Galmland this, Galmland that - why are people convinced that the DLC is gonna be Galmand?

[scarlet mortar]

And why are people obsessed with Galmland in the first place? It could literally just be any other country that hasn't been well established in the lore. And it's not as if Rizia was a totally empty slate upon introduction either; it still featured in some Geopolitico articles in the base game and in the Gasom debate. Hell, it could even not be a country at all, it could just be a province/region (i.e. you get to play as a governor in an autonomous zone, and you have to collaborate with or fight against the central govt to further your agenda, a bit like Bergia if you were Gov Bron)

[cedar vapor]

When the Galmland DLC is announced I request for you to write a written apology

Wait and see

[ripe finch]

I agree

Like why are people so convinced?

Did somebody at torpor leak that it will be Galmland?

[zealous panther]

We don't even know if there's going to be a second DLC

For now the devs are busy at work with the first one

And it definitely depends on sales and how many they got in the end

[cedar vapor]

I saw it in my dreams

[past saffron]

It is because we see a lot of in-game articles about Galmland in 3.0 just like how we got articles on Rizia with the 2.0 launch

[cedar vapor]

I feel it’s also because Galmland as a dlc is a lot more interesting to the fanbase than alternative settings

We’ve never played in a country with a communist mode of production and government before

So it would be interesting to see how the devs do it

[past saffron]

not to mention the issue with the nation that Galmland faces makes it better than the others

free cities reads as "We just don't like the Derdians"

[wispy spear]

Imo I see a Free Cities DLC more interesting cus we have a Republic, a Monarchy, and we don't have a Theocracy, apart from that is Federation of city states and they did have a lot of new neighbors we can explore, also they are from ATO and have a booming economy, I just can't like a Galmland DLC bc I see the issue with the Valgos and the CSP like "oh my communist is better than yours, we are the ramification of the variable of Marcia's theorie bla bla" I just cant see something in interesting Galmland imo.

[past saffron]

I like it for the potential ideological power struggle that its going through and for its desire to establish its own identity separate from Valgsland

[wispy spear]

Well yeah, but I can't find that interesting, I just see it as commies fighting themselves to see who is more commie.

[past saffron]

And that's exactly why I like it, you'll have to navigate this infighting on both a national and geopolitical level as different interpretations attempt to become the dominant one. While they are united under CSP they're not on the ideological level which offers a interesting experince

free cities is just an expansion on the religious stuff we got in Rizia

[wispy spear]

Not exactly, Free Cities have a completely different structure from what we have seen, they are not only a Theocracy, they are a Federation of city states who are members of the ATO, Each city state is managed by an elected council of religious leaders (yeah, elected Theocracy) who enjoy significant autonomy, it's not just the typical theocracy, the government structure is more unique therefore I see it more interesting than my communist is better than yours.

[past saffron]

After Rizia I've had about enough with trying to navigate religion for awhile which I already found less interesting that the CSP power struggle

I still see ATO as too comically evil to be playing as

[wispy spear]

Also Free Cities is Dasnurity not Wurchestism so it's not exactly like Rizia

[past saffron]

if there was any ATO member I would like it would be Qinal

it acts as both the literal and figurative ATO connection into Xina, and they have a spine in their foreign policy

[wispy spear]

Qinal is interesting yeah, but it's still a Republic with significant military power, something that we already see in Sordland

So not a lot of innovation

Anyway it was just my opinion, I see Free Cities more interesting than commies fighting themselves lol.

[past saffron]

I'm still surprised that the Free cities even exist

just about everyone of their neighbors has a recent historical claim on most of their land

[wispy spear]

That makes them more interesting, they were the Holy league or some.

And also I want to know what is happening in that whar city

Who is neighbor too

[past saffron]

I want to see rika and xina

Galmland would "technically" be the first nation not in Merkopa that we play as

[wispy spear]

Does even Galmland have a codex?

