hn3-discussion

[cobalt burrow]

😟

[near hawk]

I bet he's beating up Jacob there

[pulsar cradle]

BRO

[cobalt burrow]

does it say 6...what?

[crude ravine]

SIX SEVEN!!!

[near hawk]

67, it said

[pulsar cradle]

Sorry BUT STOP

STOP SPOILING

[crude ravine]

Im gonna kidnap jacop then

[pulsar cradle]

AMA tell Nikita u sent that

[crude ravine]

It was a joke every1 knows that

[pulsar cradle]

Fake?

[crude ravine]

Wdym to say "ama"

[pulsar cradle]

Answer my question first

[crude ravine]

Yes its fake

[cobalt burrow]

imma

[pulsar cradle]

Sent that picture so I can save it

[cobalt burrow]

dont.

[pulsar cradle]

I’m bad at English

[pulsar cradle]

No seriously

[cobalt burrow]

i dont got it

[pulsar cradle]

Sent it to north of us then

It looks cool

[crude ravine]

I put it one of the channels in this server

[pulsar cradle]

What channel 🥲

[crude ravine]

Try to find urself

[pulsar cradle]

What if it’s old and I need to scroll up in every channel

[crude ravine]

No i shared it 1 min ago

[pulsar cradle]

Found it

[cobalt burrow]

which channel

[pulsar cradle]

Try to find it urself

[cobalt burrow]

alr 😭

[crude ravine]

#ai-space

[pulsar cradle]

Imagine being a tester here

[crude ravine]

I dont wanna be annoying anymore

[cobalt burrow]

right, thanks

[pulsar cradle]

Fun fact: why does singed has a sign on his face?

[cobalt burrow]

cuz his name is signed

[pulsar cradle]

Isn’t that weird?

[crude ravine]

Artstyle

[cobalt burrow]

i mean it is but like maybe for cool fact or a dark secret behind it?

[near hawk]

Not really a fun fact but yeah, artstyle as eșșek said

[crude ravine]

A question too, why coned has a cone on his head

[cobalt burrow]

artstyle

[crude ravine]

Think story wise

[cobalt burrow]

hm

artstyle

[near hawk]

Imitating forest dweller appearance ig

[crude ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-hands-gif-5686777716953555005

[pulsar cradle]

Question why does the neighbor keep kidnapping kids

WHOEVER KNOW THE REAL STORY UR AN OG

[cobalt burrow]

cuz he's hello neighbour

[crude ravine]

Correct

[cobalt burrow]

well joking its cuz of grief

cuz of the accident he lost his kid and wife

idk exactly tho

[cobalt burrow]

what happened to jacob

[crude ravine]

Died

[high brook]

jacob sucks at driving bro

can we bring p2 jacob back yall

[narrow gust]

How does he even crash this time?

[high brook]

lights arent on so he swerves and hits a pole

[crude ravine]

I think this is placeholder

[cobalt burrow]

makes sense

and he painted car red so he could not see through glass

[brave thunder]

the car is only red after crashing tho

[cobalt burrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thragg-regent-thragg

why is he flaoting

[brave thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1494713679784972329/1496854653558853755/image.png?ex=69ee0907&is=69ecb787&hm=7ce49b8b546b1620327149b96ade1232232c67f1970fb473619bae8b3520aa70&
he just has the ability

[tawny yoke]

wasn't it on purpose

I think him hitting a pole was his aspect of the lore

[untold grotto]

i dont think so

[tawny yoke]

I just thought this was about him hitting a pole

but maybe its about why he took the car it makes more sense my bad 😭

[grim lark]

Taking car to places

[brave thunder]

he wanted to crash into the cinema to break the walls

so he don't have to walk all the way inside and get beaten up by signed

[civic totem]

True

[brave thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378797475930050732/1383080294705397800/Hn3Ai.gif

[grim lark]

Im saving this gif

[brave thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436024529540485326/1438934838206926980/caption.gif

[near hawk]

Same but sadly won't use on here because no embeds

[grim lark]

Yeah same

[tall sorrel]

Diane Peterson, circa 1995:

[brave thunder]

Jacob did it all

[crude ravine]

Np (my internet blew up and dc sends it rn 🤦‍♂️)

[civic totem]

Did you guys know the Pre-Alpha playtest is apparently set to end on October 17?

[near hawk]

More reasons to kill Jacob

[brave thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385599177148465214/1439213064460177460/Image_1763205522188.gif

[near hawk]

What was it for prototype 3 again

[civic totem]

October

[near hawk]

I saw that

[civic totem]

BRUH

[brave thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299615821018169397/1378339012615344148/togif.gif

tbh i liked jacob's model more

[zinc delta]

how old is the neighbor in hn3?

he look old

[near hawk]

85

[zinc delta]

WOW

large time skip

im guessing then...

[near hawk]

Right here

[near hawk]

Yeah, HN3 is in 2028

[zinc delta]

that hn3 is the last one in the franchise, main storyline at least

aint no way he survivin past that age

[near hawk]

Yeah.

Actually wait no Teddy will survive to 500 i trust in him

[zinc delta]

bruh what 😭

[near hawk]

What

[zinc delta]

we need nikita to confirm if he has biblical aging

[near hawk]

Did i stutter

[empty shuttle]

why do you hate Jacob? Personal preference?

[crude ravine]

prolly he hates bc he is so annoying in pre alpha

[near hawk]

He keeps throwing stuff at me and terrorising people with his lawnatrons

[deft summit]

the Pre-Alpha made him a nuisance

[flat tinsel]

sup, how's the investigation into the goose guy going

[near hawk]

He's not a goose in HN3 😞

[crude ravine]

look at this masterpiece! Most quality game i even seen

[cobalt burrow]

Imma try to play 115 in gc1

General voice thing

[untold grotto]

is like the bridges name is "Privet Bridge" or its just a typo of Private Bridge

[near hawk]

The hello bridge we all deserved

[vapid girder]

does anyone know where the ice cream booth is'

[untold grotto]

it is near the ferris wheel

[vapid girder]

okay thanks

[cobalt burrow]

Guys anyone wanna hear some guitar

[crude ravine]

i thought its a word from russian (privet = hello in russian)

[untold grotto]

hello bridge

[pulsar cradle]

Sure

[tawny yoke]

I also thought it was hello bridge 😭

[narrow gust]

I guess this means alpha 1 will probably release in november again

[crude ravine]

🤜 🤛

[cobalt burrow]

I said it a while ago

[tranquil swallow]

id say i hate the guest

he makes the game so hard

[exotic pewter]

whos Dorothea

[crude ravine]

the historian

[exotic pewter]

her name is Dorothea?

