#halo-the-series-chat

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verbal fox
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Waggghhh

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Exactly

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Ngl i dont really like what they did with chief

verbal fox
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Agreed

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Theres a certain balance to Chief and his humanity. The show went overboard

tawdry kestrel
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WORT WORT WORT is Alien for "You were my brother Anakin" after all

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honestly if chief's went full robot mode all season would be boring to watch

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They had him ||take off his helmet in front of some random girl, not put it back on till episode 3 and then ditch the unsc. Not to mention they legit had a completely unnecessary scene of naked Chief. Could’ve at least kept underwear or pants||

dusk ice
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the point of chief touching the object is to plant a doubt in that subject of humanity

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verbal fox
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He's a boring emotional right now. Its all one overt emotion that is so overt is boring

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It removes that badass aspect of him

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dusk ice
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Absolutely

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really

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Yes

verbal fox
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When looking at the character of the Master Chief, you have to look at him as two people: John and Chief.
This show cut out all of Chief, so when you look at Pablo John you are looking at an imposter that is a perversion of himself

inner hull
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True

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They could have had the helmet off during the surgery but have the camera so we cant see his face, that woulda been cool too

dusk ice
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lets say another vg example, the most recent one sonic, if that movie is straight up adapting from the game it would be just sonic running around and collecting rings until he fights the villain. its boring in paper and on screen

verbal fox
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Then you have the whole Suppression of memories doohickey (too many censors) and the pellet junk that undermines the original character completely

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no other angle on other characters, no character development its just boring

verbal fox
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Does sonic not run fast in the movie?

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verbal fox
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Then why have we only had Chief fight anything only once in the past 3 Episodes?

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I think they should have done Chief like they did in Forward Unto Dawn

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Now that Chief was awesome

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inner hull
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Its about the balance

verbal fox
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They did Cortana dirty too

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Not in a fun way

dusk ice
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and also the ethics of UNSC and ONI stuff

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see if you're seeing it from the newcommers eyes like me that stuff is important to address

verbal fox
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They are trying to tell a story about John finding his Humanity in the most tropy way possible. The Amnesiac Soldier unlocking their memories and having a change of faith, while having a manipulative E-wife. That's Blade Runner 2049 in a nutshell, and Captain Marvel had the same plot too

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dusk ice
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like the audacious halsey deed to make spartan

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Now Chief isn’t a robot, but they’ve made him far too much humanlike

verbal fox
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dusk ice
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the armor removing is not a problem

inner hull
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Yea it is

verbal fox
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He spent all of Episode 2 walking around with no helmet and no armor, talking. Chatting. Nothing.

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This isn't a Halo story

dusk ice
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i dont mind if chief removing the suit AT ALL, but it needs to be an important moment, like in mandalorian

inner hull
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That armor is not his entire character, but a major part of it. The armor is essentially his identity, it shrouds him in mystery

verbal fox
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This is a boring, cookie cutter melodrama

inner hull
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Taking it off makes him look like a normal person, which is not the Chief at all

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Not to mention they got the looks wrong

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Thats the person he should be

dusk ice
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this show is a multi season they cant just write chief's stagnant

verbal fox
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John Wick does it, works fine, sells movies. Same with James Bond

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I’m all for Chief learning about his past and having emotions and stuff, but not to the level where he takes off his helmet for some random girl he just met and ditches the UNSC

urban sparrow
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yeah because he def hasn't ditched the UNSC before in the games smirkle

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verbal fox
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Now, against Maul's point, even in the games, Chief and John had character. There were books, extend lore, that even further expounded upon it

inner hull
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Mhm

urban sparrow
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yeah he has his armor off completely quite a lot in the books and his character is expanded on in novels quite a bit

verbal fox
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But from when John puts on the armor in 2525 to the end of the Human Covenant War in 2553, John and Chief were the same person

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urban sparrow
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when off duty probably

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dude isn't going to space Wendy's in full Mjolnir

verbal fox
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It was only through reconciling with all he lost (Cortana, Spartan IIs, and tons of worlds he couldn't save) that John and Chief become two different people

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Especially Sam

verbal fox
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Well, Sam's death in my opinion served to initially fuse John and Chief together

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Sam was the first man he lost, a friend and teammate, and it made John swear to fight the Covenant to the end and to be the best he could be

inner hull
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I suppose you have a point

verbal fox
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But once it was over, the mission that defined him, that ennobled him for nearly 3 decades, was gone.

inner hull
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Im confused now

verbal fox
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How so?

inner hull
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We’re talking about Chief’s actual character right now when the whole argument is based off of the show messing it up

verbal fox
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Because only by highlighting John's true character can we highlight the perversion that is Pablo Chief

inner hull
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Lol

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But there are scenes where you can somehow see his face behind that helmet. His expressions, emotions

urban sparrow
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absolutely, like in Halo 3 when johnson dies

inner hull
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Like when Cortana “died” in halo 4, you could practically see him shedding a tear

verbal fox
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Yes, there are chips in his armor, times when John and Chief separately briefly for the player to see.

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But because of what you have seen before, its so profound

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And you can feel his anger and sorrow when he sees his fellow spartans’ dead bodies in halo infinite

verbal fox
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It matters because you see someone so strong, so stoic, so brave, feel ever so briefly the losses he experiences

inner hull
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Precisely

verbal fox
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If one of silver team died and Chief got sad in this show, his emotional state has already been undermined that it would be unimpactful, devoid of meaning

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Yes

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but i hope not

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I haven’t played infinite in a while so my memory might be rusty

dusk ice
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because i like kai

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I think it was the first or second spartan that they came across that was killed by those two brutes

verbal fox
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Somehow I doubt it. They seem to have very little interest in raising stakes for the UNSC

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When he stands up and says “We have a score to settle” you can hear the determination in his voice, the pain, the anger

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verbal fox
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I doubt too that Reach will Fall

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They want to reuse the sets for at least another season

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When does the show take place again

verbal fox
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It doesn't matter the year they blew up the timeline

dusk ice
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but honestly when i watched the show i didnt feel there's a war

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verbal fox
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It has me confused because Halsey still looks young, yet Chief is wearing his latest Mark VI armor

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Thats one of my issues

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The inaccuracies with the looks and appearances. At this point, Chief should be wearing his Mark IV armor

dusk ice
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because in the first scene we saw it form madrigal perspective that didnt know there's a war but that the war is already started and it feels disjointed to feel there's any war with covie

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that's my only prob with the show

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Madrigal was the only good scene imo for the first few moments

verbal fox
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Madrigal battle and some of the Corvette scene

dusk ice
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everything else is good imo

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Does anyone else here just love the Axios theme

verbal fox
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Yes

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verbal fox
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When Lasky shouts Axios and runs from a Hunter in FUD

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soundtrack from the game?

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verbal fox
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FUD is much better than this show, even with the low budget and poor writing quality they nailed the foundations

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They nailed the Covenant, and Chief

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That was epic

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eh

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And when Chief defeated the hunter

verbal fox
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I remember it well. They made the Covenant absolutely terrifying

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Now that was a moment to remember

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verbal fox
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Absolutely nailed the HCW aspect of the universe

dusk ice
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before this show release FUD was indeed my favorite because live action chief but now the show released its my favoite show

spice summit
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I think this show ranks below Nightfall and above the average dailymotion fan-made halo shows for me.

