general

[sharp shuttle]

Lmfao

Merry Christmas!

[upbeat tangle]

Thats not how it works in here ungabunga!

[eternal mango]

https://academy.hackthebox.com/course/preview/android-fundamentals

[pastel valve]

why? i need some help cant i ask like that?

i dont need any course

[sharp shuttle]

Imagine coming here to bother us and getting good advice. You are doomed to chatgpt psychosis my man

[eternal mango]

Of course you can, but I mean Frida is very powerful. What exactly are you looking for?

[pastel valve]

ik frida is good

i love frida too

[sharp shuttle]

All APK pentesting is MobSF and Frida what do you need to know

[pastel valve]

i wanna hire

ill pay 1000$

[sharp shuttle]

hire?...

[pastel valve]

yeah?

[supple plume]

1k for what

[pastel valve]

check ur dm

[heady sage]

You’re gonna seriously hire someone to do what you can do yourself

[sharp shuttle]

sir im 200 an hour minimum, that pentest report isnt even worth the 1000

[pastel valve]

idk much bout apk pentesting

[zealous charm]

companionship

[sharp shuttle]

name checks out

[heady sage]

True but you could learn it

[supple plume]

You said nothing just wave

[pastel valve]

i dont have the time to learn!! i need a job to be done!! and im paying good mount for it

[sharp shuttle]

sign me up!

[supple plume]

Tell me

[heady sage]

You’ll get no help here

[austere sinew]

Something about someone with a beer belly, autism, no showering in three days, likely wearing cat ears just does it for this guy I guess

[sharp shuttle]

ffs wolo, i have feeling you know

i wear the cat ears for your enjoyment

[zealous charm]

are you describing defcon?

[austere sinew]

You forgot the maid outfit smh

[austere sinew]

Exactamundo

[upbeat tangle]

oh jeez cat ears

[sharp shuttle]

defcon would include gimp suits

[sharp shuttle]

again just for your enjoyment

[pastel valve]

if anyone want 1000$ or more can dm me

[sharp shuttle]

in google play gift cards per chance?

[heady sage]

@eternal mango soliciting isn’t allowed here right?

[eternal mango]

No it's not, please hold

[austere sinew]

Ungabunga

[upbeat tangle]

DO NOT REEDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

[austere sinew]

Your name is very fitting

[sharp shuttle]

thats what im saying

[austere sinew]

Fr I want 10000

[austere sinew]

And it’s only a nessus scan

[eternal mango]

Ok I'll do it

[sharp shuttle]

wolo you should consider acquiring pay pig, very easy for a woman of your intellect

[pastel valve]

i have to pt an app !! whoever can do it will get 1000$

[supple plume]

It's a scam

[heady sage]

Lmao

[west lynx]

echoesofwhoami (1383455717561733181) has been banned until 2094-12-08 21:23:45 (UTC).

[pastel valve]

how?

[eternal mango]

Uhh

WHAT

[austere sinew]

Bold of yo- WHAT

WHAT

[eternal mango]

FUCK NO

That's not the user I selected!!!!

[austere sinew]

[upbeat tangle]

What did you do

[alpine pumice]

g0blin leave the modding to the mods

[heady sage]

Misfire

[sharp shuttle]

this reaction was meant for anybody but you to have

[eternal mango]

I would if someone was here

Fuckit bye

[austere sinew]

UNBAN ECHOES NOW

@untold fiber do your job

[sharp shuttle]

is it? to me i felt it would reveal the discord simps

[upbeat tangle]

#FREEECHOES

[alpine pumice]

someone dm him to rejoin (if he wants)

[sharp shuttle]

Echoes bout to have to reverify

ah i see, we all have our secrets

[eternal mango]

It's already been done, was 💯 not my intention

[alpine pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[eternal mango]

Someone remove my / key

[eternal mango]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[austere sinew]

Goblin… tut tut

[frigid mountain]

what in the samhain is going on here

[eternal mango]

You're not helping @alpine pumice

[austere sinew]

He rejoined

But

[eternal mango]

I mean you are

[austere sinew]

He cant talk

[eternal mango]

But

[austere sinew]

It’s making him reverift too

[frigid mountain]

😭

mommy and daddy are fighting!

[torn cedar]

Wolo is a father

[upbeat tangle]

@supple plume you back?

[austere sinew]

Ya I am genghis wolo

I have fathered half the world

[eternal mango]

Not gonna live that one down

[torn cedar]

Teach me how to cook lamb

Send me a recipe via dms

[austere sinew]

Step one

Get lamb

Step two

Cook it

[torn cedar]

Lemme find some firewood

[frigid mountain]

that implies you have the lamb already

[eternal mango]

No don't worry, I'll just jump out the window instead

[frigid mountain]

[austere sinew]

Guys should I pretend I'm pregnant so the delivery driver doesn't judge what i ordered

something tells me something went wrong in the order collection

[torn cedar]

[eternal mango]

Delivery drivers don't care what you ordered

[austere sinew]

I finally got my cake and mint chocolate chip ice cream life is good praise the lord

But WHY IS IT SO WINDY OUTSIDE

THERE SHOULD BE A WEATHER WARNING

[upbeat tangle]

delivery drivers only cares about delivering and get the money

[eternal mango]

Oh right, the cake

[austere sinew]

Yesssss

[eternal mango]

Yeah they've delivered.... many things

They will be happy for you

[austere sinew]

Ive been thinkinga hout it al dy

[untold fiber]

Dang

I went out of my way to buy all the stock too

[austere sinew]

skill issue

[eternal mango]

Anything else you want me to make a dog's breakfast of today @alpine pumice ?

[alpine pumice]

ryan's here so looks like you're off the hook

[eternal mango]

Ban Ryan? Got it

[opal lark]

I’m doping up on MnM’s

[untold fiber]

Betrayal!

[opal lark]

Oh, it’s goblin.

[untold fiber]

Et tu brute?

[eternal mango]

Yup, it's me

[opal lark]

Last time I was here you was gone.

[eternal mango]

I came back a while ago, but feel like burying my head and leaving again now

Was about to try and ban myself, but was too afraid I'd end up actually banning Ryan

My / key is not allowed to be used anymore.

[opal lark]

Well it’s nice to see ya again. You’re one of the few people I’m somewhat familiar with here.

