hn3-discussion

[restive oxide]

it's not physically possible

[subtle bridge]

that is the game after all

[near meadow]

Could be if the “guest” possession gimmick is a thing still.

But without him being supernatural in way.

[wispy flame]

[near hawk]

I can low-key see this somewhat.

They could do a sci-fi thing, or they could build up on symbolism, imagination, etc.

In a way like what grandM's theory is.

[crystal hare]

btw is the main character going to get the same "unusual" skin tone like the other citizens? Or he will get another skin tone to underline his non belonging to the city?

[celest plank]

i feel like the second option would be a better choice

so the character is out of place

[severe merlin]

I’m still wondering why people keep asking about skin tones 🙂
Have you played Psychonauts, btw?

[eager glade]

its probably because it doesnt suit well in the game but i think its pretty cool

[crystal hare]

No I haven't

[crystal hare]

No I don't think so. I knida like the artstile of the characters and how they look in the game

[keen hemlock]

Hey nikita i know you said iris doesn't have her own story so she wouldn't be in pre alpha but i wanna say this: Iris is the only character that evoked the feeling of oddly familiarity in my head. Like i looked at her and she reminded me of like a character i saw in a cartoon or a magazine or a flash game--really hard to tell. She and Janusz gave off that feeling to me. Hope she comes back in future builds 🤞

The historian is a character that i felt i saw somewhere in real life, like in a village or something which is cool

[haughty tide]

Well the reason why people are asking about that is because they are not used to seeing HN characters being in different skin tones. It's always been HN characters in their normal skin tones.

also by the way. it's different for psychonauts. they always have been stuck with these skin tones in their games, they never like changed the skin tones or anything that would seem off for their next games. but on the hello neighbor other hand, we always have seen hn characters with their normal skin tones, nothing has changed about the skin tones until hn3, so you must like understand of why it's odd to see different skin tones in hn3.

[tacit cargo]

We need to save Iris, like her character would be taking care of her brother, after her parents passed away.

She is also good friends with Jacob

And wants to protect him

[signal geyser]

I wonder what happened to the characters from Secret neighbor?

[tacit cargo]

They probably got older, and moved out

[abstract notch]

they’re grown up and moved out

[signal geyser]

So do I, but I still want an official response.

[abstract notch]

There’s another answer tho

That they’re dead

All of ‘em

[signal geyser]

Neighbor is older. But he's in his prime

[abstract notch]

Idk how

Like he looks stronger now

How is a grandpa stronger than a 40 y/o dad?!

[tacit cargo]

I think in resset day enzo got married to trinity, but idk

[abstract notch]

I hope they’re dead

[tacit cargo]

Am i the only one baffled by the decision to scrap iris? Was she so unimportant?

[brave thunder]

maybe she'll come back in later versions

[tacit cargo]

Maybe

Maybe

[signal geyser]

Yes, she unimportant. But she’ll be back.

[tacit cargo]

But then, Isaac will be alone

[brave thunder]

they can change the lore and Isaac's family might be someone else/new character

[tacit cargo]

I'll try to boat with it, this is a comment on these news i got

[haughty tide]

oh yeah, that would be scary...

[keen hemlock]

man she will most likely be back

we dont need to have to be existential abt that

[haughty tide]

your right, i don't think they would scrap a character that we have gotten used to.

it would be pretty shame if they did.

[keen hemlock]

shes a fan favourite like cmon

[haughty tide]

yeah exactly. i hope that they find a way to add her in the story of the game somehow.

[tacit cargo]

Random but it just came to me how hello neighbor says a narrative without a single line of dialogue

[near hawk]

Yes and Trinity died.

[tacit cargo]

Damn

[severe merlin]

I understand first confusion. I wonder why people keep asking.
Maybe I am explaining it wrong, I’m not sure

[tacit cargo]

I like it, its like the visual representation of a town filled with strangers you don't know

[haughty tide]

no, you explained it right. people are just not used to seeing the hn characters being in different skin tones. they just don't understand your artistic choice for the characters that you picked for the game. they'll just have to get used to do that in the game.

[tacit cargo]

Racism against green people

[haughty tide]

no dude...

[tacit cargo]

Im kidding

[haughty tide]

not funny.

[tacit cargo]

Srry

[oblique parcel]

Hey nikita this may or may not be a question you cant answer im not quite sure but i just wanted to ask have your vision for the guest as a character evolved since hn2 development? asking since you said your vision for The Neighbor has evolved throughout the years so i was wondering if its the same case for the guest when it comes to hn3

[tacit cargo]

Ted? Could you explain plss

[oblique parcel]

the neighbor

[tacit cargo]

Thanks

[crystal hare]

I just wondered if you're going to use this feature of the artstyle to underline the main character's non belonging to the city bruh

[tacit cargo]

That's what I think

[eager glade]

good..

[near hawk]

Bad.

[drifting heath]

Don't bother Nikita, you can see it's hard for him to answer questions about his own game.

[crystal hare]

oh alr

I think he's just so busy that he misunderstood my question

that's okay

[eager glade]

WHY

[near hawk]

A girl didn't even meet her mother bruh

[ebon pelican]

nikita enus

[eager glade]

If she put my life at risk then she died years later

Yeah man

I don't care

Good

[severe merlin]

It’s not like “everyone in Raven Brooks is green because they feel bad, but the rest of the world is normal”. Those are skin tones of people in HN3 world as a whole. This is normal.

[near hawk]

You're kinda the one that agreed to go there.

[eager glade]

Cuz she's forcing and making it interesting

[near hawk]

How is she making "let's go chase cultists that can rip us in two" interesting...

Oh wait

This isn't really a HN3 matter now is it.

[eager glade]

Cuz she didn't say that she dumb she breaking and entering which is illegal and is stalking people I wouldn't be apart of stalking

[eager glade]

Eh no but still trinity sucks

[near hawk]

Yeah, but the rescue squad was being part of it. They agreed. I mean, even when they left Trinity didn't even scream at them (okay we should either continue this on #hello-neighbor or stop it)

[celest plank]

guys i told yall

my suspicion is (almost) correct!!!!!!!!! 😭

and i was flamed by the whole server for saying it

[near hawk]

Yeah you'll still get flamed low-key.

The like common consensus now is that one of them is the physical being while one is a symbol.

Imo The guest is the physical being while the "Guest" is the symbol

[celest plank]

what

[near hawk]

But I don't wanna take the fake Guest/ multiple Guests option off the table too early, someone said Nikita said there's only one guest but I've been searching for the statement for a while and have not found anything.

[celest plank]

the multiple guest is what i personally think

idk what u mean by symbol

[near hawk]

Like an urban legend or something of that sort.

Or a mascot for the park

[neon ether]

Wait! The playtest of HN3 prototype 3 is over?!

