#Constitution Vote

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open knoll
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Most of these notes are irrelevant to 6/7 run, which counts votes differently. This is mostly from digging through the code and not all of it is tested so use at your own risk.

Assembly Vote

There are 25 votes in the assembly: 1 Independent, 13 USP (5 Conservative, 4 Reformist, 4 Undecided), 7 PFJP (5 Reformist, 2 Undecided), and 4 NFP. To pass the constitution, you need 16 votes with Gloria's support, or 17 without. 20 votes is a historic result.

Unless otherwise mentioned, whenever I list several ways to win votes, only the first bullet point you qualify for counts. So, for example:

  • 2 if (condition you don't meet)
  • 2 if (condition you meet)
  • 1 if (condition you meet)
    Would mean you win 2 votes.

Independent Vote

  • 1 if you didn't sign either NFP bill, AND either signed WRA or had a 3% threshold.
  • 1 if you lobbied 4 PW.
  • 1 if you lobbied 2 PW, or promised to try Soll.
    Independents don't care about MoH, that's a myth.

USP Conservative Vote

  • 5 if you convinced Gloria and didn't promise to try Soll.
  • 2 if you lobbied 4 PW and didn't let Monica speak at Benfi.
  • 1 if you lobbied 1-2 PW and didn't let Monica speak at Benfi.

USP Reformist Vote

  • 4 if you convinced Albin and didn't promise to try Soll.
  • 2 if you lobbied 4 PW.
  • 1 if you lobbied 1-2 PW.
  • 1 if you accepted Marcel's deal.

(cont.)

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USP Undecided Vote

You must meet one of the following conditions to get any independent votes.

  • You convinced both Albin and Gloria, and didn't abolish MoH, and lobbied any amount.
  • You didn't promise to try Soll and have positive Public Opinion.
  • You didn't reform education.
  • You didn't enforce evolutionism.

The USP Undecided vote can be split into two groups.

Group A:

  • 2 if you convinced both Albin and Gloria, and didn't abolish MoH, and lobbied any amount.
  • 2 if you neglected your family in the prologue, and signed the Campaign Finance Bill, and didn't let Monica speak at Benfi.
  • 2 if you didn't take down Soll's portrait, and either lobbied 4 PW or allied the Oligarchs.
  • 1 if you lobbied any amount.
  • 1 if you accepted Marcel's deal or kept the Oligarchs content.

Group B:

  • 2 if you didn't take down Soll's portrait and kept the Old Guard content.
  • 2 if you allied the Oligarchs.
  • 1 if you accepted Marcel's deal or kept the Oligarchs content.
  • 1 if you have at least 15 Public Opinion and 5 Economic Development.

Finally, you lose 1 USP Undecided vote if you made too many anti-Sollist decisions in the prologue.

PFJP Reformist Vote

  • 5 if you convinced Ricter.
    If you didn't convince Ricter, you can still win some of the Reformist vote. These checks are each independent i.e. meeting all conditions would give 3 votes.
  • 1 if you reduced the threshold and either didn't strengthen decrees or didn't remove impeachement.
  • 1 if you set a 2 term limit and weakened the veto.
  • 1 if you abolished MoH or removed MoH immunity.

PFJP Undecided Vote

  • 2 if you convinced Ricter, signed WRA, and didn't sign the Campaign Finance Bill.
  • 1 if you lobbied 2-4 PW.
  • 1 if you allied the Oligarchs.
  • 1 if you signed WRA and distributed stimulus cheques.
  • 1 if you accepted Marcel's deal.
  • 1 if you have at least 13 Public Opinion, 5 Bludish Opinion, and 6 Economic Development.

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NFP Vote

  • 4 if you convinced Kibener.
    If you didn't convince Kibener, you can still win some NFP votes. The NFP vote can then be split into three groups:

Group A:

  • 1 if you signed the UELA and didn't ban the Young Sords.
  • 1 if you signed the UELA and lobbied 2-4 PW.

Group B:

  • 2 if you signed the RHB, and didn't ban the Young Sords, and didn't promise to lean East, and didn't accept any communist aid, and fully participated in OBT, and banned the Red Youth.
  • 1 if you didn't ban the Young Sords and either signed the RHB, or fully participated in OBT, or banned the Red Youth.