[eternal mango]

Nice to see you too 🙂

You had a good day?

[opal lark]

It’s alright.

Got a switch 2 since my other one kinda broke.

[eternal mango]

I can get on board with alright.

[opal lark]

Switch 1 specifically.

[austere sinew]

yes

yes

yes

pls do

in fact

i'll bribe you to do so

[austere sinew]

you're so dramatic

you're more of a woman than i am

[heady sage]

My dogs are thieves

[eternal mango]

What have they half inched

[frail turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

[winged ridge]

Hey everyone! I’m currently free and looking to join a CTF team if anyone has an opening. I specialize in cryptography and have solved all Hard and Insane crypto challenges on Hack The Box.

[eternal mango]

Totally cleared block list.

If people have to put up with my bullshit, I'll do the same

[winged ridge]

• all other CTF sites like pico CTF and so on

[eternal mango]

If anyone does speak to echo, please do tell them it was not on purpose.

Today was not a great day.

[heady sage]

A chip bag

[minor heart]

question: if you finish an entire path for a cert, but haven't taken said cert, do you still get a badge or anything that says i completed the material ?

[heady sage]

Yes

You do

[minor heart]

so I can show I actually DID material then right?

[heady sage]

The content is refelcted on your academy transcript and you will be awarded a badge that you can share

@minor heart

[minor heart]

ok cool

I just don't want to post a giant progress dashboard thing

[sturdy thistle]

@austere sinew

@minor heart

ellow

[frozen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-pissed-hyenas-sassy-gif-12831345

[frigid mountain]

feels so good when you reach for your empty can of monster and there's still some left

[rapid badger]

And back to sad when you realize its just the cigarette you put out 2h ago and now you have the taste of wet ashtray in your mouth

[eternal mango]

Was thinking exactly that

[lavish hull]

Afternoon all, just wanted to take a minute to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy year, most of all good health!
These days people don't spend much time or thought on some personal words to their friends and family, they just copy and paste some random messages and send it on, pretending it is their own.
So, after all we've been though together this year, I want to thank you for your friendship and wish you a happy 2018!
You are the best gymnastics group that Glasgow could ask for.
Best wishes, Janet.

[austere sinew]

yellow

[minor heart]

heya mick

[sturdy thistle]

merry christmas

xD

2nd time 😄

[minor heart]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-merry-christmas-merry-christmas-funny-merrychristmas-happy-holidays-gif-3913261940377549736

Merry Christmas 😄

[austere sinew]

MERRY CHRISTMAS

[dusky jacinth]

Afternoon all, just wanted to take a minute to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy year, most of all good health!
These days people don't spend much time or thought on some personal words to their friends and family, they just copy and paste some random messages and send it on, pretending it is their own.
So, after all we've been though together this year, I want to thank you for your friendship and wish you a happy 2018!
You are the best gymnastics group that Glasgow could ask for.
Best wishes, Janet.

merry chrimus

[sinful mesa]

who janet

[upbeat tangle]

meery christmas

finally i figured out this, i use some code and convert into URL but it kept giving me a syntax error

the problem was... a space somewhere

blankspace

but burpsuite is cool

[eternal mango]

Holy crap https://github.com/onekey-sec/unblob wipes the floor over binwalk and foremost

Maybe just circumstance, but damn

[upbeat tangle]

is that the linux equivalent to winrar?

back when i was using windows, winrar was king

[eternal mango]

No, they're tools used to find and extract files from a given binary

Like when analysing a firmware image

[upbeat tangle]

ah ok

[eternal mango]

binwalk is fair and works, but unblob seems to have done a more thorough job

[heady sage]

I’m planning on switching platforms

To pentesterlab

[eternal mango]

Ok

[obtuse fern]

What height? 2 inch to 3 inch?

[upbeat tangle]

Wait there is more?!

[heady sage]

lol

[obtuse fern]

Always

[torn cedar]

Yeah it's pretty good, good luck on your journey

[upbeat tangle]

thats crazy to think about for me xD

[civic lance]

Im looking at firewalls for homelabbing, and OPNsense doesnt seem to support linux

[eternal mango]

opnsense is a distribution based off of FreeBSD

You run it as an edge into your network to handle traffic and routing

It essentially is your router, firewall and traffic management node

[civic lance]

edge in network

[heady sage]

She’s sleepy

[eternal mango]

Edge: where your network transitions from LAN to your internet uplink

[civic lance]

Yeah, I have a lot of learning to do

[eternal mango]

We all do 🙂

That's what makes it fun

[civic lance]

I think firewalls might be too complicated for fun

any simplier homelabs?

[eternal mango]

What's your goal?

[civic lance]

I just read a module on HTB about Network Security

and Im like lemme try this thing that they mentioned

[sage sail]

idk what game to buy nothing attracts me

[civic lance]

so Im just freestyling

[eternal mango]

Then go and read on the thing that they mentioned

A lab without a purpose is pretty pointless unless your goal is to learn about setting up a lab, networking, routing, etc

What interested you most in that module?

[civic lance]

Imma be honest

Just for the sake of learning and messing around

But the tools they mentioned intrigued me

Like John The Ripper maybe

And wireshark

But I guess going deeper on the topics that the module has mentioned so, I better prepare myself for CJCA I guess?

[eternal mango]

The Network Foundations path does associate with the CJCA path, as shown on the module page further down https://academy.hackthebox.com/module/details/289

Maybe check out some of those related modules

There's a good number of related fundamental modules available

[civic lance]

I see, I'm also doing it in chronological order 😭

Should I just break the habit?

[eternal mango]

You do you

[civic lance]

Okay, aslong as Im learning I guess

[proud moth]

skip everything, do CPTS

trust me it's worth it

straight to business none of that blue team ahh type shi

[eternal mango]

That's not helpful

[civic lance]

I dont have no clear fundamentals

To even have a jump like that

[eternal mango]

Go at your own pace

You can challenge yourself if you feel able and confident. It can be good to challenge yourself even if you aren't comfortable

But take your time, and build those core skills.

