halo-the-series-chat

[coarse leaf]

Batman V Superman should be a litmus test to see if you can pay attention to a movie or tv show

[open python]

It’s funny when the only one with a different opinion in the room calls the rest idiots

[coarse leaf]

having a different opinion is fine

it’s just when you base an opinion off of bad observations

[open python]

The whole show is a bad observation of what halo is

[wraith depot]

That is a fact lol

[coarse leaf]

The show is at best a 7/10

but you’re criticizing the wrong things

[open python]

I’ll agree to disagree

Personally it’s at a 5/10 and that’s only because the action scenes were somewhat good

[wraith depot]

The whole shows just a miss on like 97% of things

I give it like a 3/10

[alpine nexus]

The show's writer is doing some insane trolling

[open python]

I will never not hate on the fact that we see chiefs face

[coarse leaf]

do you guys actually like halo

seems like you hate it

[little anvil]

Hes got a feild for it. People are making complete idiots of themselves over the show. Its like watching people run through a field of mouse traps.

[wraith depot]

See like I don’t even mind the chiefs face thing at all tbh like it’s weird but it’s the rest of chief I hate

[open python]

I grind it almost daily and hate myself for it. But i down that out by playing halo wars 1

[little anvil]

No one on this server likes the game. Theres always something wrong with it and they must declair their rage or they'll curdle.

[wraith depot]

I’ve been playing halo for 16 years and this whole show is just offensively bad

[coarse leaf]

I’m involved in a lot of other gaming communities and they’re all so negative

it’s actually depressing

[little anvil]

Gaming tends to cause that.
If you show signs of positivity you get stomped because "gamers cant be happy"

[alpine nexus]

When things are good there isn't much to talk about

[little anvil]

I dont know WHY.

Any one that isnt constantly toxicly negative gets labled as "weak" or "boring" or worse.

[open python]

For good reason. Most companies make games not out of fun but for cash grabs

[coarse leaf]

the halo TV series would have blown my 14 year old mind if it came out in 2013 or whatever

[wraith depot]

All you see is criticism that’s how the human brain works anything positive get not reaction from people when something negative gets all the attention

[coarse leaf]

All companies make games for money

that’s the only reason products exist

[alpine nexus]

People being negative is their way of venting their frustration about how terribly subpar this show is

[coarse leaf]

then people can make actual criticisms for the writing

[open python]

Back then it wasn’t just that. It was a mix of money and genuine love of the community

[little anvil]

This goes beyond that.
This is hatting for the sake of hate, probably because its an outlet they can have without any real repercussions.

[coarse leaf]

me personally I feel like the show needs more worldbuilding

[open python]

Yup

[coarse leaf]

More character development

[wraith depot]

The show needs to be scrapped again and actually make it halo

[little anvil]

To the point that anyone coming in without the curiosity to look deeper just straight up flatlines when its presented at them.

So much freaking raw data they keel over, like opening the Halopedia ammunition page.

[open python]

I would like to see more lore accuracy

[alpine nexus]

The writing is all there for the taking. There's 20 years of writing for the TV show writers to pull from, and they ignore all of it

[coarse leaf]

They take a lot of things from the lore, especially even obscure elements

[open python]

Exactly. So much to learn from prior mistakes and yet they completely ignored that and did it again

[coarse leaf]

for people who supposedly never even looked at the lore they seemed to get a lot right coincidentally

most people who are aware of halo don’t even know master chiefs name is John

[wraith depot]

They take things but they don’t respect them is the problem they change them for the worse and then ignore huge points which completely change characters

[open python]

I learned that as a kid when i was in a lore based clan lmaoooo

[wraith depot]

The covenant is like mindless stupid aliens the unsc is like evil I guess idk chief is an emotional teenager

[coarse leaf]

the show isn’t even following a plot line that id like to see out of a halo series

It’s fine for what it is

[alpine nexus]

They get so much wrong though. Whiney Chief, no armor Chief, Covenant being cannon fodder, emotion suppression pellets, etc

[little anvil]

Covenant have alwasy been canon fodder. The UNSC won on the ground all the time.

They just had OP ships and if you control space you control the ground.

[coarse leaf]

Horomone pellets are in the main lore

[little anvil]

^Thyroid implant.

[coarse leaf]

Instead they’re implanted in the thyroid

[open python]

Covenant just want to go on a field trip

[coarse leaf]

Plus the horomone pellet reminds me of the biochip from clone wars

[wraith depot]

Covenant were cannon fodder but they would at least use actually military tactics instead of their highest ranking elites just sprinting in a group like zombies

[coarse leaf]

The clone wars conspiracy was one of my favorite parts of the clone wars show

[wraith depot]

Then after 9 episodes they somehow rotated to square 1 too which is annoying

[coarse leaf]

If I were the show runner for a halo series I’d do things differently

I wouldn’t have it take place in the covenant war

I’d have it take place directly after halo 3

[alpine nexus]

I don't think that would go well

[open python]

That’s where I consider the lore to end personally. Didn’t like 4 or 5s direction for the story

[wraith depot]

The timeline is perfectly fine just everything is wrong

[coarse leaf]

the post war period is an unexplored period in halo lore

In between 3 and 4

[alpine nexus]

Not much happened, just cleaning up covenant remnants

[coarse leaf]

a lot did happen though

[open python]

Is it just me or did the sudden jump in technology from 3 to 4 kind of shock anyone else?

[coarse leaf]

not really, it made sense considering they had forerunner tech they studied

[open python]

Technological advances = more dots on our spartans armor

[coarse leaf]

My halo series would be about the post war infinity seeking out new worlds and the remaining halo installations while having covenant remnants and Spartans

Dealing with the aftermath of the war

Rivalry between Spartans and ODSTs

exploring the forerunners

[open python]

Sounds better than chief being an emo teenager while the covenant try to go on a field trip

[alpine nexus]

Post war is when you get into Spartan 4s though and it gets boring because everyone is a spartan all of a sudden

[coarse leaf]

there’s only like a few thousand Spartan 4s

There’s I believe UNSC service members in the millions

[wraith depot]

Emo chief if only he was as cool as emo tobey McGuire lol

[alpine nexus]

Tobey Maguire should've played chief

[coarse leaf]

I don’t see how chief is emo tho

[open python]

Emo Tobey Maguire*

[coarse leaf]

he’s not Batman

Actually

Ben affleck as chief would have been good too

[wraith depot]

Please let chief hit the fortnite dance next season paramount please 🙏🏻

[coarse leaf]

I saw someone complain that the Spartan action looked like red vs blue

[crisp hound]

I unironically can see something like that happening

[open python]

Personally I would’ve liked for the actor for chief to be in better shape physically. Dude is 2 burgers away from having a dad bod

[coarse leaf]

That’s a dumb complaint because that’s actually cool

This action in RVB is good

[crisp hound]

Bro what, have you seen his shirtless pictures

[open python]

He looks like out of shape vin diesel

[crisp hound]

Nvm I forgot he’s naked in the show

[wraith depot]

Yeah nah he’s jacked his post is actually perfect tbh

[coarse leaf]

but pablo Schreiber is jacked and ripped?

[wraith depot]

His body

[coarse leaf]

he’s hot tbh

[alpine nexus]

Ideally you'd never notice because he would have his armor on

[coarse leaf]

plus he’s 6’5” which is getting up there to irl Spartan height

I ship John and Kai so much

[crisp hound]

Johnny rings

[coarse leaf]

far better than Jakee

[wraith depot]

His muscle just insnt defined but dudes huge

[coarse leaf]

Jakee is John and Makee

Jai is John and Kai

[wraith depot]

I ship John not having a relationship like how halo is meant to be

[crisp hound]

It would make sense for chief to not be super defined, need to have the weight for other purposes

[coarse leaf]

It’s kind of implied that John likes Linda as more than a friend

[wraith depot]

Only person who should be getting head from halo is Johnson he deserves it

[proud tinsel]

Who is linda

[crisp hound]

Blue team Spartan

[coarse leaf]

John’s gf basically

[wraith depot]

Naw

[coarse leaf]

and trust me he’s got feelings

For her in first strike

You can just tell

[proud tinsel]

Oh yea

[coarse leaf]

If someone saves my dead body to bring me to life weeks later and goes thru hell for me

[wraith depot]

Since atriox made an appearance I can’t wait for noble 6 to show up next with no introduction

Just to add on the the confusion

[deft sinew]

looking forward to watching this last ep

[deft sinew]

i hope that didn't really happen and is just a joke, as opposed to something that did happen and should have been in #933834868637454446

[wraith depot]

It did happen but they don’t introduce him he’s just there

He was there on like episode 5 he’s the brute who took the artifact

[granite badge]

This was the best show ever.

It gave Morbius a run for its money

[crisp hound]

If morbius showed up at the end and morbed the covenant while screaming “it’s morbin time!” this show would have made 10 morbillion dollars

[granite badge]

That is true

In season 2 they need to have a PowerPuff Girls crossover. That would solve a lot of the shows problems

[remote echo]

just finished watching the last episode

i dont know how to feel

but i am curious for season 2

the speech by halsey at the end i thought was really good

if anyone has the script of that speech plz send it to me

[desert coyote]

ep 9 was actuslly pretty good ngl

it mightve been just cus 8 was so bad but i did like ep 9

[clear steppe]

I hope S2 can build off S1's action scenes, because they were all so good.

[little anvil]

Only if the next shot is Vanack ripping his head from his torso in a single brutal move that takes his entire spinal cord with it.
Shows not afraid of gore or entrails so.

