel 2

[wicked heath]

with this

[urban fulcrum]

bruhhhh

[wicked heath]

funny thing that cause storms

[urban fulcrum]

this takes place before HN2

not after

[silver vine]

it takesplace after

[urban fulcrum]

tell me the timeline then since your the Lore Master

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/no-time-mad-angry-pissed-off-running-out-of-time-gif-17558999

I gotta sleep

[strange lance]

In HN2 guest and Ted are seen as separate entites, in Gn2 guest posseses Ted at the end so now they are one

There you go

[wicked heath]

Mr Peterson doesnt care about his son possibly dead

[silver vine]

its exactly 00:00 for me

[wicked heath]

unlike in hn2 where he keeps an attic locked with possibly his son

(pls dont kill me those from #old-spoilers)

[urban fulcrum]

this is before is son died

[wicked heath]

then how come is he alone and flooding down a whole town without even mentionning his son

[silver vine]

that isnt really a spoiler tbh

where else would Aaron be

[wicked heath]

no i just hoped if im wrong about this you wont tell me

[silver vine]

you are right tho

[wicked heath]

oh

great

[silver vine]

yet again

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-black-bolt-im-sorry-illuminati-doctor-strange-gif-26021454

[strange lance]

look at all the rich lore

[urban fulcrum]

its just a theory

ok

[silver vine]

lore rich

[urban fulcrum]

he

[wicked heath]

well its very likely to be true

[silver vine]

wdym?

[wicked heath]

i mean, isnt this guys only purpose is to protect his family?

[silver vine]

yes

[wicked heath]

if he still has a son alive, he wouldnt need to do anything else

[urban fulcrum]

he got crushed by the museum calipering

Arron

[wicked heath]

lmao

[wicked heath]

what does this even mean

[strange lance]

I wonder if HE's lore will actually lead to anything, like the sentient mannequins, Ted trying to bring back his family/other people. The time travel pits in the park in HE was explained in Reset Days o that's good

[wicked heath]

i mean with those mannequins and his drones, he could build a whole army

[tribal talon]

It leads to Hello Neighbor 9999

[urban fulcrum]

it means the museum go boom

[wicked heath]

where do you even get that

[urban fulcrum]

myself

[silver vine]

no

[wicked heath]

baseless theory then

[urban fulcrum]

ok

ok

[wicked heath]

no need to argue with smth like that

[tribal talon]

I still hate the Neighbor

[silver vine]

it means the guy is insane

[silver vine]

where was time travel pits even mentioned in reset day?

[urban fulcrum]

want arron to die yeah i want that to happen

[silver vine]

but he sadly abandoned them and left to the museum

[wicked heath]

whyyy

[silver vine]

(hes insane)

(saddist)

[wicked heath]

true true

[urban fulcrum]

cuz then why would he be Ted be evil

[tribal talon]

What

[wicked heath]

what?

[urban fulcrum]

trying to flood the town

[tribal talon]

Ted is evil cuz he's a jerk

[wicked heath]

what does it have to do with aaron

[urban fulcrum]

make mayak happen

[urban fulcrum]

cuz why would he flood the town unless he wants ravage

[wicked heath]

its literally Ted, not aaron

[urban fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-picard-star-trek-the-next-generation-disappointed-gif-23456183

[tribal talon]

The Neighbor is a weird Neighbor nowadays

[wicked heath]

wait so you are telling me this guy is aaron? Man youve gone insane

[urban fulcrum]

he wants ravage on the town cuz the guest is in the town and killed arron

can you get it

[silver vine]

he wants to get revenge on the town, cuz the town literally made him lose everything he had

[ripe berry]

Oh god half the messages are gone

[tribal talon]

can somebody ban me

t actually send something and stop typing just to stop immedaly after

[ripe berry]

No

[tribal talon]

im bored

[wicked heath]

i am no longer gone since the i gtg message is gone too

so lore

[ripe berry]

Revive

[wicked heath]

literally did not have to click the thing to see

you arent gonna troll a lot of ppl with that

[ripe berry]

anyways what was Arrquentin going to say

[wicked heath]

srsly tho, me gone

[tribal talon]

is the neighbor stilll alive in hn 1

[silver vine]

yes

[young kayak]

you sure ?

[tribal talon]

uhm

[ripe berry]

Depends on how you see the events of GN2 and the timeline

[strange lance]

Reset day: Construction guy falls into a big pit that just appears at the beginning while doing construction at the park and disappears

HE: Pits on the road appearing out of nowhere with time travel stuff written around them with chalk with the level being titled "the pit experiment"

Ted's doing time travel stuff in the ground

[silver vine]

can you send a pic of one of those pits?