[past saffron]

not yet but we have this

Free cities got one so we would have context about RIzia and South Merkopa ahead of the DLC

[wispy spear]

Lol they didn't have an official codex yet, that makes Free Cities more plausible.

But the next DLC would be Free Cities or Galmland I'm 100% sure.

[past saffron]

Yarktralis has a codex, does that make them a likely dlc

[wispy spear]

Maybe

Rizia did have a codex

Before the DLC

[past saffron]

Released months early along side, Morella, Qinal, Free Cities, Derdia, and Kyrute

[wispy spear]

Well, yeah.

[past saffron]

Oh and Pale-et

hate that pronunciation

[wispy spear]

I think that the devs would follow what the community wants more or is more developed, that's why I think they are gonna go for Free Cities, or Galmland.

[past saffron]

If we do get the free cities as a DLC I may or may not purposefully cause it to collapse

[wispy spear]

Almost everybody in first runs of Rizia ended in coup or civil war

Just like the base game

[past saffron]

those were accidental

[wispy spear]

So crashing everything in the first run is more likely

[past saffron]

I want to crash everything

[wispy spear]

https://tenor.com/view/your-octopinion-is-invalid-its-as-shrimple-as-that-its-kind-of-conchfusing-actually-its-very-clampicated-gif-26280918

[past saffron]

Looks like the free cities were just an extension of the holy league until it collapsed two years later

[wispy spear]

Well, the name makes it a bit obvious

[cedar vapor]

I think that there are reasons for the Free Cities to not really work from a gameplay perspective

Since it’s a federation with each city exercising considerable autonomy there would probably not be a very strong executive which makes so that you don’t really have any real control when it comes to making policies yourself

Which kinda takes away the mystique and magic of being the leader of a nation if you basically have to rely on other leaders to make policies for you

Also, from a gameplay perspective their foreign policy would be too convoluted since they border 9 nations

[ivory plinth]

Does Hegel trust Malenyev completely?

[cedar vapor]

You notice that with the nations that you play as, they typically border only around 5 nations in order to make foreign policy more easy

[cedar vapor]

Hard to tell

[ivory plinth]

So where Is the General convo of this server

[cedar vapor]

There’s a suzerain chat and a Rizia chat

Meanwhile, there’s also a non game related chat

[zealous panther]

Hard to tell but I doubt. Malenyev would probably favor himself/UC over his allies

[wispy spear]

That's why it's more interesting on foreign policy since we'll have 9 nations and some new to explore, in Galmland you have like 2 or 3? And Valsgland you already know, so for me the premise of a completely new government structure is more interesting than my communist is better than yours premise.

Like, in Free cities would also have the premise of "my God is better than yours" with Derdia, plus a lot of new countries on Foreign policy plus the new government structure.

[cedar vapor]

The free cities is much more interesting as a concept than it is for an actual gameplay experience, it doesn’t really have any conflict derived around it as it is a stable nation with a prosperous economy, what’s the most that can even happen? Maybe a border skirmish with Derdia that doesn’t really amount to anything since it’s not like you’d be able to invade as apart of ATO

To have a good gameplay experience there needs to be conflicts

For Sordland it was its tenuous position and economic recession, for Rizia it was its declining status as a power with lost territories

The Free Cities meanwhile is cushy and secure with nothing that actively is afflicting it

[wispy spear]

Also in Free Cities we can explore if we want a more absolute theocracy or something like that, bc they still are united by the speaker.

[wispy spear]

Galmland is part of the CSP, they won't get invaded too lol

[cedar vapor]

You can already play as a theocracy anyways in Rizia, I’d say that it would be better to expand that path than make a seperate dlc to carry out the concept of a theocracy

[cedar vapor]

Hungary:
Czechoslovakia:

[wispy spear]

You can't really play as a "Theocracy" you can announce the formation of a Theocracy at the end of the game who have little to no impact bc you do it at the end of the game.