[sterile narwhal]

MASTER CHEEKS IS THE BEST VERSION OF THE CHARACTER

[ocean aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-war-in-ba-sing-se-dai-li-agent-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-gif-16455523

Show's going in the same part of my brain as The Last Airbender movie. Just pretend it's not a thing.

[tawdry kestrel]

im liking it a lot so far

ill finish it tomorrow

[ocean aurora]

Both thought they could do better than an already well-crafted world and made unnecessary changes for the sake of it. Changes that fall apart once you think about them for more than a second. Both share about as much in common with their source material as an apple does an orange.

[knotty tendon]

😋

[elder knoll]

Don't know if this belongs here or somewhere else. But please Halo, don't bring Season 2 of this show. Please, I beg you respectfully. You've done enough for Halo. Please no more is needed of you guys.

[white mantle]

Halo season 2: The quest for child support

"I need a job"

[pastel stump]

It's already confirmed that season 2 is in production so bad luck for you I guess

[tawdry kestrel]

Season 2 might actually relate back to the games but who knows

[jagged crypt]

I’m very late, but I just watched episode 1 for the first time. It’s a decent show, just not a very good halo one

[teal mesa]

I doubt it, season 1 was an entertaining to watch but have very little connection to the universe other than factions, and names. Imo

Which is a shame, the action scenes and what was seen in ep 9 really did show off what Spartans are like but also the reality of them.

[tawdry kestrel]

If she show was just Silver team, Halsey drama, and marines it would work. Maybe even Arbiter, Thel 'Vadam, story too

[teal mesa]

It felt it would have done better if it brought reality to some of the missions chief ran when initially getting cortana

Because I do feel it would have still made for good viewing if it was more focused on chief getting to grips with cortana being with him rather than what was given

[sharp barn]

10 million per episode? Seems like somebody got scammed here. The cgi just keeps getting worse.

[buoyant igloo]

I think they probably put more money into certain episodes

[verbal fox]

Covenant Watch Towers^

[cunning star]

The finale cgi was very poor. Which is a shame after some previous episodes were really well done.

[dusky nova]

Spoilers. #933834868637454446.

[dusky nova]

The finale set was awful. Great characters, very evidently poor set CGI.

[sharp barn]

When the CGI characters are still they look good. When in motion on the other hand...
Like, they don't look like they're part of the environment at all, there's little shadows, ambient occlusion.
And the colors do not match the surroundings.

[leaden zodiac]

Cost hella lot more money to make CGI look photorealistic. I guess in S2 they will add more money into that after testing to see how S1 went

[tawdry kestrel]

Hopefully

[leaden zodiac]

But it was amazing to see how much money they spent on the props, the environment they build. And all the explosion effects that is real. They did not cheap out on that!

[tawdry kestrel]

Certainly the completely different biomes etc and map for each planet/scene

[small gazelle]

Halo show more like mid show (it was bad)

[honest mica]

So it’s not even worth me spending money on paramount to watch this show right ?

Seems like an absolute disaster

[toxic warren]

Lot of people have enjoyed it, watch the trailers and see for yourself if it's something you might like

[buoyant igloo]

I'd say it's worth trying yeh

Especially since all the episodes are out

Just don't worry about what you think should happen based off the games and you'll enjoy it a lot more

[sharp barn]

I've seen lower budget series/movies with better cgi.

[buoyant igloo]

Some bits look similar to the Orville cgi if you've watched that

[dusky nova]

Some episodes are great, some are bad. I think it's worth a watch.

[honest mica]

Well I won’t enjoy that at all if it’s not following the halo story and timeline that’s been a thing for the last 20 years that would not be up my alley

[buoyant igloo]

That's fair enough

[honest mica]

I read all of the halo books from the fall of reach trilogy and the silent storm oblivion books and I was really hoping this series would be a cannon based representation of the 30 years that takes place between the covenants first attacks on harvest and the game series in 2552

[buoyant igloo]

Nah it's more of a conversion of halo to appeal to a broader audience

[honest mica]

Ya nvm thanks for the help guys

I think I’m gonna save my money

[buoyant igloo]

Nice one

Maybe when season 2 comes out it'll be better suited for you

[lime gust]

So what do people think of the show here?

I personally think it's terrible 😀

[runic wind]

I like it, It never ceases to entertain.

When it’s bad, it’s comedic. When it’s good, it’s investing.

[lime gust]

It's terrible Halo show and a bad TV series

Wouldn't mind Chief's character if it was good

I'm hoping letterboxd add it to the library because I really need to dig into it

[red sierra]

i think it's not that bad

it's more realistic to how vulnerable humans are

and how they get manipulated and they lose sight of what matters

[civic pelican]

256 script drafts to character assassinate the titular character of the Halo Franchise

[red sierra]

i mean

many shows did that successfully

so what's your point?

[civic pelican]

or was it 265 drafts?

[rich onyx]

Video game TV adaptation never work in the beginning especially if It's halo

[tawdry kestrel]

It's good if you have completely no idea what halo is about and if you want to turn your brain off for a couple minutes and just look at the action

[rich onyx]

Is crap as hell

Didn't feel like halo tho Lol

[tawdry kestrel]

But
You can easily find a better story, plot, character development and pretty much anything else in a machinima halo playlist

[rich onyx]

I just hope It's not 100% Canon to the game

[open herald]

you're probably wondering why I've gathered you all here today

[civic pelican]

probably some mission impossible

[open herald]

great news, its not

[rich onyx]

Thank God tho

[tawdry kestrel]

It's not but I wouldn't be surprised if 343 pulled something from it

[rich onyx]

Also Spielberg is such a boomer when it came to game movie adaptation

[red sierra]

yeah lol

well i still like it overall

[lime gust]

Nah I think it's bad even as a standalone show

[rich onyx]

Bruh "_"

[red sierra]

personally it's fun to watch

[rich onyx]

It's bad

[tawdry kestrel]

Maybe so, but I feel like Spielberg would at least draw from the novels

[red sierra]

y'all just complain too much

[lime gust]

But it shouldn't even be a good TV show and a bad Halo show

[civic pelican]

Mystery Science Theater 3000 fun

[red sierra]

maybe from your point of view

[tawdry kestrel]

Idk the fight scenes were fun to look at despite them lasting less than 5 minutes

[rich onyx]

Did u even play halo ? Lol

[open herald]

i'll say this. the action was cool. john going through his scene phase was not

[red sierra]

who cares if it's like the games

[rich onyx]

Surely if u play the game u wont like the show because it didn't feel like Halo

[lime gust]

Halo Fans???

[red sierra]

no one said it will resemble the games lmao

[civic pelican]

81 million people that bought the game?

[lime gust]

But that's a bad thing

[tawdry kestrel]

Uhh it's kinda in the title

[red sierra]

well then just don't watch it

[lime gust]

It should be somewhat like the games while doing it's own thing

[tawdry kestrel]

People who like halo are 99.999% came from the game

[lime gust]

Yeah I saw that lmao

[tawdry kestrel]

And then they split off and read the books

[red sierra]

just don't watch it and that's that

[lime gust]

It does not make it any better

[open herald]

dudes allowed to like it, if he enjoyed it, then thats whats up

[lime gust]

I'm not saying he can't enjoy the show

[rich onyx]

Agree tho

[lime gust]

But he cannot deny the show should have been for Halo Fans somewhat

It is called Halo, so we should get a Halo show

[red sierra]

it was said it will not be years before it was released

[tawdry kestrel]

Idk about that

[red sierra]

well you continue complaining

[lime gust]

What do you mean?

[red sierra]

i'm out

[tawdry kestrel]

Pretty sure the first notion of Spielberg telling us that there's going to be a halo show on the Microsoft show was going to be a show for the fans

And that was in what? 2013?

[red sierra]

people lie all the time lmao

they didn't do it for the fans

[lime gust]

That's an issue

[red sierra]

they did it for the money

even them including smecks was just for money

[tawdry kestrel]

This is some kind of next level corporation jujitsu defense that I cannot get a grapple on

[red sierra]

cause every modern tv show needs smecks

[lime gust]

Chun ha is just chris thorndyke lmao

[red sierra]

it's not like we can do anything about it

[lime gust]

We can

[red sierra]

they won't listen to complaints anyways

[civic pelican]

sorry that's an asinine statement you can do it for the fans and still makes billions of money (IE MARVEL).

[lime gust]

We can just not watch the show and make are voiced heard

[red sierra]

if you think they will you're highly delusional

[red sierra]

sure buddy. keep on dreaming

[tawdry kestrel]

Bonnie Ross and Kiki wolf kill just gotta go away from halo

[lime gust]

Sonic the hedgehog?