[strange lance]

sure

[ripe berry]

If Ted drowns before the Guest possesses him and GN2 is pre-2017 then yes

If either Ted isn't dead when he gets possessed or GN2 is after 2017 then no

[silver vine]

I highly doubt the neighbor actually drowned and died in GN2

he was prob knocked unconcious

[strange lance]

me when I'm being chocked underwater as I'm trying to breathe but only lots of water comes in my lungs (I just go sleepy)

[ripe berry]

true

[strange lance]

time travel pits

[ripe berry]

Ted dies because the water doesn't leave his lungs (Guest doesn't need to breathe) and no one is able to get it out (Peterson goes missing during the fire)

[silver vine]

they cant just kill off the titular character in a not a well known book

[silver vine]

nice

[strange lance]

this is also written right beside it, which is basically the formula for time travel

[tribal talon]

The fire?

[ripe berry]

They can... IF they get possessed allowing them to still technically use the character in later entries

[ripe berry]

I thought the Weather Station caught on fire in the GN2 Ending

[silver vine]

hes just trapped somewhere deep within him

I doubt hes completely gone

[tribal talon]

will we even see a guest transformation in hn2

,

[strange lance]

he's also using the mannequins for the experiments, that's why there's a unbelievable amount of them everywhere

[tribal talon]

maybe hes trying to bring back his family

[strange lance]

he is

you can see that in his secret office

[ripe berry]

Alpha Lore sneaking it's way into the final lore:

[young kayak]

Ted becoming the inventor of time travel
but it would be shocking

[ripe berry]

I mean...

Aren't time loops technically time travel

and if you have the ring things...

[tribal talon]

alpha 3 lore the lore from the prototype until alpha 1 was the lore where the play was in a coma and the neighbor was satanistic

[ripe berry]

I think I understand why Ted was testing time travel

If he could go to the Past...

He could prevent Diane and Mya's deaths

But he gave up on that idea

[strange lance]

I don't remember where but there was a chalk drawing by Ted of 1 tall figure and 2 smaller ones with the time travel formulas around it

so yeah he wants to go back and save them

[ripe berry]

Hence why in GN2 he says "... I used to want to change the past, but you can't, can you?..."

(The ...'s are because there's more to the quote that I cut out)

[tribal talon]

nein

[ripe berry]

So that explains why Ted is testing Time Travel

and Timeloops

[strange lance]

he was getting close

[ripe berry]

He was THIS close

[strange lance]

but I think if he did succeed the situation would probably get worse

[ripe berry]

but he gave up right at the end

[strange lance]

the entirety of RB could be consumed by the pits

[ripe berry]

The Timeline would corrupt

[strange lance]

I mean they're still there in Reset day so

but only in the park

[ripe berry]

Wait... prehaps why Ted gave up is that he did try... and that is why in HNHS Diane dies in April and Mya dies in May but in the books they both die in August

He tried to change the past... to save his family... but you can't can you?... they were doomed to die no matter what he did... all he could do now is build a new future...

This would also explain the 1996-1997 debate for Act 1

[tribal talon]

I don't think it's that cool

That's a cool theory but it prob isn't true

[ripe berry]

and the reason for Act 3 being 19 years after Act 1 with the 1997 date is that Act 3 is in January/February 2017

[strange lance]

when did the Aaron trilogy take place, like what year/years

this is important I must know

[ripe berry]

(The Kilm Cartons both imply March)

[ripe berry]

1991-1992 if I remember correctly

[strange lance]

and Lucy died in those books right

[ripe berry]

Book 6

that is the book she dies in

[tribal talon]

does anybody now in which country raven brooks is

[ripe berry]

You never know until the Devs deny/confirm it

[strange lance]

Lucy has Tamagotchi, these were released in..1996 of November..

[ripe berry]

USA

[strange lance]

how does she have one 🤨

[ripe berry]

Missouri

[ripe berry]

Anything specifically proving it belongs to Lucy Yi other then happening to be there?

For all we know it could belong to Maritza or smth

Also you can't judge Tech in HN by when it was made

I mean

[strange lance]

That is her memorial, it has her bracelet and everything.

[ripe berry]

Technology is weird in HN

[strange lance]

true, Maritza has a Nintendo switch in the main menu

[ripe berry]

So what's preventing Raven Brooks from coming up with the idea that'd become a Tamagotchi Pre-Summer 1992

And the rest of the world wouldn't know because Raven brooks is seperated from the rest of the USA

With their own knock off apps

Phones (I-Fruit anyone?)

