hn3-discussion

[winged glade]

i also dont know if the time is completely correct so yeah

[random shell]

That’s crazy. I didn’t realize how much of a speed boost you get from the food.

[winged glade]

yeah

i think the bananas are stacked too but idk

[bronze phoenix]

i put it now what to do?

do i restart

[brave thunder]

yes

[winged glade]

how do i overlay stuff on capcut

[bronze phoenix]

what keybind activates the menu?

[brave thunder]

x

[bronze phoenix]

it dident work

i went into content then paks then i made the logicmod folder and put all the 3 mods into it

[brave thunder]

you also need this

[bronze phoenix]

am i doing anything wrong

[bronze phoenix]

yeah i put it in there

in LogicMods

[brave thunder]

it should be in /helloneighbor3/binaries/win64/

[bronze phoenix]

let me check

the win64 is inside of binerarys

not content

tho

so i put it ther?

[brave thunder]

also you need to unzip

[bronze phoenix]

i did

wait

i dident 😶

[bronze phoenix]

like this?

[brave thunder]

no

like this in /HelloNeighbor3/Binaries/win64/

like this in /HelloNeighbor3/Content/Paks/LogicMods

[bronze phoenix]

alr

alr

alr

like this

[brave thunder]

no

[bronze phoenix]

Oh yea logic mod

[brave thunder]

and you put the files in the unziped folder to win64

[bronze phoenix]

alright i made the logicmod folder

[brave thunder]

not the whole folder

[bronze phoenix]

put the 3 pack

OH

the random letters folder

the 9mb one?

do i remove the logicmod from content

and put it in the modloader

or copy it

[brave thunder]

bro

[bronze phoenix]

sorry man i just dont know FileExploreer

or how it works

alright

i will put the files

in the win64 folder

[winged glade]

@brave thunder is this good enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwn62W8DYgc

[brave thunder]

idk

[winged glade]

i tried to make the timer as accurate as possible

[brave thunder]

i think you have to use the actual one

[winged glade]

got my message deleted for spamming we srs gng

[brave thunder]

download this one

then it should have a helloneighbor3 folder inside

[stone elk]

they need to add pre alpha to speedrun.com lol

[brave thunder]

go to there and drag the folder into this directory(ignore the mod folder)

[bronze phoenix]

content or binary?

[brave thunder]

i was talking to another guy

[bronze phoenix]

oh lol

[winged glade]

like hello neighbor pre alpha?

[stone elk]

wait its on speedrun.com now lol I checked like yesterday and couldnt find it

[winged glade]

which pre alpha the hello neighbor 3 one?

[stone elk]

Yep

[winged glade]

oh

bro i messed up my run bc

i didnt do the timer thing

i forgot to start it

and i got 1:21 seconds

[brave thunder]

@bronze phoenix just do this

[novel peak]

Hope this helps you out, people.

[brave thunder]

is this in game?

[untold grotto]

yes

[novel peak]

yeah

Good luck

[brave thunder]

i've got the notes abt them but

those never unlocks

[gentle pebble]

How did you get these to show

[ember verge]

Jacob crashes and dies even if you break the light pole.

[gentle carbon]

some of them only showed up after doing the thing, maybe if I had picked up something earlier as a hint they would have

[ember verge]

Jacob dies even if he jumps out of the car to attack you

[ember verge]

they unlock when you do them for some reason

[bronze phoenix]

it worked thanks harvey

[gentle carbon]

I think Jacobs appeared for me when I got the note about him not being able to get the episode

[haughty tide]

Wait I never noticed about the side quest of the historian. Is there a note about it somewhere?

[gentle carbon]

Maybe bakers would have popped up when I got the note about the undelivered letter in the marketplace thing

[gentle carbon]

this is the only one I have no idea how it would appear

I was gonna look for something in the museum

[novel peak]

Testing, go to the supermarket on the table, there is a note.
The historian i didn't found a note yet, just an old photo..

[novel peak]

Idk

[haughty tide]

Don't know? Did someone gave you this screenshot?

[gentle carbon]

okay so it is the note in the supermarket?

I did it before I found that so I wasn't sure

I guessed it because I thought it was weird that the post office had no use

[near hawk]

He's that stupid

[novel peak]

Nope i take it myself

[novel peak]

Yes

[novel peak]

Give him the vhs tape

[near hawk]

Jacob is the only one i haven't befriended atp

[novel peak]

Welp i need to take a nap. See you later guys

[near hawk]

Cya

[near hawk]

Fireworks make town safer? Interesting

[gentle carbon]

I've helped her like twice and I dont think she ever left the museum to do that

[near hawk]

She did for me

[gentle carbon]

idk what the safer thing could mean

maybe guest just doesn't do anything outside of the park

[near hawk]

A friend of mine also experienced that Bug though

Where She doesn't leave at all

[near hawk]

Festival related i would guess

Or maybe light keeps the dweller away?

[slim pier]

why the neighbor is green..

[celest plank]

artstyle

[slim pier]

and why there is a blue guys who keep harrasing me

[celest plank]

iirc they dont like you cause youre a GA employee

[untold grotto]

he does not like you because of your company

[slim pier]

oh yeah that why

and i launch a ladder on him and he is on the ground

[celest plank]

i feel like their reasoning shouldve been more clear in the game cause i had no idea why they were attacking me for no reason

and i wouldve never known if nikita didnt say it

[slim pier]

but hn 3 feel like its out of the story

cause its in pre alpha no ?

[near hawk]

Did Nikita say it?

[celest plank]

i think so

their violence comes from the fact that you work for golden apple

[slim pier]

[echo fulcrum]

So how are we feeling about the pre alpha?

[wild meadow]

PLEASE WHO is bob

WHO is bob man ive been wandering the streets for this bob

[celest plank]

click tab

[wild meadow]

i did

like what IS bob

[celest plank]

the objective system tells u what to do

[wild meadow]

like

is he a guy

i dont get it the writing srry

[celest plank]

idk go to #hn3-pre-alpha-chat

i dont know myself and dont wanna be spoiled

[wild meadow]

alr alr

[untold grotto]

a GA employee

he had a business trip to RB

but then disappeared

[sharp pond]

We’re a girl now

[mellow garden]

so full pre - alpha was the first act?

[untold grotto]

no

[mellow garden]

ok

[near hawk]

Pre alpha probably had them acts

Just simplified

Since it's the core story

[subtle harness]

this story looks finished i dont think it will change may be it will be bigger but not changed in final

[untold grotto]

its the core story

everything will be elaborated upon based on this story

[subtle harness]

found anythung yet? new secret or interesting detail?

[normal remnant]

||guys i just started playing and saw the bakery explode why did it happen?||

[tall sorrel]

||Janusz uses a sledgehammer on the Oven if you don't get his wife's cookbook.||

[untold grotto]

||he killed himself, because his wife Omelia died and his business just shut down||

[normal remnant]

Oh

[echo fulcrum]

Holy

[celest plank]

||luckily we can prevent that||

||man i just feel so bad for janusz||

[near hawk]

Well at least he did in a legendary way

[celest plank]

mate

im flashing a light at the guest

why doesnt it work

does it not work in daytime

[broken galleon]

there’s a whole different chat for this

[celest plank]

i dont wanna be spoiled

and it still has 2 do with hn3 anyway

[spiral spear]

Hi Nikita, I just finished the pre-alpha and I really liked everything, but of course there are some downsides, but for me the most important one is that NPCs can go through boarded up doors and doors with a security system, and I understand that this is easier and that otherwise it would be very difficult for NPCs to move, but in my opinion this is not fair to the player.