[cedar vapor]

You’re being disingenuous to say that Galmland doesn’t have any active disputes regarding its place within its own alliance and to say that there is no threat of invasion

[cedar vapor]

Still, I’d say that it would be better to expand that route than to make a seperate DLC to explore such an outcome

[wispy spear]

Well, if it can happen in CSP, in ATO would be more likely don't you think? Knowing how Walker is.

[cedar vapor]

When Qinal threatens to leave they just give them concessions, ATO nations don’t really seem to be at threat from forceful regime changes

I just think that Galmland is a lot more interesting than the Free Cities in terms of offering a different experience to what we are used to and providing challenges to the player

[wispy spear]

I just can't see something in interesting on commies fighting themselves

[wispy spear]

Walker literally threatens Sordland to join ATO if Walker doesn't like or something like that, so won't be out of the picture that they think of an invasion, and still in the CSP the big boss is Contana, so neither Valgos and Galmland.

[cedar vapor]

I can’t see anything interesting about playing as one of the most prosperous and stable nations in central Merkopa

You might as well be playing as Switzerland

[cedar vapor]

Uh huh…because Arcasia would really invade a nation that hosts 6 of Nurity’s most significant holy sites, that’s sure a way to endear yourself to voters

[wispy spear]

Well, Rizia is a rich country, and was interesting lol

[cedar vapor]

The difference is that Rizia was a declining power that had issues such as most of this superficial wealth being distributed to nobles instead of the people, losing territory, having disputed territory with its neighbour ect

The Free Cities have no problems, that’s the issue

[wispy spear]

And it's not also one of the most prosperous and stable nations indeed, it's because the government structure is unique, I think neither irl we have seen something like that as far I remember.

[cedar vapor]

As a leader, you wouldn’t be doing anything in the nation that would have your efforts seem impactful as it’s already in a stable prosperous state

[wispy spear]

We certainly don't know if the Free Cities really don't have any problems

[cedar vapor]

So you’re hazarding that playing as the Free Cities would be interesting out of speculation?

[wispy spear]

We didn't know the issues Rizia has until we play it.

[wispy spear]

I say it bc the Government structure, also you are literally saying that commie fighting themselves is an interesting premise to a DLC lol 😭

[cedar vapor]

It is

[wispy spear]

Why commies fighting themselves is an interesting premise lol?

I can't see that more interesting that the Free Cities stuff unless you are a Socialist/Communist oriented

[cedar vapor]

Ideological rifts between members of the CSP have not been explored so far and its ramifications are interesting, frankly it’s pretty telling of your lack of an actual argument that you have to simplify what is a fascinating dilemma within the greater socialist movement as “commies fighting themselves” couldn’t your point just be simplified as “Religious fundamentalist fight themselves”? Wow what a novel and interesting concept 🤓

Don’t be disingenuous and act as though the Free Cities is more novel than Galmland as a concept

And act as though it is more nuanced than Galmland is as a conflict

[cedar vapor]

Well….

Ahem

Arumph

[wispy spear]

Both you and I know that the "Religious Fundamentalist fighting themselves" is not the main premise of the Free Cities.

[cedar vapor]

Harumph

[wispy spear]

You are doing the same about Galmland don't you?

[cedar vapor]

And neither would ideological conflict within Galmland be the main premise, there would be other stuff too

[wispy spear]

Fascinating dilemma within the greater socialist movement

Lol?

