Alternate History of Sorland - What if the Civil War of 1928 was avoided?

[azure remnant]

Let's do a bit of Alternate history here because why not.

Let's imagine in another world that General Rikard won't attempt to seize power from General Luderin, what would Sorland in 1954 would look like?

[austere bluff]

Serge president

[hollow pulsar]

Much more stable Colonel Soll would never be in power and there'd all be more stability and freedom for Bluds and Sords alike

Artor Wisci was a very large idealist and liberal and would've done many reforms too expand the freedoms and rights of Sordland

We could see a new ideology about Freedom and Protection of rights for the people

Wiscism

I think the guy was also a massive Centrist

[hollow pulsar]

I think you mean "King Serge"

[austere bluff]

yesss 😭😭😭

[hollow pulsar]

👑 : All Hail King Serge First of His Name and King of Sordland!

[fresh hill]

Assuming the coup doesn’t happen? The BFP become the main opposition party (per the codex) and Wisci’s SRP continues in government. The SRP eventually splits as the years go by due to the lack of cohesion now that the republic has been built

But say if Luderin coups and Rikard doesn’t rise against him? He establishes a fascist dictatorship. Might pull a Franco where he goes “yeah we’re technically a monarchy but I’m the regent”

[hollow pulsar]

So a republic that ISNT ran by racists and paranoid idiots cough NFP Cough

[fresh hill]

Probably. The game does imply that Wisci was probably the most kindest Sordish leader to the Bluds (in that he cared about their education via rural institutes).

Anti-Bludish racism would still be a thing but it might not be as pronounced as Soll’s republic

[hollow pulsar]

With Artor in charge and not opposed. The face of Sordish politics and the whole nation itself is changed SIGNIFICANTLY, with freedom for people and the infrastructure won't be blown to bits and many of the youth organisations Red Youth and Young Sords wont even exist!

[fresh hill]

Certainly. Sordland would be a much better place if Luderin didn’t coup

[hollow pulsar]

Rumburg may not even start destabilizing Sordland with the country being so stable. Their military might would be much more significant

The scars inflicted by the civil war were significant and halted Sordish growth significantly

[fresh hill]

I think that Rumburg would still try to destabilise Sordland. After all, Beatrice is an expansionist and there will always be weaknesses in Sordland that she will seek to exploit

[austere bluff]

artor would sell sordland out to rumburg

this is very true

verified by real NFP patriots

[hollow pulsar]

True, but this would by no means be an easy task. And I guess that Sordlands military might be comparable too Lespias at this point

[hollow pulsar]

On the subject of the NFP. Theyd probably be given another name but would not attract much support from the public. Nationalism thrives in hardship and there ain't no hardship in this timeline

[ember slate]

I don’t believe the BFP would be the main opposition for long after

BFP being a mostly bludish based party would struggle to keep up as Wiscis party loses the post revolution support it once had

All while communist, monarchist(there was one mentioned in the codex), and nationalist parties gather a base from disgruntled Wisci supporters

[hollow pulsar]

True actually. The Monarchy would still be fresh in the minds of the people and assembly who would be advocating top put Egmunds daughter Jules back on the throne

The Sordish Monarchist Restoration Party

SMRP

[fresh hill]

Same. By the 2nd election (should be around 1931?), they’ll split off too just like the SRP

[ember slate]

Not even from splitting, BFP just seems to have very little to draw with

[ember slate]

Some who may have supported republicanism but latter wish to go back

[tiny dirge]

Luderin would probably still be in charge

and there would be a lot of intrique as to his succession

Sordland would also be pro-Rumberg

[hollow pulsar]

Wisci would be a national hero though who actually DID something to help people. Even when he does lose the election he'll probably still have tons of clout in politics

[hollow pulsar]

I seriously doubt that since Rumburg is expansionist asfff and they have grand ambitions for Sordland since they have natural gas

Rumburg never liked Sordland and i doubt that Luderin would take that lying down

[tiny dirge]

they provided Luderin with weapons during the civil war so they were interetsed in investing in him

presumably he would have returned the favor

and Rumberg at that point was shopping for a new ally since they'd lost Valgsland to the Communists

[hollow pulsar]

I feel like they were more interested in a state that's reliant on them rather than an ally

They hoped that they'd get new trade agreements and maybe some land

[ember slate]

I can see Wisci retiring after one or two terms and after that his parties influence will probably diminish rapidly

[austere bluff]

Wisci would likely establish a multi-party parliamentary republic.