[proud moth]

ah my bad then

but don't stay in the fundamentals too long

[eternal mango]

Fundamentals lead to intermediate to etc

Come on

Yes challenge y ourself

But pressuring someone new to over achieve based upon your current experience level is just not helpful

Whatever

Take it at your own pace @civic lance

[civic lance]

Ik that failing is very important tho

[eternal mango]

You're the only one driving your learning path

mmhm, failure drives you to learn and try again

You have the ability to pick your pace. There is no right or wrong speed.

That's both a boon and a bane

Perseverance, patience and flexibility through what you learn will get you far

Good hunting 🙂

[proud moth]

pwn all the things find some bugs in some wildcards

[eternal mango]

..and don't mind the noise

[sturdy thistle]

when i had a root server i used proxmox and opnsense on it

oh no, it was pfsense

[civic lance]

I'm looking for firewalls

that I can just config thru my terminal

simple

[proud moth]

ufw

[sturdy thistle]

yeah ufw

[civic lance]

Idk how to work with Free-BSD

[undone fossil]

[eternal mango]

Ok, I guess someone else can take that then

[sturdy thistle]

i got 3 months google AI pro for 7 eur

each month

[eternal mango]

OPNsense is straight forward with a web ui, ufw or iptables for CLI

[heady sage]

Did you ever do code review? @eternal mango

[eternal mango]

Yes

Was part of my roles over my previous 3 positions

Useful when bug hunting too

[proud moth]

one time I had to review a C++ codebase i wanted to absolutely DIE

[civic lance]

Google has the best C++ style guide

[proud moth]

man C++ was a mistake

it's such a mess

[undone fossil]

C++ is fine its just double edged

its flexibility is a blessing and a curse

[eternal mango]

https://tenor.com/view/woosah-ears-relax-bad-boy-ii-martin-lawrence-gif-16390662

[heady sage]

I was thinking of learning to code review php

[eternal mango]

I mean.. code review is basically coding, but backwards

[proud moth]

sparkle activation

[civic lance]

What ur homelab look like?

[heady sage]

But I’ve lost motivation these past few days because I’m stuck on xpath injection

[eternal mango]

You have to examine and build up the abstract of the project, be able to associate between different requirements and flows. It's pretty zen.

[proud moth]

such a cursed web exploit right?

[undone fossil]

yup

[heady sage]

I KNOW RIGHT

[proud moth]

doesn't make sense, syntax is straight up from hell

[eternal mango]

I did offer to give some advice

[heady sage]

I would like that very much

[eternal mango]

Let's chat tomorrow if you're able

[heady sage]

Sounds good

[eternal mango]

Will be evening, hours or to before now like 2200 UTC

Anyway

I'll give you a ping if you're about

If I can nudge a bit, would be happy to

Will start as an ear to see where you are, but yeah

You will get it

even if it hurts

🤣

[heady sage]

I don’t want to simply go about simply doing the module I want to understand it

[eternal mango]

You will

[proud moth]

u mean xpath?

or php reviewing?

[heady sage]

Both

[proud moth]

is there a module for php and code review like that?

[undone fossil]

Code reviews are very chilled

If you're new to the process, make sure to choose a language you're very familiar with

[proud moth]

that's true it's comforting to have all the code in front of you

[eternal mango]

https://academy.hackthebox.com/module/details/244

[upbeat tangle]

Do we have any gentoo linux users in here?

[undone fossil]

nah theyure all debugging rn

[proud moth]

bruh 💀

[eternal mango]

High in protein those bugs

[upbeat tangle]

i just saw an explanation of the term on youtube about this word

[heady sage]

Welp it’s official you guys

I’m a goddamn puzzle

[upbeat tangle]

the gentoo linux user is accompanied by a gun while interacting with any technical devices or humans xD

[sturdy thistle]

hand leak

[livid vine]

I used to use it for a few years a long time ago, when I still loved wasting time on stuff. It was fun at the time (it was around the time when the installation was still stage 2 if I remember correctly), but now that I am older and just want to get things done, I would never use it again.

[eternal mango]

It's a mirror @sturdy thistle

[sturdy thistle]

so it's my hand?

[eternal mango]

Ok I'll laugh then

[upbeat tangle]

ok 😛

[livid vine]

Current me doesn't understand anymore why I enjoyed compiling absolutely everything from source. It just feels weird now

But I must say that using Gentoo taught me a lot of stuff at the time

Kids these days won't understand :p

I also tried LFS

I wonder if it's still a thing

[upbeat tangle]

i dont know what that is

[heady sage]

It is

@terse dirge won’t shut up about it

[eternal mango]

Centos pain burned in to my mind

It deserved to die

[livid vine]

Linux from scratch. If you want to really waste a lot of time to get some basic shit working, go for it

[heady sage]

Centos is dead?

[eternal mango]

In the 2020s

[livid vine]

A while ago already

[proud moth]

wait until Dollaros drops

[heady sage]

HAH

nice

[livid vine]

Linux has come a long way, but I still prefer macOS on the desktop

[upbeat tangle]

i think im using enough time as it is already learning the boxes in the HTB labs

[livid vine]

They are just on different levels on the desktop

[heady sage]

Considering I’m already learning code review

And CWEE

[proud moth]

damn, going for the big guns uh

[heady sage]

I Kind of am on a time crunch to learn new things

[undone fossil]

how come?

[heady sage]

My academy sub runs out soon

[undone fossil]

ohh

[heady sage]

And along with it any access I had to CWEE

[proud moth]

CWEE is from hell i think

[heady sage]

I promised myself I would finish CWEE before I ran out on time on my academy sub

[civic lance]

Buy more

Your rich

[proud moth]

lmao

[heady sage]

Uhhh no I’m not

[livid vine]

I signed up and everything, but I don't think I will have time to try the platform out soon enough. Between the day job, family and a side project I am planning on turning into a business, it's hard to fine the time to play with that stuff 🙁

[undone fossil]

anyone for vc

[heady sage]

I would sure

[proud moth]

academy has peak moments

[eternal mango]

You got a few months yet right?

[heady sage]

Call me up

[undone fossil]

just hopped in htb vc instead

[heady sage]

I do. It runs out in June

[undone fossil]

bro you've got ages

[eternal mango]

I reckon you could crack one out in that time

[civic lance]

Ask goblin for a nice lil promo code

A nice discount code

[eternal mango]

I believe in you

[sturdy thistle]

10% more

[civic lance]

😭

[proud moth]

lmao

[civic lance]

Damn

[eternal mango]

or just use the time to hop about between modules, and have some fun while learning

or don't and do something else, you're the one who knows how best you learn 🙂

[hasty wharf]

Guys is there any way to hack on iOS?