[strange lance]

Doesn't that only happen in Rest day though

that's when they're completely shut off

[ripe berry]

Movies

even the fricking 8-Ball

maybe even a fricking knock-off Nintendo Switch in 1996-1997

So yeah

[fiery otter]

I have my theory that the city in the background of the HN1 and HN2 map is Kansas City

[ripe berry]

No one who hasn't lived in RB before moving there in the franchise don't even know the town exists

Despite being the birth place of a famous theme park designer

[fiery otter]

because kansas city is on the river, and Raven Brooks has small rivers and a lake flowing through it

[ripe berry]

(Or maybe not birthplace but home town)

and big corporations are giving their attention/have given their attention there

(Earthpro for instance)

[strange lance]

I wish they had kept the whole hidden dirt road entrance in Hn2 that was in the E3 trailer, made it look like it's not supposed to be seen and it's just some forest, Quentin even looks confused when he looks at it and back at the map. Now it's just some normal road

[fiery otter]

the other big city in missouri is st. louis but that has a big arch building that the background city in HN doesn't have

[ripe berry]

Also this idea could also explain why in Book 1 Lucy Yi dies 2 weeks after the GAAP opens, but in Book 4 it's the same day, or the "The Red Key Will Set You Free. Trust Narf." thing

[ripe berry]

yeah

That is painful that they did that

[ripe berry]

Heck, this could even explain AS Ep. 2 away

and would explain the "Mayak will explain everything" without Mayak being in HN2

(||because it's not in the leaks||)

I think I could've fricking solved away what they meant oh so long ago by the whole "It's that way because of Mayak" thing

But maybe I'm just being stupid

I'll let you guys decide on that

[strange lance]

The Forest Protector cult people chose the coolest place to do rituals

[ripe berry]

They really did

[ripe berry]

Or we because technically Mouse helped me get on the line of thinking that led me to my thoughts that I think could've solved it

[strange lance]

Lets talk about the lore of Ted being a freaking cheapskate, seats and attractions made out of freaking cardboard

surprisingly they have proper collision

[ripe berry]

Somehow

[strange lance]

I wish they used this Ferris wheel in HN2

it's loads better

[ripe berry]

yeah

But maybe not make it carboard in HN2

[strange lance]

yeah

I mean it's not like you're supposed to even go to it

[ripe berry]

maybe use Copper and actual Wool Seats like in the HN2 model

(I'm pretty sure it's copper in HN2)

[strange lance]

Ted is so cheap in HE, half of his rides are rotting wood and cardboard, and some games use toilet rolls as props

[ripe berry]

Wack-A-Mole model Flashbacks

Who makes moles out of toliet paper

like why

(I meant toliet paper rolls)

[daring yacht]

he put so much effort into the park don't hate on him😡

[ripe berry]

(not)

[daring yacht]

g

[unkempt iris]

in the hello neighbor animated series full pilot, we learn the names of the detective (Zoe), the brave (Maritza) and the leader (Trinity), but does anyone else have canon names?

[ripe berry]

Detective is named Enzo

not Zoe

[unkempt iris]

rly?

hang on

[ripe berry]

Yes

They are characters in the books

[unkempt iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wApHdcrqBZg 4:52

go to 4:52

[ripe berry]

(Where we also learn the HN1 Player Character is named Nicky, the Neighbor is named Theodore Peterson his wife is named Diane, Neighbor's son is named Aaron, and Neighbor's daughter is named Mya)

The Cops in HN2 are named D. Leslie (tall one) and Keith F. Newsoms Nielsen (the other one)

The Baker is named Gerda

The Guy with the Gun is named Mr. Otto

The HN2 Player Character is named Quentin

The Hello Guest Girl Player Character is named Beatrix

[unkempt iris]

idek those people

i meant the other kids

[ripe berry]

Oh

Inventor could maybe be named Jimmy

(if imdB is to be believed)

and the other characters (Scout and Bagger) currently have no official name

[ripe berry]

Tho in Aaron books there are 2 characters that could potentially be Bagger named Seth and Ruben

[silent steppe]

Hold up I thought those guys were too stupid to care

[ripe berry]

I mean either of them could POTENTIALLY be Bagger

but there's no confirmation on that

so Bagger could be someone else entirely

[silent steppe]

Okay

[unkempt iris]

i have evidence that the detective is named zoe

[ripe berry]

No

It's ENzo

[strange flame]

Well, whatever that evidence is, it’s wrong

[ripe berry]

All the books call him Enzo

The GUIDEBOOK calls him Enzo

[ripe berry]

Also AS Pilot:

The other names are Brave and Leader

(Maritza and Trinity)

So who is "En..." if not Detective (Enzo)

[fiery otter]

what is the 'other location' that ted is looking for in his big crazy person bulletin board?

[ripe berry]

You're evidence is flawed by the thing you got it from

[fiery otter]

is he looking for a location to camp out in just in case the police come?

[ripe berry]

No clue

[silent steppe]

Bosco Bay? Maybe Ferweh Welt? Idk

[ripe berry]

The Map is of Raven Brooks

Bosco Bay and Ferhen Welt are outside of Raven Brooks

Prehaps it could be where the Museum is

*was

Or smth

[fiery otter]

I'm guessing Ted is looking for a location that he can hide in in case the police come

[ripe berry]

Maybe it's where the Den was

We gotta remember AS Pilot is from the HG days

So it could be the Den

[silent steppe]

Maybe

Hmm

[ripe berry]

Or Rumble on the Mill

or whatever else they were planning back then

#secret-neighbor

[silent steppe]

Yknow that map of raven brooks? The one as a footnote on the game guide? Why is the map so different in HN2, has the town really changed that much?

