general

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/winking-im-your-huckleberry-tombstone-wink-gif-16726484

[muted olive]

school

also googling college campuses

[meager kernel]

💔

[muted olive]

have you ever heard of VIT/SRM?

[meager kernel]

ehhh mid colleges

[muted olive]

they look good but the problem is, I don't think anyone knows about them

[meager kernel]

i have heard of them yes

but theyre mid

[muted olive]

I have three choices

All are mostly 'lower' tier ones unless I git gud in the april attempt

did you also have all the subjects in the first year? @meager kernel

[meager kernel]

wdym

[muted olive]

like, do you have to study all the branches

mechanical, chemical etc

[meager kernel]

yes

[muted olive]

😢

[meager kernel]

physics chem maths and some other boring subjects

[muted olive]

I'm considering IIIT more for that reason lol

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/zig-zero-zig-programming-language-ziglang-zero-zig-gif-10370589814499206850

[supple plume]

Kraton lock in

[terse dirge]

gif chain failure, laugh at this user

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/zig-zero-zig-programming-language-ziglang-zero-zig-gif-10370589814499206850

[supple plume]

https://tenor.com/view/zig-zero-zig-programming-language-ziglang-zero-zig-gif-10370589814499206850

[manic anvil]

guys question when you use your attacking machine ip do you use the vpn one or your acutal system ip

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/zig-zero-zig-programming-language-ziglang-zero-zig-gif-10370589814499206850

[meager kernel]

vpn

[manic anvil]

so tun0?

thanks

[meager kernel]

I think I mistankengly found a bug in Steam

[manic anvil]

you know the good thing about pentesting is scripts take long time to run sometimes giving you time to do anything

[manic anvil]

report it let them send you TF2 figures

[meager kernel]

nah but srsly

jokes apart

i think i just found an infinite money glitch in steam

[manic anvil]

i mean seriously check if they got a bug bounty program or something

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/soup-cat-skul-gif-8120043638346731096

[supple plume]

Bro you're interacting with chatgpt too much

[meager kernel]

im not joking

i was experimenting and found a way to exploit one system

[supple plume]

It would be sad if you become one of these braindead gpt psychosys induced bozos

Skipping school to get lied by a half baked ai

[meager kernel]

I didnt use AI

I was using steam to buy a game and found a bug

[supple plume]

Make sure is not a discount

[meager kernel]

why am i even talking to you

[muted olive]

👀

[meager kernel]

come in dms

[muted olive]

you sure?

[muted olive]

unrelated but this is also the reason why curl closed their bug bounty lol

some of the reports are hilarious

direct copy paste from chatgpt

[supple plume]

I know, weird times we're living in

@scenic maple what is the temperature on the world rn

[scenic maple]

15°C (59°F)

[muted olive]

cold world we live in

[scenic maple]

cold world we live in

[muted olive]

congrats

that marks your 250th time saying that

excluding any secret mod channels

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/quishilobie-cat-white-cat-with-cigarette-cigarrete-cat-depressed-cat-gif-1366676046942216736

