general

[muted olive]

I'm going to pretend thats fiction

[undone fossil]

Depends on the CRT, but you could also use signatures for __libc_start_main

[molten bobcat]

I mean it's an episode of South Park

[undone fossil]

Then look for calls to that, and then just look for the first param

[muted olive]

oh thank god

I was thinking that was a real incident

if it was then dont correct me

south park shit is weird

[silent oasis]

What this actually means is the dns server holds the queries resolution ("not found" after it checks with the authoritative server) until it's too full causing problem

[green kite]

What a good doggie

[scenic maple]

oh ye saw that

for whatever reason people are getting laid of from every place

[ornate ibex]

Did I see Ryan in the chaT?

[proud moth]

tried that with a hello world C code but didn't find libc start main at all in it

[scenic maple]

this dude too

[ornate ibex]

in the name of AI.

[proud moth]

after "-m32 -s -static"

[scenic maple]

dunno man life is pretty uncertain

[ornate ibex]

It was always the case.

[scenic maple]

i wonder if its better this way

maybe we would have gotten bored if everything went our way

[proud moth]

it's better this way so you can learn hacking now

pog

[scenic maple]

cold times show the need for warm times

and vice versa

[proud moth]

@undone fossil i wonder if there is an automatic way to backtrace the values of register type shi

i have too few neurons for that probably

[ornate ibex]

lol don't say warm, someone might misunderstand and start droping nukes and raises temperature.

[scenic maple]

nukes if launched will infact start a nuclear winter altho depending on scale

so it would be

a cold world we will live in

colder than the one we have

[proud moth]

a nuclear world we live in

[scenic maple]

harsh times

[ornate ibex]

stawp

touch the grass

[carmine pecan]

The nuclear winter thing is not guaranteed

[ornate ibex]

can't imagine that shiz

[carmine pecan]

it has a small chance of happening

people talk like it's a 100% thing

[silver forge]

don't worry we can make it happen

[ornate ibex]

no

[proud moth]

i am ditching 32 bit forever i am DONE with those binaries i swear

who uses 32 bit anyway

(im gonna regret this)

[ornate ibex]

||You||

[proud moth]

RIPPP

ASM for 32 bit doesn't make goddamn sense

64 bit asm is more readable than javascript

[muted olive]

I wish I could live one day in 2026 where people dont talk about doomsday shit

[scenic maple]

i mean would it be actually that bad?'

[proud moth]

wrong decade for that

[muted olive]

entire first week: VENEZUELA. WAR. WW3. RUSSIA. NUKE.
like jfc

[scenic maple]

you see the thing is

huamans are the only predators who prey on other humans

and humans are the most apex predator

[gray wraith]

Did it include your hand meeting his face

[undone fossil]

Yeah there two main ways

1. From the entry point emulate it
2. Track it yourself and create a struct, much more difficult imo

I think emulating would be the way

Wait funny idea

[heady sage]

https://tenor.com/view/boooooo-this-guy-stinks-serious-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11981386

[muted olive]

[proud moth]

i am only Frogawan level, isn't this more Frogster level hacking?

[undone fossil]

Emulate the binary until you hit a call instruction of which argc & argv are in the expected registers

Then you find main

[scenic maple]

btw do you happen to know how to with async and multi threading in c

[undone fossil]

At least for C/++

[proud moth]

infinite QI move

[scenic maple]

if so do you have any book recommendation

[heady sage]

Rockwallz is getting married btw

[undone fossil]

C++ books are a nightmare tbh um

[muted olive]

Creating struct is black magic which you shouldn't be teaching
(did it once it still haunts me)

[scenic maple]

dang thats nice

happy for him

[proud moth]

we got rockwallz marriage before GTA VI

[undone fossil]

I wouldn’t recommend it, emulation is far easier here

[scenic maple]

not cpp

only c

ow not speaking to me nvm

[proud moth]

what about pretending 32 bit is a collective hallucination and only learn 64 bit exploitation

[scenic maple]

did he say anything else?

[undone fossil]

I’d stick with 64bit for now

[muted olive]

all my homies hate 32bit

[undone fossil]

The way args are passed and such is much more approachable

[proud moth]

i want that RDI RIP type shi

none of that EAX moves nonsense

[undone fossil]

• most is 64 in the real world now so

Unless you’re into IOT/ARM but even so

At that point diff arch entirely

Uhh as for C books idk never read one sorry

[scenic maple]

why do we call it 64 bytes and not 8 byte operating system

[proud moth]

args passed on the stack?? what am i attacking a 32 bit vacuum cleaner binary or something

[muted olive]

my approach to ASM is
@gork track this instruction flow and tell me where its called pls

[proud moth]

naah cuh

[undone fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mod-discord-kick-mute-gif-495505587681287181

[proud moth]

this is illegal

[scenic maple]

😩

[proud moth]

please refer to the Frogawan code of conduct

[scenic maple]

they hate me for asking the right questions

[heady sage]

He’s not coming back

[supple plume]

upgrade

[proud moth]

common sense enjoyer

[undone fossil]

Nice pfp

[supple plume]

thanks

[undone fossil]

They’re stealing it

[scenic maple]

ayy please be sure to tell him i wish him a good life ahead

[scenic maple]

and that we had a good run

[vivid flower]

Cuute

[scenic maple]

his cursed gifs were truly cursed

[proud moth]

A team of Frogsters

[proud moth]

lmaoo

meme with infinute potential

[vivid flower]

Real

[muted olive]

If you're still in touch with him tell him that john cusack from microsoft says goodbye and fare well

he'll understand

[scenic maple]

everyone knows you are hohn from microsoft

[muted olive]

🤫

( 🧏‍♂️ )

[scenic maple]

tiger of asia?

[lofty warren]

tiger of Colombia

[scenic maple]

maybe he migrated

[vivid flower]

Uma delicia

[scenic maple]

congrats on guru

[muted olive]

Behold the house of stairs

Would you live here?

[silver forge]

why

[scenic maple]

average govt office when you need to get paperwork done

[muted olive]

because yes

[lofty warren]

sorry mate

wrong pic

[scenic maple]

yes bro very wrong

[silver forge]

but why stairs. why not something nice like house of boobas

[vivid flower]

Yes because you cant be taxed if every tax man who tries gets caught in your labyrinth

[muted olive]

https://tenor.com/7Djd.gif

[scenic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/kaede-azusagawa-kaede-gif-head-headpat-gif-13284057

[lofty warren]

tysmmm

[carmine pecan]

chat

I need help

def get_heuristic(index: int, context_val: int = 0) -> Tuple[int, int]:
    """
    Returns (start, step) to optimize and avoid full brute-force.
    """
    match index:
        # Heap Pointer Heuristics
        case 0: return (0xa0, 1)      # LSB is usually 0xa0
        case 1: return (2, 0x10)      # Optimization
        case 5: return (0x54, 1)      # 6th byte >= 0x54
        
        # Libc Heuristics
        case 0x10: return (context_val & 0xff, 1)
        case 0x11: return ((context_val >> 8) & 0xf, 0x10)
        case 0x15: return (0x7e, 1)   # 6th byte >= 0x7e
        
        # Default (Brute all)
        case _: return (0, 1)

My friend says this code using match-case in python looks ugly

and that I should've used a simple if-elif-else

😮

anyone here thinks he's right?