[cedar vapor]

No, I’m saying that at this point, with the current knowledge that we have, both seem equally interesting but Galmland’s conflict has been expanded upon more which has made me more inclined to believe it

[wispy spear]

Ok I see where this is doing

I think there is no point debating this with you specifically

[cedar vapor]

Oh );

Apologies

All I’m going to say is that when the Galmland dlc is announced over the free cities

I would like you to directly apologise to me

[wispy spear]

Don't expect anything bc I won't do anything

[cedar vapor]

💅

I trust the devs to do the correct choice

[wispy spear]

And anyway, the supposed DLC won't be coming soon, the developers said that the next DLC is going to be in the distant future, even after The Conformist so don't expect so much of a DLC that will probably come out in 2026-2027

Soo

[cedar vapor]

I don’t mind, the apology is already secured so whenever it occurs doesn’t bother me

Take all the time you need 👍

[wispy spear]

I'm just gonna say that we have a Republic and a Monarchy, so the most reasonable is that we expand the Theocracy, and after that we will have your Galmland DLC.

[cedar vapor]

What kind of logic is that? There’s already a theocracy route in Rizia that needs to be expanded

Then you can have your theocracy

[wispy spear]

Rizia ain't a Theocracy and you know that

Since you can form the Theocracy at the end of the game that has literally no impact, and they won't be expanded further in a DLC that is focused on the Monarchy.

[cedar vapor]

Exactly, that’s why the path where you do become a theocracy should be expanded upon

Rizia in general needs expansion on its current path and more content over a Galmland dlc tbh

Some paths were obviously cut and others need more content and flavour

[wispy spear]

Rizia is a Monarchy and probably always be, I don't think they would expand Theocracy there.

It's better a DLC that we have already a Theocracy, apart from the fact of the unique government structure, neither irl we have seen something like that

[cedar vapor]

Ever heard of Iran?

[wispy spear]

I didn't know that Iran is a Federation of City-States directed by an Elected Theocracy with robust, prosperous and strong economy with high civil rights records united by a Grand Speaker who is just the voice of the country and not some despotic fundamentalist.

Yeah, I didn't hear of Iran

Lol

[cedar vapor]

And that government system sounds pretty boring

Yk what

[wispy spear]

And also, although they have a state religion in Free Cities, they are expanding on other religions and having the people free in what they want to believe, certainly the same in Iran when def they don't opress you or kill you for wearing bad a hiyab or do something against religion lol.

[cedar vapor]

@wispy spear Mb 😞

I’ve been

Perhaps delegating bad vibes towards you

When I shouldn’t have been

[wispy spear]

More than a random Socialist republic? Lol

You know if we gonna start irl examples of Socialist Republics you know who's losing here

[cedar vapor]

In truth, I don’t actually mind a DLC regarding the Free Cities as much as I don’t mind a Galmland DLC, perhaps this is just another example about how counter culture causes people to unnecessarily become antagonistic

Any DLC for Suzerain would be a wonderful addition to the already great game series that it is

And I have also unnecessarily exaggerated certain negative aspects that a Free Cities DLC would provide, I’m sure that the Torpor team with their extensive experience and expertise would be able to overcome any challenges with bringing it to life

However, I simply find Galmland to be more interesting out of a sense of subjective opinion, and that I have grossly implied such an opinion to be objective fact when it isn’t

Which has only led to hostilities being generated between the both of us when that shouldn’t have been my intention nor my purpose

Galmland, Free Cities, Qinal, Rika, what does it matter? Any DLC would be great!

We should trust the Torpor team be able to create a compelling narrative out of any nation that they decide to tackle in a new DLC

And not presume any kind of misinformed negativity regarding any DLC out of speculation and lack of context regarding the nation

That would just lead to unnecessary boycotting

What I find most damaging is that exactly: the lack of context and applying context that we have both shown

Spreading of these attitudes simply leads to a negative and toxic atmosphere that will only breed further ignorance and resentment which cannot be sustained in a community such as this which relies on collaboration and sharing of ideas

What truly should be prioritised is ensuring any DLC provides an engaging and interesting of an experience that separates itself from other DLC and the main game

That was what upset me in your statements, not exactly the uninteresting nature of the Free Cities

But instead the fact that you devalued the basis of a Galmland DLC by intentionally ignoring nuances and context