ceald@orbit ~/purrimeter (main)> git commit -m "management stuff"
 3 files changed, 230 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)
``` this is what peak open source dev looks like

next up is 500+ changes with the message of "fixed bug" or "a"

[green kite]

LOL

[woven blaze]

yo im new, how can i add the hostname https://futurevera.thm to our DNS with the IP of the target system as requested in the room

[sturdy thistle]

wrong server lol

[woven blaze]

oh mb

[rugged dune]

sudo nano /etc/hosts and add target_IP futurevera.thm

[terse dirge]

you ask it nicely

[gilded axle]

hello guys, i have trouble with strat pointing machin. Nothing machion can't spawn.

[terse dirge]

did you push the button to spawn it?

[hardy frigate]

Hey guys

[rugged dune]

refresh it already spawned <>

[hardy frigate]

U are holo rank

Surely u can explain to me

If I am on one subnet

[gilded axle]

i push buttoin but "machine is spawning"" in loop

[rugged dune]

bet i won't if u say it like that

[hardy frigate]

And I want to discover ALL subnets that I can reach

[rugged dune]

try to refresh it always happens with me

[hardy frigate]

How is the best way to do this

I got some DNS records

[gilded axle]

nop

[hardy frigate]

And they show some other subnets

But I want a clear systematic and consistent way to discover all subnets

Not just rely on caches and DNS records

[rugged dune]

a good referance :
https://academy.hackthebox.com/module/details/144

[hardy frigate]

Oh okay thanks ...

I did that module already

[rugged dune]

weird i always get it worked like that

[terse dirge]

just be in a flat network easy! Everyone knows vlans aren't real

🔥

[hardy frigate]

Hey bro u trying to crack jokes at me?

[rugged dune]

because they are virtual ?

[hardy frigate]

I am the Anti-joke slayer of Light

[terse dirge]

yes

[hardy frigate]

So which punishment do u choose for yourself

[rugged dune]

i actually found a full entriprise here working with a full flat networks they said we don't believe in that

[terse dirge]

really??? The network at the cyber range is flat and it kinda sucks but I had no idea that other places do it too

[hardy frigate]

Bro all of this is voodoo magic to me. "Flat" network "network architecture" this is why I should've done a networkign certification training

I'm like network - illiterate

[terse dirge]

I sentence you 1 day of linkedin AI slop posting!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588029217376043023/1462352862616223854/petpet.gif

[hardy frigate]

I might do the CCNA

Cause I need to learn some more networking + how to assess firewall configurations

Apparently there's a market for assessing firewall configurations

[rugged dune]

f that

just finished cyberops

total bs

[terse dirge]

networking is for nerds anyways do kubernetes instead

[rugged dune]

i passed with 93% they asking stupid questions

[gilded axle]

Starting point vpn is disconnect

[rugged dune]

legit

[rugged dune]

use TCP

[fiery copper]

Hot void I died out

[terse dirge]

we're still on gigabit speeds and everything we have probably won't support 10 gig speeds

[gilded axle]

Ok And I must open port in my router or not ? Sorry I suck lol

[terse dirge]

our servers are like 5+ years old and still on DDR 2 and 3 RAM

[muted olive]

but you say you're a red teamer

[rugged dune]

no just sudo openvpn --config file.ovpn

[gilded axle]

Ok thanks

[terse dirge]

When I was helping set up the kubernetes cluster at the range I was told to just have one ceph storage node for rook instead of 3

[rugged dune]

goood referance thanks to ryan
https://help.hackthebox.com/en/articles/5185687-introduction-to-lab-access

[terse dirge]

for those who don't know. Rook ceph is a self healing storage solution for persistence on kubernetes. It has replicas of storage so when one control plane node fails the other ones have the exact same data/storage

[rugged dune]

RAID10 with some salt?

[terse dirge]

sure. It is easiest to think of it as just raid with extra features

[rugged dune]

[terse dirge]

another thing is that it's not recommended that you have a hardware raid with rook on top we have raid anyways because of the number of drives we have and it was already done when we found out

I'd love to move everything to kubernetes since our stuff isn't really that great for proxmox

[rugged dune]

here they love proxmox

it the technology

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-technology-patrick-hung-gif-5567497

i feel like thm is a bit childish after doing machines in htb

[terse dirge]

Here too but people aren't willing to move to containerization instead of creating a new VM. We have a lot of clutter in our proxmox sadly. I'll probably clear out a bunch of shit tomorrow

[rugged dune]

r u by any chance from belgium?

[terse dirge]

No I'm from Arizona

It's like 3am

[rugged dune]

I tought only us suck

[rugged dune]

i see the wisedom comes on that time specially

[gilded axle]

sorry guys but i follow all instruction and i have this :

vpn is connected but spawning is loop no spawn machine in starting point

[terse dirge]

refresh the page

[gilded axle]

is meow

[gilded axle]

dont run

but i have : EU StartingPoint 2
Offline

but i m connected lolk

[exotic pendant]

[gilded axle]

i use exegol maybe i try to launch it with exegol web browser

[terse dirge]

I use void linux btw

[gilded axle]

Sorry I m very newbie on this way

And my english is so bad

[terse dirge]

void linux > any other distro that's not one made from scratch

[gilded axle]

Ok same arch Linux

[terse dirge]

actual arch or something arch based?

[gilded axle]

No things

[terse dirge]

arch linux isn't based enough because it uses systemd

[gilded axle]

I have Windows 11 computer with wsl2 and docker with exegol

I know is not good

[terse dirge]

You should uninstall windows, wsl sucks

[gilded axle]

Nop because I Play too in this computer

[terse dirge]

Lots of games work great on Linux

Proton and wine are great

[gilded axle]

Hum I known but is not optimum

[terse dirge]

It's better than windows for some games tbh

Wine and proton is just a compatibility layer I believe so it's like translating windows stuff to what Linux can understand is how it works so you're not actually running windows.

Windows says yummy system resources for whatever reason and it's bad at memory management sometimes

[gilded axle]

i pratice just for the fun

[supple plume]

runit goddamit

[terse dirge]

With runit you just link the service and say "go service" and it starts immediately and doesn't wait to see if it ran fine so you check if it ran fine

[supple plume]

I will install void properly some day when I have time

[terse dirge]

Just use the installer vro

Make it your host os

[supple plume]

I need a proper flash driver

I need time

And I need another computer

Because I burned mine

[supple plume]

Probably this year

[undone fossil]

TERRY DAVIS MENTIONED

[fiery copper]

So where are the glowies

Normie beats Schizo
Schizo beats Psycho
Psycho beats Normie

[green kite]

I use proton mail to send responsible disclosure mails

