halo-the-series-chat

[fierce hemlock]

This show is the kind all kinds of fans would watch, from newcomers to casuals to dire hard ones.

[little anvil]

And was aimed directly at Halo fans, being canon and expansionist to the lore.

[rotund hamlet]

I was genuinely confused when people said FuD was retroactively good. So many were complaining about the plot and the production value

[little anvil]

Because they want another arrow to notch in the shows back, for whatever reason

[rotund hamlet]

And Nightfall got even worse reception

[little anvil]

Only thing Ive ever seen universally liked by most fans is Landfall, and guess what?
Thats literally just combat. Who would have thunk something with NO PLOT beyond "KILL ALEIN DONT DIE" would be liked by a game fanbase...

[fierce hemlock]

It might be a case of that it is bad, but it was at least Halo. That kind of mindset. It at least tried to be that, rather than do whatever it wanted and call it Halo.

[rotund hamlet]

"lol, the characters are in a quarry"
"the hunter worms are eating technology? lol"
"lol, bad CG"
"lol, pulling the Halo ring out from their rears"
"lol, chemical weapon that only affects humans vanishes from the universe and has no bearing on the greater lore"

[little anvil]

"Lol, Spartan is British"
"Why does he have a kid?"
"REVERSED AUGMENTATIONS?"
"Whats this new species?"

Ironically the worms eating tech is actually canon for Lekgolo

[fierce hemlock]

What's wrong with a british spartan?
drinks cup of tea

[rotund hamlet]

But I do have to admit, turning what could've been a cool political thriller to "destroy the halo ring before anyone else can reproduce this chemical" was an idiotic move

[little anvil]

Him mentioning growing up on Earth and the resulting "lifeboat rules" was what I remember people not liking.

Nightfall was a bad call, I agree.
And yet I hear people saying its better than the show...when the Show actually does stuff that Nightfall could have done, but better.

So it seems obvious to me, at the very least, a lot of the complaints arent directed at the show, or its content.
Empty boasting and frustrations being taken out on an easy target.

"Is the show bad? Not really. Bad is the Animated Fall of Reach and Nightfall. The show is okay."

[fierce hemlock]

The show is weird. If you don't know Halo, it's generally well received. When it spends its budget, it does well. People nitpick stuff, and that plasma pistol thing is a stupid thing to miss, but it's hardly something most care about 5 minutes later.

[rotund hamlet]

Someone said it here before, but
if the critics had their way, the Halo show would be 90% CG with an insane budget that is nothing but a long battle with no character development

[rotund hamlet]

And why do people not think this could be fixed in a Blu-Ray release? Seriously

[fierce hemlock]

If you know Halo, it starts to become less enjoyable. Not to all, people still like it, but it's a shame that so much gets butchered.

[fierce hemlock]

I'm surprised it isn't already fixed as it's a streaming exclusive. They could just reload.

[little anvil]

That was...kind of most of Fall of Reach wasnt it? The animated one? Theres a bit of character development but they skip over a lot of stuff still.

Something tells me people would complain theres no character development then. They dont really want what they think they want.

I am legitimately pleased the show isnt as bad as I feared it was going to be. The vision in my head was Mortal Engines/First Percy Jackson movie level of bad.
This isnt it. Im a happy fan.

[rotund hamlet]

That reminds me

Like that one recent Terminator 2 Judgement Day re-release (That fixed the infamous truck window goof), you have to convince producers that going back to fix errors would be worth the time and investment.

[little anvil]

Oh yeah, the truck window! XD

[fierce hemlock]

It's a shame here as there's a lot of characters from the Fall of Reach that we don't get to see here. I'd love to watch casual interactions between John and Kelly or Fred or Linda. Sam... unlikely without flashbacks.

[little anvil]

Again at that point, might as well remake Fall of Reach again.

[rotund hamlet]

Fall of Reach is like Halo's version of Star Fox rehashing 64

And like Reach, every version of the first Star Fox game is canon

[fierce hemlock]

There's hope for Percy Jackson with the TV show. If His Dark Materials could make a comeback, I hope this can too.
Now if only people could turn down the hate a few notches and realise they are aiming it at kids. Not acceptable in the slightest.

[little anvil]

I like what we have with the new show, but as usual, it had to trip with the movie first.

Perhaps the Paramount show will reveal the cracks and the faults and whatever comes next (and I have ZERO doubt that we will get more live action SOMETHING someday) will be better for it.

Wait...are people seriously griping about the PJO show

[rotund hamlet]

I will not rewatch a proper adaptation of Mortal Engines unless the same exact VFX team from the previous is back

[little anvil]

Seriously
They know the book series was written for neuridivergent early teens by a guy who had an ADHD nephew, right?

[fierce hemlock]

Eh, I wouldn't mind they taking liberties there. If the core parts were the same, it would be fine to do as they wished a bit. But I wanted a diverted track, not one going the wrong way.

[little anvil]

So same team but more accurate storyline? Id be down.

[rotund hamlet]

Like Judge Dredd 1995, they got the world so right but the story so wrong

And Batman & Robin

[little anvil]

That Im all for.
Mumbles about Hesters extra eye

[fierce hemlock]

Yep. Casting. People don't know some of the choices.

[little anvil]

Oh. Let me guess, they're mad about Annabeth?

[fierce hemlock]

Yep.

Typical right?

[little anvil]

Figures
...then again, see the Show for both Keyes.

[rotund hamlet]

I hope we get a stereotype breaker Kig-Yar character sometime down the line that the fans can call cute and want to pet sometime 🙂

[little anvil]

Complaints about story and adaptation and lore stuff, Im okay with. Thats fine.
Complaining about that shows your not really interested in the fate of the show.

NGL though on the subject; Ghibli style Mortal Engines film. With Reeve offering support and styling advice

[fierce hemlock]

Yep. Miranda's job switch seemed weird, what with her canon relationship with her mother, but they want to do something a bit different. But the complaints about that particular issue... there's no answer someone can give where they don't come out of it sounding bad.

[little anvil]

Agreed.
I dont mind Miranda's job switch much, as we have yet to see Keyes do...anything spaceship related.
Mans grounded on Reach. Her being more scientist than anything works out.

TECHINCALLY its not even that far out as Mirandas first command was a research vessel...whiiiccchhhh she promptly rammed into a Covenant ship

[fierce hemlock]

Yeah. With that in mind it's kind of kept them near to the show's focus.
Well she is her father's daughter.

You aren't a Keyes if you aren't pulling some ridiculous starship stunt and actual pulling it off.

[little anvil]

If they wanna animate something for us, give us the Keyes Loop.

[wraith niche]

it was

[chilly glen]

Has anyone here read the Kilo-Five trilogy? I had hoped that a halo show/movie could be about or like that series. One that can still stick with the same lore, keep the characters the same, but still be able to add new ones while bringing an exciting plot. Heck, those books didn't even need Master Chief (I don't remember him even making an appearance in that trilogy). You could still make the show non canon/silver timeline while keeping it palatable to those who are hardliners (ofc, not everyone sill be satisfied that's a given)

And even in that series, it wasn't as fast and actiony as the games. Not by a long shot. But here were wonderful new characters in a story that added to the whole thing instead of heavily rearranging

[little anvil]

I did and Im very glad its NOT based on them because there is only so much Traviss I can handle before I begin to want to commit war crimes against the British.

Now, Broken Circle...

[fierce hemlock]

I would have thought they would have done a series during the Covenant war prior to the fall of reach, as in during those decades. To have a more human Chief he would have to have earlier development towards that but I'd be fine with that chance to watch a series as they are struggling in that long war, and there would be plenty of action along with plenty of moments in between, on ships, on planets, and even the sombre stuff of wondering how long they can keep this up.

[rotund hamlet]

From a showrunner's perspective, Forward Unto Dawn and Nightfall failed in attracting a general audience to the Halo brand. How would a Kilo-5 style appeal to those who have never been invested without the presence of the most recognizable character that even non-gamers can identify to an extent?

[fierce hemlock]

And there's enough space in there that they can do whatever they want because it's got to many blank events to do.

[rotund hamlet]

And FuD didn't have Chief as the main focus, so that argument wouldn't count

[fierce hemlock]

I agree that this show needed Chief if it wanted to pull people in. Especially with the money they were spending. It would need brand recognition to draw in as many as possible, and Master Chief is iconic enough to fill that role. No other character in Halo can do that, except Cortana but even then I think most think of Chief first if they merely know of Halo.

[little anvil]

Again the complaints on FuD episodes 1 through 4; Wheres Chief?

[flint stump]

I didn't watch nightfall for a long time because the story of halo 5 made me not care about lock at all

[little anvil]

Most people who think of Halo think of Chief. Thats just how it always is.

[chilly glen]

Well that's why I said something like it. I just used it as an example of something that can be quite different from the main story but still preserve the elements of the main story. By all means, include Master Chief. It doesn't have to be a remake of Kilo-5. But I think there are plenty of stories one can make within the Human Covenant war that don't take away from things like the whole "humanity is united in one common cause thing", or having the Spartans brainwashed as kids

[flint stump]

I wanna know why they thought the viewers needed a human for the covenant perspective

Anyone would have been fine with just a regular elite or something

[fierce hemlock]

I'm worried this means we won't get the Arbiter too because she's the replacement for the character.

[little anvil]

Shes there so they dont have to animate every Covenant species on screen all the time. Cheaper to have an actor.