Mass fan outcry changed the design

I think a similar thing should happen with Halo season 2

[tawdry kestrel]

I dont

I think any halo show should stay dead

[lime gust]

I think a Halo show could work, make it animated imo

[tawdry kestrel]

Hollywood doesn't care about what is good for the fans, they just know that if they put a name out there that has ties in with a franchise, then they can milk it

Just like star trek and how no one cares about it anymore

[red sierra]

if you think it's the same thing you are very funny

[lime gust]

Base it off Combat evolved with some Halo 2, 20 mins episodes and better character writing

[red sierra]

Sonic producers gave a crap

[lime gust]

People aren't watching this show that aren't die hard fans

[red sierra]

i don't think the ones that made this anomaly even care

[lime gust]

Or hate watching

[red sierra]

you could tell that from the minute they said they never even looked at the halo games (still they did)

[lime gust]

They should have

I am not asking for them to be super fans just to understand the basic fundamentals

[civic pelican]

and the fall of reach novel...that book gives great background for John and the spartans in general

[red sierra]

oh well

[tawdry kestrel]

Yeah they looked at the game.
Maybe like the box cover for it and Google images

[red sierra]

i think they'll never even care

[red sierra]

they used lines that aren't even relevant

[lime gust]

Could have played the games in the easiest difficulty if it was that hard idk

[red sierra]

Cortana saying "the queen and the pawn go back into the same box" at irrelevant moments. and it's not even her line

[toxic warren]

The article that said this was incorrect, it was later clarified that they did play the games

[civic pelican]

only for damage control

[toxic warren]

Or, because they did

[lime gust]

Yeah there is no excuse why the show is this far from it

[tawdry kestrel]

Sure there is

[lime gust]

I'm not expecting fight scenes every episode but at least make the show interesting

[regal echo]

I wonder why they greenlit season 2 so fast

[tawdry kestrel]

Something something creative writer freedom

[lime gust]

Like make them venture through the ring

[regal echo]

Yeah the fight scenes were the best part of the show IMO, wish they did more

[tawdry kestrel]

god i'm still cringing at "Find the Halo, Win the War"

[civic pelican]

then why did they say that in the first place...“We didn’t look at the game,” says Season 1 showrunner Steven Kane (“The Last Ship”). “We didn’t talk about the game. We talked about the characters and the world. So I never felt limited by it being a game.”

[tawdry kestrel]

god i hope bungie pulls back their intention of expanding their destiny ip to movies and shows

[lime gust]

Anyway I'm gonna leave talking about this show makes me sad

See ya

[toxic warren]

https://twitter.com/mrstevenkane/status/1506421683841757189

Steven Kane (@mrstevenkane)

@Variety Headlines are fun, but here’s what I really said: To make the Halo TV series, we started from the game, and then we made the pilgrimage to 343 to study the entire canon, so that we could bring you the FULL Halo experience! #HaloTheSeries

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[civic pelican]

like I said damage control.

[toxic warren]

Not everything is this huge conspiracy or damage control cover up. Lost count of how many times I've seen 343 misquoted - even from their own blogs

[tawdry kestrel]

god going to 343 to study the entire canon

[civic pelican]

<shrugs> it's a done deal now....season two has a new show runner so we can still look to the future with hope.

[tawdry kestrel]

was that their mistake

[open herald]

so did they succeed in that

[tawdry kestrel]

can't wait for season 2 where spartans are on the infinity and we have a whole show on why multiplayer is canon

[open herald]

the biggest grounds for halo are the games, and everything elses branches from it, so to give the best halo experience, taking more influence from the games would probably make more sense than the least

[primal dove]

Completely abandon everything and remake Spartan Ops exactly

[open herald]

what

is this like a flip on what i said, or what u would rther they do with the show

[hollow bridge]

not true lmao

[tawdry kestrel]

will there be a season 2

[open herald]

yes

[tawdry kestrel]

when

[hollow bridge]

so many people in this country watch so many different types of shows, shows youve never even heard of and shows from other countries. People watch the show, people you least expect to even watch it too.
My mom who is aware of halo because of my love for it watched and enjoyed the hell out of the show

[open herald]

no confirmed date

just greenlit, before season 1

[hollow bridge]

she thought it was fantastic

[tawdry kestrel]

its a good show if you don't know alot about the source material

[open herald]

thats whats up

[hollow bridge]

60 yo retiree enjoyed the show and i enjoyed it for what it was. My biggest gripe for the finale was lack of biofoam tbh

lmao

[open herald]

i mean i dont like it as a show in general, halo or not, but i can see where others would like it

[hollow bridge]

and thats fine

but i hate when the part of the community that hates it so much seems to think the only ones watching are people on reddit

[open herald]

the victory is knowing that grunts made it in

[hollow bridge]

its the same reason why i hate when people advocate to not preorder games

the general consumer and public does give two peeps about the issues with preorderinh

we are a vocal minority

[tawdry kestrel]

Well then you must've really loved it because it draws ideas of the source materials

[tawdry kestrel]

Tbh, you shouldn't pre order games. That's just smart consumer thinking

[open herald]

yeah, dont let others try and take away ur joy of the show. it was huge disappointment for myself, but hit perfectly for others. my only concern is that this is the only form of live action halo we'll have for awhile. my hope is that someone could work on a movie seperate from the silver ttimeline, and aim for an audiance like myself that want to see more influence from the games than anything

not that it would have to be a retelling, but more familiar to that area

[hollow bridge]

we shouldnt but we only think that because we actually game

we are in the know for the most part

but thats a discussion for another channel lol

[tawdry kestrel]

It was 50-50 for me. Remove Kwan, and a few scenes with Chief being a baby and it works fine as another show. I understand he has to grow as a character and can't always be a cold machine. But I just feel like the writing makes no sense why things happen the way they do.

[hollow bridge]

i think kwan is the only thing i really diliekd about it. they put a regular civilian in for no real reason and it didnt really work well. she saved her planet, lets leave her behind now

no hate to the actres tho

[tawdry kestrel]

Saved her planet temporarily. Until the covenant show up. She immediately forgot about what happened. I won't talk about it here cause it's spoilers but episode one she pulled a 180 and I was like, are you dumb in the head? Lol

she will probably become a spartan 4 in later seasons

[tawdry kestrel]

Covenant attacks her little circle town on Madrigal
UNSC deploys spartan
Spartans fend covenant
"tHiS iS tHe UNSC fault"

unsc bad

Ha

[mystic spoke]

Despite the extensive amount of source material to base off of and reference from that's been proven successful, the cooperation of those that work first hand with the development of said accomplished material, and the collection of decent actors that they worked with, the writers and directors failed to make a comprehensive work.
Sweeping away the fact that this is a separate "timeline"/universe from the previously established material, the timeline of events established in this show don't make sense from most points of view.
Aside from the main plot not being very clear, the side plots either dead end themselves and/or have no relevancy to the main plot from their outset. The main characters seem to change their opinions no matter how deep-seeded they are for very little if any reason at all from what is presented to the audience.
All of that with sub-par camera work, very mixed-quality CGI, and even QA errors for the final cut make this show confusing and laughable. This is not a show for fans of Halo, and it doesn't seem to try to invite non-fans to become interested.
2.5/10

[hollow bridge]

sub par camerawork

[ocean nimbus]

The whole franchise has gone down the schiiter

[tawdry kestrel]

the only thing bad is the story tho , the rest is pretty decent

[hollow bridge]

it does invite non-fans to become interested lmao

exhibit A- my family

[ocean nimbus]

You'd think they would cater to their loyal fanbase but what do I know about marketing ...

[tawdry kestrel]

tbh , as long as its a separate time-line it doesn't really matter

[hollow bridge]

yup

[ocean nimbus]

Welp, was just popping in to see how the server was, still dead, So sad, back to watching the CS:GO PGL Major c:

[hollow bridge]

have fun!

[mystic spoke]

The number of non-action scenes that weren't smoothed out, random unnecessary camera rolls, and bad Boca-effect application was just sad. Bad B-roll was bad.

[mystic spoke]

Why did they start watching the show?

[tawdry kestrel]

The camera work imo is very strange. It works and then it jumps into first person view which looks horrible and a blurry mess

[hollow bridge]

They already like space shows (a la star trek) and knew of it because of my interests in it. we watched it together and they enjoyed it a lot

[tawdry kestrel]

Cgi is poor in modern standard

[hollow bridge]

CGI is great in modern standard of most TV shows

movies are a different story

you want poor? check out CW and other shows that dont specialize in it

[tawdry kestrel]

This is like slightly better than a cw cgi

[hollow bridge]

nah its much better

[tawdry kestrel]

And that's like a 8 piece nugget difference

[hollow bridge]

significantly imo

[tawdry kestrel]

It looks disjointed

The movement is so strange

[hollow bridge]

looked fine to me 🤷‍♂️

i will defend crew member work to the death lmao

[tawdry kestrel]

I feel like you guys are too picky

Can't really be picky when it's right in front of you on how weird it looks

That's like looking at the color red and trying to somehow make it turn blue

[mystic spoke]

It's sweet that they want to watch a show because they know it holds/has held your interest, and I'm glad that they got interested with something related to Halo, but I doubt they would have started or continued watching without you.
Everyone that I had told about the show that wasn't already interest in something Halo is aware of my interest but also of the highly militarized background this universe is born out of. None of them have been able to follow and enjoy it through this 1st season. I don't think any except 2 made it past the 4th episode.

[latent yoke]

that's just the halo community in general tbh

[mystic spoke]

I started focusing on more of the minor details once the main plot and character arcs weren't landing that well for me. I tried to find anything decent I could say about this show, but there plenty of inconsistencies. CGI could have used more focus and "fancy" camera work could have been toned down, but the numerous QA and/or writing failures were the biggest blunder IMO. Actors tried and I feel they did their best with what they were given.

[open herald]

Cortana might be my favorite part of this show

[keen sail]

The covenant location CGI is really not good

[lament pine]

https://youtu.be/PQRoD6qc2Jw I made this for fun

series was just like

idk

mediocre whatever way you slice it

[spice summit]

I started watching this show with a group of friends, by the end of episode 3 it was just me watching it still. Most of their reasons were that this didn’t feel like Halo and most of the CGI looked really cheap.

