Bro trying to escape the dollar matrix
#general
azure remnant
maiden anvil
if you could only target one bug class this week and it's not XSS what would you target and why
zealous charm
if you could only target one bug class this week and it's not XSS what would you...
PDF generator HTMLi
Easier than XSS and often critical impact
supple plume
Dream ass job
Bro
I'll be you someday
Doing the hacky wacky
And then betting my whole ass in las vegas on the 36 roulette one shot
zealous charm
Doing the hacky wacky
Donβt get employed, bug bounty is way more fun
supple plume
Donβt get employed, bug bounty is way more fun
One month and they still didn't see any of my reports
It feels like shit
And one of them is critical
zealous charm
Queues are full right now due to AI, just keep submitted new bugs
supple plume
Making machines for htb is something I really enjoy too
I want to bring the exotic bugs that you don't find here
But with the quality it deserves
Made by a senior dev 
I wish I could make a prolab all web
I mean I can but they don't have the option to submit that
I wouldn't mind spending months on it
Hear me out htb: hire me and I will work on it 
zealous charm
How long until someone automates machine submission for income 
supple plume
How long until someone automates machine submission for income <:thonk:666272807...
It's happening unsuccessfully
Slop
You can't really automate a machine with quality even with claude maxxed
zealous charm
Guess they forgot to tell claude to βmake no mistakesβ
supple plume
It will produce slop
Unmaintainable monstruous amount of lines of slop
Lots of unintended
worthy cargo
How does one make machines for HTB? What's the method? Is there a guide?
supple plume
How does one make machines for HTB? What's the method? Is there a guide?
They have it in their website
zealous charm
- Make hardened HTB compliant patched box
- Watch CVE feeds (or automate this?)
- Use ansible/terraform to push $hotCVE to box
???
Profit?
supple plume
1. Make hardened HTB compliant patched box
2. Watch CVE feeds (or automate this?...
You can automate part of it yes but a machine with just cves is dogshig
Silentium can be rooted with one curl command
Also you have to keep in mind 2 important factors
1 the machine should be somehow original (no ' or 1=1-- on login)
2 it should be realistic
Means bugs that you could spot in the wild
No passwords on a html comment not stupid shit
Also unintended paths are quite annoying
If you can skip most of the machine what's the point
So it can't be really fully automated
latent oak
A good box has some real-world elements, but I think the most memorable ones have a story of some sort
supple plume
A good box has some real-world elements, but I think the most memorable ones h...
Yeah that makes it cooler
analog perch
eternal mango
A machine that demonstrates a realistic scenario is very much different to a challenge that provides an environment to showcase the risk of a vulnerability in isolation. The ability to construct such a singular focus challenge is certainly possible and already being done in some places, but a truly realistic environment that doesn't just involve a single step takes some creativity
latent oak
Or the CVE only gives you a process⦠but you still need to figure out how or where to use it
eternal mango
(know I'm just butting in, so maybe I've missed some context)
supple plume
That's true
Creativity, a good story, real world bugs, quality
These things can't be fully automated
Hey goblin since youre here, I have a question will we have some day prolabs only web?
eternal mango
While I agree for the most part, I reckon with enough effort and frameworking you could achieve that style of challenge, there's a certain touch that brings the realism that currently isn't matched compared to submissions
eternal mango
Hey goblin since youre here, I have a question will we have some day prolabs onl...
I've no idea to be honest - pro labs tend to lean towards many interconnected systems and services, not a singular focus on one type of attack surface
supple plume
Yeah but I have worked on environments with multiple systems and third party integrations
Some of these were hosted by the same company on different servers
eternal mango
At HTB we did have a project that would generate scenarios automatically by chaining exploit primitives through from their singular focuses through to a full "machine type" image, but this was some number of years ago
While it worked, there was still many limitations, and this was before LLMs became so much of a thing
supple plume
It would be really cool a web prolab
eternal mango
Yeah but I have worked on environments with multiple systems and third party int...
The line between a machine and a pro lab feels like it's captured in the number of targets, something that isn't just a flat network structure, and escalation through privilege abuse on insecure grants of permissions
But that line is becoming thinner and thinner
frigid mountain
But that line is becoming thinner and thinner
thin green line
eternal mango
thin blurple line
frigid mountain
blurple suite
sharp shuttle
pro labs should feel like the real deal, machines should be gimmicks
frigid mountain
you're a gimmick
sharp shuttle
thank you sir
eternal mango
frigid mountain
π
i'm getting ready to head out of my job early today. It's been enough.
I deserve it
rancid snow
A good box has some real-world elements, but I think the most memorable ones h...
Theres so many boxes where clearly the creator had one specific idea they wanted to showcase but then are forced to include a user/root path alongside it just tossed in without much thought that drops a potentially great box to mid and its precisely that lack of story between the two that highlights the issue
latent oak
Yeah
But sometimes itβs hard to stitch things togetherβ¦ Iβve got a nice vuln, but it requires a footholdβ¦
eternal mango
If it's expanding from a single flag to two just because that's the nature of machines, there's a middle ground there for sure
I wonder how the idea of single flag machines would work
eternal mango
I know what challenges are
sharp shuttle
I was going to give you guys some bios vulnerability machines i made, but it seemed like it was stuck between challenge and machine
so technically yes there is missing middle ground
sharp shuttle
Mini pro lab?
Like i think the product line is fine
but perhaps could be expanded
molten bobcat
Hello there friends
latent oak
Iβve got an idea for a labβ¦ but, thatβs a ton more work
molten bobcat
eternal mango
Indeed, was just letting the voices out. The structure fo each content type is pretty strict, but as you said there can be a middle ground where content doesn't land in one or the other comfortably
Just fun to think how we could change to accommodate such content
Hey C1oud π How're things
eternal mango
I miss storms, we don't get enough round here
Loved watching the clouds and lightning rolling in over the channel as a kid
Now we're just wet or hot, or some dribbles of snow π€£
worthy cargo
I love ansible. Just updated all my machines to the latest with one playbook. π
reef vault
guys i have a question cz i dont get it. sometimes when im reading the courses in the modules, at the end there is a pwnbox with no explanation on why its here and there is nothing indicating what to do so i just launch it and i am just in a linux environment. is there something im missing? is there like something to do with it but im just dumb enough to not know?
