lore-discussion

[jovial mural]

craycray for the lols

[vernal kraken]

accurate description of ted, is just a less extreme beats you up 'are you okay? that's terrible'

[jovial mural]

yolo

[vernal kraken]

bro will help somebody and then 15 minutes later be mad about it

gn2

[jovial mural]

yeah like he's an oddball, you can see why he went crazy so suddenly(aside from his wife and daughter dying)

[verbal jewel]

Ted be the type of guy to give your grandma a kidney transplant then kick her down the stairs

[lyric zephyr]

Books 1-3 captured Ted perfectly tbh
He’s insane, but he’s human

[jovial mural]

ted is the type of guy to run those fake animal rescue channels

[vernal kraken]

It's really good characterisation ngl

as chaotic as it is it feels very realistic

[lyric zephyr]

Now he’s just wackass weirdo who watches TV while his son constantly sobs in the attic of an abandoned museum while running from the cops

[verbal jewel]

Ted runs troom troom

[vernal kraken]

that's probably why I stuck around the series

[verbal jewel]

Ya no he just a npc at this point, he's focusing on one task and doing it without emotion "leave with son"

[vernal kraken]

ai moment

[verbal jewel]

Me when the ai driven mr Peterson actually is ai driven

[jovial mural]

plot twist ted was a robot this whole time

!!

[verbal jewel]

Ted was built by afton

[jovial mural]

intense LORE...

[vernal kraken]

I've played too many modern games where that was deadass the plot twist that the whole thing was a game and it's..... annoying tbh, like. We came here for fun though what happened to telling and creating a story, so I kinda hope they don't go with that in the end

[verbal jewel]

Don't ya remember when Ted was watching TV and picking his nose in the sister location trailer

[jovial mural]

that was absolutely insane, truly an insane reveal for the character

[verbal jewel]

Scott actually is nikkita ??!!!

If you rearrange the latter's and swap a few out nikkita spells Scott

Matpat making a video on hn just to turn it into fnaf

[jovial mural]

tf2 is a prequel to fnaf. the briefcase in the Capture The Flag gamemode is actually the blueprints afton used to build the animatronics, which he made in partnership of Mr. Peterson and henry

[verbal jewel]

And the administrator gave him Australium so he can always come back

[vernal kraken]

the mayor is marios cousin

[jovial mural]

official lore

[verbal jewel]

Where's my lore master role

Watch book 24 reveal Quentin is a wanted terrorist

[jovial mural]

no way

fr hype

[verbal jewel]

Anyway yes I do enjoy Ted

[jovial mural]

i enjoy the hello neighbor character i do

[verbal jewel]

Gonna have to draw him more

Hopefully I can draw him as good as simming kilm hhh

One day

[vernal kraken]

given one of the trailers literally showed him commiting like 12 crimes in a couple minutes I wouldn't be super surprised tbh

bro woke up and chose to be a menace to society in the name of journalism

[verbal jewel]

Fdjdjhdd

Who's the real villain of hello neighbor 2

[jovial mural]

average journalist

[verbal jewel]

Quentin steals granddads iron lung to uncover the mysteries of raven brooks

[vernal kraken]

like can you imagine if the other people in the town didn't actually have anything to hide and this dude that don't look like he's showed in months breaks into their house and starts looking through all their stuff, convinced they're all in on a plot

[lyric zephyr]

I’d still like to think that HN2 will basically have a reputation system, which is very likely
You can play it as a menace or a good boy

[vernal kraken]

that'd be a dream tbh

[lyric zephyr]

I mean you CAN win over the trust of the cops as said in a interview

[verbal jewel]

Oh yess

[lyric zephyr]

Same with Skipper

[verbal jewel]

Hopefully

[lyric zephyr]

Well Skipper can at least be distracted w treats

[verbal jewel]

Would be cool if npcs remember you, like gerda actually remembers you throwing a pie in her face

[lyric zephyr]

Hope they do

[jovial mural]

I'd love to be a menace. if the AI is actually good I'd love to harass the npc's

[lyric zephyr]

Gerda kicks you out as soon as you step in her store after you broke in twice and threw random objects at her

You can no longer buy from her bakery

[verbal jewel]

Also maybe we should take this to #hello-neighbor

[lyric zephyr]

Off topic real quick but I couldn’t tell if your PFP was one of the doctors from WHF, Spamton, or Snow Miser, now I know it’s Snow Miser

Anyways HN

[verbal jewel]

Mixed with whf doctor ~

[lyric zephyr]

Yes

[mighty spindle]

Give me link 😭

[crude dew]

don't ask people to do that, because you'll most likely receive a very subjective and mostly incorrect comment
and then you'll find by accident months later, that things happened differently
to begin with, which game. cuz there's multiple games which focus on different things......

and lmao I can't fit the second comic anywhere either, Retro
it just makes no _ sense

can we say the comics are just spinoffs? would be good.

[opaque crag]

The answer would be different for everyone cuz the lore makes no sense

[crude dew]

it does, actually
the games' base lore does
books? hm.

cuz I see you got spammed with mostly book facts, while the HN lore can be summed up simply, like:
guy from my pfp has nice family, they actually live happily, like...a family...but one day wife dies in car crash, daughter falls off the roof, guy from my pfp hides son in basement, because he's afraid of losing him too
random kid from the opposite house accidentally sees him hiding son in basement, thinks some murder is goin on ((lmfao seriously what did Nicky think? he should chill)) so he goes to the house of said man to investigate.
he gets too far both in the house and the story, so he gets kidnapped
later he escapes and achieves life-long trauma, which he gets over under a single night. (Nicky should tell me his secret)

that's it, that's the story for starters

there's also 7 books and two comics, like they gave friends to this introverted kid (lmao) and the friends um...do stuff. but in the end of the books, the kid breaks in himself, on his own, so. ➡️ that's the kid tho.
and they also gave man on my pfp yet another background story, where 47832596823 kids die because of bad amusement park management,so they must endlessly move from state to state to not get bullied,cuz everyone blames it on him, despite he's being threatened multiple times by rich people to build an even bigger roller coaster than the previous, which is obv dangerous..and he has a friend who gets killed by cultists, because of course

stuff like that, but that's just further details

[crude dew]

we all know the answer, my friend

[silver vine]

guest doesnt kill Ted

[crude dew]

unless Guest is him 🧠

k that was some hidden irony

[silver vine]

maybe the cop couldnt clearly see his face cuz heavy rain + Ted wearing a hoodie

[lyric zephyr]

I don’t see how, since they were standing directly next to a bright flashing police light

It’d be hard not to see his face

[crude dew]

I still have a thought, where Nielsen and Neigbor or very very very far away relatives, and Nielsen just
doesn't want to arrest him, really
he has to, but he doesn't want to

[silver vine]

naw

[lyric zephyr]

Like, even from a distance it illuminated his face very well

So standing right next to the light itself the cop would be able to see him

[silver vine]

you have E book?