[loud karma]

I can see hn3 having the main characters that are important to the story, and side characters that are there but aren't important to the story, but are there to interact with the main characters and the player.

Because it feels like iris is a side character if there's more focus on isaac (I know iris is shelved for now)

[wild girder]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-head-bang-gif-15984525

[wild girder]

Me right now:

[near hawk]

Heh

[sand flare]

What if he time loops don't apply to the guest and a duplicate is created everytime?

[near hawk]

Sheesh what did bro do to defy the mighty mayak

[sand flare]

He was created by the mayak so the rules probably don't apply to it or him

[wild girder]

I doubt that because it kinda goes against the whole "groundhog day butterfly effect idea"

[sand flare]

Maybe he was made to keep order while the time loops happen so no-one can defy it

[wild girder]

And I don't think that would even work on a technical level.

[sand flare]

That's why he catches you if you got to far

Because the timeloop only applys to raven brooks and he doesn't want you to escape

The time loops...

Because it says in the books raven books is cursed not the rest of the world

[wild girder]

I'm not even sure if the whole time loop thing is even a narrative thing, just a gameplay one.

[untold grotto]

#hn3-discussion message yes

hn3 is not canonically looping

[wild girder]

Good to know.

I hope one of the endings is a "stop the storm/save the town" ending.

[narrow gust]

Since their are some phone numbers around raven brooks it would be cool if there was a character or at least a system that would allow you to call these numbers in game to get certain items or lore

[peak solar]

I think it's funny how people ask about character skin tones

but don't ask seemingly more important questions

[eager glade]

Lmao

[bronze steppe]

Surely cus basically all of the important questions are lore related, and Nikita basically cant say that stuff ngl

[peak solar]

like, for example, here's an important question to me

is the Forest Dweller still a thing?

was it intended to always be the Guest in the end?

or is it some other, separate thing?

[untold grotto]

i think files being mentioning 2 "guest"s do means forest dweller is still a thing

because theres Guest and ForestDweller

[peak solar]

absolutely hilarious that Fake Guest might not be an insane conspiracy theory, but an actually important, plot-relevant thing

[tall sorrel]

unclear
because Nikita just talked about Guest and "Guest" yesterday

.

[peak solar]

technically two meanings

since the "Guest" could be the one seen in billboards and other stuff

[tall sorrel]

the eye emoji could imply something more there though because of

[lunar trail]

i hope they bring back guest's connection to like eye imagery

[eager glade]

Kinda makes m think about the old hello guest logo

[near hawk]

It's a closed eye here.

[opaque summit]

i kinda miss the closed eye thing from hg

[teal nebula]

everyone can't enter Hello Neighbor 3?

[sleek moat]

ye

[opaque summit]

the playtest is over

[teal nebula]

oh

[opaque summit]

launch it through your files

[teal nebula]

what if I've already deleted it?

[sleek moat]

archives

[teal nebula]

steam?

[sleek moat]

no archives

[restive oxide]

that would be piracy

[sleek moat]

but it risky

[sleek moat]

ik

[restive oxide]

why would you mention pirating hn
on the official
hn server

[sleek moat]

i meant dont archive it

its the only way but its pirating

[restive oxide]

[sleek moat]

for some reaason i think i know that plugin

[teal nebula]

and if the alpha comes out, will we get the game?

[sleek moat]

we will get pre alpha

[teal nebula]

and those people who deleted the game

[sleek moat]

but until then we have to wait until nikita puts the playtests under prototype tab

yes if the pre alpha comes out you will get it

[restive oxide]

you still have it in steam

You're fine

even if it isn't installed

[sleek moat]

it just wont show up on steam until the next playtest comes out

Wait will pre alpha take less time since they have the map already

[eager glade]

ehh still a resemblance to what nikita said its the only proof i can find idk what else

[near hawk]

There's the medallion he has in HN2 patch 9.

[eager glade]

i thought that was a coin but nice catch

[near hawk]

Though, Nikita hasn't worked on that.

[eager glade]

hmm

[near hawk]

Wait was it

Gonna need to check

[lunar trail]

its not a coin

[near hawk]

Yeah it's an eye

[eager glade]

could the eye mean smth like guest being a menacing creature that wants to kill you

[near hawk]

It can mean he's connected to the mayak

[eager glade]

Yeah

[clear socket]

Hello neighbor prototype 3 is over

yay

next prototype

BUT IS THERE

normally after a prototype theres no prototype to download but it dosent say any prototypes arent in acsess

BUT

IT could mean

[near hawk]

Pre-alpha 👆 🤓

[clear socket]

YESSSSSS

tru

true

it could be

YAY

[near hawk]

It is

[clear socket]

yes

[near hawk]

#hn3-discussion message

[clear socket]

bro i just got told off for saying y too much

it said oi

oh yea

true

whens the pre alpha gonna happen though

[near hawk]

Unknown but soon most likely

[sleek moat]

i mean its almost been 4 months

i think

and plus they already made the map

[sleek moat]

because for p3 they had to make it from scratch

[tranquil bobcat]

Hello

[chrome sun]

Do y'all wanna see my new HN3 OC's I made?

[sleek moat]

bet

[tranquil bobcat]

Sure

[tranquil bobcat]

oohh

.fire

[sleek moat]

w\

[tranquil bobcat]

im like really into the hello neighbor 3 stuff

[sleek moat]

same

[gentle carbon]

are they also tall or just got stick legs?

[sleek moat]

making a mod

[tranquil bobcat]

ive been making alot of theorys

Im Think They Will Release The HN3 Prototype 4 Around April

Because I Know They Are Aiming Towards The Development Of The Neighbors AI

[sleek moat]

nikita said it will be called pre alpha

[tranquil bobcat]

And They Alr Mentioned That The Town Design Will Stay

[dusky hearth]

i think that aaron is the guest

[tranquil bobcat]

hmm

interesting

[dusky hearth]

because when we were playing as aaron

[sleek moat]

here

[dusky hearth]

there wasnt guest

[sleek moat]

nope

[dusky hearth]

but when we werent playing as arron

[sleek moat]

its franklin

[tranquil bobcat]

Alr** Pre Alpha** moving on

[dusky hearth]

there was the guest

[sleek moat]

wdym

it cant be aaron

look in intro hn2

[dusky hearth]

but when it was hn2 or hn3

[tranquil bobcat]

Aaron Is A Child

Dod You See That Tall Ah Geust Design

[dusky hearth]

oh i forgot the names

[sleek moat]

i think its franklin

the neighbors brother

[dusky hearth]

the one who we started in hn1

nickey

[sleek moat]

i think when franklin died he got powers to turn intro guest

[tranquil bobcat]

Welll

[sleek moat]

its not nicky

nikcy a kid when guest is adult

[dusky hearth]

but in hn2 there isnt nicky and hn3 nicky

[tranquil bobcat]