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I miss the old ODST cinematics

inner hull
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Ehh

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im curious season 2 100% they defintely gonna do halo CE at least with the ring, i wonder what they will gonna do with s3 if its green lit

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I don't think they will. Its all Silver Canon

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If they were to "Copy/paste" Halo CE and give it their signature "Silver tongue twist". I'm pretty sure it will be as dead as club penguin within a very short time.

dusk ice
# inner hull Def not halo ce

well at least the element of it yknow, landed on the ring and probably destroyed it hwat happen inbetween is up to them

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dusk ice
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the gist of CE

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Doubt it

spice summit
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At least it took several missions in CE to figure out the intention of the ring

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They did it in one episode in the show

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Thats why halo ce essentially can’t happen

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They ||learned it from a crazy mentally insane dude||

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If you actually watched episode 3 you’d know that

dusk ice
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its vague but ok

spice summit
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In halo ce they obviously had no previous knowledge of the ring

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but its just speculation in john's mind but the rest of unsc dont know that and still take it as a rumor

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They’re clearly not setting up halo ce

dusk ice
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Not setting up halo ce

spice summit
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If they were setting up CE; they would mostly stick to Canon. But they went generic sci-fi instead of Halo

inner hull
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The halo show is its own thing, its not just gonna grab halo ce and use it

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spice summit
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Let buddy dream, he's clearly well educated

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i'd much rather see the Fall of Reach happen if anything

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spice summit
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Also Halo Reach

spice summit
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They were tho

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But they've gone silver timeline, so they have plenty of "room" to work it in

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Sam’s death will always be a solid kick to the nuts

dusk ice
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its easy to digest i say

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spice summit
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Its very bland, that's what it is.

dusk ice
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it is what it is with no console or potato computer

spice summit
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That for 10mil per episode. Give it to Machinima and they'll make something more appealing

inner hull
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Doesn’t matter if its a game or a movie

dusk ice
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yes i guess it takes away the enjoyment of playing the game it self

inner hull
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You dont even play it

spice summit
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It takes away the gist of playing and enjoying Halo

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"I'm an expert of this whole universe, because I watched a review on youtube"

inner hull
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Lol fr

spice summit
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Its ironic

dusk ice
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hell i only watch halo 5 guardians just the cutscenes lol,never played the game

spice summit
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LOL. That is your benchmark of Halo? Christ

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No wonder you're enjoying this

urban sparrow
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I love the TV show so far

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verbal fox
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Hey, Snowadays, we attack arguments not people

inner hull
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Halo 5 was a dumpster fire

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before that i only watch the cutscnes

inner hull
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So is the show

spice summit
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That just explained a lot lol

verbal fox
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You can, just by talking about it in different terminology

dusk ice
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my fav halo is halo 3 i watched halo 5 because i want to understand the full story of halo

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you just missing the point

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verbal fox
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He's played Halo 1-3 it sounds like too

spice summit
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He never played it @verbal fox . Make sure to read through the entire conversation.

dusk ice
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but never halo 5

inner hull
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You would think that after playing those games you’d understand John better

verbal fox
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verbal fox
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Makes sense

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verbal fox
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And thats a lot

spice summit
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That is seemingly already more than the showrunners.

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verbal fox
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Knowing and understanding are two different things

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verbal fox
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The book actually came out before the game...

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verbal fox
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Omg, Maul

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Nylund is the original author of Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike

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Ohh yea i remember now

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spice summit
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I’ll be honest, I like how they did Cortana’s character, I do

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But the looks? Not to sound like a pervert but its just inaccurate

spice summit
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I was really concerned with Cortana's design in the initial trailer, but its definitely a good part of this series after watching it.

verbal fox
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Also find their take on Halsey pretty alright

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I dont know when this takes place between Chief’s armor, Halsey’s age, and Cortana’s design

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Wasn’t Cortana originally purple?

dusk ice
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here's my opinion why i like this show:
Because im not expecting to be accurate
I like it fresh
Not expecting something that already been done from the game and do it again.

verbal fox
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I see a lot of red flags with both Halsey and Cortana, but nothing I can fully pounce upon yet

spice summit
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Holograms were depicted "purple" in the original game and they changed it after.

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At least its a hologram still and not just a pseudo-human

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True

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verbal fox
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Ugh... fresh? More like a splat and spilled popcorn

urban sparrow
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she was green at one point

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urban sparrow
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yes

spice summit
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I never saw green cortana

verbal fox
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She took a break to get better. Green cortana wasn't feeling too dandy

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Lol

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urban sparrow
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I dont remember

urban sparrow
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"he's your pal is he? your chum?"

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No I know the scene

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But I vividly remember her being purple

urban sparrow
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just google image search CE green cortana

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verbal fox
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I haven't seen enough of Halsey's motivations yet, nor of Cortana's intentions.
If my inferences are correct, they made Halsey pure mad scientist, not the regretful woman who treats the Spartans better because of what she did.

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I see it

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urban sparrow
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cortana has many colors depending on her mood

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She was probably green bc of all the knowledge n stuff

urban sparrow
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Normal: Blue/Purple
Angry: Pink/Green[4]
Rampant/Angry: Red[5]
Flattered: Pink

verbal fox
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Holograms are literally just light projected, light can change colors, it isn't a big deal

timid ether
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My uneducated guess would be. Bad engine shader's and bad lighting engine XD but i accept aegis inworld explanation

urban sparrow
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it's also lore explained too

verbal fox
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Gosh, do you see the tweet they just sent out

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Oh nice

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John considers Reach home, he cares very little about Eridanus II

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Reach was home

verbal fox
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Thats one other thing they messed up

verbal fox
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Adopted home, yes

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I honestly dont remember a whole lot

verbal fox
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But the only home that mattered for him until it was glassed

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My memory is fuzzy

timid ether
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Makes sense in the show. He has no memory of Eridanus. And it can't be a ship because he hated spaceships.
Surely he would pick reach then because he grew up there

verbal fox
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In actual lore he does remember Eridanus II. But it isn't the same to him as Reach

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Oh ok

timid ether
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Yes. But this a Halo show chat. And for the show it makes sense

verbal fox
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But the show doesn't make sense

inner hull
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Nope

timid ether
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That's your opinion

verbal fox
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Its a popular opinion

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Its a fact

urban sparrow
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what about the show doesn't make sense?

inner hull
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Everything

urban sparrow
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oh ok thanks

timid ether
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Because it not like the game duh

urban sparrow
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people are expecting it to be like the game and it's not supposed to be

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You cant even tell what time period it is without googling

verbal fox
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Because its foundations are built on sand, not the core themes of Halo

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Between young Halsey, Chief’s mark vi armor

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2552

timid ether
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Also they screwed up Chief’s character

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Its not a great one

timid ether
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That can everyone decide for themselves or not

verbal fox
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Its Pablo Chief 666

inner hull
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Yes

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My thing is you can't have this chief as his own thing, then expect us to get excited or even interested in him. You have to build this new chief up so that we respect him. If they are truly going their own way then they have to earn the emotions they invoke or it just falls flat

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Also people really don’t understand that difference between story and lore

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Most people would’ve probably been fine with that. And then master Chief shows up in the finale as some sort of cameo like Luke Skywalker did in the Mandalorian

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That would’ve been awesome. They literally went out of their way with this show to screw the canon and make people not want to watch it.

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There was a way to make everyone happy and they decided not to. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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ive said it before but at least halo nightfall was in with the lore, I’d watch that over this one any day.

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The guy who did locke wasn’t even a bad actor it was just some of the effects that were meh

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I would've even enjoyed a show on Osiris team

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Or the original Team Noble

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That would be interesting

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Yeah it’s like I don’t love fireteam Osiris but at least that would’ve actually been a part of the lore and I would actually look forward to watching it

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It might’ve fixed Halo 5 if they did that too

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They could’ve made Osiris really likable

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perhaps even flesh out the stuff with Cortana and the created

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Oh what could have been 😰

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I'd watch a 2 hour movie on the grunt rebellion

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# static lance Or the original Team Noble

The only thing holding back Noble Team from being introduced in the show/silver timeline is that Spartan 3 program has to be introduced as well which opens a whole can of worms that might confuse the audience.

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Johnson was such a no brainer episode 1 introduction too. Would have been so hype

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grim bone
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grim bone
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I would’ve rather had Chief show up in a cameo for five minutes as actual Chief than have pretend chief think he’s the real deal.

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grim bone
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I wish that were true my friend

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grim bone
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It has nothing to do with avoiding it lmfao. That guy isn’t mater Chief. They can SAY he is, sure. But he isn’t.