[vital hatch]

Someone know in which scenarios this error can be prompt in the puppet pro lab by Sliver?

[ancient sequoia]

guys

is there are any copoun codes active rn?

[warped plank]

In HTB an active coupon is like a Stradivarius, extremely rare and when you find one it's worth a lot. No, there's not one active right now.

[meager kernel]

wdym active coupon

oh discount code?

[warped plank]

same thing

[untold hemlock]

can anyone help me im trying to do the fawn machine and it says "task flag already owned"

i cant see the next task

[warped plank]

ask in #starting-point and it'd help if you showed a screenshot (you can't put one here because you don't have permissions, so put one in the channel I linked)

[harsh ocean]

Is machine vpn server only tweaking out for me or what

[untold hemlock]

wait i reloaded the page and its working fine now

[warped plank]

https://status.hackthebox.com/

[scenic maple]

@warped plank is this real?

[harsh ocean]

Weird i cant join any machine in it rn

[buoyant wyvern]

how did they measure afghanistan

[warped plank]

I agree I'm about 1% happier where I live now than where I used to live 🤣

How tf they measuring Yemen but not Oman?!?

[scenic maple]

i have always wondered how is it for international students there

i dunno if u are one tho

[ancient sequoia]

yeah ithought the same so i just bought the student plan as it

[scenic maple]

they asked the overseas soliders staying there

[ancient sequoia]

but i am still noob woudlnt that update or smth?

[warped plank]

I am an international student., all universities have very specific wording and by a small technicality I cannot apply as a domestic student.

[scenic maple]

it might take time

[buoyant wyvern]

i don't think there were any overseas soldiers in afgahanistan in 2022

[scenic maple]

so is it good? do you recommend other people to be a intn student in aus?

[ancient sequoia]

as an iraqi its wrong we aint light red

[warped plank]

Well it's 3x more expensive for us than it is for domestic students but yes, every international student I know are happier here, their parents aren't cos it's digging a hole in their wallets, but they are.

[ancient sequoia]

min we are dark red

[buoyant wyvern]

a person in dark green would have said the same thing

[scenic maple]

that doesnt really make sense to me

if you are rich

you should already be happy

man there used to be countries where you could go study and work and pay off your shit without loans

but times have changed

[ancient sequoia]

[warped plank]

Money can't buy happiness, I know a lot of rich people who are miserable and a lot of less fortunate people that can't be happier.

[scenic maple]

i agree it cant but it buys flexibility and freedom which for most is enough for being happy

for example if you dont have it then you are pretty much forced to do something u dont like

[exotic pendant]

[warped plank]

Money can't always buy flexibility and freedom, sometimes money itself is a prison and a time suck.

[exotic pendant]

No money is an even worse prison

[undone fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-monch-monster-energy-monster-cat-eating-monster-can-monch-cat-gif-25066008

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-cat-mustache-cat-cat-with-mustache-wise-cat-gif-14061847956880895668

[buoyant wyvern]

this is not always the case

[exotic pendant]

Money can buy pizza which mean happiness and energy

Thus frost finds more bugs

If this is a prison, keep me in it

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-hungry-fast-food-weight-loss-gif-14286137490125856314

[exotic pendant]

[warped plank]

But also diabetes and cholesterol 🤣

[exotic pendant]

Diabetes is from sugar

From insulin issues

[scenic maple]

would you rather die of diabetes or hunger

[exotic pendant]

Cholesterol thoug

I’ll take it

[warped plank]

mate if I'm buying a pizza I'm buying the most sugar filled softdrink to go along with it, if you don't then what the heck you gonna wash down that salty ahh pepperoni with?

[exotic pendant]

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-aurelius-marcus-aurelius-marc-aurèle-rome-gif-14213982345192092969

[exotic pendant]

Frost doesn’t wash his pizza down with liquids

Only the sauce

[austere sigil]

technically sauces are liquid

[warped plank]

Bro doesn't know diabetes but he sure knows kidney stones 🤣

[exotic pendant]

Is coagulated substances fully lqiuid

Never once has a kidney stone

[lethal locust]

Whoever I ask for help to return my game account I beg you

[green kite]

this is not hacker for hire @lethal locust

[exotic pendant]

I think the rust programming protects me from kidney stones

[warped plank]

lucky... I had to pass a couple once... my pee burned for a while

[austere sigil]

Not a scientist but I suspect they are semi-liquid just like cats

[green kite]

cntact the support team

[exotic pendant]

Burning more than the normal amount?

[warped plank]

WTF you mean normal amount?

[exotic pendant]

[steep tree]

How to get sponsorship from hackthebox for our college ctf competition

[ancient sequoia]

guys

[warped plank]

Probably: https://ctf.hackthebox.com/marketplace

[ancient sequoia]

if i make my secondary mail the main one i must go through the verify again?

nvm i cant use it

[warped plank]

you must verify the secondary email but other than that you should be good.

[ancient sequoia]

i have a secondary email verified already i just wanted to make it the main one

[meager kernel]

im tired

[warped plank]

I think you'd have to remove it from being a secondary email then change your primary email to it

[ancient sequoia]

yeah i had an error said i cant use it

for now my school mail is the main if i change it what will happen to the student plan?

bcz now i must remove the secondary make it main and than add my school mail again

[warped plank]

Probably best to contact support.

[west lynx]

https://help.hackthebox.com/en/articles/5986762-contacting-htb-support

[ancient sequoia]

is it taking time to the platform to take the money from card?

i have the sub but it didnt take the money from the card yet

[warped plank]

again: contact support

[ancient sequoia]

ok

thx

[zealous charm]

[green kite]

any hacking today?

[zealous charm]

Yes sir, woke up at 6:15 to get some bug bounty hunting in before work

[green kite]

nice one

[zealous charm]

Trying to argue with a customer who thinks file open > NTLM leak isn’t a bug, despite Microsoft routinely issuing CVEs for that in office products

[green kite]

😆

itsn ot a bug, its a feature

[ancient sequoia]

how can i open new chat with hivemind? it keep saying Your conversation has ended

[green kite]

I'm unsure, but you can always email support at [e-mail]

[gray wraith]

@supple plume I swear Im cursed, on portswigger labs my payloads worked on two diff labs and both did not count for some reason

[supple plume]

Hey maybe we can take a look together later

[heady sage]

Hey have you done any of the secure coding challenges?

[green kite]

dont remember 🙂

[heady sage]