Group C:

  • 1 if you didn't ban the Young Sords, and either lobbied 2-4, allied the Oligarchs, kept the Old Guard content, or accepted Marcel's deal.
  • 1 if you have at least 8 Public Opinion and 3 Economic Development, and at most -5 Bludish Opinion.
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prime venture
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This is brilliant

open knoll
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Supreme Court Vote

There are 11 votes in the Supreme Court: 3 Refomists, 3 Centrists, and 5 Old Guard. You can technically win up to 10 of these votes, but the game only has dialogue for up to 8. You need 6 to pass the constitution.

Reformist Vote

All 3 reformists vote for you on a Reformist run and don't on a Dictator run.

Centrist Vote

  • 2 if you convinced Edmonds.

The third Centrist requires you convince Edmonds and do one of the following:

  • Put ACP on Old Guard.
  • Ally the Oligarchs.
  • Convince the PFJP.
  • Study Law and raise Justice funding.

Old Guard Vote

  • 2 if you convinced Heron.

A third Old Guard requires you convince Heron and do one of the following:

  • Put ACP on Old Guard.
  • Ally the Oligarchs.
  • Keep Old Guard content.
  • Found SSP and put them on anyone but the Old Guard.

Finally, 1 Old Guard votes for you if you got a historic result (20+ votes) in the Assembly.

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and that's everything I know

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please tell me if anything is unclear, or if you have any notes or corrections, ideally with evidence from the game's code or a save file I can look at

prime venture
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This is really really good 👍

feral light
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So you could pass a dictator constitution without NFP or oligarchs and banning the YS by:

1 Independent Vote 4 PW lobbying
5 USP Conservative from Gloria and no trial Soll promise
4 USP Reformist from Albin and no trial Soll promise
2 Group A USP Undecided from 4 PW lobbying and no trial Soll promise
1 Group B USP Undecided from 15 PO and 5 ED
1 PFJP Reformist from abolish MOH
2 PFJP Undecided from 4 PW lobbying
= 16 votes

Then for the Supreme Court
3 Centrist from Edmonds and ACP on Old Guard
3 Old Guard from Garaci and ACP on Old Guard

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This gives me a great idea for a Malenyevist Dictator run, thank you @open knoll!

open knoll
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ah i think i just spotted an error

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4 pw is 1 pfjp undecided i think

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yep, sorry, 760/763 "BaseGame.Decision_Turn06_Lobbying_Bribe3 == true || BaseGame.Faction_Oligarchs_Ally == true" -> "BaseGame.Reform_Assembly_Vote += 1;\nBaseGame.Reform_VoteCount_PFJP_Undecided += 1"

feral light
open knoll
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if you aren't banning the young sords and are lobbying you'll get Group C NFP

feral light
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Oh yeah

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Honestly I could also get away with banning the YS by adding 2 term limit and weakened veto

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For extra PFJP reformist

nocturne glade
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Omg I've been wanting this for so long

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Absolutely amazing

lethal estuary
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I can make a spreedsheet calculator from thís

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Do ye mind? (I note you as the main contributor when published)

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I will also take the time to test each and every single one of them + 6&7

lethal estuary
open knoll
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sounds fine

lethal estuary
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Yippee

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Project Bugcat

rugged olive
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Ima calculate what's the best approach for a reformist constitution with as little corruption as possible or ideally none at all when I get home

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Ind. Vote:

  • Don't Sign Anything From NFP
  • Sign WRA

Votes: 1/16

USP Conservatives:

  • Convince Gloria

Votes: 6/16

USP Reformists:

  • Convince Albin

Votes: 10/16

USP Undecided:

  • You get some of them by default if you get both USP wings

Votes: 11-14/16

PFJP Reformist:

  • Convince Richter

Votes: 16-19/16

open knoll
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how are you getting usp independent? you aren't getting them for free necessarily

rugged olive
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literally the first bullet point says "if you have USP reformist and conservative you automatically get the undecided as well"

rugged olive
open knoll
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thats not what those words say unless im really overestimating the clarity of my writing

rugged olive
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I overlooked the disclaimer about "you must meet one of these conditions to get ANY undecided votes"