I'm actually uncertain whether Sordland would be as prosperous -- Soll did a lot to develop Sordland's industrial base.

Perhaps if Sordland solicits greater Western investment it could develop rapidly, but that's a strong "perhaps."

[ember slate]

But the revolution is different than with the civil war, unlike after the civil war communism and extreme nationalism weren’t discredited massively allowing them to have an increased open popularity

[hollow pulsar]

Yes Artor S Wiscis reign allowed alot of different ideologies to come too Sordland without too much friction. Dude was very liberal and didn't judge based on ideals

[solar folio]

Pretty sure Rumburg's expansionist policies are a new thing started by

Luderin would be quite old by the time they start looking south

Roughly the same age as Soll

Or Artor Wisci

Probably younger than Artor, but old by 1954 nonetheless

[hollow pulsar]

There expansionist policies were established in the 20s I'm pretty sure ever since they annexed Dome. Yes they were established by Beatrice but they are not new by any means

[austere bluff]

Rumburg has had a claim on Estord and Narbel since the 1870s when they lost them in the 15-Day War. Sure, Alfred II (Beatrice's father) was more pragmatic and focused on achieving superpower status through diplomatic maneuvering and economic development, but Sordish-Rummish hostilities have been around for a long while.

[austere bluff]

Beatrice was Queen when they annexed Dome.

[hollow pulsar]

I have been destroyed by FACTS and KNOWLEDGE

[hollow pulsar]

So Alfred II was chill? And Beatrice wasn't. That doesn't bode well for Luderin if he won or Artor if he keeps power

[austere bluff]

Alfred wasn't necessarily chill. We know from the codex that his industrialization program used forced labor, and he reigned as some kind of quasi-authoritarian, but he was certainly more pragmatic than his daughter.

[hollow pulsar]

Ahhh so Alfred was Chiller than Beatrice but not necessarily good. But there at least has too be ONE good Livingston in that blasted dynasty

But Artor would maintain friendly relations with Rumburg inmo since they have a more empowered army and more modernized infrastructure

Much at Beatrice's dismay

[austere bluff]

Actually, we have a mention in the codex of Rumburg's assholery going back to the 17th century, during the Renan Aristocracy.

Rumburgian King Edward saw an opportunity to claim the riches of Renan when his country was still suffering under economic problems due to the War of Dying Roses. He seized the moment and attacked the northern borders of Renan, razing many settlements. As the battles went on, the war slowly started to look worse for Renan when Rumburg inched closer to the heartland of Sords. At this time Albrecht was growing too old to lead the nation, already in his late seventies.

https://codex.torporgames.com/renan-aristocracy

[hollow pulsar]

Goddamnit

[feral heath]

It still annoys me to no end why we can't execute her if we want too aside from allying with Vagland.

[austere bluff]

Because that would require total victory on Sordland's part.

Like you'd have to occupy the entire country, which is massive, in order to bring Beatrice to justice.

She's not letting you execute her, lmao.

[hollow pulsar]

And it would NOT look good at the next AN meeting

But so we all agree with Artor still in charge that Sordland will basically be OP?

[austere bluff]

Eh, not necessarily.

[hollow pulsar]

With Artor in charge Free speech would be preserved. He maintains good relations with the West and increases trade volume. Infrastructure will remain untouched and continue to grow. People will not be discriminated against on a larger scale compared to Soll

[feral heath]

One way or another I'll find a way to make her grovel and beg for her life and her entire country. Nobody's messed with Anton Rayne.

[hollow pulsar]

He is a BIG upgrade

[feral heath]

I'm willing to pay that price.

[austere bluff]

It'd be impossible.

[austere bluff]

Sure, the country would be better, but that doesn't make it more powerful.

[hollow pulsar]

That's a win in my book

All we need is an Anton Rayne to lead Sordland into GREATNESS

But that's a big IF since I think the civil war had a big effect on the people in government

Anton Rayne may just be some random joe in Holsord

[agile plume]

I don't know if anton rayne would be intrested to be the president if there is no civil war in sordland

But i think he's still gonna enter the world of politic

[hollow pulsar]

: I've been thinking about making my own party call the USP
: Shut TF up and make me my coffee Anton

[austere bluff]

It seems like Rayne's involvement in politics does kind of stem from the civil war to some extent.

Plus, the establishment of a new party like the USP enables his greatest career opportunity.

