hn3-discussion

[wild girder]

(I had to resort to using a beanie for The Guest's "beak")

Thx!

That's meant to be The Guest.

[crystal hare]

<@&1162799252192379000>

[wild girder]

What changes/improvements could you say there are in the next build of the game?

[crude ravine]

As we know,
New items
New 3d models
Locks and keys (what version idk)
New npcs (probably isaac and new character nikita said)
Npcs can open the doors (normally npcs enters an room without opening doors)

Finished alma model (quality textures and her head)

[celest plank]

nikita im not stalking you or anything but could you tell what you mean by time here 😭

[eager glade]

i think he meant how long hn3 is

[celest plank]

no the comment he replied to was talking abt

i forgot

[near hawk]

Where is this frooom

[celest plank]

go find out boy

[near hawk]

Telll mee

[celest plank]

i think its under a comment in 8bitryan’s pre alpha video

[near hawk]

Allrright

[eager glade]

show him or u neva know umans

[celest plank]

ts felt like i leaked a home address

[eager glade]

u did and im caling mods

[near hawk]

There's like over 600 comments i'm never finding it

Aaand as expected there's comments that leave me with physical injuries

[ionic bay]

I wonder if they'll pass through the door or if an animation will appear

[near hawk]

Found it nvm

[near hawk]

Yeah no the comment Nikita replied to said "Apparently they're letting Nikita and Eerie Guest take their time with this one"

[high brook]

i wonder if we will get a teaser of the new character soon

[lavish ravine]

Why it looks so acurate

[wicked moth]

One issue I noticed with draggins is that there isn't a penalty to getting thrown. Is this going to change? (I.e, you lose one item from your inventory, determined randomly.)

Nikita, i was wondering if the neighbor going to walk into the town in future builds, because there was this screenshot on the steam website:

So does this mean the neighbor could leave mayak and walk around the town?

[gleaming acorn]

there's almost certainly a pentaly if the historian does it...

yeouch...

[celest plank]

i hope there wont be a penalty

it’d be annoying af

[tawny yoke]

it could be balanced since nikita did say that there's going to be a way to escape from being dragged

and like also considering the ai won't be able to find you by smelling you through 5 floors

hopefully

[deft summit]

Idk but it gives some world building so I like them still

ok Discord you can stop showing me messages from 12 hours ago

[crude ravine]

I think they will

[safe raft]

They better not be rushing it like HN2

[rigid jasper]

i will obliterate tinybuild headquarters if it ends up rushed
/j obv but i'd be very pissed

[gritty mist]

i wish hn3 comes out in 2026, just bc there is ALOT going on in this year (in a good way) but i totally understand if it doesnt

[crude ravine]

Impossible

We are in pre alpha era yet

There will be alphas betas etc

I think on 2027 or 28 full game will be released

[gritty mist]

i understand

thx

[tawny yoke]

for real

I dont get why even rush it

[rigid jasper]

every corporation has to shoot itself in the foot every once in a while

i just hope this time tinybuild chooses a different foot to shoot

they need to understand the community doesnt just want a new hello neighbor game, they want a GOOD hello neighbor game, i dont ever remember nickys diaries having the same following as hn3 does now

because if the third game ends up having the same situation as the previous 2 i genuinely think the community will just die at that point

[vagrant notch]

The problem is that this isn't really a Hello Neighbor game, at least not as it stands. They haven't even done the first step.

[rigid jasper]

i was saying hello neighbor more like the franchise

because this franchise has had a history of underwhelming releases

and i hope hn3 changes that

[tawny yoke]

to be fair tb kind of did multiple times already imo 😭

I lvoe the franchise

but sometimes defending it is really harsh

[rigid jasper]

tbf i separate nikitas hello neighbor from tinybuilds hello neighbor as they are two very different visions

[rigid jasper]

👀 frame by...

[vagrant notch]

No sandbox, no interesting houses to explore, no main antagonist.

[tawny yoke]

oh yeah that's true

I mean I just hope they aren't really put under pressure or anything by publishers

[rigid jasper]

yeah

[tawny yoke]

really third game brought my hope back to the series

because it actually has a unique style and tries to be something really interesting

[rigid jasper]

i can understand the no sandbox thing but the museum and coneds house exist alongwith the weather station, and we have 2 primary antagonists but we dont know which one is the main one

[tawny yoke]

I know the artstyle change won't happen because Nikita does know what and how to manage art direction unlike hn1

but I really hope it won't become something really rushed and unfinished just to be released

[vagrant notch]

You say that like the first game didn't have a unique style, i'd say Hello Neighbor 3's style is far less consistent and refined.

[tawny yoke]

it did have unique style

I'm talking about the change

because as Nikita said sudden change was because he didn't know how to art direct

hn1 does have its own identity, hn3 does also and I believe it fits a lot more to the story they are trying to tell

[vagrant notch]

Between alpha and full game?

[tawny yoke]

yeah

I think it happened with alpha 3?

[vagrant notch]

I just wish the style of HN3 was consistent, the character models don't match the locations or items.

Everything except the characters looks minimalistic.

[tawny yoke]

maybe this could be the case currently cause most of the environment is still placeholders

[rigid jasper]

thats because not everything is textured yet

[tawny yoke]

they jsut started actually finishing the models like crowbar and flashlight

well maybe not just but yeah

[rigid jasper]

i feel like hn2 wouldve been salvageable if the second half of the story was actually completed

[tawny yoke]

yeahhh thats true

wonder if they will ever finish it in some way

[rigid jasper]

its been confirmed that its cancelled i think

[tawny yoke]

I have this kind of love hate relationship with hello neighbor 2

because I feel like

gameplay wise its fun I liked it, felt like a sneaking game

but lore wise man

like personally I think it added more to the stuff than needed

[rigid jasper]

yeah it contributes basically nothing in lore

[tawny yoke]

yeah

its just feels like they focused on one exact timeframe and started adding stuff there

[tawny yoke]

aw man

that's a shame

[blissful river]

Yeah Nikita confirmed it’s canceled in the HN3 devlog 1.5

[tawny yoke]

maybe the supposed ending will be revealed some day via messages or something

[tawny yoke]

oh yeahh I remember

game left on a cliffhanger 🔥

[rigid jasper]

i feel like they couldve made the storytelling a lot more concise with the gameplay if they had followed along and expanded on nikitas narrative before he left instead of throwing it all away

the game takes a couple of hours but the story is basically just "oh yeah theres a cult btw and something in the forest byeeee"

i mean i prefer the way things turned out for both games because we wouldnt have hn3

which is like the best thing ever

[tawny yoke]

literally this man

like really its just kind of nothing burger

also there's this one thing I don't get is why aaron still captive

[wild girder]

NGL. The story could be the worst story ever devised but as long as the actual gameplay is fun and enjoyable. I wouldn't be bothered.

[tawny yoke]

didn't hn1 imply he did escape during act2

[rigid jasper]

uh i think it implies he tries to escape as neighbor goes after aaron rather than nicky

[wild girder]

I highly doubt he's still in captivity. We just have no idea where on earth he is or what he does afterwards.