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Your writing does say that if you have Gloria and Albin that's enough to get some undecided

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But I overlooked the part that says "some" not "all"

rugged olive
open knoll
open knoll
rugged olive
rugged olive
rugged olive
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So I just listed it

lethal estuary
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And 1st half of old guard votes + 225

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Like completely gone, cant trigger

rugged olive
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Now gimme beta code for Conformist pretty pls

open knoll
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quick update, previously i wrote that to get 1 pfjp undecided vote you needed to sign worker's rights and stimulus cheques and either lobby or sign media deal, this was incorrect, the relevant post has been updated to account for this

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but to be clear, doing any one of the following gets you 1 pfjp undecided:

  • lobby 2-4 pw
  • ally oligarchs
  • accept marcel deal
  • sign wra and distribute stimulus cheques
  • have 13 po 5 bo and 6 ed
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(i tried to get exactly 16 votes but accidently got 17 instead because i accepted marcel deal)

lethal estuary
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Centrist condition is tested on 6&7, everything is blocked, same with 3rd old guard

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Even SSP on not old guard and 225 doesnt work

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I dont see any workarounds in the code either

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So 6&7 Supreme court seems to just be solely from the leads only

dense blade
open knoll
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sounds right to me, this aligns with what i remember from looking at the code

lethal estuary
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Well, now only need to test 6&7 GNA

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Then move on to normal consti

ebon swallow
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Unless I'm mistaken, this gets us just enough votes to pass a reform constitution, without any conservative support or corruption (even false promises like bamboozling Albin)

  • 1 Independent (veto NFP bills, 3% threshold, sign WRA)
  • 4 USP Reformists (convince Albin [already agrees], promise not to try Soll)
  • 4 USP Undecideds (don't take down Soll's portrait, lobby 4PW)
  • 5 PFJP Reformists (convince Ricter [already agrees])
  • 2 PFJP Undecideds (sign WRA, veto campaign finance bill)
  • 1 NFP (don't ban YS, lobby 4PW)
rugged olive
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"WITHOUT CORRUPTION"

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looks inside: lobbies 4pw

ebon swallow
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What do you think lobbying is?

rugged olive
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id like to remind you lobbying IS CORRUPTION

dense blade
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It's not corruption tho

rugged olive
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hows it not corruption

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its the same as handing Clavin a check

dense blade
ebon swallow
nocturne glade
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Well it depends on if your only counting what the game counts as corruption

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Anything beyond that is debate lol

shut vale
open knoll
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as mentioned at the top, this doesn't cover 6/7

shut vale
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oh

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nvm what i said then

open knoll
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the voting for 6/7 works completely differently in both the assembly and supreme court

fallow kraken
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@open knoll I have a question. What does the "Keep Old Guard content" for the 3rd OG vote in the Supreme Court include? I've heard that it's do not touch MoH + do not touch Justice Immunity, but is there anything more to it?

open knoll
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those + don't ally olgiarchs

fallow kraken
open knoll
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i believe so, but can't check right now

fallow kraken
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Well, I'll trust you on that for now. I'm brainstorming a Soll's legacy run, where I'd want to keep the Old Guard happy and I'm trying to find that last vote to the SC, keeping OG happy (since I really like ACP) might be an idea.

obsidian bronze
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Does giving bribe to Calvin or Ritcer counts as convinced?

rugged olive
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Yes

obsidian bronze
# rugged olive Yes

Thanks, does it matter if 1 or 2 PW? I always give 1 to Calvin and Heron only

rugged olive
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Idk

fallow kraken
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For Clavin, it's also partial USP reformist support, but I'm not sure of the numbers. @open knoll Mind commenting?

open knoll
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from what i've seen in the code, 1 pw works for all of them and paying extra doesn't give additional bonuses

fallow kraken
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Hmmm. The only thing I did was in-game testing of Garaci, and that was on 3.0.9. I can't say about 3.1. Guess you'll have to just do a test run @obsidian bronze

fallow kraken
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I have a question. PFJP Undecided Vote and USP Undeicded group A. 1 from each if you accepted Marcel's deal. The second one or the first one?