[agile plume]

Yeah wisci would be so powerfull if there is NO civil war that oppose his position, making him probably a lifetime president

[austere bluff]

He probably wouldn't want to remain a President -- or I think Prime Minister -- for that long.

Not everyone wants to desperately cling onto power until they die.

[hollow pulsar]

[agile plume]

Doesn't mean he can't

[fresh hill]

Wisci would probably retire after a term or two. He’s an old man

[agile plume]

He's to powerfull to let down

And sordish population love him

But yes he's probably not intrested to be lifetime president

[fresh hill]

Any politician with enough popular and party support can continue to be in power. But being in power does take a toll on your mind, body and other aspects of life

[agile plume]

Yes, just like washington, he could be lifetime president but he doesn't wan't to

[austere bluff]

Wisci would probably serve as President under the SRP for perhaps a single more term (1928 - 1932) before retiring.

I don't see the coalition outliving his tenure as President, either.

[hollow pulsar]

He would probably go into writing just like his college days in Lespia after retirement

[agile plume]

:Its finnaly my time to shine

[austere bluff]

Washington would've died halfway into his third term, wouldn't have mattered.

[fresh hill]

The codex doesn’t mention when exactly Artor began his political activities but I’m guessing he’s been at it for decades. He’ll serve 1-2 terms and then retire to live out his days in peace, being well-respected and seen as the father of the country. If I were in Artor’s position, I’d go for a max of 2 terms and then let someone younger take the Presidency

[hollow pulsar]

: Get out of my chair and sort out my meetings

[ember slate]

‘24-‘32 if you want to count time as interim president

[hollow pulsar]

Dude would probably make his own ideology Wiscism about Liberalism and more western leaning views

[agile plume]

Sordland people would praise wisci like tarquin soll

[austere bluff]

I don't think he would ever codify a specific ideology named for himself, that seems out of character for him.

[austere bluff]

I highly doubt that.

[ember slate]

Considering his son is an old man in 53 most likely he’d be quite old

[austere bluff]

Soll went to personal lengths to cultivate a cult of personality.

I don't think Wisci had any such intentions.

[ember slate]

They already have a statue of him in Holsord

[agile plume]

I mean, he did alot for the country, just like tarquin soll, but his short term probably gonna be remembered to be one of the greatest reform of sordland

[austere bluff]

"Wow, he has a statue in Holsord!"

Well... yeah. So what? Soll has his portrait in every classroom in the country, and makes children say him a prayer every day, lmao.

There's a clear difference.

[fresh hill]

Wisci wouldn’t have the same legacy as Soll. People would still try to claim Wisci’s legacy but Wisci wouldn’t build a cult around himself (unlike Soll)

[hollow pulsar]

I have a feeling it would manifest over time. He is the revolutionary hero of Sordland and his policies are WORKING. So why not follow his views?

[austere bluff]

We don't know if his policies would work.

[ember slate]

I mean every school on my area had a picture of Washington and Lincoln in the cafeteria

[austere bluff]

And, I mean, of course there'd be a faction of liberals in a Wisci tradition.

[agile plume]

True, i think since he have diffrent view than tarquin soll, people would still respect him just not like tarquin soll

[austere bluff]

I mean, I see that as different because I doubt those portraits were put up in Washington or Lincoln's time.

Or that they mandated it.

[hollow pulsar]

True actually. I wish we had more info on his ideology and policies during his 3 year run

[fresh hill]

You’d have people across the political spectrum (save for the very fringes and monarchists) saying “Well yeah. We do look up to Wisci and see our politics in him”

But it won’t be like Soll where you have his whole cult jammed down your throat from the moment you’re placed in school

[ember slate]

It was a common district level policy

[austere bluff]

Eh, so what?

[agile plume]

We need wisci DLC

[austere bluff]

Is it a little weird? Sure.

But it's a different thing to what Soll does.

Seeing as Soll was literally President when that policy was enacted.

[hollow pulsar]

Dude made his following with respect and with the people in mind. Soll used his clout as a hero to force and basically brainwash the masses into following him

[agile plume]

Indeed and wisci is not a person like that

[hollow pulsar]

Absolutely YES

[ember slate]

Used it to have a near dictatorship

[austere bluff]

I strongly, strongly disagree.

[ember slate]

No matter what you do Luderin always coups because he’s just an Ahole

[austere bluff]

Allowing the player to make "alternate history" in a game diminishes the main project.

IMO.