[tawny yoke]

ohh

[tawny yoke]

lurking in the woods, killing people mayhaps

[wild girder]

I'm honestly surprised that him escaping was never really addressed in the second season of the animated series.

[tawny yoke]

I mean is there even any evidence he did escape

I mean at some point he did for sure the house burnt down

because in hn2 he's still captive I think

and I didn't really get into the books or the series so I might be wrong

[rigid jasper]

only thing i dont like story-wise about hn1 is that nicky has bruises and scrapes on his legs, peterson doesnt seem like the type to go out of his way to harm the kid he already has in captivity

[rigid jasper]

AS implies he escapes

[tawny yoke]

could maybe be interpreted as Nicky possibly trying to escape and hurting himself in various ways

[tawny yoke]

oh alright

[rigid jasper]

yeah i was thinking that too though

[tawny yoke]

but man I am so glad hn3 happened

literally savior

I just really hope time won't mess up things

[wild girder]

Aaron has always been that one odd part of the story for me. The story has expanded into all this urban legend stuff, The Guest, strange storms and the weather station. but Aaron is the only thing that barely gets addressed. It's making me wonder if he even still matters in the story.

[rigid jasper]

peterson has bunk bed in mayak in pre-alpha so maybe

[wild girder]

I still find it odd how the Mayak barely resembles a weather station. (Obviously it's going to look more like one in the future.)

[tawny yoke]

yeah I also feel the same like all those storms and cults

like they gave more questions than answers

[wild girder]

Something which honestly shocked me was that the Mayak was in the Pre alpha at all. I Always had a feeling that it would be in the game eventually in like the final release. But I wasn't expecting it to be as early as Pre-Alpha.

[tawny yoke]

yeah same

I remember I saw the notes about it

and wondered if it's really in the game

[wild girder]

That also makes the pre alpha the first time ever that we could actually go into the Mayak building.

[restive oxide]

the forest section takes place after he is kidnapped i believe

oh mb

i thought you were talking about quentin

ignore me then

[tawny yoke]

it's alright

[tall sorrel]

Actually, it's not

for a short period of time you used to be able to be inside in Secret Neighbor, albeit that was later removed

[quick crow]

Wait i've never heard of this before?

[grim lark]

But it was such a big thing tho

It was part of the HGP arg

[grim lark]

Really sad we’ve been reduced to just the lightning :(. So oversimplified…

(But hey, before that, we used to have nothing at all….)

[quick crow]

(Made in roblox btw)

[river gyro]

I think I've seen that before

Not sure, but Isn't that a teaser for fanmade roblox HN3 game??

[quick crow]

Yep, but I havent posted this teaser anywhere else yet I think.

[river gyro]

Oh alrighty!

well done render, pal

[quick crow]

Lol its ingame footage but thanks anyways!

[crude ravine]

🥀

I think u shouldnt talk about hn again

[quick crow]

Did mr Fruit Punch JUST SAY hn3 isnt a sandbox?

[vagrant notch]

There are very few items you can pick up and play with, it feels rather limited.

[quick crow]

You DO realise its a pre alpha...right? And that everything in this build is to be taken with a grain of salt?

[vagrant notch]

I mean yeah.. but that's what we said about the first two games when the builds started getting worse. I think we need to learn from our mistakes and just make our grievances known early on.

[quick crow]

Well hn3 looks promising, its a pre alpha and they already have a final map made, with interesting characters, cool puzzles, cool artstyle etc.

Also these hn3 builds have NOT been getting worse, what are you on?

Also there is a main antag btw...its called the forest dweller..

[vagrant notch]

I'm just trying to talk about it, i don't want any aggression.

[quick crow]

Well im not really being aggressive.

[river gyro]

I think people who use " 🥀" emoji is a loser

[quick crow]

🥀

[vagrant notch]

"What are you on?"

[quick crow]

Well I kinda said it in a jokeful way, you couldve easily picked that up with the emoji I used afterwards.\

[vagrant notch]

I drank water this morning, i'm sober lol

[river gyro]

alright, no argument on silly scary neighbor descord server

[quick crow]

Lol im not arguing

[vagrant notch]

Just trying to talk about the funni mustache man video game.

[river gyro]

ragebating people on descord chat

[quick crow]

The little goober gabber old man game

The game where you break into an elderly mans home

[vagrant notch]

Anyway, the builds aren't getting worse, just less promising.

[river gyro]

alrighty, very scary larry goofy neighbor game that is mislabeled as "horror"

[quick crow]

I think hn3 is gonna be amazing on final release, all the progress theyve made so far is really cool.

[vagrant notch]

Like the more i know about how the game is gonna be the less i like it.

But i'm staying hopeful.

[quick crow]

Hey atleast its not like the trainwreck that was hello guest...

[river gyro]

very scary neighbor game

[vagrant notch]

It could have been so good ☠️

But no.

[quick crow]

BUT the hello neighbor 2 alpha 1.5 build was fun

[river gyro]

I miss Hello guest

[quick crow]

My fav part about playing the hn3 builds is that I get to make the ai glitch and the fact I can just sacrifice them to the forest dweller.

[vagrant notch]

My favorite part of HN3 is the characters designs they look nice, i just wish the locations had more effort put it in.

For example the concept of exploring a rundown Supermarket in Hello Neighbor is awesome. But it just looks really boring and uninteresting.

[quick crow]

Well after all it is a pre alpha

anyways im gonna go torture jacob by destorying everything in his house now

BUHBYE

[river gyro]

Jacob did not deserve this🤧

[brave thunder]

he did

[river gyro]

You're frigid, the #1 jacob hater

[trim reef]

mourning hn2 alpha 1.5

[stoic whale]

twisted like a pretzel

[winter lark]

I haven't gotten very far in the pre alpha tbh

i know that the baker blows himself up, and the guy working on his car can die too

there arent very clear objectives outside of the "go here" ones, like you can befriend the guy working on his car but the game doesn't tell you that

[lunar trail]

Yea because those aren't really objectives, they're more of something you can find out while you explore

[winter lark]

I mean... you definitely need to befriend that mechanic guy

because otherwise you cant get to the museum

[lunar trail]

You can actually

[winter lark]

if you eat something to speed up?

[lunar trail]

There's more than one ways you can do things, that includes going to the Museum

[lunar trail]

No

[winter lark]

well you can

[lunar trail]

I mean if you want, i guess you can also do that yea

but thats not what i was talkin about

[winter lark]

otherwise, you cant outrun the forest dwellers

[lunar trail]

You can find a lever to lower down the bridge

to the Museum

[winter lark]

after befriending the mechanic and he turns the lights on, are you supposed to be able to go straight to the museum?

because I tried after doing that and the forest dweller still detected me

after a while, the lights just stopped

[lunar trail]

Well you can avoid the Forest Dweller with a flashlight

[winter lark]

oh okay

I didnt know that

it would be cool if it worked like Foxy from The Joy of Creation

[lunar trail]

Use the turbo mode of the flashlight on him and he drops you

[winter lark]

how that works is you flash foxy and he gets stunned for a bit, then after a while he walks slowly then progressively gets faster

[winter lark]

yeah I think him working like foxy would definitely be beneficial

mainly the starts off slow and progressively gets faster (its more a rage thing, not an animatronic thing)

[lunar trail]

That's actually not a bad idea, You should put it in #1494695990832267396 or just tell Nikita

when he comes here

[winter lark]

is Nikita okay being pinged?

because there's no guarantee they'd see it otherwise

[lunar trail]

I don't think you should ping him, Just telling him when he's here would be fine i think

[winter lark]

I mean you kinda have to ping someone if you're talking to them

otherwise they dont see it?