[crude ravine]

yep

[untold grotto]

historian

[exotic pewter]

do Jacob and Janusz have any titles like "Historian" or are they just normal ppl

[flat tinsel]

Right, hes coned 2.0

[untold grotto]

car mechanic and baker

[celest plank]

dorothea is genuinely a tough name

[flat tinsel]

Janusz also works at the puser karmet

[untold grotto]

it means gift of god

[celest plank]

ye

[near hawk]

Same for Theodore funnily enough.

The two oldest members of Raven Brooks both have names that mean "Gift of God"

[clever sail]

Почему сосед в самом конце игры? Игра называется Hello Neighbor блин

[crude ravine]

#russian-chat

[clever sail]

ty

[exotic pewter]

is it Golden Apple corporation, or Golden Apple company

[light tapir]

and the words are actually greek

[celest plank]

i genuinely agree with ts

theyre going too far from what hn is supposed to be

i know this prolly isnt the intention but it really feels like theyre slapping "hello neighbor" on the game for more profit cause gang its NOT about the neighbor anymore

at least judging by this build

[light tapir]

i hope they give him bigger role in the future

[clever sail]

i really want this

[near hawk]

Well tbf it's to be expected when they are the same names just kinda inversed.

[light tapir]

the greek names are Δωροθέα and Θεόδωρος

first one is dorothea second one theodore

[untold grotto]

i believe dorothea has scandinavian origin

rather than greek

[light tapir]

im literaly greek

its two greek words combined

[untold grotto]

oh well i just confused dorothea with her surname

mb

her surname has scandinavian origin

Asbjørnsen

[light tapir]

ok

funny thing is i just realised that the name theodore is greek

even though its my mother language

[celest plank]

oh wait thats sick

didnt notice that

[light tapir]

yeah they very similar

[near hawk]

Can Theodore's name mean something for HN3?
Probably not due to being a thing long before HN3.

[celest plank]

probably not

[light tapir]

yeah it probably doesnt

[celest plank]

i dont understand why the characters suddenly have slavic and scandinavian names n surnames

i get that raven brooks isnt in any country but like bro

[near hawk]

Aaron's name can't really mean anything from what i found even ignoring how it's something that's been a thing for a while

[near hawk]

Why not.
Were the names of any specific origin before

[light tapir]

theodore is named like this since hn1

[celest plank]

they were very western werent they

[untold grotto]

its mostly because of meanings

like the names arent random

names are chosen to reflect the characters stories

like almira for example

which means noble

and yet you are the daughter of GA president

[light tapir]

theodore is not gods gift

[near hawk]

From what i can find it means the gift of God, idk

[untold grotto]

aint its like

theodore = dorothea

its just male/female versions of same name

[near hawk]

Oh wait i misread

[exotic pewter]

but this is the only build where you play against the neighbor tho

[celest plank]

like that any name has a meaning

[exotic pewter]

gang hes very important to the story of HN3

[near hawk]

He is absolutely God's gift he is so handsome

[untold grotto]

like micheal and michelle

[celest plank]

neighbor is the least of my concerns in this build

he appears at the very end and like

i dont even need to encounter him to win

[exotic pewter]

technically hes like the final boss

[celest plank]

hello raven brooks

[near hawk]

He's in mayak too

[celest plank]

or like something then

[light tapir]

bro i know im greek and these names are greek

[celest plank]

cause its defo not hello neighbor nymore

[near hawk]

Which is the most important building of HN franchise or smth

[untold grotto]

i wasnt even responding to you though

[exotic pewter]

I mean, technically everyone in town are your neighbors

[near hawk]

What do you define as Hello Neighbor

[celest plank]

hello mr peterson

[near hawk]

He's in and important.

[exotic pewter]

oooohhh I remember Nikita asking that

[celest plank]

well undoubtedly not in this build

[near hawk]

Just not for these last couple of builds

[near hawk]

Yeah, and he left a few game concepts

Like game where you play as Teddy and escape town before storm

[exotic pewter]

well, he wasnt even present in the previous ones, his importance is growing with each build

[celest plank]

i guess

i hope that keeps going

[near hawk]

I like focus on other people as well

[exotic pewter]

yeah, the other ppl are your "neighbors" as well

[celest plank]

hi was hoping for the neighbor to have some tuff aura in this build since he's in hn3 for the first time but like

[near hawk]

I love Teddy but i wouldn't want him to take all content

[celest plank]

imo

[near hawk]

Well he's a chill guy

[celest plank]

teddy should at least take like

[untold grotto]

he is going to have

[celest plank]

30% of content

[untold grotto]

he is who rebels against god

[exotic pewter]

CHILL buddy, this is only PRE alpha

[near hawk]

The devil

[untold grotto]

also killing the every town citizen

[celest plank]

i know

doesnt change my point tho

[near hawk]

The "devil" has a name that means "gift of God" ironically

[celest plank]

he shouldve been introduced into the game better

pre alpha would be done at least in june its really just not finished

[exotic pewter]

yeah, thats the point, its not finished at all

[eager glade]

hey guys

look

[celest plank]

not finished in the sense its really broken

[eager glade]

it says this doesnt represent the final game

[celest plank]

which is exactly why im talking specifically about this build and not the final game

[deft summit]

tbf I don't think the player character lives in Raven Brooks but uh yeah I think so far the name works