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grim bone
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It’s just like with Captain Keyes and Miranda in the show. They can SAY they’re the Keyes, sure. But they aren’t.

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grim bone
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They can SAY it’s the covenant...but it isn’t.

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I don’t see how. I’m just calling it like I see it.

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grim bone
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So that’s how I know I am right unquestionably.

static lance
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Bro they need a human to activate the rings and keystones

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grim bone
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Well I can bring up 50+ other things but I don’t care enough to. I’ve already have before you’re free to lookup previous convos in this channel.

static lance
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I actually thought them hunting down a reclaimer and brainwashing them genius considering they would need one reguardless

grim bone
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Just saying show is bad and I’ll never see them as who they are trying to portray.

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I’m sure Pablo is a fantastic actor elsewhere but I don’t like what they’re doing with the show. That’s all there is to it.

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and saying he’s chief isn’t going to make me be like “oh yeah he’s Chief”

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grim bone
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Well Tartarus is a brute

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grim bone
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They’re supposed to act...well..brutal. It’s in the name.

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grim bone
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It’s not like that’s some big surprise lol😂

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Who fully believed in the great Journey and he was told to do it by truth

grim bone
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Okay?? And?? He’s still a brute regardless of taking orders or not

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He’s going to be brutal and rude regardless lol

static lance
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If you didn't follow orders in the covenant you could die dude

grim bone
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He did follow his orders??

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See how you argument starts to fall apart when you realise that truth didn’t care how they got to the great journey.

static lance
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That's my point

grim bone
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I’m not understanding what point you’re trying to make

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grim bone
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The prophets didn't but the followers did

grim bone
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They were told that the great journey is a lie by the oracle on the ship in contact harvest

glacial widget
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And the religion was more of a way of the San'Shyuum keeping control of the other species

grim bone
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Yes??

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spice summit
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Reach is still about Spartans and Chief/Cortana were part of that narrative. ODST was standalone

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ODST showed that you don’t need Master Chief at every corner. There’s plenty of space in this universe to narrative intriguing stories.

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Mate it’s not halo without chief. Those games are never gonna do as well as flagship

spice summit
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Do they have to?

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They did better than H5

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grim bone
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Well that sucks. I just rekt you guys about that whole Oracle covenant thing but it deleted my message

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I’m my going to write that out again oh well

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ODST sold 6.3 million Copy’s halo 5 sold 9.5 million

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It’s alright they don’t care about lore anyways. The show zealots ain’t about that 😂😂

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I always saw ODST as an expansion to halo 3

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Idk

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Halo 3 sold 11.6 million copy’s and reach sold 9.52 its just an indisputable fact that games with chief sell better

grim bone
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It reminds me of how empire at war did their expansion

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Same time period I guess

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grim bone
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Well I don’t know about that. I could be fine with just reach.

static lance
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He was on Reach during the fight but that's only in the comic

grim bone
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Though I would miss 3

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grim bone
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It’s just that paramount were the people who offered them the most money

grim bone
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But technically yes

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So they got the rights

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grim bone
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He does make an appearance as a firefight voice in Reach

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Forgot about that lol

glacial widget
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Ya boys an ending cutscenes or a voice over doesn’t mean the game is about chief

static lance
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If you arnt playing as chief or alongside him the game ain’t about chief

grim bone
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Just pointing it out lol

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You show zealots sure are cuttthroat

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Mmhmm

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I’d argue none of the OT is about Chief

verbal fox
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I have not in here arguing for a rehash of the games. @glacial widget @urban sparrow
There are dozens of written stories that we should have visualized from the books or other medias, all far superior to this show.
However, that is not even the half of it. This show flies in the face of those books and the games. Its a complete and utter disregard for the Characters and World that makes Halo Halo. They are treating Halo as if its some sort of art work, an appearance to be replicated over something else, a facade to some larger building. But Halo has always been far more than that. Its been far more than the gun slinging of the games. Before Halo CE was even released, Halo the Fall of Reach was released to promote it. There has never, ever been a time in Halo that Halo itself was devoid of a unique character unrivaled in the industry. From its narrative themes of Survival, Discovery, and Courage, to its believable and Human characters that explored different aspects of our Humanity, Halo has been a pinnacle of story telling.

This show has spat on all of it. It subverted Halo's core themes, it disregards everything that made characters great and cared for, and it asks its audience to forget everything that it beloved or stand aside for the masses who care little. It treats the Forerunner legacy as a destination to drive to, not a mystery to explore. It casts aside the Human-Covenant War as a footnote, not a gigantic struggle for Humanity's very survival. There are no stakes for our heroes, no losses that they must show courage in the face of. The show has none of it.
The largest thing they've destroyed was the Chief. They never let him loom large, stand courageously, or be the pinnacle of Humanity's determination before they rip his character to shreds and pieces with uncharacteristic emotional depravity and nonsensical doubt. They never show him as a hero before they toss him to the wolves of their writer's whims. They have him questioning was it worth it before doing anything at all.

urban sparrow
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yeah I'm not reading that lmao

glacial widget
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Neither

verbal fox
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Then go find your strawmen elsewhere

glacial widget
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I read 2 lines and realised he just slaty it’s not the games despite saying he’s not

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Wants chief to basically not be a character

verbal fox
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Chief has been a character, even in the games.

glacial widget
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Because he doesn’t understand that we are chief and when you are watching a tv show chief can’t be a vessel.

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He needs to be a character

verbal fox
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We aren't Chief in the games

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We never were

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John has always been his own character

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A school yard bully turned natural leader

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A punk kid turned team player

glacial widget
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Johns main character trait in the games and books is literally that he’s lucky hahaha

verbal fox
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Its not, you need to go back to reading

glacial widget
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One of his most iconic story’s is the coin toss story

verbal fox
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In the Fall of Reach, he has dozens of defining character moments

glacial widget
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Halsey LITERALLY Chose him because he was “lucky”

verbal fox
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From his first introduction to Blue Team, where he learns the world isn't all about him and that helping others is important

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To when he lost Sam, where he released that the next decades of his life would not be easy and he swore to fight the Covenant to the end in Sam's name

glacial widget
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Once of the most defining traits from the Games and the books is that chief isn’t any stronger faster smarter or courageous than any other Spartan and isn’t even a particularly good leader. He’s just unbelievably lucky

verbal fox
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Then why does the show decide to make him the Strongest and the Fastest and Bravest of all the Spartans?

glacial widget
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?

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It doesn’t

verbal fox
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Sounds like terrible Hollywood writing to me, making protagonist more and more and more special

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Its does, the first lines Cortana makes about the Chief

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Episode 3, she says "Above the rest in strength and stamina"

glacial widget
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No she literally just says he’s lucky in extra words

verbal fox
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Go back and watch the scene

glacial widget
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Ya above the rest in good instincts just means lucky mate

verbal fox
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That's not the point, the point is the show subverts what he was originally to make him better than all the spartans in every aspect

glacial widget
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Are you blind

verbal fox
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"Above the rest in strength and stamina"
That's not what it is in Halo

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In Halo 3, Cortana says, "like the others, you were strong, and swift, and brave. A natural leader."

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It may be subtle change to those aren't paying attention, but it has massive ramifications for those who know

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He was never as fast as Kelly, as strong as Sam, as great of a sniper as Linda, as good at close quarters as Fred, heck Kurt had better natural instincts and gut feeling. Looking at statistical spreadsheet, John would not stand out to you in his abilities.
So what made him special?
Many of course argue his luck. But how do you quantify luck?
Was it lucky of him to be kidnapped by ONI? Was it luck that caused him to become the leader of all the Spartans? Is it luck that he lost so many fellow Spartans on Reach?

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The show is trying quantify his luck by saying he was blessed by the Forerunners.
The canon quantifies his luck by his character and his decisions.

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Which makes for a better story?

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The one that's divided fans? Or the one that created one of the most popular icons in culture today?

