secret-neighbor

[boreal bay]

I'd have about the same ranking, but I would swap map 1 and 2, as well as map 4 and 5

so not really the same ranking at all ig

[worn lintel]

Map 4 is ok but it feels like the smallest map in the game

[boreal bay]

Map 4 and 5 have the opposite problem

map 4 is very tiny which leads to matches that are only 4-6 minutes long, where as map 5 is so large matches usually take 10-13 minutes

[muted shuttle]

hey tinybuild add map new is a map 6

[feral sorrel]

i hope the worst comes out for you

[full fable]

Hi guys when secret neighbor come in Android?

[dusty wedge]

Never

Unless you want a dead game that never updates, is super laggy, and crashes 24/7.

[rare lynx]

My problem with map 5 is also the layout.

Its very weird, like it's supposed to be an amusement park but the fareswheel is not even accessible, half of the map is just oddly positioned confession stands, and there aren't many theme park type things

Other than the clown house thingy

[spark ledge]

also, its so open, you are so exposed to Butcher, Ghost and Guest

[rare lynx]

That too

I don't see a way you could get around that though

Also the map does also have a carousel but its like tucked into a corner and doesn't make it seem relevant

And there is like part of a roller coaster but it makes no sense whatsoever

It's just randomly placed floating in the air

[olive escarp]

heres how i would rate them

1. map 1
2. map 3
3. map 2
4. map 4
5. map 5

[rare lynx]

Honestly I agree with your list better

Oops didn't turn off ping

[olive escarp]

nah its fine

[rare lynx]

Map 3 is kinda better than map 2

[olive escarp]

map 3 is so underrated imo

[rare lynx]

Fr

[olive escarp]

atleast we can all agree that map 5 sucks

[rare lynx]

Its spacious but also has a lot of indoors

Mhm

[olive escarp]

map 5 is too linear imo

[rare lynx]

Also map 3 actually has a puzzle

Like the series off levers in the one room

You have to find and switch all of them in order to lower the staircases to travel up

Other than that secret neighbor has no puzzles

[olive escarp]

map 2 also has some switches

[dusty wedge]

Events?

[rare lynx]

Other than evvents

[spark ledge]

I like how the pellet of the gun goes THROUGH the prop

amazing

the lack of puzzles is what makes this game so good

[rocky fiber]

IMO map 2 clears

[olive escarp]

i think it would be cool if certain doors are only unlockable by a specific class (neighbor can unlock every door to prevent kids camping) and you would have to do a puzzle to open them (for example you have to shoot eyeball paintings with scouts slingshot to open the door)

[olive escarp]

i think small puzzles would be cool

after all this is a hn game

[spark ledge]

HN games suffer from its own unique gameplay

puzzle that require you to analyse every details while having a dude constantly running after u doesnt match well, cus it just makes the neighbor annoying instead of an obstacle, wether he stupid or legit smarter than humans

Smth that granny doesnt suffer from, considering its mostly finding the right objects, same with SN

[olive escarp]

it should be simple puzzles like the switches and not something you have to spend 10 minutes on and end up watching a guide

[dusty wedge]

The events are supposed to be the puzzle element the game has (considering you solve them yourself). It's hard to integrate actual puzzles into a map and not that I'd care very much if they did, I feel like adding more random puzzles would be useless and take up too much space. SN is very different than HN. For one, it's online. So you have to view things how other people would too. I can see alot of people saying "too many puzzles, too hard" like how a majority of HN reviews are just that.

[ruby nova]

[glacial jungle]

no spam

[dusty wedge]

That's also probably why events are optional and not mandatory for each match you get in. It would be useless for gameplay and is just something you do for fun when you get bored of the normal game. Personally, I think making puzzles optional was a genius move.

[boreal bay]

yea, could probably use some more actual attractions

[dusty wedge]

This isn't a bad idea, and like Afro mentioned, we see something similar in Map 3 in the room with the 3 switches. If you're new, it could take a minute to find all 3 of them making it a small puzzle. But if you consider that a puzzle, you must also consider all the room skips and key card skips added into each map (some intentional, some unintentional) which is a big puzzle in itself. It could take hours to find them all. That's part of what makes the game stand out among the HN franchise. It's also important to mention how SN isn't supposed to be a puzzle game necessarily (it relies more on strategy) yet they still manage to incorporate some puzzles in perfectly to make it like HN.

[ruby nova]

[rare lynx]

Thats because the puzzles weren't executed right, small puzzles would be amazing

It would also slow the game down a little more

Because it is pretty easy to speedrun the game atm

Ok I made a simple puzzles concept

Just push the buttons in the correct order to open the gate

And once its opened it can't be shut so you don't need to open it everytime if someone undid the puzzle

Like the puzzle can't be sabotaged by another player, that wouldn't be fair or fun

So this puzzle is simple and would work I think

[dusty wedge]

But it's pointless

[rare lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-pointless-cat-slide-futile-futility-gif-24881041

[dusty wedge]

How do you know the order

[rare lynx]

Wdym?

[dusty wedge]

What if the neighbor is right behind you

[rare lynx]

Bro its literally 3 buttons

[rare lynx]

Like what if you found a key? But the neighbor is right behind you. What if you are searching drawers? The neighbor is right behind you. What if you go to the basement? He is behind you

Like saying that doesn't work

The neighbor could be behind you any time

[dusty wedge]

Then what's the point of having the puzzle?

[rare lynx]

To make it more interesting

Make the gameplay less repetitive

Honestly the puzzle i showed is a little easy, but maybe tge code is somewhere else not to far away in a different room and easy to find and then use it

[dusty wedge]

If it's so easy to do, like you say, what's the point of having it at all?

[rare lynx]

No it wouldn't be super easy

[rare lynx]

But not hard enough that its pain and not too easy that its pointless and not able to be sabotaged by others. That would make a perfect puzzle

[dusty wedge]

If it isn't easy, it's hard. When the neighbor is behind you, and you're forced to do a combination puzzle, that's stupid. It does absolutely nothing except stress you. There's a reason something like that wasn't added.

[rare lynx]

Ok, I see your point

How about this

Just please add some new machanic other than finding keys in drawers

The gameplay really is kinda repetitive

That's why I think puzzles would solve that

[dusty wedge]

I can see them adding new tools maybe, but that's about it.

[rare lynx]

I think we need a use for tools rather than new ones

Like a crowbar use

[agile tartan]

👀

nah we good

[dusty wedge]

I don't disagree with having puzzles in SN. But I think they should just add more Treasures and more events. Maybe put small **optional **puzzles around the house to get a quick Treasure.

[rare lynx]

I can agree with that

[dusty wedge]

They obviously plan on adding a bunch of Treasures based on the amount of space we have on the shelves.

[rare lynx]

True

I think some treasures should be easier to obtain

But only a few

[dusty wedge]

yes like the lucy items

[ruby nova]

Привет

[rare lynx]

Otherwise it isn't very rewarding

[ruby nova]

Lox

Loxi

😃😃😃😃😃😃

[rare lynx]

Sorry I can't read that but we have a #russian-chat

[dusty wedge]

Yes, and as more maps come out, there will be more space for both Events and Treasures.

Map 2 has no Event yet so we're waiting on that.

[rare lynx]

Yeah

Hopefully its something with the guest

"Return Of The Guest"

[dusty wedge]

Yes

[rare lynx]

I think it would be cool if they added a treasure for each of the ten achievements

Or one treasure for unlocking them all

[dusty wedge]

That's interesting.

[rare lynx]

I'm 1 achievement short rn

"Totally Secret Neighbor" is hard

I also haven't attempted it that much too

[dusty wedge]

I did it a long time ago, I don't remember how, it just happened I guess.