[lunar trail]

I don't think that's really true

[winter lark]

if you send a message mentioning their name without a ping, they cannot see it

unless they're already in chat, looking at that channel

[lunar trail]

Yea that's why i say "when he's here"

[winter lark]

ok, and how am i supposed to know when he's here

unless, like I said, i'm in chat looking at the same channel he's typing in

[lunar trail]

Then just make a post in the pre alpha feedback chat, i dunno

[winter lark]

I already did

do you know how i'm supposed to get into the cable car managers office?

its just locked

this game doesnt seem to wanna use keys

[lunar trail]

iirc you can like reach it from a window

[winter lark]

you can't

[lunar trail]

or just use the sledgehammer on the door

[winter lark]

none of the windows have ledges or anything

if you befriend someone, you can just walk around their entire place, right?

[lunar trail]

I think yea

[winter lark]

okay cool

because then that will make getting the sledgehammer easier

i can just give the baker that cookbook

[rotund plaza]

Bruh

[civic totem]

Yep

[winter lark]

does anyone know how to befriend Covered? the one in the cable car place. or if it's even possible

all the others seem a bit more fleshed out with something about them, like the baker is sad about his wife, the guy near the grocery store is working on his car and also wants the final episode of that show

but Covered just kind of... walks around

and doesnt really do much of anything

[low gate]

noodle

anyway im sure she works like any other npc just hard to do

give a cake maybe that usually sorts them out

[winter lark]

you can give them cake?

[low gate]

yeah mostly if you look in supermarket theres tons of cake you just need to be close to them enough for your crosshair to glow then press the throw button to give

[winter lark]

table

[winter lark]

yeah that seemed to work, she's just wandering around randomly now

but do you have any clue on how to get to the weather station? i've been to all 4 locations and done the objectives, gave the supermarket guy the vhs tape, gave the baker the cookbook, got all the notes from the locations, now its telling me to go to the weather station and I have to find an ice cream stand near the amusement park section

which, if its near the path then I can't find it, and if its fully up near the amusement park, I can't go very far without being caught by mister monster

i guess its flashlight time

[low gate]

its long to get there the normal way but i have a quick way if you wanna hear it?

[winter lark]

is it by getting the lever for the cable car?

idk how to lower the bridge to the museum

if thats what you were getting at

[low gate]

no literally just give the guest a cake

thats the solution to everything

cake time

bait him out then give him the cake then you can wander freely

[winter lark]

oh lol

well im going to the museum anyway

[low gate]

yeah dont just listen to what i or anyone else says though do try and find your own way if you can definitely something that should be encouraged

[ionic bay]

Can you explain in more detail what they will do?

[ionic bay]

Did you make this? It's very beautiful Is this HN3 map or another map?

[ionic bay]

Are you developing an HN3 fan game? It looks great

[jolly mirage]

Peak house design

[winter lark]

Why did you dm me?

[jolly mirage]

Not a cliffhanger but a deep complex meta ending.

[low gate]

Just wondering how you were getting on with it lol

[winter lark]

that granny in the museum is driving me insane

[river gyro]

HN3 pre-alpha is ok

HN3 P3 is better tho

[low gate]

For me shes usually stuck

[tawny yoke]

I eish she actually went to start the firworks

[winter lark]

she's always just right where I am

if im hiding, nowhere to be seen

[river gyro]

historian has the worst AI ever

[winter lark]

but as soon as I come out she's there

[low gate]

I dont really understand her AI like the others it makes no sense to me

[winter lark]

to me it just seems like, you know how an AI has to know where you are so they can stay a bit away?

it seems like she just knows where yo are, and will not leave

[river gyro]

I am does grammar correction thing guy

[low gate]

shes very sensitive to noises i think so maybe be a little quiter

[winter lark]

sensitive to noises??? she's a granny

She's meant to be deaf

[low gate]

yeah good hearing like granny

grannys house i dont wanna stay

[river gyro]

Oh my gosh, nostalgia

hit me hard

[winter lark]

bro is 8 years old

[river gyro]

I still hate FGTeeV fandom

[winter lark]

if granny is nostalgia

[low gate]

granny was quite a while ago now lol

[winter lark]

9 years ago

[low gate]

yeah nearly a decade which is weird

[winter lark]

fr

[river gyro]

the game "Granny" is like over 9 year old

[winter lark]

funny, im listening to a song where he's just repeating "i'm not okay"

[winter lark]

literally just said that buddy

[celest plank]

maybe he is optimistic

[low gate]

well hes saying its more than 10 year when you didnt so i dunno when did it release again

[celest plank]

he would kill himself by now if not

considering his state

[river gyro]

Alrighty

[low gate]

yeah 2017

[winter lark]

it come out in 2017 so literally only 9

[river gyro]

Me? He?

what are you on, Mate😭

[winter lark]

nvm, I was right the first time

9 years old

[river gyro]

I never said that it was like more than 10 year, you damn mustardy brute

[winter lark]

"over 10 year old"

you definitely did

[river gyro]

Yeah, my mistake on that one

[winter lark]

it's cool

[low gate]

nothing mustard about me

what about bbq

[river gyro]

Yeah, you're Hoggo

[full rain]

hi

[river gyro]

hello, the HN2/AS guest

I said this as soon I seen your name

anyway, HN3 forest dweller is most likely Aaron

[scenic roost]

YOU CAN DO THAT?

i usually js stole enegry drinks from the bakery whilst getting the sledgehammer so i can outrun him

[river gyro]

All of you will die

there is no hiding

no one is safe

NO ONE

[tribal sinew]

Hi

[tribal sinew]

Is it possible to share theories here?

[high brook]

I didn’t expect to see you here lol

[crude ravine]

Im sad when i use it

[winter lark]

i've not been here long tbh

literally today

also ik ur from HL, from did I ever speak to you? i'm not sure....

[high brook]

Maybe very little but yea I’m from there

[winter lark]

nope, completely impossible... if you try, messages won't send, and if you try long enough Mister MatPat will appear to you as an apparition

[crude ravine]

U can talk anything about hn3 so yeah

[high brook]

Matpat is going to love dissecting this frame by frame 👀

[tribal sinew]

So which one is correct?

[high brook]

I swear if they start that again

You can share lore here but there is a separate lore channel

#lore-discussion

[winter lark]

Yes @MatPatGT you should totally reply to our DM

also no hate on tinybuild, but I read they were giving the original creator full rein?

tbh they can give someone full rein and still post beggy tweets

[high brook]

For hello neighbor 3 yes Nikita is the director of current project

[winter lark]

yeah I thought so

but tbh I found the tweets funny in a weird way lol

those tweets with a really good game would be top tier marketing

people talk about the tweets, assume the game is gonna be mediocre, play it, find out its awesome?