[untold grotto]

he said they fixed it up in next build

[pulsar cradle]

Weird still no holding animation

[spiral spear]

oh, sorry, I didn't know about that

[floral kettle]

Hn3 endings are probably like this:

[unreal wigeon]

how do I mod hn3 can somebody explain it

[subtle harness]

amm so guest was stuck and i clicked e on him then he dissapeared where is he ?

[spiral spear]

and by the way, he didn't say anything about the historian when I was playing, she stood there and did nothing except throw me out when she noticed?

[covert compass]

I have been playing Pre-Alpha recently and where are Iris and Issac? Are they in this Build?

[tall sorrel]

no. they are not.

Nikita's still working on fitting them into the core story.

[untold grotto]

not really for isaac

isaac was still important in new core story

he is removed due to lack of resources

[covert compass]

So they are cut from the game temporarly to rework their AI for the correct story purposes

I guess having Peterson in their place makes up for it in the Pre-Alpha

[near hawk]

Isaac was cut temporarily due to "lack of resources"

Iris was cut temporarily because they couldn't find a narrative use for her

[untold grotto]

iris is not temporarily

[near hawk]

However for Isaac we know for sure he will return

For Iris no

[untold grotto]

iris is to be decided

[unborn fox]

#bringbackissac

[agile kelp]

Add farmer in alpha 1

[covert compass]

You mean "Cow Papa"?

[celest plank]

the lag is unbearable bro

especially in the museum part

literally unplayable the trees are absolutely spammed everywhere

[summer sand]

I also wanted to say. The big problem about Hn3 for is the map. Its too chaotic to move and I know what devs wanted to bring but the mountain concept and those inside house angles are uncomfortable to move. I like the fact that devs are listening to players so I hope they'll make map a Lil more "flat".

[soft gulch]

I really hope Iris doesn't end up getting scrapped because I really like her design

[cobalt oyster]

i feel like people overhate hn3 pre alpha and the prototypes
gng its NOT supposed to represent the final game at ALL, those little builds are rather just proof of concepts and them testing things out
take a look at hello neighbor 2, its pre alpha was literally hello guest 💔

[summer sand]

Its not hate its criticism

[loud karma]

pre alpha ending vs prototype 3 ending

[soft gulch]

If the problem is not knowing where to fit her in the story, maybe they could go back to the idea of her having formerly ran the amusement park

Perhaps you could have it so she used to ran the cinema before closing down and being taken over by the bandits idk

[celest plank]

theyre not gonna change that

[sick blade]

does the game have upscale on by default? cause when looking at the trees and other further stuff it looks odd like it warps, it's really noticable when you go past like a pole that covers the entire screen for a second then stuff fade in and out

[summer sand]

Players need to bring problems on surface so devs may fix it

[celest plank]

i personally dont have any issues with the mountainous map

[summer sand]

Idk those houses angles are killing me when I move inside

Probably just my own issue

[celest plank]

thats kinda been the case with most of hn games

look at hg

except in hg you werent really indoors a lot

the houses were never straight

[untold grotto]

amusement park cant have a guard due to narrative according to nikita

[soft gulch]

Ah

It does look completely ran down and the guest does mostly run around there so I get that

[celest plank]

||does the historian move for anyone at all||

[summer sand]

Also I liked the weather station. A lot better than museum location for The Neighbor

[celest plank]

||also generally getting to the museum was really confusing||

[untold grotto]

she does, but you have to trigger it with giving her something

i mean a certain item

[celest plank]

i have like really mixed opinions on this build

[summer sand]

Also the main issue is that players may just not see opportunity to befriend characters

[celest plank]

its definitely more fun than other hn3 builds and i could even argue its more fun than any hn game out there but at the same time its just like so flawed in some aspects

[soft gulch]

I do think there should be a more clear clue that you can befriend the characters

[summer sand]

Ye

[soft gulch]

The bar from proto 2 did that but also stick out really bad so

[summer sand]

Its good that people bringing those problems to surface otherwise it will not be better

[near hawk]

I think notes that Tell you that would do the job

[soft gulch]

Yeah probably

[summer sand]

Also W to devs for listening to criticism from builds

[summer sand]

Maybe some introduction cutscenes for characters that will show you that they much more than enemy npc

[summer sand]

That would be cool

[soft gulch]

The weather station should be bigger honestly

[near hawk]

There won't be cutscenes other than intro and end i believe

[soft gulch]

And also the game shouldn't directly mention it as the weather station, would be nice if it was less obvious what location it is

[unreal wigeon]

theroy the guest is the shadow thing (theres no way)

[summer sand]

Probably. But introduction to each character cutscenes won't break main plot line or other things. It will show characters more deeply to players. So I don't see problems at all

[celest plank]

the guest is by far the most annoying thing

other than the lag

[summer sand]

I hope they will listen to this

[untold grotto]

the problem is it would cut the gameplay

[soft gulch]

The guest isn't that annoying anywhere in the map BUT the amusement park

[summer sand]

Well I don't mean whole cinematic cutscenes. Just introduction. Nothing more

[soft gulch]

Mainly because he won't leave and comes back really fast and yeah

[summer sand]

I wish guest was like in hello guest pre alphas

[near hawk]

Well i think as HN3 does it they can show characters deeply enough.
Like for Janusz, you can Tell a good bit about his story just with the cookbook and such.

[celest plank]

you mean hello neighbor 2 alphas

hg is hg

but yeah i agree the guest in this game is straight up annoying

not even scary at all

[summer sand]

Im talking mostly about those prototypes of hg

[sick blade]

is there any way to like turn this filter or idk what off? it is really noticable whenever anything goes past the screen, like the trees in this video they are disapearing

[soft gulch]

The ai of all characters need a lot of work still, they tend to go back and forth a lot and also get stuck in other places

[celest plank]

i hate this so much too

[unreal wigeon]

theroy the guest is the shadow thing (theres no way)

[celest plank]

its default for ue5

[summer sand]

I think it should take more time for guest to target you

[celest plank]

they didnt remove it

[celest plank]

i dont even like how the guest kills you now

[summer sand]

Otherwise guest feels like the jockey from l2d4

[celest plank]

you might not have the flashlight and he just forces you to restart the whole game

[summer sand]

He'll grab you to deepest bits of hell

[soft gulch]

To be fair you should have a full flashlight when going to darker areas

[celest plank]

id rather have him drag me into the forestr like in prototype 3

[sick blade]

i hope they will remove it later on

[celest plank]

when i flash at him he runs away and immediatrely comes back you literally just cannot progress in the dark

[near hawk]

I lowkey am liking Guest being a killer ngl.
He has more presence + i can use him for killing Jacob

[little onyx]

trying to mess with the jacob AI but hes just so scripted now

[untold grotto]

yeah

i think fall damage was way worse

[near hawk]

But i do think there should be more efective ways to combat him

[untold grotto]

especially when historian throws you out the window

[little onyx]

i broke his car and it just worked anyways
when i got him out of the car he collapsed as if he was in the crash even though he wasnt even in the car