eternal mango
Those interactive sections have a question you need to answer, using what you have learned
Along with a target to spawn that you work against
eternal mango
Not always
reef vault
im in the Getting Started module
eternal mango
They are there to give you the opportunity to practice what you have learned
reef vault
oh i cant send a screenshot
eternal mango
No need, trust
eternal mango
No you're not dumb
Just understand that the interactive portions are there to help you practice what you have learned, and you rarely will have the answer provided to you in the module / section text
eternal mango
No worries π
turbid goblet
i still consider myself dumb
eternal mango
Samesies
worthy cargo
Tool is ready to be used. https://gitlab.com/Eggzy/webcheck-cli
@eternal mango ^ check it out. Look at the screenshots. Now it looks nice. Added more panels too
random aurora
No need, trust
Goblin how are you
hoary dawn
Playing with mysql and redis today havenβt touched the either of them in years
random aurora
M.
random aurora
you have an idea when the old rank system is getting axed? or just soon.tm
You know that make me sad I didnt continue and I stopped because I need to take some rest
eternal mango
you have an idea when the old rank system is getting axed? or just soon.tm
I'm not sure to be honest, sorry
eternal mango
Goblin how are you
I'm ok thank you, how're you?
obtuse fern
all good i know it's probably not a simple flip switch with some of the backend stuff that needs to happen
eternal mango
Yeah, so much work went in to the new system, and there will be more changes to bring everything else in to alignment
manic anvil
huh the hacked Udmey data got leaked because they didnt pay
eternal mango
rohrow
rancid snow
huh the hacked Udmey data got leaked because they didnt pay
oh no now people might have a chance of finding my singleton password !SEbCUv6c55@li
manic anvil
oh no now people might have a chance of finding my singleton password !SEbCUv6c5...
i mean i am not sure if they leaked the salt or not but the emails and hashes arre out there yeah
rancid snow
my point/joke was that my usage of a password manager pays off here
my data is 100% in there and its also a 100% waste if time for anyone trying to use mine specifically.
Others though, oof
manic anvil
my point/joke was that my usage of a password manager pays off here
the thing thaat annoy me is scammers using those mails lists
eternal mango
Some are saying it's a combination of new and old data to pack out the figures
I know nothing either way
manic anvil
i dont know which mf company leaked my whatsapp number but i kept getting messages from company that want me to watch vidoes for money
eternal mango
Just had a search as I was curious
sharp shuttle
My horcruxes are skin deep
manic anvil
Some are saying it's a combination of new and old data to pack out the figures
funny thing they claim they hacked Zara and 7/11 too but only Udemy name is on the front
rancid snow
Some are saying it's a combination of new and old data to pack out the figures
you can make a fair amount of money just repackaging breach data and rebranding it to sell it as something else
Ive even seen tutorials on it lol
rancid snow
usually though theyre honest about it and just sell it as repacked Netflix/Paypal/whatever logins and dont bother trying to blackmail a company into paying
Reminds me, I need to setup a few more burner identities and join some seedy places again. Its always interesting to just take the pulse of the more criminal side of things
manic anvil
i mean wouldnt blackmailing a company into paying get them moree
rancid snow
$0 if they dont pay lol
manic anvil
$0 if they dont pay lol
after that they can just sell it to others lol
rancid snow
and bring unnecessary attention to you
eternal mango
All publicity is good publicity, and if you were a business being blackmailed by someone to not release data for money.. would you seriously trust them to uphold their end of the deal?
manic anvil
and bring unnecessary attention to you
thats kinda what they want ?
rancid snow
if I was going to be a blackhat in it for the cash Id much rather be user82848 collecting a couple thousand every few weeks on the side than being famous and contending with law enforcement
manic anvil
All publicity is good publicity, and if you were a business being blackmailed by...
didnt a gas company pay once for a ransomware key because that literally caused a disaster in half the country ?
wait let me get the name
obtuse fern
if I was going to be a blackhat in it for the cash Id much rather be user82848 c...
infamy has its price
eternal mango
wait let me get the name
Not denying, I just don't know
worthy cargo
Just updated my Sharkey instance π
manic anvil
Not denying, I just don't know
oh no no lol i just felt like i wrote the thing in a bad way
eternal mango
All good
worthy cargo
It's looking quite foine
rancid snow
Id be more specific with my reasoning but thatd start getting dangerously close to just advising how to commit crime lol
manic anvil
Colonial pipeline in 2021 they payed 75 bitcoin people literally started fighting because there was no gas in the gas stations
rancid snow
thats a much diff situation
manic anvil
their CEO had a trail after i think because he payed
turbid goblet
my favorite blackmail is when im emailed that they will leak which adult videos i watch
manic anvil
their CEO had a trail after i think because he payed
not a trail , congress
turbid goblet
my video album is a piece of art
eternal mango
π€£
rancid snow
my favorite blackmail is when im emailed that they will leak which adult videos ...
I get customers that fall for that from time to time
Convincing them that the email is lying is always an entertaining exchange
worthy cargo
Things aren't too clear, and the more I see, things disappear momentarily.
manic anvil
Things aren't too clear, and the more I see, things disappear momentarily.
the website?
worthy cargo
No it's a Meat Beat Menifesto song
eternal mango
Stop blinking too much
eternal mango
worthy cargo
Fucking love this song
manic anvil
No it's a Meat Beat Menifesto song
what a name
rancid snow
thought it was related to your gram dosage comment earlier
turbid goblet
eggzy what website can i use for my scanning tool
rancid snow
was gunna tell you to lie down lmao
turbid goblet
like aggressively is there any website that let me do that
worthy cargo
eggzy what website can i use for my scanning tool
What kind of scan?
rancid snow
what kind of scan
turbid goblet
active osint
rancid snow
osint by definition is open, do it on anybody
worthy cargo
https://gitlab.com/Eggzy/webcheck-cli Have you seen my web OSINT thing? It's a CLI version of Webcheck
turbid goblet
yeah i made one too but how have u been testing it
manic anvil
eggzy what website can i use for my scanning tool
you mean to try it on someone ?
turbid goblet
ah mine will also brute force subdomains and directories i thiought thats a nono
eternal mango
So banned
worthy cargo
ah mine will also brute force subdomains and directories i thiought thats a nono
There is a better way to get subdomain info without burting
Check my script to see how I do it
eternal mango
There is a better way to get subdomain info without burting
Certificate transparency records
eternal mango
There are a few alternatives
worthy cargo
# βββ Subdomains βββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββ
def fetch_subdomains(domain: str):
"""Enumerate subdomains using the SSLMate API (free tier)."""