[ripe berry]

yes

[silent steppe]

(Sorry if there’s an obvious answer to this question, I missed Hg)

[ripe berry]

But they DID keep a Barn and the Raven Brooks Banner near Friendly Court

[silent steppe]

Yeah

Wait I thought that was Channel 4 news

[ripe berry]

But yeah the Map of Raven Brooks is a odd thing

[ripe berry]

It's both

[silent steppe]

Oh wow

[fiery otter]

I wonder why they're always changing the map

[ripe berry]

It's Channel 4 News, but with the Banner as it's name

[ripe berry]

Like

HN1 Map is different (slightly) from the SN Map

HG/HN1/HNHS map is different from the Guidebook Map

HN2A1 map is different from any of those

Same with HN2A1.5

Same with NeighborArea (Alpha 2)

Same with Beta

Same with Demo

||Same with FG||

Same with Hello Engineer

Same with AS

[silent steppe]

I was hoping for the Llama farm in HN2

[fiery otter]

the guidebook has a map?

[silent steppe]

Yeah

One sec

[ripe berry]

A cringe one, but yes it does

[median stirrup]

what isn't cringe about it

[ripe berry]

true

[ripe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

[fiery otter]

when GAAP is next to ted's house

[silent steppe]

Why is “Neighbor’s house” the only one marked? THERE ARE TONS OF HOUSES ON THAT STREET.

[ripe berry]

Only important one I guess

[strange lance]

There's a page where Ted has his arm wrapped around Aaron, but it looks awful

please show it

[silent steppe]

Ok

This one?

[strange lance]

yes

god it's bad

[ripe berry]

The frick is that image

[latent cosmos]

a render and a elena drawing in one

[ripe berry]

and a HN 1 screenshot

Like why mix all those together

[silent steppe]

He is literally edited into all these photos what

[ripe berry]

2 would be ok (Render + HN1 Screenshot)

but the Ted Drawing makes it bad

[silent steppe]

The same render

[latent cosmos]

that is from a official render

[ripe berry]

Same background twice

Same render

[ripe berry]

Also pretty sure on one of the early pages there is a "Newspaper" where they just loaded a animation from HN1 Alpha 1 then took a Screenshot

For the Cover image

[silent steppe]

Then the same photo

But for the news

[ripe berry]

of the News Article

[silent steppe]

Yep

[ripe berry]

At least use different renders I swear to god

[silent steppe]

The same render

[lyric zephyr]

Don’t forget that in the guidebook that the Neighbor’s “house layout”
Is a butchered version of the Prototype House layout with puzzles and rooms that DONT EXIST!

[ripe berry]

Damn they really only thought that one render exists

[silent steppe]

Yeah I was trying to find the “Coffin” in the basement

[ripe berry]

I forgot about that

[ripe berry]

this is why I don't trust the Guidebook one bit

other then officially confirmed info they put into the Guidebook

Imma go do smth

brb

[silent steppe]

Bye

[strange lance]

could you post the layout?

[silent steppe]

Ok

[strange lance]

My book kinda just disappeared

[lyric zephyr]

Now post the house layout itself

It’s even
“Better”!

[strange lance]

I really liked the idea of the endless basement, with the cut off areas

made it creepy

[silent steppe]

????

[lyric zephyr]

Love how they completely forgot the generator, and the window placement for the fake room, and the bathroom,

[silent steppe]

Hold up

Why is this only the second floor?

[lyric zephyr]

They didn’t even do a second floor

They took the first floor and put post it notes on it

And the first floor ain’t even right

How did they mess up so badly

[silent steppe]

Idk

There’s no guide for the first floor either

[lyric zephyr]

There was one before at one point

There’s
There’s no hidden room accessible by “ a few keys”, there is no second floor staircase to nowhere,

[silent steppe]

Also there are plot holes in the construction of these maps

[fiery otter]

isn't it funny that tinybuild put the prototype house layout in a book instead of giving it to the fans

[lyric zephyr]

No, because it isn’t even the right layout

Not even the correct prototype house layout

They removed most of the walls and added a couple to make giant rooms

The staircase isn’t even in the right place

[silent steppe]

Like how does Nicky have enough time to write THE WHOLE BASEMENT, but gets caught so many times???

[fiery otter]

I'd think that if Nicky got caught once in the basement then Ted would lock him up with Aaron immediately

[silent steppe]

Like, “Aaron, I know where you are, but I’m just gonna spend like an hour building this useless fake map”

[fading widget]

💀

[lyric zephyr]

Wait, did they seriously remove the page for the first floor?