[alpine pumice]

of course

[sturdy thistle]

of course

[eternal mango]

of course biscuits

[hasty wharf]

How

[sturdy thistle]

We just can't tell

[hasty wharf]

I wanna hack a game closed 8 ball

[sturdy thistle]

i'm afraid

[hasty wharf]

Called*

[alpine pumice]

oh we don't condone illegal stuff here

[sturdy thistle]

shhh

take it back

[hasty wharf]

Lmfao that ain’t illegal

[sturdy thistle]

oh no?

[hasty wharf]

We just borrowing

[sturdy thistle]

why not?

[eternal mango]

That's what Robin Hood said

[sturdy thistle]

then we can borrow a ban too

[eternal mango]

Oh wait, no he didn't

[hasty wharf]

Bruh it was a simple question

[sturdy thistle]

bruh it was a simple answer

[alpine pumice]

anything is possible

[austere sinew]

i love the bruh preface

[sturdy thistle]

hey bruh

[hasty wharf]

True, I just don’t know how to

[austere sinew]

bruh bruh

[sturdy thistle]

bruh bruh bruh

[austere sinew]

bruh...

[sturdy thistle]

sorry bruh

a bruh game

[austere sinew]

it's aight bruh..

[alpine pumice]

take a course on reverse engineering, that should give you an idea of what you need to do

good luck bruh

[sturdy thistle]

bruh

stop

[austere sinew]

bruhhh

[sturdy thistle]

@austere sinew ping time

[austere sinew]

bruh

[alpine pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/really-bruh-blink-blank-face-gif-9334898104617218757

[eternal mango]

Welll BBBBbBbBbBbBruh

[austere sinew]

bruh.

[eternal mango]

That was close @alpine pumice

You almost banned echo again

[sturdy thistle]

bruh

[eternal mango]

https://tenor.com/view/jameson-laugh-cackling-lmao-lol-gif-11834142

[alpine pumice]

you guys made him leave, cyber bullies

[eternal mango]

No

I made him leave

[austere sinew]

cyber bruhs...

[eternal mango]

By mistake

🙁

Sooo boxing day.

[austere sinew]

boxing day

[eternal mango]

Time to attempt to eat what's left over

[sturdy thistle]

bruhing day

[lime trout]

Tmmrw is Friday woo

[livid vine]

It's possible, but Android is easier

[eternal mango]

Werkday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaxWoJPUC0

[sturdy thistle]

what do i see lol

[eternal mango]

Das hokie kokie

[sturdy thistle]

i need to sleep

lol

[eternal mango]

..orrr coffee?

[sturdy thistle]

don't tempt me

[eternal mango]

🙊

[sturdy thistle]

buy a machine

😂

[eternal mango]

don't tempt me

[sturdy thistle]

hahahah

[eternal mango]

😄

[sturdy thistle]

ok one last coffee

[eternal mango]

I wonder what hidden knowledge Froj is spilling

No Mickhat

Go to sleep

[eternal mango]

Can it play doom?

[cloud osprey]

is it 16 billion crabs?

[eternal mango]

Hmmm

I'd have to check the manual

[carmine pecan]

how to convert crabs to instructions per seconds?

or maybe crabs is a measure of frequency?

@cloud osprey is crabs a PDF or a CDF?

[eternal mango]

So.. a crab can store a semi-nibble?

We need clicks per second

Nah nevermind just accept crabs will never outpace 5G

[carmine pecan]

[heady sage]

NoSQL is confusing

[eternal mango]

Store map reduce repeat

😅

Haven't done much with it, but it is different for sure

Think used it when playing with Twitter firehose years ago for sentiment analysis

[warm dome]

nosql is just slapping things together with glue basically haha

any idea what % of ownership challenges take up now?

[sturdy thistle]

VACATION

[eternal mango]

https://help.hackthebox.com/en/articles/5185158-introduction-to-hack-the-box#h_d3825e1b31

No overview for point calc at the moment

[sturdy thistle]

you coulkd get this

[eternal mango]

But it's not gone ignored

[warm dome]

yeah i know the formula was more curious what % it would end up with from just doing machines, im thinking of trying to climb up ranks a little before i go back to academy modules

[eternal mango]

hmmmm

[sturdy thistle]

1.6k though

but everytihg included

[eternal mango]

wtf

[sturdy thistle]

i have no idea about that grinder

[eternal mango]

Are there really 130 active challenges?

I mean.. cool, but wow

[warm dome]

yeah its like up there up there now

[sturdy thistle]

its only worth if you really love coffee anyways

[eternal mango]

Still diluted in the percentage

[sturdy thistle]

like REALLY REALLY

[sturdy bluff]

Hey could someone help me

[sturdy thistle]

just ask

[sturdy bluff]

Im trying to do the Meow Machine ctf
I did the Cap Machine yesterday and everything was working
I am connected to the Starting Point VPN Using OpenVPN, but every time that I run an nmap scan, it fails
like absolutely nothing happens

[warm dome]

does nmap give you a message, i would follow what it suggests

[eternal mango]

Challenges account for approximately 37% I think

[sturdy bluff]

no message

[eternal mango]

The rest of the ownership percentage is from active machines

[undone fossil]

challenge superiority gang rise up

[warm dome]

oh wow, that means i might actually need to do alot of challenges

not that i mind i mean there alot easier usually, but still thats alot of challenges

[undone fossil]

the easier challenges are easier 😅

they get pretty difficult

[warm dome]

as long as nothings on polys level again it should be okay

[undone fossil]

is vmstack still active?