[fierce hemlock]

A human thinking the covenant is wrong and realising that, even when brainwashed, isn't as impactful when humanity has been on the end of a genocidal war. But the elites? There were on the winning side, realised the prophet's manipulations, and when the civil war occurred chose to align against them with humanity.

[tawdry kestrel]

Episode 8 sucks butt, literally

[flint stump]

Make a prosthetic suite

[little anvil]

Then people would complain it looks like something out of Power Rangers.

[flint stump]

Touch it up with cgi

[little anvil]

And add that cost to the already existing ones of all the props they already made.

[fierce hemlock]

Ideally they budget for one major reoccurring alien.

[flint stump]

I really can't give them a pass on cost. Microsoft is a trillion dollar company

[little anvil]

Its overall cheaper to do something with a human actor and for the most part she serves the purpose that they needed.
Also since she's human the UNSC has a reason not to instantly shoot her and tear her corpse apart like Miranda is doing to that Sangheili in her lab.

[tawdry kestrel]

I feel like Mahkee getting rid of all of her indoctrination in one day with just a walk in a park and a good time under the sheets is bull crap

[fierce hemlock]

For this role sure. But I won't be surprised if she is their go to as covenant splinter leader.

[little anvil]

Microsoft didnt pay for it; this is Paramount (or whoever they paid to make the show, not exactly sure) paying for it.

They asked Microsoft to use the brand name and Microsoft said yes and had 343 help with the lore.
343 is not paying Paramount to make the show.

[tawdry kestrel]

343 didn’t even touch the story

[flint stump]

I'm never going to give a multinational corporation involved in Hollywood with one of the richest companies on the planet a pass for spending money

[little anvil]

Then you've never worked in buisness have you?

[tawdry kestrel]

343 would have done a way better job than those people in the office drinking shots every 5 minutes

[little anvil]

Or in film production or anything higher up. This kinda stuff is stupid common.

[fierce hemlock]

Makes me wonder if they'd try to be cheap if they did Mass Effect. That's a series where if you avoid having aliens, you basically have gutted yourself.

[flint stump]

Oh poor small companies are barely holding it together
https://c.tenor.com/80zMDyE85hAAAAAM/money-crying.gif

[little anvil]

The meme answer is yes they would. Personal answer; also probably yes.

Large companies pinch pennies all the time. You ever worked retail?

Take a look at, I dunno, Walmart, or McDonalds. Same things there, if they can cut a corner and save money they WILL

[fierce hemlock]

Well if it does happen, at least the memes of them being Cerberus will be funny. Because a human heavy Mass Effect show feels like a Cerberus plan.

[flint stump]

Listen just stop trying to convince me alright lol

[little anvil]

No, this is something I can actually talk about from expereince, so you're getting the data

I've worked in company offices before, I know how this kind of stuff goes.

[flint stump]

I'm an anticapitalist socialist, still want to?

[fierce hemlock]

The orca is going in for the kill.

[little anvil]

See, the political side of it says more towards "they SHOULD". The fact is "they WONT".
SHOULD they spend more money on stuff like this, yes. Very much so. WILL THEY? No. Thats just the standard.

Even companies that can and say they will spend, WONT. The last two years proved that to me soundly.

So it does not surprise me that they went cheap with the show even if they didnt have too.

TBH thats just a thing in Hollywood these days.

[little anvil]

HEH

[flint stump]

And it's why Hollywood is being replaced by YouTubers and tiktok

If it wasn't for Disney idk if we would even have in person movie theaters

[fierce hemlock]

Turns out Amazon actual got the rights last year. Maybe they'll do okay? No idea there.

Wait, wrong person that I replied to.

[fierce hemlock]

Correct reply.

[flint stump]

Amazon might lol

[little anvil]

Rights to Mass Effect?

[fierce hemlock]

Yeah.

[little anvil]

That sounds like Amazon. And despite what people are saying the shows not a dumpster fire in terms of money, Paramounts going to make even at least on it.

As usual; if someone tries something and it works the rest quickly follow.

[fierce hemlock]

Funnily, people initial compared the Halo show to Mass Effect with the plot elements early on. So Paramount already did half the work for them.

[little anvil]

Im not really sure if the show is technically a Hollywood production anyway, but its LARGE so that...kinda works? "Industrial filmmaking".

[flint stump]

Paramount is an OG Hollywood giant, if paramount doesn't count idk what would

[fierce hemlock]

It should be easier at any rate. Mass Effect is driven by its characters. No need to force humanity to appear in their lead.

[flint stump]

And Steven Spielberg is a producer of halo

[little anvil]

I completely forgot Paramounts a movie studio.

Having a good director doesnt always mean a good result though. Dude who made Alien did Nightfall

[flint stump]

Absolutely, just saying if Steven is involved that's a fast track to being a Hollywood production

[little anvil]

Ahhhh. Thats fair.

So yes this is very much a Hollywood result. Which explains a lot of the stuff people are headscratching about.
Thats Hollywood! (song and dance here)
Really does suck.

[flint stump]

That's what my girl thinks. It's to much Hollywood boomer involvement

[little anvil]

Boomers rule Hollywood.

[livid oak]

The writers aren’t boomers and that’s the worst part of the show

[flint stump]

Spielberg is sooo a boomer

[sudden sun]

So yall see that video Act Man put out or the multiple videos Shadiversity put out?

[flint harness]

Halo died when they turned off Bungie's servers.

[sudden sun]

Well 343 is determined to make Master Cheeks the only Master Chief left

[tawdry kestrel]

master pablo

[rich onyx]

DOOOM slaYEERRRRrrrrr

[rich onyx]

Screw halo we need doomslayer 😡😡🔥

[sudden sun]

You'll get Master Cheeks and you'll like it, so says 343

[still heart]

If Paramount got rights to Mass Effect, they would mess that up too. I have no doubt.

[sudden sun]

Oof

[white mantle]

Makee birth scene on halo in s2 when?

[spring mesa]

Makee and Chiefs child grows up to be noble 6 confirmed

It’s dumb as hell but they’d probably do it

[shrewd lava]

You'd think that after video game film flops such as the Super Mario Bros film in the 80s and the Doom films in 2005 and 2019, the film industry would've learnt a valuable lesson.

||haha nah get outta town||

[verbal fox]

Hollywood? Learning??? Ha

[dusky nova]

The Halo show is kinda bad but compared to the 2019 Doom movie it's a cinematic masterpiece lmao.

[shrewd lava]

Doom Annihilation actually hurt.

[glad beacon]

I watched it for the first time yesterday. As a long time fan of the HALO universe (since CE came out) thought it was utter crap.

[short dragon]

I think the actors do very well with what they have been given it sucks that it ended up being crap with the writing.

[flint stump]

Yeah I don't think anyone feels negative towards the actors themselves

[bold trellis]

but those writers r the most hated people in halo history rn 😂

[toxic warren]

@idle pawn Let's chill with the reacts please

[tawdry kestrel]

Dudes got bad takes so this is the best he can do

[buoyant igloo]

I think the series is alright for killing time if u just forget it's halo

Which isn't too hard tbh 🤣

[junior parcel]

One thing that kinda annoys me is that 343 are kinda just pretending that the fans like the show

[toxic warren]

There are people that genuinely like it

[short dragon]

do you?

[toxic warren]

It's not out in the UK yet so I can't watch it

[buoyant igloo]

Oh yeh, it's doing a better job at bringing in new halo fans than infinite is at the moment (my hot take haha)

Like I only got back into infinite after months of not playing because I got put in a halo mood because of the show

[junior parcel]

And those are the people claiming that the Halo show isn’t for Halo fans

[spring grotto]

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[short dragon]

I’m rather confused by the positivity on a lot of the movie review sites when it has gained a lot of negative attention on the internet. 7/10 on IMDB when most of the reviews I read were usually rating the show below 4. How is that possible? Are they just taking in viewership into account rather then the reviews themselves?

[buoyant igloo]

Yeh I've noticed that, not sure if they thought they were getting review bombed or something so made it more positive

[flint stump]

I knew most people didn't care or the show when every news outlet that had anything to say about halo felt no shame in spoiling the show in their headlines

And no one acts upset at that

[short dragon]

The show got spoiled?

[flint stump]

Oh for sure I knew everything about episode 8 before I got off work just from random headlines lol

[short dragon]

That stinks

[upbeat drum]

https://twitter.com/itzRozati/status/1526918573209395200?t=5SW7daGFfPrjZzXLVuWFUg&s=19

Honest thoughts on ep 8 because i am not allowed to swear here.

[keen sail]

I also love to argue with imaginary characateurs.

But surely you understand the difference between physiology/anatomy on one hand, and the content of that scene forming part of chiefs story and character ark...?

[short dragon]

I got rid of my paramount after episode 8.

[atomic quail]

Bad take. There's a difference between jarring nudity, and female supersoldiers being in peak physical shape.

[upbeat drum]

"Peak physical shape" the funny thing is, humans dont have one shape. Not everyone can be stacked like that, even humans in "peak physical shape". A lot of the people who complain about this are seriously just mad they cant get off to a cg character. Change my mind.

[tawdry kestrel]

mad

[keen sail]

It's not worth the effort.

[atomic quail]

Spartans are literally superhuman, so they literally can be stacked like that.

Literally

[keen sail]

They are also trait selected. Stature, shape, body composition, all can be determined and nurtured

There can be a uniform in that scenario

Halsey isn't abducting endomorphic children tbh

[upbeat drum]

They dont have to be though, and people who are actuslly upset with it are just butt hurt horn bois who need visual stimualtion from a fake person to peek their interest. The armor could also plainly just hide that naturally from its fitting.

