Planning charter. Ideas?

[icy star]

Kind of loosely planning my charter future. Not anytime soon. Planning on doing A330-900 neos. I understand DFW is a good first hub out of 5. Any ideas for the next 4? I normally run 12x2 flights. Is there any other meta hubs/routes / cycles y'all would recommend? Thanks

[sharp mist]

I'd love to know too, I'm planning to get em in the near future.

[pale jasper]

Depends on what ur purpose is for running charters

It can be used for few different purposes

[sonic osprey]

I would suggest utilising a few days just researching routes that an A330neo would be capable of flying.

[icy star]

Mostly, just a different mechanic of the game to spice things up. Mostly income related, but a side of xp and contribution. I'm not so worried about contribution though because I don't take being top tier a serious goal. I like to just have fun

[icy star]

Any recommendations on hubs to look at besides DFW? I don't really know enough about charter mechanics to plan how many "cycles". I'd like to stay on roughly 12 hours maybe 5 days but I don't know what that's called if that makes sense

I don't plan to start charter until I have the money to immediately buy 10 upgraded a330s

I have the points, and fuel/CO2 to support it

[sonic osprey]

Charter demand resets every week unlike PAX demand.

Once you depart a charter plane you can not recall it.

You can't configure a Charter plane for first class.

[pale jasper]

You cant keep your legs on different boat, you may end up sinking

Focus on one thing

[sonic osprey]

You actually can 😉

[icy star]

Well from aeitalias guide it seems like two major routes, income vs XP farming. I'm not concerned with xp farming. So I guess income

[pale jasper]

You can earn money and XP..... Or you can focus on contributions

Money can be easily earned by pax planes so its just better to focus either on CD or XP

[icy star]

I don't see a huge benefit for me for xp farming. I'm not really in a rush to get anywhere

I guess the money and XP is my desire than as opposed to contribution

I'm not a serious alliance person to want a contribution based goal

[sonic osprey]

If you want a brief summary of charter I would highly recommend reading Æs guide on it.

You will only know good charter hubs if you research them.

[icy star]

Yeah I've read it a few times, I just didn't know if there's some meta hubs everyone recommends out of the gate

[sonic osprey]

X hub may be good for the A342s but may not be good for the A330neos

[sonic osprey]

Make sure to have a bit more money as you would need to make charter hubs

[icy star]

So if you do a 12 hour route. You select cycles? Like say 10, which is roughly 5 days?

How much does a charter hub cost? The same as buying a hub in the first place?

[sonic osprey]

Yes

[icy star]

And do all the charter planes depart at once? Like can I buy a plane, set up the route etc and then wait until I've set up all 10 planes to depart?

[pale jasper]

5000 for first hub, 4mil increase Every time from 2 second hub

[sonic osprey]

Yes

[icy star]

And in the most basic sense, you're making sure there's demand on each route, to handle say 10 flights

[sonic osprey]

Charter is basically autodepart.

The cycles are how many times the game will depart the plane.

[icy star]

Is there a way to figure out charter demand on routes before unlocking it?

[sonic osprey]

Research tab

[icy star]

And I imagine you need more demand than just 10 cycles for example, since they would arrive before the demand has reset

Since if it's say 5 days, you'd have to depart a second time within 7 days

[sonic osprey]

20 flights.

Charter demand resets every week so you would need enough demand for 2 departures.

[pale jasper]

Yes

[icy star]

Got it got it

[sonic osprey]

When they land you can either depart them or ground them

[pale jasper]

I use 4x6 cycle per week

[sonic osprey]

Just a heads up though.

You might need a couple of charter hubs for 20 A330neos

You might have to find routes in the range ( without stopover) of the plane

[icy star]

Yeah I'll have to do some steady research. I'd be doing 10 to start. I appreciate the insight

I'll probably save a solid 1.5b or so, to be able to afford the planes, hubs and routes out of the gate

[sonic osprey]

Also make sure to depart the charter planes when you have a full tank of fuel

[icy star]

It takes the 5 day cycle all at once right?

I guess I have to do the math to make sure I could afford the fuel and CO2 plus my current fleet before I buy 10 charter planes

And I can't buy a339s before I unlock charter right? They're separate models to purchase?

[urban bobcat]

As hubs, I recommend FCO, JFK, CDG, YUL,DXB
Buy the B781 is cheaper than the A330-9 and it brings in almost the same profit.

[icy star]

Any idea if the price of a charter a330-9 is the same as pax 110k? And do you know what the SFC upgrade cost is?

[sonic osprey]

I dont remember the exact cost of the upgrades correctly but it was somewhere between $15M and $22.5M.

[sonic osprey]

Yes

[sonic osprey]

Say you do all upgrades on the A330neo and fly them on routes in the interval 11,000km and 12,000km then you would need a fuel storage of 21M to safely depart the planes without having to buy fuel again just to depart a few planes.

[icy star]

They said you were the man, and now I say it too 😎

Looks like I would need like 60m CO2 reserve to fly them, that's hefty! I guess I'd just fly them on a different time then my normal am or pm departures

[sonic osprey]

You don't need to worry about Co2 storage.

Co2 is always relatively cheaper than Fuel.

You can just depart your planes at say your normal morning departure. They will land after 5 days ( can change depending on cycle ) a few minutes earlier given that you have CI-ed them close to 12 hours.

Also with the first flight remember to log how many hours have been taken of the a-check counter.

Suppose it takes off 100 hours then you would need to acheck the plane when it reaches 100 hours and not when it reaches the red.

[wispy rune]

$route katl spim a320-200

[urban bobcat]

[wispy rune]

Funny slayz!
I was multitasking too fast and made myself look like doof. 😂

[pseudo agate]

Will I have to pay 1500 or more points every month to renew charter???

[sonic osprey]

No

You pay 1500 to unlock charter and then after 3 months you have to pay 600 to renew your license every month

[pseudo agate]

@sonic osprey
Oh ok ty