Jesus man, I’ve been trying to make a patch for Agriweb for a day now

I already know the vulnerability

[gray wraith]

I think I'll be at work but i could send them to you rn, you can take alook later

[heady sage]

How much of the portswigger labs have you done?

I plan on starting some of the mystery labs

[gray wraith]

i have done the apprentice xss ones and now going through practicioner

also XSS for now

so not much

[heady sage]

We can do some of them together if you’d like

[gray wraith]

id be up to but ill be at work prolly

[heady sage]

Cool sent you a fr rq

[winter nest]

Hello

[gray wraith]

one thing I like about their labs is that smh I managed to not tunnel vision as much, I take it step by step and look at the code more to check what is going on

could be just regular progress too

[turbid bloom]

yo guys

[exotic pendant]

should update your guys steam

😄

Going to make blog post on my RCE some day and new patch fixes it

[supple plume]

Ok

[untold hemlock]

how long does nmap takes?

while scanning

[zealous charm]

depends on what youre scanning and how

[lapis apex]

You always find RCEs and vulns, like the chrome one a few years back, are you getting paid enough 👀

[untold hemlock]

i am doing the tier 0 machines and im using the kali vm

[exotic pendant]

$12 and a slice of pizza

so worth

[lapis apex]

Damn

Unfortunate

What about that image thingy with that particular browser?

[exotic pendant]

$5 and a coke

[zealous charm]

$17 + pizza and a coke sounds like the ideal friday night

[lapis apex]

I dont believe you

[exotic pendant]

Yes most pay me well for it

lol

[rustic carbon]

it depends on what you specify, you can use the -T flag for this:
T0 T1 T2 T3 T4 T5. first two are used to bypass ids and ips, tho t0 is slow slow. these options configure stuff like min rate to optimize your scan, to optimize it further see the nmap official documentation
it also depends on the ports you scan

-F will go for the 100 most common, without flags 1000, -p- to scan all or -p [port number(s)] to scan certain port(s)

[muted olive]

How are you paying it?

[lapis apex]

Fair

[muted olive]

https://tenor.com/7eBwa1eE14.gif

[warped plank]

I'm not, I'm working and not enrolled cos I can't pay it 🤣

[lapis apex]

What even is the blog link frostbite?

[muted olive]

Parents are paying it then?

[warped plank]

nope, they ain't working so they can't pay it 🤣

[mystic harbor]

@scenic maple

[lofty warren]

[scenic maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012079751445352518/1413942071512924160/speechmemified_pasteimage_1.gif

[muted olive]

so cafe + loans?

[muted olive]

overrated

this is the real one

[warped plank]

Nahh mate I'm waiting til I become a domestic student

[scenic maple]

bro is obsesed with iran

[muted olive]

So wait how does this work

when does australia accept you as a domestic student?

[muted olive]

love watching some random currency fall

and maybe betting on oil

[scenic maple]

they will still exist

[warped plank]

So the wording on every university is: Permanent Resident or Citizen

[scenic maple]

they have been for so long

[warped plank]

I have a Provitional Residency which means I get the perks of a Permanent Resident but on paper am not one... therefore I am international student.

[heady sage]

How do you typically patch vulns @exotic pendant ?

[muted olive]

maybe with new govt

which is better for them honestly

[exotic pendant]

I don't the companies do

I bring the bug to the table, and the companies fix it

[scenic maple]

even without one they would still exist

[lofty warren]

💀

[scenic maple]

would rather take a dictator anyday than a civil war

but thats on the domain of politiks anyway

[muted olive]

Unless you work with Mozilla, they will patch it with you
Looking forward to that for real patching experience

[heady sage]

I need to learn how to patch apps.

It's a skill as an appsec engineer I need to know

[muted olive]

true that

[mystic harbor]

[zealous charm]

hey copilot/claude/codex/gemini, patch this bug

[heady sage]

@scenic maple How did you get so good at javascript?

[mystic harbor]

so golam are you hungry

[heady sage]

I dont want to rely on claude for patching apps.

[gray wraith]

luffy would never do that..

[scenic maple]

i am not even bad in javascript
but if you want to be good just binge read mdn speaking of which i even right now am on it lmao

[lofty warren]

bad news: he did

[gray wraith]

the one piece was not enough

bro meant business

[scenic maple]

learn everything on the left sidebar
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript
and if you are unfortunate enough to go too deep then read the spec
https://tc39.es/ecma262/

[muted olive]

*gork

[lofty warren]

oh hell nah...

https://tenor.com/view/winter-is-coming-jon-snow-game-of-thrones-got-gif-16908557

[gray wraith]

ok, I will

[scenic maple]

may god be on your side

[gray wraith]

but later

[scenic maple]

because you will need him

[gray wraith]

my head hurts a bit from all the thinking

[lapis apex]

@scenic maple i remember why I asked you for web dev stuff

[scenic maple]

its way way worse than academy modules

[lapis apex]

How much would a good landing page cost a company on a freelance basis?

[scenic maple]

depends on the company u pick

[west venture]

With AI? Probably zero

[gray wraith]

depends on the company and the functionality

[lapis apex]

Shiiit you measure it up to revenue?

[scenic maple]

and how many pages and ur level of customization

[gray wraith]

yes, yes, yes! we need companies to code their websites using AI

[scenic maple]

i have never freelanced i have only ever worked in a fast pacing startup

shit on there was wild

[lapis apex]

Yeah smth similar

[scenic maple]

u can ask echo or chornos they do it everyday

[west venture]

Thas what they do now

[lapis apex]

What do they do exactly?

[scenic maple]

make websites

and write javascript

even on the server

[lapis apex]

Dont you as well?

[scenic maple]

i used to 😔

i got laid off

[muted olive]

I ❤️ js

for xss stuff only*

[muted olive]

when will you get laid on again

[lapis apex]

Want a job 😏

[scenic maple]

dunno maybe next year or maybe when i finish college

[scenic maple]

open to oppuruntiies

[lapis apex]

Dm?

[scenic maple]

sure

[gray wraith]

give gulam money

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bowl-gif-1248424875261575269

[heady sage]

can you dm this to me so I dont forget?

[scenic maple]

yeah sure

[heady sage]

I need to do CWEE back again

[green kite]

yes you do

[scenic maple]

guys laugh at @mystic harbor

[green kite]

poor thing

[lofty warren]

gud luckk

[heady sage]

I was thinking about doing CWES and I already completed the path but I need to take the exam

https://labs.hackthebox.com/achievement/challenge/151479/954

@scenic maple

[scenic maple]

💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[heady sage]

I dmed you about my solution

[stable tiger]

australia doesnt accept domestic students unless they're from south asia

bcos our government has an immigration deal to bring in south asian workers