[lofty warren]

i dont think so

[scenic maple]

is that python?

[carmine pecan]

yes it's python

[lofty warren]

but you need to test the strings at IDA first:D

[silver forge]

no, case is much cleaner and more pythonic.

[supple plume]

for style you can just make an associative array in most languages and use the property accessor

[vivid flower]

Nah cases scale better and the farther away you are from using well known conventions the more dependent everyone else is on you for maintainance of code. Become irreplacable and make your code as spaghetti as possible.

[silver forge]

time to unfriend your friend.

[carmine pecan]

What the fuck is IDA

I use radare2

[muted olive]

IDA better

[carmine pecan]

the above was a code snippet from my PoC for a pwn challenge

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/semper-fi-oorah-shoulder-throw-gif-10858009

[carmine pecan]

😮

Ok then, thanks chat

[molten bobcat]

Love decoding German error messages

[muted olive]

Nein! Das ist mull code! Schreib ihn neu!

[zealous charm]

this is what AI is for

[muted olive]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTJ-LCejwnn

THIS is what ai is for

[carmine pecan]

the C in Clang stands for CHAD

the G in GCC stands for

[undone fossil]

If you wanted to over engineer it you could just make a mapping and do a single lookup

[carmine pecan]

sighs I probably don't want to make this joke

[supple plume]

that is what I tried to say

[carmine pecan]

Sir, without this code snippet the brute force would take 1 hour

Don't understimate the pain of leaking addresses byte by byte

[undone fossil]

What that’s not what I’m saying

[carmine pecan]

This is the internet

when someone responds you

it's not guaranteed he will be following the same line of reasoning

[undone fossil]

hence why I said so 😭

[carmine pecan]

exactly

[undone fossil]

Tbh it’s not a problem really but you could use a lookup table is what I’m saying

[carmine pecan]

one should just give up and become a monk

the internet is for kids

[undone fossil]

That way you don’t check every case, you just jump directly to a lambda or something via an index

[carmine pecan]

def get_brute_start_inc(i):
    return {
    # heap pointer (ends in 0x2a0)
    0       :   (0xa0,1),
    1       :   (2, 0x10),
    # 6th byte of heap pointer is at least 0x54
    5       :   (0x54,1),
    # __libc_start_main_ret_off
    0x10    :   (main_ret_off & 0xff,1),
    0x11    :   ((main_ret_off >> 8) & 0xf, 0x10),
    # 6th byte of libc address is at least 0x7e
    0x15    :   (0x7e, 1),
    }.get(i, (0, 1))

my friend is already using a lookup table, I can't like just do exactly what he's doing bor

otherwise he would beat me to death

and I would die a skid death

[undone fossil]

Well you can its a good way to design it

Don’t put ego in front of writing poor code

[carmine pecan]

😮 I wasn't being serious

[undone fossil]

Mb autism probably kicked in lol

I miss a lot of sarcasm over text 😅

[carmine pecan]

but I am autistic too

😮

well anyway

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900418365238181899/1360335282825724005/ezgif-39230647a1731d.gif

[late bison]

😮

[carmine pecan]

Please no Brazil in gen chat

highly prohibited

[meager kernel]

im feeling bored

[carmine pecan]

go for a run

[meager kernel]

its night

[silver forge]

hue hue hue hue hue

[haughty hill]

I am feeling hungry

[late bison]

mb

[meager kernel]

@supple plume new pfp?

[supple plume]

vro you have internet

yeah

[meager kernel]

whyd you become red

[silver forge]

https://tenor.com/view/huebr-brasil-zoeira-gif-3401356460649506265

[carmine pecan]

new year new he

[dusky jacinth]

Love the two autists not being able to get sarcasm over text

[maiden anvil]

I got a portapack in the mail recently

[dusky jacinth]

Oh?

[maiden anvil]

but im not seeing any aliens on the ads-b receiver

[carmine pecan]

a what?

[haughty hill]

He turned into a Sith lord

[chrome tree]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-al-weird-al-yankovic-al-yankovic-foil-foil-music-video-gif-7561247032687751566

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-owl-exterminator-gif-15186027

@scenic maple Get em dude

[maiden anvil]

😭 💀 😭 💀 😭 💀 😭 💀 😭 💀

[mystic harbor]

[maiden anvil]

I just converted it to an fm radio so now im listening to music 💪

[chrome tree]

You figure out an ESP32 project yet?

[maiden anvil]

gonna add a wifi module to my portapack, I guess it cant really do a bunch of wifi stuff on its own

[supple plume]

chatyeepeetee

[tawdry sorrel]

Bish Bash Bosh

[carmine pecan]

"My fiercest opponent has always been time."

😮

fire

[tawdry sorrel]

Faster than chatgpt

[carmine pecan]

"He who quenches his thirst with a single cup cannot understand the one who seeks the source of the water."

[molten bobcat]

I enjoy threat hunting I think

[tawdry sorrel]

Fire pro max

Nah seriously great one 🔥

[tawdry sorrel]

Cloud is preparing to be a purple teamer

[molten bobcat]

Hardly

Defensive style work is my calling

[exotic pendant]

😄

SOC blocked my laptop because I found an RCE in a pentest 🙁

sounds like a no work day (joking)

[tawdry sorrel]

The legend of certifications

[molten bobcat]

Thank you for the psychic damage petals

I will find a way to bring great suffering to you

[carmine pecan]

bring it on

[tawdry sorrel]

Genius record must find you dude @exotic pendant

[tawdry sorrel]

echo "who am I" > /dev/null
Come to me buddy

[supple plume]

echo "hi!" &> /dev/null

[tawdry sorrel]

echo "how are you doing?"

[supple plume]

super cool

I am making a box

I cant share details

[tawdry sorrel]

Wow great

[supple plume]

but I am very focused on it

I had requested 10 days off

to hyperfocus on it

so far 13h a day from January 2nd

[tawdry sorrel]

I think it's quite challenging

[maiden anvil]

@willow magnet there's just something about listening to Limp Bizkit on a portpack that makes the music even more unhinged

[tawdry sorrel]

I'll try to make one too, once I take cwes cpts and cdsa

[chrome tree]

https://tenor.com/view/its-just-one-of-those-days-limp-bizkit-break-stuff-one-of-those-days-gif-25553555

[willow magnet]

That kinda goes hard and I dig it

[exotic pendant]

idk what im doing

im a noob

[tawdry sorrel]

Nice joke 🤣

[acoustic nymph]

hii 🫡

[carmine pecan]

https://developers.slashdot.org/story/26/01/05/1431212/stack-overflow-went-from-200000-monthly-questions-to-nearly-zero?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

that's crazy

[acoustic nymph]

i am facing some issues, when i connect vpn, it connects but the speed is like dead, am i missing something?

[tawdry sorrel]

Ah probably AI is replacing Stack Overflow

[molten bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/clair-obscur-renoir-disappointed-angry-expedition-33-gif-15001990993001924558

[carmine pecan]

yes

[undone fossil]

Thrunter

[molten bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/maelle-stendhal-maelle-stendhal-gif-14331648921741904722

[tawdry sorrel]

I think old-school (stack overflow) is better cus it oblige you to fix your problem yourself with some random people generated hints, not just giving the answer.

