#halo-the-series-chat

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grim bone
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lol ok. Guess that’s a crazy thing to ask for.

glacial widget
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This has nothing to do with 343 and I loved infinites campaign

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So much better than 5’s

spice summit
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How hard is it to stick to source material for the most part?

sand gale
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Gimme spoilers I want all the spoilers

grim bone
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I would prefer watching Nightfall over this current show.

spice summit
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Forward unto Dawn was considered Canon IIRC

grim bone
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grim bone
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Yeah but at least they go with the story.

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The only thing about Nightfall was just things in it looked so awful

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grim bone
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It may sound cringe but I liked Nightfall more than Forward Into Dawn lol. Regardless I’d watch both of them over this show lol.

spice summit
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I mean if you liked it, thats alright. I can see that

grim bone
spice summit
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My favorites were odst & landfall, FoD after that

grim bone
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A human joining the covenant? That would NEVER happen in real halo.

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grim bone
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In fact, there’s a whole book that gets into the prophets hiding the fact that the humans are reclaimers. It would make no sense to bring them into the covenant. Except that this one in the show is the fake covenant, so that’s why it suddenly makes sense??

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spice summit
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Can’t wait for them to start promoting “Halo TV Series live service” soon /s

grim bone
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Well that’s just one thing. I could go on and on about all the unneeded crap they’ve changed.

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Why the hell is Reth who is supposed to be a kig yar suddenly human?

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I could go on and on

spice summit
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There is just too much errors piled up to make me enjoy this show. Its more of a comic relief for me and my friends when we are watching a new episode

spice summit
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That’s all I can think of

grim bone
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10m per episode and they couldn’t do kig yar reth🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

spice summit
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What are the odds that Makee is the replacement for the Arbiter because of budget cuts? Just putting that thought out there

grim bone
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vannak is basically the new Spartan locke. They’re trying to make him into the new “badass” Spartan 😂😂

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Must be why they are trashing Chief

spice summit
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Well Vannak actually sounds like a badass, unlike locke

glacial widget
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Are there any Jakels Hunters grunts or brutes in the show

grim bone
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meh same situation as locke though

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i won’t give him a pass for sounding badass

glacial widget
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Also I thought mercy looked and sounded absolutely amazing

grim bone
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With 10m per episode they should’ve just did the show in blur cinematics

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grim bone
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Or just given us blur cinematics for Halo 3

glacial widget
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Locke was a awful character but he sounded awesome

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I haven’t read the novels tho so He could be awesome

grim bone
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I didn’t mind the concept of Locke but they tried using him to replace Chief so I didn’t like him

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he’s only in like one book

glacial widget
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Ya no one liked that I don’t play halo to play as locke I play halo to be Chief

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To orphan many many covenant children

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Or banished children

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Pretty much any non human children. Praise the god emperor. Purge the Xenos

spice summit
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Locke seemed interesting during the entire #huntthetruth promotions, but then Halo 5 came and it all went downhill

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He’s a great character as an ONI spook, not so much as a spartan

glacial widget
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Also one more thing the music is really good

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As good as it can be without being from Marty

spice summit
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Its a decent replacement. Can agree to an extend

glacial widget
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Omfg Jessica Hyde from utopia is in this

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Best show ever

agile zenith
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Despite her upbringing, Kwan ,in theory, checks off some of , if not most of, the boxes for the requirements to be a Spartan 3.

(Wasn't sure how to word this properly)

glacial widget
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Omg non helmet elite looks amazing

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Prophets all look and sound amazing

spice summit
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I find Kwan pretty much the same as LJ from Snowpiercer. A sickening character to watch

glacial widget
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What?

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Sorry WHAT?

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LJ cuts guys junk off for fun what you taking about

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You realise kwan is a stand in for us

grim bone
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Meh

glacial widget
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Why can’t the covenant girl be Thel 'Vadam

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That is really really poor planning

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grim bone
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it isnt poor planning, they did it on purpose. Just like they changed everything else that they didn’t have to on purpose.

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grim bone
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Well I guess it is in part poor planning because if they planned with actual halo fans it would’ve probably been better

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spice summit
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No I meant LJ in S3 finale

glacial widget
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Ya

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Since when has she done that? That but really really confused me

spice summit
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Finally a fresh start of S4 tbh lol

glacial widget
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Not gonna lie the way the got rid of Wilford was super week

spice summit
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The eye suckling? All around the show. That eye was her father’s spare because she bit out the original one

spice summit
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Also, Clark Gregg is in the cast for the next season

glacial widget
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Also Melanie was right and they have all put of the survivors at risk because they were unwilling to wait for more evidence.

spice summit
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I am really looking forward to it

glacial widget
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-10 at the crack of dawn. They are all dead

spice summit
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They got me hooked throughout all seasons

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First season took some time to adjust to out of all 3 of them I think

glacial widget
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Ya I mean I have just never been in laytons side about anything because the actor is not very good and the character is a bloodthirsty maniac

spice summit
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Oh agreed 100% on that one, haha

glacial widget
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So every season I see the good guys lose

spice summit
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The whole tail thing was tough to "like" in S1

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Melanie is probably one of my favorite characters throughout the show