[spice summit]

I agree. This is not on the actors because they had to work with a romcom script

[lament pine]

telenovela type beat

[spice summit]

I’ll see what they have in store for us with S2. If its more Kwan, I’m gonna be looking forward to the new season of Snowpiercer.

[crisp hound]

I’m sorry but Cortana looks so bad

[open herald]

Cortana carried this

[glacial gazelle]

-Watches "Landfall" trailer, excited for new Halo show.
-Watches new Halo show.....shakes head.....sighs. -goes back defeated, watches Landfall again........

[crisp hound]

Forward unto dawn is pretty refreshing for that purpose

[glacial gazelle]

Agreed it's like going back and watching the Star-wars prequels.....

[hollow bridge]

they wouldve watched it regardless, they didnt watch BECAUSE of my interest

and you talk like im a kid or something

granted you wouldnt know

but that message just rubbed me the wrong way as if I'm a kid and they just tolerated it because I liked it

they genuinely enjoyed it. they watch A TON of tv and enjoy plenty of shows that the general public doesnt like or even know about

[worn arrow]

The only way I could tolerate watching it is remembering it’s not a halo show, it’s a non canon halo show

Then it is somewhat enjoyable .

But it is in essence a sci fi military show, appropriating the halo ip for money. Whilst ignoring the existing fan base

[hollow bridge]

it was a solid series with the non-canon stuff in mind imo. but thats a stance i take on most media that i watch. i like pretty much anything i watch. Everything is "alright" in my mind. I'm not a critical person really. I don't get bent out of shape about it either.

i just enjoy things

[frozen onyx]

i just can't get over the fact that the 3 prophets were floating right above silver team and neither the zombie chief nor the rest of the spartans thought to shoot them

[hollow bridge]

on the off chance that i dont liek something then ill probably never talk about it much

[frozen onyx]

and cortana waited to remote pilot the pelican after chief let himself die

[hollow bridge]

i dont think they were aware of the position of those 3 tbh

[frozen onyx]

they're spartans how would they not know

cortana should've been able to detect them

[hollow bridge]

because through out the series theyre still learning about the covenant

[worn arrow]

That’s fine speedy , just don’t criticize people if they do choose to make criticism on some pretty glaring issues

[hollow bridge]

it was weird though

[frozen onyx]

i mean even if they weren't aware of the prophets, the pelican thing still gets me

[hasty sedge]

Its still weird how the Covenant weren't shown as that big of a threat compared to canon

[frozen onyx]

23 billion human casualties over 28 years in the main canon. that's what, 800 million a year on average? show doesn't seem to capture the dire essence of that situation at all

[radiant nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68wbOTATHpk Writers actually played Mass effect and not Halo, very convenient. Plus, that woman is the female announcer is the same voice from Mass Effect 3

[tawdry kestrel]

I mean it kinda would make sense

If this was a mass effect show

Touch beacon? Gain weird visions? Chief is actually just some super powered high ranking official that is pretty much just a specter?

[radiant nova]

So my theory is true .omg

[idle pawn]

No it isn't lol, legit conspiracy theory that has no basis with absolutely nothing to back it up.

[tawdry kestrel]

I am like 100% he wasn't serious

[radiant nova]

You dont even know what was my theory. So plis be🤫. You kinda of hater, aren't you?

[little anvil]

You say that as if this server isnt filled with them.

[hexed ice]

have you even read these chats during the day, or on episode release day 😂, it's filled with 30 year old men crying about how a separate movie that was said to not live off of the game or book lore, doesn't follow the lore and story of the books or game, even though they clearly said it was going to be a completely different take on the halo franchise🤣

what I am saying is that I agree with killer orca in the fact that you act like this server isn't 2/3 haters

[little anvil]

2/3rds is too generous. I'd go down to something like 6/8ths.

If its not this channel its Infinites or general with "the usual"

[real scarab]

Game and show bad

[real scarab]

It’s because we’ve been waiting for a show/movie that involves the main cast for a very long time and the one we finally got isn’t cannon

[hexed ice]

well people don't need to hate the ones that actually enjoy it and send d**** treats to people that like it

[real scarab]

Dog treats?

Yea I don’t know why people are like that

[little anvil]

Same reason it happens in other fandoms; social disconnection.

[iron leaf]

How come Sgt. Johnson isn't the Main character instead? He's regular (kinda, orion project and all that) shows his face and is beloved by the fans?

Why couldn't they make the story closer to the established canon instead of going so off the rails that its just Halo in name?

"I wish for a live action Halo TV show" is a monkey-paw wish.

[latent yoke]

i forgot the source, but apparently danny sapani auditioned for johnson, but got cast for keyes instead

he would've made an amazing johnson

[latent yoke]

is there a rip of the halo theme from episode 9 anywhere? it sounded amazing but unfortunately it was pretty quiet

[steel rain]

wait are keyes and halsey together too in the halo games universe?

[tawdry kestrel]

the tv series is really good i would agree with it being 7/10 change my mind

[rapid sage]

Yes

[rich cedar]

ngl i kinda like miranda and keyes in this universe

even tho game verse didnt have much development of them

[rotund hamlet]

Because Sgt. Johnson doesn't have the same recognizability to a general audience that Master Chief has

[idle pawn]

Not to mention Johnson has been dead & irrelevant since Halo 3

[spice summit]

So he’s not dead and still relevant in 2552?

This show is prior to Halo 1-3

[idle pawn]

The character's relevance has been dead & irrelevant since Halo 3 in 2007

[steel rain]

ohhh woow never noticed that thats why she has a pic of miranda on her desk in halo 4

also does Chief know that halsey kidnapped the spartan IIs in the game universe?

[tawdry kestrel]

in the game yeah

they all knew

they were indoctrinated by messages such as they would be humanity's savior and such and such

they all knew they gave up being a child to be a soldier

well no i take it back, not in game but in the book

[steel rain]

but the book is part of the game universe?

[tawdry kestrel]

yeah

it goes like this, they were kidnapped at 6, trained until 14 and then augmented

so they knew they were taken but they wouldn't really have a whole lot of memories when they were 14

as i don't think any 14yr old kid would know what happened exactly when they were 6

iirc, like 2 of the spartan 2 fully remembers and went and found their clones

[rich cedar]

was it me or did the fight arena feel low polly like low res textures etc to fit all the models instead on the battlefield

good trade but still something felt off

[little anvil]

Everything important in Halo has happened in a book. The games storylines are boring by comparison

Every book is canon. As are everything else thats put out, bar a single animated short...which is canon, in universe, as it stands.

[rich cedar]

otherwise the honor guards reminds me kinda of halo wars honor guards

[little anvil]

Ie; the animated short is an animated short, in the Halo universe, because anime survived to the 2500s

[rich cedar]

i noticed something too makee sounds like my key when you say her name fast intentionall or?

xd

thoughts?

[austere hill]

I was expecting the same Halo Wars sequence with the lances. What a missed opportunity.

[rich cedar]

true

[spice summit]

Same goes for Keyes, but he’s still here? Your point?

[tawdry kestrel]

don't bother

[idle pawn]

He's not the main character nor is the show entirely focused on him.

[spice summit]

Same for Johnson though?

[tawdry kestrel]

don't bother

dude actually has horrible takes and will just put the yawn emote on you

[spice summit]

He was pretty adamant on replying just then. Saw him typing for about 30min, but seems he has given up. I’m honestly just curious

[keen sail]

Don't like the Keyes actor.

[little anvil]

The beards not exactly Navy standard is it?

[keen sail]

He's just dull

[little anvil]

But then, hes not on a ship, hes assigned to Naval ground ops.

[tawdry kestrel]

yep, i just think he's trolling 90% of the time or he has never played halo

legit horrible takes

anyway i think they did a great job casting the actor who played keyes

shame he played keyes, his whole figure would've been a perfect fit for a grizzled johnson

[little anvil]

Im still not sure why they got Keyes, considering he never commands a ship. He spends most of his time doing officer stuff and then fights a little bit.

[keen sail]

Still think Miranda probably one of the best characters in the series.

[latent yoke]

her and kai were the best imo

[wild merlin]

So is this show really as bad as I’ve heard it is?

[hexed ice]

nah it's pretty good, just don't let the stinky diehard halo fans trick you into thinking it sucks 😂

[tawdry kestrel]

If you know nothing about halo and want to watch a show with a couple of ok action scene, then this is a decent watch

If you've played halo or read the lore, you will most likely not like it

[coarse leaf]

what about him is dull?

you can argue that the way he’s written is dull, but he’s a good actor and plays the part well

[obsidian rampart]

Me either

[latent yoke]

should've been Johnson

[tawdry kestrel]

I'm so happy it's over it was a terrible mess with a horrible plot and it's terrible Master Chief that had a wanna be John Wick voice mixed with a wannabe mandalorian personality "Not my Halo" Marcus Lehto

[toxic warren]

@atomic compass #933834868637454446

[flat garnet]

I tried to talk about the show on Reddit, I got out ratiod, am I safe here 😞

[tawdry kestrel]

i mean.... ill downvote you if you want it

[tawdry kestrel]

🤨

Go ahead speak

[flat garnet]

The finale ep wasn’t that bad 😖

[frozen onyx]

it was great. john died and then started actually acting like the master chief

[flat garnet]

Yeah but side note

Master chef, what can you make me today

[frozen onyx]

A better halo tv show 😉

[flat garnet]

[frozen onyx]

Show begins with the fall of reach and noble team. Same characters except noble 6 is a female spartan 3 by the name of Kwan Ha. She delivers cortana to the pillar of autumn and actually makes it out alive with the master chief. After that narrative plays out, Master Chief wakes up from cryo sleep. Kwan briefly details the events of the fall of reach to john as they sprint towards the bridge to meet captain keyes. Cortana appears, thanks Kwan for transporting her safely to the autumn, and the 2 spartans continue fighting onward. Kwan Ha's backstory as told similarly to the show to explain how she's actually a perfect candidate for the spartan 3 program.