[acoustic nymph]

can someone help me? 🙂

[chrome tree]

My buddy is currently making his way through the game and that lady with glaive and verso are dope too

[tawdry sorrel]

Try changing the vpn server, or simply check your wifi speed for any delay

[silver forge]

half of the answers telling your question is incorrect and you should use their favorite technology instead

[molten bobcat]

Sciel!

[silver forge]

there's a REASON why stackoverflow died as soon as any alternative came around

[acoustic nymph]

already did

[molten bobcat]

I like verso a lot

https://tenor.com/view/verso-expedition-33-clair-obscur-dance-gif-15248492407726862297

[chrome tree]

Yes! Her! I like her mechanic too

[molten bobcat]

Yeahh with the fortune telling?

[silver forge]

I probably did 50k points answering golang questions, but jesus the website was bad

[molten bobcat]

I like versos devil may cry style meter haha

[chrome tree]

Yeah! Verso is dope though cause I like how he seems to be focused around parrying. I'm a big souls player so the parrying mechanic is very attractive to me

[tawdry sorrel]

Rest in peace Stack Overflow

[tawdry sorrel]

Try reaching support if nothing works.

[chrome tree]

My buddy is also running roulette so I see him do stupid damage with some of those counters

[distant pebble]

guys urgent fast help

[molten bobcat]

Oh God not roulette haha

[tawdry sorrel]

If you're on tcp vpn server then change it to udp.

[distant pebble]

how is the space full i jsut installed the parrot OS

[molten bobcat]

That's not really an urgent fast help problem

[distant pebble]

when i run df -h

[distant pebble]

nah i mean the answer will probably be brief

[molten bobcat]

We don't know how you installed parrot friend

[tawdry sorrel]

Probably wrong partitioning

[molten bobcat]

So we can't tell you why drive so smol

[acoustic nymph]

also when i started the pwnbox, it didnt spawned and my free instance got used 🙁

[carmine pecan]

Turkojan was peak hacking

[distant pebble]

I assigned 25 gb and its all used somehow

[carmine pecan]

everything after Turkojan kind of just went down a little

[molten bobcat]

That's correct

[tawdry sorrel]

Dm me maybe I can help you out

[molten bobcat]

When you assign a VM space, it allocates that space on your drive as if it's full

[lucid mortar]

hello guys

[tawdry sorrel]

Dm me too let me take a look I'm already bored 🥱

[molten bobcat]

It's not "full of data" that data is just reserved for the VM to use as it's virtual storage

And thus the OS sees it as occupied space.

[tawdry sorrel]

👋

[distant pebble]

oh that makes sense

[terse dirge]

Morning chat

[lucid mortar]

i am new to this community and I'd like to know at what time does tomorrow's event start? it's for a project at uni and we were told to sign in into anything that relates to I.T and this was one of them (Hack the Box)

[carmine pecan]

Events usually happen on Friday bro

relax

[heady sage]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[molten bobcat]

Cube talks is usually at 12pm EST

[lucid mortar]

thank you!^^

[chrome tree]

Left hand side of the discrod app all the way at the top. Events section. Right under banner

[molten bobcat]

Be sure to double check the time in the event as it's probably translated to your TimeZone

[lucid mortar]

I know but i'm new to all of this so i thought it'd be good to ask rather than jump into things i am not familiar to

[molten bobcat]

No worries

[lucid mortar]

thank you^^

[static pasture]

@lucid mortar - to set some expectations, Cube Talks is largley a community driven Q&A to HTB Staff and Volunteers.

There is no set agenda

[molten bobcat]

For now..

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[lucid mortar]

oh okay okay, I get it

[molten bobcat]

@chrome tree thoughts on Esquie?

[chrome tree]

I love that fluffy round bastard. The way he talks I enjoy too

[molten bobcat]

WHEEE!

https://tenor.com/view/esquie-mon-ami-huh-calculating-gif-15072777769569231196

[silver forge]

you could set the agenda to be how nice I am

https://tenor.com/view/orang-utan-orang-utan-driving-orang-utan-nyetir-gif-24512244

[undone fossil]

I set the agenda to discussion of favourite frogs

[molten bobcat]

I like greninja

[chrome tree]

I thought it was really cool how they use him to navigate the world too. Plus his little voice lines when he jumps into the water always get me for some reason. lol

[molten bobcat]

He just likes swimming!

[opal tulip]

Any vbox specialists here? I am having issues with installing guest additions on latest kali prebuilt vm. I did everything on the user guide (https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/topics/guestadditions.html#ct_additions-linux), and i still can't resize the window size. Vbox kernel modules seem to be running but i think the problem is here: VirtualBox Guest Additions: user-land services 7.2.4 r170995 are not running. Any idea?

[static pasture]

You can use /feedback - we used to allow reactions to the posts but people made the reactions political so they were turned off

[molten bobcat]

Oh God.. have you met François?

[terse dirge]

Enable and run those modules. You can also try rebooting your VM

[molten bobcat]

One pissed off turtle

https://tenor.com/view/francois-expedition-33-yelling-rah-clair-obscur-gif-4232028836077634001

[chrome tree]

I haven't but I have seen the guy who steals feet to gain their abilities.

[molten bobcat]

Monoco!!

He de-feets them

😉

https://open.spotify.com/track/0sSJKr7lf8eb1Ej6O3UOQU?si=CP-yPWxER-WH0JE1f_qpBQ

[chrome tree]

So out of pocket but the developers really did an awesome job with the game. It's just so unique and fun it seems

[molten bobcat]

Unique piece of soundtrack that plays in Gestral village for a Gestral who wants you to one shot him

[dusky jacinth]

I aspire to be a math nerd

[vivid flower]

The story of e33's success is really inspiring. Its going to be a case study for how to succeed in the market going forwards

[chrome tree]

I like how they have little competitions where you can face a bunch of them. My buddy went through this one and he got stomped so many times. lol Then he got the rhythm of the attack patterns after so many tries haha

[molten bobcat]

Me too lmaooo

Gestrals love to fight

Winding their attacks back and swinging around like a dark souls enemy trying to bait a dodge

Absolutely disgusting I love it

[vivid flower]

Small all french team that was able to successfully bait investors with a diversity cast that they kill off within the first 30 minutes and tell a really compelling story afterwards, using ai placeholders to speed up development

They pulled a legend of zelda in how they were able to tell a compelling story everyone loves

[molten bobcat]

That's the most vile, racist take I've ever heard about expedition 33 lol

[vivid flower]

Its all true though and they learned it all from youtube tutorials

[chrome tree]

I really want to purchase it but I'm just short on time and money. Plus once I start I won't want to stop and I know I have to get through other things.

So I'm playing it vicariously through my buddy.

[vivid flower]

Director accepted goty award in stereotypical french clothing

Like i said its a case study of how to evade how bad the industry is to give people what they really want. A real trumph of the will

[molten bobcat]

Racist fuck

Lol

[silver forge]

he is right though

[molten bobcat]

No, he's not

Agreeing with him makes you racist as well

I'm more than happy to no longer associate if that's the case lol

[vivid flower]

Literally just read the interviews

[molten bobcat]

Homie just said he's glad that all the diverse characters died and that pretending to put diverse characters in games just to kill them off is a good thing

You actually make me sick lol

Pathetic

[vivid flower]

Nah i didnt say that im saying thats how they got funding initially

[terse dirge]

I'm too tired for this shit today man. Why can't we just enjoy shows instead of complaining about them.