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I was planning on a constitution like that:
Keep veto.
The President may not be impeached.
Do not change appointment of Ministers.
ncrease threshold to 15% (or 8%, idk).
Stronger decrees.
Keep Term limits.
No Justice Impeachment.
Member of Honor stays intact.

And I'm counting my votes. I see 13 from Gloria, Clavin and NFP. So just 3 or 4 more, preferably 4. So.

I should get USP Undecided. Since I won't promise to try Soll (duh) and probably would have positive PO.

2 from Group B for sure, since I won't take down Soll's portrait and I assume this template keeps OG content.

And I'm looking for the last 1 or 2, so I could avoid lobbying.

There's the 1 from PFJP Undecided if you accepted Marcel's deal, but since I plan to take his deal, then backstab him and nationalize both, I'm not sure if it'd work.

Group A from USP Undecided is tempting, but again, there's the "Accepted Marcel's deal". Again, same question.

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@open knoll mind helping?

open knoll
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refers to first deal, "Accepted_MediaDeal" variable in the save

fallow kraken
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Lovely. So it'd pass with 167 without lobbying. Thanks.

dusky moth
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USP Conservative Vote
5 if you convinced Gloria and didn't promise to try Soll.
2 if you lobbied 4 PW and didn't let Monica speak at Benfi.
1 if you lobbied 1-2 PW and didn't let Monica speak at Benfi.

When it says "didnt let monica speak at benfi" does this mean rejecting her speech from the outset?

lethal estuary
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At park or at Gloria

dusky moth
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Will I get the chance to not let Monica speak if Gloria won’t accept my proposals at all

ebon swallow
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Gloria will only give you the Monica ultimatum if she's willing to accept it (but has some objections).

If you didn't convince Gloria, you need to reject Monica from the beginning (and lobby 4PW) in order to get those 2 conservative votes.

dusky moth
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Alr

fallow kraken
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Random monologue, feel free to ignore me. I'm still brainstorming a Soll's legacy run. While I could still go for turbo racism and get the NFP to help me, I just realised. Passing the constitution with USP alone is even more powerful. And I get to be quite wholesome (no racism and all that).

Veto: Do not change.
SC Vote: Remove (mandatory).
Presidential Impeachment: The President may not be impeached.
Appointment of Ministers: Do not change.
Electoral Threshold: Increase threshold to 15%.
Decrees: Establish stronger presidential decrees.
Term limits: Do not change.
Justice Impeachment: Do not change.
Member of Honor: Do not change.

1 from Independents from 2 PW lobbying.
5 from Gloria, just like that.
4 from Clavin, just like that.
2 from USP group A for lobbying any amount.
2 from USP group B from keeping OG content (right?).
1 from PFJP Undecided from lobbying 2 PW/Marcel's deal.
1 from NFP group B for full OBT and not banning YS.
1 from NFP Group C from lobbying/Old Guard content/Marcel's deal.

Exactly 17. And I need just 16, maybe I could even skip lobbying.

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restive garden
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The third point for independents seems like it must be wrong ("1 if you lobbied 2 PW, or promised to try Soll"), why would you get the same for 2PW as you get for 4PW? I presume it's supposed to be: "1 if you lobbied 2 PW, AND promised to try Soll".

lethal estuary
fallow kraken
restive garden
lethal estuary
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you sure? What makes u think u didnt get it

restive garden
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I've checked the save file and I've got ["BaseGame.Reform_VoteCount_Independents_1"]=false

noble abyss
prime venture
fallow kraken
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I decided to dig through the files on my own, but I'd like to ask you @open knoll as well. Are the rumours about ordering the salad helping with convincing Edmonds true or false? I found a check "BaseGameIsolated.Turn07_A_IsabelOrdered_Salad", but it has no relevance as far as I see.

lethal estuary
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Nhom nhom

fallow kraken
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Yup. Mind if I quote that in a dicussion?

lethal estuary
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#sordland-game-help message

meager elk
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is there a calculator for this i want to get historic result for the fun of shocking the shit out of the old gaurd

fallow kraken
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Bro literally fucking do the math. You can count to 20, right?

meager elk
patent shuttle
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What’s the meaning of « keeping old guard content »? Because it seems the old guard is not content the minute we reject Hawker’s offer. Is the conditions for that the same as Tory’s conditions? (No health/SSC privatization)

fallow kraken
wispy garden
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Maybe have high sollist points

rugged olive
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aka: you take their offer by default on runs where it's relevant

wispy garden
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You can change constitution in emergency run?

rugged olive
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and then they bombard you with further questions

rugged olive
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just last I checked "keeping old guard content" is irrelevant for any runs involving a constitution change

wispy garden
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Then it doesn't need to be listed since keep old guard content doesn't work on non emergency

rugged olive
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wait its in the constitution guide?