[lyric zephyr]

Yes

The high quality

[silver vine]

I have hardcopy

[crude dew]

me too and I regret

[silver vine]

the much higher quality

[silver vine]

why

[lyric zephyr]

But then you have to deal with the curve in the pages and glare

[crude dew]

cuz it's hard to get images if I have to

[lyric zephyr]

They chatting

And yeah this clearly ain’t Nielsen

[silver vine]

hmmmmm

[crude dew]

there was something going on with this comic neighbor
something sus

the ending with the guest transformation thing made no sense

[lyric zephyr]

Possession

[crude dew]

meh

[silver vine]

maybe he pulled the hoodie over his eyes so that cop doesnt recognize

[lyric zephyr]

That’s pretty much the only thing I can think of bc it like can’t be a metaphor in my opinion

[crude dew]

or the cop is some rookie, who just came to the town

[silver vine]

oh ya that too

[lyric zephyr]

But then how come Regina doesn’t know about him? Surely she would’ve heard stories about the Peterson case, the 3 missing kids and the crazy old theme park designer who never got caught

She knows about the Raven Man but not Ted

[crude dew]

oh come on

f f

[lyric zephyr]

I love the bot

[crude dew]

ok then I'm not saying my opinion
luck

[silver vine]

oh right

she didnt even flinch when he told his name was Peterson

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

Pris I would get because she’s not native to Raven Brooks but Regina is a native

Everyone who lived there for long enough should know about the man who created the park on the edge of town and kidnapped 3 children back in the 90s only to never be caught after fleeing the cops

He’d be a popular town legend by the 2010s

Wait, now I’m questioning something else

If it’s the 2010s, where the hell did Mr. Peterson get a Golden Apple Branded trailer for the truck?

[silver vine]

park

[lyric zephyr]

But wouldn’t it be coated in rust, or like in the first book trilogy it’d be torn down

Idk how he’d still be collecting stuff from the park in the 2010s-2020s

[silver vine]

its weird that even the kids who live in 2021 know about Peterson, but the ppl in GN2, whenever that takes place, deos not know him

[silver vine]

he could've painted it

but still

its confusing

[lyric zephyr]

Very inconspicuous Teddy Boy, driving a truck of a long since defunct company that is associated with one of the most tragic town events

[silver vine]

if someone saw a truck from the old park, they would get suspicious

neither Regina nor the cops noticed the golden apple branding on the truck

[lyric zephyr]

Guess it can go right next to the “oblivious people” story elements, right next to how in Hello Engineer that the Inventors Club just do not care about the guy who kidnapped their friends hunting them down in an amusement park, and instead want to focus on making a car.

[silver vine]

true

he prob became on par with the guest ever since he went missing

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

Like that’s a perfect story to tell your friends, at parties, at sleepovers, on Halloween

The old theme park designer who stole 3 kids and was never caught by the police

[jovial mural]

tbf making a car with ur friends is more fun than worrying about a person trying to kidnap you

[lyric zephyr]

“Some say he’s still out there.. Looking for another kid to add to his collection…”
Parent comes up and yells “BOO” behind the group

[silver vine]

mannequins were always alive

they were robotic

robotic mannequins

[jovial mural]

live

[silver vine]

book 3 and book 4

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, Book 3 moment

In Book 3 he basically uses the mannequins as a work force

[silver vine]

he has an entire army of em

Idk why he abandoned them in HN2

tbf, the mannequins really had the potential

Ted could've invaded the entire town using his mannequins

[lyric zephyr]

The Mayor when Ted overthrows the local government with a mannequin army

[silver vine]

mayor and his dog cant do anything about it

[lyric zephyr]

The Mayor just starts beating mannequins to death with his bare hands, performing action movie stunts and techniques

[jovial mural]

he had to quickly go into hiding, ain't no way he could carry his secret mannequin army™ to the museum in time

[silver vine]

guidebook moment

[lyric zephyr]

Okay, that just gives me an idea for the basement in HN2 full game.
Imagine when going into the main basement (hidden behind a secret door), you’re just surrounded by mannequins in areas, some start to move when you’re not looking

[jovial mural]

pain

[silver vine]

he could very well come back at nights, open the cellar door, and release his mannequin army

[jovial mural]

Weeping Angels but epic

[lyric zephyr]

Yes

[silver vine]

FNAF SB endoskeletons moment

[lyric zephyr]

I love Doctor Who

[jovial mural]

who?

[silver vine]

but, tbh, that'd be way scary

[lyric zephyr]

Some mannequins are robotic and move, some aren’t
All are identical

[jovial mural]

this is a neat idea btw. idk if they would play as actual enemies, but maybe just as things that spook you. like the Bendy cutouts in BATIM where they move around corners to spook you

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah either one works

They can either be their own AIs or just scares

[silver vine]

guidebook moment

[jovial mural]

guidebook moment

[lyric zephyr]

??

[silver vine]

in the guidebook town theory page, a local town resident had a theory that Ted is using voodoo magic to put the souls of his dead family members into the mannequins

[lyric zephyr]

Man, he must have a LOT of dead family members

Dozens

[silver vine]

his ancestors

[jovial mural]

hey if there's a possibility that he can revive his wife and daughter, might as well revive other family members he wants to see

[silver vine]

Grughodor Petestone

[median stirrup]

Who

[lyric zephyr]

Sir Isaac Mandelthorp Peters

[tribal talon]

Hello Neighbor lore be like: uhhh idk

[silver vine]

Peterson's stone age ancestor

[lyric zephyr]

He’s the modern Stone Age Peterson!

[median stirrup]

You mean ooga booga

[lyric zephyr]

From the town of Raven-Rock

Wrong reply but eh

[silver vine]

ooga booga petestone's soul inside mannequin

[jovial mural]

any digital versions of the graphic novels? idk if they're any good but they look kinda neat I guess

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, they’re both on kindle

[median stirrup]

Kandle

[silver vine]

candle

[jovial mural]

kandle

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-candle-dark-light-gif-7522205

[jovial mural]

real

[median stirrup]

Lore

[lyric zephyr]

Skimmed back through GN2 again and

[tribal talon]

Hello Guest Prototype lore

[silver vine]

and?

what did you find

[lyric zephyr]

Legit if he was afraid he might be recognized or found out, he could’ve given them a fake name, or just his First Name

But

[silver vine]

Peterson

[lyric zephyr]

He tells them the name he’d most be recognized by

[median stirrup]

Mr. Petterson

[tribal talon]

Quinten?