Isnt There More Than One Geust

[sleek moat]

i dont think so

[tranquil bobcat]

Guest*

[dusky hearth]

and there wasnt an guest in hn1

only in hn2 and hn3 when there wasnt nicky

[tranquil bobcat]

Well Taking That In HN2 There Was A Whole Religion On The Guest

I Feel Like There Is More Of Them

But I Dont Know For Sure

[sleek moat]

in the show nikcy is kid

and guest is adult

in the show

[dusky hearth]

but in hn1 nicky has grown to an adult

when u end the game

[tranquil bobcat]

waiittt

thats true

[sleek moat]

yeah but thats a little before hn3

[tranquil bobcat]

also i dont get how the neighbors house location changes so much

[sleek moat]

well

[dusky hearth]

he steals

[sleek moat]

lol

[tranquil bobcat]

XD

[sleek moat]

nah its just nikita updating cannon

[dusky hearth]

for me the worst hello neighbor game was

hello guest

[sleek moat]

ehh

i like the hg prototype

totally real hn3 leak

[tranquil bobcat]

So Is The HN3 Guest Figure Actually The Guest

[dusky hearth]

how can he even run

[sleek moat]

yes

who knows

hes probably really slow

like slower than hn2 neighbor

[tranquil bobcat]

Well I Know That The HN3 Guest Design Is Final

[sleek moat]

yes

I think if the guest has powers he can turn into hn3 guest

and a crow

[tranquil bobcat]

So How Does The HN3 And HN2 Guests Match

[clear socket]

yea

[tranquil bobcat]

Then Why Hasn't He Changed In The Earlier Parts Of The Franchise

[clear socket]

oh yeah true

[sleek moat]

well nikita didnt work on hn2 full game

[clear socket]

like why has he got so many branches on him

[dusky hearth]

ik that neighbor will die in the hn3 end but i cant prove it

[clear socket]

i ment it

actually the guest isnt a he or a she its..

A demon

[sleek moat]

ehh

[dusky hearth]

nope its an furry

[sleek moat]

i dont belive it

[dusky hearth]

LOOK HOW IT RUNS

[sleek moat]

lol

[clear socket]

its true

[tranquil bobcat]

Then Would That Be The End Of The Franchise, Or Would they Use The Guest Or Another Antagonist To Continue It?

[clear socket]

wanna know why in secret neighbor the neighbor has black around his eyes

[low gate]

Me when p0ison you on _YT

[sleek moat]

hn3 is the last hn game

[clear socket]

because its the demon wearing a disguise

[dusky hearth]

HE GUest becomes the vilian

[sleek moat]

hu

[clear socket]

were not just saving nicky from the basement

were saving the neighbor

too

in secret neighbor

[low gate]

Hello everybody my name is Mikeipleer

[tranquil bobcat]

Has That Been Announced

[sleek moat]

uhh

not reaally

another totally real hn3 leak

[tranquil bobcat]

XD

[low gate]

He is the steve of the north west

[tranquil bobcat]

fr

[sleek moat]

nikcy hn3 be like

[dusky hearth]

but the ai in hello neighbor pre alpha was crazy

[tranquil bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Lu1KsrgrVX0

[low gate]

Hello Neibhen

[near hawk]

No I'm pretty sure Nikita referenced him as a he multiple times.

[sleek moat]

yeah

why would it be a she

[tranquil bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZQAtje2B-PY

[dusky hearth]

also why didnt the nickys friends didnt show up in hello neighbor?

[tranquil bobcat]

im just sharing my edits dont judge

: P

[chrome sun]

I make sketches of them if they were in game without the stick figure style. I just like drawing them Like that

[dusky hearth]

wait also

the guest cant be an human

[sleek moat]

human with powers

[dusky hearth]

its to fast to be an human

[sleek moat]

human with powers

[dusky hearth]

maybe it was someone who had experiments

[sleek moat]

franklin

cough... cough...

[tranquil bobcat]

I Dont Think The Guest Is A Human

[near hawk]

He transforms into a crow in SaR and yet we know the guest isn't supernatural so...

[tranquil bobcat]

Bc Like You Said The Guest Can Change Into Whatever/Whoever They Want

[sleek moat]

franklin can

[tranquil bobcat]

So How Do You Know That The Guest Weve Seen Is His/Its Real Form

[sleek moat]

it isnt his real form

[tranquil bobcat]

Why Could He Just Have Changed Into A Human?

[sleek moat]

idk revenge

[dusky hearth]

but the neighbor will die HES 95 YEARS OLD

[sleek moat]

85

[near hawk]

What I'm saying here is that the surface level stuff isn't always what's actually happening.

[dusky hearth]

but he still can die

[sleek moat]

true

[tranquil bobcat]

I Wonder What Happened To The Pre Alpha Man : P

[dusky hearth]

didnt the neighbor bury him alive?

[sleek moat]

hes not cannon

and plus he was just early nicky

[untold grotto]

not nicky

just early player

[sleek moat]

yeah

[tranquil bobcat]

damn

i miss him tho ;-;

[sleek moat]

true

[dusky hearth]

why did neighbor jst type

[sleek moat]

was that ep--

[tranquil bobcat]

stein

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-noisy-hello-neighbour-neighbor-neighbour-gif-233887133729911524

heh 13

[sleek moat]

not a very good bio...

[tranquil bobcat]

XD

[dusky hearth]

wait why cant i play hello neighbor 3 anymore

[sleek moat]

playtest is over

[dusky hearth]

awh

when could we play again

never?

[sleek moat]

no

[near hawk]

When pre-alpha releases.

[sleek moat]

when pre alpha is out

[dusky hearth]

so never

[sleek moat]

you can play pre alpha

[lucid crescent]

Nikita is online

[tranquil bobcat]

oh damn

[near hawk]

Pre-alpha is releasing fairly soon most likely.

[tranquil bobcat]

i alr streamed an beat hn3 so ye

[dusky hearth]

okey me go do something in hn2

OH

i had the dlc

ok me go play bye

[near hawk]

They usually only stop play test a short while before the next build.

[dusky hearth]

ņot anymore

[lucid crescent]

Yes he is

[tranquil bobcat]

i think they will be releasing the pre alpha for it in about 1.5 - 2 months

[sleek moat]

show me

ye

[tranquil bobcat]

bc of their past upload times

[sleek moat]

since they just change character models and make the new neighbor ai

[tranquil bobcat]

witch i made a theory that they would release a teasor on the development about 2.5 months after hn3 prototype 3

which happened

and i think they will release the pre-alpha around 4-6 months after the enitial release of prototype 3

[sleek moat]

yeah

its already been what 3

4?

[dusky hearth]

NIKITA ONline again!!

[tranquil bobcat]

prototype 3 released november 11 i think

so its been 3 months

[shadow umbra]

Is anybody here good at modding?