[vivid flower]

All the trailers they put out were of the people who died

[chrome tree]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-francis-of-the-filth-gif-25024831

[silver forge]

it's a fact they pulled the investment exactly like that, stop rage baiting

[vivid flower]

At the initial funding stage

[molten bobcat]

You're fuckin stupid too lmao

[vivid flower]

I actually really like diverse characters when theyre well told like barrett from ff7

[molten bobcat]

I don't feel like interacting with vile shit like this thanks

[terse dirge]

Ikr

[terse dirge]

Fr fr

[obtuse fern]

wrong, there's a gay agenda /s

[upbeat tangle]

i am fuming rn, having to download windows in order to compile a rubeus exe

[terse dirge]

There's premade binaries

[dusky jacinth]

ehehehe

[chrome tree]

I just think the game is great. It's one of the few things that has come out in a long time that I feel hits a lot of great things from originality to great story, and great mechanics. Characters are super likable and just enjoyable to watch develop. I was super sad when that old fart did my man gustav dirty. I'm sure there's something down the line with him later but I was like, who is this gustav 2.0 when verso came around. The quickly liked him.

[upbeat tangle]

i could not find any version 3.5

[terse dirge]

You may also be able to compile it using mono

[vivid flower]

https://github.com/r3motecontrol/Ghostpack-CompiledBinaries you can use these but they may flag edr

[upbeat tangle]

that version is OLD

gsm dont function

its like version 2.x something

[vivid flower]

Well maybe someone else is compiling them

[upbeat tangle]

im going to rate this box 1 star once i finish

eww

[dusky jacinth]

just put the zip on the box

then unzip

idk

yeah

https://github.com/GhostPack/Rubeus/releases/tag/1.6.4 Are you looking for .NET 3.5 compatible or rubeus 3.5?

[chrome tree]

I fired the DM and quickly got shot down. All good though, feel free to send FR if you want, C1oud.

[dusky jacinth]

Cause that looks to me like what you are looking for. You should be able to get the zip on you attacker, then transfer to target

[molten bobcat]

We have to be friends first

[obtuse fern]

cloud is aggressively demanding friendship, cancel him

[exotic pendant]

Friday-1

[dusky jacinth]

It's thursday

😨

[obtuse fern]

yeah Friday-1

[dusky jacinth]

wait how do I do to the power of in md

[vivid flower]

Oh hey @exotic pendant i sent you a dm earlier (disregard if youve already read it)

[dusky jacinth]

week = [monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, sunday]
today = week[4] - 1

print("fuck you")

[silver forge]

frosto ignored my previous message, too. what a meanie

[obtuse fern]

compile error, mixing string and int

[dusky jacinth]

ready for prod 😎

[obtuse fern]

vibe coded to prod

[carmine pecan]

vibe prod

[vivid flower]

Many such cases

[storm condor]

Hola

what does Vibe coding mean

[dusky jacinth]

we code off only vibes

whatever you want man

[zealous charm]

good vibes only

[dusky jacinth]

just vibes

I mean it can really be any vibe, but as long as its vibes only

[rapid badger]

Its the programming equivalent of "let go of the wheel and let Jesus drive"

[thick forge]

aliens guys its all about aliens

[chrome tree]

[silver forge]

I take back what I said about frosto. He is cool, handsome, and smart

[thick forge]

i dont have nitro yet

:aaaaaa:

i go in the season 3 of startrek

[gray wraith]

Anyone thinks otherwise?

[thick forge]

pedro pedro pedro

[chrome tree]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-raccoon-raccoon-in-a-circle-silly-raccooon-dancing-raccoon-gif-402674747635664052

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-drinking-beer-raccoon-meme-raccoon-beer-raccoon-drinking-raccoon-gif-11108347521867034834

[silver forge]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-16610728335665831769

[upbeat tangle]

pedro is everywhere

[molten bobcat]

My broccoli is too hot

[upbeat tangle]

lets dance cloud

[molten bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/bring-it-on-kuzco-lama-gif-16822682

[upbeat tangle]

what kind of dance do you wanna do

jiu jitsu? xD

[molten bobcat]

Monty Python style dueling?

[upbeat tangle]

How do they duel?

[molten bobcat]

It's actually a rule set for sword fighting

Monty Python Rules

If you get touched in a limb, that limb is cut off

[upbeat tangle]

im a terrible swordsman

[molten bobcat]

And have to put it behind your back

You lose when you lose 2 body parts

So if you get hit in the leg, you drag your leg or lift it up

[silver forge]

I'd bring .44 magnum into that fight

[upbeat tangle]

so hit both legs and i have to faceplant the floor

[molten bobcat]

Nah you just lose

Cuz that's 2 limbs haha

[upbeat tangle]

its funnier my way

[molten bobcat]

I mean sure if you wanna black knight it

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-just-a-flesh-wound-kicked-flesh-wound-wound-gif-12275696

[upbeat tangle]

haha

[dusky jacinth]

fr dude

[upbeat tangle]

FeelsBadMan

[dusky jacinth]

i got CHUBBY this winter

I gotta get my life together

[molten bobcat]

I've lost weight cuz I keep getting sick reee

[dusky jacinth]

yeah most of my family has been getting sick too

flu?

[molten bobcat]

Nah I just have a baby tummy

[dusky jacinth]

valid

[molten bobcat]

I'm doin fine

[wanton dock]

my family makes pastries and i can't control myself when i wake up, i ate close to a dozen cookies and a few cinnamon rolls

that's basically all my calories for the day and i know i'm gonna be hungry xd

[gray wraith]

If u work out its fine

[molten bobcat]

Man not the pastries..

God love baking and partries

[dusky jacinth]

i''m aware

thanks for the input

[molten bobcat]

Teim he's being nice

No sass from u

!!

[wanton dock]

i gotta start cooking healthy meals for myself tbh

i want to meal prep so i don't eat whatever is in the refrigerator

i feel kind of weird living at home at 20

[molten bobcat]

I do that with chicken and broccoli

[proud moth]

i might have found my favourite philosophical argument of all time

[wanton dock]

chicken W

[vivid flower]

Just fill your fridge with healthy food

[limber wharf]

im 20 and im at home too bro, just train mma and fight you'll be okay

[proud moth]

https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil308/Singer2.pdf

[wanton dock]

my dad doesn't like cooking healthy meals he just eats whatever is the easiest to make, whatever is of habit

[dusky jacinth]

I'm gonna meal prep this weekend for once

[molten bobcat]

I went back home at 20 so I get it

[dusky jacinth]

I had to move back in at 21

[molten bobcat]

My dad can't cook to save his life

[dusky jacinth]

I'm still here

[wanton dock]

idk if i should regret not going to university, like, i just know my family would have to take some kind of loan

can't really help but feel guilty about something like that

[limber wharf]

financial aid???