[high brook]

Hello neighbor 3 is trying to not be bad

So far the pre alpha makes it really promising

[winter lark]

yeah it looks really interesting

my only issue is the AI

i like having to work things out though, which is exactly what this pre alpha has going for it

but early gameplay can feel slow because you dont know about the things you can do for the baker or guy near supermarket

its kind of similar to Deathloop in that regard, where the game only tells you things when you find it yourself

[high brook]

Once you explore the whole map it will start to make sense

[winter lark]

the only area I haven't been to is the amusement park

unless there's more to the map

i've been trying to get the cable car lever at the museum but the granny is just way too annoying

[slender basin]

This isn't the support channel, it's the channel for discussing Hello Neighbor 3, but this should help you https://tinybuild.theymes.com/hc/en/hello-neighbor/articles/pc-the-game-crashes-at-start-17

If that doesn't help, please use the form on the website and our team will assist you

[pine marlin]

Hi Nikita,I really hope Hello Neighbor 3 includes an option to play as a male character to suit everyone's preference, similar to what you did back in the Hello Guest Pre-Alpha. Keep up the great work!

[brittle imp]

The way i did it was going in between the 2 buildings and taking the sign, climbing up and breaking a window, and stacking 2 boxes on the second floor

I have no idea how you'd get it in any other way without multiple crowbars and saws in order to break doors

[winter lark]

or the hammer

[brittle imp]

Yea that too

[quartz canopy]

what difference does it make

[thick tendon]

The second character is Leon Kennedy

[high brook]

I don’t think this is possible as it would affect narrative

[peak solar]

I think it's actually nice to have a different type of protagonist for once

[high brook]

YES

[high brook]

also i forgot to ask, what do you think of the games overall vibe and art style?

[winter lark]

its pretty good, I like it

i saw someone say that this cartoony style was intended from the beginning but it really isnt all that cartoony

I mean it is and it isn't, yk what I mean?

my guess is some of it is placeholder

[high brook]

most of it is placeholders

but the game used to be more stylized

it used to be called "rbo"

it was a hn multiplayer game that started off PVP but changed to CO OP

[winter lark]

yeah, raven brook online, right?

[high brook]

yea

they couldnt finish it though due to technical limitations i believe

[winter lark]

I think a coop game could still work

not in the same way as like, secret neighbor

[winter lark]

what a combination

im gonna be honest though, im unsure on the neighbor design...

but thats due to it looking so much like a comic book design and also looking nothing like his previous designs

[high brook]

hes also 85 now

[winter lark]

I just mean the style

[high brook]

yea

[winter lark]

you dont go from HN1 to HN3 design just from aging

[high brook]

true

but the design change is kinda refreshing

[winter lark]

no I mean yeah it looks great in its own way

he looks way creepier

i guess i was just expecting it to look more like HN2 Peterson, but with grey hair and slightly more gaunt

[untold grotto]

yeah hn3 is meant to have the "unfiltered raw HN" style

[winter lark]

someone online said that Aaron Peterson is the Guest in HN3?

[untold grotto]

thats how it seem like

[winter lark]

does it?

[untold grotto]

but we will see

[high brook]

yea theres some files that imply it

like guest sees neighbor as monster and neighbor sees guest as friend

like in hn2

[winter lark]

this version looks like a performative dancer

[high brook]

performative kidnapping

[winter lark]

performative napping

[wicked moth]

I wonder if Isaac's role will be changed in Alpha 1, becuase of the new "Core story"

[civic totem]

It probably woll

Will*

[gritty mist]

yo can she like piss off

ive been trying to do my quest she wont let me

[blissful zinc]

it's a different artist

[rotund panther]

hn3 poop

[blissful zinc]

the older neighbor design was drawn by nikita then redesigned by elena, but elena isn't involved with hn3

[blissful zinc]

nikita's art has a more sort of edgy look to it while elena's is more pixar-like

they're both phenomenal styles tho

[rigid jasper]

ladder, also to make the historian not angry at you try not to steal of break anything in the museum

[rigid jasper]

you could ||knock her out and throw her into the forest||

[gritty mist]

sweet

how do i do that

[ionic bay]

Any news?

[rigid jasper]

get like a chair or two and keep throwing those at her

[exotic pewter]

wouldnt the guest kill her tho

[rigid jasper]

yes thats the point

[exotic pewter]

you're just straight up evil

[gritty mist]

i would kill her if i had the chance

[ionic bay]

No?

[limpid pewter]

no

[exotic pewter]

I meant the guest

why does he randomly kill ppl for no reason

[rigid jasper]

i mean if im trying to beat pre-alpha quickly and janusz decides to chase me all around town im just putting him behind the fence that leads to the forest

[pseudo spoke]

Vandals like ||game consoles and no entry signs||, so you can be friends with her that way
(If you haven't gotten her killed yet)

[rigid jasper]

oh damn you can befriend them???

[brittle imp]

She's aggressive by default for me, even just by being in the museum

[untold grotto]

you can befriend with everyone

[rigid jasper]

even neighbor?

[untold grotto]

yes

[rigid jasper]

woag how

i need to chill with him in weather station

[untold grotto]

there should be some items he likes but i dont specifically know them

[rigid jasper]

maybe photos? because i saw him become passive in loodgacks video after they gave him the photo

[rigid jasper]

have you made sure to not break anything in her house either? bc if not she might just hate your guts for no reason

[untold grotto]

though it might be because of his ai being barebones

[gritty mist]

Can someone PLEASE tell me where bob is at

[untold grotto]

how many notes did you find

[gritty mist]

thx

[gritty mist]

idk

[rigid jasper]

theres 4

[untold grotto]

like what does it say when you press tab

[gritty mist]

0 I think

[rigid jasper]

alr

[untold grotto]

yeah you have to check the places listed

you can start with anywhere you want

[rigid jasper]

btw stockroom is in the vent behind grocery store

[gritty mist]

i have like this note

[untold grotto]

its a side quest

the main point of the game is explore so you have to explore the places thats listed in your objectives tab

you will find bob eventually

[gritty mist]

what does he look like

incase i miss him

[tawny yoke]

does she even has a house

[rigid jasper]

yes

[tawny yoke]

or is it the cable car thing

[untold grotto]

the house where you get the bridge lever is hers

[brittle imp]

I just sprint directly to the museum after eating the cakes at the supermarket in order to be faster than guest, if i even open the door she's aggro

[tawny yoke]

oh my bad

[rigid jasper]

uh you need to go into her house to access museum unless you complete jacob quest

[tawny yoke]

I thought the talk was about covered 😭

[untold grotto]

i think they are going on the forest path

without making jacob fix lights though

[rigid jasper]

lemme check if that makes her aggressive

[untold grotto]

i think she is just aggressive because you are in her property

[ionic bay]

Jacob doesn't dare go to the cinema (it might be because of the vandals)

[gritty mist]

also is it just laggy for me or for everyone else

[rigid jasper]

yeah but uh ive never had problem of her becoming angry at me for no reason

[untold grotto]

which settings you are playing at and what is your specs

[tawny yoke]

medium settings are really smooth for me

[untold grotto]

yeah

[tawny yoke]

high settings are alright but sometimes the motion blur does its thing

[untold grotto]

i actually started with medium and then tried auto settings game gave me

[untold grotto]

it was a mix of high-medium settings

[untold grotto]

whats your specs

[tawny yoke]

I should try that

[ionic bay]

How much FPS are you getting?