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Got to appreciate Ruth's character a lot as well

glacial widget
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I watch it cuz Melanie is such a fantastic and Completing character so I did not enjoy the end of season two even tho I did predict she would come back

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Melanie and Wilford both such good characters

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Tho they have watered down Wilford character a lot

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He was so fantastic in the first half of season 2

spice summit
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He was an imposing character, but he did go through a good bit of "isolation" throughout S3

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Lot of cat and mouse games

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And I was happy to see Melanie's return

glacial widget
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Na at the beginning of season two he had this fantastic god complex where his followers were willing to die for him. In the second half of season two he became a more standard bad guy

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Tho to the end I love Sean bean forever

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I was so happy when him and Melanie were gonna work together. I love when main characters are willing to reach into the gray to do what is morally right. Just like silco in arcane

subtle magnet
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What's the difference between this channel and the spoiler chat?

glacial widget
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Nothing. i don’t think anyone cares that much

open herald
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Os master chief perhaps Jesus?

glacial widget
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Now do we think we will see the destruction of reach

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And the fact that the humans literally almost became extinct

open herald
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What if They blow a hole through reach thus turning it in to a halo

glacial widget
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Hahaha

open herald
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This could be huge

glacial widget
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At the end of the day the great journey was their ultimate goal and they were willing to do anything or achieve it

grim bone
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It really doesn’t. Humanity was marked as an affront to the gods of the covenant.

glacial widget
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Yes but they still kept Keyes alive to activate the ark

grim bone
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You wouldn’t indoctrinate someone who was an insult to your gods. At least in halo or the real covenant they wouldn’t have.

glacial widget
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Instead of just killing her

grim bone
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Yeah?? But Truth was going to kill them after he got what he wanted

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He didn’t find a human and straight up ally with them lol

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It doesn’t matter any way you try to excuse it because you won’t convince me

glacial widget
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Void you are seriously just trying to make up for a bit of bad writing from bungie mate

grim bone
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The covenant isn’t supposed to have humans in it. That’s just how it is.

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Uh..I would argue you’re trying to make up for the bad writing of this show lol

glacial widget
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They don’t they have just one who is a reclaimer

grim bone
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So potato tomato 😂😂

acoustic notch
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Who feels like for the types of scenes they use the episodes are too short

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They need like 2 hour episodes

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With the route they went

glacial widget
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So movies essentially

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They need movie length episodes

acoustic notch
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Na there are shows with 2+ hours per

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And yeah for the route they went they do

glacial widget
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Where?

timid ether
acoustic notch
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I think Microsoft should sell halo to a company that'll do it justice

glacial widget
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?

wary sand
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Kinda glad the series doesn't follow the lore of halo because the halo lore kinda sucks

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Not in the sense that it's bad, but in the sense that theres too much of it required

subtle magnet
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Maybe the story and writing and syncing up with direction/shooting and deadlines is hard, but there's no excuse for not implementing filmy scenes, and there's absolutely 110% no excuse for not exploiting the amazing musical score to halo's full dramatic glory.

alpine nexus
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I don't think they had the rights to Halo's music

urban sparrow
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then explain the Halo theme being used

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urban sparrow
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it was used multiple times, don't know how I would link you

alpine nexus
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IDK then. There is no excuse for them not using the music

urban sparrow
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I just timestamped it

alpine nexus
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And I just watched it and responded

urban sparrow
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I think the music is fine, sounds pretty Halo to me. Just because it's not the same exact notes we've heard over and over and over for 20 years doesn't mean its bad.

subtle magnet
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Katherine "I always look excited" Halsey

azure sky
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Trash Son!

open herald
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Yall think they’re gonna win the war when they find halo?

keen egret
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but its funny

slow bridge
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Shows going so well they are now offering first episode for free on YouTube and Amazon. I'm actually impressed how bad this thing is...its like watching a cheap cw show at this point.

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slim flicker
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I think they did great with the look of the armor and the pelicans but I’m not sure about everything else lol The fact that it’s not canon makes it ok if its like a cw show

slow bridge
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It is a cw show 😀

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I heard the comment "diet starwars" 🤣

slim flicker
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I’m hoping it’ll get better eventually tho lol cause there’s a show called the expanse that was like a cw or sci-fi show but in later seasons it got better and looked better

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I also don’t see chief as chief which helps I’m just going to pretend he’s another Spartan

slow bridge
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I hope the expanse crew takes over the show

slim flicker
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Then it’d be a Amazon show tho lol

slow bridge
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I do understand that Hollywood has a drought of good writers

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Amazon really screwed up wheel of time. The cgi in that is about as good as this show

slim flicker
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This had some good cgi though but it wasn’t much

slow bridge
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Halo landfall looked better than this

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I agree and that was what is frustrating some clips are so good looking then they forget to paint a plasma pistol Spartans moving look horrid etc

slim flicker
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The pelican flying through the rubble was awesome

slow bridge
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Miranda Keyes is unbelievably incompetent in show, but in halo 2 she was an absolute boss

slim flicker
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Lol everyone just pushes her to the side

slow bridge
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I stopped after episode 1

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And where is Avery Johnson!?

