DLC around fallen empire

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Yos

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Would you rate it?

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Readin

Whats the location of this?

What continent?

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Just wait

Either South part of continent south of galmland or west of the map the other part of world we never saw

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So is it solid or nah?

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You said like Madagascar yeah? Maybe like Sonsamia

Just speaking about geography tho

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Yeah one giant island as your main core

Think of japan

And koreas are your 2 countries contrlled by csp and arcasia

There is one free zone

And one barony

But like republics are big

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Like the idea of a splitted country like in Rizia with Pales

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Unlike rizia you are not an kingdom

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Can see that

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They never had any power just only in name

All main family was killed by your enemy like whole line except second son of second son who is 12 at the start of the game

Empire fell 10 years ago

Unlike the rizia or sordland you don't have racial problems

But like republics are puppets and barony is only one willing to join with you

But main thing is about war tbh

Not just pales war

But like ww1 where you declare war on all

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Wait, what will it be like? An RTS?

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2 republics +your enemy kingdom + mercenaries from csp and arcasia and their navies literally humiliating most powerful countries in one war

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No turn based

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That's a relief

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Or you can play democicly

Democratic

Be Liberal and focus on research

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I prefer like a peaceful reunification

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But you can only integrate freezone and barony when peaceful

If you become puppet of csp then you can get that puppet

Or just be peaceful

And be arbitrary between two countries

But like beating the world by sending first people to the moon?

Now that is biggest middle finger to all

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That is a dream of Anton

One more thing, what date is it set on?

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Grand Chancellor is chosen for 10 years

The previous one was Liberal thats why you start as democraticly centerist

2 years before the rizia

So it encompass the whole other games

Like nuclear war or trade war still can impact you

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Damn that will be a hard thing to implement

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Also nukes is a thing

You can get a nuke

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Especially if the DLC will be smashed together

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And join the nuke war

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As i said it is something very powerful

But this dlc would worth it

I would like the developers to see this i know it is much but if it is too much i would like to know

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Very powerful DLC

If they try for a DLC like this, the devs would need to focus only at this

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Uh like galmland is our nation and we have to take back zaerland nibiya zanza and imaland

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Very Expansive

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But it would be so good
A game where you actually matter

Both sordland and rizia influence the world but does not change it

But you are literally changing it

You can start a world war if you are nor careful

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A Fuhrer Run is always my liking

World War creator

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But like it is hardest option

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I can very much see it

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You can be Germany if it never went to ww2

It would be scientific research center

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Suzerain is a Hard game after all with this politics

Ngl I'll actually play this

I wanna reunite mah country again like in Rizia!1!!1

Plus seeing more of the world ofc

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But like in rizia you are fighting a province

But in this dlc whole country

Or dont fight at all

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Why not fight when you have the decision to be a brave leader?

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But like if rumburg is defeated

And you did total war

Humiliated everyone

Then you become the thirld world power

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Also shaping prince is very important

Like will you be ruthless or caring like a mother

Like you can even ally with rumburg if you betrothed him to that donkey faced queens female relative

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Now that makes me wanna contemplate my decision

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Or you know your main enemy kingdom also happened to have princess

Literally you can be peaceful with your enemy

It fits into all playstyles

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Rumtard marrying mah prince?! all the way

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There are communists capitalists liberals centerists all in balance in the parliment

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Id totally pick that choice

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You can tip the balance

I hope some developers see this and give this a thought

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But like he starts game as 12 how he will be depends on you

You can make him anything you want

Or get rid of him entirely

Like joining csp requires you to remove the prince entirely

You can assassinate him or just abolish it entirely

And take him as your son

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Many Suzerain players will just kill due to the fact that they all support the communists

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I mean joining the arcasia also wants you to this but instead you send him to arcasia to be a puppet of them

Like he will be 12 at the start and 22 at the end of game and since his family all was killed including his father and mother .last of a imperial line is kinda hard on him

Like you can be a mother to him

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This surely has to show some bad sides for the CSP since the ATO has already been tarnished by Rizia

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Yeah also you remember republics? They are puppets

One for csp and one for arcasia

Hostile with each other

Like germany was in 1960

They will even send their fleets to interven if you do total war

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Also why this is important? While imperial line has no power they still can apply for grand chancellor position and well you can shape your apprentice if you want

You are woman aged around [40-50] your own son is a failure

Alcoholic

And possibly a spy

Imagine a dilemma where your own kin betray you

Hard choices

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You may even have put him down

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This send me some Rusty Vibes

With the son part being a possible spy

Totally gonna play this tho

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Constitution can be reformed

Unlike the parliament

It must be approved by royal council which includes ministers of department of health war security justice education youth and Public

You need majority

You and prince also can vote

2 is centerist 2 is liberal 2 3 of them are right wing

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Yo dude I'm tired now, but yeah it's good imo. But Idk about the others though they'll express their opinions with other arguments

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What is this supposed to be?