otherwise the visa process is very strict

[scenic maple]

i guess its our fault for trying to get education in this economy

[stable tiger]

we're in a housing crisis yet our government brings in MILLIONs of south asian workers yearly, more than our ecnomony can handle instead of fairly and justly distributing across all nations

[muted olive]

why south asian specifically?

[scenic maple]

cause they broke homie

[muted olive]

I think you have a deal with us for that

[scenic maple]

like us

lmao

let me borrow 20$

[stable tiger]

racism

[muted olive]

[stable tiger]

they're trying to be woke

[muted olive]

I mean... isnt it benefitting the south asian worjers

[stable tiger]

no lol

bcos it's made a massive amount of australians not hire them

[muted olive]

oh wait nvm

[stable tiger]

its benefitting no one

it's made racism in our country sky rocket and just made these poor immigrants who are qualified doctors etc be forced to work as uber eats drivers etc

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/blissful-malevonence-gif-10192619856801101589

[stable tiger]

our government is VERY clueless to be fair

[rich radish]

india superpower

[stable tiger]

they just rushed in a vague hate speech law that can get you charged for up to 5 years, not off intent but how the person perscribed it

eg you express an opinion about a government, the person considers it racism and boom you're in jail

not an exaggeration

bit of a shitshow here rn

[rich radish]

How dare u insult india

life setance for u

[stable tiger]

unfortunately instead of fixing the corruption pushing this 99% of our country is now going to vote for the racist party

which is going to end horribly

what a time to be alive!!!!

[rich radish]

the average white supremacist on twitter is mexican anyway

[stable tiger]

im not a white supremacist thanks

youre getting charged next time you visit australia buddy

[rich radish]

like alot of white supremacists arent even white online

its mostly a meme

[stable tiger]

the irony is

since i am mexican, you saying that even as a sarcastic example

is enough for me to get you charged here now

[rich radish]

LOL

[stable tiger]

no shit

😭

they just killed free speech

[rich radish]

when indians wanna make fun of muslims they pretend to be white

there was a twitter leak where all the pro israel accounts were not actually white

they were indian

[fierce vale]

huh maybe colonizing asia wasn't such a good idea after all

[stable tiger]

i was complaining abt laws it didnt needa go racist

[scenic maple]

maybe its a cold world everywhere

not just the shit hole where i live

[stable tiger]

stone cold sigma world

where you from

[scenic maple]

shit hole

[stable tiger]

thats very broad

[scenic maple]

a bad one

[stable tiger]

figures

thats basically every first world country now

[scenic maple]

then think about third world countries

they have all your problems

and more

[stable tiger]

yup

[rich radish]

pakistan?

[scenic maple]

close

yeah

[stable tiger]

india?

[scenic maple]

no

[zealous charm]

Cold world indeed

[rich radish]

the northern parts of pakistan are pretty nice

[scenic maple]

true

unfortunately most pakistanis dont live there

[rich radish]

kekw

[scenic maple]

karachi is like top 3 in air pollution

massive stats

[rich radish]

f

[meager kernel]

India super power saaaar
India very strong saaaaar

[scenic maple]

yassss saaaar 💅

[rich radish]

me when i see someone make fun of indias gdp:
😡

[brittle quail]

I want to live in switzerland

[rich radish]

😡

[stable tiger]

REAL

[meager kernel]

I dont want to live

[stable tiger]

The only country we can ACTUALLY say is a utopia

[scenic maple]

but does switzerland want you to live there

[stable tiger]

Average GoW fan

[brittle quail]

That is the only country that is actually

okay

[brittle quail]

yes

[stable tiger]

not really

[brittle quail]

i am pro

[scenic maple]

must be nice

[brittle quail]

i am rich

🤑

i am very famous

[rich radish]

my neck hurts from gym

[meager kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-in-ass-gif-12119060648620266328

[scenic maple]

how much do you make monthly

[stable tiger]

most of the nordic countries are fucking fantastic

[brittle quail]

💀

[brittle quail]

-5$

[scenic maple]

hate to break it to you but you are in debpt

[meager kernel]

Immigrants have started taking over

[stable tiger]

id genuinely sell my soul to live in switzerland or norway or finland

[brittle quail]

nope i am making -5$

[stable tiger]

im boutta be one of them 😭

[rich radish]

inshallah the islamic republic of sweden

[scenic maple]

i like how among first world countries there are first world countries

[brittle quail]

i can go snowboarding in swiss alps

[meager kernel]

Switzerland is good
Norway is tooooo cold, and their community is very "secluded" for the lack of a better word
Its difficult to mix within them as an outsider

[brittle quail]

every day

[meager kernel]

Finland is also good, but they have 2 extremes of people, either theyre turbo racist or very sweet, no in-between

[stable tiger]

i have my room temperature set to 16 degrees celsius

i do that JUST to sit in a hoodie and pants cos i like my room cold

Id fucking KILL to live in a cold country

[brittle quail]

60 is cold?

💀

[scenic maple]

16 is

[brittle quail]

our house is 50

[meager kernel]

How long can you live in -6°C?

[stable tiger]

i have before

[rich radish]

zyzz is from australia

[stable tiger]

zyzz era was so cringe

[meager kernel]

Youre gonna have to bare that for most part of the year if you move to norway

[rich radish]

zyzz is chad

[stable tiger]

ur a bit late to zyzz glaze

[meager kernel]

Otherwise norway is beautiful honestly

[brittle quail]

the polar bears will eat u

[stable tiger]

fine by me

[fierce vale]

can you handle not seeing the sun for 4-6 months a year?

[stable tiger]

it was 113 farenheint / 45 celsius here the other day

[next fjord]

You guys talking about cold places and I'm on 35 degrees celcius

[rich radish]

i know someone who operates a twitter reposting zyzz reels and he makes money from it

[stable tiger]

you all severly misunderstand how much i hate the heat

[stable tiger]

i ran a gym discord with 30k users when i was like 14

[scenic maple]

Aziz Sergeyevich Shavershian, better known as Zyzz, was an Australian bodybuilder and model. He established a cult following after posting videos of himself on YouTube, starting in 2007.

[muted olive]

:(

[rich radish]

FUAAAAAAAAAARK THIS LOCKDOWN GOT ME FUAAARKED

BRAAS I NEED YOU TO USE THIS REFERRAL CODE

[stable tiger]

since i was 14 i essentially went on a powertrip

tldr i got banned

i was so edgy as a kid LOL

[muted olive]

Tbh I couldnt live for 24 hours of daytime

[meager kernel]

Ahh, alas, he died cause of steroid abuse

[rich radish]

idc bruh zyzz will always be cool

no matter the time period

[meager kernel]

Dont use drugs kids

[supple plume]

Really?

[stable tiger]

he literally had a heart attack cos he was abusing stimulants ontop of his roids

[meager kernel]

