general

[sweet lintel]

Reading, AI, Fuzzing - That part is up to you 🙂

As Firefox is open source, find the patch, read the code before, and see if you can figure out the issue.

[scenic maple]

true. will do

[rough mirage]

art is hard

[mint bobcat]

Hello everyone.
I’m new to HTB and i would like make career in CyberSec.
Can you help me with which to to start an how to learn …?

[worthy cargo]

Art is easy. Just gotta know your techniques

I made this painting from spray paint and acrylics

And this one

[west lynx]

Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible

[scenic maple]

read this

[worthy cargo]

This is pure spray paint

[mint bobcat]

Thank you!

[worthy cargo]

This is my best painting so far

[rough mirage]

bro wtf how are you so good? 😭

looks amazing fr

[worthy cargo]

But lately I enjoy making AI art.

But people shit on me for using AI

They call it slop

Thanks man

[bronze lion]

damnnn

[worthy cargo]

I'm equally good at the guitar

[bronze lion]

🔥

[worthy cargo]

But I like making AI music too

[rancid swallow]

veri nice

[bronze lion]

AI music?

[rancid swallow]

talented af

[rancid swallow]

AI-generated music

[rough mirage]

never seen good ones but yeah cool

[worthy cargo]

How about this one

[rough mirage]

im trying to get into nudist art

[worthy cargo]

This came out real nice

[rough mirage]

looks nice

i like the galaxies and stuff

[worthy cargo]

Me too

I love space

[rancid swallow]

[bronze lion]

wow that was very helpful ,
pls accept a upper cut as reward for helping me out

[rancid swallow]

Lolmao, Elbow placed above your Uppercut , good luck

[worthy cargo]

Here's some digital art too

[rancid swallow]

Google's Lyra , Suno , etc are the platforms to generate

[worthy cargo]

I did this in Gimp

[raven rain]

that's because the whole point of art is that it is human expression. when an AI generates it for you, the human connection is lost

[worthy cargo]

I don't feel that. As an artist, I don't feel that. I love AI art.

I don't think AI takes away from human art at all.

[bronze lion]

cool now ur ribs are open while youre busy posing with that elbow

[rancid swallow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thailand-thai-film-tony-jaa-3o6nVbhKCTKdYZqnVm

[worthy cargo]

Here's another digital piece in Gimp

[bronze lion]

sadly i dont have embed perms

[reef sierra]

Hi guys sup

[silver forge]

some year right now gimp will reach feature parity with photoshop 4.0

[rancid swallow]

Literally what was your actual question then , from
"Ai Music?"
lol

[worthy cargo]

Gimp is already fucking amazing

[bronze lion]

ye lol

[rough mirage]

yesss this one and the one you sent before is way better

looks banging

[worthy cargo]

Thanks

I do digital art and canvas art with spray and acrylics

But I also enjoy making AI art

[rough mirage]

oh I see, nice

[worthy cargo]

It's very therapeutic

[rough mirage]

true

its relaxing

[raven rain]

at least for me, others like me, and artists who draw, we can see what others create and appreciate not only the emotions behind what artists create but also the skill and effort it takes to do what they do. AI strips that away. AI artwork does not carry the same weight that human art does since humans cannot relate to AI. there was no skill involved in creating the piece, and we cannot interpret the emotions behind it either

[rough mirage]

im just into drawing with pencil

but i suck 😭

[worthy cargo]

To each their own

[silver forge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-gif-12217623666990885392

[rough mirage]

its just personal preference ig

[worthy cargo]

People have different opinions about AI

Some support it and some don't

Both are okay

[proper dragon]

You're articulating something a lot of people feel deeply, and there's real substance to it. A few threads worth pulling on:

I hate how AI sounds like some HR lady

[raven rain]

drawing is easy. drawing well is very hard, and i have immense respect for artists since they spend nearly every day honing their craft

and most people will take it for granted

[silver forge]

the sad thing is, the ones opposed will not adapt their skills, and they will end up like dinosaurs... it's going to be really brutal for them, but I guess they can make acorn soup and dumpster dive

[worthy cargo]

Painting isn't easy either. First you have to draw, then you have to paint it in.

[rough mirage]

i fucking hate translating emails

[worthy cargo]

Painting is much more difficult in that sense than just drawing

I should know.

[rough mirage]

idk bro i just wanna draw naked men 😔

[worthy cargo]

AI isn't replacing any artists anytime soon, but AI art is fantastic. It's not just prompting, but in-painting,

[bronze lion]

*no comment

[worthy cargo]

A lot of effort goes into AI art as well, with prompting just right, then post processing with in-painting, replacing parts here and there

[dusky jacinth]

Phenomenal non existent comment

[bronze lion]

fr

[rough mirage]

i mean its great

[proper dragon]

alright chat
24H of Nurburgring starts at 9am est
do I binge redbull or coffee

[silver forge]

if you're a driver binge redbull, otherwise go to sleep

[bronze lion]

how abt u drink some water and doze off

[proper dragon]

But it's 6am. That's morning

[dusky jacinth]

Yall ever hate when bug bites wake you up at 5 am

[proper dragon]

bite back

[worthy cargo]

It's almost morning and I have not had any sleep

[dusky jacinth]

And now you just gotta sit there itchy

And tired

[bronze lion]

tf dude, i cant even recall that happening

[dusky jacinth]

We got bugs out here homie

[proper dragon]

it's important to assert dominance when a bug bites you otherwise it sets a bad precedent for other bugs to follow

[dusky jacinth]

They bite

[silver forge]

yes pee on the bugs

[bronze lion]

clean ur bed and house ? hello!

[dusky jacinth]

Homie the bugs are outside

You get bit when you go outside

[high cobalt]

Ouff

[bronze lion]

odomos can help

even tho its primarly for mosquitoes

[signal mica]

Is this live? You got a stream?

[dusky jacinth]

It don’t matter tbh

[proper dragon]

It's not being broadcast yet

I'll send it over when it's up

[bronze lion]

damn are u in australia or something dude?

[dusky jacinth]

Nope

We got them bio engineered tics

[sick gate]

they have bugs all around the world

[dusky jacinth]

Jk

[bronze lion]

[raven rain]

respectfully, what you just described takes significantly less skill and effort than drawing (painting) from scratch

[bronze lion]

but its still an art tho, it doesnt make it less of an art bcz the effort u put into is less compared to the others

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy cargo]

To get something just right, it still takes a lot of time and work and effort and skills in GIMP or photoshop

[bronze lion]

(im not a big fan of AI art myself but i just wanted to point that out)

[worthy cargo]

This for example, is purely digital art. Do you have any idea how long it takes, how much skill and effort is required.

This is Salvia Droid from Canada

Digital artist

[raven rain]

a photoshop edit is not the same as a drawing

[worthy cargo]

Like I said, to each their own

I support all forms of art, digital, AI, canvas, etc. etc.

I don't discriminate and I'm glad I don't hold such opinions.

[silver forge]

that's much better than the AI slop

[worthy cargo]

He is just saying that it's a photoshop edit. Do you know how many hours of work it is, how much it takes to hone your skills in digital frameworks.

[bronze lion]

but art is a broad term, its not only'drawing'

[raven rain]

yea, because someone took the time to actually plan out the composition and actually create the artwork using their knowledge and skill

[worthy cargo]

Exactly.

To narrow art down to just drawings and paintings is absurd.