[keen sail]

Can tell you're proud of this argument but just coming across a bit smooth brained

[upbeat drum]

Im not even mad, i just think the whole "how dare you remove the best part of the female form, but dont let chief do whoopie" is ironic

[keen sail]

You have connected these two things. Has anyone else?

Or did you just make it up.

[upbeat drum]

Yes, actually. You can see it from peoples posts

[keen sail]

I haven't.

[atomic quail]

I'm not mad I can't have spartan cake, I'm just annoyed that there is pretty much no change between body types, as all the armour stays exactly the same, it just seems lazy. There is literally no correlation between the two things you are comparing.

[flint stump]

Oops

[upbeat drum]

The same folk who were complaining about the butts are complaining about the scene, so its just ironic

[keen sail]

Are they though?

[atomic quail]

Why is it ironic

[tawdry kestrel]

hey at the end of the day halo series is amazing, a good series to watch on a weekly basis, its just in no way following the halo story

[flint stump]

Are we body shaming female armor for being exploitive when they made this poor guy bare his cheeks several times

[upbeat drum]

Plasmaposting for one has talked about it, several of my friends have discussed this as well

[atomic quail]

Because people who like being able to make their character look the way they want aren't allowed to not appreciate the character assassination of Chief? Or the jarring uncomfortable romance scenes? That ain't it boss

[upbeat drum]

Its really not hard to find when halo starts trending on twitter

[keen sail]

The majority of what I have seen is a literary complaint about the way they are portraying the character of chief (and others) and how it differs so much from the source material.

[upbeat drum]

Im not saying the scene was poorly placed. Could have used more build up. But you really do see there are fans with contradicting wants for what halo should be

[keen sail]

The same complaints can be made about that scene as can be made about the entire Madrigal story. It's not the content, rather the application in context.

What's it for? The sad truth is that the showrunners have no idea what they want this show to be.

[flint stump]

Listen what they did at the end of 8 is Terrible too. That FFA they created is so jarring to the spartan core

[upbeat drum]

There are people who want cortana/the weapon to remain nude, their are people who want over developed anatomies and they want more violence in the games. The show, we're okay with the violence, but people saw a bunch of butts ajd one scene and that was too far. Its just...funny

[keen sail]

As I first said, for me you're taking two entirely different things and unfairly simplifying them into "lady butts lol"

[atomic quail]

How is it even comparable though? Spartans with curves vs "scenes" in a show about a stoic soldier. Not much of a comparison.

Honestly I'd just like more body types in general

If I could make my dude look like Jorge I would

[keen sail]

I hope Jorge turns up and reinstalls chiefs emotional destruction chip

[flint stump]

Oh yeah me too, I'd love more Jorge

[upbeat drum]

Kind of if im talking about why the gamers want it. Not all, but a good majority of the old mysoginistic and hormone enduced boys who are still trapped in whatever anti-whatever hole they are in

[keen sail]

We get it you have a prejudice.

[upbeat drum]

Its just funny.

[flint stump]

You do realize most of that content has been created by boomers right?

[upbeat drum]

Not really. A fair amount of them are millenials.

[atomic quail]

Just because people want spartans (literally the peak of superhuman performance) to have superhero physiques, does not make them depraved creeps. Whereas man I hope chief sleeps with that covie chick sounds like gross fanfiction and is uncharacteristic of Chief, and also super weird.

It's mind-boggling how you don't get this

[flint stump]

No my guy, the standards of society for a demand of lewds and violence has long been the norm before mills were born

[keen sail]

I hope she's not pregnant. Cortana can be the godmother.

[spring mesa]

Ah, the old ‘accuse a fanbase of bigotry’ technique

[upbeat drum]

You keep saying that to weirdly justify it, but thats not at all why people want to have "peak physical builds"

[tawdry kestrel]

cortana my babe

[upbeat drum]

I would.probably lose interest entirely if she is

[keen sail]

Two genetic freaks birth a super freak to take on the flood

[atomic quail]

Except tons of female fans are disappointed they can't make their spartan look feminine

[flint stump]

But the child falls in love with a smaller gravemind. And they team up to fight the true villain, some greedy CEO on earth

[atomic quail]

Old white man

[upbeat drum]

Ive only seen dudes posts about it

[keen sail]

This too. Often when games omit female playables the loudest complaint is from the "prog" crowd.

[spring mesa]

Ain’t been looking too hard

[flint stump]

Confirmation bias in action laddy

[upbeat drum]

Not really. A lot of the gamer girls i know dont actually care because the gameplay is fun

[keen sail]

Become activists for indigenous rights on Madrigal

[spring mesa]

But imo I prefer not being able to tell the gender of a spartan from their armour shape. I like bulky mjolnir. That’s just my opinion tho

[atomic quail]

Spartan booty is more of a meme than anything, most people just want more control over their spartan.

[flint stump]

Stop it's becoming to real

[upbeat drum]

Agreed

[keen sail]

The mantle of responsibility belongs to the friends we made along the way.

[upbeat drum]

And no, not the entire fanbase is mysoginistic and biggoted, just the loudest ones are. Thats usually how that works

[atomic quail]

you know a lot of gamer girls?

[spring mesa]

Stop calling people misogynistic without sufficient evidence

[atomic quail]

Because you're coming across as maidenless as Chief in the games lmaooo

[upbeat drum]

Prove to me advocating for space cake isnt when its abunch hrny dudes on twitter complaining about it

[keen sail]

I just looked up the definition of bigot and you fit pretty well.
"a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."

[spring mesa]

You’re the one who claimed it was all dudes so its up to you to prove your point

You make the claim, you prove it

[atomic quail]

Yep

[keen sail]

Novel concept

[flint stump]

You know the phrase touch grass? Yeah that's a valid answer for all of Twitter. And you shouldn't allow Twitter to establish your understanding of people

[hard pecan]

if you're a guy and you like women, it doesn't make you misogynistic

you're not putting them under male spartans and undermining them

[atomic quail]

Your first mistake is going on Twitter, which is a degenerate cesspool on a good day

[keen sail]

Said the discord user

[atomic quail]

That is a valid point, but shush lol

[spring mesa]

To be fair it depends which discord your in. Twitter is just like that all the time

[flint stump]

Still more filtered and we can write novellas for responses lol

[atomic quail]

True

[hard pecan]

redditor discord

[upbeat drum]

Twitter do be like that, but thats why its a tweet anyway. From what i've seen and talked about with my friends and our experiences may differ. I still find it ironic and funny that people get that upset over it. The scene wasnt even that bad. No nudity, they dont show the act like on other shows. They touch scars and then next thing you know, they're laying in bed.

[atomic quail]

There is no irony there

[upbeat drum]

Thats your point of view, man

[spring mesa]

The issue isn’t really how it was shot, it’s more than Chief shouldn’t be sleeping with a pow, and cortana really shouldn’t be watching it

[keen sail]

Are many people complaining about it being explicit? Or is this scene just a useful example for their editorial concerns?

[atomic quail]

People hate ep 8 for narrative reasons, people like space cake for visual reasons

[keen sail]

Again we're back to lady butts

[upbeat drum]

Yeeeeeaaaaah, i have no excuse for cortana

[keen sail]

But these are two fundamentally different things.

[spring mesa]

There’s no issue with chief getting laid imo. It’s just who it was

[upbeat drum]

What visual reasons might they be? 🤔

[keen sail]

Even more nuance. It's almost like this isn't black and white

[atomic quail]

Some people, men and women both, like having a curvier spartan. Literally nothing creepy about that.

[spring mesa]

What?

[upbeat drum]

Most men who do want curvier spartans are creeps tho...

Not all, but most

[spring mesa]

Broad statement

[upbeat drum]

And im a dude

So, eh

[spring mesa]

Projection

[keen sail]

I'm not like others dudes

[upbeat drum]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-kel-mitchell-ed-im-a-dude-hes-a-dude-gif-4322957

[spring mesa]

I prefer my Spartans tall and muscular. There’s nothing wrong with wanting them a different way. No one is being a creep

That’s it really

[atomic quail]

As a proud permanent user of the chaddest body type, there's nothing wrong with playing a female spartan and you're blatantly showing your insecurities by making false blanket statements.

[upbeat drum]

What insecurities? I dropped those when i was 16 lmao

[atomic quail]

Well you're acting like you're younger than that lol

[spring mesa]

Anyways. Why are slipspace engines so small in the show

They fit one in a footlocker

[upbeat drum]

Was that what kai was lifting? I dont remember what a slipspace engine looks like aside from the infinity's, which was massive because its was enfused with forerunner tech and the ship itself was massive

[spring mesa]

No it was a few eps back they had one in a small case when they’re supposed to be really big compared to a person

[atomic quail]

They needed a pelican to haul one onto the covie ship in Reach

[upbeat drum]

I remember now. RIP Jorge

[spring mesa]

Also they used one in halo wars

[tawdry kestrel]

do you reckon this is what humans would of evolved to

in this era of time

[atomic quail]

Nah we'd probably have evolved closer to the games

[tawdry kestrel]

what about armor tho

the generic soldiers in halo, not spartans, have quite heavy armour and weaponry for a human

[dense oyster]

Is the new halo series canon?

[dreamy sundial]

Just saw this. https://twitter.com/EtherealEOD/status/1526832999756873728?s=20&t=XgRmCCpdhfYLYM3VOjEpWA It's so infinitely better

[spring mesa]

No

[dense oyster]

Thank god it's not canon 🙏

[little spindle]

There was literally a time on Twitter where my feed was full of people complaining about this, and plenty of them were women.