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ig im stupid

feral light
feral light
rugged olive
fallow kraken
midnight hazel
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I'm sorry if this sounds a bit silly, but what do you mean didn't promise to try Soll?

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Because as far as I know, you can only attack Sol after the reform.

fallow kraken
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If you remove MoH, you can say during one of your speeches "Tarquin Soll will answer for his crimes!" which Gloria calls you out for, saying like "You dare attack the founder of this party?". So uh, no, don't say that. Although it reduces your Sollist score iirc, so maybe on some weird anti-Sollist democrat runs, you could.

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End of Turn V I think, or somewhere like that

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"Tarquin Soll will answer for the crimes commited during his rule..." yada yada.

midnight hazel
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Oh, thank you. Could you also send me the wiki link that shows what happens in each turn and its possible outcomes?

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I have a very short memory and I get lost when it comes to those types of games, haha

fallow kraken
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Wait

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What happens in each turn and its possible outcomes? hell if I know. For a sec I misread and thought you're asking about the points themselves, but to give you a step by step guide to everything is impossible.

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The closest i can think of is the neoseeker stuff

midnight hazel
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It's okay, it was just to have a list of all the important choices in the game so I could plan a path forward.

dull frost
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how can i pass a fully liberal constitution

rugged olive
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Step 2: more corruption

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Step 3: make sure nobody coups and/or impeaches you

dull frost
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well didnt work for me

rugged olive
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You didn't do enough corruption

dull frost
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what did i miss?

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i did all deals

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and 4pw lobying

rugged olive
meager elk
# dull frost how can i pass a fully liberal constitution

It's not that hard all you have to do is, take kortoni deal. respectfully disagree with Gloria do 4PW lobbying bribe albin with VP, ricter will happily accept the constitution and it will pass. As for Supreme Court just convince the salad lady and promise heron the chief justice position. CRUCIAL NOTE YOU CANNOT CHANGE 6&7 WITH FULL LIBERAL so that might be why it didn't work

midnight hazel
midnight hazel
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Choose Lucian as your VP when you have the opportunity

rugged olive
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I REPEAT DO NOT

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APPOINT LUCIAN AS YOUR VP

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PREFERABLY EVER

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ESPECIALLY NOT ON THIS RUN

midnight hazel
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well petr is better

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but if he is gone i pick lucian because the leak

rugged olive
# midnight hazel well petr is better

|| brother if you appoint LUCIAN as your VP on corrupt runs you might as well send ACP on yourself because jest gonna rat your ass out to become acting President||

midnight hazel
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just dont form acp o the other

rugged olive
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||you straight up gave him a tutorial how TO RUIN his run||

midnight hazel
rugged olive
midnight hazel
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it's the other way around

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He seeks power, and if you give it to him, he has no reason to betray you.

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Since he has no morals, he doesn't care what you do as long as it benefits him.

rugged olive
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he's the VICE PRESIDENT

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If he betrays you as the VP

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Then he's the ACTING PRESIDENT

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This gives him the MOST power

midnight hazel
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yes, but he cant be the president

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he maybe can gather support but not right now

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in terms of game

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in rp, yes, he is dangerous

feral light
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If you beat him in chess it doesn’t matter at any rate

meager elk
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And no he is not more likely to betray you quite the opposite

meager elk
midnight hazel
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i dont elect him vp

feral light
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Based on the code it’s nearly impossible for Lucian to betray you while winning chess

midnight hazel
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well, somebody leaked my corruption

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i dont know who

feral light
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What’s the situation with Tusk/Marcel

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Either of them can leak various acts of corruption

midnight hazel
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marcel good because i did all the deal with him

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well tusk i think he hate me

feral light
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Tusk definitely leaked your Marcel deal then

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Not Lucian

midnight hazel
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yeah, made sense

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How can that be avoided?