[rare lynx]

Yeah

[dusty wedge]

It sounds easy

[rare lynx]

I mean

Maybe

[dusty wedge]

just stall the kids until time runs out

[rare lynx]

Unless you play with sweats or moderately good players

[rare lynx]

Hoard keys as bagger is probably the way to do it

[dusty wedge]

Well yes but there's always a chance you'll get new players.

[dusty wedge]

That could work.

[rare lynx]

I've been getting new players a lot recently

[dusty wedge]

Now's your chance

[rare lynx]

I have a few friends who also recently got the game, we played but only one of them is actually already good and figured out the mechanics already (I mean he's a dark souls player what you expect) the rest kinda nooby

[dusty wedge]

or camp the basement, with rifle, chairs, glue, items, everything.

[rare lynx]

Ik!

Ok

Just build snowman army

Infront of basement door

[dusty wedge]

Sure

[rare lynx]

Snowman attack

[dusty wedge]

The cheev is definitely harder in steam, since it's a lower playerbase = more dedicated players.

[rare lynx]

Also is it just me or do all new players just love inventor. Literally all 4 of my friends who got the game recently all chose inventor and wouldn't deselect it

[dusty wedge]

Almost everyone I know mains brave.

[rare lynx]

I mean he is balanced and has good mechanics

And my friends think he looks tge coolest

[rare lynx]

Lol

[dusty wedge]

Brave is so bad

[rare lynx]

Fr

She needs buff

She's probably the most controversial class cuz she always needs buffing or nerfing

[dusty wedge]

Brave has good abilities but is just overrated

[rare lynx]

Trur

[dusty wedge]

There are better classes

[rare lynx]

Overrated and underpowered

[dusty wedge]

Leader = mega underrated

Especially since she actually blinds you now

[rare lynx]

Underrated and overpowered sometimes

[dusty wedge]

Yes

[rare lynx]

Double leaders is tge worst too

[dusty wedge]

double bagger too

[rare lynx]

Honestly any double class is actually so bad

Double inventor is pain with the guns, double brave is horrible if they are together, double leader is pain, double bagger is "good luck catching me because I'm easy to save", double detective is speedrun keys and double scout is kinda bad

[dusty wedge]

a good scout vs. Butcher makes butcher useless, imagine two

[rare lynx]

Double scout is actually manageable if there aren't nuts around

[dusty wedge]

I think bagger or leader are the best new player classes

[mint ibex]

Yo vid

[rare lynx]

That and inventor

[mint ibex]

I got sn on Xbox

[rare lynx]

Inventor mechanics are easy to master same with bagger, leader is a little more complicated imo

Hi dxvil

[mint ibex]

Sup

[dusty wedge]

That's true but I think looking for gears is just another thing that you have to look for besides keys, and aiming a rifle correctly + knowing the uses of his items could be challenging for new players.

[dusty wedge]

Awesome

[mint ibex]

Bagger is easy cause he has only passives and leader is a one button for like 1-3 ability’s

Everyone else is more advanced maybe besides scout other that knowing the spots to refill your nuts

[rare lynx]

True

[rare lynx]

Also true

[dusty wedge]

Any character that utilizes aiming is pretty advanced. It can take a while to be good at aiming in SN.

[mint ibex]

On keyboard and mouse my first time as scout I was instantly hood

Good

But I also had experience from console so

[dusty wedge]

Yes

[rare lynx]

If you're good at games its pretty easy

My dark souls player friend just started and is already cracked

[boreal bay]

those are pretty different games

[mint ibex]

My uncle is really good at games and so am I so I like to say I have his blood in my veins 😂

[rare lynx]

Lol

[dusty wedge]

I know, but to rely on aiming as a characters only ability, I'd only risk if I was very experienced.

[rare lynx]

True but like if you can play hard games like dark souls and Valorant like him than other games are easy to pick up

[rare lynx]

Fair point

[mint ibex]

When will you be on sn?

[rare lynx]

Wait Dxvil

Your pfp

That's the zombie scout

Is she possessed by vecna?

She has on headphones as of trying to listen to music

And her eyes are in her head and bleeding

[boreal bay]

for the most part, yeah I agree, but obviously there are different skillsets required for different games. Being experienced in a difficult game like dark souls doesn't necessarily mean you'll be good at say, rhythm heaven

[dusty wedge]

Yes, later.

[rare lynx]

Yeah true, but like I mean first/third person games that have combat machanics

[mint ibex]

I did end up breaking my mic tho

[mint ibex]

W pfp me

[glacial jungle]

servers are fine, did you meet a login error ?

[mint ibex]

so my mic maically works

[rare lynx]

That happened to me too once. Its very strange

[mental halo]

secret hello neighbor

[civic tusk]

i cant log in for some reason, are the servers down again?

or is it bc my power got cut off while I was in game?

[glacial jungle]

servers are fine, on what platform are you ?

[civic tusk]

not again! (authentication error)

[civic tusk]

PC (Steam)

[glacial jungle]

mine work well, have you tried the files verification ?

[civic tusk]

It was fine yesterday, but I belive its bc my power got cut off while I was in game

[glacial jungle]

oh
maybe try later

[civic tusk]

ill try reinstalling the game

like delete and install again

still nothing

[civic tusk]

i restarted PC, everything is fine now

[nocturne quartz]

someone want to do the new event

??

[nocturne quartz]

someone want

[daring gate]

Ran into the Guest easter egg again for the second time in all my hours of playing!

[feral sorrel]

just use the salt

[daring gate]

oh boy

doode. detected

[glacial jungle]

!sncrossplay

[fierce stag]

Hello!
Please see below for the currently available crossplay options for Secret Neighbor.
Secret Neighbor current crossplay options :
• Microsoft Store + Xbox: crossplay compatible
• Playstation + Switch: crossplay compatible
• Steam | iOS : no crossplay
• Stadia : no crossplay
For more information on Secret Neighbor such as platform availability, feel free to check out https://www.secretneighbor.com/

[daring gate]

...and that thing happened agian

great

[copper escarp]

Yooo guys wassup!!!!

Look what i bought today in secret neighbor

And this guys

Sorry for too much

[spark ledge]

thx for flooding the chat with random christmas skins

[pine lichen]

well uh

It’s the Christmas shop so you don’t have to show us

[daring gate]

Yeah it's literally in the seasonal tab

[rare lynx]

I want the Santa neighbor

[daring gate]

I think santa neighbor's cool cause of the head

[rare lynx]

I agree

[daring gate]

it basically changes his character, and he doesn't have the stupid makeup or whatever he has to seem 'scary'

[rare lynx]

He doesn't have bags under his eyes

Horrible bags

Man's got mass insomnia

[daring gate]

He's got sleepless nights! The rescue squad is constantly trying to break in on their 15 minute missions.

[rare lynx]

True

Give the poor man a break

Only time he got to sleep was after the servers shut down

Which leads me to believe that he's the one that shut down the servers when we least expected

[daring gate]

Snow thief? Nah.
Server thief? the next event

[rare lynx]

Lmao yes

[dusty wedge]

Why does everyone call him the Snow Thief when we literally know his name now?

[spark ledge]

idk

[solar venture]

I just call him butcher, cause it's just butcher

Dr. Professor sounds stupid

And he's barely and villian

[mint ibex]

fortntie

[rare lynx]

fortneighbor

[olive escarp]

well might be because some people dont know his name

[daring gate]

apparently a close up of ivan is deemed inappropriate, so you get a close out of scout instead

[copper escarp]

ivan is too ugly up close

[pale quest]

🤨

[daring gate]

it's scary

[pale quest]

Oh no!