[raven rain]

lol i did not say the image you posted was a photoshop edit.

[worthy cargo]

Ok

I believe you.

[raven rain]

i am saying generating an AI image and doing post-processing is not any different from photoshopping an image

it is the same skillset

[worthy cargo]

Skill... set.

Not unskilled set.

Still it requires skill, talent, imagination, etc. etc.

[raven rain]

i also did not say that photoshop edits were unskilled

[worthy cargo]

It's like how the argument was 20 years ago when digital painting tablets came on the scence

[raven rain]

i am saying that there is significantly less skill involved in a photoshop edit

[worthy cargo]

Everyone was like, oh tablet art isn't art.

It's the same dumb argument again.

Did you see the painting I posted? Of Salvia Droids art?

[raven rain]

people who said tablet art isn't art are fools because the artist still needed create the composition from scratch

[worthy cargo]

Agreed

Salvia Droid started his art from scratch too. Look at how intricate it is.

[raven rain]

yeah, it's an amazing work

[worthy cargo]

I'm not nearly as good or skilled as him

I wish I could make art like that digitally.

That guy knows his tools and has a killer imagination

No different from a real artist.

Here's another Salvia Droid piece

As you can see, it's not 100% digital.

It's a mix media piece

I do the same. I take my art and digitize it sometimes.

Then add layers upon layers upon layers of effects etc.

If only I knew how to use the tools the way he does, I would be unstoppable!

[silver forge]

I like the upper part, but the lower part is too simple

[bronze lion]

u still can

[worthy cargo]

I think he uses photoshop and knows intimately. I use GIMP and I barely know it.

I absolutely love Salvia Droid

I would like to meet him one day

[bronze lion]

this is actually fire

[worthy cargo]

Seriously this dude is so badass

How does he do it!? OMG

Anyway

I think I should get some sleep

It's almost about to be sunlight soon

[silver forge]

or binge redbull

[worthy cargo]

Ew

[silver forge]

and yolo

[proper dragon]

yolo

[worthy cargo]

I don't want to poison my body with that stuff!

[silver forge]

technically redbull is just herbal tea with lots of added sugar

[signal mica]

Pinged

[silver forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-bobby-king-of-the-hill-incense-spiritual-gif-17334906726603736392

[worthy cargo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cpBJJODbvE03S

https://giphy.com/gifs/king-of-the-hill-hank-culture-v3nmg1ZB7wljGRLFtf

Bobby Hill is my spirit animal!

❤️ king of the hill

[proper dragon]

@signal mica previous one isn't doing it. This one is, but you need to use a VPN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFBUkzV0vFs

[rough mirage]

his art would be rlly good to enjoy if you're mid trip

[rancid swallow]

[proper dragon]

[rancid swallow]

[proper dragon]

[rancid swallow]

[proper dragon]

get that boomer bait out of here

[rancid swallow]

[proper dragon]

me irl

eyes are spot on

[mystic harbor]

[proper dragon]

[rancid swallow]

[supple plume]

@signal mica get pi 3.14159265358979323846

[silver forge]

lul I managed to run out of claude max quota for today

[proper dragon]

time to pack it up

braincells not as useful

[silver forge]

the work it is doing is actually pretty hard

[proper dragon]

what big rock do you have your agentic slave breaking into smaller rocks

[silver forge]

translating a book that is extremely hard language wise

[proper dragon]

oh the Russian book?

Which book is it?

[silver forge]

I can't identify it on public chat for reasons

[proper dragon]

send me a messenger pigeon

wait

it's probably some degen stuff
just learn Russia? It's a pretty cool language

They have many words that English needs entire sentences to explain

Would unlock a lot of rich literature and other media as well

And you could talk to russian hackers on various sites I need not name

[silver forge]

time for some vidya

[rancid swallow]

amazing\

[azure remnant]

Yo

Ill be writing a report for cpts prep for the unofficial list

Ill need someone to take a look at it

[eternal mango]

@vestal tinsel been playing this a bit on controller this morning, it damn good, an impressive play test (pre early access)

Highly recommend giving it a go while the play test is open!

[dusky jacinth]

Factorio has my soul 😐

[proper dragon]

stop resisting

just optimize

[dusky jacinth]

Who said I was resisting?

[proper dragon]

let the efficiency flow through you

[dusky jacinth]

should I be worried about load balancing already?

no

am I?

yes.

[eternal mango]

https://tenor.com/bRn74.gif

[proper dragon]

i can hear this

[dusky jacinth]

if the lanes ain't full it ain't right

[eternal mango]

😄

[jagged storm]

Now do a zero signal train setup

https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1p9q8n2/multitrain_railway_without_signals_but_trains/

[dusky jacinth]

no! 😁

[jagged storm]

The factory must grow

[dusky jacinth]

it can grow with signals.

[jagged storm]

But look how smooth it is!

No stops, no delays!

[dusky jacinth]

it is pretty smooth...

fuck

SHIT

GOD DAMMIT

[proper dragon]

yees

yeeeessss

this is the way

[dusky jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-gif-21554384

[proper dragon]

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-factorio-fishing-gif-16906335066699177672

[dusky jacinth]

did you see the get on factorio one

[jagged storm]

Yes

Are you playing space exploration?

[dusky jacinth]

No

just vanilla

[jagged storm]

Weak

[dusky jacinth]

Bruh

I wanna make a mod that makes the biters behave more like tryanids

and instead of just rampant attacks, as you begin to expand your territory, they begin to attempt to dismantle it more strategically

I.E. taking out supply lines (oil pipes, railways, space stations) and then just dipping

I've always loved the idea of an adaptive game enemy

[jagged storm]

Biters are too easy, so I just disable them entirely

[dusky jacinth]

love a good orbital strike

[jagged storm]

They end up just being a chore

[dusky jacinth]

it adds diversity imo

it's why I like it more than satisfactory

but that's just personal preference

[jagged storm]

You just need a harder mod, like space exploration. It will take you 400 hours to finish lol

[molten fog]

hey is there a basic list / general tool list for htb what you need to download from github / gerals pass user list/ i rollback my Kali to clean my disks and frogott to write down the tools i installed if not
if found this but i think this isnt everything https://github.com/kmahyyg/my-htb-tools.git

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah I saw martincitoopants play it

[jagged storm]

Just get what you need as you need it. Trying to keep a Kali alive is an effort in futility lol

[dusky jacinth]

Looks way cooler then the base spage age expansion tbh

[scenic maple]

yooooooo

[dusky jacinth]

IPV6 loopback???

EEEEEWWWWWWWWW

[scenic maple]

yeaa

whyyyyy

[safe jacinth]

CS2 anyone?

[jagged storm]

For sure, and it even makes the start a lot more involved. It's not as easy to just make a bus for everything

[molten fog]

ok thanks

[scenic maple]

its less characters than localhost

[dusky jacinth]

it's just wrong

[jagged storm]

You can change the name in your hosts file lol

[dusky jacinth]

and I don't like it

https://tenor.com/view/robert-its-pissing-me-off-robert-its-pissing-me-off-worm-gif-11975495890325360423

[scenic maple]

i know sure

but default is default

[scenic maple]

bro hates without reason

[dusky jacinth]

get those disgusting colons out of my address space

[jagged storm]

I use lb for loopback

[safe jacinth]

Guys?