[eager glade]

but stuff isnt supposed to be finisehd

[deft summit]

also I chalk down most of the differences in this game compared to the previous one being something as simple as

well yeah it's 2028

[celest plank]

it should be presentable

[deft summit]

things changed alot of the characters in the past are probably dead

[eager glade]

but its a pre alpha

[celest plank]

you can definitely see the main town is more polished than the amusement park

[untold grotto]

and yet theres like 85+ yo woman

[deft summit]

presentability being the focus of the pre-release builds are a big reason as to why HN1 and HN2 get hated on actually

they focused too much on making the unfinished versions look great and feel grand

[celest plank]

im not saying finished in the sense that it should lichally be the final game

im saying it needed polishing and thats a fact

[deft summit]

that it created a split in the fanbase once it became obvious things were changing

that's not a fact

polishing is not a thing you do at the start of game development

[celest plank]

they prolly released it early because we started begging for it

[deft summit]

and well

WE KNOW this is still near the beginning of the game development

because it's not a true Alpha yet

[eager glade]

but there are probably stages on whaat they need to fix

maybe polishing next build

[deft summit]

game development becomes really awful when you polish stuff early on

[celest plank]

i doint know about you

[deft summit]

because then you don't focus on making the code itself actually work

[celest plank]

ts is not prototypes anymore

[deft summit]

it's not an alpha either

infact calling it a "Pre-Alpha" should be considered wrong

[celest plank]

well its called that so

[deft summit]

it's way closer to a prototype

[celest plank]

thats what im saying

it feels like a mere playtest

[deft summit]

do you know why the first game's Pre-Alpha is called as such

[celest plank]

go ahead

[deft summit]

because the project file got corrupted after that version

Alpha 1 was fully built from scratch, which means the Pre-Alpha

is not an alpha

because it's not the same project file at all

[celest plank]

not like i decided to call this a pre alpha what

[eager glade]

your supposed to playtest it too tho

[deft summit]

no but like a pre-alpha is very

[untold grotto]

i wonder why
pre alpha is a prototype

[deft summit]

VERY clearly meant to be more of a prototype

[celest plank]

tell that to the devs

not me

[deft summit]

they continue to use the pre-alpha naming scheme for that reason

also uh

I want to point out how complaining that an unfinished build feels like a playtest is like

really dumb (sorry for being blunt but it is)

alphas aren't meant to be public to begin with, the fact Hello Neighbor games even do that is something to keep note of

they do it

to give us the chance to playtest

[celest plank]

because youre not supposed to finish a whole section of a game since it's there and leave it completely broken

yeah ill playtest that really well

[deft summit]

literally that's the whole reason why the unfinished builds get released too

we ARE meant to playtest it

we're supposed to expect jankiness

incomplete ideas

and extreme bugs

[celest plank]

im not expecting perfection

[deft summit]

because WE are the ones who report them and give the suggestions on what can be improved

[deft summit]

then what are you talking about

what's so bad about the Pre-Alpha that you're treating it as if it was a HN1 release build or HN2 release build, as if you paid money for an unfinished mess

[celest plank]

i cannot give feedback on the entire mayak part because its js broken

[deft summit]

alright so how is it bad that the developers left the Mayak in an unfinished state

yes it's unfinished

yes it's bad to play

but how is it bad that the developers left it like that

[celest plank]

im not saying its bad that they left it like that

u cannot form an opinion on something thats broken and isnt meant to be like that

all i can do is point out its broken

[deft summit]

the way you worded things here just gave a way different meaning

[deft summit]

and here

[deft summit]

and here

[celest plank]

was mayak presentable tho

[deft summit]

does it really have to be

[celest plank]

uhh yeah

[deft summit]

no

no it does not

that's not how game development works

[celest plank]

mayak in this state is something the actual testers should be testing

[deft summit]

most pre-release footage you see of WIP games cherry pick the best looking parts

but those are usually for trailers and teasers

[celest plank]

thats like

not what im talking about

[deft summit]

then why do you think an unfinished build is meant to be presentable

[celest plank]

look

[deft summit]

that's not a good answer I'm sorry

I didn't even register that as an answer

[deft summit]

why do you think this

genuinely why

like I genuinely want to know where you're viewpoint is on this

[celest plank]

i think my message is really clear

[deft summit]

it's not

you state what you think should be done but not why

[celest plank]

the testers before us should be testing something in such a state

[near hawk]

Is this it?

Idk

[celest plank]

what

[deft summit]

that's not a why though

why do you think unfinished builds have to be presentable

[celest plank]

then this is?

[deft summit]

because you can't form an opinion on it..?

you DON'T need to form an opinion on it, if it's too broken

you report that it's too broken

[celest plank]

because presentable does not mean perfect like youre probably interpreting my message as

[deft summit]

no not perfect

[celest plank]

and grass is green

[deft summit]

I'm aware it's not meant to be perfect

but presentability is not a priority for playtest builds

especially early ones

which yes Pre-Alpha IS an early test build

I mean we're literally seeing them only just now give the player an actual character model

[celest plank]

look

im creating something

and its ready to be sent out to the public

like

can you just send that to the public

[deft summit]

I don't care if it's sent out to the public, I really don't

private build

public build

does not matter

this is still game development

y'know the very big thing with that is you make it exist first AND THEN you make it better

[celest plank]

this was considered ready to be sent out which im telling you it wasnt

[deft summit]

because the Mayak section is broken..?

oh the horror the Pre-Alpha is so broken!