[soft gulch]

The fall damage feels kinda inconsistent

[near hawk]

I wouldn't mind fall damage If the map wasn't so vertical or If it was less severe

[untold grotto]

im not against fall damage at all

[summer sand]

Well if he just was taking you to his "nest" it will give more uncertainty in your fate of what he'll do to you

[near hawk]

But as it is now it's overkill

[celest plank]

no its good it forces you to sneak out instead of jumping off the buildings
the issue with fall dmg is when the npcs throw you out you just die. you should not be allowed to die when youre thrown out

[unreal wigeon]

theroy the guest is the shadow thing (theres no way)

[summer sand]

OMG no way

[untold grotto]

thats what i just said

[celest plank]

so keep the fall damage

[near hawk]

What can he do not like he'd put me in hell

[near hawk]

Murder keeps him threatening enough

[summer sand]

Only will make you feel like that while dragging you around whole forest to death

My theory is that he's the jockey from ld4

[celest plank]

i rly just dont like the way guest works at all

[celest plank]

theres not a single positive thing i can say about him

[unreal wigeon]

think abt it the shadow thing just vanished then the guest exits

[soft gulch]

I think guest should just be forced to leave really really far away when flashed with the flashlight

[summer sand]

Shadow thing was embodiment of fear for main character

[little onyx]

i almost think he would be improved if we took steps backward and made it more like the Hello Guest AI where he stalks you slowly instead of just sprinting towards anyone in the dark

[soft gulch]

Maybe to those places of reflection and have him stay there for a bit

[unreal wigeon]

oh... i forgot

[celest plank]

the thing isnt the guest

[near hawk]

Shadow thing was fear embodiment in general

[little onyx]

you use light and other methods to keep him away as he slowly gets closer and closer always

[unreal wigeon]

its nicky ro-

[near hawk]

Forest dweller is most likely ||Aaron||

[celest plank]

yes

[unreal wigeon]

or nick ro- nah your right tbh

[cinder halo]

Aaron doesn't have a watch

[celest plank]

lets not forget watches can be put on and put off

[unreal wigeon]

its been 30 years

[near hawk]

Which Aaron doesn't have a watch? The one we last saw when he was barely a teenager or smth?

Also yeah what @celest plank said

[cinder halo]

Both

[cinder halo]

Also would it be cool for hello neighbor 3 characters like Jacob, Iris, Issac, The Historian, Janusz, Signed, Coned, and Covered to be in Hello Neighbor: Welcome to Raven Brooks?

[wind gale]

Does the pre alpha have more endings than the one where you find report 13

[unreal wigeon]

hell yeah

[near hawk]

||nope||

[limpid pewter]

only 1

[wind gale]

Oh

[celest plank]

can we juts pile up all the flaws of this build

[wind gale]

Why are the towns people hostile to us btw

[limpid pewter]

because we work at ga

[celest plank]

they dont like us cause were a golden apple employee

[near hawk]

They hate golden Apple company and we work for them

[wind gale]

Why do they hate the golden apple company

[lavish ravine]

When I play it the first time When I go to the backstage in the cinema , I was thinking if I take the photo of the weather station and Leave the photo there it was gonna be another ending

[near hawk]

Tripple answer!!?

[limpid pewter]

because they ruined ther businesses

[near hawk]

One of their employess closed down their stuff.

[limpid pewter]

shut down alot of places

[celest plank]

also it seems like golden apple literally owns everything in the town

they literally make maps and supermakets and basically anything

i thought theyre just an amusement park company

[near hawk]

Well the one employee was ordered to do so by the whole company probably but still

[wind gale]

Thats also what i was wondering, why is golden apple a private company acting like the health inspection, rating and shutting down buisnesses

[honest tulip]

ok is there a safe way to go to the museum

[near hawk]

And mayak!

[wind gale]

Also like the supermarket got a A rating but still closed down??

[celest plank]

and i still got spoiled at the end of the day

[honest tulip]

like is there a way to turn on some lights

[wind gale]

I wonder what they did to bob

[near hawk]

Did you see Quentin though

[limpid pewter]

neighbor probably gave him to fd

as neighbor sees fd as friend

[near hawk]

He is in the candy factory

[celest plank]

• guest
• lag
• trees

⬆️ my issues with pre alpha

lag and trees is basically the same thing

[soft gulch]

I haven't had lag issues too much but I have gotten crashes which might perhaps be worse

[wind gale]

The game looks less boring with every new version ngl

[celest plank]

pre alpha is the most fun i ever had in the hn franchise

[soft gulch]

I like the trees and stuff but I do think some should be removed

That and make them more unique from each other

[little onyx]

I enjoy the multiple choices approach of the game, but I think issues like this happen when there is one option that is easiest (breaking the door with a crowbar VS platforming/sneaking while the AI chases you) people will always choose that option instead once they learn of it
For example, when I was playing I didnt want to sneak around the AI at all because they were too unpredictable and hiding in boxes only worked on cameras, so breaking into the goal room was a lot faster and simpler
I did find items to befriend the AI which was a fun alternative, rewarding game knowledge with the AI's doing something for the player and letting them explore the houses freely

[celest plank]

theyre directly source of lag for many ppl

its just dumped on the map too much

[little onyx]

if sneaking was more fleshed out and an exciting mechanic more players will gravitate towards that instead

[celest plank]

they should despawn trees that are far away from the protagonist

[soft gulch]

That could cause noticeable popping

Unless something like a fog is added

[cinder halo]

Why is Isaac not in pre alpha? Despite his remodel being teased?

[little onyx]

platforming is also frustrating because of some tight jumps and difficulty knowing if you could even land on a certain place, but im assuming thats just because its an early rough map

[celest plank]

idk it could be customizable

like how far away they need to be

to despawn

[soft gulch]

LODs would be my solution

[celest plank]

either way itll really improve the performance for many (and me too) because i dont believe my pc is too weak for a game like hello neihbor 3

optimization is just missing

but at least its better than prototype 3

[soft gulch]

His model is in the files, I assume they just don't really have a place for him to be running around at

Since guest's nest was removed

[wind gale]

Pretty weird how the cable car phases through a tree when it goes to the park

[cinder halo]

The Isaac Files 💀

[soft gulch]

Yeah that's what I was mainly referring to lol

[wind gale]

What happened to bob

[tall sorrel]

dead most likely.

[wind gale]

Noooo

[little onyx]

Bob went home guys! He dropped his report and left

thats all that happened

He went home and had a nice dinner after working hard 😊

[sick blade]

well hello there

[honest tulip]

is there a way to get these lights on?

[wind gale]

Does the hn3 neighbor also work for the amusement park like he did in hn1 and 2

[near hawk]

What do you think the meat is from those plates you all

Like Raven Brooks has practically no animal life

Obviously from Bob

[wind gale]

They prob eat crows

[near hawk]

True

[wind gale]

Bob canonically survives and goes home, he just accidentally dropped the report, he caught a cold when he came home so he couldnt go back to retrieve it

[soft gulch]

Are these the ones leading to the museum?

[near hawk]

Do you think Mr Hoffman would have made Bob the president of Golden Apple had Alma not gotten the report

[soft gulch]

If they are ||you have to help Jacob get the last vhs of his collection, it's on the boiler room at the cinema||

[unreal wigeon]

should the guest be a boss battle???