# Use SSLMate's public API - no API key required for basic usage
url = f"https://api.certspotter.com/v1/issuances?domain={domain}&include_subdomains=true&expand=dns_names"
try:
response = requests.get(url, timeout=15)
if response.status_code == 200:
data = response.json()
subdomains = set()
for issuance in data:
dns_names = issuance.get('dns_names', [])
for name in dns_names:
# Filter to only include subdomains of the target domain
if name.endswith(f".{domain}") or name == domain:
subdomains.add(name.lower())
return sorted(subdomains)
else:
console.print(f"[yellow]SSLMate API returned status code {response.status_code}[/yellow]")
return []
except Exception as e:
console.print(f"[red]Error with SSLMate API: {e}[/red]")
return []
or you could monitor the records yourself from the authoritive sources
eternal mango
but that'd need a service for storage and query ofc
worthy cargo
flint copper
massive
worthy cargo
You don't have to bruteforce
eternal mango
Yeah crt.sh has kept on being hammered so much more and more over the months
There are a few others with as much of an open API / limit
worthy cargo
The only API one has to sign up for to use my cli tool is google PageSpeed API key for free
Otherwise you don't get pagespeed score, but if you don't care about that, it gets all the other info in a single shot
It's a cli version of webcheck
turbid goblet
scanme.nmap.org u can scan
worthy cargo
https://zsnes.com/ Bro!
The two original developers of ZSNES are finally back together! Introducing SUPER ZSNES! Re-written completely from scratch, this GPU-powered SNES emulator is here to bring you the following: some of what is familiar, some of what's new, and then some of what goes beyond.
latent oak
Whatcha building?
worthy cargo
Whatcha building?
Who?
latent oak
You?
worthy cargo
Oh
latent oak
Nifty!
Iβll open-source my thing soon
Iβm still debugging and rewriting
Figured out some things in the last few days
manic anvil
https://gitlab.com/Eggzy/webcheck-cli
heey this thing iss cool , i like the colors
worthy cargo
heey this thing iss cool , i like the colors
Thanks
I'm not sure how it will render on your end.
I think it just uses whatever colors the terminal uses
manic anvil
i will use it when i finish some portswigger labs to start a real bounty hunting lol i am not sure if i am skilled enough to start hunting
like when you can really be sure you are ready for it ?
broken flame
you can start quickly but do more later.... is what i've learned from programming
brazen wind
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gilded lotus
I finally got blood hound working, I'm stuck at outbound control. I could really use a hint.
west lynxBOT
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latent oak
Heh
dusky jacinth
Is it /identify?
latent oak
jagged storm
terse dirge
Damn, total war doesn't taste as bad as I remember
dusky jacinth
dusky jacinth
Damn, total war doesn't taste as bad as I remember
Itβs worse
Iβm excited for total war 40K
terse dirge
Itβs worse
Nah it's pretty good I like it. It used to taste like a mouthful of pepper and flavoring
This time it actually tastes like strawberry and kiwi
sturdy thistle
What is it for
terse dirge
What is it for
Gym
turbid goblet
kek
turbid goblet
u should try bum
sturdy thistle
Itβs 2 am
terse dirge
u should try bum
I've heard it's a bit underwhelming
sturdy thistle
Playing with local ai
turbid goblet
I've heard it's a bit underwhelming
less stimulating more 'healthy'
latent oak
Oh, I thought it was a game
dusky jacinth
Nah it's pretty good I like it. It used to taste like a mouthful of pepper and f...
It still kinda tastes like that
For me atleast
turbid goblet
ig just less unhealthier is the better description
terse dirge
I've tried some very powerful ones in the past lol, not jack3d but the one called wrecked with N,N-Dimethylphenethylamine and some root extract that was like 1 micro gram
turbid goblet
jack3d i wanna try for the meme lmao
terse dirge
I felt insane but threw it all out because it was bad
terse dirge
jack3d i wanna try for the meme lmao
Don't it has banned substances in it and literal amphetamines
turbid goblet
aint that the fun of it
turbid goblet
mike mentzer style
terse dirge
I used to throw up from pre workouts at a point I think cause of the caffeine, I probably just couldn't stomach it anymore
I was consuming 250+mg of caffeine in a few minutes before going to the gym π
turbid goblet
yeah at my peak a was taking a full gram
turbid goblet
but then i started getting heart palpatations
terse dirge
And my diet was full of super oily and fatty foods like peanuts, I was eating over 60 grams of peanuts a day and eating stuff like thousand island dressing on fries and burgers
dusky jacinth
Bruh
tired quarry
https://github.com/Lissy93/web-check
Amazing - love it
worthy cargo
Amazing - love it
Checkout my CLI version of it: https://gitlab.com/Eggzy/webcheck-cli
sick gate
Surely jack3d would all be incredibly expired by now
Or do they still make it? Surely not
random aurora
sniff about what 
dusky jacinth
Red
random aurora
sniffing red what red ?
cursive smelt
@worthy cargo I was checking out your webcheck-cli repo; which terminal emulator are you using in that first picture?
worthy cargo
<@945129480010219552> I was checking out your webcheck-cli repo; which terminal ...
Konsole in KDE
worthy cargo
cursive smelt
Ooh, thank!
worthy cargo
Looks like I have no idea which theme is being used.
It just says i18N Empty Message
I'll call it Eggzy!
cursive smelt
I'll call it Eggzy!
sounds good to me π
west venture
Kernel?
west venture
Linux kernel with the busybox shell on top
fierce pond
hi
rancid totem
Linux kernel with the busybox shell on top
yeah whatever
fierce pond
Im new to HTB academy
terse dirge
10/10 would recommend, good pump and energy
terse dirge
Sadly I didn't get a stroke or heart attack from 200mg of caffeine
fierce pond
i need a mentor
west lynxBOT
Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible
dusky jacinth
Sadly I didn't get a stroke or heart attack from 200mg of caffeine
π
terse dirge
Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-...