Their argument was that 343i was misogynistic for not including those body types

[proper slate]

Masterchief lost his V card

[heady halo]

So raise your hand if you’re excited for this dumb series to end tomorrow

🖐️

[civic sparrow]

change my mind ; you cant

why is there a (redacted) scene in a halo show

its a shooter not a drama

[keen imp]

Should have been canceled on episode 1 😔

[gentle nova]

Hi, I play online halo infinite in my pc with controller. Am I playing with people with controller?

[buoyant igloo]

It's mixed I believe

[crystal wing]

TV adaptions are never fun.

[buoyant igloo]

What time is the new episode out ?

[primal dove]

There are a few adaptations that have been good

Witcher, Castlevania, Arcane

None follow the plot exactly but all capture the feeling of the original game and are amazing shows as well

[jagged light]

Anyone Play Fire figth Master Chief Halo Collection With Me ?

[peak vigil]

this show broke my brain

[novel cloud]

Unvirgining master chief was the worst decision the directors took.

[peak vigil]

worst decision in the entire franchise

[novel cloud]

It's setting a horrible example for future fans.

I don't know a thing about filmmaking but I'd make better decisions. I know what the fans like.

[white mantle]

Halo season 2: The child support arc

[peak vigil]

💀

[primal dove]

real question is did Master Cheeks wear a condom

[glossy root]

After halo ep 8 it’s made me want to switch to cod

Jk jk I would never betray halo except when I almost did when halo 4 came out

[shell crown]

I love how everyone isnt calling him MaStEr ChiEf
Master cheeks is more explanatory for this boi

Hes now Josh 711

[native otter]

Can anyone access the episode yet?

[languid copper]

idk'

im not bothering

[mellow vapor]

Yeah it’s out

[tawdry kestrel]

I hated I think episode 7 or 8 when it was just about kwan

0 sign of unsc which is what we wanna see

[old cloak]

Oh God
Episode 9 releases today
What a "great" birthday present
😩

[languid copper]

haha

[neon plover]

Keep the spoilers out

[languid copper]

k

[alpine nexus]

Can’t post a single thing in this discord without it being deleted without explanation

[old cloak]

imo hardly a spoiler when the entire fanbase is complaining about how rightfully bad it is
and when that was the last episode

[neon plover]

...I just explained.

[mellow vapor]

google halo episode 9 on mobile and look at the suggested title

[hollow bison]

True the whole show was very bad

[alpine nexus]

I haven’t even seen episode 9 so there was no way I could post a spoiler about it. I was making a joke about a fantastical scenario that could theoretically happen in episode 9, based on the previous episode

[neon plover]

But you posted something that happened in episode 8, right?

If you want to continue this convo, we can via modmail

[spring grotto]

For server moderation concerns, please message @weary rune.

[tacit geyser]

The entire Fanbase is not complaining some of us enjoy the show and realize it’s a separate timeline. The whole show was not bad some choices were questionable. But the show did very well and made money and there will be a season 2 and that’s all good news for Halo. If you don’t like it don’t watch it 🤷🏻‍♂️. But let people enjoy it if they chose too.

[alpine nexus]

Nah, not that important to me. I guess if you interpreted the events of episode 8 as a ____ then it would be a spoiler

[neon plover]

Just to be clear, major events that happen in the show can be considered spoilers. Until the show is available in Europe, we'd like to keep this channel free of them.

(And even then there's #933834868637454446)

[robust saffron]

season 2 when?

[buoyant igloo]

Probably 2024 or something right

It depends how quick they start filming

[robust saffron]

FWIW, i think it probably would've served the series better if the season was a binge drop as opposed to weekly episode drops

[buoyant igloo]

Yeh definitely, though I usually wait til they're all out anyway

Imo all the marvel series have been decent but not worth the weekly wait

[robust saffron]

i still enjoyed it but yeah right from episode 1 i could tell it was gonna be hated by some (especially the purists)

[buoyant igloo]

I understand why they hate it but it has its moments

Like I think Halsey is done quite well

The intro sequence of episode 1 was cool as well

[robust saffron]

i expected some hate but i didn't expect it to be so polarising

[old cloak]

i like how people will literally jump to the defense that it being non canon makes it more excusable
this isnt just a bad halo tv show
this is a badly written b rated syfi channel movie turned into a series
and it being canon or not has no baring on how well its written

being canon or not sure wouldnt effect how "good" the new starwars movies are

[tacit geyser]

Facts are facts. The numbers are good.

[old cloak]

yeah its not like the name halo sells or anything

[jagged sentinel]

I.....legitimately don't know how to feel.

Kai is still my spirit animal.

[heady halo]

Well then

Let’s watch the finial episode for me

Now

I feel like I’m gonna see another love scene in the last episode

[jagged sentinel]

I did quite enjoy it.

[buoyant igloo]

Check spoiler channel

[toxic warren]

Keep spoilers and spoiler related questions to #933834868637454446 please

[tawdry kestrel]

oh sry thanks

Was episode 9 really a season finale coz I feel like it need one more episode to end season 1 or is it just me

[buoyant igloo]

Nah because season 2 was already greenlit, I imagine the writers assumed this to be the case so it literally just bridges into season 2

[tawdry kestrel]

Ah k

It’s weird though for a season to not have a conclusion

[buoyant igloo]

Imo it's not, it seems like a money grab so they'll want as many seasons as possible

[tawdry kestrel]

Also hi I’m new here I also started to play Halo on my new computer I’m enjoying it a lot.. still getting used to the game coz I’m more of a UT gamer

[buoyant igloo]

Nice one, it's a fun game just has a few content issues here and there

[tawdry kestrel]

I got the reach one that has like 5 games in one.

[buoyant igloo]

Ohh master chief collection?

[tawdry kestrel]

I hope I’m doing it it the right order. But knowing me I always do everything backwards 🤣

[tawdry kestrel]

The latest one

[buoyant igloo]

Yeh it's reach, ce, 2, 3/3odst because odst is set part way through 3 I believe, 4 then 5

If you want the full story then you got halo wars 1 and 2

[tawdry kestrel]

Kewlies thank you

[buoyant igloo]

No worries

[tawdry kestrel]

I learned my lesson though after play for 10minutes I joined a server then coz I was so new and bad at it I got timed out 🤣

I was a little to cocky 🤣

[buoyant igloo]

🤣

[upbeat drum]

Guess makee aint knocked up

[tawdry kestrel]

2

Odst is set in 2 on new Mombasa after the whole slipspace on the ground

It is on 3's engine or something tho

[buoyant igloo]

Ah my bad, it's been a while

[sullen tundra]

when is next season... man this last episode

😢

10/10 but kinda sad ending when he touched the artifact 😦

pepecry

[grave socket]

Is it last episode?

[iron vapor]

Yeah this season is done now

[pallid crater]

Honestly, episode 9 was probably the best ending they could do to such a poorly executed show

I honestly enjoyed it which I can't really say for most of the other episodes, besides perhaps episode 1 just cause if the hype that surrounded it

[sullen tundra]

i loved this episode

[hasty sedge]

How come?

[finite flint]

felt like this was also his last episode

[haughty dragon]

Anyone else just not see the episode on paramount plus?

Did they forget to put it up for Canada?

[leaden zodiac]

Last episode was epic, I liked the show from the start. Yes they made different choices regards the storyline from the game. But overall I enjoyed it a lot. And todays episode, damn. That was a proper halo episode

[buoyant igloo]

Yeh it was cool

[wind quiver]

I don’t think this show could have possibly been any worse.

[buoyant igloo]

It could've had worse CGI and action sequences, Halsey was written well imo

[near arrow]

How many episodes are there supposed to be?

[buoyant igloo]

9

[near arrow]

So we have 1 more next week

[buoyant igloo]

No

[near arrow]

Oh I miss counted

So now we wait for Season 2 next year

[austere hill]

Yeah, that was a pretty much on-spot Halsey. She IS like that.

[buoyant igloo]

Doubt it'll be a year, depends when they start filming

[austere hill]

Miranda and captain Keyes were also great. Now that I think about, everyone was ok-good-excellent except for Kwan and MC

[buoyant igloo]

I think the covenant woman was a bit hit or miss, like the covenant see humans as inferior

[austere hill]

She was bad-written, but the actor did a good job. I believed her performance.

[buoyant igloo]

Though I feel like that was kind of saved after some events in the show occurred

Yeh, they were all talented actors

[austere hill]

watch out, you are getting to spoiley terrain here.

[buoyant igloo]

SAVED

[austere hill]

Nice.

[hollow bison]

Show was 2/10 at best, they really butchered the writing, CGI, and some of the casting. Could have been great

Entertaining? Sure it’s fun to watch but not at all what it could have been

[real sparrow]

ok so chiefs coming back

but i wonder how

WAIT WHAT the shows OVER?

oh theres two more episodes

[leaden zodiac]

Nah this was the last episode for this season. Gotta wait another year ish for S2

[real sparrow]

it says theres supposed to be 11 episodes

[leaden zodiac]

Only 9 episodes :/

[hasty sedge]

Its wrong, there was met to be more episodes

But they were cut

[leaden zodiac]

Oh okay

[buoyant igloo]

If that meant cutting kwans story im glad

[real sparrow]

yeah same

she was unneccesary.

cool final battle, but i do wonder how chiefs gonna come b ack

[buoyant igloo]

The artifact will do it

[real sparrow]

thats my guess too but how're they gonna get it to activate without a reclaimer

[buoyant igloo]

Hollywood science

Actually

Move this to spoiler channel rq

[real sparrow]

#933834868637454446

[hard ridge]

@hybrid verge @sand venture May I speak with either of you privately? Potentially beneficial for 343.