The cultivation of this behaviour has adverse effects and I hope that we can both do our best to no longer run into this squabbling of conversation that has an effect of denaturing honest debate by treating opinion as objective fact and not truly addressing the actual point of the premise of this thread

What this thread is truly a criticism of is for the player base to presume without any kind of evidence or knowledge of the dev’s intentions their plans for the next stages of Suzerain’s development

Where they act as though their own preferences are of a concrete nature

In which case, we have both fundamentally blundered by running into the prejudices and ignorances that this post is criticising

Therefore, I’d like to apologise for perhaps giving you the wrong end of the stick so to speak as I have unnecessarily only added fuel to a metaphorical fire of wild speculation turning into hate filled comments and would like to extend to you a request to not run into this kind of argument from now on

As now I understand that it will lead to nothing except the collapse of relations and honest debate that should perpetuate this server instead of toxic debate

But yeah Galmland is pretty cool

Free Cities is also cool

[wispy spear]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-kumala-la-kumala-la-savesta-kumala-my-honest-gif-26073681

[cedar vapor]

Qinal?

@wispy spear honest opinion to Qinal?

[cedar vapor]

I say this mainly because your argument did not come from an honest or respectful perspective but instead was done with only the intention to add further fuel to this metaphorical fire that boils at the heart of all Suzerain players, this fire so vast and deep that it boils one’s blood with its hellish intensity

But I’d say that that is more so a criticism of mine of the general attitudes that these types of debates normally take that typically begin to devolve them and their nature

Because there is a difference between “That is an interesting opinion, however I find there to be an issue with it” and treating subjective view as objective view

It only further harnesses this harmful atmosphere

And I profess to also involving myself in such attitudes, so I’d like to say that I am sorry for doing so

[cedar vapor]

Because when you treat subjective view as objective view, it ultimately only serves to antagonise both ends of the spectrum

In what may be considered a moot point

So, in conclusion, many a person has fell within these pitfalls that plague this narrative of a two sided argument

That has ultimately resulted in an adverse impact upon an otherwise beneficial relationship

[wispy spear]

I just say that the main premise of Galmland DLC is commies fighting themselves.

Which is true

https://tenor.com/view/idk-ngl-gif-13792276402990602494

[sweet gull]

Galmland was mentioned in an article if you increase the EPA threshold or smth. And as we all know Sordland's campaign affect the Rizia campaign. So MAYBE Galmland will be the next DLC.(Free Cities is also cool, though)

[cedar vapor]

Meanwhile, the plot for a Free Cities DLC:

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

You don’t need to put down one in order to lift up the other

It is true, however, you’re framing it in a disingenuous, dishonest way that saps out any kind of nuance in how a story such as that can be told

[wispy spear]

Looks like Galmland

[cedar vapor]

Well acktually, the climate of Galmland isn’t arid 🤓 🖐️

[wispy spear]

Mmm I'm just saying the truth, don't know why you are so touched by that.

[cedar vapor]

Who’s touching who? 😳

I just thought that I offended you and proliferated a negative atmosphere and wanted to correct myself, apologies in advance

[copper heron]

Well we already have Merkopa story and the drama in it why not Rika?

[cedar vapor]

Galmland is in Rika and would interact with it

[copper heron]

It can lead to more lore in Suzerain and open for more story

[wispy spear]

It's a way of saying that you seem too offended that I say that the main plot of Galmland is commies fighting themselves which is true

[cedar vapor]

That’s true, I think a DLC portraying a nation in active civil war would be nice, instead of the game being the leading up to conflict you’re always in a state of war from start to finish

[copper heron]

I like the free city but to extend they still in sphere of Merkopa

[cedar vapor]

No no you have me wrong, what I was saddened by was the way that I persecuted your beliefs in a need to project my own, so I’d like to apologise for that

It was unbecoming of me and I’m really sorry that it happened

[copper heron]

We already have Hegel as the "good" guy why not potray Hegel and Leon as a vague character in Rika

[cedar vapor]