[ripe berry]

Back

Swore I saw a guide for the First Floor somewhere

[lyric zephyr]

I have a friend who got the guidebook right when it came out and I recall them sending me a pic of the first floor

The prototype layout but the walls are messed up, had labels for an elevator, a fake wall,

[ripe berry]

Give me a bit I think I have a image of the "First Floor Layout" on me

But if I don't then that's ok

[fiery otter]

how would it be that hard to recreate the actual game house layout

[fiery otter]

other than in act 3

that would be a nightmare

[fading widget]

yeah

[ripe berry]

Alright I don't have a image of it

[strange lance]

omg lore

[fiery otter]

enzo and trinity chopped down that tree
k i s s i n g

[fading widget]

💀

[ripe berry]

Me when the

[fading widget]

me when

me when hello neighbor lore

[urban fulcrum]

is that really lore we already knew

[tribal talon]

Wth

Aw hell nah I'm imagining it now

Help

[fading widget]

HAHA

[urban fulcrum]

oh god now its going on to meeee noooooooo

[short fox]

Question:

Is secret neighbor canon?

[fading widget]

hm

i mean

i could be wrong but i don’t think so?

if i’m wrong please correct me

[strange lance]

Everything about SN is imagination, except for the lobby area and some skins

and also the ending area of the rocket event

[fading widget]

oooo okay

interesting

[strange lance]

Not to sure about the trophies you earn, they are in the lobby but the events clearly don't happen irl

[lyric zephyr]

I’d say the trophies aren’t canon

[ripe berry]

I treat the descriptions as canon but maybe not the actual trophies

(with the exception of the Rocket, MitH's Hat, and the Lucy Yi event ones)

So basically all of them are

except for the Mini Weather Station

[tribal talon]

Ok I stopped imagining it now

[fading widget]

after like an hour???????

[tribal talon]

Nope

After a... minute or so

[fading widget]

oop

[urban fulcrum]

im still imagining it because of youuuuu

[tribal talon]

Uhh

[fading widget]

man what are y’all on

i’ve just been imagining memes to make for this

[urban fulcrum]

bruh

[ripe berry]

Ask the AS designers what the early design of Enzo was on, they'll give you a similar answer to what some server member are on

[urban fulcrum]

whats AS

[ripe berry]

(For context this image has the early design of Enzo I was referring to)

[ripe berry]

Animated Series

[tribal talon]

Enzo looks like he's on..

I hate his eyes

[ripe berry]

Exactly

that's why I said what I said

[tribal talon]

But I'm not on what he's on

[ripe berry]

oh

ok

[fading widget]

mr peterson’s stance 💀

[tribal talon]

It's not my fault I started imagining Enzo and Trinity chopping down a tree while kissing

It's coolwing's fault

(Not really)

[urban fulcrum]

how would they be k i s s i n g and chopping down a tree

[tribal talon]

Idk

Real questions

[languid geyser]

probably kissed after choping down the tree.

[lyric zephyr]

What do you mean early design, this is Enzo’s CURRENT design. These are all their current designs other than tweaking the eyes

[ripe berry]

The eye change is why I called it early

[tribal talon]

Yes... now let's stop talking about this.

[lyric zephyr]

And somehow making Maritza’s eyes worse

Not getting the eye color right and removing the eyelashes

[ripe berry]

ye

[languid geyser]

does anyone know what the story of the hello neighbor novel is?

[lyric zephyr]

Which one

[languid geyser]

the one that features nicky

[lyric zephyr]

Oh so the first trilogy

[languid geyser]

yes

[tribal talon]

It's lorein' time

[lyric zephyr]

Basically Nicky is new to town, moved across multiple different towns w his parents bc they’re looking for stable jobs. He meets Aaron, they become quick friends, meets Enzo, Maritza, Trinity, etc.
Discovers the stigma around the Peterson family, investigates, hijinks and really dark moments ensue

End of Book 1 has Mya’s death and Aaron going “missing”

Gtg someone continue this

[languid geyser]

thx

[urban fulcrum]

and then walking nightmare then act 1 begins and then HN2 i think

[lyric zephyr]

They’re asking about the stories of the books

[ripe berry]

You forgor Waking Nightmare

[lyric zephyr]

Not the timeline

[ripe berry]

and 99% of Buried Secrets

[tribal talon]

Sleeping Dream

[urban fulcrum]

ok want me to do the timeline

[languid geyser]

are any of these book be cannon to the story of the first game in anyway or is it not cannon? i am kinda hoping that it would be tho.

[ripe berry]

they asked for the Story of the Nicky Trilogy

[ripe berry]

Everything but AS Pilot, Nog Simming, and most likely the Guidebook is canon

[languid geyser]

thats good to hear

[ripe berry]

(They never denied the Guidebook being canon but it's too inaccurate for me to count it as canon)

[urban fulcrum]

idk what the full timeline is of the HN saga

like all of it

[languid geyser]

i mean i already know that hide and seek is before hello neighbor act 1 & 2

i was just confuse if the novels was cannon to the games.