[dusky jacinth]

(I refuse to adapt to IPv6)

[dusky jacinth]

IDK if anyone plays CS2

[safe jacinth]

Cool

[scenic maple]

wait i have to use hexadeciaml?

[jagged storm]

Vro just learned the reason lol

[scenic maple]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw

[jagged storm]

Just wait until you see ipv6 subnets

[scenic maple]

yuck

[dusky jacinth]

what do you mean /64

what do you fucking mean

it shouldn't go that big

ever

[jagged storm]

Now do ipv6 vlsm, for even more efficiency!

[scenic maple]

subnetting nromal ips is hard enough lmfao i aint doing this 128 bit bullshit

[dusky jacinth]

Do y'all think we'll see the full takeover of IPv6 in our lifetimes?

[scenic maple]

not while i am alive

[dusky jacinth]

I know it's used commonly and enabled on most modern devices

but like do you think it'll make a full takeover?

[jagged storm]

Probably never, actually. It's really only needed at the ISP level.

NAT exists

[dusky jacinth]

See this is my assumption too because of NAT

[muted mason]

Man I love watching videos by Ryan Montgomery. great guy

[jagged storm]

Mods, we got another bot

[muted mason]

I aint no boty

Wtf

[turbid goblet]

so u just follow the poor guy around?

[dusky jacinth]

you know who'd say that

[turbid goblet]

how long do u watch him

[dusky jacinth]

a bot

[muted mason]

Literally today a week haha

[scenic maple]

generate me a react component saying hello world

[jagged storm]

Enters the server and immediately advertises

[muted mason]

Can i use chat gpt?

I ain't advertising. I legit just signed up to HTB today lol

[scenic maple]

no bro do something original

[jagged storm]

Seen like 6 accounts do this in the last few weeks

[mental mulch]

soon

[scenic maple]

you can do a few boxes rank up and prove rat wrong

btw

[mental mulch]

imagine if this was "golam net/http server"

[austere sinew]

Ay be nice, they're talking about someone in cysec who they like

[muted mason]

I want to...But I kind of did a small doodoo. I closed the vm so now i need ot wait a day

[scenic maple]

i dunno bro but i cant see myself typing hexa decimal or subnetting that 😭

[mental mulch]

LMAO

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-humperdink-wrong-never-wrong-gif-10845603111022668522

[scenic maple]

mad respect to the guys who do networking

[turbid goblet]

im always wrong

cursed during birth

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[vestal atlas]

hey im new to HTB

[severe falcon]

welcome to Earth!

[turbid goblet]

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/dalek-explain-doctor-who-gif-5490200

[severe falcon]

Sadness touching skys.

[jagged storm]

Did we get another lpe this morning yet

[severe falcon]

Yes

[jagged storm]

There was the one yesterday, but I mean today

[turbid goblet]

yo if i did insanes but just followed the writeup the whole time would i learn stuff n is that frowned upon

[severe falcon]

No I think

[severe falcon]

worse exp ngl

[turbid goblet]

word lol

[jagged storm]

If you follow a recipe, you can make food, but that doesn't teach you why you used the ingredients

[sick gate]

i used the curry powder because it tastes good, duh

[scenic maple]

show image

[sick gate]

but the cheesecake is fucked

[turbid goblet]

the official writeups kinda tell u why tho

[sick gate]

start the box, have a go, and see how far you can get, build a list of suspicions and then validate with the writeup, once you get past that bit, do the same with the next step

[jagged storm]

It's not the same. You aren't identifying the why. You aren't understanding the vulnerability.

There are no shortcuts here lol

You either stay a skid, or learn the material

[turbid goblet]

well i still feel like a skid just grinding easys and mediums

ill stick to what im doin for now

[jagged storm]

Grind the academy

[turbid goblet]

i do(ish)

[sick gate]

You'll learn more crushing easy and mediums than you will followng insane tutorials

Insane machines are just funky amalgamations of lesser machines

[turbid goblet]

bet

today ill get caffed up and try to finish 5 boxes

[vestal atlas]

guys im new but i cant really do anything in HTB because i need premuim

that kind of sucks yk

[turbid goblet]

?

[vestal atlas]

it SAID free

im a idiot

[balmy vortex]

active content is free

retired is not

[vestal atlas]

ohhh

[fading cape]

Guys
I am thinking or need something i could be doing to earn some money for survival
What can you suggest me please ?

[balmy vortex]

some starting points are free

some are not as well

[vestal atlas]

ah that sucks

[turbid goblet]

darn free things!

[sick gate]

Job

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-job-application-get-a-job-akira-job-application-gif-8274337411388777231

[proper dragon]

[turbid goblet]

if ur just trying to survive idk if its a great time for cyber lmao

[proper dragon]

this; this applies to any high tier work

[scenic maple]

ippsec writing about ipsec

[turbid goblet]

well cyber job market is especially fucked rn

[sick gate]

Are you learning about networking

[turbid goblet]

unless the job market in general is but idk

[sick gate]

Rule #1: blame the far end

[scenic maple]

yeah

whats the far end

[turbid goblet]

dns

[sick gate]

The other end of the network

Yeah or blame dns

[scenic maple]

[sick gate]

Pick one

[scenic maple]

blame dns it is

[signal mica]

[proper dragon]

whole economy is in shambles

[bronze lion]

blame golam

[scenic maple]

i will do it again

[proper dragon]

it's golam's fault the economy is in such rough shape

[bronze lion]

[turbid goblet]

idk bro i made $1400 last month from stocks goin up

[bronze lion]

which all

[proper dragon]

hey I'm not complaining about my portfolio either but that's pretty outside the average

[turbid goblet]

wdym

[sick gate]

Did you sell them

[bronze lion]

which all stocks

[lean shard]

hwello people

[turbid goblet]

SPY, VOO, QQQ, VXUS, VEA, BND, IJR, VNQ, DBC, SCHD

[bronze lion]

ETF's mostly hm

[proper dragon]

wise

[sick gate]

Mine have been going up $2k a day recently

[turbid goblet]

low risk

[sick gate]

It's nice

[bronze lion]

tru

[turbid goblet]

im too stupid too stay up to date

[bronze lion]

note:- hantavirus gives a good opportunity to investors if it were to get serious. just saying

[proper dragon]

this is just the start

it's going to be the largest wealth transfer ever (so far)

[turbid goblet]

i dont think hanta will

its doesnt spread that fast

[bronze lion]

how much have u invested intotal?

[turbid goblet]

i did hop on the covid investments and got out with 200x

[bronze lion]

ye thts why i said 'if it get serious'

[sick gate]

Technically 0 since they're all RSUs

[bronze lion]

i was literally only wise enough to play rblx and watch pokemon and naruto at tht time

[bronze lion]

nice

[gilded fern]

golam71 the networker

[eternal mango]

Invested just before COVID hit.. got out a couple of years later breaking even because the investment firm were shite

[scenic maple]

0xqn the chatter

[eternal mango]

Monzo on medium has done pretty well through all the turmoil. Wouldn't trust myself to do shares lol

[gilded fern]

First message here this week ✌️🫩

[rancid swallow]

[bronze lion]

was it a good return overall?

[eternal mango]

No, I broke even then escaped the shitty firm

[bronze lion]

[eternal mango]

They were terrible, recommended by the bank of course..