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i only funden miniters of wellfare

rugged olive
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be cozy with both of them just cozier with Marcel

feral light
midnight hazel
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thanks, since Tusk screwed me over, does that mean I've already lost?

rugged olive
midnight hazel
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It should be emphasized that the Supreme Court, along with the Assembly, can remove me from the presidency.

feral light
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Just win the war

midnight hazel
feral light
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Well then

rugged olive
rugged olive
midnight hazel
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Well, I wanted to be a reformer

rugged olive
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I'm a reformer and I always fund army

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The only people who don't fund army are

A. Metagamers who don't know what RP is

B. Stupid

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From an RP perspective Rumburg is there, and you can't be certain what they'll do, so you'd always fund it

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I always play a capitalist reformer

midnight hazel
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Yes, but it's not very difficult to prevent them from attacking you.

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I also don't care much about the RP since there isn't even a 2nd term

rugged olive
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But RP wise nah

midnight hazel
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Furthermore, I can say that in my second term I will improve the army.

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Well, now all I can do is pray that I win the leadership battle against Lileas.

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Also, I get the slight impression that you always invest in FC Anrica. I don't know why.

meager elk
midnight hazel
rugged olive
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I always invest bc I'm a football fan lmao

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One run I deadass got corrupt just so I could have the PW for FC Anrica

midnight hazel
rugged olive
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I don't do this because of business

midnight hazel
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especially if you manage to stabilize Sorland in terms of RP

rugged olive
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I do this because my Rayne canonically just likes the sport

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😭

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Business decisions are Armadine

midnight hazel
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Yes, it all depends on your own canon. One question: do you know what happens if I sue Soll and at the same time invest in FC anrica?

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Is it possible to win the game?

midnight hazel
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Also, for anyone interested, it seems that choosing Gloria as VP significantly increases or even guarantees your victory in the leadership race.

meager elk
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Just give the right speech

rugged olive
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(to trigger the party primary you need to be a reformist in the first place so if you're a Sollist it just doesnt happen)

midnight hazel
rugged olive
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That's the best way to describe her sway with Sollist conservatives

midnight hazel
rugged olive
midnight hazel
rugged olive
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Gloria wants them

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She's just reluctant to rush it

midnight hazel
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Well, yes, but the thing is, I never say when

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It feels like saying you want to fix something in the future but you never do anything.

noble abyss
rugged olive
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Which is precisely why she's not insufferable

noble abyss
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I wish there was an option to throw her out the window yourself

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I hate her bro

rugged olive
noble abyss
patent shuttle
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Does not including the vote of confidence for ministers nor assembly choses minister has any impact on votes whatsoever? The game warns us for consequences if we don’t include it in our constitutional package but if i read correctly I don’t see any

rugged olive
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Using a meta guide

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Then 90% of chances it will nuke your constitution

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Because not having it ruins both Gloria and Albin's support without corruption

fallow kraken
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You can, for a fact, get Gloria’s support without that change. Have you ever not gotten her support for a dictator constitution?

rugged olive
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Unless an oligarchic reformer counts as a "dictator"

hybrid eagle
fallow kraken
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For the Oligarchs_Content, the only way I got it in my games was REJECTING the media deal with Koronti, but taking and fulfilling the deal to nationalize only Bergia Steel. But let me think...

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(that is use Shayrin's tool)

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So basically

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to translate...

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Fulfill Tusk's first request, the one he bribes you to do.

Weird that I don't find any prompt about large corporations taxes.

Privatize education, healthcare and major companies to any degree, after promising Tusk to do so? Not sure if I read this right.

Privatize 4 or more ticks of major companies? Weird, as I'm pretty sure you need 6 ticks, according to my in-game experience.

Nationalize BS only. But again, if you do that while having the media deal with Koronti, you get oligarchs_ally.

Eh. I probably read it wrong. But I'm not going to test that, I detain these two leeches most of my games.

midnight hazel
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Just don't take any deals or bribes to avoid being dismissed

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As a bonus, playing with Rizia is easier.

strong crescent