There is ways to retell the same story but add other characters and different plot twists.

I literally thought Kwan Ha would end up a spartan 3 but I'm not so sure about that now.

[heady halo]

“As a director, you have responsibility to respect this world.”

“Do you feel like you have respect? That this gives you the love over me?”

[frozen onyx]

Did a good job respecting it in the fight scenes and costume design. Story? Not so much lol

[tawdry kestrel]

I would rather die before Kwan becomes a spartan 3, let alone noble 6

[frozen onyx]

If she was a good character it’d be perfectly acceptable. I thought that’s what they were setting her up for in episode 1. Young kid who got orphaned due to the human covenant war.

[ashen ginkgo]

I need more halo

[buoyant igloo]

Yeh, going from hatred of Spartans to actually becoming one would've been a cool arc

[tawdry kestrel]

Ah yeah you know what
Had kwan been like idk say like 5 or 6 years younger and they cast a kid to act those scenes?

Yeah I'd believe it. Could even be like a little messed up child soldier in ep 1 where she held the br at chief

[ashen ginkgo]

Never saw Halsey as such an evil menace but whatever lol

[frozen onyx]

I believe in one of the books she’s depicted that way actually.

[ashen ginkgo]

Your name would be great for those home meal kits

[frozen onyx]

LOL

[ashen ginkgo]

That get mailed to you

Jen Taylor has had such an interesting life

Voice of Cortana for video game, smartphone assistant, and now in a tv show

[buoyant igloo]

Is ur pfp from Spartan ops ?

[ashen ginkgo]

It is. I’m in love with Gabriel Thorne

[buoyant igloo]

Was he the one with the recon helmet ?

[ashen ginkgo]

Thorne wears the Recruit variant of the MJOLNIR GEN2 armor with Ricochet forearms, equipped with VISR 4.09. His armor is painted blue like the rest of Majestic. He generally uses an MA5D assault rifle in combat. After Paul DeMarco killed Gek 'Lhar, Thorne took the Elite's Type-3 active camouflage module.

https://www.halopedia.org/Gabriel_Thorne

😍😍😍

[chilly sorrel]

Lots of young kids being orphaned

The show, first episode in: Kwan is very important, she’s a main character.
The show, by the sixth episode: Kwan Ha has left the chat

[tawdry kestrel]

O wow I'm not sure if this is accurate

But apparently Jen Taylor had to audition for Cortana for the show?

Wtf is 343 and paramount even thinking

[chilly sorrel]

You know what I want to see for season 2?

Cortana goes evil

Gets fed up with being treated like an object

Sides with Halsey

Or is just against everyone in genera

[tawdry kestrel]

Ah yeah, I had a little theory that s2 would just be 343's big brain story telling and have Cortana just go on her 5 and infinite rampancy

[chilly sorrel]

Skynet

[tawdry kestrel]

It would just be skipping the entire bungie halo lore and straight into 343's

[chilly sorrel]

My dad said the actor who plays John in the show is the definition of “fine”
All the other actors are better.
But my dad has a point in that if all the side characters are more interesting than the main character, you’ve got a serious problem.

[ashen ginkgo]

They haven’t even found halo yet

I must admit I’d like to see the storyline laid out in the first 3 books

Kinda hard to do that now without a crap ton of flashbacks to Spartan training

[chilly sorrel]

Also where exactly did Makee come from? Her very existence breaks the entire story.

[frozen onyx]

I mean having only certain humans be reclaimers rather than all of them like the mainline canon was a good explanation as to how a human ended up in the covenant

[buoyant igloo]

I think episode 9 helped explain it too

[chilly sorrel]

Well thanks for the spoilers…
🙄

[buoyant igloo]

Hahaha my bad forgot which chat I was in

[broken comet]

Tried to watch the series today but is it not possible to watch on the Xbox? I couldn’t find an app for paramount and it won’t load in edge ?

[vale cradle]

Dr Halsey really said you thought lol

[frozen onyx]

i watch it on my xbox one s (that somehow just became a TV companion rather than for gaming) using the prime video app

if you have amazon prime then you can watch it on there

[open herald]

THATS IT, IM HERE TO COMPLAIN

Where the hell was Craig

[bold trellis]

FR

[bold trellis]

THEY SHOULD HAVE DUMPED KWAN AND MADE A CRAIG SIDE AVENTURINE

[hasty sedge]

Amusing

[open herald]

FACTS

[tawdry kestrel]

See ya khan but tru facts

[tawdry kestrel]

I don’t get why kwan was a storyline, im sure there was more intriguing options than her

[chilly sorrel]

Another useless character

Like Makee and the unnamed ONI representatives

[tawdry kestrel]

is she even in the games

[chilly sorrel]

Nope. Never existed

[tawdry kestrel]

Well

That’s unfortunate

[chilly sorrel]

I’m especially disappointed with Makee, her existence breaks the storyline

John is supposed to be the only one who can use forerunner tech

[tawdry kestrel]

Well he is now

[chilly sorrel]

If Makee can use it too, why doesn’t the covenant just have her use it instead

I just watched episode 6

[tawdry kestrel]

Make said she can use the tech to find the big piece that was taken

the covenant had possession of the artifact in episode 1 what happened there idk

[broken comet]

Ok thank you didn’t know it was in there. Doesn’t like like my one month trial will transfer but they offer a 7 day one. Thanks!

[livid blade]

No, not just John, if you are looking at it from games perspective (and normal lore/timeline), every human can use forerunner tech, because they were chosen as the reclaimers.

[chilly sorrel]

But only John and Makee can activate the Keystone

[livid blade]

In the silver timeline, yes, and I wouldn't say that only Chief and Makee can activate the keystone, maybe there will be more humans that we just don't saw already

[chilly sorrel]

Maybe only people who are orphans can access it!

In that case, I wonder if Kwan does it in S2

[buoyant igloo]

All the Spartans would be able to access it but they can't

[slim igloo]

Guys, please never, ever again let people have creative freedom in a well established IP

I just finished watching the 9th episode and honest i don't care if they gonna renew the show for a second season. I actually believe its too far gone already

[idle pawn]

Season 2 has already been confirmed & filming starts in this summer.

[slim igloo]

I liked the cast, they do need to earn, but that's a giant waste of money if they continue down this road

Its actually the first ever time i've rated a movie less then 5 stars in IMDB

[weary sail]

About to start the series despite swearing I wouldn’t

Let’s see how it goes

My dad is a big sci-fi fan but he doesn’t know anything about Halo, so I want to get his thoughts on it as just a sci-fi series

[tawdry kestrel]

i loved the show

[weary sail]

Episode 1 is pretty solid so far

[tawdry kestrel]

Hell no

She is so irrelevant

idk why she is here

Is there any odst in the series I haven’t watched much into the first episode

[little anvil]

No

[austere hill]

There is no ONI, Spartan 3, ODST, Harvest (only mention), or much of Halo's lore

It's an actual self-contained show, now that I think of it.

[weary sail]

It’s generic sci-fi that says “Halo” on it

[slim igloo]

They only use like chief, cortana and helsey and branded it a Halo

I can't understand how this was allowed. Aren't the show makers fans or something.

[brave iris]

No lmao

[slim igloo]

i'm still salty after watching the last episode

mfs get you exited and in the end it turned out this 😄

[brave iris]

I just read through the spoiler chat and decided it isn’t worth my time or money lol

[slim igloo]

honestly no

They have the story written probably more then a decade ago. Its known to be a total hook for us nerds. I still don't get it how they ended up where the series ended 😄

[remote echo]

The good parts of the series are like really amazingly good and the bad parts are so incredibly bad

[silent comet]

yes

[tawdry kestrel]

Yes

[subtle magnet]

When Halsey cloned John, why did she have to take the original and wipe memory when she could have just used the clone for the Spartan program and also no need to wipe since clones may have had memory reset too?

[weary sail]

Flash cloning leads to neurological defects that result in death within a few months

[subtle magnet]

Oh so John's parents would think their child died of natural causes in few months?

[weary sail]

Yes

[subtle magnet]

Got it thanks. Damn... Evil Halsey lol

[weary sail]

As with all the other Spartans

[rotund hamlet]

Can someone tell me why Installation00 posted an apology video for his view on the show's haters?

I never watched the original video where he said this, so the context isn't entirely clear to me

[pastel stump]

So iirc, he did a video about people kinda getting way too much in the hate show train and saying that the show was ok
People kinda took that waaaaay to seriously and harassing him

So nothing new in the community

[slim igloo]

Hey we all are voicing opinions

[pastel stump]

Never said anything about that but ok

You can dislike the show and criticise about it but never harass people, that's the thing that happen and happening right now with people who ended up liking the show

[tawdry kestrel]

That's not harassment

[pastel stump]

Then what it is, surprise me

[tawdry kestrel]

That's using a controversial topic to generate views and then playing the victim

The problem is. Any positive feedback towards the show promotes something similar happening in the future. And we better make sure it does not.

[slim igloo]

Show just wasn't Halo, should have just called it something else

[tawdry kestrel]

Even if it was something else, it's godawful by every metric.