[daring gate]

yeah. never zoom in on the player spawns XD

[pale quest]

[glacial jungle]

look like he wanted to do a selfie

but too close

[daring gate]

no i know what happened, he was trying to take the photo when someone shoved his camera in his face, snapping the photo.

it was probably brave

[pale quest]

How rude!

[daring gate]

beyond rude.

[glacial jungle]

now he regret to use the flash

[daring gate]

i'm tempted to get more close up pictures now,

[pale quest]

[daring gate]

im gunna do it

this one actually looked kinda good...and intimidating

[pale quest]

Sus

Very sus

[daring gate]

oh no, inventor is standing in a trap and he can't hear us cause he's wearing earbuds!

...all this editor stuff makes me wish i knew how to make renders.

[sour dew]

I made a map

What I don’t like

Is the name

When you want to name it like Library

It says strong language

How

[rare lynx]

Idk

[sour dew]

Cuz

[rare lynx]

I get that glitch too

Its annoying

[sour dew]

I just want to spell Raven Brooks Library

[rare lynx]

I can only name the map like one simple word otherwise it says string language

[daring gate]

it thinks basement or something was strong language

[rare lynx]

I can't even spell basement

[sour dew]

Yeah ik

[rare lynx]

Yeah lol

[sour dew]

level editor only on steam

I got secret neighbor for 5 $ cuz it was 80% off

I was lucky

[glacial jungle]

oh at the last winter sales ?

[sour dew]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-neighbor-hello-neighbor-hop-on-hop-on-among-us-gif-25888171

Oh yes winter sale

People on steam are good

I play as guest

Because I can jump long distance to catch kids

[rare lynx]

He can be overpowered when there is only 1 kid

[sour dew]

Oh yes

One time

I Catched all the others

Except one engineer was still alive

So I was guest and I was listening for him with t he ability

[glacial jungle]

i am better as butcher

[sour dew]

Then I saw he was somewhere on top where I couldn’t

Go

Then

Leaped and catched the engineer

And I am very good at guest

Since I started secret neighbor not so long ago

I’m good at it

[rare lynx]

Nice

[glacial jungle]

you have to pray that I'm not the butcher, you can't tell where I'm sending you my hook!

[sour dew]

And I keep checking the shop so I can customise the guest

But there is nothin

Guest is I think most powerful

Overpowered

Who remember mayak event

The weather station

???

[glacial jungle]

yes it's still working now

[sour dew]

I really want to do it

[daring gate]

the old version or the one in the game rn?

[sour dew]

Looks like it’s still going

Ik what you have to do

[daring gate]

you can do the event with 4-5 people actually

[sour dew]

You need 6 peopl

[daring gate]

nah.

[sour dew]

Oh

[daring gate]

levers 4-6 can be ran between

with a leader and their chocolate bar

[sour dew]

Ok cool

[daring gate]

Ghost can...well...ghost into the basement before the locks are unlocked, giving unlimited time for eevryone to do their levers

[sour dew]

Wait but what is the point of mayak

We just see lightning

[daring gate]

it used to be apart of a arg, i miss that, and now it gives a treasure giving some lore.

[sour dew]

Ok ok try to do it with some people

Cuz I think u need to make custom server

There used to be a secret room

With a ? Keycard needed

[spark ledge]

its all gone

yet for some reason, the Mayak room is still there

[sour dew]

The room was for a secret password

Hello guest prototype

It’s not playable anymore

I think

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-maxwell-cat-spinning-cat-spinning-black-cat-gif-27241286

I don’t play sn on iOS but I want my iOS to get Guest

And my friend

That’s one iOS

Can’t play with my friend

[daring gate]

Mayak is fully physical with collisions but you can't get in there.

i haet that

[dusty wedge]

You can get in, it is possible.

[daring gate]

you can?!

[copper escarp]

i cant escape this cat.

[dusty wedge]

Yes, me and my friends did it the other day. Only one person can go though.

[copper escarp]

i still have the prototype downloaded on my computer.

[daring gate]

It is. the site is still up

[dusty wedge]

Look: #secret-neighbor message

[daring gate]

...oh my god-

[dusty wedge]

We did it on Xbox.

[dusty wedge]

Yeah, it was pretty cool, not gonna lie.

[daring gate]

kinda makes me think of the reel,

[daring gate]

sorry i know this should be in level editor chat but

look at the window-

[spark ledge]

its a window!!

[spark ledge]

YAAAA-

[stray solar]

I need help

[daring gate]

The crow returns in level editor!

[rare lynx]

Wait so all you need to do is stand out of bounds?

Out of the map

And it will teleport you there?

[mint ibex]

You basically gotta win as neighbor without anyone unlocking the door

I don’t think Seth likes me

[worn lintel]

love this game

[mint ibex]

I love when I lose to a camper

Makes me love this game

[worn lintel]

same

[copper escarp]

huh?

[mint ibex]

everytime i was in your quick games you insta left

[copper escarp]

oh

I was just trying to que up with my friend

[mint ibex]

ah

[spring temple]

they should add a Engineer Neighbour class

[spare moth]

What would his abilities be though

[marsh chasm]

trin bale

[inland bay]

Who uses console

[mint ibex]

me ig

[olive escarp]

nah they should focus on balancing the old classes first

[dusty wedge]

You'll need a leader also to push two levers, and a ghost to get in the basement with no time. But yes, essentially that's what you do.

[dusty wedge]

No you need to be in a very specific spot standing right under the room, then you need to stack items/make a snowman to spawn inside. It's complicated to do.

[rare lynx]

Oh

[olive escarp]

theres a specific spot in the library where where you can go into the basement as ghost

so no dealing with a time limit

[dusty wedge]

Not a class, but a skin could work.

[rare lynx]

Do you have a video on how to do it by chance?

[dusty wedge]

The ghost in the basement thing, or the whole process of getting into the Mayak room?

[rare lynx]

Both ig

[dusty wedge]

Well you can find the ghost teleport spot easily just by flying around the library in Map 1 and looking for it, just go to an area that's directly under the basement in the library and you'll find it. And the Mayak room, we figured out the glitch ourselves and didn't use a tutorial, or make one, unfortunately.

A tutorial for a glitch like that would be hard to make, because it would be very precise.

[cunning spire]

How much IQ do u have

It's crazy people are finding bugs in this game still

[limpid lava]

every time i feel like SN's been pushed to it's limit, someone always finds some crazy glitch or skip to prove me wrong

[cunning spire]

Exactly

[dusty wedge]

Not much IQ was needed, and the glitch was pretty straightforward, to be honest.

[cunning spire]

I see

One of the first bugs I did was the closet glitch in alpha

[dusty wedge]

We also planned a lot ahead of time, biggest problem was finding cooperating players.

[cunning spire]

I see

[rare lynx]

Wow

[dusty wedge]

Well, I find it interesting why the room was still there in the first place, almost like they knew and wanted us to get inside.

[cunning spire]

They probably just left it like they do everything else

[dusty wedge]

They usually remove extra stuff like that though, to prevent lagging or fps losses.

[cunning spire]

O

[limpid lava]

like im still discovering skips on map 1 and 2

[dusty wedge]

The room worked perfectly too, even the screen.

[rare lynx]

The mayak room is supposed to take place at Mayak right?

Like in the lore

[dusty wedge]

Yes

[cunning spire]

"lore"

[dusty wedge]

The room is inside Mayak.

[rare lynx]

Would be cool if they had a fully modeled Mayak you could go into

I mean now ig not since the Mayak room is kinda scrapped

[dusty wedge]

They can't!!!!!! No!!!!!!

[cunning spire]

?????