@fierce pond
fierce pond
thanks
terse dirge
π
I'm excited to eat some quesadillas and pickled onions for dinner
I should find a way to fit more carbs into my diet tho
dusky jacinth
Iβm having veil Parmesan
dusky jacinth
I should find a way to fit more carbs into my diet tho
100%
Whatβd you hit today
P
P
Or L
terse dirge
Whatβd you hit today
Chest day, tomorrow is leg day sadly
random aurora
0xfun you was 1st in the ctfs?
dusky jacinth
Bruh all these 0x* hackers amirite?
kind tiger
i need a mentor
it seems like luxury heh
fierce pond
i got chest and tricep tomorrow
random aurora
i need a mentor
You dont need mentor you can find your path by your self
sharp shuttle
thats ego lifting bro is getting no gains
random aurora
Man I need to go my life is go darkness
fierce pond
it seems like luxury heh
after process of elimination from all other fields i got down to compsci
and in compsci i got to cybersecurity
so
dusky jacinth
School is fake
west venture
Brath shut up
sharp shuttle
nope, i wont shut up about people wasting their time in college
dusky jacinth
Control your thoughts
fierce pond
i just started diving in it like 10 minutes ago
dusky jacinth
And itβs more expensive then most will ever be able to afford to pay off
fierce pond
dont chase me away already
dusky jacinth
Okay some of that I am just schizo posting about
sharp shuttle
nobody is chasing you away
dusky jacinth
But it is a waste of time
worthy cargo
College isn't a waste of time
dusky jacinth
Building, doing, any practicality is more beneficial for your experience
west venture
It is not a waste of time learn cyber security you will get a job
dusky jacinth
I think school is only good for networking
There isnβt anything you canβt teach yourself
sharp shuttle
college is a great way to have forever debt
west venture
Yeah school and college is a waste of time
fierce pond
And itβs more expensive then most will ever be able to afford to pay off
issok ill finesse the system
dusky jacinth
Youβre the only one in your way
dusky jacinth
issok ill finesse the system
Shoot, you better
kind tiger
I think school is only good for networking
if you dont come across a class that ends up not being interested in it at all
west venture
When does the new season start in seasons?
fierce pond
There isnβt anything you canβt teach yourself
well thats the thing it will take forever to teach yourself something
dusky jacinth
Iβm not saying learning is a waste of time. Just needing it to be on a class room is
Having to pay for it is
dusky jacinth
well thats the thing it will take forever to teach yourself something
Not true
I learned way faster than a school could teach me
fierce pond
but if you have someone to already teach you existing knowledge then it gets faster to learn
west venture
well thats the thing it will take forever to teach yourself something
If you're not ready to teach yourself shit, this feild is not for you
dusky jacinth
Iβm not restricted to a curriculum
fierce pond
Shoot, you better
hehe
west venture
Also professors are dumb asf they teach in the shittiest way possible
halcyon viper
School won't teach you the same way experience will, but you'll make more $ then people with that experience already in the field that don't have the paper
fierce pond
I learned way faster than a school could teach me
i mean yeah but imagine having a mentor
having one on one lessons
dusky jacinth
You can have one when you get a job
sharp shuttle
School won't teach you the same way experience will, but you'll make more $ then...
do you work in the field lol
dusky jacinth
You need to earn your mentor
fierce pond
school is more like carrying everyone in the class so they take it slow
halcyon viper
do you work in the field lol
Yes.
random aurora
I dont know
fierce pond
You need to earn your mentor
how do i do that
sharp shuttle
nobody with a degree is making more than a dude with no degree
raven rain
the bachelors comes in handy for the jobs that require it
sharp shuttle
unless maybe GRC
west venture
nobody with a degree is making more than a dude with no degree
I have a degree and no job
random aurora
Degree is your weapon
sharp shuttle
but GRC is for people who cant hack
fierce pond
Also professors are dumb asf they teach in the shittiest way possible
true LMAOO
dusky jacinth
how do i do that
Be capable of getting a job in what you want to do
fierce pond
Be capable of getting a job in what you want to do
BROOO IDK WHAT I WANNA DO
random aurora
Degree is your weapon
Without weapon you cant live
dusky jacinth
BROOO IDK WHAT I WANNA DO
Just pick something and if you change your mind then switch
kind tiger
If you're not ready to teach yourself shit, this feild is not for you
true, but I think some mentor can help set priorities or something like this
dusky jacinth
No oneβs stopping you
halcyon viper
nobody with a degree is making more than a dude with no degree
A person with SANS GSEC in the same position as someone who has Sec+ only, SANS GSEC guy 100% is making more than you
fierce pond
so i just went with cybersecurity after considering all other fields
sharp shuttle
A person with SANS GSEC in the same position as someone who has Sec+ only, SANS ...
I dont consider blue team jobs real
unpopular opinion i know
random aurora
You either die a hero or stay live to be villain
dusky jacinth
I dont consider blue team jobs real
QOTD
Can we get that framed please
Thanks mods
west venture
but GRC is for people who cant hack
I might actually do GRC because I can't find a job it's getting ridiculous now. That or I extort money with ransomware. Has to be either/or
sharp shuttle
If you are not in red or research you are just working a white collar daycare job
dusky jacinth
I mean
fierce pond
true, but I think some mentor can help set priorities or something like this
a mentor paves the path you need to follow so you learn more efficiently rather than facing unnessessary time consuming stuff
dusky jacinth
Yeah I guess thatβs true
fierce pond
whats GRC
dusky jacinth
Regulation and compliance
sharp shuttle
GRC is when you make policies nobody will ever follow
dusky jacinth
Governance too
fierce pond
oh
raven rain
A person with SANS GSEC in the same position as someone who has Sec+ only, SANS ...
GSEC is a cert, not a degree
dusky jacinth
I just hack sometimes
west venture
How do I learn GRC?
halcyon viper
GSEC is a cert, not a degree
Sec+ is also a cert, point?
sharp shuttle
Andromeda is likely a government guy
raven rain
why would you respond with an example describing cert holders when brath was talking about having college degrees
raven rain
so you're a boblox hacker
dusky jacinth
Bro do hack the box and come back when you have questions pertaining to that (I promise you will)
Then youβll learn stuff and maybe pursue a cert
And youβll be hunky dory
fierce pond
so you're a boblox hacker
i wouldnt call myself that cuz it all went over my head
fierce pond
Bro do hack the box and come back when you have questions pertaining to that (I ...
ok ok
dusky jacinth
Or just say something goofy
sharp shuttle
just pay the HTB gym membership you wont use and move on?
dusky jacinth
You can do that too
sharp shuttle
kinda feel like thats all i want to say to people anymore
dusky jacinth
just pay the HTB gym membership you wont use and move on?