[wanton dock]

i enjoyed taking college courses in high school

[molten bobcat]

I went on the pell grant

[wanton dock]

we don't qualify

and i didn't get any scholarships

[limber wharf]

damn im sorry bro

[wanton dock]

it's allg

[molten bobcat]

You can't put your own tax information on your FAFSA until you're 25

[wanton dock]

one of my classmates had to wait until 25 to get financial aid i remember them telling me

we're going to dinner on saturday to a korean bbq place

[dusky jacinth]

KBBQ is awesome

[wanton dock]

i'm not exactly thrilled about it cuz i kinda like staying inside xd

[dusky jacinth]

nah man

have a good time

food is good

forget about inside

[wanton dock]

i'll try xd

[limber wharf]

does anyone know where i can sell my cyber security projects/tools? i've been taken off ebay unfortunately

[molten bobcat]

I uh

[dusky jacinth]

brother what

[molten bobcat]

I don't think that's a valid way of making money lol

[limber wharf]

bro trust

[molten bobcat]

I don't sorry

[dusky jacinth]

my interests are peaked

[limber wharf]

it works

[vivid flower]

Hackforums marketplace would be the obvious place but make sure what you are selling doesnt violate the law

[wanton dock]

i mean people generally use open-source or freemium tools when they're doing legitimate work i'd assume

[molten bobcat]

"it works" can also be said about pedaling a bicycle with triangle wheels

[limber wharf]

i have deauthers and ble jammers

[dusky jacinth]

ah I see

[molten bobcat]

That's a felony

[dusky jacinth]

yeah I'm good

keep 10 ft away from me please

[limber wharf]

but im only selling to other students and they have to sign my agreement

[vivid flower]

Oh no airodump is a felony guys

[tawdry sorrel]

Mr scammer

[gray wraith]

Np., when I bulked a gain bunch of fat

[limber wharf]

am i fd

[gray wraith]

I added 17kgs

[dusky jacinth]

100%

[limber wharf]

damn

[molten bobcat]

Interfering with radio communication

Is a felony

Please do not do this

[vivid flower]

Not the tool itself

[limber wharf]

its only a felony if u use it on things you dont have permission

[vivid flower]

This

[dusky jacinth]

yeah but if someone uses it and you don't have the proper licensing in place to distribute you can be affiliated

[molten bobcat]

Tyc is uneducated, please listen, you have no way of controlling the spread of the radio waves unless you're performing the jamming in a radio proof room homie

[limber wharf]

thats why i have a contract stating im not liable

[vivid flower]

Otherwise it would be illegal to sell wireless cards capable of doing packet injection

[dusky jacinth]

Is it legally binding?

[molten bobcat]

It's a legal grey area you're skirting and it's not great

[dusky jacinth]

It doesn't sound like it is if you were taken down from E-bay homie

I'd halt operation fs

[vivid flower]

I used to market grey hat software on hf i know the law very well. C1oud is an armchair suck analyst

[limber wharf]

understandable, im a broke cs student it was fun while it lasted

[molten bobcat]

Way better to just get a decent job

[dusky jacinth]

sometimes you gotta work in a call center brodie

[vivid flower]

This is true

[zealous charm]

mcdonalds starts at $18/hr in some US states

[limber wharf]

nahhhhhhhhhhh

[dusky jacinth]

L take

[limber wharf]

i make money off my fights too

[dusky jacinth]

really L take

[molten bobcat]

I worked in a McDonald's and wiped human asses for a living for years brother

[limber wharf]

just not a lot

[flint copper]

that's what a lot of help desk is paying that I'm seeing

[dusky jacinth]

yeah get a job brodie

don't do illegal shi

[vivid flower]

My suggestion m8 if you really have a legit tool is hit up someone like kornisdesign on hf and have him make you a cool thread design, post in marketplace and pay some people to vouch at least the first few pages

[flint copper]

In fact I still have idiots reaching out to me, systems engineer, asking if I'm interested in a help desk role paying said $18 an hour

[molten bobcat]

I get asked to be a mailman

[dusky jacinth]

I get 22 from my support position

[zealous charm]

There's a market for pro tools, you can look into:
KnoXSS, burp bounty pro, any of the pro C2s, jswzl, jsmon.sh, iscan.today, etc.

[dusky jacinth]

it depends where youre at tbh

[molten bobcat]

Last I did the math I'm at $43?

[dusky jacinth]

mmm

I think more?

[molten bobcat]

An hour

[dusky jacinth]

you make more than double my "salary"

[molten bobcat]

I did the math for the rate

[dusky jacinth]

ig it depends on your "hourly" though

if it's just 40 or more

[flint copper]

Right now I'm at $40 until they promote me to senior

[molten bobcat]

No clue I don't recall

[dusky jacinth]

pentesting?

[wanton dock]

i might try to get a job in a warehouse but i'm really keen on getting a job in entry level IT instead, idrk what i'm doing

[dusky jacinth]

try and do that

do that until you've exhausted your options

unless you desperately need a job

[flint copper]

System engineer

[dusky jacinth]

then you gotta do what you gotta do

[dusky jacinth]

Nice

[flint copper]

With most companies I think it goes like

[dusky jacinth]

IT systems or like embedded

[vivid flower]

A lot of grey hat software like that is legal to sell if it has a plausible use, the ones you really should avoid are targeted softwares that only have a malicious purpose, things like booters/web stressors, crypters and RATs

[flint copper]

System analyst > administrator > engineer> senior engineer

[flint copper]

No it's just Linux admin stuff

[dusky jacinth]

I would be considered just an analyst in your terms

[flint copper]

Cause no one knows how to do it for some reason

But it's job security so

[dusky jacinth]

Valid valid

[vivid flower]

Or like, a cred stuffer that only works on facebook. Actually ive seen people sell those too and not get in trouble but i personally wouldn't

[dusky jacinth]

I got total war warhammer 3

[vivid flower]

Stick to things that could arguably be used legitimately and you should not have problems

[dusky jacinth]

we gonna see if its true what they say

[pearl zodiac]

yo do the mods/devs know that the season rank in the main page UI is bugged?

it shows the rank for Season 1 instead of the latest

i think

[vivid flower]

Fun fact a lot of software sold on hf is the same crappy tools being repackaged with new UI and backdoors

Every RAT is literally just darkcomet

[mystic harbor]

[vivid flower]

Anyone who tries to build a botnet using hf tools will get all their slaves stolen

[flint copper]

real

[upbeat tangle]

build a botnet with AI teddybears from temu!

And then you jailbreak them all, making them rude and obnoxius

[dusky jacinth]

or mine bitcoin with all of them

[vivid flower]

The mirai botnet was a bunch of vcr's and smart thermostats all using default creds for the same ancient version of busybox

[dusky jacinth]

or try and use the backdoor the CCP has most definitely left in

Do you guys ever get frustrated when wanting to learn something, but are stuck learning other stuff

that's how I feel today

[fiery copper]

hello nerds

[upbeat tangle]

Mee too teim

[vivid flower]

Yeah sometimes i feel like if i focus on one thing i forget something else half done. Its a struggle to keep my marbles together.

[molten bobcat]

I'm currently having to explain to a client that a logon failure is not a malicious event by itself

[upbeat tangle]

i feel like i have wasted 3 hours on a detour

[dusky jacinth]

ma'am, you were the one who logged in and failed.