[buoyant igloo]

I doubt it but good luck

[spring grotto]

For server moderation concerns, please message @weary rune.

[dire tusk]

https://twitter.com/i3utu/status/1527367082261635072

Thoughts on the show

[tawdry kestrel]

episode 9 it isnt showing up for me

[sullen tundra]

Anyone knows when next season coming out?

[tawdry kestrel]

we still in this season

[buoyant igloo]

Nah ep 9 was finale

It'll probably be 2 years

[tawdry kestrel]

ah

the episode isnt showing up for me

[sullen tundra]

2 years?????????

[tawdry kestrel]

any reason? bc in my timezone its 19th

[buoyant igloo]

They got to film and CGI it, and they haven't even started filming

Depends how long the season is and how much CGI needs to be done

[tawdry kestrel]

will season 2 probably be more episodes

like 15-20

[primal dove]

Probably 10, considering that was the original goal for this season

[tawdry kestrel]

why did they end on 9

[primal dove]

Couldn’t think of enough padding to extend to 10

[tawdry kestrel]

i hope the season 2 trailer(s) are abit more dramatic when theyre released

because first seasons trailer just showed hooks and reveals all the way through

[main narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5xTAvj8NI lol bruh

[tawdry kestrel]

alright I just watched eps 9 finale

I quite liked it

[fickle mantle]

Same, was a great end to season 1. Really really hoping they don’t leave us hanging for a long time

[unique badger]

Guys the show season final is awesome. They are going to do the season 2 right ? The world needs a great tv shows like this.

[sharp oyster]

This show is terrible it has nothing to do with halo. They need to redo season one and make it more accurate to what actually happened before they should consider making a season 2. For anyone that likes the show obviously you don’t know anything about halo Because if you did you’d be just as disappointed as I am to what they’re doing to your childhood hero

Read the books. Those are great stories. They should’ve started there but instead the creators of the show we’re boasting how they didn’t know anything about halo. They read no source material on the subject.

[native otter]

"They read no source material on the subject. " False

That was a news story with an incorrect headline/quote

[sharp oyster]

Then what are we watching

Because the show is about master cheeks not master chief

[native otter]

I'm just saying that quote is false

[sharp oyster]

Well it doesn’t look like they did

I’m sure they had to look at into it somewhat

[tawdry kestrel]

still better then 343s halo

[native otter]

of course they did.
I'm not here to comment on your opinion of the show, I just wanted to correct that one bit of misinformation.

[spice summit]

They did some research. But their take on Halo was something I could do without personally. Like Marcus Lehto said; not really what Halo used to be. But this last episode was definitely amongst the better ones for this show.

[sharp oyster]

Great point

[native otter]

I'll take H4 and Infinite over the show

[tawdry kestrel]

H4 and infinite are way worse

Halo ended at 3

[sharp oyster]

They did such a good job with the Witcher making that show accurate to the video game I wish the show was more in line with how that one was

[tawdry kestrel]

Well the master cheif story did

[native otter]

As someone who hasn't played any witcher game - I really enjoyed that show

[sharp oyster]

The only really decent episodes in the show are the first episode in the last episode

[spice summit]

Than the show? I would personally disagree

[tawdry kestrel]

5th episode is good

343s halo is boring there is no threat

[sharp oyster]

Henry Calville was a big fan of the game and made sure the show was accurate and set up season three to match the third game perfectly. His interviews about the subject are amazing

[tawdry kestrel]

The covenant and flood are gone the story is over

[sharp oyster]

Let’s just agree that bungee did everything right

[spice summit]

They were focussed on humanizing Chief to me. But that’s not necessairly a bad thing. At some point 343i wanted to address that and have their own creative take on it

[sharp oyster]

I agree that I think humanizing master cheif is a great topic to touch on but it needs to show him being a machine for a good season or two

[spice summit]

Bungee set the precipice for Military Sci-Fi games

[tawdry kestrel]

Who cares about that. Cheif saved the universe in the end and a well deserved rest at the end

[spice summit]

That’s where I loved the interactions between Chief and Thomas Laskey

Halo CE to Reach will always be what I grew up with. Halo 4 should’ve been where the story of Chief & Cortana ended. Halo Infinite felt like they had to repair what they kind of ruined in H5. They could’ve both been very promising games without Chief being the main protagonists and Cortana being “alive” still.

[uncut slate]

Hopefully season 2 chief is more like canon chief as a result of cortana

[sharp oyster]

Some real criticism that I have for the show is the Spartans are supposed to tower over normal people and at some points they don’t look any stronger or faster than other people. when Kai jumps on halseys ship that’s how a spartan moves. 55 mph

[tawdry kestrel]

but hey some people like star wars sequels too

[spice summit]

The actors refused to use heels while filming the show

[sharp oyster]

Other than the last 3 Star Wars movies everything star wars is amazing. The mandalorian. Baba was ok but mando made it better. Except jar jar everyone hates him

[spice summit]

I think that’s just modern Hollywood. Its a reocurring theme I’ve noticed.

[uncut slate]

Nah man not everyone hates Jar Jar. People used to hate him back when the phantom menace released but overall people don’t really hate him anymore

[tawdry kestrel]

Yeah 343 should focus on spin offs from now that they got their trilogy out of the way

[spice summit]

Darth Jar Jar, best Jar Jar

[uncut slate]

Yessir

[sharp oyster]

Jar jar and Kawn can have a stupid character baby Together

[spice summit]

Doesn’t make enough money. Chief does. That’s the kind of take I’ve gotten from 343

[sharp oyster]

If I was 343 I would’ve made a prequel halo game

[spice summit]

I’d have an episode of Jar Jar any time and any day over anything Kwan-related

[sharp oyster]

Instead of halo 4

[uncut slate]

Tf even happened to Kwan. Glad we didn’t see her and all but like she just disappeared

[sharp oyster]

Yea I think I would also

[spice summit]

She got assassinated of screen. The DM got sick of the rogue annoying the rest of the table

[uncut slate]

There’s a few episodes in the clone wars in which Jar Jar is kinda the focus lol

[spice summit]

Yeah I remember. Had a decent laugh out of it myself

[uncut slate]

They are cinematic masterpieces compared to Kwans plot line

[spice summit]

Whenever I see Jar Jar, I just assume its gonna be very scuffed

And I’m all for it

[tawdry kestrel]

343 should make a paramount halo game then

[sharp oyster]

Master Chief episode 1: “No survivors” Kwan: “hello?” Gun shot. Master Chief: “ I repeat no survivors”. SHOW SAVED!!!

[spice summit]

Oh god no

[tawdry kestrel]

Then they could give it an m rating again

[spice summit]

Oh.. perfect, now we don’t need to invoke another Article 72

[spice summit]

“So the M rating was not for the gore? Goooootcha”

[tawdry kestrel]

Bring back the gore to halo

[sharp oyster]

Did anyone else think when Halsey ordered them to execute whatever the plan she was talking about in the last episode sounded kind of like execute order 66

[spice summit]

I literally said it when that happened

[sharp oyster]

A lot going on here lol

[spice summit]

Nooo, not in this chat I meant but when I was watching it at the time

[sharp oyster]

Lolol

[tawdry kestrel]

I think they'll give them a bigger budget for s2 and the show will get better

Halo the movie in the future

[sharp oyster]

They need to get a true halo fan in there to keep things in check. I wanna see master chief going at the covenant like I’m watching a highlight video

Maybe hire the Ogre twins

[spice summit]

They just need writers that didn’t just finish high school

[pulsar pumice]

can't clap the cheeks anymore
dies

[sharp oyster]

Agreed!! A nice touch to the show could’ve been our boy Jeff Steitzer.

I see him on YouTube saying stupid stuff all the time LOL I love all of it

[buoyant igloo]

social credit deducted

Was a recent one I saw lol

[hollow bridge]

youre asking for a lot

so my main complaint with the finale was why no biofoam

[tawdry kestrel]

season 2 when

[hollow bridge]

id sayyyyyy

early 2023

dont think theyve started production yet

so theyll start shooting probably in….september?

[buoyant igloo]

It won't be ready for early 2023 if they start shooting in September

[hollow bridge]

the first episode would be

they shoot while airing

[buoyant igloo]

I reckon either late 23 at the earliest

[hollow bridge]

its pretty traditional to shoot while releasing thats the standard practice

so like by the time they hit mid season shooting episode one airs

[buoyant igloo]

Is it ?