[tawny yoke]

it's kind of crazy how the graphics really change if you switch between medium and high

like major differences from what I remember

[untold grotto]

well i didnt check it but it was fine for me

im not usually someone who experiences FPS problems in games anyway

[gritty mist]

its bosnian so dont mind

[untold grotto]

maybe try auto settings

[gritty mist]

are my specs good?

[gritty mist]

oh ITS smoother

thanks

[untold grotto]

yeah its sufficient

[tawny yoke]

thank you auto settings

[gritty mist]

this guy expects me to save him

what a loser

[untold grotto]

i personally think they should remove befriending with forest dweller

and the neighbor

[gritty mist]

what do i do with these 2

[gritty mist]

u can befriend them??

[untold grotto]

you can actually save them

as a sidequest

[gritty mist]

do i get anything in return

[untold grotto]

yep

[gritty mist]

dude omd the forest dweller

EVERYTHING RESET??!?!?

[exotic pewter]

you can befriend the neighbor?

[untold grotto]

well your items and npcs is

but your progress stays

[exotic pewter]

I thought he just doesnt attack you unless you take any of his items

[rigid jasper]

same

[gritty mist]

now how do i enter the stockroom

in the supermarket

[rigid jasper]

behind supermarket, get the ladder and a crowbar

there should be a vent

[gritty mist]

i see the vent

[rigid jasper]

that you can break open with crowba

[gritty mist]

where do i find the crowbar now

[rigid jasper]

hotel

in the room behind reception

[gritty mist]

can i use a saw instead?

[crude ravine]

Yes but its very weak to wood planks

[gritty mist]

i need it for the vent

behind the supermarket

[crude ravine]

Probably it'll work

Just try

[untold grotto]

i think giving him food should work

because every npc has same ai base

and foods are giving a + value

to every character

yep it worked

[vagrant notch]

I don't even see the point of the friendship mechanic, what does it add?

[untold grotto]

they do not attack you

[tawny yoke]

I think it will play much bigger role in the future

because it is part of butterfly effect mechanic I suppose

won't the npcs that are friends with you shield and protect you from enemies

I think it was mentioned in one of the devlogs

I think it was with iris and jacob

[civic totem]

Yeah

[rigid jasper]

yes i really hope that happens because it really does feel like its just you against the world

[tawny yoke]

yeahh

hopefully revamped ai will be a lot better

[rigid jasper]

yeah

[tawny yoke]

also I think it would kind of make sense for the npcs do take the thing you got from them

[rigid jasper]

i cant wait to have signed be humbled by iris (if shes ever added back)

[tawny yoke]

instead of pursuing you to the edge of the universe

[rigid jasper]

lwk im pretty sure you can kill janusz without ever laying a finger on him if he sees you and you lure him into the forest

[tawny yoke]

well his fault I hope one stolen banana was worth it

[rigid jasper]

also for some reason "activating" the guest with E makes him teleport

[civic totem]

That's weird

[wild girder]

I honestly think it's the best design of the neighbor

[tawny yoke]

I do think the same

it's for sure the best redesign for me

[tawny yoke]

doesnt that have something to do with grabbing him

because I think it happened to me when I stunned him and tried to grab him

it kind of showed him being in my arms for split second

and then he teleported

probably to one of his origin points

[rigid jasper]

i dont think so, you can do it when hes upright too.

[tawny yoke]

oh

wonder why that happens

maybe lack of any interaction code

[wild girder]

What do you mean "Activate with E"

[tawny yoke]

probably just interacting with him

by pressing E key

[tawny yoke]

soundtrack is so beautiful in this game

I think it really gives the feeling of a memory of some kind

this onereally does it

[high brook]

isnt hn3 suppost to feel like a memory though?

im pretty sure nikita said this

[tawny yoke]

yeah

I meant like the sountrack gives off this feeling really good

[night vigil]

I also love this one.

[high brook]

SAMMEEE

This is the first one we heard after all

[night vigil]

Idk why, but it reminds me of that one theme you get when defeating The Thing in Hello Neighbor.

[high brook]

I wanna learn that track on guitar

[night vigil]

Only the beginning tho

[high brook]

Not the ambient 7 the trailer theme for p3 I meant

<@&1162799252192379000>

Bro crypto scams are so stupid

Genuinely how do you fall for them

[slender basin]

Most of these are accounts that were hacked through other means; it’s not their fault.
We have an alert system for the mods, and they’re usually removed quickly. Thank you!

[ionic bay]

Devlog 3 version is the best the in the middle thing

[queen rain]

As a kid I loved these games but the new art style isnt my thing

I feel like having the people as purple, orange, blue, etc is a mistake

[blissful river]

I disagree

I think it looks completely fine lol

[rigid jasper]

yeah its to add to the uncanny atmosphere

also gives them a lot more personality

[quick crow]

funfact: Signed has an unused running animation and its literally just this....

[high brook]

rbo leftover most likely

[median talon]

Why Ts so euphoric 👀

[stoic whale]

What is this

[quick crow]

gameplay of a hn3 fangame im working on

[stoic whale]

this looks sweet do you have a link to it

[quick crow]

Oh its not released yet

Its still in very early development

[stoic whale]

dang

[river gyro]

Yes

[river gyro]

Aaron is most likely the guest soo

[river gyro]

I will gladly kidnap you and give you ptsd until 30 year, where you face your fear and become nicky roth

[river gyro]

No

[river gyro]

Correction: the neighbor can't be befriended

[river gyro]

the neighbor can't be befriended🤦‍♂️

[river gyro]

No

[untold grotto]

i just did that in game

[river gyro]

Nikita once said that the neighbor can't be befriended

[untold grotto]

and yet

the game has it

because they use same ai base

[river gyro]

He is already chill, that's why.

[untold grotto]

so what

[untold grotto]

no it is nor

he should attack you when you steal his items

and he didnt when i gave him 4 bananas

[quick crow]

FALSE! The neighbor is hostile until you befriend him.

[river gyro]

He was pretty chill before I even befriended him sooo

unless I touch his stuff, and he'll be hostile toward me.

[quick crow]

for me even if I just casually make one noise outside his house he comes for me

[river gyro]

mhm

[river gyro]

is this a bugs

[bronze cloak]

tbh hopefully they give this mcdonalds protagonist worker a holding animation whenever the mcdonalds worker holds a item

[winter lark]

yeah thats what I just said

[unique harbor]

guys

one quick q

did anyone play hello guest

[winter lark]

i did

[unique harbor]

how do i get to the mountain

[narrow gust]

I'm pretty sure he used this sometimes in proto 2

[unique harbor]

@winter lark

how do u get to the mountain

[winter lark]

huh?

you mean the museum?

[unique harbor]

no in the hello guest

[river gyro]

He was talking about HG

[winter lark]

oh

er it was a really long time ago

so idk

[river gyro]

search up a tutorial.