Mhmhmhmhmhm
raven rain
i wouldnt call myself that cuz it all went over my head
i'm moreso confirming that you violated boblox ToS
dusky jacinth
I didnβt pay for mine π
fierce pond
today is my day 1 of leanring cybersecurity
dusky jacinth
Leanring
sharp shuttle
and what did you learn
fierce pond
i'm moreso confirming that you violated boblox ToS
i dont even remember that was like uhhhhhhhhh yearssssss ago when someone showed it to me
dusky jacinth
Hey pro advice for you
fierce pond
and what did you learn
what a module and section and tiets
dusky jacinth
Stop digging the hole
fierce pond
oh ok
atomic galleon
i want to consult about wanderer
raven rain
i dont even remember that was like uhhhhhhhhh yearssssss ago when someone showed...
if you can understand that what you did was wrong and you should not do it again, then you won't have any issues being here
atomic galleon
anyone up for it?
sharp shuttle
wanderer? i barely know her
atomic galleon
i missed every visitor leaves footprints and the wasteland is full of detours
terse dirge
well thats the thing it will take forever to teach yourself something
Well yeah because this shit is hard lmao
@fierce pond I highly recommend finding a specialization and sticking with it in cyber
Like focus on 3 things to get really good at and stick with them
fierce pond
i mean i just started so i dont know anything
a friend of mine whos already taken classes in this told me that there is a red and a blue team
and im still stuck with what to choose
terse dirge
It's a little more than "red and blue team" imo
fierce pond
have you chosen any path yet?
terse dirge
Yeah I'm doing windows red teaming and a bit of mal dev
raven rain
if he tells you about kubernetes, don't listen it's a trap
fierce pond
whats kubernetes?
terse dirge
if he tells you about kubernetes, don't listen it's a trap
I'm staying away from that shit, it doesn't make sense anymore to me lmao
static pasture
whats kubernetes?
Just cubes that are netted together
terse dirge
There's too many moving parts in kubernetes
fierce pond
whyyyyyyy does studying feel sooooo borninggggg
static pasture
@fierce pond my previous message is a joke and hopefully that's clear
Gotta gamify your studying
fierce pond
<@1178142002227970049> my previous message is a joke and hopefully that's clear
i took your word for it π
fierce pond
Gotta gamify your studying
thats why i made a htb account
terse dirge
whyyyyyyy does studying feel sooooo borninggggg
I recommend finding projects if you're bored tbh.
fierce pond
I recommend finding projects if you're bored tbh.
bro i barely know the alphabets to cybersecurity
terse dirge
Like learn a programming language by making projects using it
static pasture
Projects you are also interested in makes things fun/interesting
fierce pond
ohhh i know like 50% of python
i met a guy in person and he has a PhD in compsci
i got his number
muted olive
whats kubernetes?
you put apps into containers, and then deploy and manage them
thats kubernetes
fierce pond
he said hell help me as a mentor
but idk how that will go
i met him like last year
crimson smelt
good evening demons
fierce pond
you put apps into containers, and then deploy and manage them
uhhhhhhhhhhh
terse dirge
he said hell help me as a mentor
compsci isn't cyber tho
terse dirge
learn on your own as much as possible man it'll teach you how to be self sustainable in cyber
fierce pond
im tryingg
im dragging it tho
thats why i thought i needed someone over me who checks if im studying or not
terse dirge
bruh, cyber isn't for everyone if it bores you then maybe find a new career choice?
muted olive
worthy cargo
@static pasture Did you check out the tool? webcheck-cli
fierce pond
bruh, cyber isn't for everyone if it bores you then maybe find a new career choi...
bro like out of all the career choices cybersecurity was the one field that made me wanna even set foot in
terse dirge
bro like out of all the career choices cybersecurity was the one field that made...
why?
fierce pond
idk if im just lazy or just wanna live through life faster
i did find 1 thing pretty fun
forging swords and armors
but i was born a bit too late for that
static pasture
<@96269737343844352> Did you check out the tool? webcheck-cli
Not yet
muted olive
bro like out of all the career choices cybersecurity was the one field that made...
and yet you find studying boring?
seems contradictory
terse dirge
but i was born a bit too late for that
welding isn't a bad trade tbh
it's just hard on your health if you don't have the proper equipment for protection
fierce pond
and yet you find studying boring?
i was stuck for two years so just fear of being too late got me up and going
fierce pond
welding isn't a bad trade tbh
ye but i dont wanna work on random metal parts
terse dirge
in cyber security everyone is already late imo.
unless you're the one that found it first
fierce pond
in cyber security everyone is already late imo.
i mean like for my degree
terse dirge
cyber degrees aren't worth it if you're able to avoid them
fierce pond
cuz all my other friends will bet their bachelors in like 2 more years
muted olive
go to community college
fierce pond
while for me its gonna take 4 years from now cuz ive been too late
fierce pond
go to community college
i do
muted olive
then you'll get your degree in 2 years, right?
fierce pond
and also stuff related to life kinda held me bacl
fierce pond
then you'll get your degree in 2 years, right?
thats for associates
ill have to transfer to a uni and study 2 more years
it might take me longer cuz i work 2 jobs
so ill have to stay a parttime student
terse dirge
cyber degrees and formal education with cyber isn't the best. Having the resources handed to you is the biggest weakness I think and not having up to date resources or a trashy book that's on reverting windows 10 servers back to 7 
sharp shuttle
im just going to blanket state this and never touch the subject again: if you are considering college in 2026 for cybersecurity you are simply being hacked rather than being a hacker
terse dirge
what do i do then?
find projects you want to do and do them
muted olive
or go to college, get into IT first, then get into cybersecurity
dont become that four step climbing at once meme guy
terse dirge
or go to college, get into IT first, then get into cybersecurity
this too is a good pathway
sharp shuttle
in three years we wont just have virtual CISO's, we will have full blown virtual CEO's
toxic rock
im just going to blanket state this and never touch the subject again: if you ar...
yea so what he do then i think the degree matter bro
terse dirge
im just going to blanket state this and never touch the subject again: if you ar...
I agree fully on this too lol. As someone who worked in cyber outreach for a college it's heavily marketed as "come here and get a degree then you get 100k a year"
fierce pond
are you saying that so i discover more stuff in this field and find my match?
muted olive
I agree fully on this too lol. As someone who worked in cyber outreach for a col...