slim flicker
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Hopefully he shows up

slow bridge
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Hope they don't do him dirty like everyone else

slim flicker
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But tbh I just need something to watch I don’t care if the show is bad or just ok

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slow bridge
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Prophets did look good, but scene was ruined with the blessed one

slim flicker
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It sorta just made me curious how they’re going to change the story for this

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I’m intrigued to see where it goes

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Even though when I watch it I point out all of the inconsistencies to my friends I’m watching with

slow bridge
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Story and dif timeline wouldn't be issue if they made it different from that of a cw show

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Cheif needs to stop talking and keep his helmet on!

slim flicker
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U mind if I talk about episode 2 since u stopped at 1?

slow bridge
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Cheif does his talking with a gun

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Go for it

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I know the spoilers

slim flicker
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So it’s even stupider now

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slow bridge
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Haha can't use gifs here

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Rip

slow bridge
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Was an eye roll one

livid furnace
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Unless there was a legitimate reason I missed.

slim flicker
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Lol Soren is like you can’t wear shoes in my house u need to leave them by the door 😂😂

livid furnace
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Then space drughs

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livid furnace
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We get it, you vape.

slim flicker
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There’s no way Soren would be that chill and have a family

verbal fox
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To me it feels even worse. It feels like a betrayal of Sam and other Spartans that died fighting the Covenant. Supporters will scream and shout that it's an alternate timeline, but then what's the point? Fans love these characters because of who they are and what they mean to us, and by erasing who they are to make something new... it strips us of what we love.

slow bridge
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Just rewatched episode 1 with my kids and they trashed the show worse than me

livid furnace
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Soren has a pretty nice house when everyone else lives in squalor

slow bridge
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And they are usually positve

livid furnace
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Someone brought this up and it got me thinking: was the plan always supposed to be going to the Rubble?

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How did John know Soren was there

slim flicker
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Don’t get me started on the lunch boxes they zip line on 😂😂

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livid furnace
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When I saw the cable went out into space I thought

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"Hey that door isn't sealed. That door isn't sealed. That door--"

slim flicker
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The rubble was from people fleeing madrigal

livid furnace
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Yeah. Something felt off about the Rubble but I could t put my finger on it

verbal fox
livid furnace
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So I found my copy of Cole Protocol

slim flicker
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Also that fact that they turned reth into a human

livid furnace
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The book was obviously read

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But the details seemed to have been consciously changed

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No Pete Bonifacio

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No Nacho

slow bridge
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I did hear that 343 has people being paid just to interact with fans via discord

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livid furnace
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No Eddie

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The little things ghat made the Rubble seem a little interesting

slim flicker
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It’s weird that smart AI aren’t everywhere too

verbal fox
livid furnace
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We know there are churros

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Which says to me "Was this a nod to the Hispanic influences on the Rubble?"

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Because if it was... eh... weak

verbal fox
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I get the sense now that they laid out a story and nitpicked lore that supported it and tossed out whatever didn't

slim flicker
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R they implying that cortana is the first smart AI or that she’s the next step up

slow bridge
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This show is all about ruining our childhood memories

livid furnace
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No ai avatars have been seen before this

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So it's possible Cortana may be the first

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AI so far seems to be things like autopilot.

slow bridge
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Cortona will be a big revel like cheof taking his helmet off 🤣

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livid furnace
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Next step of Human evolution

slow bridge
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They starwarsed my childhood 😢

livid furnace
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Alright, we're doing that again.

verbal fox
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Its not ruining it, its just spitting at it because they can't touch it

livid furnace
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The human evolution thing.

slim flicker
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Bruh I wish parengofski or however u spell her name had black box

livid furnace
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Because 4 made such a big deal on it and its never brought up again

verbal fox
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Parangosky

livid furnace
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Avasarala

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LOLLL

verbal fox
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If this show doesn't die out and becomes immensely popular though, it could threaten core canon

slim flicker
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She reminds me of a avasarala so much

livid furnace
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Well that could be an outcome

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To completely supplant the old story

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Sure it's non canon now. But will it stay that way?

verbal fox
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Books, multimedia, etc, whichever makes more money will have Microsoft's backing

livid furnace
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All you need to say is "Yeah this is canon now"

slim flicker
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Parangosky isn’t scary enough I feel like Halsey and hood would be the only ones to bring stuff up to her

slow bridge
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District 9 was made in 2009 on a budget of 30 million and the graphics were better!

verbal fox
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Hit it like Legends

livid furnace
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Basically

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Even bad stories were canon in the EU

slim flicker
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I did like legends tho

livid furnace
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So at least Star Wars took the hit if someone wrote a stinker

verbal fox
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No, Star Wars Legends

slim flicker
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Ohhh

livid furnace
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Like... Dark Empire was canon

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Like it or not

slow bridge
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Thought starwars was kinda dead...isn't it?

verbal fox
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We are afraid that canon Halo will be Star Wars legendsed

woeful frigate
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Unpopular opinion: Halo needs to make an ODST show

slim flicker
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But movies yeah

verbal fox
livid furnace
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They have no confidence in the sequel era

woeful frigate
livid furnace
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No sequel games

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No sequel shows

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woeful frigate
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Plus ODST>>>>>

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slim flicker
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They already made a game with ODSTs tho a marine might have been cool or like a commander of a ship

slow bridge
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Odst or Reach and do a build up to the cheif

slim flicker
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They should have went really different

slow bridge
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They should have hired people who love the game

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343 should do the same

verbal fox
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Yes but the "problem" is business politics.
Hollywood isn't willing to bank on a sidestory of Halo, they want the first thing to be the full story.