[tawdry kestrel]

They used halo because they knew that the fans would watch it's a huge bait

[pastel stump]

It's an ok show, it does have their issues
Take whatever you want with my take

[slim igloo]

no an okey show would be something original

when you slap the name of Halo over garbage, even thou actor play was good, its not okey

[tawdry kestrel]

Please take a look at Halo Wars 2 trailer and then come and tell me with a straight face that the TV show was "ok".

[pastel stump]

I still find it the typical show that I watch it and then move on, I find it ok and that's it

[slim igloo]

Hell yeah brother, did those people even watched some of the Halo cinematics

I mean the only true time i felt it like halo was the first episode with them elites slaughtering everyone 😄

[pastel stump]

🤷‍♂️

[tawdry kestrel]

Yeah and even that looked lame because the CG was very poorly done.

[slim igloo]

i guess i'm trying to say i wouldn't have mind if they released it under another name

[tawdry kestrel]

(Tho maybe it was all a kraig reference)

[slim igloo]

Just not Halo for sakes

[pastel stump]

It is what it is

[slim igloo]

it shouldn't be, how many more IPs people are going to butcher

there are plenty good sci-fi stories out there they could have made, same cast same stuff just different name and no spartans 😄

[tawdry kestrel]

The show would work better without it's "halo" name

And theme

[slim igloo]

that's what i'm saying too, they just butchered the name and the theme in my eyes

[pastel stump]

Not my problem, I just watch it, find it ok and then move on to other stuff
We knew that this is just another typical adaptation game that usually happends to be mediocre (except some movies like Sonic but that's it)

[tawdry kestrel]

You see, even tho I do not like the Halo games, the trailers for most of them are very well made. And I really wish we would get a game that resembles them (especially the HW2 one).
But given the incompetence of 343, the second hope was for the TV series to get that done right.

But what we got was worse than anything that could have been.

[tawdry kestrel]

Yes sir panda

[slim igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l785cqiTPpw for sakes this is from 2009

this is what got us nerds hooked to this

[pastel stump]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-well-what-what-can-i-say-gif-14685345

Aw my inheritor doesn't work here oh well

[slim igloo]

well i'm sorry but with your way of acting you will see many more of your favorite stories getting butchered

and will be like .... meh whatever

[pastel stump]

I still don't see the problem when I took them as just an adaptation and then you know, move on
If I don't like it then ok If I do then ok too

[tawdry kestrel]

Yes

[pastel stump]

It's not the big end of the world so eh

[tawdry kestrel]

People not caring or accepting garbage is the reason we keep getting it. And at higher rates.

[slim igloo]

this ain't us thou, when i order stake i get stake i don't get some vegan meat presented as a stake

[pastel stump]

Yeah because food and a show is very comparable

[tawdry kestrel]

I think the people liking the show are a danger to this community because they give the showmakers the wrong ideas: that their story is good

[slim igloo]

well when the menu says stake, you expect stake

when the tv series says Halo, I expect Halo

pretty similar and comparable

[tawdry kestrel]

It's abuse

[pastel stump]

LOL

[tawdry kestrel]

It's disrespectfull to fans

[slim igloo]

its much more then that, but the corporate thugs won't understand it

[tawdry kestrel]

Because some showrunner thinks he can do better

they need to chek their ego

[slim igloo]

I believe there were hardly real Halo fans in the cast and the management

[tawdry kestrel]

I'm a reach fan

I'm not a master chief fan but I want him to be represented well

[tawdry kestrel]

They themselves admitted they had no clue what Halo was.

I'm a noble 6 fan

[slim igloo]

actually what got me hooked to Halo in general was the book with operation torpedo

[tawdry kestrel]

What got me into halo was reach

[slim igloo]

I salute the SPARTAN IIIs that were sent to certain death

[tawdry kestrel]

Reach is closer to reality than master chief is

[slim igloo]

I got nothing to say about how the planet looked, it was sufficient 😄

[tawdry kestrel]

What got me into Halo was... the death of mutliplayer shooters.

[slim igloo]

point is i would really do whatever it takes not to see any more great stories getting butchered like this

[tawdry kestrel]

I had nowhere else to go. Not even here now that Infinite was a flop and I see that Halo as a franchise is dead now.

[slim igloo]

i'd voice i'd fight if i have to

[tawdry kestrel]

Guess we will have another shot in 6 years.

[slim igloo]

As far as i've been told earlier they will do a second season

and i believe they will understand the truth once it gets out and it doesn't reach even half the people that currently watched it

and don't worry guys, voice your concerns, halo deserves us!

and we deserve halo, the one that at least I grew with and that has been part of most of my mature life

[rotund hamlet]

Let me see the community's consolidated script treatments for a 9 episode series before making these claims

Because i'm already getting the impression of what fans really want, and their ideas sound honestly worse or just too safe at best

[slim igloo]

can you be more clear on that

[tawdry kestrel]

Well I did hear some people wanting a re-telling of Halo CE. Which yes, is a terrible idea.

[slim igloo]

what exactly do fans want, i for once would like too see a well done televised version of the books

[tawdry kestrel]

I mean just use common sense and take inspiration from the Halo game trailers.

That means big scale battles, stretched over 10 episodes. That's all we need.

[slim igloo]

Well they could have just skipped Reach

and kinda went to the Halo with the pillar of autumn just finding it

honestly i think this could have worked way better then their current plotline

or like i said earlier just rebrand the damn series and don't call it halo

you wouldn't have seen me writing even a roll if it wasn't named Halo

[tawdry kestrel]

Are you one of the showmakers?

[slim igloo]

i highly doubt there are showmakers in here

[rotund hamlet]

The community's ideas either go between the following

• Direct adaptation of Halo CE/2/3/4/5
• Band of Brothers with ODST, which sounds good on paper but I don't know if people wanting this have seen the movie

[tawdry kestrel]

Are you saying that band of brother is bad?

[rotund hamlet]

I haven't seen any community treatments that go beyond these two ideas, which is where my "playing it too safe" thing comes from

[slim igloo]

so pretty much most people envision Halo as an adaptation of Halo

I guess i'm in that boat 😄

look like i said it wouldn't have bothered anyone if they just slapped a different name and removed few names and stuff halo related 😄

[tawdry kestrel]

Well Halo means Halo, I can't call a movie batman and make a movie about spiderman instead

[slim igloo]

people that liked it would have liked it again

[rotund hamlet]

A Band of Brothers plot would be just COD with aliens

[slim igloo]

i'd prefer the adaptation

[tawdry kestrel]

How?

[slim igloo]

maybe if it worked well and made money then go for a Band of brothers ODST 😄

[tawdry kestrel]

That's a biased take

How can ODST band of brother be cod?

[slim igloo]

opinions does it matter what we call it

it woudln't be band of brothers nor cod eitherway

[tawdry kestrel]

I mean Halo is CoD with aliens...

Not everything military is cod

[slim igloo]

poor choice of words but i get him 😄

[rotund hamlet]

Halo is a 80s style blockbuster space adventure while Band of Brothers is your stereotypical war film. A BoB-style is so tonally disconnected from what Halo really is

[tawdry kestrel]

The most generic, stereotypical military lore, with alien spacey stuff.

[slim igloo]

ITS NOT GENERIC HOW DARE YOU GUYS

https://tenor.com/view/odst-helmet-scifi-soldier-helmet-on-gif-19367981

[tawdry kestrel]

And ofc, the fact that they are using low caliber ballistic riffles, while riding on uncontrollable jeeps with absolutely zero protection.

ARREST THAT MAMN

[slim igloo]

blasphemy

[rotund hamlet]

This is my issue with Landfall - people have come to see it as the ideal tonal direction for the show when the source material it represented was so far dethatched in tone and presentation Landfall used

[tawdry kestrel]

Just like how COD was when it did the future games.

[slim igloo]

Never ever again compare COD to Halo

Halo actually has a way deeper and sophisticated story and lore behind it

I haven't seen a single COD book

[tawdry kestrel]

It's actually part of the reason I like Halo 5 over the others. There most stuff actually looks like a proper scifi military. Especially with the Prometheans guns.

[rotund hamlet]

Rightful King and V.E.R.S.I.O.N

[tawdry kestrel]

I think Kig yar law firm janitor is one of the showmakers 💀

Guys

[slim igloo]

book names? Really?

[rotund hamlet]

Yeah

[slim igloo]

bruh i gotta check that

[tawdry kestrel]

Say what you want but the Black Ops storyline is really darn good.

[rotund hamlet]

RK promoted Black Ops 2 while V.E.R.S.I.O.N promoted BO3

They're really short though

[slim igloo]

look all i know is that Halo had a good story they started building off from

[rotund hamlet]

nothing full length or really that well written

[slim igloo]

Should have followed the good ol' lore where the piller found the Halo installation and from there they could have used that creative freedom

i had to read from interenet that those nasty worms weren't actually the flood

[tawdry kestrel]

They could have done a Direct adaptation through the eyes of marines and other people we met with master chief as guess or main character from time to time

[slim igloo]

got me so bumped down and confused

YEYEYE exactly

but follow the damn story, its what got us involved with Halo

[tawdry kestrel]

Even episodes with a covenant pov

full covenant pov

[slim igloo]

they could make an entire spin off for that 😄

[tawdry kestrel]

with elites

[slim igloo]

but who'd watch it with the current state of the damn series

[tawdry kestrel]

😔

[rotund hamlet]

Master Chief has got to be the main character or Paramount would end up with a Nightfall and FuD where it didn't draw any new fans in at all. He's on the same level as Mario in recognition.