Yes

[rich radish]

he was the original looksmaxxer

[muted olive]

go to US

[rich radish]

based

[stable tiger]

BRO MY OLD COACH IRL

[rich radish]

died like a chad

[stable tiger]

THIS GUY

HE WOULD TAKE 1000MG OF TREN A WEEK

[brittle quail]

i prefer ronnie coleman

[meager kernel]

Heart attack like a chad

[stable tiger]

i watched him fucking pin bro

[brittle quail]

yeaaaaaa boy

[stable tiger]

the coughing fits were fucking crazy

[rich radish]

i forget theres meth in australia too

[stable tiger]

actually he was severly depressed

[rich radish]

u guys have a big methj problem

[muted olive]

apparently a lot

[stable tiger]

and stated to his friends he regretted his following

[meager kernel]

I personally prefer old era body builders who were natty

[stable tiger]

we have a MASSVE meth problem

[rich radish]

anyone who has an iq over 100 is depressed

[muted olive]

dara singh

[rich radish]

zyzz was rlly smart as well

[stable tiger]

im not depressed and ive got a high iq + savant syndrome autism

100 is average lmao

zyzz was depressed because he was abusing hormones

[rich radish]

i mean hes probs 130-140

[stable tiger]

no he wasnt

[rich radish]

based off of how his brother describes him

[stable tiger]

thats genius level 😭

[muted olive]

not really

[rich radish]

yeah he got top marks in school

out of like

1000 students

or something

[meager kernel]

these body builders are from bronze era, before steroids were discovered

[muted olive]

genius is like 160-170?

I think

[stable tiger]

no its 140+

[rich radish]

genius starts at 130-140

[muted olive]

oh

[stable tiger]

i got 162 on a test when i was 13 getting my autism test

[muted olive]

guess im a genius then lol

(133)

[stable tiger]

keep in mind id sit in class fucking non verbal

i was like the guy from the good doctor irl till i got forced into social situations

[stable tiger]

I AM NOT A SURGEON

I AM NOT A SURGEONI AM NOT A SURGEON

I AM NOT A SURGEON

[muted olive]

stop doxxing yourself

[stable tiger]

when did u get tested

cos it raises until ur 25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-shaun-murphy-the-good-doctor-gif-16641093576353373368

[stable tiger]

im farily certain its a bell curve tho, the higher it is the less it raises

[rich radish]

iq can also be increased

[scenic maple]

how do i test my iq

[rich radish]

theres certain brain training programs

like dual n back

or quad n back

[stable tiger]

go to a psychologist

usually its done to assess other stuff

[scenic maple]

but he would scam me

[muted olive]

idk maybe a couple of years ago

[scenic maple]

sounds like a low iq move

[stable tiger]

if it was during teenage years it usually raises

[meager kernel]

I wanted to send a greek god statue physique here but they have their dicks out in all those pics 😂

[muted olive]

yeah I was 16 at the time

[stable tiger]

ye itll probably be +5-10 points

[obtuse fern]

If anyone takes iq seriously it just shows how ill informed they are.

[rich radish]

like irans iq was around 90 beforehand

[stable tiger]

real

[rich radish]

now it has the 4th highest iq

[meager kernel]

changing now

[stable tiger]

iq is a measurement of on the fly problem solving ability

[rich radish]

intelligence definitely has a genetic component tho

[stable tiger]

it doesnt do shit if you study a subject

[rich radish]

thats undeniable

[obtuse fern]

Not really, no

[muted olive]

iq is the ability to predict the next pattern in a bunch of shapes

[meager kernel]

dream physique (finally, an image with no dick)

[obtuse fern]

There's no data to back that up

[muted olive]

thats my perception of it

[rich radish]

why are some people really good in school tho

with minimal effort

[hardy frigate]

Oh great Marcie is here. Huraay.

[stable tiger]

the only data we have on genetic influence of iq is in edge cases of neurodivergency

[rich radish]

theres LOADS of data to back it up

[obtuse fern]

Its how their brain works; I was good in school with minimal effort, but I can guarantee im dumb as fuck

[stable tiger]

no there isnt

[proud moth]

wasn't intelligence hereditary with some genes for it?

[stable tiger]

iq is just a measure of problem solving ability not your cognitive ability

[obtuse fern]

Then show me the data that backs your claim. Preferably within the last 5 years

[meager kernel]

i dont think so
my parents are smart but i turned out to be a dumbass

[rich radish]

i mean u dont even need studies to see it

[pale ridge]

hello, i'm from France and the HTB website is very slow, is it normal ? i tried with Mozilla, Edge and Chrome , clear cache, restart computer, tested my connection, update my browser, windows update, gpu update etc and i have the same issue

i only have this issue on my computer but when i'm on my smartphone via the same router, it's isn't slow, is it normal ?

[stable tiger]

u do

[rich radish]

some people are just born more intelligent

[stable tiger]

lol

[rich radish]

if u dont see that then ur deluded lol

[proud moth]

why 5 lmao

[obtuse fern]

I prefer to make judgements off studies and scientific data, not just "i told you so"

[stable tiger]

u definitely need studies to see it

[muted olive]

❌

cpts?

good luck

[meager kernel]

this is me
https://tenor.com/view/brain-in-ass-gif-12119060648620266328

[stable tiger]

i think the only reelvant study on genetic iq influence was measuring edge case neurodivergency like savant syndrome

[obtuse fern]

Nah, thats epoch

[muted olive]

stop doxxing me

[meager kernel]

lmao

[acoustic pelican]

hey

[meager kernel]

@rich radish i wouldnt tolerate that

[stable tiger]

i cant learn topics that im not interested in for example despite having the problem solving ability 'on paper' to do so

[acoustic pelican]

i never worked in my life and im 27

and now i am facing huge financial debt

to my family

dunno what to do because I lack the practical experience such as coding and IT

even certifications won't help me to get a job ?

I guess that depends on the country

[obtuse fern]

That's extremely edge case and not a case for the norm. And in the scientific field, genetic refers to familial lineage not just "well this person has savant syndrome"

[stable tiger]

im agreeing with you dw

[acoustic pelican]

Bassicly my bank account is -net negative

[muted olive]

this 100% and I unfortunately have first hand experience

[rich radish]

they were mocking me for my bisexuality earlier

just cus i like dudes

cant a man be gay in peace

[frigid mountain]

Welcome to America

[meager kernel]

marcie?

[stable tiger]

yeah but im diagnosed savant syndrome tism so you can say it 'disproves' the previous study anyway

[acoustic pelican]

i live in EU @frigid mountain

[scenic maple]

is it nice there?

[obtuse fern]

I dont give a shit about your sexuality dude.

[meager kernel]

damn marcie 😔
mod abooooose

[frigid mountain]

yes

[stable tiger]

ability to learn is usually curiosity and determination

[rich radish]

you literally said i "outed myself" when i said bitches was a gender neutral term

you showed yourself as the homophobe