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah for me rn I am trying to complete my course work, but a big part of me wants to just let my ADHD go balls to the wall and just learn whatever

[vivid flower]

Ive just gotta finish my breakfast i have like 2 certs worth of studies i havent passed the test for simply bc retakes cost money and my priorities keep changing

[dusky jacinth]

Like I really wanna learn red teaming, but yknow I gotta get my foundations in order first

[subtle plover]

No its bad

[vivid flower]

Try and finish cpts or oscp

[dusky jacinth]

yeah that's the goal

I'm just antsy

[vivid flower]

Im almost half through crto now

[molten bobcat]

You'll do fine

It's about building comfortable familiarity

So just do it over and over until you can do it in your sleep

[vivid flower]

Im finding out a lot of it is review once you have cpts more stuff comes easier

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah I definitely need to spend more time practicing

[vivid flower]

I feel like im becoming dumber over time

[dusky jacinth]

gonna def abuse that VIP+ sub

[dusky jacinth]

recently, me too. I need to get uncomfortable and push myself again

why do you say that though?

[vivid flower]

Its those deep obsessive nights when the magic happens

Im just not taking as good care of myself as i should be

[rapid badger]

If you are not chainsmoking until 4am, are you even trying ?

[undone fossil]

So real

[vivid flower]

I'm constantly trying to wring more performance out of myself but losing weight conflicts with that

I end up gaining from stress

[dusky jacinth]

🪿

[upbeat tangle]

i actually feel like starting smoking now

[vivid flower]

I cant just do keto all the time and not deal with brain fog or feeling depleted all the time

When i was doing oscp i had to do nofap for months just to focus all the time and now im like denying my gf to conserve my Jing

I was at least making progress with fitness then i just wasnt cutting

Cutting and studying sucks

Does anyone have any advice for that actually

[rapid badger]

Embrace the suck 😄

[vivid flower]

I keep having to choose between like going to sleep hungry/mentally tired or pounding an energy drink that instantly puts me back in the zone

[vivid flower]

But then i slowly get fat on my body

[vivid flower]

Thank you sunshine

[upbeat tangle]

You should add to that list o the redditor that they love to assert dominance over the internet

[dusky jacinth]

isnt that just NPD

[vivid flower]

Yes

[upbeat tangle]

i was thinking about reddit mods

I get banned as soon i enter in reddit and comment something

its just small pepe energy in there

[proud moth]

i have all of these except

• i don't have problematic relationships, i have none
• i don't have an inflated self-worth, i have none
• i don't know what SSRI is, i thought that was called SSRF

[vivid flower]

Those guys are so afraid of their own shadows to the point that even well meaning normies get banned now

Ssris are antisepressants

[molten bobcat]

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor

It's depression and anxiety medication

[dusky jacinth]

That last one is really funny

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but either way it was funny

[vivid flower]

Ngl i might be kind of narcissistic 💅 i will let others be the judge

But only because i think its funny

[dusky jacinth]

we're all a lil narcissistic

[proud moth]

well i do have zero self worth, but non-zero relationships

altough it's extraordinarily difficult for me to have those relationships without being absolutely scared shitless

[vivid flower]

Dont say that man

[upbeat tangle]

So i am the outlier here because i dont dislike myself?

Seems like having selfworth in the toilet is the norm

[dusky jacinth]

I like myself, just not all my actions

[proud moth]

once you accept you are worth nothing, you are free from your own delusions of liking / disliking yourself

you just do things

[vivid flower]

Deeply held insecurity seems to be a common thread amongst high achievers

[dusky jacinth]

I had to do some self reflection and change the way I looked at myself

[upbeat tangle]

like mindlessly flailing your arms while screaming

[dusky jacinth]

there's always a lot of shame I think especially in men, but no exclusively

[fiery copper]

takes an expert to know one

[proud moth]

yeah well, there is no panic once you give away your worth

you can't be screaming

[vivid flower]

That is true and just the same i hope you dont hate yourself

[fiery copper]

yo are my favourite unc

[dusky jacinth]

and instead of falling deeper into regret, which is a waste of energy. I had to tell myself "no, I'm not a bad person. But, I am no proud of my actions. I must hop back on the horse and work to be better"

[upbeat tangle]

UNCLE MANIAC

[proud moth]

you also can't be hurt by people any longer, in general anything in life feels just lighter

[vivid flower]

I used to hate myself more than i do now

[molten bobcat]

Usually i just try to understand those in my life who have hurt me, why they have hurt me, and to understand that the pain I felt shouldn't ever be passed on

[proud moth]

for example there's literally nothing somebody could tell me to insult me, because I already have thought all of those things probably

[fiery copper]

make other people hate you instead

[molten bobcat]

I have a large number of examples in my life of "what not to do"

[fiery copper]

example 1: do not make others life worse

[obtuse fern]

best to submit /feedback or reach out to support

[upbeat tangle]

Thats a long list

[vivid flower]

What about people youve hurt

Ive definitely hurt people in my life

[upbeat tangle]

Sex, drugs and rock n roll guys

[fiery copper]

I have a short list of examples in my life of "what not to do":

[molten bobcat]

Not things like that it's moreso just

Concepts like racism never clicked for me

[proud moth]

Sex, drugs, and linux 64 bit heap exploitation

[obtuse fern]

what not to do -> racism

[proud moth]

actually forget about the first two, just do linux 64 bit heap exploitation

[dusky jacinth]

make it windows and you got me

[fiery copper]

nr. 1: Exist. (thats all)

[proud moth]

you have accidentally uncovered one of the largest rabbit holes in ethics with this message

[molten bobcat]

When I was little I was taught to respectful of differences sure but I never see the reasoning behind why people hated each other for things like "my skin is this color"

[upbeat tangle]

dont name that operative systems, EWWW disgust. takes FOREVER to install something

[fiery copper]

Depending on the racism it can either be lame or the worst horrible stuff.

[dusky jacinth]

I didn't name it cause I liked it (it's honeslty fine), I mentioned it cause it deserves to be exploited

[molten bobcat]

It's one of those things that I can't genuinely experience myself because, well, I haven't experienced it myself

[upbeat tangle]

@dusky jacinth First 35 minutes i spent installing windows on the VM, now im spending another 30 minutes installing visual studio. windows is so garbonzo

[fiery copper]

I do not think that someone saying racist stuff is bad, what I think is bad is when someone does racist actions.

[molten bobcat]

I disagree

[dusky jacinth]

bruh add more mem

to your VM

[molten bobcat]

Why would you be okay with saying something that upset someone?

[dusky jacinth]

saying something is an action

[fiery copper]

well I am not, Im just saying making someone isnt bad but is uncomfortable

[dusky jacinth]

feel free to disagree, but if you say something hateful you've done something hateful

[upbeat tangle]

polishing a turd, its still a turd

[vivid flower]

Thats because it isnt about that. It's about what aristotle called philia, a love of one's people, being neccessary for stable societies, and people who in a rush to grab what they can, negate the right to life of others.

[fiery copper]

also there is a difference between targetting and just saying random shit, most people just say random shit

[dusky jacinth]

LOL

[supple plume]

Gagahah

[obtuse fern]

someone saying racist things is doing something racist

hope this helps

[fiery copper]

I think context matters more

[dusky jacinth]

It logically doesn't

[molten bobcat]

If you're a comedian on stage, go ahead and let the race jokes fly

Who cares

[fiery copper]

Nah, I dont think racist jokes are funny

[molten bobcat]

In all other contexts outside of friends and jokes no I don't think it's cool to just say racist shit to people lol

[vivid flower]

You will find that the most hateful and racist people on the internet are the same ones doing the grabbing

[fiery copper]

I think if you wanna be funny you can do some other jokes

[obtuse fern]

there is no amount of context that can make someone say something racist be any frame of good or not negative

[fiery copper]

well ye thats what I refer usually

[dusky jacinth]

It's just up to personal interpretation

[proud moth]

interesting consequence of having zero self-worth is that you can be friends with anybody, including racist people

[dusky jacinth]

you can be offended or not

up to you ig

[molten bobcat]

I just think of it like "hey, if you said this in front of a child of the target ethnicity would you be a monster?"