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verbal fox
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Or their crappy version of it

slim flicker
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By why wouldn’t they why does everyone love getting people that have no idea what they’re doing

verbal fox
woeful frigate
verbal fox
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And Hollywood's monoploy, and costs

woeful frigate
slim flicker
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Like Star Wars was bad when it was people that had no idea but Jon favreau and Dave filoni made great stuff cause they know about Star Wars

slow bridge
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Hollywood just wants a quick cash grab

verbal fox
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A blur movie/show would be great, but $$$$$$$$

woeful frigate
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Tbh just get a producer and get a bunch of hard core fans on a passion project for an animated short story, cheap and as long as the voice acting is on point it will be good

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woeful frigate
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Mando is good, just slow af

slow bridge
verbal fox
slow bridge
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They should have got Justin Lee for halo! I bet show wpuld have been awesome!

verbal fox
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The people who care lack the resources and power, while the people with resources and power don't care

slow bridge
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Great point

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verbal fox
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Halo and Xbox were made because the people who cared were able to get the people who had resources to care and help them.

slow bridge
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RIP halo infinite

verbal fox
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Halo Infinite is fine, just young

woeful frigate
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It can’t be worse than 5 at launch

slow bridge
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Nah it's dead player base wise

verbal fox
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Season 2 will launch and people will spike back in, then when Forge comes it will spike again

woeful frigate
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Yep

slow bridge
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It's unbelievable how bad halo infinite launch was

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How come 343 and paramount didn't do a collabe?

verbal fox
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Halo Infinite has a strong foundation.

slim flicker
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Lol yeah I finished my battle pass and dropped the game but I’ll be back for season 2

slow bridge
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Err more people are on farm similator

woeful frigate
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Live action halo sucks

verbal fox
woeful frigate
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It was okay, it wasn’t a truly bad story but it did have some major flaws

slow bridge
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And music come to think of it

woeful frigate
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That one about Locke was decent, but forward unto dawn to me was just mid

slow bridge
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Locke was a mistake for 343

woeful frigate
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And they should have stuck with the OG halo music for the TV show theme

slim flicker
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Also how did they make the elites more brutish again like didn’t they just learn people don’t like that when the fixed it for infinite

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They seem so big

verbal fox
slow bridge
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Corporations make content and you better like it!

slim flicker
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So 343 was like make this show we aren’t going to supervise it at all or tell u what would be good even though it’s our franchise

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verbal fox
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Two different sides of 343, only connected by executive heads, and the price of changing those things once production started

slow bridge
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343 also is having some rough problems internally

verbal fox
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There are a lot of internal issues they don't discuss as to avoid loss of confidence

woeful frigate
slim flicker
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I heard somewhere that the reason chief wasn’t the main person in halo 5 is cause they didn’t know chief was the main character in halo

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verbal fox
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But idk

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verbal fox
woeful frigate
slow bridge
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But "heros never die"

verbal fox
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Unfortunately voice actors don't live and work forever

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Do you want to Master Chief get a ending with Steve Downes, or have a new VA take his place?

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woeful frigate
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verbal fox
woeful frigate
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Having a IV equal to a II in a fight isn’t even close to lore accurate

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Least for chief

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verbal fox
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And Chief himself, he isn't immortal

slow bridge
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Cheif was raised to be a spartan and has an epic amount of experience

verbal fox
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verbal fox
slow bridge
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Starship tropper cheif like Rico!

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tawdry kestrel
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Most Spartan 4’s are battle hardened at this point

verbal fox
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In the end though, fans at one point are going to have to accept that Chief's time eventually will come to an end, or Halo itself will. John isn't an immortal Doomguy, he has far more character.

tawdry kestrel
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A lot of them were previously ODST’s or from other special forces branches

woeful frigate
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Most IVs were ODSTs

tawdry kestrel
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So still pretty bad*ss, even if not on the level of 2/3’s.

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woeful frigate
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So the combat experience difference would be negligible for the overwhelming majority

woeful frigate
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slow bridge
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Yes mechanic's don't do as much fight training as infantry

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woeful frigate
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slim flicker
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What fight they keep making up new ones

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woeful frigate
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Now give him a game or two and it would have been more acceptable

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woeful frigate
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Also how slow paced that fight was as well. That was the biggest issue for me

slow bridge
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Cheif shpuld have beat down Locke and then had a talk with him in halo 5 🤣

woeful frigate
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It would have been a similar process right?

slow bridge
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Yes I see your point

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Mine as a halo fan is simple, no one is Master Cheif level haha

woeful frigate
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Lol, I agree except for one man

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And we all know who that man is

slow bridge
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Cat?

woeful frigate
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Noble 6

slow bridge
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Kidding

woeful frigate
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Lol ik

slow bridge
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I think reach wpuld have made an epic show

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Halo tv show feels like a parody of it almost

woeful frigate
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It kinda does ngl