[unique harbor]

i cant open youtube

[river gyro]

okay

[unique harbor]

so what do i do

[tawny yoke]

God the music is so incredibly good in this franchise

I also really like the main menu theme

Really fits hn3 mood

[pine marlin]

Hi Nikita,I really hope Hello Neighbor 3 includes an option to play as a male character to suit everyone's preference, similar to what you did back in the Hello Guest Pre-Alpha. Keep up the great work!

[winter lark]

didn't you already post this?

like, yesterday?

[pine marlin]

But I want to make sure he read it.

[winter lark]

ping him??

[pine marlin]

Yes

[winter lark]

im suggesting that you should ping him, rather than posting multiple times

[pine marlin]

How ?

[winter lark]

by @pine marlin

like that

[pine marlin]

Oh okay thanks

[winter lark]

but idk, some people dont like to be pinged

[pine marlin]

Your right

[severe merlin]

Interesting idea! Current narrative is built around one character, it's impossible to add another main character without reworking whole story. To be honest, it's impossible to please everyone's preference, so the best we can do is to make something we believe in and hope it's resonates with people! 🙂

[winter lark]

in case the name confuses you, that's Nikita

just, fyi

[pine marlin]

Well thanks for the reply. Keep up the great work.

[pine marlin]

Yeah, it is.

[winter lark]

hey just curious to hear your thoughts, but could you take a look at my idea for the forest dweller? I posted about it here https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/1504053108941262982

[quartz canopy]

but what for

what difference does it make

[winter lark]

I think its more for the guys that "don't wanna be a woman"

[unique harbor]

@winter lark

<t:1778752010:R>

[winter lark]

bro why did u ping me?

[tawny yoke]

I think this is not that type of game to have 2 different protagonists just for the gender stuff

[ionic bay]

Hey Nikita, could you please share some new news soon?

[eager glade]

no

[winter lark]

it just feels a bit pointless to have different characters to play as

its like being given the option to play as a woman in halo

[tawny yoke]

that too

it's just doesnt really work here if alma plays a huge role in the story

you can't just replace her with her male counterpart

albert or something

[narrow gust]

Why do people even care? The only real difference in gameplay is the shadow

[winter lark]

exactly

personally I like playing as a woman, but it still doesn't make a difference

[primal wedge]

hn3 take events at <t:1835431200:s>

[crude ravine]

it would break the story

[hoary heath]

Bro no

[bold siren]

I need a hello neighbor teaser.
I'm in Hello-Neighbor-Teaser abstinence

[bold siren]

Ok...
So Alma being female is important.

[untold grotto]

quick idea but maybe its why her father is deleting her in one mistake

like hes type of people who thinks women cannot take on major roles

[bold siren]

I would use a GIF of the penguins of Madagascar, but I don't find the version in English

[exotic pewter]

if thats the case, he wouldnt have given her the role of vice president

[high brook]

I think it’s just the character as a whole

If anything was changed whole narrative would change

[celest plank]

is this canon

[grand tartan]

DRIVING IN MY CAR

[tawdry pollen]

it would be cool if the rollecaoster would be working.

[bold siren]

I mean, if Alma being female wasn't important, idk why we couldn't have an alternative timeline where Alberto Hoffman is the son of the GA company.

[untold grotto]

this just fits with what nativo said

almira being female is part of her character and that it wouldnt work with her being a male

[untold grotto]

i would say pretty much

[bold siren]

Never trust a non-full-version canon.
But that doesn't mean it isn't canon, just know that it may be changed

[untold grotto]

☝🏻, though pre alpha is confirmed to be "canon" story they will go with

[tawny yoke]

I think it's just unnecessary perhaps

[celest plank]

there are stuff from prototype 3 that are canon so

[bold siren]

The bases may be canon, but not the whole thing.
Also, that scene is from proto 3, so what I say still correct

[untold grotto]

yeah i wasnt talking about the scene i was talking about "never trust non full versions"

since like pre alpha confirmed to being part of full games narrative

[severe merlin]

Something from P3 might be canon, but it's best to use pre-Alpha as a foundation. Since this iteration has finalized (canon) story concept.

[bold siren]

I don't trust non full version since HN1, beta 3 was the family story line and then we got the full game with a completely different one.
So I never fully trust a non full version canon

[untold grotto]

well how about that specific scene

[celest plank]

i think

the events of prototype 3 arent canon

just what they show is

[severe merlin]

I don't give comments on narrative, sorry

[bold siren]

Mmmm, so the ritual thing that is not even planned in pre alpha isnt canon? Or it's just because Isaac isnt there?

[severe merlin]

pre Alpha doesn't contain WHOLE narrative. But what it has is more or less (ish) canon. Other elements of the story in progress to be added

[untold grotto]

why was the historian quest was unfinished in pre alpha, i think the build was meant to have it but it was not implemented

like there isnt even a fireworks in the game

[celest plank]

there isnt? i was confused on why she didnt do it

[untold grotto]

i searched it up all of her house in one of my playthroughs and it wasnt there

[eager glade]

i have a question

you said in devlog 2 the map will be bigger if you deliver more houses is that still a thing till now

[severe merlin]

It's all comes down to the limited resources we have. We got to prioritize.

[celest plank]

nikita will the guest mechanics be similar in the future builds

we kinda dont like how he works

[ionic bay]

Will the next building still only feature the core story?

[severe merlin]

Generally size of the map won't change, but houses that present there can be added, removed or changed. So we update, replace and remove houses, but it's hard early to say exactly the amount of all the locations atm.

[severe merlin]

For now we focus on the core story only.

[eager glade]

okay thank you for answering

[severe merlin]

What you saw in pAlpha is just a small slice of it.

[untold grotto]

what is the point of the next build, for pre alpha it was clarity, but how about the next build

[ionic bay]

So the story will be bigger in the next version

[eager glade]

i think every small build will have a small slice because its literally on alpha or pre alpha stages

[severe merlin]

We are improving on the Guest. So it's going to be better for sure. It will be in the same ballpark but more interesting.

[celest plank]

i really hope the guest won't be just an obstacle

[eager glade]

i wonder what the improvement is maybe stalking you while your inside building we dont knoww'

[ionic bay]

That's a good question

[celest plank]

speaking of which i was wondering if the artstyle of devlog 4 had any meaning

[crude ravine]

My friend asking; What improvements (like gameplay mechanics) you did or you will in the next version?

[ionic bay]

Are you writing the continuation of the story? Report 13 continuation

[celest plank]

because devlog 3 was demonstrating hn3 gameplay so well

[severe merlin]

Not continuation, but depth. What you saw in pAlpha was a VERY short and simplified version of the WHOLE story.

[ionic bay]

Are you planning to introduce a side story?

[high brook]

I wonder when we We will get to see that new character, or even a part of it

[hoary heath]

Who write selling piano

It everywhere

[civic totem]

It was me

[severe merlin]

We plan for many side stories. But due to resource limits we focus solely on core story, for now.

[celest plank]

nikit i somehow found ur reply what do you mean time is limited

[ionic bay]

Will the ENTIRE story be in the next version?