[vivid flower]

I used to laugh at racist jokes being a 4chan user but i have recognized that black humor is something that taints a persons soul and makes you cynical and lose credibility so i have distanced myself from it

[fiery copper]

yes

[molten bobcat]

Ding ding ding

Good queue to not say it then lmao

[dusky jacinth]

warhammer time

[molten bobcat]

People deserve a basic, default level of kindness and understanding

[fiery copper]

anyway I think people that judge people based on race are genuinely low iq

[molten bobcat]

All people

[quartz stratus]

yo somebody know what things i need learn to begin in pentesting?

[molten bobcat]

Correct

[west lynx]

Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible

[dusky jacinth]

take CPTS

[molten bobcat]

Check this out

[fiery copper]

But I think that judging people based on culture to be debatable

but I wont go in detail here, this is a hacking server, not a debate one

[molten bobcat]

Eh just because a person is of a culture doesn't mean they support it either

Person by person basis

[fiery copper]

that is also another layer

[molten bobcat]

Broad generalizations are a bad thing

[vivid flower]

Ill meet you halfway and say yes but they dont deserve implicit trust

[molten bobcat]

Yeh, it's definitely a nuanced issue

[fiery copper]

that is also good

[fiery copper]

only ones that deserve trust are yourself, and sometimes not even you

[proud moth]

i like the "nazi friend" problem, would you have a nazi friend? why or why not?

[fiery copper]

and maybe your family

[molten bobcat]

God no

[upbeat tangle]

"Not all X do X" el classico

[fiery copper]

Hmm, pretty difficult, is that person a genuine nazi or is just joking?

[upbeat tangle]

Insert whatevet you want in the X's

[proud moth]

genuine nazi

[fiery copper]

Then no.

[proud moth]

i find this an interesting question because i don't know two people that give the same reasoning as of why or why not

[molten bobcat]

Yeah I'm not down with white supremacy in the slightest, read a book

[fiery copper]

Im not down with any supremacy

[upbeat tangle]

Not even clanker supremacy?

[proud moth]

ah cool, you are in the ideologist camp

[molten bobcat]

I specifically say white because it has a rough history in the US

[vivid flower]

Have either of you guys read the talmud? Its about jewish supremacy

[fiery copper]

and I say any supremacy cuz any race was a slave at some point

and not only whites had slaves

[rapid badger]

Glad you guys are pushing the boundaries with hot takes like " racism bad"

[vivid flower]

Thats like the uno reverse card people dont really understand about why a lot of this arguing is unproductive

[upbeat tangle]

[molten bobcat]

The US has a pretty long and detailed history of.. only owning a specific color of person.

[fiery copper]

didnt Koreans have the longest period of slavery?

[molten bobcat]

This is

A tangent

[vivid flower]

In fact c1oud and i agree on pretty much everything he's just too tsundere to admit it

[molten bobcat]

And a half

[fiery copper]

ye but Im not a US citizen thats why I specificied any supremacy

[dusky jacinth]

how did we get here again

[molten bobcat]

Fair

[upbeat tangle]

Guys, i am mixed race. Should i then identify as everything?

[dusky jacinth]

yes

you'll get better tax write offs

[molten bobcat]

Whatever the vibe calls for I suppose

[fiery copper]

you identify as a shawarma of identities

[vivid flower]

Idk man brath is a mix and he told me he identifies as what he is mostly (scottish)

[molten bobcat]

Delicious..?

[flint copper]

I have

[vivid flower]

Up to you

[fiery copper]

if you love multiculturalism sure

[obtuse fern]

i mean multiracial people are allowed to identify with the races and ethnicities that they feel connected with.

[upbeat tangle]

i never really cared about identity politics, i usually just makes jokes about the whole thing xD

[proud moth]

I identify as a confused blob

[molten bobcat]

I mean that's how we got so many tasty food

[proud moth]

matter of fact i might be the most confused mf ever to exist

[vivid flower]

Im half british and half irish so i identify with both and larp as an ulster loyalist to mess with irish friends

[molten bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-tolerance-day-tolerance-day-tolerate-great-american-melting-pot-no-ban-no-wall-gif-10251039

THE GREAT AMERICAN MELTING POT 🎶

[upbeat tangle]

identity politics has always been pushed in the media lately to divide and conquer the population

[fiery copper]

My stance on multiculturalism is that immigrants should be allowed but the immigrants should follow the country`s culture, not shape it.

is it too much of a statement or an average one?

[proud moth]

https://tenor.com/view/gothic-girl-goth-girl-catgirl-neko-cat-ears-gif-18564136

[molten bobcat]

They can have their own culture and bring it with them sure but they can't force it on others, thats obviously too far

[vivid flower]

I think thats rational but it would probably get you punched nowadays

[rapid badger]

I dont descriminate in my hatred 😉

[proud moth]

@marble tinsel i hereby summon you with this goth gif

[fiery copper]

ye like that

[obtuse fern]

I agree, identity politics is just a dumb hill to die on. I don't care what you are, I just care if you aren't an asshole

[molten bobcat]

And to be clear, them celebrating their holidays isn't what I consider "shoving it down our throats" lol

[fiery copper]

Depends

[obtuse fern]

you mean people can celebrate their holidays in their own homes and it's not shoving it down our throats

[molten bobcat]

But you'll see a lot of that. People see one taco truck and declare the country overrun with immigrants

[proud moth]

I personally identify as a M777 Howitzer: A lightweight, towed 155mm field artillery piece used by the U.S. Army and Marine Corps.

[obtuse fern]

or in a predominantly x ethnicity community they celebrate a holiday related to their culture?

[gray wraith]

You guys identify with something?

[flint copper]

I identify as thermite.

[gray wraith]

I never had any sense of identity

[obtuse fern]

this is a shitty joke and comes off as transphobic just as an fyi

[meager kernel]

lmao i found it funny

[molten bobcat]

I identify as a friend

[obtuse fern]

it's a tired old joke that is only ever RARELY funny, and requires context to actually have any bit of humor

[flint copper]

That's why you're happy in life

[vivid flower]

Thats not how it is man look at the somali fraud situation in minneapolis

[fiery copper]

I personally I think it goes wrong when the government starts making it official in a country, but I think it would be great if its celebrated in minority communities and government invents in such events instead.

[meager kernel]

i found it funny tbh

[obtuse fern]

like i've seen some genuinely funny 'i identify as' jokes

[proud moth]

but shitty jokes are my specialty what are you talking about

[obtuse fern]

cool; are you trans?