Schroders they were called

[gilded fern]

g0blin invests in hantavirus

[eternal mango]

I invest in your mum

[gilded fern]

40 years old by the way 🫩

[proper dragon]

she's that kind of bank

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-pointing-little-comedian-tuff-gif-1703304339532877246

[eternal mango]

Dish crap get crap

[austere sinew]

that's a pretty big investment... not much potential there as seen by her product....

[austere sinew]

ok and

[scenic maple]

who is cycloth

[austere sinew]

ty for bringing my bio out i love it ❤️

[gilded fern]

Sorry for partyrocking ❤️

[austere sinew]

my boyfriend

[scenic maple]

i see

@.cycloth

hmm i see more now

[austere sinew]

@wooden python

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/mariolord-mariolord14-mario-lord-mario-lord-gif-12993108603153607612

[supple plank]

hi

[scenic maple]

scotland flag must be peak

aktho bad english ngl

[austere sinew]

he's half scottish

[sick gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1413242895544094770/1503830258334568598/3dgifmaker93140.gif

[scenic maple]

no offence

[stone marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/braveheart-freedom-william-wallace-mel-gibson-gif-6817540523430045174

[scenic maple]

is the other half chinese?

[austere sinew]

other half is jewish

[young yoke]

lmao

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-scotland-gif-361157929598667818

[scenic maple]

why do i never get to meet chinese people

where the heck are they

[sick gate]

Ah yeah half Jewish

From the country of

Jew

[stone marsh]

Why you looking for chinese people?

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-infowars-chew-jew-jewish-gif-12295419607760287413

[scenic maple]

cause i want to have friends all over the world

china / japan / south korea is usually my blind spot

can yall stop doing this lol

[stone marsh]

Hey man, no politics

[gilded fern]

Jew = politics?

[austere sinew]

i forgot his specific group that he's from

[sick gate]

Not yet

[scenic maple]

no politics is what u mean by the gif 😩

[austere sinew]

that's not even politics it's just straight up anti semitism

[meager kernel]

hi

[proper dragon]

[meager kernel]

why am i being so tired nowadays

[gilded fern]

anti semitism🤣

[scenic maple]

yeah you could say that tbh

[high cobalt]

Now that you say it, you are right, especially because chine has good Hackers.

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/israel-spirirtually-israeli-star-brilliance-nothing-but-netanyahu-netanyahu-gif-5313104981450327480

[sick gate]

Oh yeah he's half buddhist

[meager kernel]

i slept like 7 hours last night, why am i still tired whole day

[stone marsh]

Anyway, can we talk about how my boss signed us up for the global CTF and then just didn't show up?

[eternal mango]

Oops

[meager kernel]

anti septic

[scenic maple]

he realized that he cant win against you

[gilded fern]

victim card declined

[austere sinew]

it's also an ethnicity

[scenic maple]

lets just move on its nothing crazy

there is a lot of jewish people all over the world

[stone marsh]

At least he would have had enough AI tokens to compete with some of the other teams

[scenic maple]

is his ai bigger than other companies ai?

[rancid swallow]

be like me
sleeps 4-6hrs at max and be productive

[gilded fern]

Golam71 I'm not aggressive as others want you to believe, I'm just here to talk and joke with others, I have nothing personal with anyone

[stone marsh]

No, I just know that he pays big money for his AI usage, while I pay like £20

[sick gate]

Is he Ethiopian Jewish?

[scenic maple]

yea i know all good but many people get offended

[stone marsh]

Even if I wanted to compete with team 55 bloods, we had no chance

[high cobalt]

Whats your secret fuel man?

[scenic maple]

is that why he is the CEO

[meager kernel]

i got 8 hours of sleep few weeks before, i was unstoppable then, had a banger gym session where i got a deadlift PR, played like an esports pro in video games AND completed my subject easily

[austere sinew]

i'm actually not sure if he's comfortable mentioning what type of jew so i just tend to say jewish

given the whole marginalisation thing

[scenic maple]

altho what does he do

tech?

[rancid swallow]

[meager kernel]

there are different types of jewish?

[austere sinew]

he's a hacker

[austere sinew]

yeah

[scenic maple]

he works too ig?

[sick gate]

I just think half Scottish half Jewish is a very funny way to describe someone

[meager kernel]

??

really?

[rancid swallow]

lol ok

[meager kernel]

well today i learned

[stone marsh]

All I am going to say is that his reports suddenly had a lot of em dashes around the time chatgpt started becoming more popular

[rose onyx]

wut about rubbish?

[austere sinew]

he does vulnerability research

[meager kernel]

i see

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[summer urchin]

who we talking bout

[austere sinew]

<@&861185840277487616> can someone deal with 0xqn being antisemitic pls it's getting tiring

[austere sinew]

cyloth

[gilded fern]

antisemitic?

Bro what

[summer urchin]

ahhhhh
cyloth

[austere sinew]

plenty of people identify as jewish, there are ethnic subdivisions as well but it's easier to just say jewish

[gilded fern]

Its like saying I'm half italian and half christian

[sick gate]

Haha ew

[meager kernel]

im half indian and half indian

that makes me full indian

💔

[stone marsh]

But that means you have some great seasoned food at least

[scenic maple]

vro i literally told u not to do it 3 messages ago 😭

[meager kernel]

which is also unhealthy since its filled with carbs and fried in fuck ass amounts of oil

i do have a banger beard tho

[austere sinew]

let's maybe not erase the existence of jewish people, whether they follow judaism or not... i'd like to think we learned from world war 2

[meager kernel]

lets not erase anyone's existence?

[keen elm]

[stone marsh]

Yeah that is true, we had to edit our recipes as we went through them to lower down things like salt, oil etc. One recipe wanted like 5 ladels of mustard oil for a small portion

[austere sinew]

that's a good idea... but right now specifically there's anti semitism in the chat.

[turbid goblet]

Wait can yall erase my existence tho

[keen elm]

where is it

[warped plank]

slow mode til y'all calm down and move away from this topic...

[stone marsh]

And for whatever reason like half of the garam masala that we had

[meager kernel]

oh slowmo 30 SECONDS HOLY FUCK

[keen elm]

just asking cause i just came (damn 30 sec slowmo)

[scenic maple]

man one of these days i gotta make the limit to 5 minutes

[austere sinew]

the jokes about jews with the money thing, the trash vs garbage, victim card, saying they're not a people, etc from 0xqn

[rancid swallow]

[rose onyx]

30s is just a tease, make it longer W1LD

[gilded fern]

This must be a joke...

[rancid swallow]

put ||1 hr||

[scenic maple]

can you just chill man

asking nicely

[rose onyx]

6 hours plz 🫦

[sick gate]

Make it five minutes, erase the existence of general chat

[keen elm]

ah ok, no yeah jews are ofc human beings ❤️ and we must not say that

[stone marsh]

BUT THEN WHERE WILL I YAP???

[eternal mango]

The void always listens

[runic cliff]

nice

[scenic maple]

i know religion and ethnicity might sound weird but if someone doesnt feel good abt it just avoid it

you dont need to engage with that person

[gilded fern]

Can you explain to me what I'm doing wrong? How can you be antisemitic by just sending random images?

[stone marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-inthe-big-blue-house-bear-in-the-big-blue-house-bear-bottomless-pit-falling-gif-13483270605955075561

[warped plank]

that is what the ignore button is for

[sick gate]

I just don't understand describing someone as half Scottish half Jewish, like Ashkenazi? Arab? Ethiopian?