I doubt that anymore, maybe when less CGI was used

[hollow bridge]

Yeah

depends on the show probably

[buoyant igloo]

the boys has stopped filming like last month and that's not coming out until June or July

Plus scenes from the trailer were in ep 9

[hollow bridge]

but thats just the standard practice for most series

so it depends on the show and how much work it needs in post

[buoyant igloo]

I really doubt they'll shoot as the episodes go out for this kind of show, a lot can go wrong

[hollow bridge]

thats true for any tv show

stuff happens 🤷🏽‍♂️

and if they neeed to delay they will

[buoyant igloo]

Yeh but CGI also takes time, and they're not doing that in like a week

They film all the episodes but release them weekly so you buy at least 2 months of P+

[hollow bridge]

Oh editing never happens in a week

Depends on the show and the ammount of shooting days

[buoyant igloo]

Plus Pablo teased they stopped filmed back in 2021

It takes a long time to make a show now 🤣

[hollow bridge]

standard shooting days is 8. I assume halo did probably 15-20 days an episode

or just did blocks for a batch of episodes

more shows seem to be shifting to block schedules

meaning shooting 1 and 2 together and so on and so forth

if i could find out more accurate info I would, but I dont wanna bother anyone from the production 😂

[buoyant igloo]

We just got to wait for them to confirm when they're going to film again

[lofty dock]

As MoistCritikal put it, "it's finally over"

Yay

[coarse leaf]

Season 2 is confirmed

[coarse leaf]

lmao it’s not over

[lofty dock]

Imma celebrate what I can

[coarse leaf]

you do realize if the show fails or gets canceled

That’s the end of halo live action

[coarse leaf]

why do you think WB wants to sell DC comics

when people make really bad criticisms or nitpick to the point of it being cringe like people are doing to this show, it causes the owners of the franchise to lose faith in the property, killing the franchise

[verbal fox]

Then good riddance. I rather have no Halo live action than this junk

[coarse leaf]

Not just halo live action, halo as a franchise

no more games

no more content

[verbal fox]

Halo as a game and book franchise will outlast the failure of TV

[coarse leaf]

the only reason the TV show was made is to advertise the franchise, Microsoft saw it as an investment

same with paramount

it’s why the MCU saved marvel comics and WB is selling off DC comics because it’s considered worthless to them now

even with the success of the Batman

if the show doesn’t do well that’s just more reason for Microsoft to stop putting in more resources into halo

[verbal fox]

Its a joint investment between two corporations. That being axed will have no impact on 343's ability to produce games, to find authors to write books, or try other investments. Xbox and Microsoft are extremely powerful

[coarse leaf]

since they now own all the other Major FPS titles

we can have call of duty instead

Microsoft seeing a TV show as a financial failure will cause them to reconsider halo as a franchise going forward

especially given how infinite is being received currently

[verbal fox]

Microsoft isn't gonna sell off their flagship gaming enterprise because of a TV show's failure. They certainly didn't do that with the Xbox One, they simply readjusted and reframed their products.

[coarse leaf]

no longer their flagship when they bought activision blizzard

[buoyant igloo]

No longer the flagship after 90% of the population of infinite died off lol

[coarse leaf]

Microsoft wanted Halo to be the next Star Wars

And honestly that’s an admirable goal

since Star Wars fatigue has set in for me personally

[spice summit]

That’s one way of overdramatizing this show’s shortcomings LOL

[coarse leaf]

fortunately people love the show and it’s been financially successful so far

[open python]

Halo is dying, let it rest in peace instead of trying to bleed it dry for cash. Happy to see this terrible drama romcom of a halo tv show end

[verbal fox]

Ugh, the bot

[coarse leaf]

halos been dying since halo 2

[lofty dock]

Well that's just not true

[coarse leaf]

technically the truth

[tawdry kestrel]

No

[open python]

Halo died when bungie left

Halo reach is our last good gem

[coarse leaf]

halo died with halo 3

Reach wasn’t that good

[rotund hamlet]

People have said that WoW was dying since The Burning Crusade, this kind of "ded gam" stuff has been going on since Halo 2

[open python]

You must be new to the franchise

[spice summit]

Glad to hear P+ made money from this show. I found it very underwhelming personally. Maybe S2 will be better

[rotund hamlet]

Someone even hated Halo 2 so much a website called halo2sucks.com was made

[coarse leaf]

I was there during halo 3 and halo reach

[lofty dock]

If I heard right halo 3 literally made over 34 million in the first 24 hours
And let me tell you when infinite gets a lot of content it's gonna be one of the best halo games

[verbal fox]

Microsoft is not interested in selling, only buying and growing.
When they made the Xbox One, they had marketed it as a Home Entertainment System. It went badly for them, and Sony beat them hard.
But did Microsoft give up? No, they adjusted their goals, changed their strategies, and made a lot of alterations to their corporate structure.

[coarse leaf]

Halo reach wasn’t as popular as halo 3

[buoyant igloo]

Love that it was a ' global ' success despite being only available in like 3 countries

[coarse leaf]

And CoD outsold reach

[verbal fox]

They sacked Xbox Entertainment Studios (causing a Delay in this Show's production for YEARS)

[spice summit]

This whole “dead game” stuff has been going on since the stone ages with any game lol. Especially server-based mmo’s

[coarse leaf]

Halo 3 was the last time halo outsold its competitor which was cod

[rotund hamlet]

Yeah, many have to factor in that MW2 was when COD really took off

[open python]

Reach was and still is highly loved mind you

[lofty dock]

Just because you don't like halo after 2 doesn't mean the franchise died after it

[spice summit]

Well yeah. Most kids wanted to have the latest cod

[coarse leaf]

I remember reach being pretty mixed reception wise

Lore fans like me didn’t like it

[rotund hamlet]

"Doom 2 is lazy, dead game"

[coarse leaf]

I still argue that CE is the best game in the series

[spice summit]

And then Battlefield flopped and Vanguard is pretty underwhelming, just a shell of what WaW used to be

[open python]

Story with no chief? Bad game

[spice summit]

ODST was great

[coarse leaf]

it retconned the fall of reach and ghosts of onyx

[verbal fox]

Story that broke Fall of Reach story, bad game

[coarse leaf]

and I don’t think the retcons were better

[lofty dock]

Just wondering but do you like Cod more then halo?

[coarse leaf]

Noble team needed more development

I would like to see a prequel book of them at least

[lofty dock]

Noble team was amazing

[verbal fox]

But no, Microsoft isn't giving it up. They'll simple change their investments and structure, but not stop.

[lofty dock]

Only game to make me cry

[open python]

Not much development you can do with a game

[lofty dock]

Well, she'd a tear

[verbal fox]

Halo 3 made me cry

[open python]

Nah I was balling hard

[coarse leaf]

I think halo 4 was more sad than reach

[rotund hamlet]

CE - best music, best sense of mystery
2 - Best narrative beats
3 - Best level design, best artstyle of the OT
Reach - Best game mode diversity, Best Firefight
4 - Best character moments, best sense of discovery
5 - Best EU integration, best set pieces
Infinite - Best core gameplay

[lofty dock]

Reach was so good man
Every time I listen to ghosts and glass I get goose bumps without fail

[coarse leaf]

CE, 4, and ODST have the best campaigns IMO

[verbal fox]

I honestly believe Halo Infinite is still in development. It will be another 5 years before it awesome and perfect

The show however is irredeemable

[coarse leaf]

games being unfinished seem to be a trend with modern gaming as a whole

[open python]

Core gameplay of infinite is repetitive with little to no reward. Imagine grinding hours of your week for challenges just to unlock a skin for the scout hog

[coarse leaf]

Back in my day the only customization you had was your Spartans color

[open python]

4???? Nah I need explanation

[coarse leaf]

Pelican mission

[verbal fox]

He is talking mechanics, not rewards and customization.

[rotund hamlet]

H2A and 3 are a tie for the best art direction

Something feels off about Infinite's art direction

[lofty dock]

Infinite probably only needs about a year or two imo

[open python]

Would rather that at this point, better to be happy with nothing than upset with so much

[open python]

Still has huge delay issues

[coarse leaf]

I think we’ve just been too pampered by customization

[verbal fox]

If you think about EA Star Wars Battlefront 2, it took forever to get good, but it got their eventually

[coarse leaf]

Infinite has the most in depth customization out of any halo

[rotund hamlet]

I used to be a staunch defender of putting Infinite on the Xbox One (And using RDR2 to back up my view), but after reading how short full production was and the original scope of the project, it should've been a November 2022 launch for XSX only

[lofty dock]

If infinite had all item being able to use in all the armor it would be up with reach

[open python]

They have game modes that require much skill, fps isn’t ever gonna be different skill wise

[rotund hamlet]

And planned that way from the start of 2018

[coarse leaf]

They couldn’t even start production on single player until 2018

[wind knoll]

just sad they removed daily packs

[open python]

Would rather halo reachs system for customization and ranking. I loved the grind for inheritor back in the day

[verbal fox]

At the end of the day, the foundations of Halo Infinite are firm enough to make into a great game. Its the best foundation, just the house built on it is highly underwhelming and in need of some upgrades which will take time.

[coarse leaf]

The problem with reach customization is that every beginner Spartan ends up looking the same until they get to a high enough rank for good armor

[verbal fox]

The TV Show, well, unless they delete Season 1 its gonna be bad forever

[coarse leaf]

It’s great to buy something that makes yours unique

[open python]

No issue with that. At least when you see someone with armor you can tell they worked for it rather than people today who spend $20 for an armor kit lmao

[coarse leaf]

I can’t believe Spider-Man takes off his mask in front of people in marvel movies

This is a complete smack in the face to Spider-Man fans

the Spider-Man I know that swings thru New York never takes off his mask

[verbal fox]

Except does spiderman go to sleep with Doc Ock?

[open python]

Only issue is not everyone is going to wait for it to get good, by the time it is good half the fan base would have focused on newer better projects

[coarse leaf]

in certain storylines actually dock ock sleeps with aunt may

[rotund hamlet]

My Guardians of the Galaxy NEVER has a stupid raccoon and a talking tree, worst movie ever dead movie
GoTG is reskinned Humans only

[verbal fox]

Does Spiderman sleep with Aunt May?