[median stirrup]

Perfect fake name

[silver vine]

thats what I said here

[median stirrup]

Well this happens years after and they might just... not know

[lyric zephyr]

But there’s no way they couldn’t

[silver vine]

kids who live in the year 2021 know about Peterson and his history

[jovial mural]

mr wilson

[median stirrup]

Yeah but not everyone has to idk

[silver vine]

well, the history is kinda mixed up, but they know what happened

[lyric zephyr]

There’s no way the entire town just forgets about the tragedy involving 2 kidnapped boys, a dead little girl, and a amusement park catastrophe that killed another little girl
And then the guy was never caught by the cops

[tribal talon]

Hello Neighbor

[median stirrup]

Uh I uhhh

NoT cAnOn

[jovial mural]

"you can call me Hello Neighbor"

[lyric zephyr]

Also man look at these gas prices, Raven Brooks must have it bad

[silver vine]

Vinod says that Peterson went of the rails and locked up his kids in the basement and one of em didnt make it out alive

[silver vine]

wow

[jovial mural]

these gas prices are the only normal things about the town

[lyric zephyr]

The perfect story for a town legend

[silver vine]

true

[lyric zephyr]

With just enough information to get details wrong to make him scarier

[median stirrup]

I love it when half of my car's wheels disappear

[silver vine]

this information also tells us that Aaron and Mya was found

[tribal talon]

She died

[silver vine]

but they do not know that it was Aaron who killed Mya

[tribal talon]

Oh wait

[lyric zephyr]

Or that part of the story was lost to time

[median stirrup]

I mean what else do you think happens in HN2

[silver vine]

ye, could be

[lyric zephyr]

But like, for GN2 it makes sense that Pris wouldn’t know about Mr. Peterson, she’s new to town
But Regina is a native and yadda yadda I’ve gone over this before

[silver vine]

house burns

[silver vine]

or get destroyed by tornado

[tribal talon]

Who burned Mr. Wilson's house

[silver vine]

Aarob

[median stirrup]

Native Raven brookian

[silver vine]

Raven Brookish

[lyric zephyr]

Reset Day with the house still standing:

[silver vine]

the park was destroyed in the books and was covered in cement

[tribal talon]

The Hello Neighbor lore is

[silver vine]

but its still standing in HN2

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, the books are weird and very inconsistent

[silver vine]

dont worry

[lyric zephyr]

The story as a whole tbh

I still like how this room looks, like apart from the lore implications

Very atmospheric

[silver vine]

but, I can imagine them retconning the time the house gets destroyed

or its just guest messing with time

[lyric zephyr]

Hey Loish, remembah da time our house got destroyed

[median stirrup]

A nest? Looks like a giant hole to me

[silver vine]

it has sticks around the hole

so, it is nest

[lyric zephyr]

And under the sticks Mr Peterson’s family picture is wedged and about to fall into the hole

[median stirrup]

That's not sticks

[lyric zephyr]

Sticks roots whatever

The weird things

[median stirrup]

Yeah roots

[tribal talon]

I wonder what that means

[silver vine]

guest messing with time using mayak could've caused the park and the house to not get destroyed, or delaying the time they get destroyed

[lyric zephyr]

And how it transitions from roots to seemingly cloth as soon as the Guest appears to her

[median stirrup]

How does that work

[lyric zephyr]

The Mayak was just wacky crazy in Reser Day from what I remember

[silver vine]

time loops

Mayak was only mentioned in RD

but, it def has something to do with the mysteris in the town

[lyric zephyr]

Like wasn’t it doing the opposite of what it should? From what little I’ve seen
Earthquakes, tremors, sinkholes, etc
Instead of yknow, storms?

[lyric zephyr]

Same with the Guest being associated with smoke and fire, instead of Water like in GN2

[tribal talon]

Wow the ello guest must really be

[median stirrup]

I love holes in the sink

[lyric zephyr]

They’re quite drippy

[silver vine]

we didnt get any explicit confirmation that it was mayak which causees the earthquakes

[lyric zephyr]

:)

[lyric zephyr]

I mean, what else could it have been

[silver vine]

but, the earthquakes were unnatural

[lyric zephyr]

The thing that’s known for making natural disasters happen

[silver vine]

thats for sure

[lyric zephyr]

Didn’t a sinkhole literally drag two construction workers into itself

[median stirrup]

Wdym it's the famous earthquakes of Missouri

[silver vine]

like, a worker asked, "what if Petersons not gone?" and then the earth opens up and swallows him

literally

its mentioned that hot gas came out of the hole and dragged him in

[median stirrup]

The guest just casually opened a hole

[lyric zephyr]

Reset Day feels like it was a book that was written as it’s own thing then forcibly turned into HN

[tribal talon]

Confirms that Mr Peterson is in fact not gone

[median stirrup]

We literally know he's not

[silver vine]

naw

[lyric zephyr]

Like time loops, magic gaseous earth quakes, magic ring gems to retain your memories between loops

[silver vine]

there are like

1000 easter eggs to books 1-6

[silver vine]

in between these

[lyric zephyr]

From what I’ve seen, the whole plot basically isn’t HN, but is instead like HN themed

[silver vine]

which confirms that RD does take place in the same universe

[silver vine]

its kinda HN2 themed

Guest stalks Piper everytime she comes out of the hosue

except school

[lyric zephyr]

Old HN2.
With the town in disrepair right?

The town being a giant mess

[silver vine]

he sends creepy messages to Piper when in school

[silver vine]

no

its not a mess

[lyric zephyr]

Okay that’s just,
Weird.

[silver vine]

its a fully functional town

there are brand new buildings and brands in the town

[lyric zephyr]

Oh neat

[tribal talon]

Time loops? Magic gaseous earth quakes? Magic ring gems to retain your memories between loops? What has the Hello Neighbor lore become

[lyric zephyr]

The funny

[silver vine]

even mayak has been rebranded

"Raven Brooks station of weather and meteorolgy" was written on a sign board

[lyric zephyr]

But just based on what little I know, Reset Day from knowing a very basic plot synopsis feels kind of like one of those books you’d see at a book fair from the 2000s, a little girl having to save her family from an almost apocalyptic magical dystopia

[tribal talon]

So that's why the wiki page name is like that

[silver vine]

yes

[lyric zephyr]

Wait are we sure that’s a rebrand? That could just be what it’s actually named

Like we know Mayak ain’t an official name

[silver vine]

yes

[silver vine]

it was written on a sign board

which means its functional

[lyric zephyr]

Weird

You’d think the Forest Protector cult if they’re still around wouldn’t want the weather station to be in use, considering it’s origins w the Peterson family

[silver vine]

if it was abandoned and non functional, it would not have been written on a sign between lots of newer locations

[silver vine]

yes, they are around

[lyric zephyr]

That’s fair

[silver vine]

ppl with black cloaks started asking personel questions to Piper's mom

Piper liked to imagine that those ppl had feathers on their cloaks

[lyric zephyr]

Wait, I just realized we’re having a civil discussion of lore
Quick someone start getting angry

[silver vine]

which implies that they are indeed the FPs

[median stirrup]

yourte wrong!JHTYGfv

[tribal talon]

Your're'are*

[lyric zephyr]

*yrou’re

[tribal talon]

Wdym

[lyric zephyr]

Just how things usually go around here

[lyric zephyr]

Weird that they’re apparently still around

[jovial mural]

hello neighbor alpha 1.5 isn't can on😡😡

[lyric zephyr]

True!

Let’s argue about it!

[icy hamlet]

Yes! great idea!

[ripe berry]

*Ur're

[ripe berry]

Hello Neighbor Hidden Nad Seeker isn't cannon anny mroe

:Angery:

[strange lance]

Guest literally drowns him, are you saying guest brought him back to life or something?