[celest plank]

uh no thats not all

[deft summit]

I'm just saying that the way you are treating this build is how you'd treat a full release game

not an unfinished build

regardless if it's public or not, that changes nothing

I don't see your points on this

and I don't think it's agreeable

[celest plank]

do you think it was ready

[deft summit]

I don't think any version is

and that's why we playtest them

[celest plank]

uh

[deft summit]

I'm just saying

a version being ready should only be a focus for the full release

not unfinished playtest builds

public or not that really changes nothing

[celest plank]

qa testers test something to spot a broken spot which needs fixing
and once its fixed you consider it ready for people to consume and give opinion on
we are not testers working at tinybuild mate
prototype 3 is a good example of a ready-enough build

[deft summit]

I do not think unfinished builds are meant to be consumed the same way a full release is

[celest plank]

by unfinished i meant not ready btw

[deft summit]

and when I say unfinished

I mean the fact it's literally a pre-alpha

I do not consider any pre-release version of any game to be "ready"

and I never will

[celest plank]

also stop using full release as a comparison ive made it clear im judging this build not hn3 as a whole

[deft summit]

I get that

and I have my own criticisms for the build

[celest plank]

im not treating it based on my expectations for the full release

[deft summit]

but the problem is HOW you are criticizing it is on the same level of how a full release game gets criticized

I genuinely think trying to say it's in an unready state is pointless to say

yeah, duh

it's not a finished build because it's a pre-alpha

you SHOULD expect things to be "not ready"

[celest plank]

youre interpreting unready as not ready for full release which i am in no way shape or form talking about at all

as i said im judging this build by what it offers

[deft summit]

no I'm not interpreting it as that

I literally said what I think of what you're saying

the LEVEL of criticism you're giving it is not something a pre-alpha should be getting

[celest plank]

so stop bringing in full release because its not a topic of anything

[deft summit]

you're not understanding what I mean by the comparison

I'm not saying that you're treating it as if it is the full release

just that the LEVEL of criticism is something a full release version would be getting

not a pre-alpha build

[celest plank]

uh no

[deft summit]

you're saying how it should be presentable, how it should be ready

[celest plank]

pretty sure im criticizing it based on what it gave me

[deft summit]

dude

I did not say "based on full release"

[celest plank]

ready does not mean flawless btw

[deft summit]

I'm saying the LEVEL of criticism is unfair for what is a pre-release build

[celest plank]

i expect flaws but in this state it shouldve been worked on more

[celest plank]

it kinda is fair cause not even p3 was as broken

im not even dumping on pre alpha

i think its the best build out there for hn3

its just really not ready i would give it another 2 months of work

[deft summit]

I don't think saying things need to be ready and presentable is fair when it's still an unfinished build

again I have my criticisms

[celest plank]

this

[deft summit]

dude I know that

but you cannot expect that still

[celest plank]

this

[deft summit]

I just said

that I know

it's not perfect

or flawless

or super polished

but it's STILL not something a pre-alpha should focus on, public or not

I do not care what P3 was like, if it was "ready"

that's not what the point of playing an unfinished build is

[celest plank]

theres a point in every build in the world where it can be considered ready and a point in every build where it can be considered finished

[deft summit]

may I ask something like

genuine question

what would be the point of making the build "ready"

it's just an arbitrary thing to prioritize considering the stage of development it's in right now

[celest plank]

should not be as broken as it is

i get that these builds are not supposed to be flawless and stuff

but they shouldnt be this broken

[deft summit]

I'm not mentioning flawless

I said that

multiple times

[celest plank]

something this broken needs testing early on

not after release

[deft summit]

I do not mean "obviously it's not flawless"

I'm just saying "obviously it's gonna have broken stuff"

[celest plank]

broken at this scale

[deft summit]

yes

even at this scale

[celest plank]

it would be fair if the previous builds literally were this broken but sheesh

[deft summit]

I honestly would say the previous builds were broken in different ways

just that it was less obvious due to the amount of hype that had been generated

[celest plank]

i mean no

is there no hype anymore

[deft summit]

yeah

[celest plank]

it doesnt depend on hype

[deft summit]

I mean

no it kinda does in the sense that it made the flaws less obvious

because everyone was more focused on stuff like the Guest's reveal

Peterson's model being revealed

[celest plank]

any flaw a build would have is going to be always pointed out tho

[deft summit]

like it really is the hype moment and aura build

[deft summit]

if not for distractions

[celest plank]

those who try to fit their opinion into the popular widely accepted opinion are just wrong

if you have something else to say

[deft summit]

I'm just saying

I do not think Prototype 3 was somehow less broken

[celest plank]

what was broken about p3 then

to be on the scale or more than of pre alpha

[deft summit]

to be honest the entirety of the Guest

at that point you could knock him out, pick him up, and clip him through a building

the dragging sequences weren't any better in P3 either

[celest plank]

the guest wasnt really broken in the sense he couldnt work tho

in pre alpha a lot of things dont work

youre criticizing p3 guest based on how much you like him or not

not based on how broken he was

[deft summit]

no, cause I do like him

I just genuinely think he was broken still

[celest plank]

in liek what aspect

[deft summit]

first I do want to see what you're meaning by broken

[celest plank]

malfunctioning

[deft summit]

wdym by not work

no I mean like

what exactly doesn't work

[celest plank]

like the neighbor

[deft summit]

I am aware that the friend system right now can not work with Jacob but like

[celest plank]

which is the biggest thing there

generally stuff in pre alpha works sometimes

like there were instances i was flashing at the guest and he would still do his thing

atp it was based on how lucky you were in ur session

and how much things aligned for you

[deft summit]

I mean yeah that's definitely gonna be a problem

infact I think just saying that is alot better than what you were saying earlier

[flat tinsel]

sup

[celest plank]

i dont think its any different from what i said earlier

[flat tinsel]

what are you talking about

[deft summit]

"things should be presentable" isn't a criticism

I'm sorry but at this stage

it's not a criticism

you weren't specific at all

[celest plank]

this build definitely shouldve been tested more tho

[deft summit]

why

[loud canyon]

I do agree with that but we should give it some slack since it's a pre alpha

[deft summit]

we're really not meant to be consuming it as if it's expected to be playable

[loud canyon]

Just give feedback in #1494695990832267396 and call it a day

[celest plank]

like i cant imagine this being considered "good enough" for releasing like atp it shouldve slipped out or wasnt tested

[celest plank]

i did

[loud canyon]

Then that's all it needs

This is not meant to even be remotely representative of the final game

[celest plank]

i can still give additional feedback cant i

[deft summit]

seriously that's really what these builds are meant for

[loud canyon]

This is more of a tech demo than the final game

[celest plank]

i know that and i made it clear im talking abt pre alpha specifically

[deft summit]

I know we're not playtesters that work for TinyBuild but like

that's actually why they do it

I mean isn't it alot cheaper on them to have the community playtest it instead..?

that just means they can focus more on the development budget itself

[celest plank]

thats true but i think they have like 1 qa tester or something

[loud canyon]

Criticizing the pre alpha as is, is totally fine but you do also have to consider this is barely a fraction of the future of this game as it's a very rough build that will have bugs and under designed features

[celest plank]

im still 1 person and i have this much feedback

[sonic birch]

I tried editing Jacob's eyes to make him more like his RBO version

[celest plank]

im also aware of that

[deft summit]

exactly what I was trying to say

[loud canyon]

Is this how he will look in a Alternate Reality ?