[rare lynx]

[cunning spire]

When

[dusty wedge]

too many secrets will be revealed!!11!!1!!

[rare lynx]

I mean its not used in the maysk event anymore

[cunning spire]

"secrets"

Lol

[dusty wedge]

yEsss

[limpid lava]

no bro you dont understand mayak will explain everything... its been stated...

[dusty wedge]

"i didnt know aaron was the neighbor son"

[cunning spire]

"is Aaron guest sun??"

[rare lynx]

||real||

[limpid lava]

i do not need flashbacks to the aaron guest debates

[rare lynx]

Didn't people think Aaron was the guest at one point?

[dusty wedge]

no it's because they have all these secrets and never reveal them for some reason (mith, guest, mayak, etc.) and the biggest secret in HN2 is "aaron neighbor son" which everyone knew.

[limpid lava]

it was like this whole conflict of people who believed neighbor is guest vs people who believed aaron is guest

[rare lynx]

Interesting

[dusty wedge]

neither

[rare lynx]

Honestly that theory that Aaron was the guest may have work in hb2 alpha 1/1.5

[cunning spire]

I feel like the guest was done dirty

Mascot of hn2 basically and the character we all wanted to study and analyze cuz the neighbor was getting boring

They just scrap all of his cameos besides one

[dusty wedge]

He's probably just the Forest Protectors' cult god.

[limpid lava]

i do not care enough about the lore anymore to figure out who he is lol

[cunning spire]

Same

He's still cooler than the neighbor tho

[dusty wedge]

This is true

HN2 would still be alive if the guest, mayak, and mith were story elements

[limpid lava]

but anyway, you newer fans be thankful you weren't around for the majority of those debates

it was not a fun time lol

[rare lynx]

I want to know more about Mith than the guest tbh, like Mith was cut completely but he was so interesting and mysterious in hg and hn2 alphad

[cunning spire]

Glad I refunded my preorder

Beta was alright but full game was another let down imo

[dusty wedge]

Probably a gov agent/private detective

[rare lynx]

I wouldn't call myself a newer fan but I'm just newer to the discord, joined October

[cunning spire]

Nice

[limpid lava]

i mean like, actively involved in the community

[cunning spire]

The debates are why I was inactive during majority of it

My brain cells needed protect

[rare lynx]

I'm thinking: remember the people who were trying to investigate Mr Peterson so they had to move from Germany in the books?

I think mith might be one of those agents

[limpid lava]

ive been involved with the HN community since SN first launched and there is a lot of tales i could probably tell from that, which i won't tho

[dusty wedge]

He has some kind of stake with the guest too, not just Ted

[cunning spire]

Same for me

Well November of 2019 is when I joined this server on my old account lol

Discord won't let me back in jt

[rare lynx]

That too

Also the mith event

Does it still work

[cunning spire]

No

Trunk doesn't open

[rare lynx]

Dang

[dusty wedge]

Based on the extended HG ending, we know he spies on Quentin too and has encountered the Guest probably many times.

[rare lynx]

Ig no one can get that trophy now

[limpid lava]

nah the event is basically just shortened now, you get the trophy after catching him in that bear trap i believe

[cunning spire]

For now,

Nothing is rare in SN, I learned that the hard way

[cunning spire]

Oh I guess I need to do more research

💀

[rare lynx]

We also know the guest doesn't like him specifically, he comes and tackles him infront of Quintin

[cunning spire]

That's just a one time thing tho

[dusty wedge]

Yes, guest hates mith, peterson, and Quentin.

[dusty wedge]

That's all we need

[cunning spire]

True

[limpid lava]

i remember the days of when the animated series was first being teased within SN, the times before the matpat tweets came out and public discussion of this franchise was eternally ruined

[rare lynx]

I understand why he hates Quinton though, he's trying to expose the secrets

[dusty wedge]

He has a spray to scare the guest off implying that it's happened before

[cunning spire]

I find it funny I played SN with a guy named mith way before hello guest was a thing

[rare lynx]

Anti-guest spray

[rare lynx]

He must've been one of raven brooks's time travelers

He knew about mith before mith

[limpid lava]

sort of weird to think about how we didn't even know an HN2 was in development back then

[rare lynx]

I wish it was still in development

Like I wish it wasn't released

Yet

So it could be better

[dusty wedge]

HG prototype is better than HN2 by far

[limpid lava]

i think you can tell they were pushing for that holiday release lol

[rare lynx]

Yeah lol

[dusty wedge]

It had everything HN2 needed to have.

[rare lynx]

The game we didn't ask for but we all needed

[dusty wedge]

Exactly

[limpid lava]

it was a much more hopeful time

[dusty wedge]

For sure

[cunning spire]

Gtg for now

Have a good talk fellas

[rare lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-a-good-chat-gerry-dee-family-feud-canada-that-was-a-good-conversation-that-was-a-nice-talk-gif-23744387

[limpid lava]

i remember during halloween 2020 when we got alpha 1.5 and an SN update on the same day, that was good

[rare lynx]

🤩

[wanton mesa]

I'd like to imagine a parallel universe where HG released instead of HN2 and SN actually got better over time

[limpid lava]

a world where hello guest became a finished product sounds great, but for me the ideal world is where HN2 stuck in the general direction we saw with the "alpha 2" that never got released

[rare lynx]

I didn't play SN then but I always followed the community and watched sn videos. Halloween 2020 was one of my favorites

I loved the lobby music too

Thats the only lobby music other than the original that I liked

[wanton mesa]

I wasn't fond of Halloween 2020, the lobby music was pretty great though, still far from the original though

[limpid lava]

the original lobby theme has never been topped and it probably never will

[wanton mesa]

It's just one of those tracks that is like impossible to get sick of, which makes it all the more annoying that it's been out of the game for over a year

[rare lynx]

All of them are far from original, but this one was also far from trash like the others

[limpid lava]

im not too fond of the superhero theme but anything is better than halloween 2021's theme

[boreal bay]

I think SN is heading a good direction

maybe I only think that because it's actually getting updates now

[wanton mesa]

The 2021 halloween theme was just terrible

[rare lynx]

I also want old ambience back, probably more than wanting lobby theme

[limpid lava]

it sounded like a midi recreation

[wanton mesa]

I definitely have hope don't get me wrong but I mean the game has been fully released for three years already and we're only now seeing the slightest chance of promising changes

[rare lynx]

The current final child ambience should be replaced with mus_amb_layer3, the music when the basement was open

[limpid lava]

ive sort of abandoned any expectations for SN and i'm just here for the ride, each update is fascinating to me for their own reasons so i look forward to more of that

[candid ferry]

hey

[boreal bay]

Okay, true

[limpid lava]

some of the stuff on the roadmap sounds sick don't get me wrong, but i don't wanna get my hopes up for any of it

[wanton mesa]

Also this summer marks FIVE YEARS since the game was revealed, like SN has been around for so long and most of the community hate it now due to its lack of necessary changes and pointless additions

[limpid lava]

technically no, that's in april

[wanton mesa]

Well yes thats true

[limpid lava]

the first hint of SN's existence was a video just titled "Secret Neighbor"

[wanton mesa]

I was thinking of the E3 trailer but yeah there was that random video

[limpid lava]

which is... really weird to think about

[rare lynx]

I remember e3

I was really excited

[wanton mesa]

I find it weird that the 2018 april fools video sort of teased both Secret Neighbor and Hide & Seek

but also oddly amusing

[limpid lava]

i mean yeah E3 was the formal announcement, but since the game was still in development way before that, i consider the first video to be the best way to mark SN being known by the public

i remember when everyone thought it was going to be HN2

[boreal bay]

Man there's just so much stuff in SN that needs some sort of rework

[wanton mesa]

Classes, mechanics, lighting, UI, and so on

[limpid lava]

sound system, progression, randomization in each match, combat, i could go on

[wanton mesa]

The fact that the game has like no variation whatsoever sucks because it makes it easier to get burnt out of playing

[dusty wedge]

If the roadmap sticks, we should be getting some nice changes, in my opinion.