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A reach tv show or miniseries would have been amazing

slow bridge
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They had more story to work with game wise

tawdry kestrel
woeful frigate
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They literally say that the mods were almost equal to those of the 2s but less invasive and dangerous

tawdry kestrel
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3’s are only considered worse due to them being handed inferior armor (SPI) and slightly less experience, although their rigorous training made up for it.

slow bridge
woeful frigate
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Tho those were pretty similar

tawdry kestrel
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I guess you could say 3’s had less strict genetic criteria but any difference seems negligible tbh.

woeful frigate
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Yeah, especially when you consider they’re purpose as well

slow bridge
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Training can never replace experience irl. Training is vital but once you introduce real life stress and potential loss of life everything changes

woeful frigate
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Nothing can replace experience

verbal fox
upbeat island
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What we talking about?

slow bridge
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Action cheif keeping helm on not talking much being awesome and killing lots of covenant...we wpuld be happy

woeful frigate
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The difference between the Spartan generations and which were better

upbeat island
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What generation we upto?

woeful frigate
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2s v 3s

tawdry kestrel
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2=3’s>4’s>1’s would be my ranking currently.

woeful frigate
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Why the 3s were equal to the 2s

tawdry kestrel
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oieee

upbeat island
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  1. Hands down. They don’t know anything but warfare.
tawdry kestrel
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tudo bem amigos

woeful frigate
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Out of armor 1s were better than 4s

slow bridge
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I've seen old marines take down young marines like it was nothing

tawdry kestrel
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i very muth cool

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Are there any feats to back that up

upbeat island
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Truth @slow bridge

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woeful frigate
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His entire existence is proof 😂

tawdry kestrel
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Eh

upbeat island
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If 18 year old me could have the experiences of 30 yo me I’d be a state champ.

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At wrestling.

slow bridge
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O I wish I cpuld take my experience and go back in time

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I'd get a job at bungie and stop all this bad stuff!

upbeat island
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Lul.

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So thoughts on my theory that master chief was on madrigal to kill Jin Ha?

slow bridge
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I haven't seen past episode 1

verbal fox
upbeat island
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Obviously

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I’m here cause regular chat is a toxic stew atm.

verbal fox
upbeat island
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Halseys propaganda towards children indoctrinated me at a young age. But where I am now is that Sacrifice without choice is meaningless.

verbal fox
upbeat island
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Yeah. But….a wise man once said that you don’t want to be the last person holding a dog leash when the oversight committee comes calling.

verbal fox
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Or we can take Sam's sacrifice in Fall of Reach. He had no choice: his suit was breached, he wasn't leaving the Covenant ship. The circumstances forced him to stay.

slim flicker
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Or even the end of halo 4 tbh chief was ready to die to blow the nuke up

upbeat island
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He’s “lucky”

slim flicker
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Luck has to run out eventually

verbal fox
upbeat island
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Luck or billions in revenue?

slim flicker
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Lol what if the ending is chief retiring

verbal fox
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Is he really lucky, having lost so much anyway? He may still live, but those he cared for didn't.

slim flicker
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Chief buys a ranch and a rocking chair lol

upbeat island
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I’d like to not be chief for the next 10 years and instead come back to him as like an old Rambo for one last adventure.

slim flicker
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Sorta like with gears?

verbal fox
upbeat island
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Master chief settles down and has a family.

slim flicker
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Master chief starts a cattle farm and gets a dog

verbal fox
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Not necessarily have a family, more like he helps people in other ways

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Take Parisa. She has severe memory loss now, but he once promised to take care of her (at a young age however), so he spends retirement helping folks with their injuries

slim flicker
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Imagine chief as a drill sergeant

slim flicker
verbal fox
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Most people cop out to him just dying because they can't wrap their heads around him doing anything besides being a Spartan.

slim flicker
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Idk if people would be happy but it would be cool for chief to just be able to settle down and show that his luck also helped him have some what of a normal life after but have the guilt of all the Spartans he’s lost

verbal fox
# slim flicker Idk if people would be happy but it would be cool for chief to just be able to s...

Think Admiral Cole. Cole was so caught up in loss he deserted in a heroic sacrifice. The UNSC and Humanity had put so much weight on Cole, and every world glassed and every ship lost weighed him down more. To the point he fled: he "died" to be free. Those who praised Cole, thought of him as a hero (those of Halo), got the heroic sacrifice story and were satisfied, but Cole himself got what he wanted.

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A good ending would have to achieve that but for Halo fans

slim flicker
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I know what the ending will be

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Everyone will be assimilated by the flood

verbal fox
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That would upset people

slim flicker
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Lol I know it would

verbal fox
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But Chief defeated the Flood in Halo 3. You just invalidated Halo 3

slim flicker
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U can’t just defeat them tho

verbal fox
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No, that's a statement of story telling not reality

slim flicker
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They’ll probably run into them in another galaxy eventually if they’re not already trying to get to the Milky Way 😂

verbal fox
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Reintroducing the Flood as the primary threat is an invalidation of Chief's arc in Halo CE-3

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Personally though, have him had another ending where upon return to the UNSC, Hood or some higher up approaches him and hands him mandatory discharge paper.