[sleek moat]

it was november 10

[tranquil bobcat]

ye so i was close

[sleek moat]

characters or objects

[shadow umbra]

Objects, im looking to import the fire extinguisher into the mod kit

I already have the mesh

[sleek moat]

i can do objects

but not characters

[shadow umbra]

Ok, ill add you

[sleek moat]

ilr

[sleek moat]

yo nikita i got a question, will sliding be implemented aagain

[untold grotto]

#hn3-discussion message

[lucid crescent]

Nikita will we get the name and gender of the player after you showcase the concept art

[shadow umbra]

Hey nikita, I kinda need a bit of help with the fire extinguisher blueprint. New to modding

[sand flare]

Why are u asking nikita✌️ 😭

[sand flare]

Go to the modding server

[shadow umbra]

Do you have a link to it?

[near meadow]

Yeah

But thats why I say, the fake guest theory is plausible as the “Symbolism one”

Hn3 “guest” is far more “human” the ones we saw which was more cryptid

Something is off about this specific guest. Very off.

[earnest cape]

So we’re going to get like a half of what the core story is. That’s cool to hear.

[near meadow]

Stylistic choices are all in the art-style true, like the neighbor. But the neighbor still looks like the neighbor we saw beforehand, just stylized.

But “The guest” on the other than doesn’t look like the guest in hn3.

[earnest cape]

I think the best explanation I’ve heard is by “guest” is referring to the character himself while “guest without quotations” is referring to the myth/urban legend of the character.

[shadow umbra]

Do you have a link?

[sleek moat]

I do

[late veldt]

nowhere near half lol

a slice is a term in gamedev for like a proof of concept build more or less

the prototypes were just test builds this will be like the first full attempt to showcase what hn3 will eventually be once its finished

[swift dagger]

Will the neighbor die in hn3

[lucid crescent]

No

[abstract notch]

He never died in any game

Plus

He still has the strength of a 40 probably 30 y/o man

[novel peak]

You have a date for the next Devlog Nikita Sir?

[trim trout]

do you?

[lucid crescent]

He don't share dates

[fleet sandal]

I predict the next devlog and the Pre-Alpha's release will be in 4 months from now.

[near meadow]

But once again….

Theres too many differences

I’ll assume the possibility of HN3’s guest of being aaron himself

[lucid crescent]

Nikita will we see the neighbor take action

[wild girder]

What do you mean by that?

[lucid crescent]

Like fight

[wild girder]

Well, I can imagine he will attack the player if he sees them in his hideout place

[woven lodge]

What will the Neighbor do? He's practically a walking corpse now.

[glad narwhal]

He walks slow, but he still has his tools and gadgets. Bear traps can be thrown and placed, cameras, and other traps. But not just traps, as there is Mayak stuff too. And while he walks slow, he still got strength.

Also shovel, he can throw stuff really hard.

[woven lodge]

Just push him down, he'll break all of his bones.

[glad narwhal]

Gadgets and tools can be used, like HE drones (which use Mayak tech mostly and such), and more likely lawn-o-trons. And even mannequin bots can still exist maybe. But other yah tech and hedgers, he is still strong. As the HN3 cutscene suggests he isn’t just super weak or anything and still hard to face, that he won’t just break his bones too easily. Also the fact Historian is older than him.

[woven lodge]

Speaking of the prototype 3 ending cutscene, what was his goal there after knocking over the statue? Was it just to restart the storm or was he planning to try and fight the entire town?

[gentle carbon]

personally I think his main plan was to give the prototype an interesting ending

[glad narwhal]

He is angered and blinded by rage, that the town is still celebrating what corrupted and destroyed him. And he is gonna see it as worshipping became his rage and anger in is the way. And yes also to keep storm going.

[woven lodge]

Also I know they'll probably make him stronger than his design suggest but they should at least try and make the design look less like a frail old man and an actual threat.

[glad narwhal]

He is still threatening. As this is concept art, but look at the game.

[earnest cape]

Mr. Peterson has always been super strong and I doubt he won’t be capable in HN3. I mean I would say Mr. Peterson in his prime could have fought Mike Tyson.

[glad narwhal]

lol

But maybe true. Just if he didn’t have so much fear take him over, and controlled himself more he could win.

[earnest cape]

I mean he was able to take on 9 cops single handed before getting tackled down he’s definitely a beast.

[woven lodge]

Honestly I think if they wanna keep the old frail man design, but give him similar strength then he should have an exoskeleton.

[glad narwhal]

Yea. But he was blinded by fear of not knowing Aaron’s where abouts and that tired him now and he became way more anxious. Thats why he was taken down.

[earnest cape]

Also picked up a fully grown man (Quentin) with one arm.

[earnest cape]

Oh yeah definitely.

[woven lodge]

I just hope they bring back his vacuum.

[glad narwhal]

He can use that too in HN3.

He looks non threatening at first but more, just intimidating. And slowly he becomes more way threatening. And even out of control, if it gets there.

[woven lodge]

The lack of the vacuum is the reason why HN2's AI failed.

Because the AI didn't have any long ranged way of getting the player even if they are in view.

If HN3 had the vacuum then the game is improved by at least 64%.

[earnest cape]

Should’ve made the AI able to jump and climb instead of an animation telling the player to get down from wherever they are.

[glad narwhal]

That’s because the AI had so many task and such that it couldn’t handle too well. Hence, Mayors house was me at to have a functioning security system in game.

[woven lodge]

Jumping and climbing could cause the AI to get stuck, while a vacuum or other long range device solves all of it.

[trim trout]

Ik how to not get captured by the historian! Take her cane

[glad narwhal]

That animation is meant for when player is outside of property but still close enough to have player get mad. And they say either one here and face me, or leave.

[glad narwhal]

Never said she was stronger than Theo, just good to mention.

But lol

[trim trout]

Just in general

lol

[earnest cape]

True but I feel the vacuum is too wacky which is why it only worked for HN1 while other games that are more base line away from wackiness wouldn’t work well I’d say. Also HN3 isn’t focused on AI catching you but instead their systems and how your actions affect them.

[glad narwhal]

Well it can work for HN2, maybe dif design for that game. The whole series is wacky.

[woven lodge]

Let the series be wacky and whimsical!

[trim trout]

https://tenor.com/view/stealing-thief-thats-mine-allegra-edwards-ingrid-gif-17072636

[glad narwhal]

Even HN3 is wacky

[earnest cape]

Eh kinda I liked HN2 for how grounded it was.

[trim trout]

Just imagine right now in this GIF that that’s the cane

[shadow umbra]

I kinda hope they wont reveal the guests identity since it will keep him mysterious

[glad narwhal]

Well the series isn’t like, too grounded. There timeloops, Mayak, and Guest exist the way he does in that game.

[trim trout]

Ya I want to know who he is but also I want it to be secret

[earnest cape]

True but it’s more sci-fi I think HN3 would benefit with a more grounded gameplay loop that’s a fun sandbox to mess around with.