@unreal wigeonits me

[little onyx]

Im also hoping pre alpha isnt representative of the core experience of the game, and maybe a tutorial/setup? since the butterfly effect is gone, and its very scripted

ive taken time to consider my feelings on it and i like it more than on first impression but it still feels like a de-evolution of proto 3
though, this would make sense if this was more of an introductory portion of the game

[near hawk]

I think it's supposed to be about the gameplay loop and core story rather than core gameplay

[little onyx]

gameplay loop/core gameplay the same thing in my eyes

i really enjoyed watching the AI's interact and thats gone in pre alpha, and i based on the prototypes i thought that was the gameplay loop of the game

[sick blade]

um what is this?

[near hawk]

The session things i mean

[celest plank]

what do yall think of the restart button

[unreal wigeon]

prob a placeholder

[near hawk]

Storm arrives gameplay resets you keep info do it again till You get an ending

[unreal wigeon]

its meh

[little onyx]

good addition, so that you dont have to go back to menu to reset the game

[celest plank]

i think people will take advantage of it

[little onyx]

and it makes it clear that restarting is an important part of the gameplay of the game

[little onyx]

i was under the impression the game shouldnt have an ending, important things can happen but it never "ends"

a town exploration game with AI that acts on its own behavior to achieve personal goals

[near hawk]

Also doesn't core mean the basic idea of stuff.
I'd Say it mostly got that down for the gameplay anyways, even If it's really really barebones.
The ai interacting more is something they can improve in future builds.

[civic totem]

Truthnuke

[little onyx]

well in prototypes 1-3 the AI would interact with eachother and the environment just like the player could, make friends/enemies break and fix things without any player involvement
to me that was the core gameplay of HN3

now the AI defend their houses and do scripted actions based only on player behavior

historian stands in place the entire game unless the player shows up to the museum for example

[honest tulip]

CAN THIS LEVER BEEN FIXED HOLY

[little onyx]

jacob and the baker will always do the same things everytime if the player doesnt give them the specific required item

i think that this is the turning point where the AI's development needs to either go all in on the defend the house gameplay or the interactions with the world gameplay because doing both is stretching it out too thin

[meager meteor]

I just played the pre alpha and it's just ":/" I was expecting something better

[soft gulch]

The pre alpha to me takes the freedom almost entirely which is not a good thing

[meager meteor]

also the UI looks AI made :(.

[soft gulch]

It is good to experiment with both extremes tho

[little onyx]

well thats just not constructive critique at all

[celest plank]

imo to conclude this pre alpha is more good than bad
the previous builds had certain things better but its still overall good
not a big change from prototype 3 though

[little onyx]

it does lack stylization but thats because its purely functional right now

[untold grotto]

no?

[soft gulch]

The ui is like basically the same as last proto excluding the objectives tab

[near hawk]

Doesn't and isn't.

[celest plank]

Does Not And Is Not

[meager meteor]

I MEAN IT COULD BE I didn't say IT IS

[celest plank]

couldnt be

[meager meteor]

I do UI and I can tell if it's AI or not or possibly ai

[near hawk]

Hey i said that before you

Theif

[meager meteor]

and this objective UI is probably AI made I could be wrong tho

[little onyx]

It's quite rude to claim something that's human-made looks AI, basically accusing them of not trying at all with no basis other than "vibes"

[celest plank]

“Theif” wrap the burgers

[celest plank]

first of all its not ai

[meager meteor]

not vibes man wth

[celest plank]

and second of all using ai would be the last nail in the coffin for tb and eg

especially tb isnt rly popular amongst the hn franchise

come on fridig

keep typing

i know you had something to say

dont be shy

[meager meteor]

jesus christ why are u mad

[near hawk]

@celest plank didn't even finish pre alpha hahaha

[polar linden]

GUYS

[near hawk]

Let's all point and laugh

[polar linden]

pls help

[celest plank]

not didnt

[deft summit]

it's just simple stuff though

[celest plank]

can’t ✌️

im stuck in the museum honestly it lags more than any location

[polar linden]

what's with vandals? can we help then somehow? i tried giving photo of Guest and even camera itself to Coned and nothing changed

pls help

[near hawk]

Pretty sure you can't

[meager meteor]

just focus

[near hawk]

I also tried but wouldn't work

[polar linden]

there's nothing we can do?

[soft gulch]

Yeah the vandals can't be befriend anymore

From what I remember

[near hawk]

Prolly not.

[polar linden]

but in their lair in cinema their plan was to gewt camera from museum and get evidence of Guest beign real using camera

[soft gulch]

I guess that's a way to interpret that drawing

[echo fulcrum]

Is iris in the game?

[celest plank]

can we all agree that pre alpha is the best hn3 build (not that u cant not agree because i demand you to)

no

[echo fulcrum]

Obviously

[near hawk]

Nah prototype 3 better

[celest plank]

No.

[echo fulcrum]

Why?

[near hawk]

Ai interacted more

It wasn't as annoying

[soft gulch]

True that

[near hawk]

I also liked the goal more tbh

[echo fulcrum]

True but it was way more tedious

[civic totem]

Pre-Alpha > P3

[celest plank]

prototype 3 gives you more freedom and pre alpha is a more fleshed out build
both are good and have their flaws but i personally like pre alpha

[civic totem]

If you think that P3 is better than the Pre-Alpha you're not real

[near hawk]

P3 > Pre-Alpha

[soft gulch]

Prototype 3 feels like it had a lot of freedom but no objective in sight so it was confusing to most, and pre alpha feels like it's too linear and lacks the freedom it had before

[near hawk]

Guess what freedom is better so

[civic totem]

Falsenuke + you're not a real person

[celest plank]

let me remind you grass is green and the sky is blue

[soft gulch]

They are two different extremes with similar problems, and ideally an in between should be found

[echo fulcrum]

Freedom? You had a clear objective then too and you can explore even now in pre alpha

[celest plank]

and pre alpha < p3

[near hawk]

Lemmy remind you that pre alpha is worse than prototype 3

[celest plank]

• cks sake

messed up

[near hawk]

Yes true

[celest plank]

bro no

[near hawk]

Hahaaha

[celest plank]

i missclicked

[near hawk]

Agreed

[soft gulch]

There was a goal kinda but said goal was pretty vague and how you had to do it even more

[unreal wigeon]

should the guest be a boss battle???

[celest plank]

no

[raven pilot]

the new one is less confusing imo

[celest plank]

there shouldnt be any “levels” to the game it all should be 1 and intertwined

[soft gulch]

The game should keep the multiple endings and multiple goals thing from previous prototypes while also having a clear main objective

[celest plank]

there will still be multiple endings

[soft gulch]

Not exactly side quests but maybe more so side objectives you can stumble upon

[celest plank]

its just that doing it in pre alpha would make the wait too long

probably

[tall sorrel]

you're right
they are the creepy, ai driven Mr. Peterson!

[soft gulch]

The building the statue goal should be brought back

I think with the notes system it could work much better now

[celest plank]

my take on the objective system

[civic totem]

No they're Alma

[near hawk]

Thanks for the compliment!