[limpid lava]

quick game is just so boring to me nowadays, literally no reason to play it

[wanton mesa]

We'll definitely get nice changes, that's for sure, but enough to get the game out of the ditch it has been in for like two years?

[boreal bay]

#1 thing the game needs is an actual stealth element imo

[limpid lava]

the general quick game experience has remained the same since map 5 and i am so tired of it

[dusty wedge]

Well, this might simply be the year it revives itself, you never know.

[wanton mesa]

I generally really like the idea of randomly generated houses and I wish we could get something like that

[limpid lava]

my controversial take is that SN has been sort of in a spiral since they added the clown neighbor, but that is a whole other thing

[rare lynx]

Fr

[limpid lava]

and it's especially been doomed since they added cosmetics for the neighbor, don't get me started on that

[boreal bay]

Noises the neighbor makes are too loud, voices and emotes aren't muffled through walls in any way, emote pings, too

[dusty wedge]

A majority of the roadmap was supposed to come 2021, but because of Ukraine, it couldn't. They want to make it up to us now.

[boreal bay]

anyways I should probably talk about something else before this just becomes another day of complaining about issues with the game

[wanton mesa]

I was content up to Rocket Science, after that is when I started to dislike the state of the game

[limpid lava]

im really, really, really hoping that the issues with the voice chat and such are fixed with the reworked sound system

instantly improves the game tenfold imo

[limpid lava]

im looking at this mostly from a retrospective angle, i was good with the game until like spring 2021

but anyway i think its become harder and harder for SN to actually become a stealth game the more they add to it

this is probably the first time anyone has said this: the guest being added as a class was the seal to the coffin, now that we've basically got an entirely different character as a playable antagonist, true anonymity is practically impossible

[boreal bay]

slightly unrelated but being a fan of this game in the first half of 2022 was just awful

[dusty wedge]

They can basically add anyone as a neighbor class now

[limpid lava]

pretty much, tho that's not the point

now that we have the guest, it's literally impossible to fix the issue of identifying the neighbor based on their class

cuz if you just made all the neighbors look the same, that would look so goofy it's just not possible

[dusty wedge]

They might have added the guest simply to confuse players, since a theory was that he was the guest. I doubt it will be a regular thing.

[limpid lava]

well i mean yeah but you know how a lot of people talk about how they miss when you could mix and match neighbor abilities? that's impossible to re-implement into the game nowadays

and without something like that, there'll always be one guy who plays a class that nobody else does so when you see that class you just, immediately know who the neighbor is

[boreal bay]

I always forget about that

[limpid lava]

and alright im not here to praise the alphas to high heaven, people have done that enough and quite frankly i still think that's a dated opinion, but the appeal of no neighbor classes is that you can't just look at the neighbor and instantly identify him

but now that we've got all these cosmetics and wacky classes, you can't really have that anymore

[boreal bay]

true

[limpid lava]

i mean in quick game it doesn't really matter, but playing with a dedicated friend group is the preferred way to play SN, and in that setting the game cannot be true social deduction anymore

like right now if you wanna have SN be true vanilla when playing with your friends, you're all gonna have to agree to play 1 class with no cosmetics and that's sort of unreasonable

[boreal bay]

I really like the idea of sub-abilities that act similar to standard abilities but have different properties/functions, like GW2 or SSB4 custom moves.

[limpid lava]

or you could do the random neighbor thing ig, but then there's a chance you'll get a class that you absolutely hate playing as so that's not a fix

[boreal bay]

is there a class anyone dislikes that much?

[limpid lava]

most of my friends stick to exclusively playing guest and scary neighbor

haven't played up against a good clown or butcher in CG in ages lol

[boreal bay]

A good butcher is frightening

[limpid lava]

unfortunately i am the only good butcher i know...

[boreal bay]

You know, now that I think about it my gameplan as butcher is very similar to my gameplan as the guest

which is just waiting in some sneaky high up spot until someone comes into my line of sight

then attacking

tho guest is slighty better than butcher in close quarters because of the Kraa ofc

[limpid lava]

i play butcher either like that or a more dynamic scary neighbor depending on the map

if im on map 3 or 5 then yeah the snipe hooks are certainly ideal

but playing on map 1, 2, or 4 then i like to use him like scary neighbor with more effective mid-range combat

[velvet hedge]

@leaden mist theres one

[leaden mist]

can i see

[velvet hedge]

i dont have any image

[limpid lava]

guest is sort of okay in close quarters if you know what you're doing, but he mostly relies on getting good picks in order to win

i've found that when i play guest, i'll usually never get kills on the lower floors since there's just not enough to take advantage of there

[regal smelt]

Is this game going to get more updates like story expansion and achievments

[limpid lava]

specific stuff like that is unknown, but the game will be getting more updates in the future yeah

[leaden mist]

dam

[regal smelt]

Thats good I was a bit dissapointed on how quick the ganeplay lasted

[rare lynx]

Solution: when playing with friends make a rule of no neighbor cosmetics, only default neighbors

Wait nvrm you said that

[limpid lava]

we have tried that before lol

[rare lynx]

"Tried"

Did it work?

[limpid lava]

kind of a pointless gesture anyway considering the game already has a bunch of other problems that make social deduction impossible

so we threw that out eventually

[rare lynx]

Wait

[rare lynx]

Actually the random neighbor would solve this

Say you have friends that generally use the same class

But if everyone's random

Than no one would know

[limpid lava]

i have also touched on that already, problem is that some of the people in the group just really dont like using certain classes

[rare lynx]

Fair

I still don't like ghost

[limpid lava]

in theory it could work if you got a full lobby of people who are fine with playing any of the classes

and again that's in the idealized reality where the sound system has no problems that make the whole "secret" thing sort of pointless

[rare lynx]

True

Wait

I have a solution

Just don't play with sound 🥹

(Joke)

[limpid lava]

discord vc, everybody uses the same kid class, no cosmetics, player names off, and agree on an honors system where you dont ever say your location

there, social deduction :D

[rare lynx]

Hmm

Yeah

When proxy vc gets fixed though discord won't be needed

Also kid cosmetics aren't a problem imo

[limpid lava]

well it wouldn't be, but again since you can tell where everybody is (and at some point you'll memorize their cosmetics, unless they randomize each it round which is actually pointless) due to the sound system, it's just an extra layer of security

[boreal bay]

I like ghost, still nearly impossible to win in a high skill lobby due to item spam, but he's fun

[limpid lava]

i do not like playing SN with people that have the same skill level as me lol

[rare lynx]

Whats the matter with knowing which player is which by cosmetics?