[glad narwhal]

Loops is sci fi but it’s not grounded the way it is.

[shadow umbra]

I first thought the guest was Mr Peterson but since the guest kidnapped him in the alpha it cant be

[earnest cape]

Fair enough.

[shadow umbra]

Some say it may be nicky but im not too sure

[earnest cape]

Alphas aren’t canon.

[glad narwhal]

In alpha

[lucid crescent]

Nicky is done

[earnest cape]

100% not Nicky.

[trim trout]

Nikita said I think that Mr Peterson was the guest

[earnest cape]

The Guest is a character we’ve most likely never seen or know.

[earnest cape]

I believe that’s not true though HG era it was intended to be at first.

[shadow umbra]

That would be a twist, if it just was some entity behind the mask we never knew

[trim trout]

That’s what I was thinking

[glad narwhal]

Now I can’t send message links?!

[trim trout]

?

[glad narwhal]

I can’t send photos or vids, now no message links.

I was sending Nikita’s, Guest or Guest message.

[woven lodge]

What if the guest is like a hive mind inside of the cultists or something weird?

[lucid crescent]

Impossible

[shadow umbra]

Since its a mystery, I dont think Nikitaa will reveal it

[lucid crescent]

It's Story Related

[trim trout]

Well the 3 kids where Mr Peterson and I forgot the others. And the Guest kidnapped them. So the guest can’t be Mr Peterson

Also Mr Peterson is not 10 ft now

[shadow umbra]

Dang it would be a plot twist if the guest didnt even wear a mask and just looked like that

[trim trout]

That will be crazy

[shadow umbra]

Maybe the shadow man is the guest?

[earnest cape]

Well again alphas aren’t canon.

[glad narwhal]

No

[trim trout]

Ya

[trim trout]

True

[earnest cape]

Anyways I wonder who’s model we’re getting next now that we’ve gotten Historians full design. I remember seeing Nikita say that Iris was going to get finished so I have hunch it’s her next.

[glad narwhal]

Janusz maybe

[trim trout]

Probably Janusz

[earnest cape]

Possibly Janusz.

[lucid crescent]

Janusz

Perhaps

[woven lodge]

This also applies to the HN3 prototypes too though.

[earnest cape]

Yes it does! they aren’t canon either.

Though as development goes on some things may carry over we don’t know. Like Nikita has already said a portion of the core story of the game will be in pre-alpha even though it isn’t canon we can get an idea of what might be the full canon story.

[woven lodge]

So we really know nothing about HN3 lore wise, just ideas.

[earnest cape]

Pretty much but again some ideas may carry over.

Such as the storm which as of now seems still relevant.

[dark bison]

Prime Peterson would probably be able to beat the hulk.

[winged jungle]

That's too far

[earnest cape]

Yeah that’s a little too much he’s strong but not THAT strong 😭

[trim trout]

Why can't I play hn3 and yes I'm under a rock

[earnest cape]

I think the playtest ended I believe.

[trim trout]

ok

I'm exited for the pre alpha

[earnest cape]

I think it will be interesting.

I’m wondering about Devlog 4. What could the storytelling and cinematography be for it.

[trim trout]

ya devlog 3 was like Groundhog day

that devlog was raigebait

[fair oriole]

?

Why ragebait?

[trim trout]

how he was keep ruining the cake

[earnest cape]

Supposed to represent how you learn about the world and restart and use that knowledge to progress or do things differently.

Which is a core element of HN3.

[trim trout]

ohhh but I wanted to scream everytime

[earnest cape]

For example when events play out next time you play you’ll know when that happens and maybe change it.

[thick ferry]

hello hows everyone doing?:d

[tall sorrel]

yeah
we apply some things currently but if it changes in a later build of HN3 we'll have to scrap those ideas

[fleet sandal]

If the alpha stage spans the entirety of 2026 and the beta stage spans 2027, then I would say the release would be somewhere around late 2028.

[smoky prairie]

Hello neighbor 3 playtest has been over

[woven lodge]

Hello Neighbor 3 playtest 2 on the other hand...

[near hawk]

Mike Tyson would NOT beat that many cops.

[brisk forum]

8 cops

[near hawk]

This is kinda sorta funny to think about given In HN1 he is supposed to be like... A little out of shape too. So you got parts like what you described in future games in juxta position with Ted struggling to wrestle a 13 year old

[near hawk]

Also this

[near hawk]

He was In Hello guest.

[celest ravine]

Next devlog will take months ig

More than a year has passed since devlog 2

[earnest cape]

Off by 1.

[earnest cape]

Yeah in HN1 they made him seem a lot more skinny and bad postured. HN2 just completely flipped that around and started what we now see as the more built Mr. Peterson.

[safe needle]

When will it be released hello neighbor 3 any one know ?

[near hawk]

Yeah, that was the intention. More grounded, eerie. Elene depicted him as a kind of handsome, strong man.

#throwback-discussion message

I like both interpretations but it also sort of depends on what exactly they wanna do with him.

If it's a misunderstood guy I like the first one more, but with his current take I do like the sort of handsome stronger version.

[small patrol]

guys..... I wanted to play hn3 play test 3 on steam but it says to uninstall.why?

what happened

Damn you tinybuild (joke) Whyyyyyyyy😭

[opaque summit]

the playtest is over

launch it through your files

[wraith cradle]

is this game coming out this year?

[untold grotto]

probably not

[wraith cradle]

why did they announce it so early then

[untold grotto]

to communicate better with the fans

and also

[wraith cradle]

alr

[ebon storm]

e

[untold grotto]

other HN games were also announced long before their release

[ebon storm]

yo hn 3 gonna be fire i think

[civic totem]

Fake Guest is... real?

Crazy

[lusty dove]

Perhaps because from a narrative standpoint, if you create cohesion between all the games and books, you could potentially, for some context, create a sentence like "As time passed, Theodore's pink skin lost its saturation due to stress, isolation, desperation, and obsession" (when the neighbor turns pale, even for example in the animated series)

But moving forward in the narrative and entering HN3, it would be strange now for the skin to turn, for example, blue, because skin was part of the previous narrative and there would be an inconsistency.

If the previous games are official, it would be strange to see the characters acquire, for example, a third eye in the third game; it wouldn't be normal and in line with the reality of the previous narrative.

Or, for example, imagine Aaron describing his sister's red blood in HN1 after accidentally pushing her off the roof. If the blood turned blue in HN3, that description of the past would lose its meaning. I don't know if I explained myself clearly, and I'm sorry for including Aaron's poor sister.

But on the other hand, I like it. the change in skin tone, gives the right vibes and I totally understand Nikita's motivations and art.

[wraith cradle]

will this be continuing hn2 with the last part, cuz hn2 doesnt feel finished

?