[tribal talon]

🤬

[strange lance]

Also true, but HE is the first time we see them actually marking tally marks and drawing really strange drawings and being used for more than robot workers, Ted's clearly experimenting with them and I think he made the mannequins go crazy lol

[wicked heath]

then explain this

[median stirrup]

he didn't entirely drown him
just made sure to make it easy to posses him

[strange lance]

He made his pass out so he had enough time to possess him

[strange lance]

I love how his face does not match what he's saying at all

He's like "Huh?"

[lyric zephyr]

Ted’s almost certainly being possessed, and it’s also physically changed him (he was underwater the entire time between the Guest strangling him and then Pris swimming to turn off the power, at the very least 5 minutes without oxygen)

So the Guest and thus Ted do not need to breathe!

And also the shapeshifting done between the underwater scene with Pris and then him rising from the water

[hazy slate]

@silver vine @ripe berry I got a challenge for you guys, Try to make a house layout based on the hide and seek stages

starting with stage 1

(Pretty sure this would go in the lore channel)

[median stirrup]

what

wdym house layout

and how does this go with lore

[hazy slate]

it would be the lore of where they went around the house

lol

[median stirrup]

I mean they pretty much just ran around the entire house constantly

[hazy slate]

Yeah, But I'm curious to know what rooms exactly certain parts of the map are

[lyric zephyr]

I’d have to guess Safari (Set 1) was either their room or the kitchen (focus on water, there being a radiator and chairs)

[hazy slate]

cops and robbers is probably the upstairs and maybe downstairs hall

[median stirrup]

the problem is that in each stage different cutscenes take place in different rooms of the house

[hazy slate]

considering we know exactly where the bedroom is

[median stirrup]

meaning that pretty much all of them take place all around the house

[hazy slate]

That's true.

[hazy slate]

Stage 3 was probably near the kitchen

[hazy slate]

maybe in all the stages they go to the hallway and living room

[lyric zephyr]

We know the living room is where the Safari basket was

Tbh there probably aren’t any real specific rooms

[hazy slate]

Yeah.

I do believe we could make somewhat of a layout though

wonder exactly where stage 5 is

[median stirrup]

they uh
go through the corridor, go out the house, climb the ladder I guess

how else would they end up on the roof

[hazy slate]

hole in the roof

[median stirrup]

I doubt they'd be able to somehow climb up there

[hazy slate]

and they go upstairs when mya goes into the twisted version of the house

rather then through the big red door

[hazy slate]

I think they go through some kind of attic

[median stirrup]

there's no attic in the house

[hazy slate]

Not really confirmed though

[median stirrup]

there was never one in HN1/HS/SN only in one HN2 alpha

also you don't have to reply to every message you know

[hazy slate]

SN has an attic

HS is too much imagination to get a good look at the house

[hazy slate]

though it's only one room

the door implies it has more rooms though

[tribal talon]

Ghost Neighbor looks like the neighbor t

[median stirrup]

[hazy slate]

You have to access it with ghost in a certain spot in Aaron and Mya's room

[median stirrup]

I was replying to the guy saying "ghost neighbor looks like the neighbor t"

[hazy slate]

oh

[median stirrup]

this was added for the trophy or something right?

[hazy slate]

yeah

but it could be for something else soon since the boards are gone

[silver vine]

and, you're saying that they would kill off the main star of the series...in a book?

[silver vine]

Ive actually tried this, but gave up instantly

[strange lance]

You're a bit late lol, me and others discussed this earlier and I changed my mind

[silver vine]

hmmmm

[strange lance]

I think Ted just passing out and then being possessed is more likely

Him dying did seem odd

[silver vine]

wait

why are there only 2 cops in every HN media

[strange lance]

Because

Partners are cool

[vernal kraken]

easier to organise for creators tbh

[jovial mural]

they're so cool they don't need any more cops

[silver vine]

Books 1-3: Officer Keith and Officer Kornwell
Books 4-6: Officer Keith and Officer Dale
Book 7: Officer Eve and Officer Darryl
AS pilot: 2 random cops
HN2: Officer Keith and Officer Leslie

[ripe berry]

Alright, it may take a few hours, My internet just came back, but I will

(Can't believe I'm going all the way through HN:HS again to do this)

[ripe berry]

RBC, I just got done with Stage 1, Stage 2-4 are going to be harder then this one was

[tribal talon]

I live in Mr. Peteedon's walls

[ripe berry]

😳

Welp My Xbox just overheated so it'll be quite a bit

RBC, I'll at least try to make a map of Stages 2-5 using objects visible and where those are in Mr.Peterson's house, the Hint cutscenes, and the Stage complete cutscenes

I'll post it tomorrow

[ripe berry]

for now you have this Stage 1 map

[ripe berry]

Why not?

[strange lance]

Nielsen and Leslie are a movie reference soo it makes sense for them to be a duo

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

[hazy slate]

this looks good

[ripe berry]

The map of the house itself is a bit bad but that's because I threw it together in like, a minute

[hazy slate]

yeah

[ripe berry]

I'd say the easiest stages to map have to be Stages 1 and 5, followed by Stage 4, then 3, then 2

2 and 3 could honestly go in either order

[hazy slate]

Meat store is probably the kitchen

or a pantry

[ripe berry]

Yeah

In Stage 4 that room with the guy watching TV is obviously the living room

[hazy slate]

Yeah

Wonder if that's the only time we interact with Mr. Peterson while in the realm of imagination

[ripe berry]

Stage 1 maybe because it's mostly on the first floor

and you kinda have to pass him to get to the Living Room and Kitchen (atleast in HN1/HN:HS layout)

[hazy slate]

Yeah

but like

directly interact with em

Probably an attempt from Mya to cheer him up

[ripe berry]

Stages 2-3 obviously can't have a interaction with him

Using the HS trailer where it goes through Ted's recent life up until the ending of HS the Neighbor is in the Kitchen during the events of Stage 5

Meaning that's another no

Stage 1 is the only time you could interact with him in the imaginary world other then Stage 4

[hazy slate]

Stage 1 wouldn't probably be considered direct unlike stage 4

more like "Hi dad, I'm on a safari, I picked up a lion but apparently only a tiger can attack me! okay bye!"

[ripe berry]

so we only directly interact with him in Stage 4

[hazy slate]

yeah

the cardboard dude in the chair is 100% meant to be him

[ripe berry]

or at least a representation of him

[hazy slate]

Yeah.

Mya probably went over there to try and cheer him up a little bit

[ripe berry]

We also know through the Hint scene for Stage 4 Mya HAS to pass through the Living Room because the hint scene shows her entering the Kitchen only for Aaron to knock her down to point out a hint set up using (I think) Diane's Chair

Meaning that this can't be in Ted's Bedroom

[hazy slate]

Yeah.

[ripe berry]

Even if Aaron doesn't canonically give hints to Mya (which is a debate that I don't know if this server has done yet or not), it doesn't mean that they can't be used to help figure stuff out

[hazy slate]

Maybe he does in stage 3

[ripe berry]

True

The hints can really help in figuring out Mya's range of search for these toys/money bags/whatever Stages 3 and 4 use

[hazy slate]

Yeah.