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I've laid out my case, so if I see you come back in here attacking strawmen, the "people just want the games" argument or any of the strawmen supporters have attacked, I shall refer you back to here

smoky bone
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I feel like also he was an all rounder

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good at everything, top tier at nothing

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which made him able to go into many different combative situations

verbal fox
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Yeah, that was the point of his character. He wasn't all that special, but he figured out how to apply himself and his team in the best ways possible

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Don't curse, the bot doesn't like it

smoky bone
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weird i didnt

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anyway

verbal fox
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There are some other words they block, idk what

smoky bone
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the fact that the covenant has a human who is openly viewed as a reclaimer makes one of the main reasons for the human covenant war null and void and why the covenant didnt try to bring in humanity into the covenant

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I mean when the prophets learned that humans were relciamers they freaked out and if the whole covenant found out their religion wouldve fallen apart

grim bone
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Yup

little spindle
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Chief is an all rounder with a solid sense of leadership. His accomplishments alone should tell you that much.

viral holly
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True that.

glacial widget
urban sparrow
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yeah, chief has literal canon luck

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cortana directly mentions it in Halo 3 and halo 4

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and in the books

ornate ibex
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Honestly i love it

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Lucky ability, amazing

sharp gorge
upbeat crater
nocturne star
neon plover
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You can say Spider-Man now just fine.

calm pumice
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Hi

glacial widget
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If we go by the halo 4 lore and assume genesongs are a thing it’s perfectly reasonable to think that the forerunners only made certain lineages of humans reclaimers

robust marsh
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My thing is that a lot of these new ideas they are exploring can be done apart from the main storyline.

urban sparrow
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it's not a new concept that they made for the TV show

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not all humans are reclaimers, heck the entirety of Sprit of Fire were identified as non-reclaimers

amber egret
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so one thing I dont get about the show

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at the start kwan wants to get off "this stupid rock" yet 1 episode later she wants to go back?

plucky flame
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from wat i understood its mainly cuz she wants to avenger her father

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but her whole story arc pointless in my opinion

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everytime it cuts to her i lose interest

cosmic willow
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she never had an interest in madrigals political situation until her father and all her friends died and now she feels like she has to go help the other people from the tyrant guy

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obviously

alpine nexus
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Sending Kwan would clearly change the tide of battle

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No way they could stop a 14 year old kid

cosmic willow
frigid ether
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The music that plays at the end of Episode 1 sounds extremely familiar to me but I can't put my finger on where I recognise it from. Has anybody else expressed this same sentiment here?

cosmic willow
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Nah the only piece of music I recognised was the halo theme song when reth mentioned the Halo

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Pfundle been typing for a minute

robust marsh
# urban sparrow not all humans are reclaimers, heck the entirety of Sprit of Fire were identifie...

Are you talking about when the flood was aboard the Spirit of Fire. I seem to remember that playing a factor in that as there were safeguards to try and protect against flood tampering. Otherwise, there are more instances of characters using Forerunner tech simply by being human and thus a reclaimer. It wasnt until after the main series that we started to go down this "blessed one" path, but we have officially arrived and it doesn't play well. Part of the draw, to me, was that Chief was just at the right place and right time to make a difference. He even mentions in the books that any other Spartan would have done the same. But now, appearantly not, because they arent special 🤷🏻‍♂️ Its a plot device that isnt worth it.

cosmic willow
# robust marsh Are you talking about when the flood was aboard the Spirit of Fire. I seem to re...

I understand that I mean I hate when comics try to make it seem like spider man was destined to find his radioactive spider and it couldve been anyone, but makee having this conflict and realization that if she isnt the only blessed one the covenant would get rid of her and favour john which drives her to find him and go on a rampage, that makes the blessed ones "plot device" alot more interesting to me atleast

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along with other things

frigid ether
# robust marsh Are you talking about when the flood was aboard the Spirit of Fire. I seem to re...

The ancilla did detect a high level flood infestation aboard the Spirit of Fire, but it also referred to the human crew as an "unknown alien intrusion." It could have been done as a protocol to protect against the flood, but all things considered that feels like a stretch to me.
Aside from the Halo Wars example, there's also one from Halo 4: UNSC marines in Halo 4's Spartan Ops mission "The Hammer" were killed by their Sangheili captors because the forerunner artifact they were forced to interact with wasn't responding to them at all.

cosmic willow
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I assume by the end of the series we'll find out that the forerunners made a certain group of humans reclaimers instead of the enitre race

little anvil
frigid ether
urban sparrow
# robust marsh Are you talking about when the flood was aboard the Spirit of Fire. I seem to re...

As the UNSC Spirit of Fire was pulled inside of the Etran Harborage on February 23, 2531, the ship and her crew were scanned by the installation's decontamination network. In addition to detecting a high-order Flood infestation, the ancilla in charge of the network's cleansing rings failed to recognize the crew as Reclaimers. As the Spirit of Fire's crew and complement were regarded as an "unknown alien intrusion", they were forced to engage a bevy of Sentinels in addition to fighting the Flood on the surface of the ship.[15]

During the Onyx Conflict in October-November 2552, the SPARTAN-III Ash-G099 failed to provide the appropriate counter-response to a Sentinel after initially being recognized as a Reclaimer.[16] This caused the Sentinel to reclassify Ash as a "non-Reclaimer" and an "aboriginal subspecies" of humanity.[16]

During the Requiem Campaign, Jul 'Mdama's forces captured Hawk Squad and forced them to activate a Forerunner map of Requiem at "Lockup," but the structure failed to recognize them as Reclaimers.[17]

little anvil
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Halopedia to the rescue

robust marsh
# urban sparrow As the UNSC Spirit of Fire was pulled inside of the Etran Harborage on February ...

Ill have to look into the Spirit of Fire situation as i remember there being more to the situation. However, I dont think the excerpt from Ghosts of Onyx counts as they failed to give the correct response. It classified them as a sub species becuase of that, not genetics, otherwise they were accepted as reclaimers. If anything I'd argue that helps my point, that they were recognized as reclaimers and then removed after not meeting the criteria, which was basically to understand what was going on. In regards to the requiem scenario, sure, thats when they, 343i, decided to start taking this route which is basically what we are debating then 🤷🏻‍♂️ as it has lead to the show ultimately

robust marsh
upbeat crater
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This needle picking is is exactly how the SW community devolved into total chaos

hasty sedge
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There is nothing wrong with criticism

upbeat crater
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agreed but my fear is where's the line?

hasty sedge
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Doubt there is one when you look at any form of art

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Look at the DragonBall Fandom when they brought back future Trunks with blue hair, rather than his original purple, or the Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter movies compared to the books they were based off of

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Really the fact its set in an alternative timeline proves annoying, as that's its main defense. "X didn't happen here."
"Yeah, because it's a new universe." Its like it tries to shelter itself from any negative views

tawdry kestrel
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Even with geas like 99% of humans are capable of activating Foreunner stuff.

They're the majority, not the exception.

alpine nexus
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Alternate timeline stuff is stupid

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Why should I care about what's happening in the show if its not happening in the main timeline?

hasty sedge
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It can be done alright, for franchises that have existed for decades. Like DC and Marvel

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But they have been around for 60+ years

alpine nexus
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Marvel ties in its other timelines with the main timeline pretty frequently

hasty sedge
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Yep, it works there, with halo though, still a rather young franchise not so much

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The closest we have to alternate universes in Halo are three Precursors, as we don't even know if they originated in the universe. Or arrived from a different one

alpine nexus
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I guarantee the only reason they did the alternate timeline thing was because they needed Chief to be the main character so they could pull in more views

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Time travel is alluded to at the end of Infinite, you never know

hasty sedge
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They did it simply to tell their own story

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Its just a typical movie/show tactic

alpine nexus
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Would've preferred a story about a new character, or a less developed one.