[ripe berry]

Buried Secrets connects directly to Act 1

Heck it's ending is a retelling of Act 1

[languid geyser]

interesting

[ripe berry]

Waking Nightmare isn't that important

But then we get to Buried Secrets

So it's Nicky's 13th Birthday

His parents took him to a amusement park outside of town named Spree Land

[urban fulcrum]

wonder how old Maritza is

[ripe berry]

While on a ride Nicky spots Mr.Peterson

[languid geyser]

are the HN 2 neighbors like the mayor in the novels?

[ripe berry]

After the ride Mr.Peterson puts a torn down missing poster to try (and partly succeeds with this first thing) to ruin Nicky's life

[ripe berry]

Only Keith(Nielsen)

None of the others are

But Keith isn't officially introduced until the Prequel Aaron Trilogy

[ripe berry]

This get's Maritza (Brave from SN) to get frustrated at Nicky

then Mr.Peterson continues to ruin Nicky's life

[solid dew]

isn't keith in both nicky and aaron trilogies

[ripe berry]

Like setting up a "Prank" at the local grocer using a Mannequin

[wicked heath]

yes

[ripe berry]

He is, but I'm pretty sure he was not named until the Aaron Trilogy

[solid dew]

also ted was likely just doing things to make nicky seem as untrustworthy as possible so that nobody would believe him once he inevitably found out the truth

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[wicked heath]

"i think its pretty obvious keith"

[solid dew]

he was only ever fully named in book 2

[wicked heath]

-Marcia tillman 1995

[solid dew]

however book 1 and 3 had keith's name

[wicked heath]

"well then pretend its not obvious to all of us"

[ripe berry]

Welp must've forgot, been some time since I read the books

[urban fulcrum]

wonder when ottos name came from

[wicked heath]

exactly when Aaron destroyed the speakers

heck nicky first thought they were dating

[ripe berry]

Then eventually Nicky finds tapes Mya recorded and finds out a little too much surrounding Mya's death

I'm getting back on track with the explanation here

[ripe berry]

Then Act 1 happens

And that is where the book ends

[solid dew]

well it ends a little after the ending of act 1

[tribal talon]

What happens after?

[solid dew]

nicky finds aaron and a massive underground amusement park and then is trapped in the basement until act 2 of hn1

[ripe berry]

Yep

Welcome to Hello Neighbor lore

Decided to not make a event timeline since I may get some details wrong due to being awhile since I read some of the books

[solid dew]

simply reread them

they're not too long

[tribal talon]

The hello neighbor books sound boring

[solid dew]

if you think books are boring then yes

[tribal talon]

Reading pages of text walls sounds fun!

[crystal scroll]

I loved reading the HN books actually!

And I am not a big book lover by any means

[urban fulcrum]

wait HN2 did not have this unless the in the ending of HN2 spoilers!!! ||the guest was a shapeshifter and one of the forest protesters knock Quentin out leading him in the massive underground amusement park and thats where we find arron||

[solid dew]

it's mostly because if you're interested in the story then you'll find reading about it more interesting

[crystal scroll]

Yeah

[solid dew]

because it sheds a lot of light on a lot of details

[crystal scroll]

It’s a book series based on the game series I love

So naturally I was drawn to it

[urban fulcrum]

anyone like that theory

cuz HN2 cant end there

[tribal talon]

||That.. doesn't happen at all||

[solid dew]

i do find myself rereading it but only for the details that i might otherwise miss
i don't think i'd ever find myself remembering that raven brooks had a town square or that gordon cleave used a luck device as a paperweight

yeah that theory doesn't make any sense by the way

[urban fulcrum]

||welp hn2 cant end there they can chance it anytime||

[crystal scroll]

I don’t think I have reread any of the books

[solid dew]

||forest protectors disbanded and some were arrested
police are at the neighbor's house
aaron was taken out of the basement a while ago||

[crystal scroll]

Could be something to do in 2023

[solid dew]

i recommend it
especially if you ever find yourself recreating raven brooks.

[crystal scroll]

HN2 desperately needs a mod kit

[solid dew]

or modelling characters.

[crystal scroll]

Which I have not needed to do either of.

[tribal talon]

||Actually Aaron transforms into The Guest||

[solid dew]

yeah

but still it's useful if you're making anything based around raven brooks

[ripe berry]

Me:

[crystal scroll]

I suppose so

[urban fulcrum]

||did you read the shapeshifter part||

[ripe berry]

(I literally am remaking Raven Brooks using the Stream Leak's Map in Minecraft so...)

[crystal scroll]

Well it’s about time I went to sleep, gn!