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Its not a heroic ending, but it can be said that his luck has dried up

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The fact he survived is unlucky

slim flicker
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Yeah that could work

verbal fox
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How far they want to take that is another debate. Do you kill off all of Blue Team, to highlight the unluckiness that he survived? Or do you use Blue Team to show how broken Chief is in comparison to them: They adapt to normal life but he doesn't.

slim flicker
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I mean blue team is a lot more human the chief already

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Like Fred actually jokes around and stuff

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So I think them surviving would work

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Maybe have one of them die or get really injured

verbal fox
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Yeah Fred has a weird relationship with Veta Lopis...

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I personally, though, would rather none of them die.
Thankfully we have the Weapon so, there's your death... which would be a repeat of Halo 4...

livid furnace
verbal fox
livid furnace
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You know, Halo spinoff games could be a juicy market...

pine badger
livid furnace
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Covie May Cry?

pine badger
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Halo ring rising revengeance

tawdry kestrel
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Just watched episode one of halo series. Why did master chief have to freaking take off his stupid helmet!

verbal fox
civic token
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I just watched episode 1, why did the machine gun have no effect until Chief picked it up?
Like what

verbal fox
tawdry kestrel
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he just picked up a damage boost off screen guys

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it’s not that complicated smh

heady pelican
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tbh i think the fight scene at the start is the weakest part of the series

dusky nova
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Nah, the fight scene at the start was the highlight of Episode 1. Ep2 was just generic Sci-Fi stuff anyway. The music too... decent but generic. You have the Halo themes lmao, why are you so afraid to use them?

tawdry kestrel
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watched the 2 episodes of the halo tv show

slow bridge
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The writers for Halo are amazing and the best writers there have ever been! Seriously it has to be on purpose to write this bad

tawdry kestrel
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my review on the show is a 9.9/10

tawdry kestrel
#

episode 1 and 2 is actually good

slow bridge
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Amd the build up to the cheif taking his helmet off was so suspenseful

dusky nova
slow bridge
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Definitely better than mandos

tawdry kestrel
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Shoulda gone with Karl Urban instead of Pornstache. Karl Urban understands the assignment. Dredd was awesome and he never took off his helmet

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They did a bad job casting an actor for chief

slow bridge
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Karl's portrayal was perfect...no sarcasm on this one

tawdry kestrel
slow bridge
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How was cheif described in books again?

tawdry kestrel
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13 looking 40

tawdry kestrel
slow bridge
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Pablo in Den of theives was a boss not so much in halo

little anvil
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Unhealthily pale and covered in scars.

livid furnace
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Chief with a beard will never not irk me.

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Don't make me quote Sixta again.

slow bridge
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I feel his look and demeanor are more of an issue with director

tawdry kestrel
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He plays more like Batman than chief

livid furnace
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"WHERE UR THEEEY"

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"WHUT AM AYE?"

slow bridge
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I'm still curious why he is such a chatty cathy

livid furnace
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I can't even compute Chief raising his voice.

tawdry kestrel
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He’s cringe, he’s probably my least favorite character right now

livid furnace
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Oh man, thinking of Reth as the Joker...

slow bridge
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At least he didn't get everyone killed like Kwan

livid furnace
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Considering he never stops smiling

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Yeah I can't even say the name of an established Halo author here.

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Didn't know Kelly Happy's new book comes out in August

tawdry kestrel
livid furnace
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"MASTA CHIEF! DAT HEMLET WUNT YOURS TO TAKE OFF!"

tawdry kestrel
livid furnace
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Steeerike

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Don't even tempt them man

tawdry kestrel
acoustic notch
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I think people are too over reactive with him having his helmet off

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Given its just a fan base meme due to a bug

rotund hamlet
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I heard a theory that the Covenant's motivations in the silver timeline are not

"Humans are reclaimers so we need to kill them all to cover up our religion's lies"

but rather, since only a few Humans are Reclaimers the motivation could be

"Humanity's colonialism is desecrating the forerunner artifacts and we can't let that happen"

livid furnace
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I think Reclaimer as a concept is constantly shrinking

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Down to maybe only a few select individuals now.

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We know that not every Spartan can do it in this series now

rotund hamlet
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It was probably changed so the narrative stakes could be higher

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"Uh oh, chief slipped on a banana peel and broke his legs, what are the other humans gonna DOOOO?"

little anvil
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Because her work with the seires has been nothing but.

rotund hamlet
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And maybe partially, because of how many fans complained so hard about Humanity being the "chosen ones" and "fascism" despite Halo being inherently Human-first in its narrative focus and themes

little anvil
livid furnace
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Well to be honest the UEG likely wasn't going to do anything but mess things up

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The UNSC just saying "Oh jeez look we'll handle this for now."

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Honestly I don't know how much of the private life the UNSC controlled

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We know it was total war, but I don't know if it's certain if they directly controlled manufacturing, utilities or even interstellar travel

verbal fox
little anvil
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In canon or Silver timeline.

livid furnace
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Let's say canon

little anvil
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Canon-wise, ONI Section II had fingers in everything. Near total social media control and direction.

livid furnace
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There may be fascistic themes, but I'd be hesitant to call them a full blown fascist government

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An emergency government to be sure

little anvil
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They had no choice, especially after the Outer Colonies were reduced to cinders.