[hollow pulsar]

I don't think we should PLAY as Wisci. More like get extra dialogue and info about him and what he did

[fresh hill]

I’m not really in favour of a Wisci dlc but I’m down for more lore on Wisci

[ember slate]

Maybe a post independence Rikan/Xinan leader

[fresh hill]

The whole First Republic era (1923-27) is a lost time for Sordland. I can only imagine the frustration and depression felt by the revolutionaries of 1923 once Luderin couped and the ensuing civil war

[austere bluff]

I think The Death of Malenyev would be a cool game.

[ember slate]

I feel if needs it’s own codex page to go into detail of the lead up to the civil war

[austere bluff]

You'd have a loading screen with maybe 3 or 4 playable characters, and you'd get a short post-Malenyev power struggle story to play through, with a few different outcomes and an epilogue.

Probably 8 - 10 hours of content total?

[agile plume]

I mean, we would learn about him but in other dlc

[fresh hill]

Agreed. The current lore on it is “there were protests and unrest, Luderin took things into his own hands and couped on grounds of rising communist influence and unrest, Rikard counter-couped and then the civil war began”.

We still don’t know what exactly led up to Luderin’s coup though. Did Wisci piss off the conservatives and the Church too much? How did he anger the military? Stuff like that

Coups don’t happen out of nowhere. My guess is that the relationship between Wisci and the army was shaky, troubled and weak from the start

[ember slate]

Migration/tribal
Markian Empire
Renan Aristocracy
Post-Renan Warlords (mentioned in the Renan codex IIRC)
Kingdom of Sordland
1st Republic of Sordland
Sordish Civil War
2nd Republic of Sordland

[ember slate]

Most likely as he was from a wealthy more scholar family

[agile plume]

He defunded the military 🔫

[fresh hill]

The codex mentions that although the revolution started with Heron Walt’s resignation, it wasn’t until the army joined in that Egmund was finally ousted.

Piecing together inferred info from the game (in that the army went along with Luderin and didn’t question him until some time later) and Naro’s statements on Rikard, I think that the relationship between Wisci and the military was uneasy from the start. The reluctance of military officers to counter-coup Luderin to restore Wisci and the Republic shows that they didn’t value him. They only supported him because he could challenge Egmund. And once Luderin challenged Wisci and won, they toed the line and accepted Luderin

[agile plume]

Or, the military was asking to intervene in politic but wisci denied it, then the military doesn't happy with wisci and 2 general was using the military to take by force

[fresh hill]

Traditionally speaking, the officer corps of most militaries tend to be from the upper and upper middle classes who lean conservative and right wing - especially in the time frame of the 1920s. There are, of course, exceptions to this but the socioeconomic composition of the officer corps can’t be ignored in understanding how Wisci was couped and why the army didn’t come to his aid

I can imagine most military officers being skeptical and concerned over Wisci’s reforms and democratisation

[ember slate]

Military officers also tend to be more popular among military officers than career politicans

[fresh hill]

Aye

After all, it’s one of their own

In group vs out group dynamic

[ember slate]

Military officers are also more receptive to marking with the military

Most probably had their moral compasses suppressed until it got to the breaking point that caused Rikard to counter coup

It could also be that they were biding their time to counter coup until a good moment

[hollow pulsar]

Wisci knew the dangers of letting Military into politics and didn't let them. That was his undoing

[fresh hill]

Perhaps

[ember slate]

Getting a coup to work is about striking fast as seen in the 50s coup in the Kingdom of Iraq when all it took was one division driving by Baghdad to take over government before a response could be organized or leaders to flee

[hollow pulsar]

So Wisci was too much of an idealist and got himself killed as an result

Too much change way too fast

[hollow pulsar]

I'd absolutely love more info about the Renan period

[ember slate]

I want to know about the 7 year warlord period

[hollow pulsar]

Where they more Markian than Sordish? What kind of Kings and Queens did they have? Did one of them leave a lasting mark on Merkopa? Or did one of them lead a dark period in the countries history?