[warm dome]

that challenge was nightmare fuel

[undone fossil]

or whatever it was called

i also remember there's a sandbox escape pwn which is p cool

[warm dome]

i cant find it searching unless its called something else

[eternal mango]

15 active machines, 130 active challenges, so (15+(15/2)+(130/10)) =~ 35, 130/10 = 13 and 13/35 =~ 0.37

I think

[undone fossil]

smh making me log into htb

[undone fossil]

[eternal mango]

Uhhh is retired

(vmcrack challenge)

[undone fossil]

noooo

[sturdy bluff]

where do I send a image of my errors

[undone fossil]

https://app.hackthebox.com/challenges/NFTDRM i think this is the one i was on about (for pwn)

v cool chall

[warm dome]

so to tired for math so punched this into gemmini

[eternal mango]

Best to ask in #starting-point @sturdy bluff you may not be able to send images due to rank requirements

Do your best to describe your issue

[warm dome]

just boxes is 63.3% which is pro hacker

[sturdy bluff]

okay thank you guys

[warm dome]

anything higher is challenges progress

[sturdy bluff]

hopefully my problems will be fixed

[carmine pecan]

We now have a lot more than 130 active challenges sadly

sadly for ProHackers trying to reach EliteHacker without learning Quantum Computing I guess

[eternal mango]

Whoops, 15 per page, you are right.

Assumed it was 10 at a glance

So around 46%

[hybrid temple]

Merry Christmas and a happy hacking new year everyone!

[rose hull]

Any of you buy the “Nmap Network Scanning” by Gordon Fyodor Lyon? I’m aware HTB has an entire section but I would like one more in depth but I’m unsure if it’s still as accurate as it once was, seeing how it’s 16 years old lol

[warm dome]

so boxes are 60% then according to gemini

[lime trout]

20 active ones, not 15

it atleast used to be 90%*

[warm dome]

changed number in gemini comes out at 66.67 according to gemini

[warm dome]

but used to be a load less challenges as well

[lime trout]

yeah i forgot about that

mb

[warm dome]

nah its just interesting to know tbh, like i missed stuff as well

but yeah i think its to do with active challenges not retiring as often

[lime trout]

yeah its kinda cooked due to that imo

alot harder these days to get high ranks

but thats what seasons is for

[warm dome]

like theres some challenges from 2017 still active

[sturdy bluff]

emma can you check dms???

[warm dome]

but its still good fun haha

[eternal mango]

Wait seriously Emma, it's 15 per page on machines too lol

If the list fits on the page I just assume it's 10 lol

[lime trout]

its always been 20 active 😭

[eternal mango]

No, per page

[lime trout]

oh

i guess

[eternal mango]

Yeah, it is

[lime trout]

i havent really given that attention

[eternal mango]

Was wondering why there were only 15 machines

...but there are 20 obvs

So with 20 machines and 195 challenges that's 38.7% from challenges for ownership percentage

[gusty shoal]

Hey, guys! I'm new here.

[warm dome]

starting to think i should be trying to finish these challenge before i finish more boxes now haha

[eternal mango]

On odds you're less likely to lose percentage from challenges I guess, but that's a lot of challenges

[warm dome]

yeah its alot

but there also generally simpler

[undone fossil]

challenges >>>

[eternal mango]

Well no ifs or buts, percentage from challenges will deteriorate slower full stoo

[untold fiber]

this is not true

[warm dome]

mean in ratio

[molten bobcat]

Hello friends

[untold fiber]

challenges can and frequently are far more difficult than a box of equivalent difficulty

[undone fossil]

challenges have less guessing but that's where the "easier" ends imo

[molten bobcat]

I am surviving the holidays

[warm dome]

like 2-5 stupidly hard ones and 100 somewhat simple ones

[molten bobcat]

2 more to go..

[warm dome]

where as boxes can have the most random rabbit holes sometimes

hmmm

[eternal mango]

You lose..like 2-3% per retired box?

[molten bobcat]

Er

It's about that yeah

[eternal mango]

Compared to 0.2 per challenge

Annnnnyway

[molten bobcat]

Sir I have received an interesting Christmas gift

[eternal mango]

Let's see what 2026 brings

[molten bobcat]

I have received cat wall

So now my cat will soon be able to run around the walls

[untold fiber]

i predict around... 52 new boxes

just a gut feeling

[eternal mango]

Sure let's go with that

😄

[gusty shoal]

Hey there

[quick willow]

im vibecoding rn and its so fun

[eternal mango]

What're you working on?

[quick willow]

Report generator

to sorta battle Sysreptor

this is the base for the report template builder ...hated creating templated with MD

[eternal mango]

Plenty of room for growth

😅 (sorry)

[quick willow]

its integrated within the application

[quick willow]

no this is what i hand to clients when i dont get my scope

[eternal mango]

hah

[quick willow]

but yeah this is the template builder itself. dont have to worry about HTML/MD/CSS

[eternal mango]

Look forward to seeing what you come up with 🙂

[sharp shuttle]

<controversial and misleading statement made out of pure boredom> discuss.

[eternal mango]

6 is better than 7

[sharp shuttle]

67?

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[eternal mango]

Unrelated

I'm ashamed of myself

[raven rain]

https://tenor.com/view/kolossos-outcome-memories-sonic-sonic-meme-2011-x-gif-11309686770137000622

[quick willow]

Thanks! Essentially it will have a standard MS world like editor, as well as the ability to easy collab, tool imports etc

I think the biggest plus that I have right now though is the fact that it doesn’t use markdown HTML or CSS to create a report templates. I’m sorry that was annoying as hell.

[eternal mango]

Hahah, I spent so long trying to make a generator for a cert report years ago, so much so that I almost ran out of time, gave up on the generator and just did it by hand

But without time constraint, do it!

[civic lance]

Yp

Yo

[eternal mango]

Me is stience now?

Why the hell am I getting these emails

[sharp shuttle]

follow the white rabbit

[eternal mango]

What if I just claim it

Become Mcorrhizal Fungus Glomus Etunicatum bro

[civic lance]

Why when I watch a movie on a pirate site, the video just buffers. but when its anime everything runs smoothly.....

[eternal mango]

Guess anime compresses better compared to live film?

[sharp shuttle]

that sounds right

anime is like 1 frame rendering

[alpine pumice]

real reason is your internet and/or computer suck

bad upload on servers

get plex

[civic lance]

plex?

Similiar to jellyfin

[alpine pumice]

yeah host your own

or emby or something

yeah

[civic lance]

But then

I'd have to download....

[alpine pumice]

what do you think you're doing when you're streaming?

[civic lance]

but wont they send me a DMCA?

😭

[eternal mango]

Definitely doing legal things

[alpine pumice]

why would they you put content you own on it

[civic lance]

Oh said anything about buying....