[eternal mango]

Still have avoided blocking anyone since that whoopsie last year 😅

[rose onyx]

You will have to state your case wisely, and thoughtfully. When you press enter matters most.

[scenic maple]

not saying ur banned or anything just saying avoid heated discussions

[meager kernel]

LMAO

[eternal mango]

I'm proud of myself, even if nobody else is.

🎻

[gilded fern]

Don't mention it again or you'll become antisemitic

[high cobalt]

What oopsie? 😂

[eternal mango]

Just me throwing toys out the pram and announcing blocking someone

[austere sinew]

arab jew, but it's just easier to say jewish - and dont even start with your bs 0xqn, you know those gifs were out of line

[stone marsh]

Does that still count if you accidentally mute people?

[eternal mango]

It all got out of hand

[tame gust]

wild

[eternal mango]

🤣 haaahaha, no idea why I had them muted tbh

[stone marsh]

He probably deserved it at the time

[eternal mango]

Must've been audio feedback on a call in the past or something I guess 🤷‍♂️

[keen elm]

where are u from

[tame gust]

if its comes to juice then you're always 100% the problem, otherwise you can do whatever you want

[rancid swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-eat-chips-dorito-doritos-xqc-eat-gif-24431271

[austere sinew]

i'm half english half egyptian

[warped plank]

you server mooted them instead of just client mooting them didn't you?

[eternal mango]

No just muted for myself

Everyone else could hear them, and I was apparently talking over them until I realised

[keen elm]

nice interesting

[gilded fern]

You couldn't have explained it better

[tame gust]

@eternal mango when you gonna stream games here again like you used to do

[scenic maple]

with moderation comes drama
LOTS of it

[warped plank]

yeah that's the issue with muting someone

[sick gate]

Hahhaa rude as hell

[eternal mango]

I could try streaming that game I linked earlier, but not very good at it, only got a few hours in

[austere sinew]

nah, don't start that nonsense. reacting to somebody's existence with rude stereotypes is racism but it seems that you're just another extremist

[meager kernel]

pls do

[eternal mango]

My voice is buggered too, so won't speak

[warped plank]

much easier in text chat when you ignore someone you don't gotta read their messages, until everyone replies to them and you don't have enough context

[rose onyx]

and that is why you're best mod

[eternal mango]

but yeah I could stream some of it if you want

[tame gust]

stream with story times again

[scenic maple]

slayy 💅
i guess that makes me a drama queen

[stone marsh]

Sometimes I say "Man, I miss being a mod on discord" but then stuff like this happens. And I am happy to just walk away and grab a coffee

[rose onyx]

now give me 6 hour slow mode plox

[tame gust]

i might be, i actually hate everyone equally so dont worry about that part

[gilded fern]

judaism is a race?

[scenic maple]

30 seconds is the limit based on hackster

[rose onyx]

hackster is a chump, make pr plox

[eternal mango]

Am in general chit chat, but yeah no mic atm, throat is killing me

[summer urchin]

get better soooooooon

[austere sinew]

oh thank god. it's just that ever since the genocide in palestine everyone's decided to go all ww2 on jewish people and it's an absolute joke. it makes a lot of jewish people who are against the genocide terrified for simply existing

[heady sage]

Golam, bubbla, you could make the slowmode go away

[scenic maple]

i could but this will raise more problems

[rose onyx]

no, i lieks it

[scenic maple]

for the time being its good

back in my days we used to block people and move on but its 2026

[tame gust]

yes yes always the victim, dont worry about that part we get it

[heady sage]

You’re the boss ( well technically g0blin is, but you get it)

[proper dragon]

Jews mentioned --> slowmode

[tame gust]

i feel soo bad now that i'll go get a cold drink, and finish this project.

[stone marsh]

Block and move on is still a sound approach, but maybe slightly difficult when you are representing a fairly large organisation

[proper dragon]

how DO they do it

[gilded fern]

Hey, let's stop arguing. Long live the legitimate state of Israel, long live Judaism. I hope your relationship with your boyfriend lasts forever. ❤️❤️❤️

[scenic maple]

its not that when they are mntioned its more like the statements that come along with it

[warped plank]

any political discussion that doesn't get too heated really...

[obtuse fern]

you'd think so

[warped plank]

anyone crosses a line and we start throwing out mutes and bans

[tame gust]

any way i got eyes only for @scenic maple, and he got some kissable cheecks irl

[scenic maple]

what bro does instead of doing cwes

[austere sinew]

what the fuck is this nonsense lmfao

[austere sinew]

you don't think lines have been crossed already?

[warped plank]

they watching g0b play games instead

[tame gust]

building a portal for client, but i got my storage on two NAS and one's cache is failling right now, its been a hustle.

[tame gust]

i hope you're joking in the two first parts.

[austere sinew]

replace what happened with any other race and it would've been a ban for 0xqn

[scenic maple]

gatekept by hackster

[summer urchin]

bro has the code to hackster

[scenic maple]

its open source

[gilded fern]

I'm using the same strategy as you, but let's really stop it, we're all friends here

[scenic maple]

wise decision

[warped plank]

nothing seems overly offensive, just trolly, if you have a specific grievance you can bring it up with us and explain why it's so offensive, otherwise just seems like semantic discussion over religion vs ethnicity + some troll / ragebait gifs

[stone marsh]

time to get opus out and find some hackster CVE

[tame gust]

we're not all friends here lol, i could count on my fingers the cool people here.

[austere sinew]

"Strategy" i mentioned my boyfriend is jewish and you started using so many rude gifs and expressions

[scenic maple]

would have been nicer if we became friends a few mins earlier

[sick gate]

The conflation of Zionism and being Jewish has confused and angered the simple Italian racist brain.

[heady sage]

Local Scottish man plays rougelike

[austere sinew]

@warped plank this for starters

[obtuse fern]

it always does

[sick gate]

From the country that brought you fascism, we now have this moron

[tame gust]

anyone worked with openZFS and Pacemaker before ?

[gilded fern]

now it starts again...

[obtuse fern]

i've expressed my thoughts on this ages ago, that shitheads love to dig up to try and prove something.

[eternal mango]

You guys didn't even last for one run 🤣

[warped plank]

just a trolly gif, the ignore button exists for a reason.

[eternal mango]

Thanks for sticking it out for 3 whole minutes Vader to see me fail

[austere sinew]

it's racist, not trolly

[eternal mango]

😄

[gilded fern]

A fricking credit card isn't racism pal

[tame gust]

if you're hurt by everything you see online, its better not to stay online.

[jagged storm]

Imagine not using the block feature. Can't relate.

[high cobalt]

Oh, okay, yeah this is ... yikes

[tame gust]

close the damn laptop and your problem is solved. imagine someone online ruining your day.

[warped plank]

please elaborate, I don't see anything specific to the jewish community about it...

[keen elm]

i am Palestinian, born and raised there, and have been personally affected by everything happening, but i still don't hate jews cause there is a big difference between judiasim as a religion and zionism as a political stance

[austere sinew]

this isnt 4chan this is a regular area, i'd expect there to not be the rubbish i'd see as a part of the usual rubbish

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/me-checking-the-groupchat-gif-17505617120126034433

[obtuse fern]

people when nuance exists and genuinely don't understand the difference

[austere sinew]

it's a stereotype, loads of caricatures have jewish people going after money etc

[jagged storm]

You're reaching.