[obtuse fern]

That's not what I was referring to at all

[stable tiger]

im a firm believer anyone can learn any topic if its explained to them in a way that suits their learning style or way of thinking

[rich radish]

then what was

[obtuse fern]

You fucking dumbass

[rich radish]

LOL

[scenic maple]

[meager kernel]

godly level ragebait

[frigid mountain]

peak mod behavior

[stable tiger]

hes ragebaiting

[obtuse fern]

Saying its gender neutral after saying something specifically gendered

[acoustic pelican]

and they say entry level is 1-3 years or 2+ years of experience

and i got 0

at 27 years old

[stable tiger]

idk id say thats completely rational crashout

[acoustic pelican]

I never worked in 27 years of life

how is that possible ?

[rich radish]

yeah well i see bitches as gender neutral

[acoustic pelican]

to ask for experience

what will people with 0 experience do in life ?

[obtuse fern]

And you made a statement right after that contradicted that

[meager kernel]

thats the best ragebait ive seen @rich radish

[acoustic pelican]

i mean we will never get money ?

or die

[scenic maple]

how do you afford food

[stable tiger]

make a blog and use that as your experience reference

[acoustic pelican]

@scenic maple I live with my dad and mom

they always took care of me

[frigid mountain]

@acoustic pelican Maybe you're in debt because you're whiney. Less whine, more getting bags

[scenic maple]

take care of them when they are old

[obtuse fern]

Like, you gotta get up pretty early to gaslight me my guy

[acoustic pelican]

minimum salary in cybersecurity in Romania is 1000$

net amount

rent is 500 or 400 $

I live in the worst economy boys

not in USA

[frigid mountain]

@acoustic pelican Less yap more chasing bags

[proud moth]

ragebaiting marcie is too easy, just say that indians are not a gender or something

[acoustic pelican]

indians get better jobs due to lower salaries

all tech moved there

[obtuse fern]

They aren't. Why would I argue facts?

[rich radish]

nah indians are too high iq

the world needs to turn into india

[scenic maple]

honestly some of them are pretty high iq

[meager kernel]

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT WTF

[frigid mountain]

ok I'm out

😄

[rich radish]

fucking racist

[obtuse fern]

Theres actually a high level of violence against women and girls in India, so id rather not

[acoustic pelican]

bro

[stable tiger]

Actually they statistically have some of the lowest iq averages but their offsetted by richer families with higher education access

[meager kernel]

im indian dumbo

[acoustic pelican]

they throw shit at kids

girls and boys

[stable tiger]

Who would've thought people with EDUCATION ACCESS TEST SMARTER 💀

Almost like its not genetic!

[rich radish]

thats racist

[obtuse fern]

Capitalism would disagree

[rich radish]

u dont want more indians cus they abuse women?

[scenic maple]

low tier ragebait put more effort

[rich radish]

but thats their culture

[stable tiger]

*american capitalism

[obtuse fern]

Its not racist, its a fact. Saying "its their culture" is racist

[meager kernel]

exactly

[rich radish]

but i respect all cultures

[meager kernel]

i dont

[obtuse fern]

Listen dude im one more bait away from just banning you for being an instigator and a troll

[rich radish]

no your banning me because im gay

[stable tiger]

for example it's like saying japan has an SA culture just referencing their SA statistics, they clearly dont have an SA culture, high amounts of it just happens to occur there, it's not encouraged

it'd be racist to say they did cos ur generalising the race

[proud moth]

i respect all cultures except USA culture

[meager kernel]

*youre

[obtuse fern]

Not sure how you got that from my statement. But buddy, im not straight myself

[obtuse fern]

Understandable

[proud moth]

you guys have call of duty maps instead of schools

not respecting that for sure

[stable tiger]

I respect all cultures that are democratic and let the people decide their laws

The current US administration does not have that

[meager kernel]

spawn camping

[obtuse fern]

Nah, its pvp combat not spawn camping

[meager kernel]

the current US administration is on the Epstein list

[stable tiger]

my dad was an american citizen (ive never lived there) so ive got family over there; my cousin nearly got murked in a school shooting

[obtuse fern]

Before this gets too far, lets stay away from politics

[stable tiger]

Indeed

before we have a right vs left wing war in general

[meager kernel]

what would aliens think about earth (non-politically)

[obtuse fern]

Damn, im sorry, i hope they're not permanently affected (aside from probably some mental stuff)

[obtuse fern]

https://tenor.com/view/back-up-terry-put-it-in-reverse-terry-gif-12085130

[stable tiger]

Eh he just got very distant from his family

That side is MAGA so he doesn't fw them anymore
I also do not, and they havent spoken to me in years cos of it lmao

[proud moth]

how to tell if somebody is not from the US: he is alive

[obtuse fern]

Better to cut off an infected limb than try and save it sometimes

[scenic maple]

pov you get access to the school grading websites source code

[stable tiger]

Mexican and MAGA btw

for anyone saying iq is genetic that's an observation it isnt as I am related to them

[proud moth]

lmaooo

[untold hemlock]

what is a retired box?

[muted olive]

Unfortunately true

most of it is in rural areas

[stable tiger]

Previous public boxes with writeups you can use to learn and practice :)

[obtuse fern]

A box that isnt active

[stable tiger]

my cousin who is a citizen got ICEnapped for like 48 hours and they said it was and I quote a 'neccesary mistake'

[untold hemlock]

ooh

[stable tiger]

marice let me know if u want me to drop it

[muted olive]

thats why I'm not setting foot in there until the next administration lol

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-pins-read-i-can't-read-bobby-hill-gif-14289141356498021536

just a gif i was looking forward to using

[stable tiger]

i was considering renouncing my citizenship but since im a birthright citizen the dorito will probably do it for me

[muted olive]

I thought you were a mexican citizen

[stable tiger]

no

american

[muted olive]

I see

[stable tiger]

my dad jumped the wall

not a joke

[muted olive]

Well if you dont live there right now, good call

[obtuse fern]

You can probably seek Mexican citizenship

[muted olive]

which way?

[stable tiger]

Ehhh not a good idea

my aunt is ex cartel

id probably get kidnapped

[obtuse fern]

Bruh

[muted olive]

just live out of US for a few years

[stable tiger]

into the US

then they got citizenship

[muted olive]

ah

[scenic maple]

you must have cool stories to tell

[stable tiger]

thats why they jumped it

[muted olive]

through how, work?

[stable tiger]

all of this shit happened before i was born

💀

[scenic maple]

well maybe they did it for you

[stable tiger]

they got a visa and then worked hard for citizenship

[muted olive]

It isn't retroactive, btw

[stable tiger]

ive never once lived there