[limpid lava]

playing as the neighbor, you'll only get 1 or 2 picks if you're lucky

[limpid lava]

you can narrow down who the neighbor is based off who's where and where the sound of death comes from, but again once proxy chat gets improved, that isn't an issue

[rare lynx]

What does cosmetics have to do with that? Also that's the point, you need to figure out who the neighbor is so seeing where they come from is helpful

[boreal bay]

understandable, playing as the neighbor in a lobbies that are = to your skill level or higher is very difficult due to the current state of the combat (which most likely will stay unchanged)

[limpid lava]

im talking about a hypothetical "purist" reality where it'd be basically impossible to identify the neighbor from just glancing at him doing something, from personal experience if you add even the slightest amount of personalization you can figure out the neighbor's identity within like 2 to 3 minutes

[rare lynx]

Hmm... ok I kinda see what you mean

[limpid lava]

in actual SN yeah that's fine idm seeing when people die that is pretty essential to the gameplay flow, but again that's assuming you aren't keeping tabs on what literally everyone is doing

which is incredibly easy to due because of no sound muffling

[rare lynx]

I think detective should have another ability that actually uses detective skills to figure out who the neighbor is

[boreal bay]

the "disguise" ability the scary neighbor has is still bugged

[limpid lava]

that would be downright busted tbh, having the ability to speedrun keys and instantly figure out the neighbor's identity would be 💀

one thing i did think of at some point though, bring back the general missing posters when a kid gets caught, but have the detective be able to tell who is it with an ability

[boreal bay]

all the emotes use the animation for leader's inspiration ability while disguised

[rare lynx]

I think the detective should have another ability that shows him the missing poster along with the name of the most recent player that died (this will have a cooldown) but using this you can know if the scary neighbor is disguised as a dead person if you see the person that is dead

[limpid lava]

good thing you'll never be using emotes as a disguised kid unless you're the same class as the person you caught

[rare lynx]

Obviously it wouldn't be that broken. It would need to be somewhat balanced

[limpid lava]

still, i wonder how that even happened

[boreal bay]

yup

why doesn't disguise mimic the voice of the other classes? It wouldn't make it a great ability or anything but it would be a lot better

[limpid lava]

i assume its because of voice chat, you cant exactly emulate other people's voices can you

so being able to do that with disguises would give players with no mic a disadvantage

[rare lynx]

I remember my friends first reaction when I disguised as him (he's a new player). He was like "I heard the neighbor transform" then I came infront of him and he saw it was his name and he was like "wait! That- thats not me! That's not me!" And started running

SN has some priceless moments when you play with friends

[limpid lava]

oh, the ignorant bliss of new players

i like watching SN videos with inexperienced players for that reason

[rare lynx]

Yeah

I agree

[limpid lava]

it isnt fair, they get to play an actual social deduction game because they have no idea what any of the sound effects mean :(

[rare lynx]

😔

It was also funny because I was playing with 2 other new player friends and one if them instantly knew I was the neighbor because we were in discord vc and the game started and I was like "darn I was hoping I'd be tge neighbor"

Instantly they were like "yep, its you"

[limpid lava]

for whatever reason that is the baseline assumption when you say out loud "darn, i didn't get the role i wanted!"

[rare lynx]

And I was trying to frame others with disguise and it was like actual social deduction

[rare lynx]

True lol. I'm not good at lying

[limpid lava]

i remember one time in quick game i did manage to fool a few guys with the disguise ability and stuck around with them for a few minutes, game ended near immediately after i transformed lol

[rare lynx]

I've been fooled by disguise once before in QG. Someone disguised as bagger and transformed and tried to kill.me, then when I saw the real bagger I downed him

And then the fake bagger came

And I was like "I messed up"

[limpid lava]

i sometimes feel a little bad when i completely box spam a newer neighbor player back to the respawn room several times

not quite bad enough to stop tho

[rare lynx]

Lol

Sometimes bullying the neighbor is fun 😈

[limpid lava]

like i'm imagining being a guy who bought the game a week ago, got the neighbor and is thinking "aww yeah im the neighbor, can't wait to be sneaky and kill all these guys"

then 4 minutes later they're wondering how a single person is basically preventing them from playing the game at all

[rare lynx]

Idk if its just me, but I love the satisfying crunch/smack sound when you throw an item at someone

Idk why but its quite satisfying

[limpid lava]

no yeah i get it, hearing that tick a glorious eight times in a row always releases some dopamine

[rare lynx]

Fr

When the basement is open sometimes I hit or down my teammates and then revive them just for the satisfactory sound

(I think I'm going crazy I should not love doing that)

[cunning spire]

True

Back btw

[rare lynx]

Hai

[limpid lava]

'ello

[rare lynx]

'ello neighbor

[cunning spire]

No

Ur not gonna do this to me again, not again

[rare lynx]

;)

Giys have you noticed the lighting did change this past update?

[rare lynx]

Even Adam confirmed it on a dev stream

[cunning spire]

What if they pulled a fall guys and put the HEV from half life into SN lmao

[limpid lava]

but anyway yeah its fun seeing the disconnect between relatively new players and people who have been playing for years

[limpid lava]

wait can i get a quote on that

[cunning spire]

True

[rare lynx]

You know when you open steam on SN it shows the dev stream that plays on loop?

He said it there

[limpid lava]

well yeah but do you remember his exact words

[rare lynx]

Go to the part where he plays map 4

[cunning spire]

Especially when a noobie finds a bug

"Omg guys this isn't normal!!"

And we're just like "that's normal for sn"

[rare lynx]

Not exactly.... 😔

[limpid lava]

there is no stream there atm

[rare lynx]

But ik he did say it

[cunning spire]

I did an edit of home alone in Gmod

What if I did an edit of Walter white in SN

[rare lynx]

Also have you noticed with your own eyes?

[limpid lava]

nope

[rare lynx]

💀

[rare lynx]

Really?

[limpid lava]

still looks pretty much the same to me, i know the LE changed weather types tho

[cunning spire]

It got slightly Brighter but that's it

[rare lynx]

I noticed it a while ago and when I asked someone here they said I mist have accidentally turned up a graphic setting in game

So I went on not thinking about it

Then

I decided yo watch the dev stream

And it was confirmed

[limpid lava]

i was the guy who said that, i was talking about the ambient occlusion lol

[rare lynx]

I wasn't going crazy

[rare lynx]

Lmao

Unintentionally gaslight me

[limpid lava]

but anyway me personally i haven't noticed anything, maybe its because i just don't actively play anymore so i don't hyper analyze

[cunning spire]

Same

[rare lynx]

I play about 8 hours a week, I'd play more but life is busy

[cunning spire]

I would still play the game despite claiming I quit but that might be like once every update now

[limpid lava]

i spent some time working on an LE map, haven't played any consistent quick game in a couple weeks tho

[rare lynx]

Yeah, QG get repetitive ngl

[limpid lava]

i decided to actually commit to playing other games 💀

[rare lynx]

But playing with friends, especially new players, is soooo much fun!

[limpid lava]

i have so many clips of dumb moments from SN sessions with friends that i've collected over the years

[rare lynx]

I think if you have a few friends to play with you in CG it can be very fun

[limpid lava]

like one time my friend was doing the level 3 keycard skip on map 3, and when i jumped up to his location as the guest he got scared so bad he fell off the top of the map and got downed

[rare lynx]

QG can be fun too if you get in games with interesting players, otherwise it can get repetitive

[rare lynx]

Lol!