[tame gust]

naaah sometimes you'll see shit you dont like, and its fine so just let it be and move on. if you argue with everyone you'd never finish

[heady sage]

It’s alright mate, I’m kind of having a rough go at it with a game I’m playing

[obtuse fern]

i mean not to mention yesterday someone literally capitalized the word "COIN" in coincidence

[austere sinew]

exactly, yet some people seem to not understand that for some reason

[gilded fern]

You can't be real😭😭😭

[eternal mango]

Keep at it! Only given this an hour so far, it's fun

[summer urchin]

can we all just chill
block, ignore, move on

[sick gate]

Hit him with a stereotype back "I cooka da pizza"

[scenic maple]

been telling this for ages man no one litsens

[fierce vale]

zionism has a lot to do with evangelical christianity too lets not forget

[austere sinew]

i'm not gonna stoop to his level, it's disgusting behaviour

[obtuse fern]

I mean that's one of my main issues with the server; the neutrality of moderation just opens the pit

[tame gust]

@eternal mango do you recommend ZFS with Pacemaker ?. for someone with no money and 2 workstations laying around right now

[sick gate]

He eata da meatball

[gilded fern]

The difference is that I don't get offended by words that are said online, I accept any kind of irony, I don't have a stick in my ass

[warped plank]

message deleted, but since it's a one-off there's really no reason to tack a ban/mute on the dude, even I have em ignored cos they are a known troll.

[fierce vale]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-dance-moves-party-gif-21254682

[sick gate]

No one asked nor cares

[austere sinew]

let me bring up all the others that he used then

[meager kernel]

holy shit man shut the fuck up

[tame gust]

this chat is just getting long for no reason lol, could there be some timeouts ?

[heady sage]

Italians on their way to have their 20th child (their economy will collapse in a few years)

[rose onyx]

make this a pr, logic looks correct to me.

[stone marsh]

The fact that this is surviving slow mode is impressive

[jagged storm]

Moderation? On the HTB discord? Aren't you asking for too much?

[scenic maple]

bro thinks i dont know what this is 😭

[obtuse fern]

moderation doesn't happen anymore /hj

[tame gust]

im still mutted on THM untill this day

[austere sinew]

@warped plank this was another one, when i was pointing out the marginalisation he had some very interesting responses

[heady sage]

I’m banned from there for being a “troublemaker”

[obtuse fern]

the people that gave a shit are long gone

[meager kernel]

@gilded fernthis seems like you

[stone marsh]

Were you being a troublemaker?

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-larp-larp-larp-sahur-sahur-larp-larping-gif-18307483096237429166

[heady sage]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-snoop-dogg-snoop-smile-gif-18363169359568588385

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-fair-prozd-fair-true-yeah-gif-18893383

[proper dragon]

watching internet arguments are my guilty pleasure for sure

[tame gust]

me and kyand where banned for asking there for what ASLR is for, and we kept getting wrong answers until they perma-mute us for correcting them

[scenic maple]

thats actually accurate damm

[obtuse fern]

Vader your existence causes trouble, obviously (i cannot go further into this without turning political, unfortunately)

[heady sage]

Ha! Nice one!

[obtuse fern]

did you see the news™? if not i can dm you the article that talks about it

[heady sage]

I’d like to see it.

[warped plank]

Ok I get your point, I've slapped em with a temporary mute but the Ignore button is right there

[austere sinew]

i'm glad you understood that, thank you ❤️

[frail turtle]

address space layout randomization!

[scenic maple]

slowmode stays tho

[obtuse fern]

Ignoring bigotry doesn't solve the problem, but yk, not my problem anymore

[austere sinew]

i think everyone's over it now that the main offending party's been dealt with

[native plume]

Bro I can't complain on this with slowmode here 🥀

[scenic maple]

it eill eventually be removed dw

[frail turtle]

Address space layout randomizarion is a topic for lower level hacking though, you cant really expect a bug bounty hacker or a pentester to know about it enough.

[scenic maple]

bro is running out of storage and time and still wont give up on mac

[tame gust]

exploitation wise :c

[rose onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/uk-police-officer-screaming-no-noo-gif-3163377484734570206

[warped plank]

The slow mode was added cos the topic wasn't being let go... I know there's a ton of trolls on the internet but it ain't healthy to keep the topic going when you can simply ignore em and stop feeding em, they wanna get a rise out of ya and when you respond they keep going... even they were tryna stop the topic tbh

[stone marsh]

Aight, back to the rust grind. Got to rewrite all of my SQL statements

[tame gust]

Yall need to listen to some lil wayne and chill

[frail turtle]

Defeating ASLR is still a mystery to me. People say oh just add the difference in address and im like I wish it worked that way

[scenic maple]

not using an ORM in 2026?

[heady sage]

Thanks Mr W1ld, you truly are a pro gamer.

[rose onyx]

bruh that's for js

[tame gust]

wait wait wait, sir sir sir, lets brute force 64bit addresses

[austere sinew]

i can ignore / have fun with trolls, but with marginalised groups i tend to not stand for it because you never know who's who and who's lurking, i wouldn't want anyone to come in and feel uncomfortable because of things they can't control or even end up avoiding this space altogether

[scenic maple]

wait fr lmao? orms are language speicific?

[native plume]

There are orms for rust though

[stone marsh]

Technically rust does have some ORM crates I could use. SQLx is just better

[frail turtle]

I spent a good month trying to defeat it, i couldnt do it in 2018. But then again i was dumb too.

[rose onyx]

no but you js hipsters will install anything

[scenic maple]

it would have been the same even if it was any other ethnicity pls trust

[warped plank]

I understand but it's not your job to deescalate (heck you were even escalating) or take a stand, report it, move on. (also helps to be specific cos like this instance we don't immediately see the issue)

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-side-eye-cat-side-eye-orange-cat-staring-gif-4749659952322810298

[austere sinew]

my reaction would have been the same for any other ethnicity too, i just don't stand for it

[tame gust]

if there'snt like a printf() i dunno what to do legit xD

[obtuse fern]

See that's your problem Wolo, you give a shit - the time for giving a shit is long gone

[supple plume]

Why we timing out again?

[scenic maple]

big drama

[high cobalt]

Bc of a troll

[supple plume]

Always

[frail turtle]

I came here to talk about the canvas hack

[obtuse fern]

"BC of trolls" and rule 1. "Don't be a troll"

[warped plank]

I came here cos I saw 2 ICS machines in 1 month

[zenith pine]

cant find the fight, too much text, you guys gotta start a new one

[heady sage]

When?

[tame gust]

i kinda started diving more and more into devOps and NOC, and sometimes do ofsec

[obtuse fern]

your mother

[warped plank]

even have the same icon

[zenith pine]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-dude-chill-dude-im-just-a-chill-dude-just-a-chill-dude-gif-15385961914175037407

[heady sage]

Spy from Team Fortress 2 be like

[frail turtle]

Well. Im just surprised that after more than 10 years of ransomware attacks there still isnt a solution to it at a kernel level

[heady sage]

I hate this meme so much omg

[austere sinew]

is there a better system than the serious rule break then? e.g. ticketing? it would probably have been better to give it like that

[eternal mango]

Damn, thought my twin stick game was getting better, but just turns out there's some light aim assist in this game 🤣

[jagged storm]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-meme-its-an-older-meme-but-it-checks-out-gif-14147822

[zenith pine]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[warped plank]

most mod's DMs are open for rule breaks if you don't wanna do it out in the open

[summer urchin]

I would usually just DM a mod
although a ticket system should probs be created

[sick gate]

I think blocking him would have been the best option tbh

[austere sinew]

it did take some time for them to do it, but i think that was my fault for assuming the stereotypes are common knowledge but after explaining what happened they did punish the person so i'd say i'm happy with the result

[warped plank]

my status is also very accurate cos I only really change it to DND if I'm very busy.