100k a year in this economy?
at this time I think scientific research people are truly enjoying themselves
with AI
sharp shuttle
yea so what he do then i think the degree matter bro
drop out or dont, im done stating my opinion (right). college is for laying pipe, finding a wife, or working for a rich kids parents. you dont just get a degree and just get a job almost ever
fierce pond
drop out or dont, im done stating my opinion (right). college is for laying pipe...
true dat
toxic rock
drop out or dont, im done stating my opinion (right). college is for laying pipe...
yea then what can he do ? what do u recomand?
sharp shuttle
yea then what can he do ? what do u recomand?
be a hacker
the art is lost on your generation
i swear
muted olive
drop out or dont, im done stating my opinion (right). college is for laying pipe...
excusez moi youre not considering my position as a mcdonalds cashier gotten after a degree
toxic rock
be a hacker
u cant sign to a cybersecurity job unleess u have a degree u cant go to then and say "hello ik about cyber security" u need approval
sharp shuttle
excusez moi youre not considering my position as a mcdonalds cashier gotten afte...
the inevitability of this statement is lost on most
sharp shuttle
u cant sign to a cybersecurity job unleess u have a degree u cant go to then and...
try lying
imagine social engineering
toxic rock
the art is lost on your generation
bro how old are u to say "my generation"
fierce pond
wait
sharp shuttle
bro how old are u to say "my generation"
im 31
muted olive
u cant sign to a cybersecurity job unleess u have a degree u cant go to then and...
a degree is just a piece of paper with no real value other than a basic HR filter
sharp shuttle
and your generation, doesnt get it
muted olive
no hes actually 67
sharp shuttle
and its not even your fault
toxic rock
a degree is just a piece of paper with no real value other than a basic HR filte...
ik bro didint say the opposite but still u need that piece of paper
fierce pond
what if i go to another country with this degree
sharp shuttle
says who
fierce pond
π
sharp shuttle
i dont have the paper
sharp shuttle
most people i work with dont have the paper
the people with the paper are idiots
almost without fail
muted olive
I guess it depends on where you are
toxic rock
i dont have the paper
do u make money i mean like enough to satisfy u ??
sharp shuttle
i do and i support employees
terse dirge
the people with the paper are idiots
most of those people are also in it for the money which is why they fail
sharp shuttle
most of those people are also in it for the money which is why they fail
absolutely
fierce pond
bro as long as my paycheck in a month is $5k im chill
muted olive
most of those people are also in it for the money which is why they fail
i learnt what IAM is today, 7 figure job when
sharp shuttle
and why do you deserve 5k/m
sharp shuttle
i can respect that
terse dirge
i learnt what IAM is today, 7 figure job when
when you complete these never up to date courses on tech that was relevant 5+ years ago like windows 10 π₯
and windows 7
muted olive
is your goal just to get that amount or to pursue this field?
because you can be a police officer and get $5k/mo
toxic rock
i do and i support employees
is the money comes from ur cybersecurity job or another thing?
it depends
fierce pond
with 2 jobs and uber eats i can reach like uhhhhhh a little less than $4k
sharp shuttle
is the money comes from ur cybersecurity job or another thing?
i have a passion for this industry and the money follows suit because im an expert at what i do
i did not pursue the money first
fierce pond
but i get like 5 hours of sleep and no social life
muted olive
when you complete these never up to date courses on tech that was relevant 5+ ye...
books about them that are gathering dust π₯ π₯
fierce pond
is your goal just to get that amount or to pursue this field?
make enough money to live in this field
terse dirge
books about them that are gathering dust π₯ π₯
they're actually on stone and you need a chisel to take notes
toxic rock
i did not pursue the money first
if i was learning cybersecurity for just money i wont be here talking to u in htb
muted olive
make enough money to live in this field
if you got a job in this field which is paying lower than you expected, what would you do?
sharp shuttle
if i was learning cybersecurity for just money i wont be here talking to u in ht...
then why are you learning cybersecurity
muted olive
they're actually on stone and you need a chisel to take notes
why a chisel? why not a ligolo
fierce pond
if you got a job in this field which is paying lower than you expected, what wou...
pursue higher education and apply to different jobs
sharp shuttle
pursue higher education and apply to different jobs
your teachers in "higher education" have never worked a day in their fucking life in the industry
fierce pond
π
sharp shuttle
did you consider that?
meager kernel
fierce pond
your teachers in "higher education" have never worked a day in their fucking lif...
oh
sharp shuttle
its like letting a youtuber sell you a course
fierce pond
i uhhhh
toxic rock
then why are you learning cybersecurity
its a obbsesion bro i dont mind spending 5 hours on a lab or spending the night on a hackathon its more of a fun not just a job another day
sharp shuttle
its a obbsesion bro i dont mind spending 5 hours on a lab or spending the night ...
if this was a job interview how would you back this up?
sharp shuttle
ill move to a different country so i can make enough to live
please stay where you are, immigration is ruining the world. build up your own country
toxic rock
if this was a job interview how would you back this up?
thats the isue bro u need ctfs and a degree
terse dirge
your teachers in "higher education" have never worked a day in their fucking lif...
I have a few teachers that have industry experience and they're really damn good lol but the people at the top telling instructors how to do their courses don't have any industry experience or very very little
sharp shuttle
sell me this pen
heres some paper, can you write your phone number on it please
fierce pond
please stay where you are, immigration is ruining the world. build up your own c...
bro america dont need me
sharp shuttle
thats the isue bro u need ctfs and a degree
if you think this way you drank the koolaid
fierce pond
heres some paper, can you write your phone number on it please
oh i dont have a pen
sharp shuttle
oh i dont have a pen
well do i have a deal for you
terse dirge
ill move to a different country so i can make enough to live
lots of companies outsource for IT work like help desk or other type of support roles
toxic rock
if you think this way you drank the koolaid
okay how did u find job then? u must have one of them
sharp shuttle
okay how did u find job then? u must have one of them
i lied
fierce pond
NAHH
muted olive
please stay where you are, immigration is ruining the world. build up your own c...
harder to immigrate now anyway
fierce pond
lots of companies outsource for IT work like help desk or other type of support ...