[untold grotto]

yeah prototype 3 is too hard, pre alpha is too easy

[celest plank]

ur being told what to do which is not as fun imo

notes should still exist to give u hints but the objective system should be gone

[echo fulcrum]

Instead of TELLING you were to go it should be something like "The granny told you Bob talked to Jasunz a lot during this few days"

[civic totem]

It's better than just straight up not knowing what to do

[echo fulcrum]

They should be hints that you can get by studying and exploring raven brooks

[celest plank]

this

[celest plank]

more specifically this

[near hawk]

Explore and you'll find out what to do honestly

That's the point of the game tbf

[celest plank]

the very first objective should be the only hint the game gives u

[celest plank]

yeah obj system took ts away

[echo fulcrum]

When 80% of the people playing prototype 3 ragequit and have to watch the ending on YouTube then there's like a big problem

[soft gulch]

I think the objective system is fine but should be less direct

[celest plank]

i wanna hear what nikita thinks

on the feedbacks

[soft gulch]

Like instead of telling you where exactly you have to go make it so you have to explore

Still mention the general location but not literally the exact room

[celest plank]

aka remove the objective system and make the notes the only source of information

they should connect to each other

[soft gulch]

Eh I feel the notes and objectives can co exist

Just use the notes more than the objectives

[echo fulcrum]

Yesterday I screamed like crazy because I didn't realize the guest could enter buildings

[celest plank]

they can but if they both exist youll just have too much info

[soft gulch]

Because a clear idea of where to go and what to do is required in some way, you can't expect the player to know where everything is and where to go from the get go

[echo fulcrum]

They're going to turn it into a diary like Spelunky 2 probably

[soft gulch]

The problem is telling you too much really

Maybe have an objective like Bob went to review the local buildings and that may get you a clue where he has gone to

And then use the notes to tell you he went to the cinema to the gas station and stuff like that

[echo fulcrum]

Do you think the game is going on a mature route?

[soft gulch]

Of course when you find that out

[echo fulcrum]

Like with Jasunz doing something that I'm pretty sure I can't say on here

[soft gulch]

Yeah

Or Jacob getting ran over

[echo fulcrum]

The guest doesn't kidnap people anymore

I think

[stray briar]

i think so hn 3 should be connected to hn 2 ending

but why they not connected

[soft gulch]

I haven't seen him do that yeah

[tall sorrel]

he kills them instead.

[celest plank]

hn3 happens years after hn2

[soft gulch]

I mean I'd say they are kinda connected

[celest plank]

and i feel like disconnecting hn3 from the rest of the franchise is a fresh start

[echo fulcrum]

I'm talking about NPC's

[wind gale]

In what country is raven brooks in right now actually, in the og hn you could say it was america but hn3 reminds me of eastern europe more

[near hawk]

They don't need to be connected ngl

[celest plank]

none

[near hawk]

Yeah, he kills them

[celest plank]

raven brooks is in its own world

[stray briar]

then will they ever show us the story between hn2 and hn3 what happened to peterson and his child and quientin and that new villain

[near hawk]

The whole hn planet is its own.
There's no countries

[wind gale]

Is this ragebait

[soft gulch]

The neighbor is limp of one leg from what I assume is him getting crushed by the crow thing in hn2

[cunning yacht]

nope, i'm serious about that

[celest plank]

come on maniac we all know its ragebait

[echo fulcrum]

"Hn2 map Is much better"

[celest plank]

rage bate*

[near hawk]

How does that connect to my message

[soft gulch]

And there's a bakery and a museum, tho they look nothing a like

[wind gale]

Ngl i enjoyed watching people play those like alpha versions of hn2 instead of the full game

[celest plank]

worng reply

[echo fulcrum]

It doesn't

[stray briar]

i was really exited for hn 3 but they disconnected it

[celest plank]

what

[echo fulcrum]

Oh my bad I wanted to reply to maniac theorist

[near hawk]

Which new villain

[near hawk]

Alright

[polar linden]

does anyone have pre-alpha logo png?

[stray briar]

in the ending of hn 2

[echo fulcrum]

What a super specific request

[near hawk]

That's a cult member

[stray briar]

who

[crude ravine]

nah

[stray briar]

guest??

[echo fulcrum]

The guest is the god they worship I think??

[near hawk]

Darker

To match the darker story

[eager glade]

that is where your wrong

[echo fulcrum]

Liked the prototype 3 more ngl

[stray briar]

but i was exaited for remaining story of peterson quientin and child and new villain hope that continue it in hn 4 with same hn 2 graphics because i really liked hn 2 that was best

[untold grotto]

and this is the keyart if anyone cares

[echo fulcrum]

I love the ouroboros

[untold grotto]

pretty sure p3 one was modified p2 logo

🙄

[echo fulcrum]

What language?

[near hawk]

Misspelled sec

Yep

[untold grotto]

and previously there was this

[echo fulcrum]

Huh wait wasn't there a rabbit one?

[eager glade]

they made a new one

[echo fulcrum]

What is this?

[untold grotto]

this?

[echo fulcrum]

Yeah

[eager glade]

i still think this is better

[untold grotto]

thats the logo hn3 had in announcement and prototype 1

in prototype 2 they changed keyart and logo

[echo fulcrum]

Im pretty sure steam uses it if you have hn3 on the desktop

[untold grotto]

why it did uploaded like that lol

[echo fulcrum]

Is this on the steam game files?

[polar linden]

thx!

[echo fulcrum]

Also Is it just me or is the game very hard to run?

Is it Poorly optimized or is it going to stay like that?

[untold grotto]

i didnt had any problems in high

[echo fulcrum]

I hit like less than crimson desert

[glossy sun]

The bug has a little of pre alpha

loved it

[loud karma]

pre alpha is alot more optimized than prototype 3

[heavy stump]

my game crashes after a while if my global illumination setting is set too high for some reason

[celest plank]

i give up on pre alpha

[loud canyon]

I got the shirt with this logo yesterday

[echo fulcrum]

Wait what's the deal with the guest looking like the GA park mascot?

[bronze steppe]

frr

i really enjoyed playing pre alpha ngl

[celest plank]

the guest and lag are just

no

[echo fulcrum]

I guess in hello neighbor 3 the guest became just a freak in the woods who dresses up as a mascot

[bronze steppe]

i mean they gotta fix a bit the guest ngl

cus in this version is more annoying

[echo fulcrum]

Does it lag for you?

[celest plank]

theres nothing i like about the guest currently

hes an annoyance not a creepy character

[bronze steppe]

true

i wish he could work like HG

[echo fulcrum]

Ok don't push it he has me shivering and I played tons of horror games

[celest plank]

he's just too fast

and runs straight at you

and the lag doesnt help with millions of trees spammed in the map

[bronze steppe]

i mean for me it goes smooth in all high

[echo fulcrum]

I hit 80 in epic

I mean I feel like we should all hit way more fps than we do

[bronze steppe]

i mean for a pre alpha is really nice ngl

[echo fulcrum]

It's most likely some problem with optimization

[echo fulcrum]

Yeah but you have high end hardware not everyone does

[blissful river]

It’s a pre alpha. Obviously not everyone will be able to play it due to it not being as optimized as possible.