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Royal council like departments of government if you want to reform the constitution

Not like rizian council

But like real life government departments

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Just a map i found something like this
Black is is our current land
Blue is aracsia puppet republic
Dark red is csp puppet republic yellow is barony and light blue is freezone
And the kingdom on north is our nemesis. You can only get barony and and free zone while playing peacefully

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Love that concept

Big country

The type of things I'll wanna do is just pure violence

It's always the answer

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I want people to react to this

I saw it all in my dream

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I know it is not a canon map bit like even these countries looks good

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Also population wise your island is 15 million and can increase up to 75 million after the full conquest

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VERY interesting idea

playing as a country with so many opponents and potential irredentist claims

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Yeah if you did read whole thing it has both external and internal problems

And so many playstyles

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oh btw I'm pretty sure that only ATO has mercenaries

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No like if you do declare total war

You have to fight against csp navy and arcasian mercenaries/ divisions in region

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like a direct war with superpowers?

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Yes

Kinda

You declare war on 3 separate countries at once(4) if you fail the barony csp and arcasia will fight you with small part of their armies since you never declared war on them

It is like usa fighting the germans they will send divisions but not all of it if they do csp might go hostile agains them and so forth

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okay this is straight up insane

like there is no way you could possibly win against a superpower

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Yeah thats why it is called total war

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unless you are one yourself

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It is hardest path

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maybe a proxy war with their puppets but not with superpower itself

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But if you do manage it and conqurer your lands and keep the economy you and if rumburg is defeated in war you became the third most powerful country

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IG Arcasia could send their PMCs (since they wouldnt be directly at war with you) and CSP could send their navy to "secure the seas" near the conflict area which in reality means blocking your trade

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(Rumburg is 4th most powerful country btw)

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What

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so you would become the 4th not 3rd

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yep

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No if rumburg is defeated by sordland then 3power

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GDP ranking world ranking: 4th

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If you did read the whole thing lunar missinon is still a key part

Unlike the sordland you have super projects

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so what year would it start?

like 1960?

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No

2 years before the rizia

Game would take 10 years

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then it would have to last for years

for manned space flight to be possible

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Well your country starts as research capital of the world

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IG achieving orbit or just making it to space would be possible

but getting to moon would be very difficult if Suzerain moon is similar to ours

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You are halfway done with nuke program and have already existing long range missile programs

You can do satellite

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yeah this would make achieving orbit/space flight possible but not getting to the moon

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Literally so many ways to do

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there is also the fact that from we know Arcasia has the most advance ICBM programme and they still cant compete with UC when it comes to spaceflight

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depends on the distance and possible allies

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Well your country is like japan + germany mixxed

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maybe make it possible if you ally with Arcasia and UC

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You can beat them on their own games

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You can

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so you could use their own experience etc

but getting to the moon ahead of superpowers would be very difficult if not impossible

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Arcasias puppet republic will join you but you have to ensure capitalism and free market and remove the imperial family and send him to be a puppet of arcasia

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Map is something like this but your island is big maybe whole black area size

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island start would be interesting

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Please do read everything cuz there things i did not mention but it is worth it

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what about siding with one superpower uniting with their puppet peacefully and then invading the rest?

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Not really

Okay barony the yellow one is easy to get confederate and well free zone is kinda hard but is possible

You don't need war for these two

I mean you can

Declaring war on free zone literally makes you enemy of all countries

But republics needs war or siding with superpower to integrate then you cant declare war on other republic

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why wouldn't you be able to?

I mean at this point you are siding with one side of the cold war

it would make sense to fight their ideological opponents

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Other is puppet of other superpower

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yeah but if you could invade it alone why wouldn't you be able to after allying with your chosen superpower

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Cuz it can couse the global war

It is also for punishing for player

Like siding with superpower limits your optionss

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then why wouldn't invading them alone cause it?

both superpowers could team up and completly destroy your country

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Cuz they are protected by your nemesis and their daddy superpower

Literally can't also you are puppet if you do you will be killed in assassination

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ehh it limits the options of the player

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Yes

Only way for total land recovery is total war

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and in Sordland you can allign with a superpower to get their backing

it doesnt stop you from winning the war too

you just have to make concessions to said superpower

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Cuz rumburg is sanctioned and and rumburg is not part of csp or ac

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would those two superpower puppet state be a part of ATO or CSP?

also Rumburg isn't sanctioned that much

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Yes one for each

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you can get them sanctioned to death

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Blue and dark red

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but they aren't when the game start

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then invading them anyway would be a literal suicide

it would cause a war between you and 14 or 9 other countries

how would you even win that war?