[severe falcon]

Great Job Mr Mod!

[sick gate]

Call fuckwit - block - move on

[rancid swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-eat-chips-dorito-doritos-xqc-eat-gif-24431271

[frail turtle]

But canvas actually paying hackers to get students data back is hilarious i will admit

[scenic maple]

how else do you get data back?

[native plume]

backups 💀

[high cobalt]

What was the Hack?

[sick gate]

If they lost it they should start by looking in places they might have left it

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/bhDEJ.gif

[frail turtle]

Theres tools people make for specific ransomware to decrypt.

[warped plank]

yeah... my lil-bro both hates and loves it, hates cos he can't get required work done, loves cos now he has an excuse and is given a ton more time

[frail turtle]

If one doesnt exist then you have to wait until someone makes one. Or hire someone to make one for you

[rancid swallow]

They still fghting over whatever they were debating upon?

[frail turtle]

If no solution works just accept the data is gone

[warped plank]

or just register a domain that the ransomware some reason checks and decrypt everyone's data

[jagged storm]

You'd still need the keys

[warped plank]

oh yeah... what'd the domain do? stop the spreading?

[jagged storm]

Unless they do a static key, but that's unlikely lol

[warped plank]

I mean... how else they gonna decrypt when you pay... oh... I see

[west venture]

Inshallah

[sick gate]

Wannacry checked to see if it could reach a domain before encrypting to avoid sandbox analysis so people just blocked the domain

Are you maybe thinking of that

[warped plank]

yes

all the ransomware stuff do be blurry

[west venture]

Didn't it check if it could reach a domain and only encrypt if the domain was not alive

[frail turtle]

Backups with snapshots id say are the best solution, not with daily ones but something like hourly

[jagged storm]

I imagine they would reach out to get a dynamic key, too. Like, if you hard code a key, any reverse engineer can get it back

[sick gate]

No, only if the domain was alive

[warped plank]

if it only checked if the domain was alive then how come when the dude registered it did he stop the spread? wouldn't it need to be the other way around?

[sick gate]

Fuck maybe it's all blurry to me

[frail turtle]

Btrfs has a snapshot feature my friend kept using it over and over again because he kept touching files on his install

[sick gate]

Yep, developer killswitch

Apologies for fake news

[stiff hearth]

ewww file toucher!!

[warped plank]

introduce him to nixOS

can't touch the files even if you wanted to cos they're all linked to a single config file that you can modularize and get all those files back...

[scenic maple]

a horrible way to die

[frail turtle]

Maybe i should just shove him to an immutable

[warped plank]

but hey, at least it's in a different consistent configuration language

[frail turtle]

Convince him it's a good idea

Files? Store them on github

[rancid swallow]

[frail turtle]

Im jk ofc

[high cobalt]

Yeah I think it was this way around, too

[worthy cargo]

#magical-tunes message whats' this about? Anyone know? It's not a magical tune.

[frail turtle]

Theres actual you know like

Programming techniques you can use

To avoid a lot of attacks

[zenith pine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-lick-water-silly-gif-10931645115994169518

[high cobalt]

Cat needs a firmware update

[frail turtle]

Like Go for example has ways you can implement backends to avoid CSRF and SQLi attacks

[normal forge]

backend: "I'm not the cybersecurity guy"

[frail turtle]

You can also hire people who are not stupid you know keep your organization small so that your vulnerabilities stay minimal

[high cobalt]

How are there Go specific thing? The techniques for security are basically the same

[stone marsh]

I tried to write a CTF for work once using like Django I think and it actually made it annoying difficult to do the attacks that I wanted, because the common utilities all had protections.

While Laravel just has like a secondary template type that instantly allows for XSS

[frail turtle]

They have libraries and API that....its a lot to explain

My friend did it he can say more about it

Key word is avoid not prevent

[frail turtle]

Yes Django makes it very hard to do a lot of attacks

[stone marsh]

It is more so imo, that a lot of newer programming languages actively implement fixes and prevention techniques at a lower level, while say PHP, just goes YOLO and lets you do LFI, DoS, XSS etc with ease

[normal forge]

what if you get hired then realize you work with a bunch of idiots

[worthy cargo]

I got like 3-4 hours of sleep

[frail turtle]

@molten bobcat can say more about this

[worthy cargo]

That's it

to him, anyone who disagrees with him on anything is an idiot.

So not a good benchmark there of idiocy

[high cobalt]

Sql Iniection is prevented with prepared statements, which as I remember are even mostly implemented in the database if i understand them correctly

[zenith pine]

https://tenor.com/view/free-thinkers-sheep-reaction-warning-warn-gif-18395482025025143754

[lime trout]

This is just life

[stone marsh]

Fyi, I recommend everyone watch the docs/listen to the darknet diaries on this. It was incredibly fucked up how everything went down

[high cobalt]

True PHP is like ... really bad design

[worthy cargo]

Doesn't even have to be prepared statements, just don't blindly accept input without checking it. Don't accept user input directly into queries. That's the key.

[frail turtle]

But nah like what i mean is if a company or organization cares about security you.... wouldnt outsource it all, youd have a team inside that is concious and touches your files. And then have an external entity act as a red team or purple team

[high cobalt]

The problem is developers don't really learn about vulnerabilities enough. For example template injection, if you ask a developer how a template editor could hack your app ... this makes me remember I have to ask a colleague if he considered implementing a sandbox mode in the one app he is working on, oopsie ...

[frail turtle]

I think a system design book i once read talked about it

[sick gate]

If someone tried to SQL inject my app I would simply disarm them

[scenic maple]

just use an orm

[worthy cargo]

ORM bloated.

Use a sane query builder maybe

[stone marsh]

Developers have a lot of blind spots, and it is easy to do. You find a function call or an inbuilt utility that magically makes your code work, you may even try to harden it abit and you just don't notice or think about how an idiot would use your app. And then suddenly your database has dropped the user table because a script kiddie went "jee whiz, wouldn't that be funny?"

[worthy cargo]

ORM deploy slow patterns like active record or data/table gateway and other

But yah, for noobs ORM can be a blessing

[scenic maple]

the question is IF it works does it scale
we first have to get to 20,000 users to start worrying about 20,001 users but thats maybe just my startup hustle mentality

[worthy cargo]

A simple query builder engine is good enough. Generate safe sql queries via your programming langauge.

[frail turtle]

Im not a fan of shortcutting anything. The only thing i would say is using like no more than 1-2 frameworks

[scenic maple]

i am pretty sure most pros use orm

cause they dgaf

[stone marsh]

While here I am trying to optimise my code when likely 50 people at most will visit my website at once

[worthy cargo]

ORM defeats the purpose of relational engines and their features. DBAL comes into play and the ORM treats every engine like it's the same w/o optimizations

[frail turtle]

Then building scalable solutions becomes the next big deal youd need a guy who wont mess up your wire racks

[worthy cargo]

I haven't come across a single ORM that does it right.