[celest plank]

just despawn the trees that are out of sight

or generally reduce them theyre too densely placed anyway

[echo fulcrum]

From what I gathered a lot of it is just the npcs making complex actions one after the other constantly

And I heard they were gonna put like 20 of them

So they'll have to figure something out

[tawny belfry]

hn3 is peak so far im a big fan of the hn games ngl

[celest plank]

they hope for 15 or 20

its not guaranteed

[blissful river]

The trees are not optimized at all because they are placeholders. Don’t expect flawless fps with a pre alpha in the first place.

The game is already much more optimized than I was expecting tbh

[celest plank]

yeah its better than prototype 3

[blissful river]

It’s runs very well for how big the map is.

[echo fulcrum]

Bro crimson desert hits more fps and the map takes 6 hours to cross on foot

It's mostly npcs

[blissful river]

That’s probably a finished game though, this is a pre alpha.

[echo fulcrum]

I don't think the map is doing much

[celest plank]

i hope the foliage will be finished once and for all with alpha 1

this build felt more like prototype 4 rather than a pre alpha but its also pretty good enough

[echo fulcrum]

Have you guys noticed the difference between the grandma model?

[blissful river]

Yeah? It got updated.

[echo fulcrum]

Do you know why she goes aggro?

She didn't hit me once in 3 runs now it's been like 4 runs and she won't stop throwing me out the window and killing me instantly from fall damage

[celest plank]

cause you broke into her museum

but yeah to be honest the ai is kinda janky

the npcs can chase you down and once they do they might not even grab you at all and just walk away

[echo fulcrum]

She lets you enter the museum without problem

[celest plank]

that wasnt the case for me

a lot of times she wouldnt even move at all

[echo fulcrum]

Then as soon as I grab the picture in the bathroom to enter the passageway she becomes prime king von and slimes me

The museum is in a posution where I literally can't survive after getting thrown out

[celest plank]

yeah me neither

getting to the museum at all is a pain considering how bad the guest ai is

so far

getting back to the town is even harder

[echo fulcrum]

Just hit him with the strong flash light mode

But don't keep it always on or he becomes immune because of jank

Instead as soon as he gets close just unleash the burst of light then immediately turn the flashlight off

[blissful river]

I feel like for the next build. They need to take a really long time to just polish everything and really playtest before release.

[celest plank]

he literally runs back at you in a matter of seconds

[echo fulcrum]

He scatters on my game

[woven lodge]

We need more tree types in Hello Neighbor 3.

[obtuse swift]

me

[subtle harness]

more types and less trees

[ripe coral]

@graceful jay and I have this theory, IF the creators do bring back that ritual from Prototype 3 to the final version of HN3.

What if the Guest really is a spirit that controls a person. But a person ages, and so does the body, so Guest always has to find another person. The Guest usually takes a child victim, as children are very energetic and flexible. But the Guest doesn't just possess an ordinary child, but a traumatized child. And perhaps the Guest possessed Aaron. And after many years, another child had to be found. And that was Isaac. Think for yourself where his parents are? What if they died? Because he only has Iris.

[graceful jay]

and maybe bc of that he take off his mask in the ending

[untold grotto]

festival is most likely going to be comeback as the keyart still symbolizes the same thing

[untold grotto]

we should keep in mind that its a grounded story btw

[graceful jay]

notice that he is talking about ritual vandals made. Not festival

[untold grotto]

its still a festival

its guest festival but vandals changed it

[graceful jay]

oh ok so

[untold grotto]

because they manipulated by forest dweller or something

[ripe coral]

I just called this ritual cause in some the building(how I remember cinema, where vandlas lived) from prototype 3 on the wall was wrote about Isaac and ritual... or it was festival

Well hope at least my and azarii theory more or less ok

[untold grotto]

festival is a ritual

so we are both saying same thing

[ripe coral]

Thanks for info 😊

[untold grotto]

if the guest is strong enough to possess a child why he need vandals to kidnap him

[ripe coral]

We haven't thought about this yet, BUT I hope we can come up with a theory for this too.

[graceful jay]

i think its because Isaac is not at dangerous zone

[untold grotto]

its good take but im afraid thats not the case

[ripe coral]

Okay :)

[ripe coral]

Although... perhaps... Isaac is the only child left in Raven Brooks (and possibly a traumatized one, too). And the Guest doesn't want to touch him, as he might harm his "new body."

Maybe maybe

[untold grotto]

isaac does not seem traumatized though

[loud canyon]

I saw the ending as him wanting to eat Isaac actually, as it's a common trend for forest dwelling humanoids to eat children in mythos

[untold grotto]

i dont think someone in a costume can eat someone alive

[ripe coral]

Interesting :)

[loud canyon]

He does take the mask off at the end of the secret ending

Which seems to shock Isaac

[dark bison]

wasn't that also a rumor about the forest protectors?

[untold grotto]

or he is just scared by his god being in front of himself

[ripe coral]

Wait but why then Guest/Foret Dweller has clock then?

[untold grotto]

thats the first problem actually, its not "Guest/Forest Dweller" not the guest

they are seemingly different

[ripe coral]

This I remember yeah

[loud canyon]

He doesn't seem too shocked till after the mask was removed, to me that implies he has one horrifying face and most likely ate Isaac there in that ending

[untold grotto]

i dont think he ate him but okay

[near hawk]

Maybe Aaron is just hideous

[loud canyon]

Why else would he, take off the mask

[ripe coral]

But again it was still mine and azarii theory, so anything can be possible in hn3

[loud canyon]

If not to eat Isaac

😭

[untold grotto]

he probably used the metal beak as some kind of knife or something

its pretty sharp

[near hawk]

Aaron's an eldritch horror in there

[loud canyon]

You think him stabbing a kid with a beak mask is more likely than a forest lurking humanoid monster eating him?

[floral kettle]

I feel like if the guest is indeed possession Aaron, I feel like Aaron is already too far dead and he is just a walking corpse now

[ripe coral]

I thought same

[loud canyon]

Aaron is definitely the dweller

[near hawk]

Him taking the mask off makes him seem pretty human so idk

Idk If a human can eat alive people

[loud canyon]

Due to how he views Old Man Peterson as a monster

[ripe coral]

Uuhhhhh

[floral kettle]

Cannibals

[ripe coral]

Yes

[untold grotto]

cannibals cant do that

[near hawk]

Do cannibals eat ppl alive?

[loud canyon]

It's called cannibalism and it's common in demonic cults to do that

[green storm]

That could be an interesting theory indeed

[untold grotto]

cant eat people alive and raw

[ripe coral]

I think cannibalism it's not suits for hn

For me

[loud canyon]

Yes, the practice of cannibalism is eating someone alive

[floral kettle]

I mean The Guest could still be using Aaron as a vessel body

[near hawk]

They did self-killing so who knows

[ripe coral]

WHAT I SAID IT TOO

Btw gabi

[near hawk]

In a grounded story?

[untold grotto]

also im pretty sure nikita have even said someone who askes about cannibalism, "i can ban you from this server"

[floral kettle]

yes

[ripe coral]

I and azarii created this theory cause of your one message

[near hawk]

Oh

[ripe coral]

Lemme send

[untold grotto]

the guest who is protecting the town from misfortunes is now posessing a child, i dont think so

[ripe coral]

This, so thank ya too

[loud canyon]

Maybe but the conclusion I got from Prototype 3s secret ending gives off that impression that's what happened

[floral kettle]

Also in HNVR both Aaron and Guest's themes are very similar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDA0BZ_6BH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8yvHGbf3Z0

[near hawk]

But then again can't eat people whole

[ripe coral]

YES!