[urban fulcrum]

gn

[crystal scroll]

[solid dew]

imagine recreating raven brooks and using hn2 as a reference

[ripe berry]

GN2 you

[solid dew]

hilarious

[urban fulcrum]

#1014682487038935172 you can pos leaks there about your map

[ripe berry]

Godamgn it Autocorrect

[crystal scroll]

“Raven Brooks Disaster you”

[solid dew]

would have been better if you played off as an intentional pun 🦀

[ripe berry]

It's a base reference for starting, I'll extend it from there to feature other stuff (like Town Square, RB Elementary, the DLC Locations, etc)

[tribal talon]

||You're wrong on the "forest protector knock out quentin" part||

[solid dew]

seriously the hn2 map is way too small and none of it makes sense and i hate it

[ripe berry]

Maybe if Autocorrect ever does that again I will

[ripe berry]

Again, I'll extend from there with more of Raven Brooks

[urban fulcrum]

eh i planning to make my own custom RB cuz i dont want to copy them

and add the farmer house

[solid dew]

me when i retcon friendly court and retcon every single canon resident in rb

[ripe berry]

Just using the HN2 Leaked Stream Map as a starting point I'll extend to add more locations

[urban fulcrum]

me make custom

[solid dew]

the only part i do like is the mix of the more rural style of raven brooks that you can see in some of nikita's photos in combination with the more modern suburban style

[ripe berry]

And maybe further seperate the Museum from Mr.Peterson's house, or the Mayor's Manor would be moved closer to where, when I'm done making the road map, the center of the town

maybe also throw in a Mall Easter Egg bc that thing literally has not been removed in Months

Since December 2021 it's been in the game files

it's still there in the demo

But still

[urban fulcrum]

maybe i dont want to copy them

and make a custom like me

[tribal talon]

That would be copying.

[ripe berry]

the Map will at least be mostly custom made

but not fully custom made

[urban fulcrum]

my map will have 0% copied and adds scrapped stuff

[ripe berry]

Also I'll probably read the books again and try to map out all the different maps of Raven Brooks to try to make a true map

[urban fulcrum]

like GAAP farm etc

[ripe berry]

Me putting GAAP, Mayak, and "Guest World" (AKA Old Art version of the town (Mall will be in that)):

(Guest World will have Gray Manor in it)

[urban fulcrum]

ok

..

you beat

me

buut

bakery otto house museum mayor house will be custom made

besides the blue house

[ripe berry]

Me finishing the Second Floor of the Peterson Household:

Anyways lore

[urban fulcrum]

me finishing the house

[wicked heath]

why wool tho

[urban fulcrum]

i deleted it

im starting a new map

[manic dirge]

yes it does

[silver vine]

Keith is in every single book except books 4 and 7

[silver vine]

naw, doubt it

Seth and Ruben are heavy basketball players, and they always make fun of Aaron

Bagger doesnt really fit that

[silver vine]

this is false

Keith was officially introduced in book 1

[silver vine]

PLEASE

JUST

STOP

spreading false information

I cant believe a book reader like YOU got the facts wrong

[silver vine]

he was named way back in book 1 🗿

[silver vine]

he was fully named in books 1,2,3,5, and 6

[strange lance]

Why are you acting so aggressive, he probably just forgot

[silver vine]

I dont like ppl spreading false information

[strange lance]

Again, he probably just forgot?

[silver vine]

ok

[strange lance]

You don't gotta yell at him like it's the end of the world, just say like "He actually was named here btw" instead of " OMG you forgot a simple tiny detail from the books that's easy to forget I will KILL you!"

[silver vine]

ok

sorry

I did get a little angry

@ripe berry Im sorry

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-black-bolt-im-sorry-illuminati-doctor-strange-gif-26021454

[strange lance]

Scary Lucy forgives you

I hate her face here to much

She's staring into my soul

[lyric zephyr]

Mya’s smile

Maritza looks the most normal but still ain’t the original

[hazy slate]

||They know what you did||

[strange lance]

Now it's this

Which is more bearable thank god

But the detail is kinda just gone

And it's not colored anymore

And Maritza is a boy now

(Joke)

She just looks like one here for some reason

[silver vine]

||they know what you did last summer||

[silver vine]

*tom boy

[strange lance]

Does being a tom boy remove your eyelashes

[silver vine]

neither Mya nor Lucy have eye lashes

so

[strange lance]

Being a tom boy doesn't make you look like a boy tho

You just, "dress" like one and "behave" like one

And then there's the original

Love how only Lucy's bracelet is visible now for some reason

[hazy slate]

who doesn't love pre SN maritza

[strange lance]

Imagine her looking like that in SN, that'd be cool ngl

But nah make her completely white but still hispanic ok

[silver vine]

me

[lyric zephyr]

Pre-SN Maritza is best Maritza

[silent steppe]

Exactly

[lyric zephyr]

And Enzo was an athlete with a thing for video games! And not a scrawny photography club geek

[silent steppe]

I was really thrown off when I saw their SN models istg

I loved book 1 Mari

[silent steppe]