[muted olive]

I see

[stable tiger]

my ass was born in aus

my dad just hated the US so he moved when he was an adult lmao

[scenic maple]

how many citizenships do u have

[stable tiger]

3

[muted olive]

I mean then you're not a birthright citizen in that way

[scenic maple]

cool shit

[muted olive]

if your parent was a citizen so are you is a long standing concept

[stable tiger]

doritos tryna get rid of it

[muted olive]

by birthright I thought you meant your parents were immigrants

*when you were born

[stable tiger]

i was going to renounce my UK one but it costs so much money

[muted olive]

So you have american, australian and british citizenship?

[stable tiger]

yup

[muted olive]

https://tenor.com/gxI6oQP3wfs.gif

[proud moth]

bro is a multi citizen

[muted olive]

Honestly I wouldnt care about politics and shit

Just go tour the world and enjoy

And get the most out of your three citizenships

[supple plume]

This is the 2300 elo guy that won't show the account?

[fierce vale]

finnish next?

[stable tiger]

yup

chess.com 2300 means fuckall i hope you know that

thats like 1500 irl

[supple plume]

Are you related to the gigabro that fabricates 70 lines of js and call it 100tb compressor to 1kb

[muted olive]

what is chess.com 1500 then

(thats me)

[stable tiger]

like 800 fide?

its not linear

[supple plume]

Im 1600 in chess.com and 1750 irl federated

[stable tiger]

i was also like 16

[stable tiger]

and ur definitely better than me lmao

[supple plume]

At least I don't say lies that often

[stable tiger]

ive never played irl

[stable tiger]

i dont have a reason to lie, i dont play fide

its chess.com and meaningless

idc if you believe me 😭

[supple plume]

2 messages ago you were confident enough to say the elo relation between irl and chess.com now you never played irl

[fierce vale]

too bad uk isn't in eu anymore, you could just move freely to norway or finland

[stable tiger]

yes because im not that good yet was rated high on a site?

[muted olive]

yet another brilliant decision by britain

[stable tiger]

not a hard concept

[supple plume]

I don't care how good or bad you are

[stable tiger]

that's nice bro 😭

[supple plume]

I care that you're not honest

[stable tiger]

this conversation isnt even about chess

[scenic maple]

bet you feel real scared now

[stable tiger]

im shivering in my boots

[muted olive]

dr ddos moment

[stable tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1033207784101134336/1107713018806149131/hacker.gif

[supple plume]

Im peeing on your pants

[muted olive]

ZAMN

golam71 is the world grandmaster

[scenic maple]

i am gonna pee on your windows
from the inside

[stable tiger]

ayway what were we on abt

something us

[muted olive]

you know I told the chess.com founder to invest in an IPO and go public on the stock market

he said not atm but we'll see in the future

lol

[stable tiger]

bro was tryna get bills

fuck me bro

how many times is arch going to need to update today

third notification in an hour

[fiery copper]

The only stuff that I want to have deep inside me is happiness

[muted olive]

and...

[stable tiger]

wdym and

[muted olive]

nothing 🤣

[obtuse fern]

Best i can do is unlimited debt and sadness

[muted olive]

better to be pissed off than pissed on
~ sun tzu

[muted olive]

*unlimited joy and success

now available with our yearly plan

[west venture]

Digga

[stable tiger]

bruh

[supple plume]

Mods remove his blood, he doesn't want it

[muted olive]

https://tenor.com/iRzHfBsL7Y4.gif

[chrome tree]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jokes-comedy-louis-de-funes-satire-gif-15238043164121937076

[obtuse fern]

Can you not, ik its german but you cut the line a little too close with that

[west venture]

Cut the line for what? It means bro I'm German

My reaction was literally just bro...

[obtuse fern]

Ik what it means

Others may not

And interpret it very wrongly

[muted olive]

I didn't and foresaw a ban hammer incoming

[stable tiger]

proceeds to speak in english

[muted olive]

[fiery copper]

DEBT???

[scenic maple]

Know your enemies piss and know your piss
~ sun tzu

[supple plume]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-alchemy-gold-transmutation-mods-gif-5023303801320890973

[west venture]

Du willst Deutsch?

[muted olive]

https://tenor.com/dxgdvOBEWfC.gif

[stable tiger]

i only speak english

[obtuse fern]

90% of your paycheck goes to debt collectors. Sisyphus will be sated

[west venture]

Ah

Never heard of it

[supple plume]

Noooo now I am hearing it in my mind

[muted olive]

Modern punishment for Sisyphus: get a j*b

[fiery copper]

Blud I have difficulties getting a job and now debt?

[muted olive]

im in the thick of it everybody knowsssssssssssssss

[chrome tree]

An administor got a phishing email and asks if this is suspicious. I don't think i've ever had to use a slider bar to download my documents lmao.

[heady sage]

@scenic maple @supple plume do you guys have a minute to look at my code and sanity check it

[stable tiger]

@west venture rule 5 twin

[muted olive]

This is the updated google

[supple plume]

Im getting back home but I can review in 15 min

[obtuse fern]

Hmm

[muted olive]

(100%)

[stable tiger]

maybe dont say bro in german as ur assumed to be speaking english

[west venture]

What is that

[scenic maple]

send

[stable tiger]

keep it english

[obtuse fern]

Only English

[chrome tree]

xlxs.msi is downloaded too if you interact.

[obtuse fern]

That gets broken every so often.

[west venture]

How am I supposed to speak English if I don't know English?

[stable tiger]

enforce it

[obtuse fern]

.msi????

[muted olive]

They still have to execute it

[stable tiger]

you go to a german speaking server :)

[obtuse fern]

They're going through it to install that RAT

[stable tiger]

@chrome tree its for privesc, a lot of computers have .msi auto run as admin

[muted olive]

not a very efficient file type honestly

use a 0 day instead

like .library-ms

or .searchConnector-ms

those are 0 click iirc

if its not patched*

[stable tiger]

?

[chrome tree]

I know. lol I was just playing with it in some sandboxes. Nothing on VirusTotal for the file hash or the link which was interesting. Using an N8N instance too

[stable tiger]

its very efficient

[obtuse fern]

Im aware of its inefficiency, im just joking about it being a msi file

[muted olive]

User still has to execute file

[stable tiger]

most malware is spread by phishing a one click

that isnt new

[muted olive]

https://tenor.com/bVqRm.gif

[vestal tusk]

the irony, because google actually just got an update for gmail and 3rd-party, noticed some changes, but dont think this one is included, guess you could probably know from the sender email

[west venture]

Bro

[supple plume]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-do-what-they-told-ya-tim-commerford-rage-against-the-machine-killing-in-the-name-do-as-youre-told-gif-18509219

[muted olive]

They'd never change it that much :kek

[vestal tusk]

that's true

[muted olive]

Do you use any.run? 👀

[stable tiger]

i do