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Mandalorian style

hasty sedge
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Could have worked maybe

tawdry kestrel
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Mando is a bad example given how bad it turns into dropping the story for cameo of the week in s2

acoustic notch
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They should of given it to a production company who would do the show justice at 10m per

robust marsh
# urban sparrow As the UNSC Spirit of Fire was pulled inside of the Etran Harborage on February ...

In addition to my first response: So here is where it doesn’t sit right. Looking at Contact harvest page.

“An Unggoy deacon, Dadab, is alarmed when the ship's Luminary seems to register thousands of Forerunner artifacts and an Oracle. “ Pertaining to Harvest. “When they (San'Shyuum/future prophets) input the discovery of Harvest and the Luminary's data, the Oracle—which is in fact a fragment of the Forerunner Contender-class AI Mendicant Bias—suddenly awakens from eons of dormancy and reveals that the Covenant has been misinterpreting their findings. What the Kig-Yar thought were artifacts were actually registering the presence of the humans on Harvest, which it claims are Reclaimers, and refers to them as his makers. The Minister of Fortitude concludes that these Reclaimers are living Forerunners and were left behind when the rest transcended.”

As we see here, there is direct conflict. The whole population was registered as reclaimers. Also, as for the Forerunner AI that transmitted to the Spirit of Fire, it wasn’t of the same class AI as Mendicant Bias. It was probably of the same (lower) caliber as what they ran into on Onyx which needed a password to have official access, despite being initially identified as a reclaimer.

Therefor, less indication of a “blessed one”, but this is all rather unnecessary as the show is a completely new timeline and they are going to do whatever they want. I just think it isn’t good and shouldn’t be defended as cannon for the original series.

dire prism
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@upbeat crater RWBY is the best

upbeat crater
dire prism
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I identify as Shopkeeper 😈

tawdry kestrel
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I still can't believe Salem is Jen Taylor too

glacial widget
glacial widget
tawdry kestrel
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Yeah the "monster of the week" doesn't really work with series like Star Wars

glacial widget
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Yip

glacial widget
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She’s not anything different she’s just a reclaimer

cosmic willow
# hasty sedge Really the fact its set in an alternative timeline proves annoying, as that's it...

Thats its only defence against fans who bring up the original source material as a form of criticism when its completely irrelevant or unconstructive. Things like the people saying "Master Chief is way to short compared to the game" people have literally watched the first episode and went on reddit and argued why the humans haven't noticed the covenant when its been 27 years which is the original time of the war when IN THE SHOW its been around 4 years. if most of the critics didnt bring up halo and actually had criticism for example some people were discussing that the writing in episode 1 wasnt good, thats actual constructive criticism. Its not like the show ignores halo either because there are video game references and comic book references outside of episode 1. Just let go of the games and accept the show for what it is an average 5.5 to 6/10 cuz its not amazing or anything

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Bruh the most popular form of criticism ive seen for the Master chief was that he isnt his usual optimistic stoic self compared to the Game's chief

hasty sedge
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Curious, as this is the first time I've seen that mentioned. Where was it stated that the war in the show had only been raging for only 4 years

cosmic willow
hasty sedge
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Where was that stated, as the first episode had the time stamp of 2552

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As for fans comparing it to the games, that's all we have and it should be expected. It happened with Harry Potter, it happened with Lord of the Rings

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Heck, likely even happened with Jurassic Park and its pre existing book

cosmic willow
cosmic willow
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and didnt tell an original story

serene echo
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Okay, Really.. if you have been reading the comic's and books from Halo those things in the series from paramount+ are accurate. it is the time when Cortana got created.. after Reach and before Combat Evolution. The series is Great and we finally get some background story 🙂 if your following it from the beginning (when it came out in 2001) the series is really a joy for your eyes and brain. and that it has no missions like the game, Yea ofc that is good now we get to see everything around that. 🙂

cosmic willow
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also you can criticize it with out comparing it to the games

hasty sedge
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@cosmic willow when Halsey was shown monitoring thr Spartans its mentioned the war has only been going on for a few years?

serene echo
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the Mplayer part of halo isnt Halo story line.

cosmic willow
cosmic willow
serene echo
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Go play reach get some background story of it to know whats going on 🙂

hasty sedge
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@cosmic willow it can't be 4 years, it has to have at least been 10+ as Makee exists

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I have found the acnes involving the Covenant enjoyable enough, though the show making the UNSC appear Stae Wars level of evil kinda silly

cosmic willow
serene echo
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yea

hasty sedge
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.....she is clearly a kid when found

serene echo
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use your brain

cosmic willow
hasty sedge
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What? Thats not what I am talking about, of course it did

cosmic willow
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that doesnt mean the war started when they got her

hasty sedge
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Wait you two have seen the newest episode right

serene echo
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yap

cosmic willow
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Yes

serene echo
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and loved it 🙂

hasty sedge
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Ok, just wanted to double check

cosmic willow
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we understand what youre saying

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but taking what doctor halsey said over what we can assume from the covenant abducting Makee

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makes more sense

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What I dont understand is what happened to that garbage planet Makee was on and if or why they didnt report the covenant's activities or if it got glassed or people didnt believe what they saw I mean it is a tier 2 planet after all mostlikely in the outer colonies

hasty sedge
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The fact a garbage planet even exists is weird, but the war has to have taken place for some time

placid frigate
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Ah its interesting. In my notes there was Covenant incursions in the Sector Madrigal is in around 2535. So its really interesting that the people there didnt have the biggest idea on them.

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(This is Silver timeline stuff from the website)

serene echo
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not getting good info and propaganda (what they show in the series really good)

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at episode 1

cosmic willow
hasty sedge
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I could do without all the interpersonal stuff it's going for, but that is what Paramount prefers I guess

serene echo
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people with lack of information and or disinformation can be ... yea you know what i mean right?

tawdry kestrel
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Harvest was glassed in show canon by 2540

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So no, the war isn't going on for four years

hasty sedge
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Again, the age difference for Makee shows its been going on for a long time

placid frigate
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This doesnt contain anything from the show itself.

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But does at least put Covenant vs Human stuff as far back as 2535 in the Silver timeline

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The source is this

hasty sedge
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Thank you CIA

placid frigate
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Cant wait to dig into the show properly and get the Silver Timeline "timeline" filled out lol

hasty sedge
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Would be nice

tawdry kestrel
modest ruin
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(This is a subtle joke on the canon of the show, don’t take it series)

robust marsh
# glacial widget Bud a blessed one is just what the covenant would call a reclaimer.

I think you missed my point. They are playing it up as though it is few and far between that have this ability to use the artifacts. That is in contrast to the lore as I was explaining. But still, as I said earlier, they will do what they want with the show under the safety of a new timeline. I think its a lesser narrative, but we can all have our opinions. I simply dont like people defending the "blessed one/Chosen one" plot device for the original cannon, as there really isnt suitable examples for doing so.

glacial widget
tawdry kestrel
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📸

glacial widget
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Humans were meant to take the mantel after the forerunners failed to protect life. And so they bestowed it upon humans but with how the end of the forerunners flood war ended it would make absolute sense that they would want just anybody to have access to the technology

glacial widget
glacial widget
urban sparrow
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because it's not Steve Downes

glacial widget
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Does*

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Steve was the voice actor but he’s like 60-70 years old

robust marsh
glacial widget
hasty sedge
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Like Reth being human?

robust marsh
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Look at it this way. Everything Bungie was related to in their time making Halo and the books supporting the games pointed to just about any human was a reclaimer if needed and therfor could access their tech. It was after 343i came onto the scene that we start getting the genesong idea which has lead to the shows alteration. Can we agree on that?