[lusty dove]

no

HN2 is cancelled

still canon but not the start point for HN3

[wraith cradle]

wow

[untold grotto]

hn2 is not cancelled

patch 9 was always the final update

[lusty dove]

you know what I mean

[lusty dove]

but it was cut

[wraith cradle]

but why not finish the story?

[untold grotto]

waste of resources

[wraith cradle]

ig bro

[lusty dove]

and probably it is not that much revelant

sadly

[untold grotto]

and they still used the ending somehow

[wraith cradle]

yeah i get it but imo it just makes no sense not to make a part 2 or like smth finishing the story cuz thats the whole point of the game

[untold grotto]

act2s ending is forests ending

[lusty dove]

I would not call it act 2

it is what remains of the lore expansion uptade

but there is no cohesion between the first part of the game and the forest part

[brave thunder]

didn't Nikita just debunked it

he said it's completely accidental

it's way earlier

wait

someone said some similar theory

[sterile fossil]

You guys think we are gonna see Aaron in HN3?

hn3 is a continuation of hn2 right?

Yeah the lore and timeline is really confusing

[near hawk]

He could be the guest in all honesty.

I just haven't seen much evidence for it.

[sterile fossil]

Yeah but isnt the guest like supernatural? Like a creature

[near hawk]

Given this the guest is possibly Aaron.

[near hawk]

No he's not.

I mean maybe on the creature part, but definitely not on the supernatural part.

Maybe. Pretty sure there's two of them in the files.

[sterile fossil]

I just hope HN3 makew sense story wise and gameplay wise.

[lusty dove]

are u guys reading Nikita messages??

[near hawk]

At first the main theory was one of them being the urban legend, and the other is the actual physical being.

[lusty dove]

I think no

[near hawk]

Still can be that.

Nikita goat.

[near hawk]

Half j.

[lusty dove]

Now you've read them, yes.

and also

be respectful

Nikita is doing his best

you did not know, for example, that the map similarity was accidental

me too?

[near hawk]

Though I kinda don't think Nikita is to blame for the two guests thing.

[lusty dove]

I just said that Nikita is workin hard

I don't think he is doing bad with the map

.

[near hawk]

Alex made his own interpretation and Nikita uses his own and now it's a little weird.

[lusty dove]

please can we keep this conversation calm?

you can say whatever you want but I can too

and we have to be respectful to each others and to the devs too

they are not doing bad

P.S. You are not superior to anyone; we are all human beings.

[lusty dove]

I think I take Nikita vision as the most appealing

When I speak, you use those emojis as if I were talking nonsense. I don't think so.

power what?

Power trip? It seemed like you were doing this thing by saying that.

[sterile fossil]

Ok thats actually disrespectful

[lusty dove]

You must show respect to those you don't know. It's the fundamental rule for

having a social life.

oh, ok.

[thick ferry]

whats going on?

[near hawk]

Okay this is getting a little

Out of hand.

[sterile fossil]

Look, ik its frustrating but just dont be rude okay?

[thick ferry]

yeah

[sterile fossil]

Right..

[lusty dove]

you added fuel to the fire, but ok

[thick ferry]

dont

we should talk about the guests desgin in hn3

he runs like

[near hawk]

I really like his animations in that one gif

Or uhh... What's it?

[thick ferry]

30mph or somethi

[near hawk]

Place of reflection I think

I can just imagine him doing this when kidnapping people it's so

[lusty dove]

Since we can express our opinions, as U said, I didn't like that joke. But the problem is what you said afterwards. You talk about respect, you say that everyone can express their opinion and other things, but you're the first one to show disrespect and get angry if I say something.

[near hawk]

It feels like he carries some mock pity

[sterile fossil]

But why would the guest kidnap people

[near hawk]

In GN2 his whole thing is like taking what others don't deserve I think.

So maybe that.

[sterile fossil]

Oh okay

[thick ferry]

i imagine the guest just being bored and just kidnap people

[near hawk]

Although it's not like Iris doesn't care about Isaac or anything like that.

[near hawk]

My first thought actually.

[sterile fossil]

You guys think HN3 will be the last installment of the franchise?

[near hawk]

Probably not imo.

[lusty dove]

it is possible

[near hawk]

Like I do think it will be chronologically the last installment(as in no more events will happen in universe)

[lusty dove]

I don't expect anything else

[near hawk]

But I still think they could release some other stuff.

[near hawk]

A HN1 remake would probably come out after it.

[lusty dove]

But if HN3 is very successful, perhaps they have the money and resources to do other projects.

[near hawk]

They already started prototyping it.

[sterile fossil]

Yeah would be nice cuz the game is a bit messy

[near hawk]

Then maybe like a books continuation or just a new book triliogy.

[lusty dove]

wasn't it what turned out to be HN Diaries?

[thick ferry]

idk maybe

[sterile fossil]

Really? Are there any screenshots

[lusty dove]

that mobile game was initially the remake

[thick ferry]

a hello guest remake would be nice

[near hawk]

I'll show you

[near hawk]

#hello-neighbor message
#hello-neighbor message

[sterile fossil]

Thats some good news

[lusty dove]

old news

I don't think they are still working on it

[near hawk]

They said they wanna make it after HN3 I think

[lusty dove]

TinyBuild also went bankrupt.

[normal cairn]

i feel like i want hello neighbor 3 to be like hello guest theme hello guest style looks really good and maybe hello neighbor 3 map with hello guest atmosphere would be cool and if the store come back where things can be bought and the climbing thing like in hello neighbor 2\

[civic totem]

No?

[lusty dove]

Do you have any sources?

[sterile fossil]

Wait what

[near hawk]

It's in one of the messages I gave links for

[near hawk]

Here

[thick ferry]

really?

how

[near hawk]

The second one specifically

[lusty dove]

yeah sorry, but they faced a severe financial crisis in early 2024, nearly requiring insolvency proceedings

[near hawk]

They almost went bankrupt.

But survived

[lusty dove]

yes

[thick ferry]

yeah but how

[near hawk]

Probably related to the AS at least in part. Apparently they don't even make money from it.

[lusty dove]

yeah they do not

[civic totem]

Poor management, lack of money etc.

[thick ferry]

looks great

[near hawk]

Pretty sure the idea is the AS promotes their games and they make money from that.

I think soundtracks is something they can do well.

[lusty dove]

we have to thank artists

probably now with HN3

surely not with HN2 full game

and some other games

[near hawk]

Yeah he hasn't even worked on that one.

[lusty dove]

I know

did he work on HE?

I think neither

but I'm not sure

[near hawk]

I don't think so.

[lusty dove]

so sad what HE turned out to be, The game was supposed to be more initially.

[civic totem]

Siarhei is making the music under Nikita's direction

[near hawk]

Yh no he hasn't

[near hawk]

I think originally we were supposed to play as Ted after crashing on the island.