Perhaps you could play as a nation that has just gained independence, where you have to reconcile with former Valgish settlers alongside nationalists

Rebuilding a nation that does not even know itself what it wants to become

[copper heron]

Could be the case

But if it happened than it better to be a different game than DLC

[cedar vapor]

And perhaps the Valgish settlers are radicalised by an apartheid state that the nation borders that heavily dislikes your nation due to radicalising the natives in their coloniser led nation

[cedar vapor]

Indeed

[copper heron]

Like core mechanic gonna be different since you are to "build" a nation not build it from continued existance

[cedar vapor]

You could perhaps be a generalissimo figure who’s only recently won an independence war and must either liberalise or maintain military command

Maybe an interim government

[copper heron]

That could be interesting

Definitely can get to DLC as building a nation without changing the core game

[cedar vapor]

You would need to balance out the many different factions within the interim government, the communists who want to redistribute the property of Valgish colonial settlers, the nationalists who want to create a strong central government, former kingdoms and tribal families who wish for the creation of a decentralised federation government and the regular citizens who just want some prosperity after decades of harsh colonial rule

It would be up to you to keep it all together and not allow a civil war to break out

A Kalrad dlc would also be cool

[copper heron]

I think that a bit to far

It would be nice if we can have discuss to torpor CEO or founder

Like the that one community right now

[naive fractal]

What paths were cut?

[naive fractal]

What

[cedar vapor]

Stratocracy, socialist revolution, absolutist content isn’t as developed as the reformist path

[naive fractal]

Stratocracy? What are your sources for this? Also can't a socialist revolution kinda happen?

[cedar vapor]

Lucita discusses a kind of stratocracy government with Romus at one point and then talks about talking to Taddeus about it, there’s no option to follow up with this supposed path unlike the theocratic path

For the socialist revolution, Hegel mentions the possibility of making Rizia align with CSP by overthrowing the Rizian government with Romus and installing Romus as a socialist dictator

[naive fractal]

Got you, yeah I remember that now

[naive fractal]

I mean what can you do as a socialist dictator that you couldn't do as a king? Though I wish there were more socialist/communis decrees.

[cedar vapor]

They’d give you access to more socialist/communist decrees, I imagine

And the point is to give the game flavour

[sweet gull]

How to get this comrade?

[cedar vapor]

• image of being called Comrade Romus

[naive fractal]

I just leased the island to Lespia like 5 minutes ago, didn't know you could do that with Valgsland as well. That's cool.

[cedar vapor]

It isn’t a lease, just allowing troops on the island so it’s different to Lespia

[naive fractal]

Yeah, yeah, but you get what I mean.

[sweet gull]

how to get this lol

I heard you need to TAX alot, right? If it is, then what taxes are need(Or how many taxes required?) and is there anything needed too?

[naive fractal]

Why does Hegel like you if you tax a lot lol?😂

[sweet gull]

lol I heard about it not means it is a fact

[naive fractal]

Fair

[cedar vapor]

Probably just requires good relations with Valgsland

[sweet gull]

How

[cedar vapor]

Cooperation during MITZ, allowing malenyevust propaganda ect

[sweet gull]

I do those 2 but still missing smth I think

[cedar vapor]

Mmmm

[sweet gull]

Mmmm

[forest sky]

The next DLC will most likely feature a nation has been mentioned. While they might choose a path where our playthroughs of Sordland and Rizia have no impact, I find this unlikely. I suspect the next DLC will focus on the nation to which Rizia could send aid, allowing us to play as a monarchy fighting to reclaim the throne or the rebels. Alternatively, it could involve a nation affected by our previous playthrough. However, they might also surprise us by selecting a distant nation, introducing us to an entirely new scenario.

[past saffron]

considering we first heard of Rizia before we knew fo the DLC most likely

[thorny anchor]

Honestly I don't mind they all sound cool qinal ✅ gamland
The free city's 👍