[coarse leaf]

also chief sleeps with makee because of their geas

[verbal fox]

They'll come back to it like they did with MCC

[open python]

There’s a video that perfectly explains why it was a bad move for chief to take off his helmet. Going years without seeing it and now seeing it in bed with someone he barely knew is so weird

[coarse leaf]

the librarian did that so the gene song can be spread through generations

[verbal fox]

That's not a good reason, at all

[open python]

The MCC that had everyone back for a good couple of months then died again

[coarse leaf]

that’s actually a good reason tho

[buoyant igloo]

Erm😳👀

[coarse leaf]

a geas is just DNA instructions

the way the geas is inherited

Is when reclaimers procreate

[rotund hamlet]

At the rate Aunt May's portrayals are going, probably in a future reboot

[verbal fox]

Space Magic. Is enough for someone to commit a crime and sleep with a POW?

[coarse leaf]

yes

[open python]

“They smashed cause they were designed to smash like rabbits in the wild with their genes and such”

[coarse leaf]

the show is going heavy into forerunner lore that explains it

[rotund hamlet]

Go Mass Effect and canonize an arbiter scene

[verbal fox]

The show explains very little

[coarse leaf]

and you can’t explain everything in a single season

[open python]

Is the halo show even canon?

[coarse leaf]

Pablo said forerunner stuff happens more in season 2

[verbal fox]

No, but at times it acts like you should know canon

[open python]

If so does that mean cortana has just been talking to herself for every game

[open python]

Well that brightens my day a little

[verbal fox]

They mention Cole Protocol twice, they are plot relevant, but doesn't explain it to the audience

[coarse leaf]

show don’t tell

[coarse leaf]

no one likes exposition

[rotund hamlet]

Correction - Exposition done poorly is bad

[open python]

Wait so what’s the point of making a tv show about something, and taking the time and money to make it live action, just to NOT MAKE IT LORE ACCURATE???

[coarse leaf]

and halos cutscenes in the games is mostly exposition

[verbal fox]

My thoughts exactly

[coarse leaf]

season 2 is gonna have chief with his helmet on almost every episode

[verbal fox]

They could have saved themselves with just remaining with lore

[coarse leaf]

And you’re gonna see how boring it is

[toxic warren]

They touched on their reasoning in this blog
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/silver-debrief-a-new-beginning

[open python]

That’s the equivalent of stabbing me 20 times in my crotch and then apologizing with lemonade

[coarse leaf]

it’s going to be awful with his helmet on

[verbal fox]

Yeah cause Season 1 was so horrible it would take a miracle to make Season 2 interesting

[open python]

It was awful with it off lmao

[verbal fox]

Its really hard to fix something that is already terrible

[open python]

The only people left to watch it are people who tricked themselves into thinking it was good and the people who want to see how much worse they can make each episode

[verbal fox]

Sometimes the best you can do is start over, like Halo Infinite did with the storyline

[coarse leaf]

Awful because adult content and actors acting

[open python]

Have mixed feelings about that personally

[verbal fox]

Or those who never knew anything about Halo and have very low expectations of TV

[open python]

Anybody who didn’t grow up with it basically lol

[coarse leaf]

are you actually implying that one of the reasons why the show is objectively bad is because no helmet

no helmet therefor bad

[open python]

Yes

[coarse leaf]

if you had no frame of reference for any prior source material you wouldn’t say so

[open python]

And a whole lot of people agree

[verbal fox]

I hear people say: its better when you forget about Halo, or when you look at Pablo Chief as a different Spartan. That's literally being delusional

[coarse leaf]

that’s called being objective

you’re unable to look at it objectively which is weird

[open python]

EXACTLY these people will stop at nothing to try and defend this show

[coarse leaf]

people didn’t like Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man BECAUSE of the Sam Raimi and Tobey movies

[verbal fox]

I'm sorry, why does this show exist in the first place? Isn't there a hugely popular franchise with millions of fans whose love of it was what inspired and payed for its creation?

[coarse leaf]

Despite being an objectively great Spider-Man

I have a lot of problems with the show

[open python]

Their argument is “I know you loved it the way it was before and thought it was perfect, but dont be shy to try it like this! Something that is the complete opposite of what made you fall in love with the series and completely stomps on any and every bit of hope you had for the series”

[coarse leaf]

But I can’t take your criticisms seriously if you think having a face to a character is an objectively bad thing

[verbal fox]

I'm not a robot. I am customer. This isn't science or math, this opinions and entertainment. If the only way to enjoy a show is to forget why I enjoyed the franchise in the first place, then its bad.

[coarse leaf]

I’m gonna let you guys in on a secret

[austere hill]

I liked the show. And I know maybe it will rub someone, but the last minutes of silent chief were better. But don't worry, hell be back.

[open python]

There is literally a 30 minute video on youtube explaining it better than I can, please watch it

[coarse leaf]

The reason why chief didn’t have a face in the games isn’t because he was some “faceless” character for the player to inhabit

Bungie made that up as an excuse

Chief didn’t show his face in the games

[verbal fox]

I know

[rotund hamlet]

Chief had a face since TFOR

[coarse leaf]

Because it’s first person

[verbal fox]

Fall of Reach came out before CE

[coarse leaf]

Can you see your own forehead?

no

[open python]

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Don’t want to spend my money on something I don’t like. Especially not support it financially

[coarse leaf]

The reason why chief never had a face in the games is the same reason why you can’t see your own forehead

Why model something you’re not going to see

[open python]

Gave us a sneak peak of his eyes before

Can’t see your own eyes

[coarse leaf]

eyes are part of the face

we’ve seen his face since 4

[verbal fox]

Because the purpose of the story isn't who is John Halo, its fighting aliens and saving Humanity

Events, not people, drove Halo

[coarse leaf]

Halo is about halos

which is what the show is about

[verbal fox]

The show barely even shows the Ring

[coarse leaf]

none of the shows plot points would take place without the halo array

[verbal fox]

"Oh look, Halo. Now back to the regularly scheduled boredom"

[coarse leaf]

It’s the entire point of the season

[open python]

And it was terrible

[coarse leaf]

Terrible why

[verbal fox]

The point of the season was two Keystones, which were weappns of them own, Halo could have been anything, from a ship to a vault to a sun and it wouldn't change anything.

[coarse leaf]

It’s bad because it’s bad mkay

[open python]

Filled with unsc drama. Felt like euphoria if it was halo themed

[coarse leaf]

have you read the books

Half the books are about fighting innies not the covenant

[verbal fox]

The vast majority of Books taking place during the HCW are Humanity vs the Covenant

Post War books have the insurrection as major plot points, yes, but the Covenant isn't approaching Earth then

[coarse leaf]

ghosts of onyx literally opens off with an insurrection counter operation during the war

[open python]

I can’t imagine someone with a straight face trying to say they would rather inner unsc drama rather than humanity vs covenant battles

[verbal fox]

Yes but that was to introduce Kurt, not the central plot of the book

[coarse leaf]

the point being the covenant war didn’t stop the insurrection

[verbal fox]

It was a chapter, not a manifesto

[coarse leaf]

it’s the entire reason why Spartans exist

[open python]

What was even the point of that secondary part of the story in the show? Literally just a random insurrection girl finding herself with chiefs old spartan friend who’s a creepy pirate now

[verbal fox]

The UNSC drama took half of this show if not more, the Covenant relegated to a side note

Yes but no cared during the HCW why the Spartans were originally created

[coarse leaf]

because budget affects story

[open python]

Definitely more lol

[verbal fox]

Halsey states as much

[open python]

If you don’t have the budget to do it right than don’t do it at all

[coarse leaf]

most military work is just workplace drama

very little action

[verbal fox]

They did it right with FUD and a small budget

[open python]

Which is the exact opposite of what people fell in love with

[verbal fox]

No one wants to watch soldiers mow grass

[coarse leaf]

FUD is literally half UNSC drama

[coarse leaf]

that’s what being a soldier is like

[verbal fox]

I know

[open python]

But but it adds plot to their characters!!!

[coarse leaf]

everyone says this should be like band of brothers

has anyone actually watched band of brothers

It’s mostly dialogue scenes in foxholes

[open python]

Star Wars wasn’t focused solely on fighting and they did great with the type of budget they had then

[verbal fox]

FUD is a half character driven, half event based story.
It starts character driven, then turns event driven when the Covies show up

[open python]

And there’s a HUGE difference between drama and actual interesting plot

[coarse leaf]

and the action is the weakest part of FUD

[verbal fox]

But the whole darn time it teases a distance threat

[coarse leaf]

the best part of FUD was lasky

[verbal fox]

FUD does a better job of capturing the dread of the HCW than the TV Show

There is no dread in the TV show

[open python]

Agreed

[verbal fox]

The action in FUD was also limited by the budget, however despite that it was good!!!!

[coarse leaf]

it really hasn’t aged well

[open python]

I thought they were doing something good when almost killing off SOMEONE but nope this is basically a Disney show now

[coarse leaf]

neither has halo landfall

[verbal fox]

Its aged better than the TV Show...

[coarse leaf]

no it hasn’t

The CGI is objectively worse

[open python]

It really has

[verbal fox]

Okay if you think Halo Landfall didn't age well your standards are way off

[coarse leaf]

even the VFX teams from FUD will tell you that

[rotund hamlet]

Rewatch Landfall

[verbal fox]

Landfall, despite being a decade plus old still stands the test of time

[coarse leaf]

the difference between the vfx in landfall and the show is night and day

[rotund hamlet]

Many of the effects blend in well but the CG is absolutely bad

[verbal fox]

I do, often.