And like it was a survival game or something of that sort.

Oh wait

[lusty dove]

there was some scrapped survival stuff, if I remember well

I think it's fun, but it is not a main HN game

it's like a fun side project

with really cool atmosphere

made in Unity

[civic totem]

It exists for money

[lusty dove]

yep

[lusty dove]

too

yeah u're right

[civic totem]

What game does HE look like

[lusty dove]

it's okay

yeah

I've been trying to reach this atmosphere in my UE4.27 fangame but it's quite difficult

I also love the models

I think that is definetely the perfect art style for HN

only thing, I'm not a fan of the 2D grass

[eager glade]

wdym by more styalized were still in a prototype stage so

Well not anymore

pre alpha stage

You can expect it in the final project or an alpha 1 maybe

[civic totem]

Wouldn't a pre-alpha phase still be a prototype phase? 🧠

[civic totem]

/j

[eager glade]

Tbf kinda

Since its the same map idk how it'll look maybe just like prototype 3

But nikita said it'll feel more different he said smth like that

Yeah I get u

[civic totem]

I wonder if we'll get screenshots for the pre-alpha soon

[lusty dove]

If I'm not mistaken, Nikita mentioned it.

[untold grotto]

no

[lusty dove]

lol I am

yep.

[untold grotto]

i mean vandals are sorta cult while they aint

knuckleheads who would sacrifice children

[near hawk]

Nikita said this art style will stay mostly unchanged iirc.

[eager glade]

mostly?

[near hawk]

Other way around, prototype would still be a pre-alpha phase

/j

[near hawk]

#hn3-discussion message
He said this

So it's not even mostly, it just stays like this.
I mean, you never know, there could be some slight changes but probably nothing remotely drastic.

[eager glade]

yeah maybe

[near hawk]

Why would I low-key like living in here...

Yes

It looks full of radiation or smth lol.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308037172238090252/1457634388929151109/true3-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[narrow gust]

I still wonder if we'll ever find out who the 👼 and 👴 characters were

Holy that looks gorgeous

[untold grotto]

isaac and janusz

[narrow gust]

nah I don't think so

Yes

[untold grotto]

i dont think they have designed more npcs while couldnt handle current npcs

[civic totem]

Theory: Raven Brooks is Chernobyl

True

[near hawk]

The origin of the guest is he got affected by radiation.

[untold grotto]

its obviously theyre dude

[delicate sigil]

I literally thought the same thing when i played p3 lmao

Its likely because its based on old american towns in the same area

Since both games take place in old run down american towns probably in PA too

[near hawk]

Yeah they do look similar in terms of atmosphere.

[delicate sigil]

Nitw is confimed to take place in PA iirc

[near hawk]

I think of little misfortune.

[delicate sigil]

Doesnt it have that lol

Theres train tracks and stuff and like a big building that looks like it belonged to some sort of factory

[low gate]

I dont think he meant the flat coloured textures and incredibly low poly models

[delicate sigil]

Yeah true but it still gives off the same atmosphere especially with nitw also being a coal mining town (its been forever since i last played the game so might have poor memory)

[near hawk]

Sorry which ones?

[untold grotto]

in the very first vote nikita mentioned 3 characters

👼 - isaac
👴 - janusz
🧙‍♀️ - historian
#hn3-discussion message

[near hawk]

I see.

[civic totem]

I wonder if the pre-alpha will come out this month considering they removed P3 from Steam a few days ago

Surely it can't be that far away

[untold grotto]

i dont think its soon ngl

[civic totem]

Why

[near hawk]

Last time it took what, less than 2 weeks in between play test closing and next build release no?

[civic totem]

It was ~11 days iirc

[untold grotto]

or "i dont think its this month" is better

no idea, no point of closing the playtest too

[civic totem]

It's because they're actually very ashamed of P3 /j

[untold grotto]

well nikita is working on the players concept art and he also wants player to be in pre alpha

[untold grotto]

and their modeller is on vacation

[near hawk]

Yeah they're gonna completely remake everything about the game next build.

[civic totem]

John Playtest Guy does that

He works for EGS

Me neither tbh

[untold grotto]

also they not having a QA atm will likely delay the release of PA

[low gate]

That happened after HNs release though didnt it

[delicate sigil]

You can still play P3 if you didnt uninstall it

run the executable in the local files

wait I think my hello neighbor 3 just uninstalled itself

nooo

[delicate sigil]

I was thinking about how steam playtests work, do they set an end date when it starts or do they just start it and then stop it whenever?

I have no idea but the first option could explain why it closed now

Strange maybe Pre-alpha is soon then

[frosty gyro]

they made the alphas available on seperate storepages during a sn event or something

[low gate]

Random

[delicate sigil]

I want to hope too I just find it a little strange that we have seen nearly nothing of the pre-alpha except maybe the leg IK update, but maybe they're just teasing less, I remember P3 had teasers for the town

Patch 10 flashbacks

I wonder if this pre-alpha will actually be a bigger deal or if its just called pre-alpha

I mean P3 was pretty advanced for a prototype already

Didnt nikita say at one point that the P3 map was gonna be the final map that they just keep updating?

Oh wait I misread my bad

I honestly think they shouldnt make it any bigger if they are sticking with this character count

it already feels very empty when I play I rarely see neighbors

[untold grotto]

the main problem is

they dont have QA at the moment

[untold grotto]

thats why im saying it may not be soon

[delicate sigil]

could it be because they feel like they've gotten all the feedback they need?

[untold grotto]

the whole closing thing is pointless actually

i could see them doing with prototype 1

but it was unneeded for p2-3

[delicate sigil]

My prototype seems to have uninstalled itself somehow I just turned my pc on and now its not in my library or my files anymore

strange

Well I got to play it yesterday which was enough for me

Yeah I know but im always careful with downloading stuff from there

internet

I might get it from there when I feel like completing it (never did lol)

i wasnt too big of a fan of the whole statue building thing tbh

with so many things

felt too much like a fetch quest running around getting pieces

[untold grotto]

and statue is not in pre alpha i guess

or its not as important as it used to be

[delicate sigil]

Yeah ive had that complaint too since P1 but appereantly the time will be far less restricting in the final game, still sucks, always gives me a feeling of having to rush

just enjoying the game feels like ruining the run

I hate it too but tbf I dont know a way they could do it differently with how the whole game works

like Hn1 and hn2 were based around doing puzzles and hn3 is more about things happening

I just hope the time gets extended a whole lot so it doesnt feel like you gotta do something right now

[untold grotto]

yes there was

nikita mentioned story and sandbox mode last year

[delicate sigil]

im just imagining getting a super cool item or making some achivement in a run just for the "time to run out" and I cant really do anything with it

[near hawk]

Yeah but nothing serious iirc. Just something they thought of.