I’m pretty sure the book describes him with a tan

He looks like a vampire

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, Enzo would definitely be the same shade as his sister was in the pic

Since yknow, siblings

But nope, pastey white geek

[silent steppe]

Yeah and I acknowledge that genes and all, but I thought Mr. Esposito was white and their mother was Mari’s shade

[lyric zephyr]

I always thought the other way around

[silent steppe]

Oh wow

We never saw their parents so it could be either

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[silver vine]

he was a scrawny photography club geek in the Aaron trilogy tho

[lyric zephyr]

Because they’d already changed his character by then

[silver vine]

(pardon the ping)

hmmmm

[silver vine]

and, no, this isnt ALWAYS the case

[lyric zephyr]

But it tends to be the case because, shared genetics

[silver vine]

then explain my friends

Jaden and Alden

they are brothers born from the same womb

yet, Jaden looks like vannila ice cream and Alden looks like dark chocolate

[lyric zephyr]

🤷‍♂️ stylistic choice for the characters

[silver vine]

wdym

they are my real life friends

[lyric zephyr]

Doesn’t change the fact Enzo was an athlete with a tan, then changed to scrawny white nerd

[lyric zephyr]

I thought they were some obscure book characters lol

I don’t know who your friends are lmao

[lyric zephyr]

Missed that part woops

My mistake

[silver vine]

my point is, siblings arent always the same color

[lyric zephyr]

Even if they’re different shades neither of them were as pale as they are now

And surprise surprise, they have the same skin color now

So idk what the point was

[silver vine]

you said that siblings will always be the same color

and my point is, they arent

[lyric zephyr]

That’s fair

[silent steppe]

It is fair, but Mari was confirmed to have that skin in the Nicky trilogy, and now they’re… unlit cat lamps

[silver vine]

ye

its prob just one out of several retcons

[silent steppe]

I guess the point here is we loved pre-SN Maritza and now she’s not

[silver vine]

I didnt

[silent steppe]

Why not

(No judge, just asking)

[silver vine]

I prefer the current design more

[hazy slate]

I agree

old maritza was generic

[silent steppe]

New Mari is kinda generic too ngl

[silver vine]

I mean

I would say neither are generic

[silent steppe]

??????

[silver vine]

neither designs are generic

imo

[silent steppe]

Oh

[lyric zephyr]

Maritza’s “Brave” design is good! Just
They aren’t really the original Maritza

They’re basically just 2 entirely different designs said to be the same character

[silver vine]

but you still have to keep in mind

Brave was always meant to be Maritza from the beginning

you always tend to forget that

[lyric zephyr]

They were intended to be! Just they got very many details wrong!

[silver vine]

or they intentionally retconned her design

[versed yacht]

Brave was designed to be Maritza, but she uses a totally different design

[lyric zephyr]

Which that ain’t good!

[silver vine]

why?

[lyric zephyr]

There’s a word for it but I’d probably get in trouble w the mods

[silver vine]

they prob gave her light skin, cuz we already have dark skinned Trinity

[silent steppe]

There are different shades of skin tho

I don’t intend for this to be an argument guys

[silver vine]

Im not

[silver vine]

you havent read the text ontop the office?

it reads "Wayron Croobs Nebbar 4TV"

which translates to: "Raven Brooks Banner 4TV"

but the sign for some reason says WCB4TV

instead of WCN4TV

[strange lance]

Wayron Croobs Rimmor had such a nice ring to it I know they wanted book accuracy and whatever but still 😭

[silver vine]

I prefer banner

[strange lance]

I guess they could swap rimmor with nebbar and it'd be good

Quentin origins 👻

[silver vine]

what actually is an author program?

[solid dew]

his full name
was only mentioned in book 2

[silver vine]

Keith Newsom

[silver vine]

it was also mentioned in book 5

[strange lance]

It's a program for like, small reporters I guess, and Quentin was a part of it, and judging by all the drawers and the labels I'm assuming he was assigned to RB

[silver vine]

"heads up, Keith Newsom and his slick detective buddy are here"

this is from book 5

@solid dew

[solid dew]

there's no way i missed that every single time i read the book
i would have remembered if his name was mentioned outside of book 2

[silver vine]

ok, lemme show you the proof

[silver vine]

go to book 5 page 143

2nd page of chapter 9

[solid dew]

damn
that chapter must have been really uninteresting for me to completely not read it

[silver vine]

its impossible for it to be uninteresting

its the chapter where they excavate a nest and find a luck device

[silver vine]

its actually one of the most crucial chapters

[solid dew]

then i probably just didn't notice the name every time i read it
i remember every other part of that chapter

[urban fulcrum]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ca620d40051a80c2d79bc77258289b3/tenor.gif?itemid=26849510

[ripe berry]

Um not to refer back to old messages, but apology accepted Lore Master

I actually forgot about Keith being named in the first 3 books, been some time since I've read them you know

[silver vine]

👍