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Canon Human-Covenant War was a terrifying time to live.

livid furnace
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And to be fair, they did abdicate power at the end of the war

little anvil
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UEGs back in control as of 2554, I believe. Might even have been early 2553.

rotund hamlet
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Thinking about it even more between the last time we had this conversation, at least in the main canon, completely rejecting the mantle would require the death of every single Human alive to purge the genesong, and access to forerunner technology, entirely.

verbal fox
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It depends on whether you are talking post war or pre-war.
Emergency Government during the War was necessary

livid furnace
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What would you do to break the cycle?

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I didn't even think of that.

little anvil
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The military government was put in place in 2530 or so I believe, once the reality of the situation was made clear.
After Cole's battle for Harvest I think.

livid furnace
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Yeah I understand why it was done. But man, some of it was shady

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ONI went to town looking for agents provacateur

acoustic notch
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I wish they'd put more money into quality and properly expand the halo universe but atm they've become greedy scrubs who just want money and don't seem to give af anymore

livid furnace
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Sound isolating computer systems, total automation of traffic control, likely widespread surveillance...

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You uh... can argue things could have been better

verbal fox
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Pre-War accusations of UNSC/UEG "fascism" were relatively unfounded.
Post-War, the Office of Naval Intelligence exerted far more control, however it mostly came with advances in interstellar communications and other technology. A Police State, yes, though not fascist.

livid furnace
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As fascist as an interstellar empire would probably be in its situation

rotund hamlet
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And that is a culmination of 500 years of technolgical advancement. ONI could take a full photogramatric scan of your house through a single TV monitor in a single room

livid furnace
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Since this was also when Halo was "harder" as scifi too.

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Vast distances with limited FTL affected this I assume

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Governors acting as they did.

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Seriously some of it was freaky the stuff that went on behind the scenes

verbal fox
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Also to be fair, the UEG is more of a weird federation like the EU, but the planets sovereignty is not absolute

livid furnace
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There had to be some degree of government presence before the Covenant popped up

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There's obviously representation.

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I suppose it is?

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No way to make it 1:1 of course

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Some government sponsored mining op on some rock likely isn't going to have much in the way of civil liberties

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The actual politics of the UEG isn't talked about much

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Because I am big man must boom alien in face.

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Still it's neat to brainstorm.

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Fun to attempt to fill in the blanks

verbal fox
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Hunt The Truth discusses it a lot

livid furnace
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Right and that was that ONI just had Carte Blanche during the war

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Lavrenti Beria take notes.

verbal fox
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Its also somewhat discussed in material related to Halo Nightfall

livid furnace
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Ah now that I remember less

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Regarding splinter nations right?

verbal fox
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No, regarding relations between the UNSC and outer colonies

livid furnace
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Ok

verbal fox
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Splinter nations like Venezia or disingenuous ones like Gao are discussed in books, I think the Kilo-5 Trilogy

livid furnace
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I haven't read the ones on Gao but a Venezia sure I know of

verbal fox
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Gao is weird. They have an independent military force and are hostile to the UNSC, but they still remain nominally under UEG control, taking benefits but not adhering to the rules

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I personally can't wait for the UNSC to slap the both of them though

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Alas Cortana's uprising has made that a decades away story, sadly

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Despite becoming more of a police state, the UNSC has been less willing to bring breakaway planets back into the fold... likely due to post-war rebuilding efforts

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However they will put down rebels in UNSC controlled space.

rotund hamlet
wind tide
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why dont we release a spartan into russia to aid ukraine

cinder surge
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just saw the trailer for ep3. looks like we're getting the flood! but the "blessed one" is walking right through it? please tell me they're not having the covenant working with the flood.

little anvil
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Those're Lekgolo. Hunter worms.

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The big walking tanks you see in the games are made of hundreds of individual semi-sentient worms that form a gesalt coniousness. The armored forms are just one of many they can take.

cinder surge
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oh ok. thanks

dense rover
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I watched both episodes with my friend that deeply resents Halo for stealing Unreal Tournament's thunder, and she loved it, she's got all kinds of Halo headcanons and played H1 today because of it. So, uh, mission accomplished?

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I didn't think it was so different that it "may as well be another universe" like I've seen on Reddit. But then, I read comic books, so this is just another reboot to me. lol

little anvil
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Best way to look at it.

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Or the Disney Star Wars stuff as opposed to Legends, or the MCU vs the comics.

dense rover
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Except they already demonstrated they're not gonna do any stupid movie synergy crap like Marvel does sometimes, and if you wanna see how lucky you are that Silver is a separate timeline, go check out the New 52.

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Imagine having changes like that and having it be the new canon lol

little anvil
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Might be a bit much for the writers sadly

dense rover
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Huh?