[deft summit]

again I'm not saying that you're criticizing it as if it is the full release, just that the level of criticism is too high for this build

[celest plank]

well thats your individual opinion on what i claimed so

[loud canyon]

Yea don't set your standards too high for a proper pre alpha build as it's still just a pre alpha

[celest plank]

i did not

[deft summit]

you did say how it needs to be presentable

[loud canyon]

I joined in the chat late so I didn't know

[deft summit]

which again I already know isn't "flawless"

but again

that's too high of a level

[loud canyon]

It needing to be presentable isn't exactly a pre alpha priority

[deft summit]

I tried mentioning that alot actually

but my point just wasn't made clear

[loud canyon]

More of a alpha thing, not pre alpha

[deft summit]

I wouldn't even say alpha

more of a beta thing

[loud canyon]

Yea fair

[sonic birch]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[celest plank]

not to be rude but it isnt

[near hawk]

Alpha is more like fleshing out stuff than improving current things iirc

[loud canyon]

Taps the sign in case anyone needs it

[celest plank]

i know it doesnt represent hn3 and i said it countless times im judging pre alpha not hn3 as an entire project

[deft summit]

wait hold on

he straight up mentions there that pre-alphas are barely representable

doesn't that like outright shoot down what you were saying before

[celest plank]

uh no

[loud canyon]

They're criticizing pre alpha as its own thing not HN3 itself yet

[celest plank]

representable means represent

[deft summit]

I'd say it kinda does actually

[celest plank]

not present

[deft summit]

I know that

[celest plank]

he meant it doesnt represent hn3 as a full final game

[deft summit]

I mentioned that hundreds of times that I KNOW he isn't criticizing it as the full game

and just the build itself

I just don't think arguing presentability is the way to do it

[deft summit]

also fair enough

[celest plank]

but look at this this just isnt true

[deft summit]

I misinterpreted that as presentable but still

[deft summit]

no

I do not want to because I think that's not a good point still

"finished" we're talking about a pre-alpha

[celest plank]

yes pre alpha

he said its finished

it aint

[deft summit]

based on what

that some parts are broken..?

[loud canyon]

For a pre alpha build it is pretty finished as it's a good pause point to release a build and build onto it for the next alpha

[celest plank]

to be shown out

[deft summit]

or is he saying finished as most of it is in a playable state to pause development

push to see what we think

take in the feedback

and then they continue developing from there

[loud canyon]

Technically we are ONLY getting this undercooked build because Nikita likes to be public and open about the games progress

And giving us playable alphas and such

[celest plank]

i just think that

[deft summit]

I'm just saying

[celest plank]

we put out our feedback when prototype 3 was released but they kinda fumbled this one

[deft summit]

his version of a finished pre-alpha clearly is not the same as what your version of a finished pre-alpha is

[loud canyon]

I think pre alpha is more fun than prototypes actually

[deft summit]

I do not think Nikita or the team is focusing on presentability at such an early stage

[celest plank]

me too

[loud canyon]

It's still undercooked but that's unavoidable in a pre alpha

[near hawk]

I liked prototype 3 more than pre alpha

[deft summit]

Achi mentioned it's the best version so it's not like they hate it

[celest plank]

either way i genuinely hope alpha 1 will be presentable

[deft summit]

we're not getting Alpha 1

[celest plank]

at that point it should be a bigger deal

[loud canyon]

Ooh okay good

[deft summit]

we're getting Pre-Alpha 2

[celest plank]

what

[near hawk]

What

[deft summit]

then we'll get Pre-Alpha 3

there is no Alpha 1

it's all Pre-Alpha

[near hawk]

Then they will cancel full game and it will just be pre Alpha 6

[deft summit]

Prototype 3 is actually just Pre-Alpha -1

P2 is PA -2

[celest plank]

also pre alpha is still better than prototype 3 so ike

[near hawk]

"prototype 3" was just a typo

[deft summit]

nah it'll be Pre-Alpha 100

[celest plank]

yeah friigid

[near hawk]

Ike? Where

He's in a peppermint vat last i checked

[deft summit]

I mean honestly that is subjective

I won't argue what is or isn't better

[celest plank]

yeah im saying it subjectively

[deft summit]

I just don't like the idea that a pre-alpha needs to be presentable cause honestly

I much rather them focus on other areas

I want the full release to be as good as it can be and how they handle these pre-release versions are gonna dictate the final game's quality

[celest plank]

whether it should be presentable or not

at the end of the day you gotta pay attention that

there will be stuff like youtubers

that will put out this build

and theyll influence the opinion on the pre alpha

those who dont know how development of hn3 works will just hate on this project

which ive seen a ton of times on yt

[loud canyon]

Prioritizing presentability can harm the quality of the final game if they hard focus on presentability rather than actually gameplay loop first

[deft summit]

in comparison to how it was before where they loved the alphas

and then hated the full release

[celest plank]

i dont think so cause the final game needs to be presentable either way

[deft summit]

yeah

do that stuff in the beta

polishing is something the beta needs to be doing

[loud canyon]

I know a specific YouTuber who has

[celest plank]

who

[loud canyon]

Yes the final game

[deft summit]

not now though, again

make it exist first

then make it better later

[loud canyon]

But focusing on such this early may harm the game development process

[deft summit]

that's actually how most artistic projects are meant to go anyways

[celest plank]

yall probably think i mean presentable in the sense we should be satisfied by it

[loud canyon]