This is the type of shit I wanna know

[hollow pulsar]

YES

So little info about an amazing period of history

[agile plume]

Lets hope the 2.0 amandement update also bring more info

In the past

[ember slate]

Marks and Sords have been established as two completely different tribes in the migration page

So it could be interesting

[hollow pulsar]

They were initially a Markian Trading family

It would be awesome to see the culture blend

[ember slate]

https://tenor.com/view/community-chaos-chaotic-fire-gif-17636558

[ember slate]

Sordland between 1859-1866

[hollow pulsar]

This makes alot of sense considering this is SORDLAND. A country where no one can stay quiet for 10 seconds

I swear if I get another riot I'ma go all Soll on them

[ember slate]

Info on the warlord period could explain why the Marks aren’t around anymore (genocide) and how someone presumably as young as Egmund was able to secure his own kingdom during the century of revolutions

The power dynamics of other nations trying to get their guy on top

[timber cave]

I love when he said “It’s solling time!” And Solled all over the Bluds

[ember slate]

God I would live theorizing about this

[agile plume]

Sordland have a strategic location so external power also can't quiet about sordland existance

:Wan't join?
:No
:Wan't join?
:No!
:Hey we could join!
:NOOO!!!

[abstract charm]

restoria374 has been warned

Reason: Mass emoji

[hollow pulsar]

Dude

[ember slate]

Scew you Tory

[agile plume]

True

[hollow pulsar]

AN in a nutshell

[ember slate]

Sordland, the chessboard of powers

This universe version of The Great Game

[agile plume]

[hollow pulsar]

But yes I need more info on the history of Sordland

There is so much lost info I've yet to learn

[agile plume]

Are amandement 2.0 update also bring more info for sordland history?

[timber cave]

Yea they said they’re adding a lot of new codex articles

[agile plume]

Yay

[ember slate]

I need more info to create dumb theories like “What if X warlord united sordland instead of Egmund”

[timber cave]

Egg mound

[ember slate]

Now I most return to two of the best songs ever created

[hollow pulsar]

Renan has so much history but all that's been labelled in the codex is "They made healthcare and all died lol"

They deserve more in the codex

Also I want more info about the Markians if there's a chance

What happened to them? Are they still around?

Were they even around of the Markian Empire collapse?

I need ANSWERS

[agile plume]

https://youtu.be/wOfRRKV0d3w

[hollow pulsar]

Thank you for this

I will finally rest

[agile plume]

[ember slate]

That’s a video using release date info veo it’s not all accurate

Like it says King Egmund conquers Agnland when in fact he didn’t

It had been apart of “Sordland” for a century

[wind olive]

well, many in the king's own staff didnt like jule

[wind olive]

the markians are either all gone, have intermarried with the other ethnic groups to the point where there is barely any markian blood, or they are somewhere else in the world

[ember slate]

That doesn’t matter to much to John Sord the average monarchist

[wind olive]

the duke of west agnolia decided to stay in agnolia when the commonwealth ended and and agnolia fell into civil war

[wind olive]

well sords are pretty conservative

[hollow pulsar]

But this would be the last remaining Royal in the world since Egmund is either dead or too old to rule. And people would rather have a young lady rule as queen rather than some dusty old man (Artor)

[ember slate]

Yeah it wasn’t “conquered” it chose to join sordland in order for protection during a civil war

[hollow pulsar]

Yep 👍

[wind olive]

well, at best, they would accept her as queen, but demand significant concessions to the point where the queen is literally a puppet

[hollow pulsar]

So basically the royal family like the UK?

[ember slate]

Probably making a weak monarch is best for nation

[wind olive]

but i could see wisci doing a major peace conference between agnolia and valgsland on heljiland

and creating an eastern merkopan union

[ember slate]

Or attempting at least

[wind olive]

there was an rp on what would have happened if wisci didnt get couped

but it ended up that it became more of a 1984/squid game combo

[ember slate]

Sounds about right

[hollow pulsar]

God knows if you give someone too much power they think they are the next Khan Ungur

[stray spade]

Is it just me or do Holstron and Livingston have a similar skin color?

If not the same

[hollow pulsar]

Maybe he has rummish heritage?

It ain't impossible since the countries are so close and immigrants used to come back and forth a while ago

[timber cave]

Remus would kill himself if he wasn’t a 100% purple blooded

[hollow pulsar]

Dude would have a mental break

[hollow pulsar]

Maybe he'll do a full 180 and just proclaim a revolution for Rumburg and destroy Sordland

: Fuck A Morgna Wes Core! Long Live Rumburg and god preserve the queen!