[ripe berry]

(also just because I called the Stage 2 items Money Bags doesn't mean they have money in them)

[hazy slate]

why is the money bags money bags in the hint cutscene

and not random sacks probably full of rocks

[median stirrup]

why not

[ripe berry]

The Hint Cutscenes need to show the actual item you're putting in and not a item the crudely represents the item you put in the laundry basket

[median stirrup]

not really

because literally all other hint cutscenes just give you an arrow

they probably just overlooked it since it's the same mesh with a different material

• they already showed the bags not being actual money bags in the other cutscene

[ripe berry]

Stage 1 Hint Cutscene:

[median stirrup]

ok but a zebra toy or whatever can just be their actual toy

the "money bags" are always shown as random cloth things in the real world other than the hint cutscene

[vernal kraken]

I need to replay hide and seek because I somehow missed the direct correlation between physical things in their house and the imagination, I knew it was symbolic but that's really interesting

[ripe berry]

Yep, everything in the Imaginary world is taken from the real world

Me on my way to take a random Background house from HN1 that has a little more items around it then others and make it into MitH's house:

(This is in reference to a theory I had back in 2021)

(I never shared it)

[crude dew]

Smith's car actually never was entirely black, that's the funny part
it's very dark blue in SN and it has a texture in HG
but it's dark shade of blue/green

the funny part is, HG Quentin did live in RB I'm sure
HN2 Quentin doesn't
I'm also pretty sure Smith isn't a RB resident either. one day, he just arrived

I'm sharing a lot of funny stuff today

heh, imagine arriving at a town to ruin people's lives with your articles and "truth"

[silver vine]

but others do not

[silver vine]

what if he was the turkey

[silver vine]

HN2 Quentin also lives in Raven Brooks

he just moved in to the town at the beginning of HN2

[median stirrup]

just because he stays at his workplace doesn't mean he actually moved there

I mean he didn't get a house or an apartment or anything he literally just stays at his office where for some reason there's a bed

[silver vine]

he is still a citizen of the town

[median stirrup]

I wouldn't call him that

he's probably just passing by, and leaving once he's done with the case

unless for whatever reason he would want to stay there which I doubt

[silver vine]

doubt it

hes working for the "Raven Brooks" Banner

which is native to the town

I doubt the banner is gonna fire him him once hes done with the case

and I doubt neither Quentin would leave

he didnt get the job for nothing

I doubt he got the job for only one case

he clearly wants to live in Raven Brooks

otherwise why would he apply a job for the Raven Brooks Banner

[median stirrup]

debatable if he absolutely wants to live there

I mean surely he's heard stories about Raven Brooks and crazy things going on there and maybe though that he would want to investigate

[silver vine]

theres no literal way hes heard stories about Raven Brooks

[median stirrup]

if he knows about the place and "wants to live there" as you said then surely he would

[silver vine]

literally noone knows anything about Raven Brooks other than the ppl who live there

[silver vine]

he could've thought that it'd be a quiet and peaceful town

since it is a town which noone knows about

[median stirrup]

so he thought he's going to a peaceful town and as soon as he gets there he starts going around people's houses and stuff?

[silver vine]

just look at the first place he goes to

the neighbor's house

the crime scene

[median stirrup]

yeah, a crime scene, which he's not allowed on, and he doesn't even ask about anything he just decides to break in

[silver vine]

he goes there cuz he wants to know who the guy is

all he knows about Peterson is that hes associated with the disappearance of 3 kids and hes now missing

the Banner could've told more stuff about him

[silver vine]

then see where hes going next

he discovers that the neighbor is living in the museum

and he gets there

then he finds out that he needs a key, which the mayor has

so he goes to the mayor's house to get the key

[median stirrup]

you really don't need to tell me the entire beta

[silver vine]

thats where he gets the suspicion

[silver vine]

Im not

lemme finish

[silver vine]

thats where he finds out that its not only Mr.Peterson who is suspicious

but everyone in the town are

there is literally no way he knew anything about whats going on in Raven Brooks before he applied for the job

if he knew anything about the oddities of the town before contacting the banner, then, that would contradict the lore which was established in the books

especially what was established in a book which says that it ties directly to HN2

[hazy slate]

asides from the nutcases on this discord server, of course.

[hazy slate]

Quentin is on the fast track of getting arrested quick

he didn't even put on any gloves

to hide his fingerprints

[silver vine]

literally AARON

AARON, son of the town's wingnut

did NOT know that a town called Raven Brooks existed

until he actually moved into the town

[hazy slate]

Probably because Ted didn't talk about it

[median stirrup]

I mean why would he know

it's not like anything happened there at that time for him to know about it

[hazy slate]

Yeah.

[silver vine]

then answer this

in 2022, after Marcia died, then Piper's father died, Piper's mother got a letter from Marcia's lawyer that they inherited the shop and the apartment

in a small and quiet town called "Raven Brooks"

Piper's mother wanted to do some research about the town before they movein

but literally no website has any information on Raven Brooks

so, they thought that they were moving into a quiet and peaceful town of Raven Brooks, unknowingly what horror awaits them

[median stirrup]

that makes zero sense especially considering apparently that town is big enough to have newspapers about the local events and Quentin investigating the town, which would presumably lead to lots of posts about the town being made, if he did succeed.

[silver vine]

sighs

you really should read book 7

[median stirrup]

I don't care about "book 7"

[silver vine]

that would answer this query of yours

[silver vine]

reset day then

[median stirrup]

how exactly

[silver vine]

Raven Brooks is like its own world

its completely disconnected from the outside world

they have their own network

[median stirrup]

that also makes no sense

[silver vine]

they have their own phones

phones from outside world dont work in Raven Brooks

neither do the apps which are in the outside world

Raven Brooks only has rip off apps

SeeMe, which is an equivalent of youtube

TikCaw, which is an equivalent of Tiktok

Facebrooks, which is an equivalent of facebook

[median stirrup]

ok, so is there any explanation why

or is it just because funny

[silver vine]

I mean

Raven Brooks is a little shy

[wicked heath]

timeloop moment+Earthquakes

[silver vine]

thats all the explanation we get

[median stirrup]

so no there is no explanation

[wicked heath]

yes

[silver vine]

nothing comes in or goes out of Raven Brooks

its like a pocket dimension

a dystopian realm

[wicked heath]

Marcia even refers to it as "Raven Brooks World" iirc

[silver vine]

yes

[median stirrup]

I love nonsensical plot just because it can be

[silver vine]

Real word: so and so date
Raven Brooks world: November

[wicked heath]

from what I understood, they've been trapped in timeloops for a few months, considering Marcia made a recording in March (assumingly the same year as November) and Pipers mother says she died months ago

[silver vine]

its not nosensical

[median stirrup]

in what way does it make sense then

if there isn't even a proper explanation for it

[silver vine]

it doesnt make sense

[median stirrup]

then it's nonsensical as I did just say

[silver vine]

no

[median stirrup]

nonsensical literally means that it makes no sense

[silver vine]

well

[silver vine]

I gave you the answer for this

Raven Brooks has its own network, which is completely disconnected from the outside world

[wicked heath]

yes

[silver vine]

yes = no

[median stirrup]

yes you did

[silver vine]

yes

I did

[median stirrup]

but

[silver vine]

lol

using my own spells against me

https://tenor.com/view/severus-snape-harry-potter-spells-against-me-sectumsempra-dark-gif-17593530

[jovial mural]

wait is this real lmao

hello neighbor be wild

[silver vine]

yes

I forgor to mention Seeker

which is twitter

in Raven Brooks

[median stirrup]

it's all in the books

literally the most crazy events happen in the books and in the games barely anything

[silver vine]

HN2 will have crazy events

all the books have been leading up to HN2

[jovial mural]

I've been wanting to get into the books. they sound radical and whacky

[wicked heath]

book 7 my least favorite by far

things get really weird tho starting with book 6

the previous 5 makes more sense

[silver vine]

book 7 is my most favorite

it actually has really dark elements to it

anyway

coming to the main subject of the day

[wicked heath]

...