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As i said a total war is hardest thing in the dlc

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it isn't hard it would be unwinnable

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But if you win you can become 3th most powerful country

You declare war on 3 countries minimum 7 is max

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and how would you win against ATO or/and CSP?

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Operation barbarossa like

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your country is weaker than Rumburg at the start of the game if I understand it correctly

and ATO and CSP completely wipe the floor with Rumburg

there is no way a smaller country could survive a war against superpower + allies of that superpower

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Develop your own nukes to scare them not directly sending armies
Having massive amounts of military

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But you are not alone tho

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nukes would work if those two countries weren't in ATO/CSP

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You can ally rumburg or even your own nemesis

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otherwise both superpowers would be obligated to defend their smaller ally

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yeah but isn't total war a path when you pretty much try to fight everyone?

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Yes it is

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so you would lose 100% in that case

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Minimum 3 countries and maximum of 7 countries

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Not necessaril

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+9 or +14

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9?

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because you would be fighting whole ATO or CSP

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No they are puppets not part of the coalition

Direct puppets

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you said that they were part of ATO and CSP

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They are but not full members

Since they are hostile with each other ato nor csp fully acceptes them incase of war

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then they aren't member states but observes at best

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Yeah kinfa

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Total war is a option and you get 6 years for it

But lets talk about easier and safer ways

Barony is kinda same as you and it yearns to return to the land you just have to meet their demands

Not as hard as wehlen did

Free zone is easy as well as long as you support capitalism

And there is only 1 ally you can get (region wise)

Also not that you can recognise these countries and ally with barony

For total war you need the baronies

Cuz your starting population is 18 million and with baronies it goes to 35 million and 5 million on freezone

Other republics has 10 million and 15 million respectively

And not that these people are all from same nationality

Only ideology difference

I mean there is some difference as your tribe defeated and integrated all other tribes

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Yes special titles

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Knock both republics out of war and declare the nuke will be launched if they intervene (they will still do it but not send their whole armada)

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they shouldn't intervene directly in that case then

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If you do you have to fight half of their invasion armies

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they would still overwhelm you tho

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Germany held against allies for 4 years

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you can't expect to fight off two superpowers

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and what happened to them?

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Thats why it is hardest path

Most of the time you will lose if unprepared

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they could have held for 5 or 6 and they still would have lost

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But if you do you get most powerful boons possible

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there are some wars which are just unwinnable no matter what you do

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As i said hardest war possible

But nit impossible

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war against two superpowers shouldnt be hard it should be impossible to win

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Afghanistan won against both usa and soviets

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But you are not fighting them directly

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because those weren't total wars but wars on peripheries

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didnt you say that they send their forces to try and stop you?

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If in war declaretion you do foolishly declare war on them then yeah you lose

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They do arcasia sends mercenary componies and gives them tanks and stuff

While csp sends them warfleet

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then those aren't their forces

this is indirect support

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Yes

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which makes a huge difference

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As i said you do not fight them directly

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alright then

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I mean it is still just a idea it might be changed

But you can fight both at the same time it is stilla possibility but you don't win the war against them

If you act threatening all the game and still be menace after the war they will declare the war on you and you will have to fight both super powers and their armies and you will lose it is one of the endings

If you did conqurer the republics and occupied your nemesis kingdoms capital war will end and you will get both republics lands and option to take land from the kingdom

And taking land will start a chain of awful events

After you get all your lands you are free to do as you wish

Note that games gives you 6 years to get ready for war or other projects

You don't have to have total war

Other projects are much more better than war

But you can finish the war in 2 years if you are fast and 3 if you are slow

Slower the war more sanctions you will receive and more you will lose

But you can also choose not do declare war but threaten the republics so they give you small amount of land

Better alternative

Also in max total war [9] countries you will have army up to 3 million people and have to fight on all fronts and still win

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Should be a free update not a DLC in my opinion

I’m all for the devs getting more money but not every new addition to the game should cost the players money

The game is after all called Suzerain and not Sordland

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Compared to the low-content, expensive DLCs from companies like Paradox Interactive, I'm more than happy to pay $10 for each DLC featuring a new nation in Suzerain. The quality and depth of the content in Suzerain are well worth the cost and support the developers in continuing to create and expand the game we love

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Sordland is a for ideology
Rizia is fir management of kingdom
I want us to deal with an fragments of fallen empire like japan was.

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It would be dlc tbh

It is too big for lore and would need a lot of work

Not that war interface needs to be added

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worldbuilding is nice but this will never be a real dlc

torpor is too broke to do big things like this rn

also they have other things to like updates, mobile, the conformist

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Then we should get something on like this

Like world war 1 ?

I don't think so