[scenic maple]

but again thats if you have that many users to care for it

[frail turtle]

Added stress and more people high on caffeine required

[worthy cargo]

A lot of experienced engineers avoid heavy ORMs for the same reason: abstraction leaks, poor query visibility, and losing control over database-specific features.

[west venture]

DROP TABLE general;

[high cobalt]

The nice thing about ORMs is imp the automatic mapping from tables to objects though. So you don't have to write 1000 SQL queries

For everything

[scenic maple]

yeah it has its drawbacks its just makes things a bit faster

not in terms of speed in terms of dev

its the same as everyone shoving react without needing it

[worthy cargo]

A decent query builder + selective raw SQL is usually the best engineering tradeoff for someone who wants control and performance.

[high cobalt]

Yeah, and I think like a lot. Also ORMs like hibernate still allow to write custom queries so ...

[worthy cargo]

For noobs, ORM is great.

[stone marsh]

This reminds me actually, I asked claude to fill in a file so that I could try a bunch of CSV injection attacks at once. The bitch literally chucked this in there

Claude trying to get me fired

[west venture]

Loll

Did you remember that one time when a person had an SQL injection payload printed out in their license plate and when the OCR of the speed cameras scanned the plate and matched the license number against the database, it dropped the entire table instead

[high cobalt]

Hach developers and security

[worthy cargo]

No schema SQL ORMs are even faster at the tradeoff of control.

Checkout RedBean ORM for PHP for example

[scenic maple]

[worthy cargo]

https://redbeanphp.com/index.php?p=/quick_tour

[dusky jacinth]

building malls is hard 🫩

[eternal mango]

I love Eloquent (ORM used by Laravel), and the Laravel ecosystem as a whole. You've never seen PHP run so fast than when running with Laravels Octane PHP interpreter (instead of php-fpm)

[worthy cargo]

That's the one framework I haven't yet gotten into!

[eternal mango]

Their "serverless" deployment stack is pretty cool too.

[zenith pine]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

[worthy cargo]

I got out of php development years ago and I haven't touched it since

[eternal mango]

It's what we use 🙂

[worthy cargo]

And I didn't need something as heavy as laravel to do some projects I needed

So I use Redbean ORM

[eternal mango]

Whatever gets the job done!

[worthy cargo]

You just php, and it creates the table/schema for you

    $post = R::dispense( 'post' );
    $post->title = 'My holiday';
    $id = R::store( $post );

RedBeanPHP will create a table called post for you in the database and add a column called title, big enough to hold your text.

You never touch sql or db or have to pre create your schema

It auto detects

[eternal mango]

Yup yup, Laravel as a whole have a great history for maintaining, improving and shipping new parts for their ecosystem

[high cobalt]

Ewww, PHP

[worthy cargo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-big-lebowski-jeff-bridges-joel-coen-7BK3ZB7nNf2Jq

[rose onyx]

Then why does HTB grind to a halt every machine release
❤️

[frigid mountain]

what up, cuz?

[worthy cargo]

I got 4 hours of sleep!

So at least that's something

[frigid mountain]

not enough but yeah it's something

I got another 4 hours after we talked last

so maybe 7.5 for the night

[high cobalt]

An ex colleague of mine always said I have stockholm syndrom from PHP every time I said "I kinda like it now" lmao

[frigid mountain]

with a 2 hr break in the middle

[eternal mango]

We don't use Octane as the PHP backend currently AFAIK

We almost did when I was working on a project to ship the platform to k8s, but that fell by the wayside unfortunately

[rose onyx]

should be shrimple to implement? do it now before next release, lets see the powah

[eternal mango]

Might bring it up with the engineering / infra vps to discuss, it'd be interesting to do a performance a/b test

[eternal mango]

I'll just ship it and run

On Friday

🙈

[high cobalt]

Also one thing I don't like about PHP is that it has wayyy worse performance than anything else

[rose onyx]

in all honestly plz some speed/db perf would be lovely on a saturday

[frigid mountain]

anyone know much about phone chargers? Like how do they power things? For example, my phone's original charget block, USB-C will charge at "Super Fast Charging" speed. Where as when I use my 65W laptop charger it only charges at "Fast Speed". I'd think the bigger block from my laptop would charge just as fast but it don't yo?

[eternal mango]

Doesn't HAVE to be though

[high cobalt]

Except python maybe, didn't test

[worthy cargo]

PHP has great performance, better than python

Python is the worst.

[frigid mountain]

ew coding

🤢

[west venture]

I have a massive urge to drop the entire database schema of my workplace

[rose onyx]

bruh this is cyber security discord wtf do you think the root cause is?

[eternal mango]

GPT but you get it

PHP-FPM is the standard, safer way to host PHP/Laravel: each request is handled by a worker with a mostly fresh lifecycle, so it is predictable and easy to operate, but a typical Laravel app may only handle roughly 50–300 requests/sec per server depending on code, database use, and caching. Laravel Octane keeps the Laravel app booted in memory using servers like Swoole, RoadRunner, or FrankenPHP, so it can often deliver 2×–10× higher throughput and noticeably lower latency, sometimes pushing simple Laravel endpoints into the hundreds or thousands of requests/sec range. The tradeoff is that Octane needs more care around memory leaks, shared state, worker restarts, and package compatibility, while PHP-FPM is usually the better default unless you have measured performance pressure.

[frigid mountain]

I suck so much at coding. I only passed my Python class with chatgpt even during my final exam 😂

[eternal mango]

and I've seen this kind of performance boost personally

[worthy cargo]

I use php fpm with nginx.

[rose onyx]

-# inserts language war
have you tried go?

[frigid mountain]

Yes, I understand the value of coding. But that doesn't make me like it anymore. I appreciate Chemical Engineering but I also don't like chemistry.

[eternal mango]

Yeah, love go

[worthy cargo]

the worst is mod-php for Apache

[eternal mango]

Let me just rewrite HTB in go, brb

[worthy cargo]

That's the absolute worst for performance

[rose onyx]

LFG!

[high cobalt]

Every time I benchmark even simple PHP apps, I get like 100req/s at max, without using a DB or something which is blocking

[eternal mango]

Joking aside, years ago we did briefly consider a rewrite away from PHP, but yeah.. that didn't happen

[frigid mountain]

I understand the value of auto mechanics. But I hate working on cars. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate those who do.

[rose onyx]

obviously didnt happen 🙁

[frigid mountain]

IN fact, I value you them more because they have a skill I'm willing to pay for them doing.

[eternal mango]

There's SO much optimization you can do, even just with php-fpm, and obviously with DB queries and appropriate indicies, cache policies, shared views, etc etc etc

If you're truly interested, do check out Octane

If not, then well you're welcome to your opinion 😄

[frosty thistle]

its okay danny i hate coding too

[high cobalt]

Sadly I can't rewrite our legacy PHP app ... again 🤣

[eternal mango]

hahah

Oh man.. one place I worked a while ago.. it was still sitting running PHP5.4 or something

..because updating it was "not an option"

I hope that system is dead by now

[worthy cargo]

I still remember php 3 and php 4

[rose onyx]

-# narrator: its still alive

[worthy cargo]

register globals anyone

😄

[frigid mountain]

My thoughts on capitalism every day

[eternal mango]

Bet the backbone of that place that ran in BASIC is still going too

..because it still works

[rose onyx]

if it aint broke dont fix it

[eternal mango]

We had ONE guy in the company who still coded on that platform