[olive escarp]

hey afro i'm sorry but i cant do a video right now

im gonna make one as soon as i turn on my console

[rare lynx]

No its fine, I was just asking if there was one already made I could look at

[cunning spire]

I did too but when I got a new PC and was dumb enough to not back up the files

[olive escarp]

probably not lol

[limpid lava]

i still have my old PCs laying around with all of their stuff intact, so i could probably find some stuff from like 2020 if i wanted to

[rare lynx]

How many PCs you have? 🤨

I'm lucky that I have 1 pc that actually works (well I have 2)

[limpid lava]

3 lol

first one was in 2016, technically my dad's pc but i used it a lot
then i got a new one in 2020
then in 2022 i wanted to get a new graphics card, but buying a new one was around the same price as just buying an entire new pc so i just did that, this was also good because the one i was using at the time had an issue with overheating and shutting down

[rare lynx]

Ooh

Nice

Honestly I was thinking of replacing my GPU and CPU to be even stronger, rn I can run games well but I want a little bit more gamer type

I might just get a new pc if you say its more worth it

[limpid lava]

eh idk, this was back when GPUs were going for crazy inflated prices because of scalpers and pandemic stuff

i've heard it's calmed down a lot since then and getting a GPU is a bit cheaper

[cunning spire]

My dad has a bunch of original PCs from the 70s he's collected

I like the keyboards

They're loud

[rare lynx]

Typewriter keyboards smh

I've seen modern computers with keys louder than type writers

[limpid lava]

like this PC cost around 3K bucks i believe, but an RTX 3080 ti (which is the card i have right now) goes for a bit under 1K dollars atm so

depends on how big of an investment you wanna make i guess

[rare lynx]

I've heard rtx 2060 is also surprisingly good

[limpid lava]

despite this, running well decorated level editor maps at 144 fps remains out of my reach

[rare lynx]

Which is cheaper

[rare lynx]

:o

[limpid lava]

yeah if you play on one of those maps that has a lot of lights and is pretty big, you'll probably get like 60 to 90 fps

nothing to scoff at for sure, but still far worse than official maps where i get around 150 to 200 fps

[rare lynx]

I get 60 fps normally in SN with medium graphics

Which is good enough for me

But

If I record or smth I get like 30/40 frames

Also some games don't run as well

[limpid lava]

i play with high textures and details quality and everything else is either on low or turned off for the sake of performance, SN on max graphics doesn't look that much better anyway so its hardly a loss

[rare lynx]

For example Minecraft runs pretty horrible without optifine but runs SN well, and my other computer runs SN horrible but MC well

[limpid lava]

minecraft renders a lot of stuff on the CPU instead of the GPU so that could probably be why, if you have a worse CPU on this pc anyway

[daring gate]

minecraft lags on my computer while higher end games run fine

[rare lynx]

Ik its weird

So idk if I want a new cpu or gpu

[cunning spire]

Gmod lags for me when I do npc wars.lmao

[rare lynx]

Because idk type of game i want to run more

[limpid lava]

but anyway this is what graphic settings i use for SN, game still looks decent but runs fairly well

[daring gate]

Reflections

[limpid lava]

the reflections look ugly tbh

[daring gate]

i didnt even notice any

[rare lynx]

I have all of those on medium

[limpid lava]

why are you making the grass shine that isn't how that works!!

[worn lintel]

i love this game

[limpid lava]

pov: you are playing on map 5 for the thousandth time in a row

[worn lintel]

im so sick of this map

[cunning spire]

Kill it

[limpid lava]

its definitely my least favorite map to play on

[worn lintel]

thought i was the only one getting map 5

[rare lynx]

If they actually made map 5 look like an amusement park It would be nice

Already explained my problem with it:

#secret-neighbor message

[limpid lava]

layout and art style mixing, those are my issues

[olive escarp]

and the tent

they just slapped these small kiosks everywhere and call it a day

[rare lynx]

That's what I meant

When I said clown house thing I meant tent

Lol

[olive escarp]

oh i thought you meant the clown entrance

[rare lynx]

What there should be is a designated area for the fareswheel, not just it being thrown off to the side. The theater is good but could use a little more amusement park type decorations outside of it. The fareswheel should be inside the map and accessible even if it doesn't function. And lastly there should be an actual roller coaster not the random stuff floating in the air

Like half the map is just consession stands and they're arranged strangely, too

Also they have a lot of room, like outside of the map is a lot of stuff that should be in the normal map

Like the mini parking lot, the little cars

[mint ibex]

i play with preset low but i have no fps lock,animated portraits,medium textures and motion blur and i get 100ish fps in game and 600 in loading screens

[rare lynx]

Wow

Can you even tell the difference of 100 and 600 fps

[mint ibex]

well its a laoding screen

[rare lynx]

True

[mint ibex]

so it doesnt rlly matter i just load out/ in games someone faster

[limpid lava]

i remember when people tried to maximize as much FPS out of the game as possible, i think we got over 1K

[mint ibex]

i needa upgrade my gpu here soon

[limpid lava]

no because we don't have any monitors that can render that quickly yet

[mint ibex]

360 is the highest i think

[olive escarp]

forgot i cant say the f word

[limpid lava]

yeah i remember that being the highest

[olive escarp]

wouldnt it be so fricking cool if the guest statue that was outside the map in the actual map and u would have to climb on it similar to the old halloween tower?

[rare lynx]

YES

Incorn has a guest statue on his map recreation

[mint ibex]

iots been rumoured were getting 480hz monitor someday

its*

[limpid lava]

can we also have the halloween tower on map 5 be climbable 🙏

[mint ibex]

i just got a great idea

amazing idea

[olive escarp]

oh forgot it was there

can u still get on there using ghost?

[limpid lava]

nah pretty sure there's an invisible wall preventing you

[mint ibex]

what if for halloween next year they do a "anniversary event" where they bring back all the charachters old stats and all maps at their orignial state but so it doesnt ruin the game put it in a seperate mode

[limpid lava]

and its different from the one that blocks the out of bounds area

[rare lynx]

Id like that

[limpid lava]

finally, balanced leader

[mint ibex]

brave is gunna be busted asl tho

[mint ibex]

and for the event they make the game free on steam for a week or so or they have a price drop until the event is over

[limpid lava]

scout would also be more balanced

am i the only one who thinks charged shots for the slingshot were actually a bad idea

[olive escarp]

remember when there was a thanksgiving update

[rare lynx]

Explain why you think it was a bad idea

[mint ibex]

unless they make the damage in between charged and not charged

otherwise i odnt agree

[worn lintel]

you aren't the only one

[mint ibex]

im boutta q up for some sn

anyone wanna joni

[limpid lava]

fighting scouts as anyone but scary neighbor is annoying as hell and i'd rather the slingshot be used as a support tool that gives scout some self sustain instead of an incredibly powerful fighting tool

[olive escarp]

i think it was a good edition but it should maybe not stun you

[mint ibex]

thats why scouts my favorite :)\

[olive escarp]

i think it doesnt stun you in slingshot wars

[mint ibex]

?

[mint ibex]

are you online right now/

[limpid lava]

tfw 3 scouts when you're playing as butcher

[rare lynx]

I see. Actually tB even said scout is supposed to be a support character in tinyTips

[rare lynx]

💀

[mint ibex]

nah they scout is legal machine gun child

[rare lynx]

Lmao

[olive escarp]

i always hated scout because i sucked with the slingshot but now after playing her a couple times i think shes better than brave

[mint ibex]

brave is the worst kid in the game

[olive escarp]

if i would rank them it would go like this:

Inventor
Detective
Bagger
Leader
Scout
Brave

[limpid lava]

also please tell me im not the only one who thinks the stun resistance ability for leader is stupid and should be removed

her whole gimmick is that she revives people and therefor should be higher priority for the neighbor to catch, why give her an ability that makes it harder for the neighbor to do that? literally just removes counterplay

[mint ibex]

i think its finw

[olive escarp]

either it should be an unlockable ability like dazzle or it should be removed entirely imo

[limpid lava]

i think you're confusing the clown ability with leader's teamwork ability lol

[olive escarp]

i meant the blinding one

[limpid lava]

yeah ik what you're talking about, just noticed you got the name wrong

[rare lynx]

I disagree

She's supposed to have less stress in order to make her a leader

And its not that bad

[limpid lava]

ok i get that, but

has an ability that can instantly revive people, remove bad status effects, and speeds up other players all at the press of a button
only has an 18 second cooldown
the neighbor should focus on taking her down so she can't undo his progress, right?
give her an ability that makes it way easier to escape from him

that's just unbalanced

she should have a weakness to counter her incredible strength, instead she literally just gets another strength