[silver vine]

there is no possible way Quentin could've ever known anything about Raven Brooks, other than it being a "quiet" town, before applying his job at the banner

[silver vine]

what

everyone has their own opinions

it may have some wacky stuff, but the way they're narrated and story telling matters a lot

[tribal talon]

Is there an equivalent of Twitter?

[silver vine]

#lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

if the story telling is really good, which it is, then, it is a good book

[tribal talon]

The books

From what I heard recently in this server

Sound like uhhh

Sound like nonsense

[silver vine]

well

every single book after the second one(the worst imo) has been like that

[silver vine]

form 50 y/o man building an amusement park in his basement, to devices which can change the tides of luck, and finally the town being stuck in an absurd timeloop

what could go wrong

the franchise has always been like that

[tribal talon]

Well

I hope HN2 actually makes sense

The story

[wicked heath]

i mean aside from the guest, things are alright for now

[median stirrup]

for now

...

[silver vine]

for now

[median stirrup]

but I'm scared

[silver vine]

guest itself is implied to be some demon being

I wonder how they're gonna explain him in HN2

plus book 7 is stated to be directly tying into HN2, the time loops might be around the corner as well

[median stirrup]

please no

[silver vine]

please yes

book 7 left on a massive cliffhanger

[median stirrup]

I don't want HN2 to be like hello engineer

[silver vine]

it wouldnt

[hazy slate]

books 4 to 6 is my favorites

[silver vine]

they're good too

[hazy slate]

hello engineer 2

[silver vine]

no

[hazy slate]

we need books 8 and 9

[silver vine]

no

we

dont

need

any

more

books

[hazy slate]

we do

[silver vine]

no

[hazy slate]

Piper's book was left on too big of a cliff hanger

[silver vine]

books is not the way forward anymore

[hazy slate]

I don't care if it "ties into HN2"

her story should be finished

[median stirrup]

they can't just put everything from the books into HN2 and "finish the story" this way

[hazy slate]

Piper literally has her mother go missing

and too much other things going on

[silver vine]

Enzo is also missing

[hazy slate]

for them to not make any other books

[silver vine]

they could just address in HN2 why guest kidnapped certain ppl

[median stirrup]

I mean it's literally impossible that they explain anything from the books properly in HN2

[silver vine]

I agree

not everything is going to be explained

Im 100% certain of that

[hazy slate]

I think you are just sick of reading the books over and over

[silver vine]

no

my mom is just sick of buying me book over and over

[median stirrup]

that'd just be lame

the games and books have their own way of story telling and in a way the stories between the books and games feel different enough that you could consider them not canon to each other and using a game to explain unanswered questions from books is just not the way

[silver vine]

the books are canon to the games

that has been confirmed several times

[median stirrup]

tell that to the amusement park and neighbor's house

[hazy slate]

plus book 7 was left on a GIGANTIC cliffhanger

[silver vine]

mayak will explain

[median stirrup]

which a game that focuses on missing kids from HN1 will definitely not be able to explain

[silver vine]

you dont know

it could be very cryptic

[hazy slate]

dude

[silver vine]

like HN1

[hazy slate]

each character has three books

Piper needs two more

[silver vine]

she doesnt

[tribal talon]

Who said that

[silver vine]

Nikita

[tribal talon]

When and where

[hazy slate]

she does though

Book 7 was left on too big of a cliffhanger

[strange lance]

Ahh mayak, the building we have not properly interacted with since SN. Watch it appear lile twice in HN2

[hazy slate]

HN2 is not going to explain what happened to Piper

[silver vine]

I can already figure out what could've happened

[silver vine]

I agree

it wouldnt explain what happened to Piper

but it would explain on what the guest did

[hazy slate]

Then why are you continuing to argue?

[hazy slate]

we need book 8

[median stirrup]

years ago somewhere

back when hello guest was relevant

[strange lance]

Piper didn't deserve her mother so the guest took her 😔

[tribal talon]

It isn't anymore

[silver vine]

Amazon says that the book series is complete

so

we aint getting book 8

[hazy slate]

that isn't a 100% confirmation though

[tribal talon]

Yeah but we are getting book 10

And 400

[strange lance]

Neighbor's notebook ultimate (accurate) edition

When

[silver vine]

amazon did not show that when buried secrets nor puzzle master released

but amazon showed that the book series is complete only after book 7 released

so

[hazy slate]

why does it just have to be amazon though?

did you know other book sites exist?

[jovial mural]

amazon invented hello neighbor so it's true

[tribal talon]

Hello Neighbor books need to stop releasing before it's too late

[hazy slate]

did they SAY that?

[silver vine]

but they dont show

[hazy slate]

Then it isn't confirmed

[tribal talon]

.

[silver vine]

Idc if you agree or not

I just dont wanna get banned

[median stirrup]

"planned"
well they planned like 5 HN games and the franchise is still going

[silver vine]

they planned 6

and 6 games are complete

[median stirrup]

and now tinybuild bought out the studio so you can be sure they're probably planning more

[hazy slate]

we need to finish Piper's story though

[silver vine]

why

shes not even that important

sure

[strange lance]

6 HN games?

[silver vine]

yes

they planned 6

[hazy slate]

ah yes, a book protag is not an important character.

Nicky is not important to the lore guys!!!111!

Same with Aaron!!1111!

[strange lance]

I honestly don't want anymore HN games

[silver vine]

no

[silver vine]

they both have appeared in the games

[silver vine]

same

I just want the lore to expand with HN2 DLCS, or AS

books is not the only way forward

[median stirrup]

they had a contract for 6 but it's not relevant anymore because tinyBuild owns the franchise and the studio that made the game in the first place now

[tribal talon]

Imagine if there is a HN game that takes place in the same universe as the other HN games but isn't focused on the neighbor or raven brooks

[silver vine]

empathy

[tribal talon]

Tf is that

[median stirrup]

a "game"

[silver vine]

a game

[hazy slate]

Piper doesn't appear in the games because she is in a time period that the games haven't really explored yet.