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Looking at it that way one can see that from Halo 4 on they took Halo in a different creative direction.

minor python
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Yeeeah. I mean humans were forerunners until Halo 4

robust marsh
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Yes, and I personally dont like that change 🤷🏻‍♂️

minor python
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Same. It doesn't add to the story really, it just forces everyone to retread the same plot points to establish the new lore

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For a new 'ubermensche' story, lmao

urban sparrow
minor python
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Yes it is

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Play Halo 1

urban sparrow
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no, the changeover happened during Halo 3 development during IRIS ARG for Halo 3

minor python
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This retcon via story happened when? After Bungie

urban sparrow
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nope

minor python
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Well then the stupid change happened earlier

urban sparrow
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Bungie made the change, not 343

minor python
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It's still a massive retcon

robust marsh
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Literally the excerpt I showed you from Contact Harvest has Mendicant Bias calling humans living Forerunners

urban sparrow
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I would recommend doing more research on it

minor python
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I wonder why Bungie made that change? Outside pressure, or a completely internal one?

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You know they were working on a Halo MMO. The forerunners for some reason were humans before it was cancelled

robust marsh
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I read all the books...research done

minor python
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I'm not sure if you're trying to dispute that aegis or if you're trying to point out when exactly the change happene

hasty sedge
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@robust marsh @minor python humans and Forerunners were made seperste species by Bungie via halo 3. They never came to a decision to make them one race or not, despite going the route of humans=forerunners in CE and halo 2

minor python
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That would mean it is a change

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And that it did happen in 3

hasty sedge
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More so they couldn't ever decide what they wanted

urban sparrow
minor python
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Fair nuff'

hasty sedge
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Despite halo 3, the book Contact Harvest, released only months later by Staten, still maintained the idea humans were Forerunners

urban sparrow
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Bungie just had trouble making up their minds what they wanted and went back and forth

minor python
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It's very difficult for me not to call it a change, especially in the first game they establish you as forerunner

hasty sedge
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343 simply went with the middle ground, separate species from a common ancestor race

robust marsh
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So if i play Halo 3 tonight where should i look for the change?

urban sparrow
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I said during Halo 3s development not directly in the game itself

minor python
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Writing was done later to alter this piece of information. I will agree that is simply word of mouth by a very not happy ai and not technically real evidence.

urban sparrow
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Bungie contradicted themselves many times regarding this

hasty sedge
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@robust marsh the terminals where the librarian find primitive humans on earth is your best choice for in game.

urban sparrow
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and check out Cradle of Life

hasty sedge
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Yeah, shame they never nailed it down themselves

robust marsh
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Even with Forerunners being a different race,that wouldn't upend the fact that pretty much any human was regarded as reclaimer and meant to fill the shoes of the forerunners. Yeah, they contradicted themselves

urban sparrow
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just bungo being bungo

hasty sedge
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The fan made AU, Daybreak, tackles the idea well enough, with the forerunner humans being removed from earth eons ago, and thus in that light making the librarian's statement sound more accurate

glacial widget
hasty sedge
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It is dumb, even if it's clearly done for budget

neon plover
glacial widget
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Are reclaimers actually mentioned in Halo CE

urban sparrow
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from humans being literal forerunners to not being literal forerunners

glacial widget
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It was the right change

urban sparrow
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agreed

robust marsh
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I can agree on that

glacial widget
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I like the story of the san shaium and humans fighting against the forerunners and it just turning out they were rubbing from the flood

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Only for the San shaium to find their ancient enemy’s tech and start worshiping then as gods

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And purging their ally’s

hasty sedge
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While I like humans not being forerunners, it does raise one problem. No reason for the reclaimer status outside the librarian saying so, and apparently the Precursors before her

minor python
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Honestly I think it was done as a more... How do i put it? The natural step forward was for the UNSC to start reigning in human factions in their territory that may of aligned with aliens as well

glacial widget
hasty sedge
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I do wonder if the human-forerunner relationship will be tackled in the show

minor python
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If they'd continue that natural story, we'd be shooting humans in game

hasty sedge
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@glacial widget only the librarian, and her life workers, agreed to that.

glacial widget
minor python
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I'm cool with it, but from a sales point of view and those not watching lore as closely....

hasty sedge
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What?..

minor python
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Check out the Kilo 5 books. And the aftermath of what happens after wars

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The show does bring out one aspect I like

glacial widget
minor python
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Humanity is not and was nevery really united

serene echo
robust marsh
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nvm

minor python
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I honestly wanted to be fighting factions that had humans in them. Or pure human factions post halo 3

hasty sedge
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@glacial widget nope, the forerunner rebellion against their precursor creators happend 10 million years ago. By the "modern era" of the Forerunners, they truly thought the Precursoes had simply moved on. Only a few, like the librarian, the Ur Didact, and the Iso Didact, knew the truth

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Eh the Banished have humans in them

glacial widget
robust marsh
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Yeah, it took a minute but i realized what you were talking about

glacial widget
urban sparrow
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and they basically had to hide them otherwise Escharum or Atriox would have been big mad

hasty sedge
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There was no Banished chapter that believed in the Journey, that was another faction that allied themselves with the Banished, the Keepers of the One Freedom

glacial widget
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Well the banished is just a collective of mercenary’s and war bands so technically most of the banished were just factiones that allied with attriox

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Who I hope we get to see eventually

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Great villain

minor python
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I would of loved to fight human Banished

robust marsh
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You REALLY want to kill humans

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lol

minor python
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As part of story? Hell yeah, there's no reason not to at this point

glacial widget
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I’m sad we weren’t fighting atrox in infinite

minor python
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I wanted a full fight humans in Halo 2

glacial widget
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Even tho I understand why we weren’t

minor python
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it made sense

glacial widget
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No it doesn’t?

minor python
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It didn't make sense to fight humans as the arbiter in Halo 2?

glacial widget
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No. He is never in a situation to fight humans

robust marsh
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I bet we were meant to fight him at some point, but the production for infinite was all over the place

minor python
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The only story reason you don't is that they weren't physically in range for you to do so

glacial widget
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That esherma who is just a zealot

robust marsh
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Yeah, I can see that. I expected him to be more involved in infinite at least

glacial widget
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Like why was he hiding that he was alive

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Esheram was all sad

robust marsh
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That way he is solidified as a big bad outside the Halo Wars game

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yeah

robust marsh
minor python
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Oh man

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That'd be freaking epic

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Watch your team get whittled down to a fine killing machine when you start figuring it out

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if you figure it out

robust marsh
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Every level would be you retreating to some various degree with the objective of surviving

minor python
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I wouldn't go every level, lol

robust marsh
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haha, its an idea

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kind of a horror game of sorts

minor python
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But most people like their power fantasy, not working for the kill. Though Elden Ring has been a pleasant upset 🤔

neon plover
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A wild Ad has appeared!

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robust marsh
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Use ultra ball

minor python
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I just want more smaller stories. ODST stuff. I'm older, lets see less super hero, more slug matches

hasty sedge
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Or just some good combat against the Covenant via an invasion

robust marsh
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Thats why I have been playing Firefight lately!

minor python
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You know what would be awesome. Do a game or a series where you play as a marine. Survive long enough in the war, you volunteer in the spartan 4 program

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Make you EARN that Spartan title

robust marsh
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Thats a cool idea. Kind of like Buck from ODST

minor python
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Ye

robust marsh
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But we get to be with the character from day 1

minor python
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Exactly

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Let the spartans be what they are. A freaking force of nature. Mysterious. Fight you way to join the ranks

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A lot of people look at 4's like oh god, the new guys

urban sparrow
minor python
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It'd probably be more stealth action. Observation, sabotage, ambushes, marksmanship

robust marsh
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Eventually you will learn and become a better fighter. Ever played XCOM?

minor python
robust marsh
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lol, id get it done if i had the ability

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Im busy trying to get another project off the ground

robust marsh
minor python
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I think it'd be interesting to pull off. Probably increase the engagement ranges to balance things out a bit. Go the tactical route instead of the arena shooter gameplay

robust marsh
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Yeah, having different scenarios available for gameplay based upon what type of soldier you are would help. Being a marine could be open warfare and then you get into tactical insertions as you become a seasoned warrior

minor python
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I'd do things like increase sprint duration, tighten up recoil/shotspread as you get more seasoned.