[delicate sigil]

something like HN2's free mode where theres no big event thats coming just the AI's being AI's and basically a sandbox would be cool for hn3

[near hawk]

Intruders vs defenders or the PvE approach?

[delicate sigil]

I agree but I also get nikita's point about the pvp aspect becoming toxic very fast

[near hawk]

Oh I see

[gentle carbon]

I was speed running the game because of it, and never even interacted with the townspeople. I just assumed it was a prototype thing to get people moving, or days would be MUCH longer in full release

[delicate sigil]

Yes nikita said back on p1 or something that the timespan would be much longer

[gentle carbon]

I never even saw the old lady

[delicate sigil]

The thing im the most worried about for hn3 is that they depart from having the AI's make things happen trough like the AI's doing thigns on their own and it becomes more like a scripted set of events

like for example on day 2 it always rains

id rather the rain is just a random event

[gentle carbon]

the storm in general feels like a thing that won't be in the full release idk why, maybe just because its just dropped on you in the prototype, I imagine it will be more natural in the full release if its there

tbh main annoyance with it while playing was just I wanted more time in the daylight

especially with the rain starting

is it only one day of sun?

ew

general reaction

[delicate sigil]

This might be lifted slightly with the game getting far more paths later on, right now the problem with the prototypes is just that theres only one (or two) obvious endings youre meant to get and the rest are bad

[gentle carbon]

I was always kinda confused how they were going to balance the interactive "you can change these people lives... or do nothing" and the game side "yeah there are endings to this game, and it has a narrative of some kind"

they seem confident

but they usually do

HN1 they seemed confident, and it came out fine but I feel missing some AI stuff. HN2 they seemed REALLY confident to me.... and it WAS missing some AI

not ai stuff

some ai

Im still salty over HN2

I bought the best version

with the DLC

came out not as advertised... and then didn't even really finish

now that I know about the cut stuff im really annoyed

[opaque summit]

i doubt that it will end up as bad as hn1 and 2 when nikita is involved

and they (probably) have a programmer

[near hawk]

And had more experience.

(Nikita was also involved in HN1)

[opaque summit]

yeah

but the main programmer left iirc

so the ai wasnt too great

[untold grotto]

yeah

he left during alpha 2

[opaque summit]

if he didnt leave the ai would probably be a bit better at least

[gentle carbon]

at least for HN1 it wasn't as much of a monumental change as HN2's ai thing was. HN1 just kinda became a shell of what it was shown to be

but that game had other issues

[timber pilot]

i never actually played hn2. how was its ai and general gameplay?

[opaque summit]

i thought it was fun but waaaay too short

the ai wasnt that good either

[timber pilot]

damn

[gentle carbon]

I liked the world interaction generally more than the first game, and the AI was fine, very very basic pathing and can cheese it every easily. But comparing it to what they marketed it as its abysmal, like what they showed just wasn't in the game straight up

and not even really a finished game

there was supposed to be a story expansion or something that got cut

[timber pilot]

so like how hn1 promised great stealth horror with a learning ai that would try to predict you but it ended up just being spamming bear traps and cameras

[opaque summit]

it sucks that patch 9 never became what it was supposed to be

[gentle carbon]

HN1 was a shell of what it was marketed as, HN2 just wasn't what they said it was

you can look up the AI trailer

they did a whole rundown of what it was going to be

[timber pilot]

im still confused with what happened with the development of hn2

it changed so many times

[gentle carbon]

yeah it like restarted a bunch right?

[opaque summit]

i think it basically restarted twice

hello guest and hn2a2

or thats just when it changed a lot

[gentle carbon]

Was it that patch 9 was going to be act 2, but then it was the forest stuff which was kinda going to be part of act 2, so then it was like patch 10 would actually be it especially with them teasing stuff for it in patch 9 but then it was canceled? thats my current understanding

[opaque summit]

patch 9 was supposed to be the story expansion

[gentle carbon]

but it was just the Forrest right?

[opaque summit]

and im not sure if there ever was a patch 10

[opaque summit]

yes

i think it was also supposed to have the guests den

[timber pilot]

despite the complete fumbles of the past games i honestly have hopes that this one can go well

i feel they actually have a good hold on the idea

[opaque summit]

even if the previous games werent that good i still enjoyed them

[gentle carbon]

I found a really good channel that went over it and seemed like it was going to be Catacombs shown in that one cutscene thing on youtube, then the forest, then destroyed town?

[opaque summit]

and i already like where hn3 is going

[timber pilot]

yeah

[opaque summit]

oh yeah

that too

i assume the floor plans in the sewers would also have been made into an actual location

[gentle carbon]

and in the forrest you can find those photos of thing destroyed and burning

[timber pilot]

really wish i could play the prototype but ever since the second one my computer can NOT run it at more than like 5 fps at most

[gentle carbon]

see all the stuff they had planned for HN2 actually seems really really cool

but it never happend

heh heh heh

AHHHH

[opaque summit]

its such a shame

i remember getting so excited when i saw that the guest was supposed the climb and jump among the trees

and it never got implemented

[timber pilot]

wait THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT!?

[gentle carbon]

yep

[opaque summit]

there were videos of that yes

[timber pilot]

that would have been soooo cool

[near hawk]

I think destroyed town was before forest. Since there'd have to be something in between The Guest releasing Quentin and him chasing him around and also because the pictures of the ruined town are found in the forest (though that could be foreshadowing)

[opaque summit]

they sholdve added the owls too

to add a bit of ambience

[hexed sedge]

Did someone say owl

[opaque summit]

yeah

[hexed sedge]

I can't send the owl laughing 😭

No perms

[gentle carbon]

I think it was just hints, and wouldn't catacombs or whatever fit between being released and then the guest chasing you around

[timber pilot]

honestly i know nothing about the hello neighbour lore past the first game lol

[gentle carbon]

oh man do you even know about the time loops? (I dont I just know they exist)

[opaque summit]

rip this little guy

[timber pilot]

i think ive heard like a little bit about that existing but nothing of what that really is

is that gonna be heavily relevant to hn3?

[gentle carbon]

If you really want to find out the deep stuff go to noteg on youtube, Its how I learned about all this, at least with HN2

they compile stuff nicely

its very hard to just find videos covering this stuff

at least for me

[near hawk]

So uhh there's a cult

[timber pilot]

yup

[near hawk]

And luck manipulation

[timber pilot]

huh.

[near hawk]

...And weather manipulation

[gentle carbon]

I am yet to know anything about this, but I will soon enough I guess

[near hawk]

.....and massive pits opening in the ground

[timber pilot]

guessing thats related to the hn3 storm stuff

[near hawk]

........and possibly other dimensions

[timber pilot]

WHAT

[near hawk]

(possible)

[gentle carbon]

and the mayak, all questions can be answered with the word "mayak" from what I can tell

[near hawk]

Also to 3 of the 200-long novels.