Yes yes!

[untold grotto]

does not related to hn3, though

[near hawk]

Lest Aaron's mouth is absolutely huge or smth

[ripe coral]

I wanted say it too

[trim reef]

I have not yet seen the car crash, both play throughs I find myself in the superstore

[near hawk]

And his teeth are like katana sharp or smth

[untold grotto]

you cant use something else as proof to hn3 since nikita didnt worked on that stoylines and he does not know

[loud canyon]

I moreso think Aaron became a wannabe guest because of all the pain Theodore caused him

[untold grotto]

yeah

[winged glade]

anyone know why the pre alpha isnt on speedrun.com anymore?

[loud canyon]

I feel like the concept of spooky monster humanoid eating people is a alien concept to most people in this chat unfortunately

[near hawk]

Well not just that Diane and Mya's deaths affected him lots too

[near hawk]

Spooky monster humanoid may

[untold grotto]

forwarding something from way back

his sense of self gets wrecked he dont see himself as a "normal" kid anymore he see himself as the one who ruins things or basically the problem, that kind of guilt creates an identity vacuum, when your own identity feels broken and weak, you attach to something stronger, in this case its the guest
whos feared, "powerful", has a statue meanwhile aaron feels small, guilty, powerless so subconsciously he gravitates toward that symbol

[floral kettle]

wait was the Guest shown to eat people?

[loud canyon]

The guest and forest dweller are different creatures

[ripe coral]

No no it's okay. It's still prototype 3 and pre alpha

So anything can be possible

[floral kettle]

who eat someone? and when?

[sleek moat]

who saaid

[untold grotto]

no one did eat no one

[green storm]

I think the Guest is a "good" entity for the Raven Brooks' citizens

[ripe coral]

If someone wanna read again here.

[untold grotto]

him being in a identity vacuum and then leading to god symbol of town makes more sense to me

[floral kettle]

nah he is pure evil

[untold grotto]

he is not

[sleek moat]

no like the mascot

[floral kettle]

oh ok

[untold grotto]

he is protecting the town from misfortunes

but the townspeople abandoned him

[near hawk]

I can't see someone that gives people good weather as evil personally

[green storm]

maybe the Forest Dweller and the Guest are the two sides of the same coin

[sleek moat]

its like evil guest and nice guest

[near hawk]

Not pure evil at least

[untold grotto]

they came back to him in prototype 3

[loud canyon]

In the prototype 3 Issac ending, Isaac is kidnapped by the vandals and sent directly to the dweller, who takes off their mask and Issac looks in shock, I assumed in that moment it implied he was going to eat Isaac.

That or he tried to have a bonding experience with a fellow lost kid but Isaac was terrified because of how the town treats Forest Dweller as a anti christ

[near hawk]

Yin Yang lol

[sleek moat]

lol

[untold grotto]

but ended up the neighbor destroying statue, killing everyone in the town

[floral kettle]

I think on why he looks in shock is because Aaron is now a dead corpse possesed

[untold grotto]

as i just said, nikita is against using cannibalism or something

[sleek moat]

well we know 1000% the neighbor is not the guest

they have beef

lol

[untold grotto]

dude, wth

[near hawk]

Heh that was a ref i think

[loud canyon]

Then my second theory might be more accurate

[echo fulcrum]

I feel like In Hello neighbor 3 he's just a freak who wears the ga theme park mascot costume

[ripe coral]

Like this theory

[graceful jay]

maybe

[floral kettle]

I really don't think hn3 is really tied too much on devils or angels for the guest by what we have on him so far

[untold grotto]

kinda, he is someone who is acting like older god of the town

[loud canyon]

The guest is not possessing Aaron or anyone, Aaron became the dweller bc of how he was raised by Mr. Peterson

[green storm]

I hope in the final game, It would be a secet ending which we could evacuate the town before the storm destroy the town, repairing the bus helping Jacob to get the parts

[ripe coral]

Pretending

[near hawk]

Plus guilt from Mya accident and mother dying

[untold grotto]

and neighbor is proud of his doing or something

[ripe coral]

This why I said why Guest choosed Aaron

[untold grotto]

and that fits with the god-antichrist-satan triangle

[untold grotto]

it would be out of character for the guest

he is protecting the town

not killing it posessing people

[loud canyon]

If the neighbor is a metaphor to the devil, and the dweller is anti christ, and Guest is God, this would make the most sense

[ripe coral]

You know this kinda reminds me old theories of hn1 alphas, which I like.

[untold grotto]

guest being some kind of god is confirmed btw

[loud canyon]

In HN3 it is implied guest is essentially a god who once praised makes the rain go away

[untold grotto]

the game heavily implies that but there is a direct confirmation of it in prototype 1

[loud canyon]

He's not evil, like dweller

[untold grotto]

and he is also protecting the town from misfortunes

[lunar trail]

just because they treat him like a god doesnt mean he is one

[floral kettle]

Also something that feels off is that if the Cult is as old as the town and they are related to the Guest, the Guest should be like very old

[loud canyon]

It's metaphorical, not literal

[untold grotto]

i know right, im just making a superficial reading to delve deeper later

[loud canyon]

This is referring to the towns pov, they see guest as a god, forest dweller as an anti Christ, and Neighbor as the devil, it's not literal just perspective and metaphorically

[lunar trail]

okay makes sense

[ripe coral]

Old devil with shovel

And pain in back

[loud canyon]

This is part of a theory Ive spoken of here many times, that HN3 is a remake of the devil neighbor storyline with better plot

[echo fulcrum]

Wait wait when was it implied he is a "god"

[floral kettle]

I mean we all know the guest is not a good guy because, he probably has an insane ammount of kill count

[near hawk]

Peak theory
(To eerie)

[untold grotto]

its directly confirmed via prototype 1 statue having the name GodStatue

[untold grotto]

he does not

[ripe coral]

How it's calling in prototype 3? And have we name of this in pre alpha?

[loud canyon]

Look around Raven Brooks, there is a guest festival, paintings of him around town depicting him as a Greek mythology esque sun God who makes the weather better once appraised

[near hawk]

Forest dweller might, hn2 guest might, books might, but hn3 Guest no

[ripe coral]

Still same?

[untold grotto]

the neighbor being the devil thing seems 70% for me, but antichrist-god thing was something we have been theorizing since p3 release and im like 100% with it

[untold grotto]

its now just statue i believe

[loud canyon]

We have yet to see guest do anything in HN3 and hasn't made an appearance, so this is a false statement implying he's killed anyone which isn't true

[ripe coral]

I like every theories, so hope at least some of them gonna be truth in final game

[floral kettle]

I really don't think they would just change him from bad to good out of sudden, the town might like the guest but I think this is a false god thing

[echo fulcrum]

Ok you HAVE to send me a picture of the sun god painting

[near hawk]

He kinda did stuff, i count statue stopping storm in HN3 proto as real Guest in action personally

[untold grotto]

i will

[echo fulcrum]

Thx bro

[loud canyon]

If you're referring to anything In HN2, Nikita already stated he doesn't know anything about the story of HN2 deeming it as not connected to the Nikita HN1 - HN3 plot

[echo fulcrum]

Bro the guest kidnaps people

He sucks

[near hawk]

Note that they're not all the same Guest at all.