[agile plume]

[hollow pulsar]

Wiscism is the true path to prosperity

[low wraith]

To answer the question of if the civil war was avoided does that mean Luderin doesn’t coup Wisci at all or does Rikard not intervene/is removed which prevents him from stepping in when he tries to stop Luderin

[hollow pulsar]

Luderin doesn't coup at all, and Artor reigns with peace

fly high my sweet prince, too good for this world 🕊️

[low wraith]

In that case Wisci’s party wins the election with the BFP being the main opposition. Monarchism would be gradually left behind and the nation would become a beacon of freedom and democracy

[hollow pulsar]

Monarchism would still have a bit more traction tho later on, rather than monarchists being all but stomped and exiled from Sordland in our timeline

I still like to think that theirs a party that's pro-monarchy and wants to put Jules on the throne, while promoting Neutrality and Self sufficiency

[low wraith]

It would for a time but it’s support would fade away slowly as each generation grows up under the republic with it eventually becoming a niche party

[low wraith]

In the main timeline or this one?

[hollow pulsar]

This one

[hollow pulsar]

I'm thinking this timelines equivalent to the NFP

[low wraith]

Ah then yeah I’d agree with that

Maybe even lead by Jule if she were allowed back into the country

[hollow pulsar]

It just takes one president to fuck it all up for dangerous ideals to come into Sordland, let's say they lose a war or something shameful like an assassination that was leaked. Monarchism, Nationalism and Communism would be on the rise

[hollow pulsar]

Artor exiled them to Lespia or something, but once his term ends the next president would probs bring em back too calm the idiots that want the monarchy back

[low wraith]

It doesn’t need to even be that extreme. Just a couple of bad economic years (much like the one that Egmund was in) and those ideas would spread quickly

[hollow pulsar]

Maybe give her the equivalent of a Member of Honor title so no one can touch her and so she's protected

[hollow pulsar]

True true

[low wraith]

Their voices would be ignored mostly but they could argue that since the idea of having a monarchy wasn’t banned by popular demand that the exiling of the royal family should be undone

[hollow pulsar]

Ahhhh that makes sense I like that. The Monarchist party would also promote a bill in the assembly to give her a Member of Honor too possibly. This would give Jules more clout in Assembly while also guaranteeing her support from the Monarchist party

Artor would also be loved by the younger population too, since he was a huge sponsor for equal education

[low wraith]

I think that the support amongst the youth would vary based on the region

[hollow pulsar]

The more wealthier and more rural towns and regions (Nargis region and Narbel for example) would have alot of support for him since he opened rural institutes and schools and colleges within the city's and rural areas

[low wraith]

The moment such a bill entered the assembly someone would very quickly say “why don’t we get that as we are also relatives of the princess”

[hollow pulsar]

Fair actually

[low wraith]

True though it’s also possible that his more socialist policies would push some of them away especially if he pushed more secularization in society

[solar folio]

I should point out that up until Luderin's coup, Sordish ethnic nationalism and monarchism were tied hand in hand. Egmund claimed to be of "purple blood", an idea that is still promoted by Sordish nationalists in the game. Without Luderin, I could see nationalists and fascists within Sordland remaining firm royalists, which honestly might cause some alternate civil war down the line. In our timeline, the nationalists are willing to partake in the democratic process and change the republic from the inside, but they might be less willing if they are straight up calling for the restoration of the monarchy

[timber cave]

Erm actually Luderin was a monarchist 🤓☝️

[solar folio]

Really? Is that an addition to the lore from 2.0? Neat if so

[hollow pulsar]

Hm so even if we didn't have a Monarchist Restoration Party, we could have a party that'd want to preserve Sordlands past and that is very reactionary (Don't tear down symbols of the kingdom, fuck the Bluds, self sufficiency, no ATO or CSP)

[timber cave]

Yea they only added monarchist to Luderin in the battle of holsord article

[hollow pulsar]

The Monarchist Restoration Party might be the equivalent to the BFF spreading propaganda and he branded as terrorists (this is a hard maybe)

[timber cave]

Which was added in 2.0

[hollow pulsar]

It could be a WPB situation where they are constantly being accused of having ties with the terrorist group and having a bad rap

[timber cave]

But the 4 factions being monarchist/nationalist, communist, wisci, and sollism has been around since the end of the suitcase ARG I believe

[hollow pulsar]

I have a feeling that the BFP would be the 2nd largest party, 1st would be Artors Sordish Republican Party

BFP is in line and agrees with alot of Wiscis ideals

Just throwing it out there

[hollow pulsar]

I am really thinking of these 2 groups, The National-Monarchist Party wanting to preserve the legacy of the Kingdom and keep Sords on top while promoting Autarky, while the Monarchist Restoration Front would go all terrorist harassing and killing Bluds and other politicians "Against" Sordland and their views