They need to get other aspects correct before presentability is even an option

[deft summit]

not really

again you mentioned it's the best version in your opinion

so clearly I think you are satisfied

[celest plank]

im kind of not

[deft summit]

I just don't agree with HOW you're criticizing it because the way I see it

this IS gonna be rough

[loud canyon]

No I assume you mean the game is easy and visually pleasing to content creators and investors

[deft summit]

the quality is not going to be super high

[celest plank]

no not that

[loud canyon]

What do you mean, then

[celest plank]

thats not what im asking for tho

[deft summit]

I'm just saying for a pre-alpha

yes

that would be super high quality

[celest plank]

mayak part made me feel like im a tinybuild employee testing a very early version of pre alpha

[deft summit]

a super high quality pre-alpha is obviously not the same as a super high quality full release

[celest plank]

what

[deft summit]

my point

is that the quality levels

are not equal

[loud canyon]

Because that's exactly what this build is

A test build

[deft summit]

also yeah no ####

[celest plank]

emphasis on very early

[loud canyon]

The mayak will be much different in future builds

[deft summit]

there is no "early pre-alpha" because it's just Pre-Alpha

[celest plank]

i know

[loud canyon]

That's what a pre alpha is, mind you

[celest plank]

im judging it by pre alpha

[deft summit]

yeah

but you're not judging it on the level that it is on

that's where my problem is

[celest plank]

"very early version of pre alpha"
not "very early version of the game"

[loud canyon]

You're judging it based off critical dislikings that are unavoidable in a pre alpha

[deft summit]

there is no "very early version of pre-alpha"

[celest plank]

thats your subjective opinion on my claims tho

[loud canyon]

There is no such thing as a early pre alpha as the only thing earlier than a pre alpha is a prototype

[celest plank]

didnt say earlier

[loud canyon]

But this has enough content in it to not be considered a mere prototype

[celest plank]

it is kinda still is a prototype

[bronze steppe]

pre alpha 2

[deft summit]

cause that's what a Pre-Alpha is

all Pre-Alphas in Hello Neighbors are just

[celest plank]

no so look

[near hawk]

It has about as much content as prototype 3 ngl

[bronze steppe]

yea

[deft summit]

prototypes

[loud canyon]

Under the definition of prototypes, in game development, this has too much content to be considered a prototype

[celest plank]

prototype 3 was more presentable to the public than pre alpha

[bronze steppe]

not at all ngl

cus it wasnt really optimize at all

[deft summit]

oh yeah I forgot how it CRASHED my computer once

[celest plank]

it still is a prototype and "this has too much content" is based on nothing

[celest plank]

thats a performance issue not the build issue

[loud canyon]

Hardly the case as the prototypes were miserable in comparison

[deft summit]

based on how Nikita described it*

[celest plank]

subjective

anyway im gonna go

this has been going for like an hour prolly

[pulsar cradle]

Did someone say Greek?

[deft summit]

I'm not gonna go look so I'll just say it has

[deft summit]

yeah earlier someone mentioned how some of the names were Greek

[pulsar cradle]

Yea I know greek

[untold umbra]

It's impressive that the pre-alpha can run on my very old computer with i7 3770 and 16GB ddr3. an achievement

[deft summit]

I7?! and that's somehow old..????

[loud canyon]

Courtesy of the engineers at eerie guest studios trying their best to optimize the game

[untold umbra]

It is a processor launched in 2012

[deft summit]

wth man

[flat tinsel]

Are there any new clips/images

[deft summit]

my 2020s era gaming laptop has an i5

how is it beat by an old computer

[untold grotto]

i mean pre alpha just dropped

[loud canyon]

They don't make em like they used to

[untold grotto]

im not expecting any teaser soon

[loud canyon]

Probably gonna be a while till then, pre alpha just dropped

[deft summit]

I give it atleast 4 months

[flat tinsel]

😭

game theorist vid about hn3

[flat tinsel]

not really

about mascot horror

[deft summit]

doesn't that channel consider Hello Neighbor to be mascot horror..?

if so then yeah I don't care

I genuinely don't value anyone's opinion on Hello Neighbor if they see it as a mascot horror

[flat tinsel]

Yeah... I don't know how they can say Hello Neighbor is mascot horror. It's not like Theodore was the mascot of Golden Apple or smth

[deft summit]

not just that but like

anyone who believes TinyBuild when they said it was a horror game, as if they developed HN1, I genuinely do not think actually played Hello Neighbor

neither the old versions nor the final releases

[flat tinsel]

Yes, it's true, I'd like to delve deeper into what TinyBuild has done to the saga, but... well, Big Brother is watching us

[deft summit]

I don't think they're that strict

maybe back in the past but like

in all my time in this server

so like less than a year

I haven't seen them silence criticism towards them

I would know because I have been criticizing them alot in regards to how they mislabel Hello Neighbor

[flat tinsel]

😭

[deft summit]

oh and how they handled HN2

[flat tinsel]

Hello Neighbor 3 is going to be a masterpiece as long as TinyBuild doesn't interfere too much

[deft summit]

I don't think TB had like bad ideas I just think the fact that they prioritized their ideas over the developers and writers is why they ended up not being very good

[flat tinsel]

At what point in the game's development did Nikita leave?

[untold grotto]

hn2 alpha 2

[fluid portal]

Its too early for me to tell. The pre-alpha was good but definitely rough compared to the pre-alpha of HN1

[flat tinsel]

fact

[deft summit]

so as long as for HN3, it's the developers and Nikita who's ideas that get prioritized the most over TinyBuild's ideas

I think HN3 will be fine

TB's ideas should've just been like secondary material anywaysa

[deft summit]

Idk I just

hate HN1 pre-alpha

with all my heart and soul

[fluid portal]

The AI ruined the expirience HN3 for me. It was way too buggy and acted as an annoyance rather than obstacle.

[flat tinsel]

So it did exist

what happened to that alpha??