[loud canyon]

In which iteration are you referring to?

[untold grotto]

no thats forest dweller

[agile kelp]

Not the same guest(s)

[untold grotto]

say hi to real guest

[echo fulcrum]

Wait hn3 guest is the forest dweller?

[quartz canopy]

Hi this is me

[near hawk]

Is he supposed to have 4 limbs of each lmao

[untold grotto]

wait is the images also messed up to you too

[loud canyon]

That bird freak in the woods isn't guest, it's Aaron cosplaying as the guest, named Forest Dweller

[lunar trail]

why is he doubled

[quartz canopy]

yes? stop body shaming me

[floral kettle]

there must be a plot twist here because there is no way they would just change his character for nothing

[untold grotto]

something bugged when uploading it i think

[near hawk]

Your face looks really creepy ngl

[loud canyon]

What do you mean "change his character" ?

[near hawk]

You're scaring me

[quartz canopy]

this is getting reported

[ripe coral]

What if people, out of fear, simply began to worship the Guest, and the Guest is not good at all and not a god?

[echo fulcrum]

Wait all the other iterations of the guest are the forest dweller?

[untold grotto]

they did not change his character, the guest was always a thing does not exists, and what you saw was people like acting like him

the guest was always a urban legend

that does not exists

[agile kelp]

It’s not the same guest!!!!

[loud canyon]

We've never seen the real guest, it was always just people dressing up as him as a local raven brooks villain/urban legend

[ripe coral]

Spirit maybe

[echo fulcrum]

Oh my god so the guest is just a urban legend?

[near hawk]

Even if we would count HN3 Guest as the same as in HN2 and others(which is just very wrong) "for nothing" Isn't true because it helps deliver the message Nikita wants

[loud canyon]

HN3 we most likely will see more of the real guest if there is a real guest at all and not a made up story

[frosty gyro]

@quartz canopy stop looking creepy

[untold grotto]

i dont think so

[near hawk]

So it is for something

[untold grotto]

the guest implied to be not being real in hn3

[floral kettle]

I was talking about the HNVR books guest

[quartz canopy]

yuore getting banned for this

[loud canyon]

That's not connected to HN3

[near hawk]

HNVR is different from Books though

[echo fulcrum]

And in the show?

[near hawk]

And also like again it's a different story so not sure i'd consider it a change/retcon

[echo fulcrum]

Wait so hn3 is canon to???

[near hawk]

Using the word change/retcon feels very weird for this franchise imo

[loud canyon]

It's connected to hide and seek and HN1

[near hawk]

Yes

Everything is

But not in the way we think

[agile kelp]

Everything is canon

[untold grotto]

its the town whos picturing everything and there is no real image of the guest

and they would not abandon something thats real

[loud canyon]

You always say "not in the way we think" but you never elaborate what that actually means

[ripe coral]

I glad that I not only one who not connect hn2 plot

[agile kelp]

Because we don’t know how yet…..

[loud canyon]

I do

[echo fulcrum]

Ecxactly you're the goat for saying that

[ripe coral]

It's okay :)

[agile kelp]

Then explain it genius

[manic lichen]

I think I glitched guest out.

[untold grotto]

also pre alpha is actually like before vandals communicated with forest dweller, when they just explored him (because isaac story is not implemented yet)

[echo fulcrum]

Yeah and we never will they simply didn't know what was happening in the story and so they are trying to come up with a lame excuse to explain it and make up for it

[near hawk]

It means not everything matches.
That's what it means.
Some ideas overlap but the story plays out differently for unknown reasons
That's what i think it means.

[ripe coral]

Interesting

[dusky hearth]

does the guy who walks with the mask work in the cinema

[untold grotto]

no

[agile kelp]

and also something with mayak

[near hawk]

No he's just depressed and vandalises stuff

[untold grotto]

he took over the place bcause the gang uses it for communication

[near hawk]

Yep

[dusky hearth]

also why does he walk without the mask sometimes

[near hawk]

Does he?

[dusky hearth]

yes

[near hawk]

I didn't see that

[agile kelp]

He doesn’t

[dusky hearth]

he does

[ripe coral]

Can you show?

[dusky hearth]

when hes near some houses he walks without

[agile kelp]

To stretch his neck out or something idk

[ripe coral]

Do you have screenshots?

[manic lichen]

yea my guest is acually just stuck now.

[echo fulcrum]

Wait so what's the deal with the VR game guest?

Is he the sun god?

[untold grotto]

no

its different stories

[dusky hearth]

i dont

\

im finding him rn

but he uses that mask like a bag

[echo fulcrum]

Ok so hn1 and hn3 that's it?

Everything else I should ignore?

[ripe coral]

Or maybe hn3 is just an experiment to drive us crazy?
j/

[echo fulcrum]

It works

[untold grotto]

yea

[agile kelp]

For hn3 yeah, but everything is still canon

[ripe coral]

Every copy of hn3 is personalized

[dusky hearth]

the guy with the mask his house is behind the bakery

[untold grotto]

theyre not same guy

oh wait

i thought you mean signed is janusz

[ripe coral]

...

How

Or wait

[echo fulcrum]

Wait is Jasunz wife the baker

[ripe coral]

In hn3 everything possible

[dusky hearth]

here

[ripe coral]

|| She died. ||

[untold grotto]

its different vandal

named covered

[ripe coral]

It's Covered

[untold grotto]

she is a member of same gang

[dusky hearth]

oh

[echo fulcrum]

Yeah I know but is she the baker from hn2?

[ripe coral]

No

[crude ravine]

Nope

[untold grotto]

no, his wife is Omelia

[loud canyon]

Each Hello Neighbor game is being told through the voice of who we play as

Hello Neighbor: it's cartoony and wildish in nature due to how Nicky remembers the events of when he was a kid and the game focuses on him overcoming said trauma. The game looks the way it does because of Nicky's poor memory of certain things because he was young

Hello Neighbor 2: Quentin is a journalist so some things that happened in HN2 is real and others are lies or whatever to make the newspaper he's writing sound more interesting so he doesnt lose his job as a journalist.

Hello Neighbor spin offs: usually focus on the kids so most of the things are how the kids are seeing the events and not actually 100% accurate so certain details like the look of the house, the neighbors appearance, what's actually goin on is vastly different than what really went on

Hello Neighbor 3: in the eyes of Almira, a corporate worker who sees the world in a very depressing and somewhat lame realistic setting, coming to a town ruined by the company she works for, explains the art style of HN3

Books: technically the same story as the games but with added details to flesh out the characters, but depict the neighbor as a bad guy which is a bit different than other iterations like the show and such.

Animated Series: connected plot points like characters and similar story but there are a few differences, still connected to the main premise of Hello Neighbors plot but in a different continuity to add a unique narrative to the story Separate from the games while still being similar

Okay that's all, this is how I view the Hello Neighbor "canon"

[dusky hearth]

where is the vandal then?

[ripe coral]

Do we have name of bakery from hn2? I know it's not canon but still

[dusky hearth]

do they both wear the stop mask

[loud canyon]

Gerda I believe

[crude ravine]

Gerda

[ripe coral]

Damn good name

[echo fulcrum]

Ok so are the spin offs canon to hn2?