indiaaaa
toxic rock
now we are here
i will try that
sharp shuttle
i encourage you to
its not illegal
and nobody is going to fucking blackball you
that doesnt happen anymore
muted olive
whats a blackball
fierce pond
waitttttttttt
toxic rock
whats a blackball
idk either
sharp shuttle
its like when someone says "youll never work in hollywood ever again"
because they tell their friends not to hire you
fierce pond
WHAT IF WE MAKE A PRODUCT USING OUR CYBERSECURITY SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE AND SELL ITTTT
million dollar idea
im good at sales
1 year experience
sharp shuttle
ah yes one of the 9000000000000000000 products for cybersecurity
only of which 0.0000001% produce value
sharp shuttle
thats called an electric company
fierce pond
dont listen to me im just really sad cuz i just joined in today and my hopes are being crushed
sharp shuttle
you will look back and be happy a bunch of unemployed losers didnt get your hopes up
fierce pond
yeah i was gonna say i needed that
sharp shuttle
imagine getting your degree and then wondering why the nice folks in HTB who said youd have a job 100% were wrong
fierce pond
but dw we'll all find a job someday
sharp shuttle
thats the american standard
fierce pond
dw i aint paying a single penny
sharp shuttle
ah yes the wage garnishment commences
fierce pond
just gotta stack up financial aid and scholarships
fierce pond
BRO YOURE MAKING ME WANT TO JUST STOP HTB
crimson smelt
thats the isue bro u need ctfs and a degree
hard disagree. If you are in the top .01% of whatever it is you are doing you could have dropped out of elementary school and you would still get hired
sharp shuttle
You want to make it? drop out and do the platform, use AI, make projects, make friends, be an expert
muted olive
clearly you havent met brath before
sharp shuttle
dont get a fucking degree
crimson smelt
of course most people are not in the top .01% of anything so they need to be able to prove to a prospective employer they aren't so stupid they can walk without falling down π
fierce pond
but honestly i just did htb cuz my friend told me it gets easier to understand what goes on in class
muted olive
dont get a fucking degree
a degree doesnt hurt if youre doing everything else too
sharp shuttle
it does
look up hiring meta right now
people with degrees are being passed over
they think recent graduates are incompitent
muted olive
I dont want to work for any faang companies where i get in and get laid off next quarter
fierce pond
brother we gotta go to dubai and get a job there
muted olive
smaller to medium sized is the way to go
sharp shuttle
so now you have to lie about having a degree from 2018
fierce pond
oil money for all!!
crimson smelt
they have always thought recent graduates are incomptent because they mostly are
sharp shuttle
they are
crimson smelt
and always have been
requires a lot of on the job training no matter how long you were in school for
sharp shuttle
recent grads since 2012 cant do fucking anything
toxic rock
hard disagree. If you are in the top .01% of whatever it is you are doing you co...
ik bro but the 0.1% part seems a lil bit hard
fierce pond
oh shiet
sharp shuttle
yes, you are getting it
you can engineer serendipity
thats hacking
try being a hacker
crimson smelt
I've met some incredibly stupid people with 4 year degrees
people that are so dumb they can't walk without falling down
fierce pond
I've met some incredibly stupid people with 4 year degrees
me tooo
a friend of mine has a bachelors in sports management and he trusted someone with 11k to invest and make profit
crimson smelt
I suspect AI will simply pump out even bigger idiots who went through passing everything under the radar without knowing any of it
fierce pond
that kid lost it all and tried to run away π
toxic rock
people that are so dumb they can't walk without falling down
ik there are stupid people with degrees
sharp shuttle
the moment they cant google or chatgpt they crumble
sharp shuttle
yeah you also see how they fare in a situation like that
i cant work with people who cant camp
fierce pond
but its true how everyone is relying on ai rather than using logic
sharp shuttle
the pineal gland is growing the frontal lobe is shrinking
fierce pond
frr
but anywasy\
anyways
i gotta go back to being delulu so i can start focusing on learning cyber
fierce pond
also i finished the first module in htb
sharp shuttle
keep the momentum going
sick gate
If you think someone's an expert because they can camp I'll just point at the army
fierce pond
if you arent here in two weeks i will know you failed
oh a challenge?
sharp shuttle
No, it was moreso how people fare at camp fire banter
fierce pond
hope you prove me wrong
just watch me
sharp shuttle
oh a challenge?
yeah
fierce pond
cya on may 4th
sick gate
takes up braths challenge
accidentally get stuck talking to a punisher all weekend
fierce pond
π
sharp shuttle
you are getting 15 years for "terroristic threats" no matter what son
rancid swallow
sick gate
west venture
Cyber Security Is cooked
sharp shuttle
rest in peace
fierce pond
i tried making a game on boblox
sharp shuttle
how old are you man...
fierce pond
it was supposed to be related to vinland saga
sharp shuttle
stop playing the pdf game
fierce pond
how old are you man...
20
fierce pond
stop playing the pdf game
im notttt
sharp shuttle
lord almighty
fierce pond
my friend is a gamedev
sharp shuttle
may you smite the wicked
fierce pond
he makes money
turbid goblet
im playing minecraft horror mof am so scared
fierce pond
and i asked him to teach me
fierce pond
he said it took him 6 years to get it and monetize it
sharp shuttle
you are a grown ass man
fierce pond
HES MAKING $1500 A MONTH JUST SPENDING 10 HOURS A WEEK MAN
sharp shuttle
thats like justifying a drug salesman
sharp shuttle
its okay if its not in your own city, right?
fierce pond
not the same
toxic rock
HES MAKING $1500 A MONTH JUST SPENDING 10 HOURS A WEEK MAN
game dev is fun ngl
fierce pond
game dev is fun ngl
i did try programming the npc and stuff
turbid goblet
le
sharp shuttle
"gamedev" in roblocks... spawning shapes with no retopology so children can jump on them while yelling 67 at the top of their lungs
turbid goblet
mao
fierce pond
after that i gave up when i started building houses and land and water and ships
turbid goblet
le mao
terse dirge
I tried gamedev and it wasn't really for me
sharp shuttle
"gamedev" in roblocks... spawning shapes with no retopology so children can jump...
oh and fully grown ass men who "make money" on a sandbox containment zone for palantir to study handholdless virgin adults
fierce pond
im just tryna figure out a path in my lifeπ
sharp shuttle
yeah, perhaps dont choose roblocks
toxic rock
"gamedev" in roblocks... spawning shapes with no retopology so children can jump...