[untold grotto]

theres a deadline

thats what that means

[celest plank]

hoh what

[bold siren]

Damn, I can wait for alpha 1 or pre-alpha 2. Whatever comes next

[celest plank]

reall y hope they wont rush it

[high brook]

I feel like they would only rush it if it was an emergency

[celest plank]

i dont understand deadlines in general

[bold siren]

Something that I've been asking myself is if the game would have multiple days or it will always happen in one day.
Like maybe when you finish objetive one of day one you can progress to day two and everything you did is saved till this point.
It would be like the acts or stuff

[ionic bay]

Nikita is gone, unfortunately🙁

[high brook]

I’m pretty sure Nikita said the game was one day only

[celest plank]

itll be just one day

they settled on 30 mins per session

[bold siren]

Do you have a SS?

[high brook]

No

I’m really sure he said it though

[celest plank]

he did

[high brook]

I wonder what it’s like working on a game like this

[near hawk]

I think this is it

[near hawk]

It's a probably

[bold siren]

Mmm.
Idk if I like it though, I'll have to wait and see the full game

[near hawk]

I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 more days but only If they decreased time for each day

But it wouldn't make much of a difference so

30 Minutes feels like a good amount of time

[high brook]

I wonder what happened to the “devlog every 4 to 8 weeks” thing (I don’t know if he ever said this)

[blissful zinc]

Nikita this is slightly off topic but if you get the chance can you send the personality you used for mr peterson in tomodachi life

i wanna make sure mine is set properly

[near hawk]

He did say that BuB

[celest plank]

i think devlogs kinda evolved into an announcement of a new build

theyre on a bigger scale now

[untold grotto]

yeah

[high brook]

Yea but I still feel like smaller more frequent seconds would be cool

Maybe the .5 devlogs will return

[rancid widget]

Guys, I have a question that's been bothering me for days. In HN1, when Nicky sneaked into the neighbor's basement, it was quite large, but in HN2, when Quentin went down to the neighbor's basement, it was very small. What could be the reason for this?

[celest plank]

i mean realistically theres nothing to talk about in between builds

[celest plank]

i think hn1 basement represented nicky being lost and confused

thats my theory at least

[untold grotto]

neighbor blocked the passage

[civic totem]

Yes

[glad apex]

Can we get a mill in hn3?

[celest plank]

rumble on the mill

[civic totem]

The mill has fallen

[wicked moth]

That's great. Question: Is the story progresion going to have more depth? For instance, is there going to be other quests aside from collecting notes? (I enjoyed that, but if the entire full game is about collecting notes, it could get repetitive)

Also, is the festival and/or Isaac sacrifice going to return?

[bronze cloak]

Also, if u don’t mind will the player mechanics in hn3 alpha 1 be like the hn2 like when jumping into a fence the player jumps to it, maybe bring back old stuff but resemble it into the game!

[rigid jasper]

uh theres a destroyed sawmill in town soooo

[wicked moth]

Where?

[rigid jasper]

its the thing with the smokestack, its mostly a pile of ruins now

the files refer to it as a sawmill

[rancid widget]

Guys, I have a question: What happened to Quentin at the end of HN2, or who hit him?

I think the guest saved him.

[pine marlin]

We should have known this in HN2 patch 10

[pine marlin]

I think that , because it appears in one of tiny build videos

[crude ravine]

Forest protectors

He kidnapped by them but after that a storm came and ruined the town. Probably quentin escaped or died

[near hawk]

Not a HN3 thing

But yeah the guest did save him from a ritual, he was took there by cultists

[crude ravine]

Im confused at this point, he saved quentin in layout blah blah video but in guest is coming trailer video, he attacks to quentin

[pine marlin]

You know, that's weird. The person the cult believes in is the one who saved Quentin

[crude ravine]

Guest is not a forest protector

[pine marlin]

but he is the one the denomination believes in

[crude ravine]

Cultists believes urban legend

There is urban legend guest and fake guest

[tawny yoke]

is there even cultists in hn3

[crude ravine]

Nah

[pine marlin]

That explains a lot

[crude ravine]

I mean

Not forest protectors but we can say vandals are cultists

In hn3

[pine marlin]

Maby we could see a New cultists

[tawny yoke]

hopefully not tbh

personally the cultists were too much

[pine marlin]

I hope they explained what happened to The old one

[tawny yoke]

I think teenagers believing the thing that lurks in the forest and kills people is the actual god everyone believe in is way better

[pine marlin]

Nah personally I don't like that

[crude ravine]

In hn3?

[pine marlin]

Yes

[crude ravine]

Nikita said there will be no more vandals

[pine marlin]

Good

Then They should explained what happened to The old one

[crude ravine]

But maybe a town people may be cultist. I dont think it but why not

[pine marlin]

I think that

Because it is mentioned in more than one place to cancel rituals or celebrate a specific thing

[untold grotto]

its a town tradition rather than a cult

[quaint dagger]

Jesus christ @crude ravine

[plucky rune]

hello i finded a bug its not games breaking but its weird

ik its in play test but it was funny

[ionic bay]

hi this is my new friend

[plucky rune]

omg

[ionic bay]

he has so sweet animations

[plucky rune]

why is he crying

[ionic bay]

his wife died

[near hawk]

And supermarket shut down

[ionic bay]

yep

[plucky rune]

oh

should i rage bait him

now i dont now where to go

[civic totem]

Oh wow

[misty reef]

does the oil actually do anything??

i dont think it makes npc slips but idk

[ionic bay]

This isn't a bug, Janusz is preventing you from logging in and kicking you out Animations might still be missing

[small patrol]

hey guys.....

[civic totem]

I think it can

[round bough]

is neighbor gonna be just a side character in this or not

[gleaming acorn]

obviously not, it's the neighbor

he's living in the weather-manipulating weather station right now, clearly he's up to no good

(at least i'm fairly sure it controls the weather)

[fair sentinel]

just started the game and i have no idea what to do

room 204 is locked

jk found saws to break it open

[celest plank]

breaking doors isnt really efficient

try finding other ways to enter rooms

[restive oxide]

it does

just not all the time

[winter lark]

you can also find something in the bakery to help you

saws are not great for breaking doors because it takes a lot of them

like 2 I think, which isnt a lot but in this game it is

[severe merlin]

There one thing about the game that we poorly explained to the players. Hopefully we’ll be able to do so in the future, but in a nutshell:
Game is about finding shortcuts and optimizing. There is always multiple ways to reach your goal and all of them faster and more interesting than breaking the door itself 🙂 Game is about freedom of exploration. So, if you see a door, blocking your path, try to use window, for example.

This led players to get frustrated, because they think they have to repeat all tedious actions, like throwing a chair at the door to break it. But in reality, any location can be reached in under a minute (roughly), and exploration and open-mindness helps to find these routes 🙂
We working now on how to explain this to the players so they have as much fun as we do, playing the game

[winter lark]

actually yeah, that's what I did lmao, I jumped out the window haha

I mentioned the bakery because it doesn't give away one of the goals that way, they would still need to find out what to do

players just need that little push to say "look, this is the right way" without directly being told "Hey! Grab this item right here! do you want us to make it glow?"

so if I said "oh you can jump out the window btw" then thats given it away

[severe merlin]

This is impossible, this is the opposite of what we do. There is no “right” way. Yes, there are many ways we added consciously, there are many ways emerged that we know of and many more ways we’re not even aware of.
Sign says “the right way is the one you walk”. That’s the motto of the game. We want players to have real exploration that works naturally, rather than teach players to look for highlights and that will show them where exactly to go and take away all exploration.