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When you hit spartan in the story, you just. Have that laser aim, run forever, beat the crap out of the baddies. Make you feel like your earned it though

robust marsh
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Dang it! I need to apply to 343 now and get this done

zenith herald
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what do you guys think of the show so far? i just watched it

minor python
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Mixed feelings among the whole community

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Lot of people are really enjoying, lot of people are annoyed by the lore differences

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Some just think the story is bad. All agree that generally speaking the actions scenes are 8/10 by my guessing

zenith herald
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i actually kinda like it cant wait for episode 4 tbh

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show wise at the end of 3 i can tell Cortana is developing a little crush

foggy basin
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Haven't seen the show, is it worth watching?

zenith herald
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depends i guess

foggy basin
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I'm a huge halol fan going back to Halo 1, even extended universe

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i hear its not canon, so my knee jerk reaction is.. why should I care about the show? televised fanfic?

minor python
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Watch the first episode, decide from there

foggy basin
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I heard it was free on YT and now the video is privated

zenith herald
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the actors are top notch just two of them are totally different from the games

minor python
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I feel like it's prime time tv. Boring writing, pointless drama

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Weighty action to turn your brain off too

zenith herald
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but we can all agree that Cortana is looking fiiiine tho

minor python
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I think I liked Soren's wife better, lmao

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Honestly I'd rather watch a show about him xD

zenith herald
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ngl his wife looked like she was pulled out of the 50s at least

minor python
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fine is fine

zenith herald
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but Cortana man! lol

minor python
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Eeeeeeeeh man. I never looked at Cortana that way

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She's an AI. Never cared for the story turning her into 'Chief's girlfriend'

zenith herald
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you know im sensing a lot of similarlys between Spartan and the Clones from Star Wars

minor python
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I mean probably. Given how they were raised

zenith herald
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and the chips they have as well

minor python
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Just uh... Much better, even without the augments. More experience, education and everything

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Chips?

zenith herald
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the what makes them kill

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the implants

minor python
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I guess with the show yeah, they're brain washed. The regular lore? Nah. That's /all/ them

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In regular lore, they're not brainwashed

zenith herald
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ah yeah got them mixed up lol

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from lore wise Chief was the only one that housed the AI right?

minor python
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Depends

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Naomi had BB at times. Black Box

zenith herald
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what i mean was no other after him housed a AI of Cortana level

minor python
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Black Box was of 'her level.' Though that's a pretty vague thing to judge

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BB is ONI's AI.

zenith herald
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i like how when Cortana tried to introduce herself and both linda and kat where both like who is this B***h

minor python
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never played 5, so I dunno

zenith herald
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talking about the show

minor python
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Ah. I gave up after 10 minutes of the third episode

zenith herald
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lol fair enough

boreal helm
modern plover
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When does episode 4 come out?

hasty sedge
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Thursday

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minor python
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Will have to give it a look

crude moat
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I have an Android box so I'll probably have to wait a few days before I can actually watch it :cri:

robust marsh
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I guess the "survive" part is like the last level in Reach, but that wasn't where i was going with that

rotund hamlet
robust marsh
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lol, and then the rebel player scurries off like a grunt?

tawdry kestrel
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Nah he commits a war crime
You know usual Innie MO

robust marsh
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Haha, what war crime do you have in mind? 🤣

rigid notch
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can someone help me so in steam the halo master chief collection is on sale but i dont want to buy the whole collection so it says that i the games alone fetured in the collection are also on sale but it says that they are dlc so can i buy the single game even thou it says its dlc sorry for the bat grammar my english is not that good

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thanks also i want to ask wich is the best halo 4 ,halo 3 or halo 3odst

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in ur opinion since they are the only ones i havent played and i am not sure with wichone to start

ocean aurora
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Kills me seeing new fans introduced via the show get into confused arguments about what Halo's world is about. Even seeing game fans argue with book fans over stuff like mind wipes and emotion pellets being pulled from the lore. Just when we were patching up "Bungie Halo vs 343i Halo," we've got this new Core!Halo and Silver!Halo split in the community.

timid ether
ocean aurora
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I've seen a lot of back-and-forth between show fans and core fans over stuff like which portrayal of the UNSC is "better." I've seen show fans assume that, because Halo's an FPS, the Spartans and marines are nothing more than some mindless Starship Troopers blasting aliens as a nasty analogy for killing foreigners, and it's good they're getting shown as the baddies. While lore fans say that "the UNSC/ONI is evil" is being laid on a little too thick with no nuance.

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And again, I'm seeing confusion sprout up between game and lore fans about whether Spartans and the Master Chief are mindless, emotionally numb drones.

livid furnace
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If someone isn't willing to look at both sides of an interpretation then it's bad news

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UNSC is nuanced.

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Just like any faction.

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Jackals were willing to work with Humans in the Rubble

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Despite being perfectly willing to X put Humans given enough zeroes

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It's easy to pick on the UNSC because they're Humans.

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Could say the same for the aliens but it's clear that the Umies are the targets in this case.

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Last few years gave been spent showing the Covenant has having very honorable factions that wouldn't mind a bit of cooperation with us.

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The aliens got humanized while the other side is getting their humanity taken away.

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Deconstruction is a very popular thing nowadays.

ocean aurora
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Exactly. I've seen new fans introduced via the show assume that Halo had none of that nuance before. But the show's depiction of the UNSC being basically the Empire/cartoonishly evil and the core canon's approach to the UNSC's questionable ethics/authoritarianism are so separate that when trying to discuss it with show fans, you're basically on two different wavelengths.

livid furnace
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I find it as a symptom of modern storytelling.

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If they don't play the games or read a book on it it's on them, but it's clear now we are going to have a fundamental split between fanbases.

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If people who jump on the show stick.

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Look, I'm one to talk about alternate interpretations of characters but this is a billion dollar franchise

verbal fox
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A very dangerous split, to the point the show fans are perversions and dangers, regardless of their intentions.
Its like trying to explain physics to someone who believes magic is real

livid furnace
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Well let's also step back. This is a fictional story with a fictional green giant.

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Let's not overinvest.

verbal fox
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Way too late for me on that

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Its total commitment

livid furnace
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Just be careful then. I'm a fairly hard-core fan myself, did art, fics, you name it.

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Halo ain't a lifestyle for me.

verbal fox
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Not a lifestyle? Boy, I have a report due in 20 minutes to Admiral Osman regarding the dangerous impacts of Insurrection Propaganda within the film industry

urban sparrow
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is perversion your favorite word?

livid furnace
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Generation Kill flashbacks yet again.

verbal fox
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Perversion is the perfect word for the situation, along with subversion, falsification, distortion, corruption, misuse, deviation, depravity, aberration, misrepresentation, debauchery, and, another favorite, travesty.

grim bone
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Mockery, imitation

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HERESY

timid ether
# verbal fox Perversion is the perfect word for the situation, along with subversion, falsifi...

I don't know where liking the show and then asking about the halo franchise can be a bad thing. It just invites more people to the things we love... "Halo".
If you don't want to explain halo to people who just discovered it then don't. But don't exclude them. That's just unnecessary gatekeeping. And people like you cry since player numbers are low but don't want new people join?!
The show isn't Splitting the community, it's people like you.
Invite new people to the franchise we love for 20 years and be happy that there are new ways people can experience halo instead of this hate.

tawdry kestrel
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Innie propaganda?

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You mean what, they handling out coloring books?

verbal fox
# timid ether I don't know where liking the show and then asking about the halo franchise can ...

I haven't been crying about player numbers, Halo has always been more about the story than the number of people playing multiplayer games, but I digress.

I do not believe in keeping people out of the community, but I vehemently oppose introducing them to Halo with lies and false media. This would be like teaching people about World War 1 from the prespective of the Germans: that they were wronged by the allies, their army was largely victorious but their people gave up, or any of the other pro-German perspective myths. People who legitimately learned about it neutrally now seldom have any productive conversations with these people who know nothing but the pro-German perspective. This is true with so many other topics out there, but to avoid starting a political/social debate I will refrain from addressing them, but we all know its there.
By creating a new timeline and new narrative, you've divided the fan base and set up a whole new world that new people will come into and have little to no similarities with the current fans.