[slim igloo]

Man scr*w paramount for doing that

[tawdry kestrel]

That's why you do no understand HALO

[slim igloo]

i'm so glad i got the chance to vent a little bit tonight, watching the last episode today really got me so angry and disappointed

[rotund hamlet]

A general rule is to always start off with the more recognizable character, and THEN start branching off into unfamiliar territory.

[tawdry kestrel]

Master chief is just the tip of the spear

[slim igloo]

and thats why paramount started with a base in nowhere full of korean people (no offense) 😄

[tawdry kestrel]

well you started off in unfamilliar territories

💀

[rotund hamlet]

I want a Halo TV show about a Kig-Yar merchant trying to navigate his way through post-war life - if I go pitch this to Paramount Executives they'd tell me that there's no demand or financial reason to invest into those kind of plots right now.

[slim igloo]

it just shows that its not the studio it once was, they should have never tried doing a Halo movie if they weren't going to follow the story

Well yeah, we are yet to see the war going

and you want post-war stuff ... duh

[rotund hamlet]

If Halo continues to be successful financially and gets like 4 seasons, then Executives would be more willing to invest into a spin-off like that

[slim igloo]

yeah but it won't be successful

I doubt they will go after the second season and i for once will not watch that garbage

[rotund hamlet]

If you talk to pretty much any show writer and director they'd give you the same answer

[main narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V51wWZ3OUrE

' lmao 3 teammates were harmed in the making of this film `

[slim igloo]

AHAHAH I loved the part with " sorry , mom was calling me"

[main narwhal]

LOL

[slim igloo]

they could have made hell of a comedy out of this serial if they did it like this

probably more enjoyable for many of us

[rotund hamlet]

Oh, and the market researchers would have to consider the demand for live action shows with distinctly non-human characters in a central lead role

[slim igloo]

man stop with your corporate bs

[rotund hamlet]

I'm telling you the truth!

[slim igloo]

Either give us halo or don't do it at all!

I know how the world works, doesn't mean i agree

[rotund hamlet]

You're getting Halo right now, Kung Fu Panda

[pastel stump]

Lmao

Yeah the show was successful, either way already got season 2 before season 1 released so doesn't matter anyways

[slim igloo]

HALO OR GTFO

remember my words, the second season is going to be the last if they don't bring the story in line with the lore

[pastel stump]

I mean ok

[rotund hamlet]

remember my words, the second phase of MCU is going to be the last if they don't bring the story in line with Earth-616

[slim igloo]

i currently have no idea what is MCU 😄

nor Earth-616 but i take your word

[hasty sedge]

Marvel stuff

[slim igloo]

well figures HALO or GTFO 😄

who cares about your grand pa's comic books

[rotund hamlet]

Earth 616 is the canon Marvel comics timeline

MCU is Earth 19999999

[hasty sedge]

Odd

[slim igloo]

and all that stuff is from your grand pa's time

[hasty sedge]

You say that like its a bad thing, old stuff is pretty good

[slim igloo]

we are here talking about an IP with depths i find way more interesting then half of marvel's stuff

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Operation:_TORPEDO

[hasty sedge]

A shame the tv series didn't touch much on that deeper lore

[slim igloo]

you might be right, my bad. I'm just not a fan

like i said i grew up with Halo

we were past comics in 90s 😄

[hasty sedge]

Oddly reminds me of the graphic novel. That was a good comic

Well, comics

[slim igloo]

ghosts of onyx is my favorite book from the Halo series

[hasty sedge]

That was a pretty good book

[tall seal]

master chief needs to be renamed "master cheeks" after episode 8

[twilit iris]

Uh, pretty sure comics are still relevant lol

there are Manga that sell like a million copies a week.

Not sure what american comic sales look like but i would assume they must be doin' pretty good with all the money Avengers End Game made lol

[real scarab]

They stated that the MCU is 616 in the last movie

[rotund hamlet]

The Industry has been continuously dying since the Comic Book Crash of 1990s

[rotund hamlet]

If that is true then this is the most insulting plot reveal ever

[real scarab]

Pretty much

[twilit iris]

@rotund hamlet American comics have?

oh wow yea

went from around 150million copies sold a year to around 57 million

thats pretty crazy

[rotund hamlet]

A ton of factors played into the American comic industry turning into a niche

• Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns causing a shift into the adultification of the medium over three decades (1980s-2000s), culminating with Archie Comics abandoning their mainstream family friendly fare in the mid 2010s.
• Every major publisher signing onto Diamond Distributors in the 1990s, which led to the disappearance of newsstand comic books in favor of specialty comic shops
• The Comic Crash of the 1990s, triggered by The Death of Superman storyline where everyone bought countless alternate cover editions in hope that they'd become valuable in the future. It did NOT help that the 1990s had some of the worst narrative status quo shifts and story writing in comic book history, alienating many readers [Most notoriously, Spider-Man's Clone Saga]
• A focus on improving art quality and diverse styles leading to the increase of comic book prices COMBINED with inflation, outpricing the books from children (From 0.75 cents to like $4 an issue)

TL;DR the industry killed itself trying to get away from the stigma as being seen as entertainment for children, among other factors

Your average comic book reader is 30-40 years old

[rotund hamlet]

I have a feeling the same phenomenon is going to affect the American animation industry in the next 20 years, as the sentiment of "Animation can be for adults" is gradually shifting the pendulum into being counter-culture like a reverse Animation Age Ghetto, but nobody will be complaining.

Doubting it? Children's animation is increasingly trying to target adult viewers, and it's gotten really apparent in the 2010s and Sony Pictures Animation now has an entire department dedicated to PG-13 and R-rated animated films.

[twilit iris]

yeesh

that makes sense though

@rotund hamlet i actually do doubt the impact on american animation. as your argument wouldn't fair well when looking at Japanese Animation and comics

I think you're right on a lot of things regarding the industry with american comics

however gearing it toward adults i dont believe killed it at all

unless they were literally solely focused on the adults

South Park has been around for literal ages for example among other adult animations on Adult Swim

Robot Chicken, Family Guy etc etc

The Simpsons

[rotund hamlet]

Adult comics and animation have always been around, but there's no Watchmen equivalent in terms of cultural impact for american adult animation yet

[twilit iris]

define "watchmen equivalent"

[rotund hamlet]

A work that significantly changes how mainstream audiences perceive an artistic or literary medium.

[twilit iris]

hmmm...

idk i highly doubt that had as much impact and some my theorize

unless again they literally tried to change the audience for every comic that way

Manga do fine in Japan

howevery manga is extremely diverse

ranging from children friendly like One Piece, to more graphic adult oriented ones like Berserk

[rotund hamlet]

Japan cemented comics and animation as all-range since the beginning

[twilit iris]

i'll concede to that for sure

[rotund hamlet]

They'll never have their Watchmen moment because there's no need for the perception shift

[twilit iris]

it absolutely has been diverse from the get go

Hmmmm... I just dont think it had as much impact as people percieve especially with everything else you stated tying along with it

i mean i'm sure it had SOME

but compared to jacking prices from literal cents to $4

and limiting accessibility

i'd say that was rather minute

[hardy cipher]

I am disappointed from this series

It sucked

I hated it

[hushed zenith]

Couldn’t watch past the third episode it was just so bad.

[tawdry kestrel]

@lynx

[warm gust]

For me it was kind of impossible to look away from. I like watching the crazy-pills version of things. They don't give you any shortage of stuff to bust their balls for

[slim igloo]

amen, many of us too

[blissful shore]

Wow

[little anvil]

Its already started.

[warm gust]

There are absolutely no circumstances in which a prisoner of war is able to consent to sexual relations with the soldier that first interrogated them.

Doubly so when that POW wasn't even raised by her own species.

[pseudo robin]

Hey, this may seem overly critical or analytical... Why does it feel like the halo series would be better suited as a mass effect show? dude goes to planet, touches artifact. commander sheppard does the same thing. Sheppard has coitus with woman with sympathies to aliens. master cheeks does the same in the show. mass effect is an emotionally driven scifi opera, same with the tv show. All i'm saying is two puzzle pieces fit together and a pattern is recognizable.

plus all the times pablo is out of his armor, he looks more like commander sheppard. It's very clear thats what the writers would much rather be writing for.

[warm gust]

Yeah.... Weren't there only 2 scenes in the show where they had spartans properly fighting the covenant in their armor?

[tawdry kestrel]

Hope fully season 2 is more involved

In combat

[warm gust]

Probably will be spent tracking down Halsey and her NeoCovenant

[sullen sentinel]

Why?

[sand rune]

Because he’s hurt that he didn’t get an unoriginal clone of Halo’s storyline for his simplistic brain.

[teal mesa]

Or, hear me out, might be a little crazy.... he just doesn't like the show and its his opinion.

[sand rune]

Once you guys complained about Keyes being black, I knew this community was going down hill with their strong expectations. Quite sad

[sand rune]

That’s fine, but the way people have enforced their opinions to dramatically and unnecessarily criticize is horrible.

[teal mesa]

Ehhh, isn't that what criticism is, the whole reason of disliking it on your own opinion that can either line up with others or not.

[sand rune]

No it isn’t

Not even close

[teal mesa]

The series imo is a hot mess, enjoyable but the moment you try to make sense of it in a halo universe it's a brain sore.

It was filled with soo many generic action tropes that where so predictable that it was amusing to watch.