[eternal mango]

legal

[alpine pumice]

well yeah if you're going to do illegal stuff then it's illegal

[civic lance]

Mannn if im on a pirate website, why would I buy the actual content 😭

And torrenting is way more risky then just using the site

[eternal mango]

cool cool

[alpine pumice]

very legal very cool

we don't condone illegal stuff here

[civic lance]

oh cool

[sharp shuttle]

torrenting is risky? lol

[eternal mango]

..and lower entropy compared to live action, thus much easier to compress

[civic lance]

it isnt?

[sharp shuttle]

not if you have braincells

[civic lance]

yeah Imma dumbass

[west venture]

It isn't that risky. Just don't run sketchy executables

[humble rain]

My dad told me he is gifting me a telescope with a super simple OSINT challenge. He just handed me a piece of paper with a string of numbers and letters broken up by spaces and dashes and the words "North Star" on it. My first thought upon seeing the hint was an Adam West-era Batman-esque "To the computer!"

[sharp shuttle]

Mourning star

[eternal mango]

Sounds like you got a cool dad

[humble rain]

A solid piece of medieval weaponry LOL

[warm dome]

curiosity goblin you doing much SE stuff these days?

[eternal mango]

On and off yeah, got a few projects on the burner, but not directly on HTB platforms

[humble rain]

Yeah I was really surprised that he gave me an OSINT challenge. I was not expecting that but I'm not complaining

[civic lance]

its rare having a dad into things like that

[humble rain]

Yeah. Back in the 80s he was something of not necessarily a hacker himself, but an electronics engineer, but he ended up going into a radically different profession

[civic lance]

elaborate on "radically different position"

[humble rain]

He's in the medical field now

[civic lance]

oh

hes a nurse?

[humble rain]

I wouldn't care to say

[civic lance]

ok

[quick willow]

I think I have the exports covered

[eternal mango]

You haven't named it yet have you

Name comes last 😅 otherwise it's doomed to the 95% bucket

(mostly jk)

(pours one out for the forgotten projects)

[cerulean bloom]

goooooooooood morning

[lofty warren]

[terse dirge]

[terse dirge]

About what?

[eternal mango]

Mind if I dm?

[cerulean bloom]

sure 🙂

[eternal mango]

ty

[frosty bane]

I bought VIP+!

[heady sage]

LFS

[terse dirge]

I haven't mentioned lfs in a while lol

[viscid glacier]

Hello!, can some one tell me how can i contact support to enable the student subscription in HTB academy?

I used to have the student subscription enbled, but now it is no longer available, yet i am using the same univerity email 🙂

[west lynx]

https://help.hackthebox.com/en/articles/5986762-contacting-htb-support

[terse dirge]

@viscid glacier

[viscid glacier]

thankssss

[terse dirge]

It's great for learning more about Linux, it's certainly not a waste of time, it's a one of a kind learning experience tbh

[quick willow]

Locked repo. Name stays behind locked doors until I open it. But 99% chance I rename the rename after renaming the name

[meager kernel]

@terse dirge I think I'm spending too much time ricing my desktop rather than studying or doing something else 😂

Like whenever I'm on my PC, I always think about ricing it more

I'm turning into a very typical linux user

[rose onyx]

Oh noes we're not supposed to name a project until it's done?! TIL

[raven rain]

yea no u just call it some codename in the meantime

like PROJECT POOPY

[terse dirge]

Keep going you can do it!

[meager kernel]

But I have an exam tomorrow, I don't wanna spend whole time ricing

[terse dirge]

You can do both tho

[meager kernel]

😭

I like my rice though 🥰

[terse dirge]

Gtk theme tho and qt theme

[meager kernel]

What

I haven't really done much about that

[terse dirge]

Theme it vro and get some icons

[meager kernel]

Yea

[terse dirge]

And then do your terminal;)

[meager kernel]

I can customize more but gotta learn everything

[meager kernel]

Yea I wasn't really sure how to customise alacrity

Saw about it yesterday

[terse dirge]

That's more of customizing your shell. I believe alacritty is a toml file check in /usr/share/alacritty

[meager kernel]

Yea

[rose onyx]

I'm not good at code names, I just name it what it does, shrimple. That explains the pile of projects sitting on the disk.

[meager kernel]

Alacrity.toml

I have to create that file

And write
[window]
decorations = "None"
opacity = 0.7

[terse dirge]

If there's not a default hen I think there might be an option to dump the default config to .config/alacritty

[meager kernel]

Yea there isn't any default one

I'll have to make it

Last night I tried it before sleeping, I created alacrity.yml cause that's what I thought it would be

Turns out .yml file is deprecated and .toml works

Wait @supple plume you're still here right?

I thought you got banned by mistake

[lofty warren]

[obtuse fern]

don't think they rejoined yet

[patent mulch]

hi guys just wanted to ask im doing the penetration tester module im at the windows lateral movement part. the question where i have to use the sysax automation tool. i have done everything yet i cant get the ilfsereveradm to become admin. did any of yall got stuck here?

[terse dirge]

#modules

[sharp shuttle]

codenames are based on themes, most projects take after a genre

ie superheroes

[gaunt gale]

I’m taking an electronics course next semester

Gonna get an electronics kit to help prepare

[sharp shuttle]

very cool

[gaunt gale]

Ya friend is sending me one for free

[quick willow]

I’m naming mine project tism

After myself

Or project Tylenol

[rugged ravine]

Can i ask about payment issues here for VIP+ subscription? Can't contact a support agent because in the Contact Support tab there is no ask a question button.

[west lynx]

https://help.hackthebox.com/en/articles/5986762-contacting-htb-support

[terse dirge]

@rugged ravine

[rugged ravine]

Oh, im sorry i didn't read it all. my adblock must be blocking the element

🤦

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/happens-to-the-best-of-us-gif-8806024593926431294

[rugged ravine]

Okay, it's still not there. I haven't set up any DNS-level adblocking though, i guess i'll just email them. Thank you for the help and direction!

[obtuse fern]

could be some extension blocking it

[west venture]

Happy Name Day Clead

[obtuse fern]

also hard refreshing to clear cache can get things fixed usually (CTRL + SHIFT + R)

[rugged ravine]

I only have one extension that can alter the page, just UBlock Origin. But i will try to do a hard refresh if this still doesn't work.