Here, let me give you an actual debate I had with a friend of mine the other day...

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So, I had a friend call me up, never played or known about Halo all his life, but he knew I loved Halo and was big into. So he'd started watching the show and he asks me, about somethings, and we eventually get to him asking, "why are the UNSC so evil?"
I, of course, say they aren't and try to explain to him why they aren't and the moral grey that exists in lore, etc etc etc... but at the end of the conversation he doesn't understand. He still said they felt more evil than the Galactic Empire from Star Wars.

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He still thought the Galactic Empire, the very faction in Star Wars inspired by the Nazis, were nicer than the UNSC...

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Granted, he only watched Star Wars movies themselves and the shows, but it was ridiculous.
His foundational belief was fixated on that the UNSC was evil, and now I have no ability to change that.
All these new fans with distorted foundational knowledge of Halo are gonna be unwilling and unaccepting of challenges to this new knowledge.
Still don't think its true? Look to all the fans who hate the show just because it is a new perspective.

crisp hound
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@tidal pine why you put dinosaur emote on every twitter post

urban sparrow
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ocean aurora
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Think of it the other way, too. "YA novel Chosen One mind-surpressed protagonist learns to think and feel" has never really been my cup of tea. So imagine if someone who would otherwise LOVE the world of Halo watches this show as their first introduction to it and decides Halo's just not for them?

urban sparrow
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so imagine if someone who might watch this show and be like oh cool, I like the universe with their cool ships and alien race and advanced super soldiers and decides Halo is for them and starts playing the game and still enjoys it anyway even though it's different than the show 😱

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weird to imagine I know

dreamy stirrup
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Don’t tell me to imagine

urban sparrow
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you better imagine, right now!

timid ether
verbal fox
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I literally gave you an example of someone who watched the show and cared little for the rest of Halo

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How many people you know, after watching the MCU, started buying comics?

urban sparrow
tawdry kestrel
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My friend watched the show and then played the games, said they're nothing alike really

verbal fox
timid ether
urban sparrow
ocean aurora
timid ether
verbal fox
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Then do Marvel Comics vs MCU

urban sparrow
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my dad for example has never played or had any interest in Halo but he has watched every single episode so far and loves it and calls me every thursday to talk about it.

verbal fox
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How many people start buying comics because of the MCU?

urban sparrow
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so going by the one person example, our arguments are tied right now

timid ether
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urban sparrow
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he has asked me about the books. I already told him it's not canon and he's perfectly fine with that

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he likes the universe

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I'll probably start him with Fall of Reach more than likely

timid ether
urban sparrow
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without the show he would have had no interest in it. He hasn't had any interest in it for 20 years.

verbal fox
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Well then fair enough that's one, but that's one person whose already had a family connection, and I don't dispute that

urban sparrow
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my point is you can make arguments for both sides and neither of the sides will ever have the numbers to back up either claims

ocean aurora
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Point is, whether it brings people into Halo or turns them away, why is it even trying to be two different franchises to begin with. Silver and Core.

urban sparrow
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simply put, because they wanted to

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sure, they could have made a strictly canon show, but they didn't want to.

ocean aurora
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And in doing so created another split in the community.

verbal fox
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Who is they?

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That is the more important question

urban sparrow
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343/paramount whoever

timid ether
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Probably more Paramount

verbal fox
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Here, I found something about the Marvel comics to MCU

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timid ether
verbal fox
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There is a link in there to some reporter's personal analytics regarding a page he ran, regarding how to get started with the Marvel comics, and there were spikes whenever a Marvel Movie came out, however it was only up to at most 2000 visitors to his article. While this is such a small sample size, and it does show that it indeed goes up with releases of MCU films, the question is is that number statistically significant?

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Given that a single Marvel movie will have millions of views, 2000 itself is not significant

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verbal fox
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But you'd have to assume not everyone is gonna use his site, so its a crapshoot but...

gaunt harbor
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And it’s just visitors to his article, there’s doubtlessly other articles and guides

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I didn’t use an article when I got started

verbal fox
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Well yeah, I just pointed that out

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Let's assume for every Marvel Movie that comes out, 100,000 people start getting into the comics. Is that a statistically significant amount in comparison to the millions that watch the MCU?

gaunt harbor
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It’s decent

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If that’s 100k a movie that’s quite good

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Not every halo game gets people interested in the lore

verbal fox
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I am struggling to find the actual numbers for views, but for argument sake we will take the 289 Million views one of the trailers had and say that was first 24 hour viewership for Avenger movies.

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Any disagreement on that number?

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That's roughly 0.03% of the viewers of the movie actually buying the comics.

timid ether
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I don't think you get the point. If it just gets 10 people to read the comics is a win. Not every halo game got people to buy the novels. But some did and that's a win. And even if just 10 people come from the show to enjoy the games or novels that's also a win. It's getting people to enjoy things. It doesn't matter if it's 10 or 10k. The point of "but x million watched it and only x% did so it's not worth taking about" does not matter

gaunt harbor
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I agre

verbal fox
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The first episode on youtube for the series was roughly 500,000 people.
That's only 150 people who actually get into the Halo we know

gaunt harbor
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People also watched it on paramount plus

verbal fox
gaunt harbor
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Me too

timid ether
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That's cool. Nice book

gaunt harbor
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I got the Flood for free from a library and liked it

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Then I played it at a friends house and was interested more

timid ether
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But i heard the audio books, never was into reading

gaunt harbor
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The brutality of the kills from chief

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In the first scene

sudden sun
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So.... they showed us what Master Chief's butt looks like?

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They jumped the gun that hard?

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And they renewed the show?

robust marsh
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Such a good and scary depiction

sudden sun
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Is Paramount allergic to actually having good shows? First they ruin Star Trek now they do the same to Halo?

urban sparrow
robust marsh
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Oh yeah! It was super creepy and hellish understanding how it basically leaches your memories and you cant do anything about it 😬

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Ugh, now i want to read it again

rotund hamlet
sudden sun
urban sparrow
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I'm not?

sudden sun
urban sparrow
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thanks

sudden sun
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I mean its astronomically low.

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Like the only thing worse than Picard is Discovery.

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And Star Trek Discovery is putridly terrible

urban sparrow
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I like discovery too lmao

rotund hamlet
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Star Trek Disease

neon plover
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Ciudad de México sure is full of ads

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I saw a bus covered with the bottom left ad, but didn't get enough time to take a picture

sudden sun
timid ether
sudden sun
# timid ether He just has a different opinion. But i agree. Discovery...i like aswell. Does ...

Its just terrible. I mean it isn't a smart show, it isn't a fun show, the main character is terrible, they retconned everything in the lore, and the plots are beyond mediocre. I just don't understand how anyone can actually like it, especially if you've seen any older Star Trek, and I wasn't ever a Star Trek fan to begin with and even I knew the greater significance of the show and the stories that were told

timid ether
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Tbf. Only Picard is supposed to be Mainline canon. While disco is not

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But Picard changes way to much for me to like it

sudden sun
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Picard was terrible, and everything I've heard, Discovery is canon.

dull latch
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The Axolotl on a ghost appears

sudden sun
timid ether
sudden sun
timid ether
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Mikey Spock? What

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You good?

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And the best start trek series is Voy

sudden sun
timid ether
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Ok

sudden sun
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I find a man with a helmet in the center of the Earth to be more entertaining

little spindle
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Interesting

robust marsh
sudden sun
little anvil
dull latch
little anvil
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Excellent.

knotty tendon
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Naked Pablo Schreiber got me actin’ unwise 🥵🥵🥵

tawdry kestrel
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What y’all doin at 2 am

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💀

indigo loom
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7:40 am

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