[sand rune]

Please explain in detail about how it’s a brain sore… Examples help make it valid

[teal mesa]

Ep1 you have elites acting as if they are brutes, supposedly 3 mini guns couldn't take down a single elite yet one mini gun with chief using it takes 2 down in ease, chief being a stone cold marine get swayed by a rebel girl on his actions while having the emotional inhibitor still intact.

And that's all in ep 1, fair the didn't play the games of read much of the novels but even if it wasn't a halo series, I would still see the glass with the mini gun and rebel girl as huge oversights in story telling.

[lofty dock]

Same bro
It was like you were on crack while trying to figure out what they messed up next

[sand rune]

Ok really?? First of…

1. You do realise that Elites are super strong in games and lore? I can agree that elites don’t act like brutes but understandably they were fighting against old ‘toys’ and inexperienced fighters. Some weren’t worth a bullet to waste in ep1. It was only mild and ever since they behaved like typical elites.

2. Yes chief got a bit swayed and grew a better understanding of his current military dilemma AFTER he touched the stone which affected his emotional inhibitor. Did you really forget that obvious fact?

3. It’s irrelevant to say they didn’t play the games when they literally got counseling from 343i and people who did play… They had more insight and did research. They even went in detail of referencing similar quotes and scenarios from the games.

[keen sail]

I've only just seen this. He's a nothing character. Yes poorly written but also very flat delivery and actually quite hard to hear because of the way he speaks. We're supposed to believe this guy is at the top level of UNSC, commanding fleet etc but he's just... Nothing?

[teal mesa]

1. regardless if they are inexperienced marines, the volume of gun fire they where under should have taken out 2 elites out of many in the gate breach but didn't,

2. yes the artifact affected his curiosity but still for him to straight up start to disobey orders which has been followed before

3. again, the issue lies where these issues would still be poor regardless if it was a halo universe or not.

The elites went onto that in a brutish behaviour which is unwarranted, the elite could have done the stealth in kill the one that new their location of being here and leave, the camp would have blamed it on the unsc....

[teal mesa]

I feel his character hasn't had much development within the series other than his name drop,

[fast grail]

Woah man you really swayed my opinion i like the show now!

like is that what you expect people to say LOL

[fast grail]

its almost like reasonable and unreasonable complaints both exist and people can have either or both

or neither

[edgy rapids]

Wait so if chief had an emotion regulator, why didnt he drop the girl out of the pelican in episode 1? At that point in time, he had no reason to distrust the UNSC, and he was given a direct order against a girl willing to slaughter millions of people bcuz she didnt wanna help the UNSC. So if he couldnt feel anything towards her, why didnt he kill her like ordered

[rotund hamlet]

"Elites aren't acting like elites" is the most asinine criticism about the show, Wafflesauce might've had a point about the Arbiter's portrayal causing everyone to stereotype the whole species as honaur haboobabala

[frozen onyx]

Yeah but we see the ship master as well throughout the trilogy. And eliteS don’t just throw themselves at you in the game unless they have swords.

[hasty sedge]

Its clearly individual/clan basis. We have those like Thel who gives the enemy a chance, and others like Ripa 'Moramee from Halo Wars, who was backhanded a Zealot several feet away simply for giving a report

[hasty sedge]

From what we know in lore at least, Sangheili do view some of the worst stuff during the War as either dishonorable, or straight up below them. Killing civilians? Leave that to the lower caste races. Glassing? Repentant heretics on destroyers(like from Halo wars) do it if they are available

Off the top of my head,

The times we see them glass otherwise, are under orders from a San'Shyuum tagging along with the fleet

Funny enough, glassing early in covenant history was greatly frowned on

[runic mortar]

after E3 i had a feeling it would turn into a high budget adult film pretty much

and i was not wrong, i don't think i'm ever gonna finish it

halo 5's story is miles above halo series it sounds like a fanfiction from wattpad

[hasty sedge]

Yeah

[rotund hamlet]

What

That's a stretch even for the nudity and love scene

If you want to say something like that just watch any Game of Thrones ripoff ever

[runic mortar]

no it is pretty much a high budget adult film

[rotund hamlet]

No it ain't

[cosmic willow]

4 naked people and an average love scene makes it an adult film

[amber ivy]

What lol? I dont think anybody wanted an Unoriginal Halo remake but in series form. I think that we just wanted them to Respect the Characters of Chief, Halsey, Cortana, and stay true to the source material with a new story involving those characters. The series doesn't do that, and is all over the place. To the average space opera watcher I'm sure it's amazing. But to halo fans? A disservice.

The actors did a great job; it's the writers who didn't.

[hasty sedge]

Think that is pretty much the conclusion of everyone

[spice summit]

Fairly accurate

[frozen onyx]

A new non-canon story? That’d work. Retell the events but change things up. Maybe the covies discover the halo first, maybe they unleash the flood on alpha halo and silver team has to go in and control the outbreak. Idk there’s ways to do it.

If the plot advances in season 2 it’ll be a lot better

[slim igloo]

man we are all entitled to an opinion some voice it with a backing some just don't voice it. Whats your opinion about the movie?

[slim igloo]

for this thing to happen it should have followed a Halo lore based storyline

not halo themed

[jovial flax]

Im so sad the series comes at a close for season 1, Best halo based show so far, their commitment to following the base material is staggeringly amazing 😄

[sand rune]

You can have an opinion, but you don’t have to act like immature uneducated babies to the whole world.

People aren’t civil anymore, not being constructive, always destructive which allows more unnecessary junk to be thrown at the chaos and mask away the real problems and concerns.

Keep this up, keep lying to yourselves, keep looking only at the negative side of things and you’ll never get the Halo you deserve, and eventually not even deserve it.

[turbid adder]

TBH, I would have liked it if Master Chief was a little more lore accurate, but other than that, a good show.

[frozen onyx]

https://youtu.be/WF1yRsz79xc you mean like this?

[tiny wedge]

There is one character I want to see show up in season 2

That has not been introduced yet

[sand rune]

Sargent Johnson

[tiny wedge]

Thel 'Vadam

I want to see him in season 2

And then

Not in season 2

Maybe season 3 or 4

I want to see Locke

But overall

I want to see Thel 'Vadam

[tiny wedge]

Yes

Also

I want to see The Flood

In season 2

[cosmic willow]

They did Halsey and Cortana well in the series
Its just that Halsey is more of the antagonist than the covenant and and cortana is sparringly used

[turbid adder]

PERFECTION, ESPECIALY THE JOHN SENA PART

This everyone's reaction to Master Cheif face reveal

https://youtube.com/shorts/78k95U3mVZ4?feature=share

finally, lore accurate(ish) MC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ4V_giYsJk

[rotund hamlet]

After the Installation00 debacle I hope the fanbase never gets factored into the creative direction ever again

In fact, I hope the Halo fanbase is pointed to as a reason why game companies should never hire "community leaders" or any other game-related influencers ever again.

[sterile narwhal]

I dont want to see master cheeks again

I want to see master CHIEF

[fossil sail]

i didnt see the videos, what happened?

[sand rune]

I understand your frustration with the community. I have been greatly disappointed with them too and how low as people they’ve become.

However, I must state I don’t blame the community entirely. They’ve been emotionally scarred for 10 years… 343i to this day hasn’t help better the situation and only continues to disappoint.

Both are at fault. But I think the community need to try and continue to be the bigger person or otherwise no one will win and eventually lose everything.

[little anvil]

Asking gamers to be "the bigger person" is kind of a moot point

[nova wagon]

Disregarding the issue of the usage of the source material( or lack thereof), i think that this still would just not be good story writing regardless, there Is quite a bit of incoherences and predictable plot devices
It all in all just isn’t enjoyable for me to watch, although I can’t speak for others ofc

[tawdry kestrel]

The fact that Chief looks like an average joe is enough to mock this show till the end of times.

[harsh rune]

Hmm I notice that the Covenant kinda sucks at their primary purpose of fighting the War, which is wiping out the humans

To the point that an existential threat to the humans doesn't really seem there most of the time

[rotund hamlet]

there’s legitimate criticism against the company and their products… and there is zealous vitriolicism that does nothing but turn away newcomers and needlessly demoralizes everyone else.

And “emotionally scarred“ over a video game series? God, the Star Wars fandom is tame compared to these animals.

[tawdry kestrel]

this sums it up they could of even done a story about the hardships of war and were we find our humanity during it

[tawdry kestrel]

could of been better to be honest I want the show to be about humanity and the struggles of war from both sides.

IMHO the show would of been better if it was about the war, and showed the stories of the war when chief was there, such as marines etc, I would of liked it to be more about humanity and what it means to be human during all of this, and would of liked a perspective make from the arbiter or an elite so we can get both perspectives

[real scarab]

Pretty sure you misinterpreted their message

[tiny wedge]

Who's master cheeks

I'm the 117th person to retweet this https://twitter.com/HaloTheSeries/status/1515404661368377346?t=oduP8q-pN8OA6otSBrUzqw&s=19

[glad beacon]

Played by Jean Claude Vadam ?

[glad beacon]

Imagine a record company asking Lemmy Kilmister to start playing disco to 'attract a new audience'. You think the exec would've survived ?

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https://www.halopedia.org/Thel_'Vadam

Thel 'Vadam is one of the main characters in halo 3

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Really ? Who'da thunk it !

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The only sad thing is we all know what happens to Keyes

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Just saw paramount’s “thank you to the fans” video on YouTube. I’ve never felt more insulted in my life.