[deft summit]

kind of

I don't think it ever was truly packaged

[untold grotto]

i did not say that

[deft summit]

and there was at one point planned to be an Alpha 2 release

[fluid portal]

I LOVE the pre-alpha of HN1 and it is in my top 3 versions of HN

[flat tinsel]

Well, whatever the case, they should have done something

[deft summit]

it's by far my third least favorite

I am sorry to those who like it

[untold grotto]

?

[deft summit]

I just never liked the HN1 Pre-Alpha

[fluid portal]

I'd like to hear your POV

[deft summit]

uh sure just

[flat tinsel]

even if it's just changing the hat type's location

[deft summit]

not here

[deft summit]

since this is the HN3 discussion for HN3

[fluid portal]

Fair

[deft summit]

maybe #hello-neighbor

[loud canyon]

The pre alpha of Hello Neighbor was hardly representative of typical pre alphas so I can't encourage using that as a comparison

They never even built the future builds onto that existing build, it was more of a separate game entirely

[fluid portal]

Most games I am interested in don't release alphas or prototypes so for me its like comparing one thing to itself

[loud canyon]

As someone who does study game design I can assure you the way Nikita is doing hello Neighbor 3 building onto the game with each build is extremely noteworthy and good news

[fluid portal]

Compared to other games at the same point in the pipeline, do you think each version is prioritzing the best thing to develop.

[loud canyon]

Yes, each build is prioritizing a specific aspect that will be present in the final game

[deft summit]

mostly because the project file got corrupted

[loud canyon]

This is true

[fluid portal]

They NEED one that is focused on AI because I struggle to find any enjoyment out of it when the AI can't behave properly

[deft summit]

I'm sure they're gonna focus on that next

especially Peterson's AI

[fluid portal]

I walked around in the weather station for 3 minutes and he never spotted me

[deft summit]

I do think the cramped layout of the Mayak may make stealth like

really hard to do

[loud canyon]

Ai was not the focus of this build as it's too early for such

[deft summit]

so hopefully they update the Mayak a bit to allow for better stealth

[loud canyon]

Future builds will touch on the ai and stealth thriller aspects more

[untold grotto]

ai will have proper recode probably

because its now just modified rbo ai

[deft summit]

oh they're actually gonna make new code for the AI..?

[loud canyon]

Yes

The ai as of now is just a placeholder

[deft summit]

I thought they were just gonna make the old AI better but I'm honestly not against them redoing the AI entirely

that could allow for them to make it more optimized

[loud canyon]

The planned ai is too advanced to just be mere updates to the existing ones

[untold grotto]

i meant the breaking & entering ai, instead of GOAP

[loud canyon]

Yea

[rigid jasper]

HOW DID I JUST DISCOVER THAT HELLO NEIGHBOR 3 GOLDEN APPLE AMUSEMENT PARK MASCOT IS THE SAME COLORS AS HELLO NEIGHBOR 1 GOLDEN APPLE PAINTING

like that cannot be a coincidence

its nearly the exact same shades of teal and magenta

yes

best example imo is the wooden figures of the mascot around the park

[tacit cargo]

Hn3 is the what if hello neighbor: reset day and life is strange had a kid

Prove me wrong

[sonic birch]

did some more changes to try and restore RBO Jacob

Left is original, right is new

[royal drum]

i don't see the diffrence

[loud canyon]

i prefer Nikitas original one more

has more soul if that makes sense

the other one looks like a possessed NPC

[sonic birch]

this one?

[loud canyon]

like a ghostbusters game

[loud canyon]

i prefer Nikita's HN3 Jacob model bc of the better details like eye colour 😭

RBO Jacob looks soulless and devoid of life in comparison

[sonic birch]

thats mainly because his animations were made for first person

[loud canyon]

fair, RBO was certainly going to be an interesting game but i am quite fond of it becoming HN3

maybe we will get a proper RBO game one day

[sonic birch]

hopefully!

been messing around with multiplayer stuff and HN3

[high brook]

i bet you could remake this with substance painter

if you were able to find the right materials they used that is

[sonic birch]

i believe its made with photoshop

[high brook]

true

maybe we will get rbo someday

when the nda expires

[untold grotto]

its not even because of nda

they just do not want to be release it

because there is no even gameplay loop

[sonic birch]

yeah but it looks fun regardless

[high brook]

who cares bruh i would still play it 100%

[untold grotto]

seems like nikita cares

[high brook]

?

[untold grotto]

nikita did say they are not releasing it because of that

not because of some super secret nda

gameplay loop is not finished and it is pretty barebones, which still might be fun to try, but without real meaninghful goals and stakes with a single map it get stale really quick

[sonic birch]

yeah but still

also for fangames it would be really nice

[high brook]

not even the assets?

not even rbo jacob?

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-falling-walter-white-sad-hank-death-breaking-bad-gif-11929995292147864802

im crine this is sad

[untold grotto]

i mean the things thats in under NDA is assets

them releasing the build is more likely than them releasing assets

(even if its pretty unlikely)

[high brook]

maybe we will get the build after hn3

like how nikita dropped the devgamm thing

[willow elm]

oh thx lol

[quick crow]

how do you even have access to this?-

[rigid jasper]

guys nikita told me that the new hn3 character is tung tung tung sahur

[quick crow]

To the people who use UET, HOW DO I CONTROL WIND SPEED AND FORCE ARGH

[mighty flax]

lets hope greenhouse adds a dev console for it

[brave thunder]

it's my own ue project

[high brook]

idk why they even changed him

old model was better

this one is alright though

[arctic jolt]

Unreal engine most likely

[blissful river]

no bro

the new one is so much better

[zinc delta]

day 2 of asking nikita to PLEASE release the awsome game prototypes you showed in devlog 1.5!!!!!!!!!

[limpid pewter]

He cant

[zinc delta]

?

[limpid pewter]

They are heavily unfinished

[zinc delta]

dude its a prototype

[limpid pewter]

It's literally not playable

He only released switch man because it was a finished prototype

[zinc delta]

wait he released switchman?

where?