[west venture]

Just use Brace Browser

Brave

[rugged ravine]

Aight, ill try that too

[rose onyx]

That works well for established projects, refreshes, and the likes, but stand alone? Eff it, I'll start naming things after state/national parks, I'll be just as confused when revisiting code 3 months later.

[west venture]

@obtuse fern what will happen if I DM you for no reason whatsoever?

[obtuse fern]

you push me one step closer to the edge

[terse dirge]

you too

I heard rumors about another AWS outage a day ago

[dusky jacinth]

Ooooooooo

[devout sail]

@native plume

https://tenor.com/view/steal-doro-gif-1027805425862452031

[mystic harbor]

😭

[pine river]

I love this

[austere condor]

How’s everyone doing? Hope all is well. Will try to keep this somewhat short to respect everyone’s time. Short intro: Newcomer to the HTB community, what we all know as a “script kiddie”, full of questions, concerns, ideas, and a passion for cybersecurity. Two points behind this chat, 1. Just a quick introduction, 2. For any educated/expert/knowledgeable person who possibly has some time to answer some questions involving cybersecurity, HTB, and overall general information, would be greatly helpful and appreciated to connect and discuss. Thanks in advance and blessings to you guys.

[alpine pumice]

Best to just ask your question and hope you don't get trolled

[terse dirge]

this is discord btw not linkedin so don't worry about trying to be professional lol

[warped plank]

bro wrote an essay to ask if he could ask

https://dontasktoask.com

[austere condor]

Heard brother! I’ve got quite a damn bit honestly

[warped plank]

So start with one

[gaunt gale]

Merry christmas everyone

[carmine pecan]

Here comes the guy travelling at 75% the speed of light

Its Xmas for him

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-barry-allen-final-run-running-grant-gustin-gif-10799325617575624559

[alpine pumice]

it's still xmas for 2 hours and 42 mins

[carmine pecan]

Axchually due to timezones its impossible to 100% of the world to ever be in the same day, the max is capped at 93.2%

So it was never Xmas and the cake is a lie

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/lupin-iii-mst-mountain-standard-time-zenigata-jigen-gif-21159732

the only real time zone

[alpine pumice]

ceald someone won our lotto money

[terse dirge]

I heard

[alpine pumice]

back to wendy's i guess

[meager kernel]

Ceald I again broke something in my arch 😭😭

What the hell is this man

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cooking-fries-ai-cat-mcdonald's-gif-15253947472684078251

[terse dirge]

a skill issue

[meager kernel]

I switched off my PC yesterday without disconnecting bluetooth

And today I switched it on

And bluetooth drivers are broken

[terse dirge]

that wouldn't break the drivers

[eternal mango]

Again?

[meager kernel]

Then idk what did

[meager kernel]

😭

The logs also don't say any error

[terse dirge]

check you error logs in journalctl and dmesg

[meager kernel]

I did

They don't say anything

How do I check dmesg logs again?
I've checked journalctl already

[terse dirge]

check the service status for whatever you use for bluetooth

either pipewire or pulse audio have had issues with bluetooth in the past

[meager kernel]

Why does everything keep breaking 😭

[carmine pecan]

Also... @dusky jacinth has 5 years of VIP+ now lmao.

Congrats bro.

[terse dirge]

because you either didn't set it up properly or need to update everything

or both

[vocal wharf]

hey guys, I'm new and want to explore. So I can only have 1 pwnbox per day?

[meager kernel]

I'll run an update command

[vocal wharf]

I can't start intance lmao

[terse dirge]

when was the last time you updated your mirrors?

[meager kernel]

Without a subscription, yes

[meager kernel]

I downloaded Arch 2 days back

It was already updated

I did a "pacman -Syu" before I did the Archinstall

[eternal mango]

Silly mode maybe but.. tried doing the same as last time?

Things can be weird, and weirder

[vocal wharf]

Oh so I can't binged the lessons? lol

[meager kernel]

Last time the errors were cause of fastboot in BIOS and windows
I have already disabled those

[eternal mango]

Yeah

[terse dirge]

#general message check this for updating mirrors

[eternal mango]

But, have you checked it's still disabled?

Again, stupid question

But I'm good at asking those

[terse dirge]

it shouldn't be an issue since your installation is so new but it wouldn't hurt to get the best mirrors right now

[meager kernel]

It should be, I'll check it once more

[rugged ravine]

just to add... you should setup sercure boot too after you fix your bluetooth drivers

[eternal mango]

Highly doubt it's that, but the number of times that nagging idea the back of the head that's just "too damn stupid to be it" has turned out to be it..

I don't have enough fingers

..or thumbs

[meager kernel]

Tf is reflector

[terse dirge]

also @meager kernel check your bluez service or bluetooth services

[vocal wharf]

uhhh can I just create my own VM and install Linux so I don't have to pay subscription?

[dusky jacinth]

Just the 1 no?

[terse dirge]

and everything else audio related like pipewire or pulseaudio

[alpine pumice]

yeah that's normally what people do i feel like. the vm will perform way better too.

[dusky jacinth]

Wait what happened to the other people who won?

[meager kernel]

I think it's the fucking bios issue again

Same error as yesterday

[eternal mango]

No

[meager kernel]

Fuck me sideways

[eternal mango]

Way

[rugged ravine]

Yes, much more customizable but you will need to set it up

[eternal mango]

I WAS RIGHT?!

BRB buying a lottery ticket

[terse dirge]

it shouldn't be I think unless your bios is weird

which it probably is

[meager kernel]

It's probably the windows boot manager
Windows' fast boot also messes up with linux

[vocal wharf]

what distro should I use if im a beginner? Any reco's?

[terse dirge]

Manjaro

[warped plank]

You should be able to use grub with windows

[eternal mango]

But why would that have affected the BIOS?

[warped plank]

Windows 10 at least, not so sure about 11+

[eternal mango]

Have you powered off since last time?

[meager kernel]

I keep getting this fuckass error @terse dirge

[warped plank]

Windows is weird, if fast-boot is on shutting down isn't really shutting down

saves some stuff in the efi

[eternal mango]

BIOS

[meager kernel]

why dont i just delete windows 🙏

[warped plank]

some voodoo if it's UEFI I guess

[terse dirge]

check if the directory exists or file

[eternal mango]

But have you powered off since last time?