[silver vine]

which, HN2 will prob explore

[median stirrup]

which will most likely never see the day of release

[tribal talon]

Noooo

[silver vine]

it may

EGS may work on empathy after HN2

[median stirrup]

we've heard nothing about it and Nikita is working on his own personal projects

[tribal talon]

Nikita

Nicky

Hmmmm

[median stirrup]

yes Nicky is a reference to Nikita

[hazy slate]

It might, But her books still need to be complete, Even if it's one more book.

There is probably some HN fans who only read the books and don't play the games

[median stirrup]

and vice versa

[hazy slate]

it wouldn't be nice for them to be left on a cliffhanger and the book series never be touched again

[median stirrup]

they can't just put book lore into games and expect everyone to understand

or even see it

[tribal talon]

What about the HN fans who only play the games and don't read the books

[hazy slate]

there isn't any big cliffhangers in the game right now

[median stirrup]

yeah but if they were to put book lore into HN2 people who didn't read the books would just be confused

[silver vine]

why cant that one book be converted to a HN2 DLC

[median stirrup]

but why

[silver vine]

I was one of them when the first trilogy released

[median stirrup]

also it happens in the future while (most of it at least) HN2 happens in 90s

[silver vine]

I iddnt have a PC back then

but I was a HN fan

[tribal talon]

iddnt

[silver vine]

I bought every HN book on the day of its release

[silver vine]

no

they wouldnt

[median stirrup]

wdym no

it literally wouldn't make sense to add like 3 extra scenes into the game that would randomly explain things about characters that people who didn't read the books don't know

[silver vine]

if the story telling was good, they shouldnt have a problem with understanding

[silver vine]

not like that

[median stirrup]

so they just tell the entire story of the book beforehand so people can understand?

[hazy slate]

because it wouldn't work that way

[silver vine]

no

[median stirrup]

so how do you expect it to work then

it just wouldn't

[hazy slate]

anyway, I'm gonna go finish my daily quests on SN before I have to go, I'll argue later.

[median stirrup]

idk I'm bored of this anyway

[hazy slate]

you'd have to read reset day to know who piper is though

[silver vine]

Nikita said that you dont have to play HN1 to understand the story of HN2

[median stirrup]

because it's simple and literally the intro cutscene explains pretty much everything you need to know

[hazy slate]

book 8 or 9 should wrap up loose ends for Piper,

[median stirrup]

you have kids missing and you need to find out why and you know this mustache guy is behind it

[silver vine]

it goes beyond that

[median stirrup]

not to the point where HN1 tells you anything important about the story

[silver vine]

see

just hear me out

[median stirrup]

hell, even the commentary of the trailers, and the game's description can tell you the story alone

[silver vine]

Alexus said that you can either focus on the main case(neighbor case) or drop the main case and concentrate on the secrets of the citizens, which are clues to a bigger mystery in the town

[median stirrup]

yeah, and why would anyone in HN2 have anything to do with a book that happens decades later

[silver vine]

see, this is my theory
sometime after RD, guest looped time way back to 90s

at the time of act 2

it was at that time when Quentin applied his job and came to the town

his moving into the town in the beta was exactly how Piper moved into the town

what Im thinking is that Quentin gets stuck in a forever time loop

[hazy slate]

(Which also kinda further proves my argument yesterday that there will be more then 2 new characters, @median stirrup )

[silver vine]

guest catches you, intro plays, after completing main case, guest catches you, intro plays, game end

[hazy slate]

Piper went under the brick wall

[silver vine]

before that

[silver vine]

in RD, Marcia, is her audiolog, said that all the gems are pieces to something bigger, and putting them together would break the loop

[silver vine]

which lines up with what Alexus said right here

the secrets which the citizens could be hiding, along with their personel secrets, are these gems

Quentin has collect these gems to break the loop

[median stirrup]

that's-

ok I'm not even going to say anything

[silver vine]

you hate my theory

dont worry

everyone does

literally noone in the fandom wants to connect the books to the games

its a darn shame

nobody likes the fact that they retconned Nielsen to Keith

nobody likes HND

I am the only person in the fandom who likes to connect the books with the games and likes the fact the devs are retconning things in the games to match the books

[lyric zephyr]

No, just some of the fandom doesn’t want to connect Reset Day to the games bc it’s confusing

That’s the primary book of contention

Personally not a fan of the Aaron trilogy but eh

[silver vine]

even book 6 is confusing

but ppl dont care about that cuz its not said to be directly tying into HN2

[hazy slate]

I like diaries

[silver vine]

majority doesnt

[hazy slate]

haven't played it though

[lyric zephyr]

I haven’t played it to know so no opinion on Diaries
Other than just the weird artwork

[silver vine]

look, Im not talking about only RD

[silver vine]

Im talking about things like these too

the majority are very unhappy with that

[lyric zephyr]

Because Nielsen was just cooler tbh

[silver vine]

no

[lyric zephyr]

Cooler name

[median stirrup]

diaries would be ok if it wasn't so broken and mobile exclusive

[lyric zephyr]

Legit not every Character SHOULD be a book character

[silver vine]

a cop which we already know and love, is better than some brand new cop

[silver vine]

yes

I agree on that

[median stirrup]

who tf loves Keith

[silver vine]

but, atleast some characters should be from the books

[median stirrup]

well you have

Theodore Peterson :trolled:

[lyric zephyr]

I’m fine with there being book characters, but that doesn’t mean they should change a pre-existing character into an existing book character out of nowhere tbh

[silver vine]

what Im telling is that, a character who we already know, is better than a brand new character

[median stirrup]

yeah

[silver vine]

why

[median stirrup]

not in a case where they forcefully change a character to be a book character

besides I didn't read the books and didn't know Keith at all and I prefer Nielsen because it sounds more charming because we've know him as Nielsen for a long time

[lyric zephyr]

Because, people come to like the idea of the original character, what mysteries and personality they may have
Then that’s just all thrown out bc their character is explored and is a somewhat disliked one from the books

It’s like taking the Farmer and just him being revealed as St. Nick, he had no previous connection other than owning a farm

[silver vine]

I hope

[median stirrup]

I mean they legit made Nielsen into Keith because they're both cops and are somewhat similar

[silver vine]

his name is Nicholas Wilbanks

[silver vine]

they want to tie the books to the games

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah but legit everyone calls him St Nick

Bc calling him Nicholas otherwise sounds more like talking abt Nicky

[silver vine]

which yall hate

[lyric zephyr]

But what we’re saying is they could always just make book characters into the game, and not change existing characters INTO book characters

[silver vine]

call him Wilbanks then

why not

[median stirrup]

then they should've wrote books where the story would connect well to the game story and add characters from said books to the game and not turn already existing characters into book characters because "HI THE BOOKS EXIST"

[lyric zephyr]

But St Nick is the more recognizable name, as soon as you say St Nick it’s associated with him and the llama farm

I mean legit the whole connection the community had with Nielsen mostly came from the whole story Ari and some of the story team wrote, where he and Leslie had risks dialogue and action

We connected w them as Nielsen and Leslie because we got to make their decisions

And now Nielsen is characterized as Keith, from my memory the cop nobody likes

[median stirrup]