[molten bobcat]

Unsure what the correct balance would be

[meager kernel]

no, but i can find jokes funny

[obtuse fern]

then you can't decide what a community finds offensive

[molten bobcat]

I'm definitely not a student of sociology or city construction or anything useful towards that problem

[obtuse fern]

you can find it funny and I can find it offensive

[fiery copper]

the correct balance would be that the citizens born in said country are first, and immigrants are second but both are respected the same

if you get what I mean

[meager kernel]

i didnt say what you can and cant find offensive
i just said I found it funny

[vivid flower]

This is also something discussed openly in spanish speaking circles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_of_San_Diego

[obtuse fern]

If someone from a community says that something is offensive, you should take time to reflect on that instead of just going 'well i found it funny'

[proud moth]

trying to use logic against autism, very bold

won't work I think

[upbeat tangle]

Most things i find funny is offensive these days 90s humour is my burden

[obtuse fern]

???? Autism?

[molten bobcat]

This.. isn't autism

[meager kernel]

anyway

[fiery copper]

I heard that joke soo much it isnt funny anymore and I dont even like LGBT

[molten bobcat]

?

Why do you feel the need to say you don't like us buddy

[fiery copper]

Im straight, I dont like to support stuff I dont do

[molten bobcat]

????

[obtuse fern]

you wanna stand on that hill of not liking the LGBT? 🤨 Because if so I can just remove you

[molten bobcat]

That's not how being straight works but okay buddy lol

[fiery copper]

not that way

[obtuse fern]

you can be straight and support the lgbt community LMAO

[flint copper]

I understand why they call us goyim now after reading this chat for a while

[meager kernel]

i dont think he said hes againt LGBT
he just said he doesnt like it

[flint copper]

And you all literally are

[fiery copper]

I didnt say that I dislike, I just said that I dont like

[vivid flower]

I know man we eat our own

[meager kernel]

those things are different

[fiery copper]

Im neutral about it

[molten bobcat]

Are you trying to say "I don't like guys" lmao

[obtuse fern]

in many cases, those are synonymous, hence the clarification

[fiery copper]

I believe LGBT should have equal rights but I dont align with the idea

[molten bobcat]

?????

[meager kernel]

@fiery copper are you actively against LGBT people and their rights?

[meager kernel]

^

[molten bobcat]

Please understand the first part of your sentence contradicts the last part?

[obtuse fern]

what does 'don't align with the idea' mean

[molten bobcat]

What the hell do you mean brother

[vivid flower]

People care more about their lifestyle copes at other peoples expense than they do about their overall welfare or sense of personal duty

[fiery copper]

did I say that? I only said that I dont align with the community, I think I can support their rights without aligning to the community

[obtuse fern]

like... are you just saying that you're not queer

your wording isn't helping you Mario

[molten bobcat]

Like yeah are you just saying you're not gay

Because you don't HAVE to be gay to support equal rights lmao

[obtuse fern]

This is why people are questioning you LOL

[vivid flower]

But the twist is like lgbt stuff isnt even that bad of a thing if you just see it as a behaviour instead of an identity

[molten bobcat]

You don't even have to like gay things

[vivid flower]

Ive done plenty of gay stuff in the past and indeed historically this was normal in a lot of societies

We can all get along if we all just see it like that

[fiery copper]

I think there is a difference between not aligning to a group and hating it

[rapid badger]

[proud moth]

i am very supportive of LGBT but I still laugh like a mf when i see the extended acronyms like 2SLGBTQQIA+

[obtuse fern]

WE ARE ASKING WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN BY NOT ALIGNING

[flint copper]

Some guy in a small hat is literally rubbing his hands reading this shit

[proud moth]

especially when I see the 2-Spirited one, it sounds like an elden ring class or something

[flint copper]

ugh

[molten bobcat]

Mwehehe

[fiery copper]

like when you are in a war and you choose to be the neutral party

[molten bobcat]

That's the little evil laugh

[molten bobcat]

???

[obtuse fern]

and that's anti-indigenous; 2-spirit is an indigenous american identity.

[fiery copper]

thats what I mean

[molten bobcat]

Your answer to the question "is gay okay?" Is "I'm Switzerland"

[vivid flower]

Its really i think its like the obstinance of saying like youll never be anything else and that youll always fight about it that makes people worried

[molten bobcat]

I need you to understand help me

[rapid badger]

Bro is switzerland, but for gay people

[proud moth]

wait come on marcie what the hell are you talking about now

[molten bobcat]

Help

[fiery copper]

I think its ok for you, but not for me

[molten bobcat]

THATS CALLED BEING STRAIGHT YOU GOOFBALL

[fiery copper]

if you wanna be gay be, but I dont wanna, is it complicated?

[molten bobcat]

NO LMAO

[vivid flower]

That and forcing it on kids

[fiery copper]

THATS WHAT I AM LITERALLY SAYING

[molten bobcat]

THANK YOU FOR FINALLY CLARIFYING

YOURE TOTALLY FINE LMAO

[obtuse fern]

The indigenous peoples identity of two-spirit came before the rest of the identities. This is why it's at the forefront of the acronym

[molten bobcat]

Your initial comments made it sound like "I support gay people, but I don't want them around me"

[obtuse fern]

jesus fucking christ you played all that word dodgeball because you wanted to sound cooler or smarter

[fiery copper]

nah I just have adhd

[proud moth]

what the hell does this even mean

[molten bobcat]

So do I you gremlin

[vivid flower]

So like anyone wanna join me in seeing it as a behaviour or an appetite or do yall just want to yell at each other

[obtuse fern]

that's not an excuse

[fiery copper]

ye mbad

[molten bobcat]

Ez

We can move on now

[obtuse fern]

maybe do some research instead of just dismissing things that you don't understand

[molten bobcat]

But yeah two spirit is for native Americans

[vivid flower]

Because arguing with internet strangers is dumb and i wish yall would calm down

[molten bobcat]

As in, the indigenous people of the Americas

[proud moth]

yeah but...why is two-spirited or whatever that means in the LBGT community?

[molten bobcat]

It's not

They just so happen

To also be gay

So they threw it into their profile lmao

[proud moth]

what

[obtuse fern]

It's a closed practice within the Indigenous community that doesn't adhere to the western idea of the gender binary

[molten bobcat]

It's less of a big deal

[fiery copper]

tbh before I did have bad opinions about LGBT but the more I grew I realised that they are people the more I interacted with the community, but cant say that I want to be part of it or ally, just like I dont wanna be a Christian because Im agnostic

[obtuse fern]

@molten bobcat you're actually so incredulously wrong

[rapid badger]

What do native americans have to do with gay issues ?
thats why people dont take this seriously, just the facts

[fiery copper]

I used to be a young fool before 🙁

[molten bobcat]

Huh?

[proud moth]

marcie are you on drugs or something

[obtuse fern]

two-spirit is an indigenous american identity, they can be straight and two-spirit

[molten bobcat]

Ah

[vivid flower]

They got you arguing about identity politics instead of things that actually matter

[molten bobcat]

Wait so I was right

[obtuse fern]

the reason it's included is because it doesn't adhere to the western ideology of a gender binary

[molten bobcat]

I just said "they just happen to also be gay"

[obtuse fern]

which isn't always the case; if someone is then sure

[molten bobcat]

Because I was pointing out that two spirit and the LGBT aren't really involved lol

[flint copper]

I'm so glad I don't understand any of this

I don't want to

[vivid flower]

That ideology isnt western the talmud has 8 genders