[meager kernel]

it doesnt
checked yesterday

[meager kernel]

i did

[eternal mango]

No

Way

[terse dirge]

ls -la /sys/class/bluetooth

[terse dirge]

create it

[meager kernel]

and then?

[eternal mango]

Do motherboards still have batteries to hold volatile memory

[terse dirge]

mkdir /sys/class/bluetooth

[eternal mango]

Or is that like dinosaur tech

[meager kernel]

yes

[warped plank]

you mean cmos batteries? ye

[eternal mango]

....

[meager kernel]

and then?

[eternal mango]

No way

[terse dirge]

you might need to restart the services for bluetooth or they'll restart on their own

[eternal mango]

You powered off.. dead battery

Buhbye revert to stock

[meager kernel]

if it breaks more i blame you

[terse dirge]

check in dmesg or journalctl where ever you found those errors

[rugged ravine]

I remember setting up my arch linux, i thought the script that it came with will put itself in the partition i created...

[warped plank]

ahh yes, hope a static script it somehow magic

[meager kernel]

what the fuck

I AM SUDO

DO AS I SAY

[eternal mango]

It's an actual thing 0xW1LD I swear

But ok

I was maybe right once, I shouldn't push my luck

[terse dirge]

switch to root and do it

not with sudo

[rugged ravine]

learned my lesson 🫡

[terse dirge]

sudo su then create the directory as root

[warped plank]

I mean if your script is smart enough it can probably pull the device ids and use those but in my experience I have to spend several days figuring out why my goddamn drive changes id everytime I boot

[meager kernel]

no way

[eternal mango]

what?

What script

[warped plank]

it swaps over from nvme1n1 to nvme0n1 every now and then

[warped plank]

talking about arch linux install scripts

[eternal mango]

wtf

I was talking about 22Kratos

[terse dirge]

that means that your sys directories might be all fucked up , check who they're owned by the only user it'd prevent you is nobody

ls -la /sys | head

[warped plank]

yeah I'm confused now, we talking bout multiple things in this chat

[eternal mango]

I uhh

I think so

[carmine pecan]

Dead all of then

[warped plank]

you talking about reverting to stock?

[eternal mango]

No

Good luck, both of you

[terse dirge]

run this to check the first few entries to see who owns them

[eternal mango]

or.. however many of you are having problems

[terse dirge]

also this might be of use @meager kernel https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth

[warped plank]

this chat is really all over the place

[meager kernel]

I'm gonna boot into my windows again to fix this

[carmine pecan]

🧉

[terse dirge]

https://askubuntu.com/questions/341939/why-cant-i-create-a-directory-in-sys

[meager kernel]

I read it yesterday

[terse dirge]

DO NOT DO THAT

[meager kernel]

What why

[terse dirge]

YOU WILL MESS UP YOUR SYSTEM

[meager kernel]

Alright I'll stop

[terse dirge]

also don't dual boot lol

[meager kernel]

I only took it as a test till February 1st
If my linux experience till then is good, I'll delete windows and completely move to linux

Till now it's been mostly good

Besides the bluetooth thing

[terse dirge]

just remove windows now lol

[rugged ravine]

dive in head first

[meager kernel]

Nah, too much stuff I would have to do

I'll do it tomorrow

After exam

I didn't expect windows to fuck with my linux that badly

[terse dirge]

@meager kernel try loading the kernel module

[meager kernel]

How

[terse dirge]

it's not messing with it

[terse dirge]

sudo modprobe bluetooth

[meager kernel]

Oh that

Aight

Oh bluetooth is back
I got it to work

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-hero-starman-superman-gif-5670562936153558097

[meager kernel]

I had to go into windows, disable fastboot then booted linux

[alpine pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-probing-probing-time-paul-catfoodcannon-gif-10399470640162320489

[meager kernel]

And it's back

[alpine pumice]

mod probe you say?

[meager kernel]

@terse dirge ITS DEFINITELY WINDOWS

FUCK YOU MICROSOFT

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/bring-it-on-im-ready-gif-15194378

[meager kernel]

PIECE OF DOGSHIT

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[meager kernel]

Dude
I just went into windows and disabled fastboot
When I booted back into linux, it worked

[terse dirge]

if no directory in /sys/class/bluetooth then I'd imagine the kernel module didn't load

[meager kernel]

Shutting down linux is pretty quick
The moment I press shutdown, it takes less than 2 seconds to shut down my whole PC

[terse dirge]

just cleanse windows from your system if you think it's causing all these issues

[meager kernel]

Soon

Tomorrow probably

[terse dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[meager kernel]

I need to transfer over my files too

Got alot of data I don't wanna lose

[terse dirge]

you might be able to mount the filesystem in linux I think

[meager kernel]

Yea but it'll take some tinkering

I'll do it tomorrow with a fresh mind

After exam

[eternal mango]

If you need bluetooth for the exam

Don't turn the PC off

😄

Good luck

[terse dirge]

I've had issues where sometimes arch fails because of kernel modules not loading, it's not a windows not liking linux issue 😄

[meager kernel]

nah i just need it for music

@terse dirge one more thing
which one is better or more beautiful

[terse dirge]

idk, just use kvantum or ngw-look

don't use something that's an all in one as in matching ALL the colors because it won't look as good if you manually match the colors with another theme or somethin

[meager kernel]

oh one last thing

[terse dirge]

it's nice to have some contrast it's what makes linux ricing an art

[meager kernel]

i made my alacritty transparent
but its only transparent if there is another terminal on the screen and my cursor is focused on that

like the one im focused on, is not transparent

[terse dirge]

ya that's a window rule thing

[meager kernel]

but the one on its side is

[meager kernel]

how do i change it

ive searched about it but not able to find an answer

[terse dirge]

https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri/discussions/1821

you can specify certain applications I believe to become transparent

[meager kernel]

this is for the overview mode

[meager kernel]

hmm

ill look into it more

[terse dirge]

looks like it might be an AMD issue https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri/issues/2346

[meager kernel]

I'm on nvidia

[scenic maple]

when will people start using stable software

[terse dirge]

when linux gets gudder

[alpine pumice]

when these lazy devs learn how to program

[scenic maple]

what do you expect for unpaid labour