[near hawk]

It's pinned i believe

The second pinned message on this channel

Scroll all the way down and you'll find it

[limpid pewter]

Prototype are meant to be finished builds

[zinc delta]

ah i see

[limpid pewter]

Well most of the time

[near hawk]

Switchman is the least interesting of the ideas imo

I think If i wanted to play one it would be Giant monster probably

[zinc delta]

IKR

[near hawk]

Or that time travel one

[zinc delta]

bruh fr though i REALLY want to play GIANT MONSTER

[near hawk]

But i do understand why Nikita doesn't wanna share them

[limpid pewter]

I also wanna play introversion

[near hawk]

They're not ready and you'd find people complain about that and also really want them to get finished though they would likely not get finished.

[near hawk]

It's cool too but i think the other ideas were more interesting.
Even auditorium looked pretty fun to me.

[celest plank]

and i got ganged up on when i said the same thing

[near hawk]

Wasn't it just 2 people with one joining towards the end

[celest plank]

no it was 46 people

[limpid pewter]

Idk why tho public prototypes are meant to be finished

[zinc delta]

I JUST FINISHED SWITCHMAN

WHAT

THE

HELL

NIKITA WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND MAN

i think he needs some sleep 💀

[near hawk]

Was it really that crazy

[zinc delta]

its a lil messed up lol

[near hawk]

It's a sacrifice.

[jade night]

Auditorium will be real soon

[limpid pewter]

So are you remaking it ?

[steady idol]

Lol

[ionic bay]

There have been no sneak peeks for a long time☹️

[untold grotto]

they just released the build

[ionic bay]

Do you mean pre alpha

[untold grotto]

yes

[ionic bay]

It started to get boring for me because we've already seen everything

[heady axle]

Hello, can I ask someone a question? I've been thinking for a long time. I speedran "Hello Neighbor" on my phone. I wanted to ask about Part 3, how many Alphas will there be. For example, in the first one there are 6, in the second one, I think.

[civic totem]

We don't know

[blissful zinc]

the eyes

the left eyes are way better

[eager glade]

how do u ragdoll him

[stoic whale]

You gotta knock him out !

it takes quite alot though

[eager glade]

yeah but its hard

[stoic whale]

I usually try to use the sledgehammer but sometimes he catches it

[eager glade]

cuz when i throw a crowbar his lightness grabs it instantly

[stoic whale]

yea lol

[eager glade]

exactly

do u js use a bunch of chairs?

[stoic whale]

just about anything that'd make an impact

[empty shell]

i just grabbed every single item that was beside me and threw it at him till he fell 😭

[stoic whale]

definitely takes some time if that's all you can rely on

[eager glade]

its gon take like

4 hours

[stoic whale]

i forget how long it took me

i've also dragged some npcs up there just so he'd bully them

[eager glade]

i did that

covered is easy to grab cuz she next to cable car and shes not fat and takes off the whole screen

when i grab coned i see nothing

[stoic whale]

yeah never thought about that actually

[eager glade]

sadly for me

covered is dumb and she got herself killed

[stoic whale]

it'd be cool if there was a sort of mode or tool that let you make npcs interact with each other more, kinda control them in a way

[eager glade]

yeah

i also want one thing like

when characters get draged to new places and wake up

[sudden narwhal]

janusz tries to attack me everytime i try to give his wifes book to him

[eager glade]

they dont know where they are but curious depending on the location and explores it a bit

instead of going home

[eager glade]

dont go too close to him

he will think ur breaking in his house

[stoic whale]

yeah that'd definitely make them feel abit more alive

[trim pine]

That's because it's labelled as "his property" and NPC tend to get angry when you steal items that are their property

[sudden narwhal]

but how do i give to him then?

[eager glade]

right click

mouse

[trim pine]

Wait until your cursor/center cross expands (you know... like when you hover over interactable items) and then right click. It's a bit tricky since Janusz would be sprinting towards you and you need to catch the right moment between him catching you and you being able to interact.

[sudden narwhal]

ok

[light tapir]

will hn3 release for ps5

[untold grotto]

yes

[celest plank]

down bad

[crude ravine]

throw items or oil

[eager glade]

thankoo

[unborn fox]

More dead than Ted's family

[near hawk]

/revive

[cinder halo]

switch 2?

[untold grotto]

yes

PS4/5, Xbox Series X/S, Nintendo Switch 2
is confirmed

[high brook]

what about steam deck?

or did they not confirm

[untold grotto]

steam deck is able to play windows games without porting

[high brook]

oh yea

right

also i just meant for like controls support

like how some games have verified control support

[untold grotto]

i see

[high brook]

some other tb games have it

[untold grotto]

i guess it would have

[high brook]

hn1 doesnt for some reason though

or hn2

well hn2 works but its kinda broken

[tawny belfry]

Explain to me why I can press E on the guest and he disappears

[untold grotto]

from what i recall it supports but still labelled as unsupported for some reason

[high brook]

yea pre alpha works fine on it

but it doesnt say it does

like it HAS controls for a controller already

also werent they using controller in devlog anyawy

unless that bit was staged

partially even

[severe merlin]

Pre-Alpha has full controller support

[untold grotto]

yeah i personally tested it with controller and worked well

[high brook]

for some reason pre alpha is actually easier with the controller

i was able to beat it faster on steam deck somehow

[limpid pewter]

not really related to hn3 and someones probably asked this before but do you plan on ever finishing the prototypes you showed in devlog 1.5

other than switchman

[light tapir]

nikita how many npc will hn3 have in ralease

[fleet sandal]

In one of the devlogs, I think Devlog 2, he said like around 25 characters.

[limpid pewter]

pretty sure he said around 20

[unborn edge]

those were small private projects that he made for himself to test out different concepts, they were never meant to be finished

[untold grotto]

he cant say because he does not know it too

[untold grotto]

it was just what would be perfect scenario but i doubt they will be able to do it due to lack of resources

[fleet sandal]

Also, with how big the map is, 25 characters seems a bit much and it would make the town feel too lively instead of unhomely.

[limpid pewter]

i would say like 5 more characters would be enough