[coarse leaf]

Landfall looks good because it’s found footage

[rotund hamlet]

Not to mention the color palette and the tone are stereotypically grey and not really fitting of halo

[open python]

Landfall looks good cause it’s good especially for it’s time

[open python]

Huh

[coarse leaf]

I was never a fan of blonkamps style

It’s not bad but it’s not for me

[open python]

It seems like you just dislike anything that’s deemed good by the public

[coarse leaf]

nah

[rotund hamlet]

Contrary to popular opinion both Landfall and We Are ODST are so tonally divorced from the games they advertise

[coarse leaf]

I wasn’t a fan of chappie either

[verbal fox]

And Deliver Hope?

[open python]

I can kind of see that but overall it fit well for me in the way i viewed things. I mean this is a war after all

[coarse leaf]

deliver hope costed millions of dollars for 1 minute of an ad

45 minutes per episode

[rotund hamlet]

If you watched We Are ODST you'd be thinking the game would be an emotional rollercoaster filled with death, sacrifice, and perseverance.

But it's actually a glorified detective simulator with funny talking grunts and brutes that jump everywhere

[coarse leaf]

Let’s say 1 million for a minute

You’d be looking at $180 million for a 4 episode show

$360 million for 8

[open python]

That i can agree with but i didn’t hate it

[verbal fox]

That doesn't make the ad itself bad, its adverstising after all

[rotund hamlet]

Didn't we agree that Hunt The Truth's tonal divorcement was bad for Halo 5?

[coarse leaf]

Halo landfall has full auto battle rifles

That’s not game accurate

[verbal fox]

Yes, but Hunt the Truth itself was awesome

[open python]

So was the halo show

[open python]

We saw multiple times a fully automatic dmr

[rotund hamlet]

No sane company would invest in $360 million for a miniseries unless it was for a really REALLY popular property that had a guaranteed return financially and critically

[verbal fox]

Now, if we want to compare ads to the product they advertised, than the ones for the TV show were HORRIFICALLY inaccurate

[open python]

I thought this show was going to focus on the HCW but instead was a flaming ball of drama

[coarse leaf]

they used actual scenes from the show in the ads

Unlike the ads for the games

[verbal fox]

In extremely deceiving ways

[rotund hamlet]

People are going to be mad when the Fallout series premiers

[open python]

You know it

[verbal fox]

Yes, yes they will because Hollywood is a flaming dumpster

[coarse leaf]

How was it deceiving

because they showed the best visual effects shots?

[open python]

My comment alone from before

[rotund hamlet]

People will complain to death about the lack of faction politics when that view didn't even start until Fallout New Vegas... not to mention Fallout has always had a good vs. evil dynamic

[open python]

“I thought this show was going to focus on the HCW but instead was a flaming ball of drama”

[verbal fox]

They used the actions scenes mostly despite it only being 5% of the actual product

[open python]

EXACTLY

[coarse leaf]

I feel like you unironically want a Michael bay adaptation of halo

[verbal fox]

They should have had more of Cheeks questioning the UNSC

[open python]

But “budget restrictions” make it okay

[verbal fox]

It would be better than this

[coarse leaf]

oh god no

have you even seen the transformers movies

[verbal fox]

However at this point I believe there shouldn't be any live action at all

[open python]

It’s the same garbage they pulled with the halo 5 advertisements where we thought chief and or lock were gonna kill one another and then that just being a metaphor

[verbal fox]

Hollywood has proven its inability to adapt games

[rotund hamlet]

Drive's trailers made it look like a run-of-the-mill car chase movie

Paranormal Activity 3 didn't use a single final clip from the movie in any of its trailers

Avengers Infinity War and Endgmae used a mix of the above

[coarse leaf]

The only redeeming factors for bayformers is that the action is well done yes

[verbal fox]

Their story arcs are just not capable between industries.

[coarse leaf]

but they’re terrible movies because there’s no substance to them

[open python]

We needed a mix of both

This series over dramatizations and the action of michael bay ig

[verbal fox]

No one remembers the bad writing from transformers, not as much as the action

[coarse leaf]

everyone remembers the bad writing

It’s why people hate them

[verbal fox]

This TV series though is so egregiously bad that even the last episode's action was forgettable

[rotund hamlet]

So do people who like John Wick but like with Transformers nobody watches them for the deep plot

[coarse leaf]

the best part about bayformers was the character development of optimus prime becoming more jaded

[wraith depot]

The show is finally over 🙏🏻

9 episodes too long

[verbal fox]

🙏 for cancellation of Season 2

[open python]

Can we also talk about how inconsistent they were with chiefs skill in the TV show? Like 1 second he couldn’t beat a brute alone and the next he took on a squad of them while defending his squadmate

[wraith depot]

Well the 1 brute was atriox is why

[coarse leaf]

Remember in halo infinite where chief gets beat by atriox and then goes and murders hundreds of brutes

[wraith depot]

Believe it or not that’s one of the few things that made sense

[open python]

Cortana just used a pelican and we assume he’s dead now

[verbal fox]

Well that isn't as big as an incosistency because the Brute ran away in its first appearance. Coward

[wraith depot]

Also true

[coarse leaf]

He had the keystone

Why would he go off mission

[wraith depot]

Shoutout to the prophets for sitting there unguarded and not getting acknowledged once

[open python]

To fulfill another of their mission? Beheading the Demon

[verbal fox]

More like Slipspace travel, weapon effects, MJOLNIR strength, character intelligence, what Cole Protocol means, etc etc etc....

[austere hill]

Guys, just remember there hasn't been 24 hours from the release of last episode. Keep spoiler chat at minimum or go to the spoiler channel.

[open python]

Nerd /jk

[coarse leaf]

if you’re in a combat zone why are you going to shoot at non combatants

that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[austere hill]

Gotta keep the rules

[wraith depot]

They’re the leaders of the covenant

[verbal fox]

Because that, and Cheeks already committed war crimes, why not add more

[coarse leaf]

I thought you guys didn’t like war crimes

[verbal fox]

Well, tbf Military personnel are always targets, even unarmed

[wraith depot]

It’s not a war crime they’re the literally the leaders of the 500 aliens attacking them

[coarse leaf]

when you can’t confirm that they’re a combatant you do not fire

[open python]

Did we ever get any foreshadowing that halsey was a flash clone? Like at all? Kinda disliked how they just said “surprise” with nothing to point towards it

[coarse leaf]

that’s basic training right there

[wraith depot]

Bruh they were sitting on a golden throne sorrounded by covenant

[coarse leaf]

the nose bleed

[verbal fox]

They are leaders, they are legitimate military targets

[coarse leaf]

can you confirm they are leaders

[verbal fox]

Yes

[wraith depot]

Yes

[open python]

The one that most assumed was from after crashing at like 100mph into the ground

[coarse leaf]

she left in a life pod

life pods don’t crash like that normally

[wraith depot]

Halsey explained what happens to flash clones to chief after he discovered he was kidnapped

[open python]

But it’s shown to be crashed in the soil

[coarse leaf]

yes but when you’re secured in you get out without any injuries

[wraith depot]

And that she gave chiefs parents a clone to die from what seemed like natural causes

[coarse leaf]

Unless you’re in a life boat with master chief

[little anvil]

Thats what happens when you hit the ground with 1000 pounds of unsecured armor in the back.

[coarse leaf]

due to the nature of flash clones they die very quickly due to a seizure disorder

they don’t have to give them anything

They just die naturally

[open python]

It’s not even explained when they made a switch tho

[wraith depot]

Yeah to make chiefs parents think he died from an illness

After he was taken away

[coarse leaf]

why would they explain that?

[open python]

I’ve not once brought up chief my guy Ive solely been referring to halsey

[coarse leaf]

I knew it was a clone when they had her in custody

[little anvil]

Genetic instabilities technically, but yes.

[coarse leaf]

she didn’t have blood on her face when she was arrested

but when she’s being with Miranda

She has a nose bleed

[open python]

You don’t think someone might’ve ruffed her up for what she did

[coarse leaf]

lots of things can happen off screen

like having a flash clone

it’s called a twist

[wraith depot]

I know I was just explaining when she first explained how they work that’s like the best foreshadowing knowing that she is capable of flash cloning and she’s Halsey so she crazy

[open python]

True ig but you don’t usually let such a big plot point go by so easily like that lol

[coarse leaf]

you’re literally nitpicking about a literary device you learned in high school

what are you going to nitpick next? grammar?

[open python]

Yes

[wraith depot]

Chief really said the S word bruh

[open python]

Literally bruh

[coarse leaf]

A twist is bad because it’s a twist, no reason for it, I just don’t like the show because I don’t like it and will make nonsensical nitpicks that have no actual meaning

GUYS THE DARK KNIGHT IS BAD BECAUSE THE JOKER ISNT COMIC ACCURATE

[wraith depot]

I like how the brutes have no significance once so ever in the show really makes the covenant so bland

Like the elites are dumb too the grunts and jackals barely are there

[open python]

I like how they tried to add atriox to the mix as a slight advertisement for infinite even though canonically we wouldn’t see him for yeaaarsssssss

[wraith depot]

Then atriox casually has no introduction no voice lines

[open python]

Right

[wraith depot]

Yeah like it could’ve been Tartarus

[coarse leaf]

this reminds me so much when idiots complained about Batman v Superman

[wraith depot]

Ya know the brute they already had