I wish they would stop trying making the books and games connected just because they can. tbh the stories feel completely different even though they're meant to be the same and there are always inconsistencies that they're trying to fix by retcons instead of just making the books a separate universe

they legit write one thing and then 2 months later it's already irrelevant

and they keep going around like that

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh I’d love to see book characters in HN2, Maritza Enzo and Trinity, St Nick (or as you keep insisting Mr. Wilbanks), Jay and Luanne Roth, Ms Tillman

But I wouldn’t love it if they overwrite what could be new characters, or just completely take their place and design

[median stirrup]

I'd love books and games to be one story but it just doesn't make any sense at this point because they're so different and they have to resort to retcons all the time

[loud tartan]

Where is Mr.Quinn 😡 🤬

[median stirrup]

Quentin? How about Ike Gershowitz and Norman Darby

[loud tartan]

Uhmm, you forgot Mya

[median stirrup]

The neighbor being a loving and caring father who only got mental issues after losing his family? nah let's scrap that and make him a maniac who killed multiple people with his crazy rollercoasters and abused his family

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh the 1 character that would be okayish to have him be a book character would be MITH as Cleave, because we have no characterization for him. I’d prefer him to be a new character but meh they’re both antagonistic

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh I like the first 3 books in comparison to that to be fair, gives more of a whole mystery and dark vibe but I also see why people don’t like it

[median stirrup]

I mean again I wouldn't mind him being like this if they didn't first make him a good man to his family in hide and seek

if hide and seek didn't exist I wouldn't care

[silver vine]

2nd book was the worst

[lyric zephyr]

*3rd

In my opinion

[silver vine]

the ending compensated it

imo

[lyric zephyr]

The third legit just made every character a jerk to move the plot along

[silver vine]

atleast it had a fantastic ending

2nd book is just so boring to read for me

[lyric zephyr]

Surprise Nicky, your friend group hates you! You’re being framed for moving a almost 300 lbs mannequin up stairs and across town into a grocery store

[silver vine]

I do hope Farmer Wilbanks will be in HN2

[lyric zephyr]

Same, it’d be cool to have like on the opposite side of town from the Farmer for St Nick’s farm to be there, with llamas hopefully

[silver vine]

why cant farmer be Wilbanks

[median stirrup]

I'm cool with book characters but
don't turn the farmer into a book character

unless it's already meant to be him which I doubt looking at how he's some sus guy with a syringe putting some mutation potions into his vegetables

[silver vine]

it could be

retcon

[median stirrup]

💀

"we need a way to connect the books and games"

retcon!

is retcon literally going to be the answer to all plot holes in HN

that's just shitty

[silver vine]

Nikita was the writer when Leslie and Nielsen were created

[median stirrup]

and he's still
the writer
?

[silver vine]

he wanted them to be an easter egg to his fav actor

[silver vine]

Alex confirmed that there is a new group of writers for HN2

[median stirrup]

and now it's been ruined because books

[median stirrup]

where

[silver vine]

who also writes the AS

[median stirrup]

god

ew

no

[silver vine]

reddit post

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah the AS writers are now a main part of the story team

[median stirrup]

so that's why HN2 is going to fail!

[lyric zephyr]

Have fun with that info !

[silver vine]

no

[median stirrup]

yes

[silver vine]

thats why HN2 is going to succeed

[median stirrup]

the AS writers are some of the worst writers I have ever seen write anything

[silver vine]

these new writers are keen on connecting the books to the games

[median stirrup]

for no reason

with no sense

[lyric zephyr]

Because St Nick is the more recognizable name, half of the people in the fandom im willing to bet will recognize St Nick over Farmer Wilbanks

[silver vine]

pilot was written by author of the books

[median stirrup]

just making retcons all the time

[silver vine]

the actual AS is being written by a talented group of ppl

[median stirrup]

how do you know they're so talented

[silver vine]

who are also the writers for HN2

[silver vine]

Alex

said that

[median stirrup]

Alex can say whatever he wants

but it's not necessarily true just because he said that

[silver vine]

the new writers are keen on connecting the books with the games

which I appreciate

[median stirrup]

and I don't

[lyric zephyr]

But half the time we can’t even connect the books with the other books

[silver vine]

the farmer was prob created after the new writers were hired, so, I think that the farmer was always meant to be Wilbanks

[lyric zephyr]

H
How?
St Nick is an old man

The Farmer looks to be young and in his 30s

[median stirrup]

you don't get it retro

retcon

[strange lance]

Did any farmer in any HN book ever have a deal with giant veggies

[silver vine]

late reply, but, GN2 is also really confusing

so

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, I’ve pointed out how it’s confusing

[median stirrup]

retcon is now the answer to anything story related in HN2

[silver vine]

but you still connect it

[lyric zephyr]

Did you miss the whole conversation you were a part of or

[silver vine]

cuz, you read it

[median stirrup]

what

[silver vine]

but, since you didnt read RD, you dont want to connect it, I can understand you now

[median stirrup]

[lyric zephyr]

No, I don’t want to connect Reset Day because I don’t like the magic memory stone mcguffins

[strange lance]

Where was the observatory in the books?

[silver vine]

forest

[strange lance]

I love how it's now a attraction at the park

In HE

[silver vine]

I wonder if the observatory is gonna show up in HN2

[lyric zephyr]

The Observatory is not the same as the Mayak

Or am I getting confused by context of the messages

[silver vine]

I mean, even mayak was an attraction in HGP

[silver vine]

when did I say that it was?

[strange lance]

Not really?

I mean maybe, there were spotlights on it

[lyric zephyr]

You didn’t, I just know before people thought the observatory was

[silver vine]

the ride can literally crash into the wall

[silver vine]

which conceals mayak

imagine if the park was functional

[ripe berry]

where was this revealed

[tribal talon]

Link?

[ripe berry]

also Hello Chat

[silver vine]

just search Alex CEO

[median stirrup]

no
you give the link

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah I have to confirm what TinyCrow said here, Alex DID confirm the AS writers are now the HN2 writers

[silver vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/uayb6q/ceo_of_tinybuild_and_producer_of_the_original/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[median stirrup]

welp
knowing that I guess I'm not so interested in the HN2 story anymore!

[ripe berry]

did they say somewhere that Farmer is St. Nick/Farmer Wilbanks

[median stirrup]

no

[silver vine]

we havent even seen ep2

[lyric zephyr]

But so far from the script we have seen, apparently they might have iPhones

Because one of the characters pulls a pic up on their phone

[silver vine]

I think they're gonna have flipphones

[lyric zephyr]

It being the early to mid 1990s

[silver vine]

Trinity

[strange lance]

Why is Trinity the main character of the AS, just...why?

Like why her

[ripe berry]

I want to know where they said this

[median stirrup]

I mean looking at how they're absolutely pushing the idea of connecting the games and books at all cost I can already see that the story in HN2 will be absolutely amazing and will make sense to people who didn't read the books totally!

[median stirrup]

no one said this

[lyric zephyr]

Uhm, actktually, flip phones with cameras were not invented in the time HN takes place

[silver vine]

sadge

[median stirrup]

technology in HN is different