[mint ibex]

im kdding

[hard tundra]

i think leader is balanced if you only have 1 in the game if u have multiple leaders in one game the neighbor just becomes blinded & disabled

[rare lynx]

I think the neighbors just need to be buffed, not nerf the kids

[hard tundra]

yes

right now butcher is the only balanced neighbor

[limpid lava]

nah some of the kids are in need of nerfs

[hard tundra]

brave needs a nerf especialy if u have multiple but its hard to nerf brave

[rare lynx]

Yeah leader does need nerf but I don't think they should touch her stun resistance

[boreal bay]

New ability! Weak knees, leader's bones will crumble from any fall no matter the height

[limpid lava]

i think its an easy way to make her more balanced though

that along with increasing inspiration's cooldown, you aren't removing her effectiveness but making it less exploitable

[rare lynx]

True

[limpid lava]

cuz leader was not really that good when her only ability was just speed up other people for a short amount of time

[worldly lintel]

real

[rare lynx]

Scout needs a buff

But what?

[limpid lava]

xmas alpha fall damage:

[worldly lintel]

scout needs another ability

[hard tundra]

if u have multiple scouts on like map 5 its op

[limpid lava]

remove her from the game so she can be spared the relief of having to be in SN

[rare lynx]

She needs a nerf of charged shots but she also needs some type of buff because if she has no nuts she's useless and vulnerable

[hard tundra]

enginner is also useless without gears

[worldly lintel]

scout should get something else added to her like inventor did

but my tiny brain has no ideas

[limpid lava]

detective is useless and vulnerable if the guy who's playing him doesn't have extensive knowledge of the maps tbf

[rare lynx]

True

[hard tundra]

maybe like an ability with a button press thadt teleports/ boost her a bit away

for scout

[limpid lava]

that would make evasive maneuvers literally worthless

[worldly lintel]

thats what evasive maneuvers does

[boreal bay]

Do you guys think Detective's 2nd ability should be replaced entirely? It's near useless for players familiar with the maps but I can imagine it would be sorta helpful for newcomers

[rare lynx]

"teleports" 💀

[hard tundra]

not like teleports but like boost her a bit away yk

[worldly lintel]

i already think leader being able to magically blind the neighbor is but weird but scout teleporting..

[limpid lava]

yeah intuition is kind of a bad ability, but idk what to replace it with

[worldly lintel]

there was an ability that someone suggested a while ago for detective

[limpid lava]

as already mentioned, that's just evasive maneuvers but without the skill involved in hitting 3 shots in quick succession

[worldly lintel]

it was like a magnifying glass that could see the neighbors footsteps

[hard tundra]

would maybe be good if the normal ability would just be the speed boost and effect clear and the 2 ability would be the revive ability

[boreal bay]

Maybe he just unlocks a random lock with telepathy /j

[rare lynx]

I like that idea

[limpid lava]

at the very least, a rework for detective should not have his second ability be about the keys

[rare lynx]

Something like how the butcher can see where the kidsr went but instead tge detective takes out his magnified glass and can see footprints

[limpid lava]

field intel is fine standalone and i'd rather detective gets something more unique instead of something to just supplement field intel

[worldly lintel]

magnifying glass seems similar to inventors danger detector but more fun to use

[boreal bay]

I would say some sort of camera shutter that blinds the neighbor but uhh, leader already has that exact thing 💀

[limpid lava]

inventor's threat sensor:

[worldly lintel]

i neeeed it

[rare lynx]

I like what booger suggested

[rare lynx]

Oh

True

[worldly lintel]

i dont think it would be that horrible to have more than one ability that helps find where the neighbor is

[rare lynx]

Fair point

[limpid lava]

actually i'd be fine if they just gave the threat sensor to detective instead, i think its sort of a useless ability for inventor

like why bother crafting that when you can make the flashlight pan which offers way more stability

[worldly lintel]

i almost never use the threat sensor because it uses up a slot

i only use it if i have a spare slot and then throw it later

[limpid lava]

also can we all agree that the night vision goggles suck?

the game's already bright enough to the point where they don't reveal anything, the green filter is ugly, and you see less of your screen when you use it

[worldly lintel]

the night vision goggles make my eyes hurt

i like inventors rework but it may as well never been added and i would play him the exact same way

[limpid lava]

plus the flashlight pan already has a light on it so night vision goggles are just redundant to have

[boreal bay]

Would maybe have a use if the flashlight pan didn't exist

yeah

[limpid lava]

literally why would you craft the night vision goggles when the flashlight pan does what it does better + gives you 2 extra hits

[rare lynx]

Should see through clown smoke

[boreal bay]

maybe the flashlight pan should just be removed

[limpid lava]

nah not removed, should cost more gears tho

2 gears for that kind of stability is insane

[rare lynx]

Scput shpuld honestly have a scouting ability

Scout*

Like a sense she has when the neighbor was recently around

[boreal bay]

6 gears maybe?

that'd buff the hammer a bit too

[limpid lava]

that or 5 would probably be good

hammer is underrated tbh

pretty useful to conserve gears when you get in long fights with the neighbor

[rare lynx]

Fr

Especially with butcher

[boreal bay]

I want more interactable objects like the hammer

[limpid lava]

especially now that you can take off your own saucepan, if you ever get hit you can just take it off and repair it ez

[rare lynx]

Crowbar 🥹

[worldly lintel]

i like how the crowbar exists in the game but does literally nothing

its like it was planned for it to do something but never happened

why else would it even be in the game

[limpid lava]

fill up the kettles with water and spill them on the floor for slippery movement physics for a short time

[rare lynx]

Do you think they should add some type of melee machanic?

[limpid lava]

perhaps not very practical but it would be funny

[limpid lava]

the noobie brave mains who try to hit the neighbor with the baseball bat would be vindicated

[worldly lintel]

maybe certain items could be used as a melee or thrown

idk how well that would work though since you have to get close to the neighbor to use them

[limpid lava]

then it'd be good risk vs reward, wouldn't it? the risk is potentially getting caught by the neighbor, but the reward is helping you out from getting caught in a pinch

[boreal bay]

that'd be very cool

[rare lynx]

I think hammer wrench and crowbar should have a wack ability where when your next to someone you charge it up and wack them to do damage but it has small cooldown

[worldly lintel]

smacking the neighbor with a crowbar would be funny

[limpid lava]

the neighbor's head:

[mint ibex]

Bruh I got in a game with a kid with a sound board

And it’s actually annoying

[boreal bay]

I don't mind sound boards as long as it isn't someone blasting clown music next to me, exploding my ear drums

[rare lynx]

Like this basically

[limpid lava]

they're funny when it's sound effects played with comedic timing

[boreal bay]

yeah

[limpid lava]

when they start getting spammed it's not funny

[copper escarp]

Lmao

[old tulip]

I just did the longest freakin snipe EVER. the bullet travelled for like 2 whole seconds.

[boreal bay]

maybe I should throw a * cough cough * in there too lol

[leaden mist]

why is the current main theme not as good as the other ones

[worn lintel]

i wasted 1000 coins for the funny number

[agile compass]

The current theme sounds strange

[worn lintel]

i liked the first one

[agile compass]

Me to

[nova shell]

guys

is it normal that i randomly become missing in sn

[boreal bay]

its a bug in the game rn

[old tulip]

It isn't normal.

[copper escarp]

Lol

[cunning spire]

wait ari left?

why 😢

[barren rapids]

theres only 89 in game :(