wait is the game dev guy hes talking about coding robloCK scripts??????
sharp shuttle
he is
fierce pond
wait is the game dev guy hes talking about coding robloCK scripts??????
wdym
terse dirge
damn, when I tried gamedev I was using godot
sharp shuttle
no, he is literally spawning shapes
fierce pond
im still a beginnerrrr i dont understadn shiii
sharp shuttle
do something cool like develop hacks for adventure quest
toxic rock
do something cool like develop hacks for adventure quest
bro ...
fierce pond
do something cool like develop hacks for adventure quest
does that generate money?
fierce pond
i cant explain it but its something soo ez that a 10 years old person can do it
oh
nah i saw him working on it
it was super complicated
sharp shuttle
there is a difference between generating money and generating value
which one are you
toxic rock
it was super complicated
give me two weeks and i will do it
fierce pond
there is a difference between generating money and generating value
a beginner
sharp shuttle
thats not what i asked
fierce pond
give me two weeks and i will do it
oh
sharp shuttle
are you a cryptobro or a guy who gets shit done?
fierce pond
i get shit done
sick gate
What are you getting done
sharp shuttle
then dont pick an exploitative trade
terse dirge
i get shit done
then why aren't you in HTB academy rn?
fierce pond
What are you getting done
work
fierce pond
then dont pick an exploitative trade
π
sick gate
What work
fierce pond
then why aren't you in HTB academy rn?
i am
sharp shuttle
putting both feet in his mouth
sick gate
If you answer questions vaguely people will assume you're lying or hiding something
fierce pond
HE ASKED A GENERAL QUESTION
toxic rock
did anyone did the ping pong machine? do u recommand i try it as a midium / beginner?
sick gate
did anyone did the ping pong machine? do u recommand i try it as a midium / begi...
It's an insane rated machine, so it will probably take you a while
fierce pond
and he was giving an analogy
sharp shuttle
i recommend you do retired content with the walkthrough so you can develop a heuristic for solving challenges blind
sick gate
Debt collectors
toxic rock
It's an insane rated machine, so it will probably take you a while
oww i thought its hard never mind bro i ll keep it for another day or month idk haha
sharp shuttle
how much vbuck debt do you have?
sick gate
Getting sim swapped by a teenager for your game money because you owe them for the captain america skin
sharp shuttle
oh vbucks is fortnite
they censored the roblocks currency
i even spelled it wrong
wild
robucks
alright that works
worthy schooner
visual studio takes about 10 to 20 GB
sharp shuttle
that is true
worthy schooner
my c disk only has 52GB
worthy cargo
Visual Studio is the best IDE mankind has ever made.
Nothing else compares to it.
There. I said it.
worthy schooner
that is right
i really loves its debugging feature
but it is too big
what language do you code in
alpine pumice
arnold c
sharp shuttle
zig, python, asm
worthy schooner
which flavour of assembly i use nasm for linux
worthy cargo
Diablo II D2S file checksum reversed.
toxic rock
python oop is hard c++ was easy
rancid swallow
but i make through godot or opengl via c++
nice
worthy schooner
where are you studying python
toxic rock
https://klipy.com/gifs/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling--k01KQ93KEG06Z51145WWRNT6KEJ
why cant i send a gif like normal people
worthy cargo
rancid swallow
visual studio takes about 10 to 20 GB
it may take more than that...coz of dev and deployment tools installation on VSComm
worthy cargo
Diablo II DLL for modding
terse dirge
why cant i send a gif like normal people<:prayge:867733100925550592>
because you need to be hacker rank+ to send gifs
worthy schooner
why you code in light mode
toxic rock
because you need to be hacker rank+ to send gifs
u must be kidding right?
rancid swallow
Use dark mode Light attract bugs
worthy schooner
so do everyone use visual studio anyone else with different ide i use clion,vs code and neovim
yeah you're right light is too hard for me to read
terse dirge
neovim is great
rancid swallow
And welp assets are a different case , u will need a lot more space for Assets as well
i keep a 1.5TB External HDD for all assets n stuff lol
worthy schooner
yeah i use lazyvim als with neovim it makes it into a full fledged ide
how do you all use linux and which distro do you all use
i use kali linux and arch via arch install
archinstall makes it easy
and i do via wsl
rancid swallow
how do you all use linux and which distro do you all use
mostly Kali and Arch
worthy schooner
okay that is a good selection
rancid swallow
Arch i had bare metal on my old laptop but it died few months back
-# moisture ate the motherboard
terse dirge
I only use linux btw 
arch and void linux
toxic rock
how do you all use linux and which distro do you all use
kali and arch are the best
rancid swallow
rest i have a few VMs , GOAD lab setup and making a SIEM home lab too
terse dirge
wsl is overrated af imo
rancid swallow
wsl is overrated af imo
worthy schooner
yeah but my disk only had little space
so i had to go with that
do you have switches and routers it is to expenseive for me and i have a wifi
terse dirge
yeah but my disk only had little space
why not just only use linux?
worthy schooner
i wish i had a networking lab it would be cool
it is the best for speed
man some courses like tier I is to expensive
i could only afford tier 0
rancid swallow
if u student , maybe take student sub
worthy schooner
but i dont have .edu mail
rancid swallow
worthy schooner
i will turn 13 in july
rancid swallow
worthy cargo
https://gitlab.com/Eggzy/d2tweaks-rnd2k/-/blob/extractor/src/d2tweaks/client/modules/loot_filter/loot_filter_settings_menu.cpp The shittiest C++ code I have ever written.
summer urchin
i will turn 13 in july
doesnβt that mean u are too young for discord
west venture
Like you
worthy schooner
i dont know
worthy schooner
wait i have class i have to go
summer urchin
i dont know
u have to be at least 13 for discord
devout sail
He's korean so he gets +1 age
worthy cargo
It's basically Diablo II gem/stone/pot/rune storage and extraction system π
That's my Diablo II mod
rancid swallow
demn
devout sail
It's basically Diablo II gem/stone/pot/rune storage and extraction system π
Now make your terminal look like that
west venture
@Clead
worthy schooner
and i joined this year
summer urchin
u said in july lol
turbid goblet
o7
summer urchin
u are still 12
toxic rock
What do you mean wth?
its impressive
worthy cargo
its impressive
Thanks
west venture
Donut is a _bigboi_ now
-# he is now 14 or 15
He is 12