We placed inviting path out of the window near room 204, so players in the first playthrough, would use this to initiate exploration. But we were wrong and people kept throwing chairs at the door , it’s not player fault of course. It’s something we got to explain better

[winter lark]

no i mean, what I mean is that there are definitely multiple ways to do things, and I assume you want players to find their own ways, but some players need a push to be able to find out they can do certain things, if you get what I mean

like for example, players might not know they can open windows, or break windows, etc

not all players will be past Hello Neighbor fans, for example I havent played much of the previous iterations of HN3 so I didn't know you could befriend some of the people as that knowledge wasn't in my head beforehand, some players might never figure that out

but yeah I totally get what you mean about not wanting to take away exploration, because I assume your final goal will be a big (ish) built up world that people can just explore and find stuff out as they go, without being told things like "oh, you can break through this window to get this item"

[severe merlin]

Yes. That’s the idea. To find a way to nudge players into natural exploration without taking away their decisions

[celest ravine]

Will there be a definitive story that can be reached with different paths?

Or will everything change depending on the path?

[severe merlin]

Not sure I understand your question. Can you rephrase it?

[celest ravine]

Like, will there be one real, canon story and lore?

Or will it change depending on how you finish the game?

If a character gets kidnapped or killed but it doesn't really affect gameplay, will it change the outcome?

[severe merlin]

Oh, ok now I got it. But can’t comment on that. This goes to much in to the story.

[celest ravine]

Oh ok

I've seen some people ask if you'll be able to befriend Theodore, tho I think not, will there be a way?

[winter lark]

yeah that's what I thought

[wild girder]

The only times I resorted to breaking a door was if it had a board on but I couldn't find any more crowbars or saws nearby so I had to just throw items at it. or if I physically couldn't find any other way to enter a room or unlock a door, I would just sledgehammer it open. But apart from those two scenarios, I could get past any locked or blocked door without having to break it.

I definitely think giving some of the items a bit more durability would help that because I did find myself struggling to get past boarded doors often due to my crowbars breaking.

[pine marlin]

I'm just wondering, Will there be a barrier between the forest and the city so that the atmosphere changes once it crosses this barrier?

I also hope you add the build mechanics you use in Patch 9 that it serves the game system in my view

[severe merlin]

It is there already, since at least P3. Maybe not strong enough

[pine marlin]

What about patch 9 mechanics

[winter lark]

the only 2 doors I use the sledgehammer on is the cable car managers office but I think you can jump round a ledge on the outside? and maybe one other door but I can't remember

[keen hemlock]

how is the development on the butterfly effect going?

[severe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/difficult-very-difficult-try-to-decide-hard-choice-having-trouble-gif-14894981

[civic totem]

[primal wedge]

then remove ability to destroy doors

[lunar trail]

that'd kinda go against the freedom they're going for

[primal wedge]

it's a joke

[neon ether]

Hello, Nikita! How are you? Are you even resting? Hah

[primal wedge]

nikita working hard

like slave

[ionic bay]

Have you finished Alma Hoffman's 3D model?

[neon ether]

It would be fun to add a companion dog to the game that would bring us lost items (for example, if we had a screwdriver in our hands and lost it, we could command the dog to find it), similar to Nikita's dog. However, we first need to tame the dog in the city.

Or to save the dog from vandals

[primal wedge]

#1494695990832267396

[wicked moth]

I took the window in my playthrough.

[celest plank]

it really is not hard to understand that breaking doors is not as effective as finding another way in

[severe merlin]

Thing is, people do not know how game expected to be played, since we poorly communicated it.
When people stumble upon locked door, they have a dilemma - either game just made poorly and tedious ||(especially after P3, where it was much easier to break doors)||, or there is another ways to get behind a locked door.
Since usually video games do not have total freedom, like HN3 does, players usually expect more straightforward experience. And since there is also a “health”bar on the door, people naturally think that they have to break the door.

[celest plank]

i guess thats valid

[lone tangle]

i think its great that theres so much option in a simple thing as entering property

[celest plank]

people expect hn3 to be like the other games and i hope that changes with more clarity

its still sort of frustrating cause like the entire premise of the game is to explore and it's clear about it right now as it is

even the steam page says what hn3 is

[eager glade]

I wish there was a way they can watch the devlogs

[celest plank]

you kind of should know what the game's about if youre gonna download it

[lone tangle]

100% sinse not everyone is as involvel in the community as we are your every day non super fans players will be confussed on whith us what is the simpliest thing like the mayak or evn golden apple as a whole

[celest plank]

they should be shown on the main menu

[lone tangle]

what nearly a decads worth of lore lol and plus that would ruin a lot of theories

[bronze steppe]

true

[bronze steppe]

o yeahh

thats a good idea

[celest plank]

whsat

i mean there is a qr code

but like

honestly i shouldnt even talk about this

the ui update will be in the next build

[frosty gyro]

i want them to pop up on the tv screens instead of the static

[severe merlin]

There is a QR code in the main menu that lead to the playlist with all episodes

[eager glade]

Yeah

And it was as well bit just with a qr code there should be like a photo of the thumbnail and when they click it the devlog plays

[eager glade]

I can actually see that happening

[celest plank]

hopefully it's gonna be more visible and eye catching 😭

[lone tangle]

in short most players that arent super fans whont knwo the lore

[celest plank]

the devlogs are like so important while the game's in the works

[celest plank]

the devlogs arent about the lore though

[lone tangle]

im not on about the devlogs

[lone tangle]

im just saying as a whole 🙂

[eager glade]

Would you put the thumbnail as well so they may get interested in the devlogs I think its a good idea

[lone tangle]

new comers would be so confused at the sight of ga or the guest or the mayak why theres a statue so on so fourth

[light tapir]

nikita how long will the final game be

[celest plank]

its not like pre alpha or any other builds focused on ui much anyway

i hope its gonna look good in the future

[lone tangle]

i have faith

[eager glade]

Next build will have good ui

so ye

[celest plank]

hn3 is designed to like

ye

[lone tangle]

no i know but i can still imagion people getting upset u know hat people can be like

[celest plank]

you dont have to know the lore of the franchise since this game is kind of like really disconnected from it

[near hawk]

A statue is like basically a HN3 thing only no

Mayak is also pretty much explained for HN3 as the first building of Golden Apple and a weather station

[celest plank]

i mean that reaction's inevitable with any game out there but ultimately you just need to explore to find the lore of hn3

[near hawk]

Golden apple is a famous company

Nothing seems very confusing for newcomers

[lone tangle]

justy i know what people can be like if they dont think its crystrall clear they start getting mad or thinking the games silly for the guest think about it if u didnt knwo

[lone tangle]

no they have done a very good job