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I was just ranting about all the angry comments I've seen elsewhere, sorry

little anvil
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Oh you mean the usual?

dense rover
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Yeah

pale cypress
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Who's makee

dense rover
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Covenant-chan

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The blonde girl the Prophets hang out with

tawdry kestrel
#

It’s still weird to me that the covenant are willing to cooperate with humans at all instead of blasting them on sight

wraith portal
#

If the crusade against humanity started for the same reasons as in the books (which may not be the case), I can see it making sense. the three high prophets who most interact with her aren’t huffing their own propaganda (probably)

dense rover
#

They seem to understand that humans have an affinity for Forerunner gubbins

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I feel like they think we're Forerunner shoggoths, like a specially-bred slave race that has grown unruly and must be culled.

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Just in my gut.

tame blade
#

Vannak is epic

glacial widget
# dense rover They seem to understand that humans have an affinity for Forerunner gubbins

So from what I understand the prophets always knew that humans were the only species that could have reclaimers and that’s why they despised them and want to exterminate them. But they also know they need them to achieve their great journey it actually makes perfect sense that the would abduct and indoctrinate a reclaimer so they could have access to forerunner artifices such as the dreadnaught and the instillation in the games it actually makes no sense how they got the dreadnaught to work without a reclaimer

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Also for anyone that says it’s against their religion, truth literally gets Tartarus to incapacitate guilty spark because he is convincing the Sanghili. In their religions the monitors are literally prophets

opaque wraith
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She will also be useful when it comes to using Forerunner artifacts since she’s already kinda brainwashed (or so I assume)

rotund hamlet
idle pawn
rotund hamlet
#

"But Acksually every THING is CANNON again!"

hexed peak
#

Marvel’s been becoming a mess, too. Seems like every mainstream American media is just going downhill.

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Well, at least we have Dark Horse.

visual shard
#

Anyone any idea when will episode 3 will come out ?

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Oh ok thanks 👍

robust marsh
#

I finally got to watch. Is it just me or was Forward Unto Dawn way better? Im not impressed with the writing and general intelligence of these characters. Idk, I'm not here to hate on it, I am curious if anyone felt the same way?

rotund hamlet
#

The series has far better choreography, stakes, effects and storytelling tbh.

Especially the way FuD/Nightfall literally reused game assets without optimizing them for film was far more immersion breaking than that assault rifle.

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It would've been so much worse for the show's reception if their cost-cutting measures were applied to a $90 million series

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You can have a Halo TV show that's low stakes but you need to make the premise interesting to justify audience investment.

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Nighfall was "A bioweapon was detonated by a terrorist, now we need to destroy the source of the weapon's chemicals" but there was so much more that could've been done for that idea instead of devolving into "killer worms that eat technology on this ring".

fierce holly
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man i rlly want to watch it but im in UK

rotund hamlet
#

I better take cover now, Pfundle is typing a counterargument

robust marsh
#

I agree that the choreography and effects are in another league, but when it comes to storytelling I dissagree. It felt more like the writers had a plot point they needed to get to and thus resulting in characters acting out of character. An easy example was how the Spartans didnt do any sort of perimiter check before entering the cave or even really once they got in there. Anyone who has military background groaned watching that scene. What makes it worse is that the Spartans are all basically genius level intelligence, but characters can only be as smart as the writers writing them 🤷🏻‍♂️ The list of

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lol true

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I just dont like laspses in logic within a series, or in this case, within its own episode. I actually am a writer, so maybe i am being to hard on them. But they also have a stupid big buget so i expect more

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Full discosure, I didn't like Nightfall for the reasons you gave

rotund hamlet
#

But... I guess Microsoft told them to take that direction

dark flare
#

When is grifball coming?

robust marsh
#

haha, yeah i agree with that

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I wanted to give Locke a chance, but after the actor said some dumb comments about Halo I couldnt anymore lol

little spindle
#

Yeaaaaa

tawdry kestrel
#

Locke could have been interesting but I reckon they can just create new characters

little spindle
#

In concept, Locke was cool. The idea behind him was interesting but the execution was very underwhelming

tawdry kestrel
#

Yeah especially after halo 5 guardians I kinda dislike him

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I have a feeling we are gonna get a new character in infinite DLC

little spindle
#

Probably

tawdry kestrel
#

Halo series and the mandalorian have similarities

tawdry kestrel
slow bridge
tawdry kestrel
#

Few shots are good and few shots aren't

slow bridge
#

"few shots are good" is just a sad statement for this franchise

robust marsh
tawdry kestrel
#

Well ain't gonna lie modern day movies / series have this CGI issue

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Even mcu movies / series do have this issue

slow bridge
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master cheif jumping looked horrible

robust marsh
#

I would prefer practical effect every day

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CGI is over used

tawdry kestrel
#

Yeah I agree

slow bridge
#

i agree with practical effects. biggest issue i had with i am legend was to much cgi

hexed peak
#

With an estimated $10 million budget every episode, you’d think the cgi would feel a bit more immersive.

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It does the job, but it does stick out like a sore thumb

robust marsh
#

I am Legend, good movie and i agree.

slow bridge
#

district 9 was made with budget of 30 million and the effects blow this show out of the water

hexed peak
#

I love district 9!

slow bridge
#

was made to show microsoft that Jackson could make a movie about cgi aliens too

robust marsh
hexed peak
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lol

slow bridge
#

they turn him down and make this lol

hexed peak
#

On the plus side with Halo, some of the practical props look really nice.
Like Silver Team’s armor.

slow bridge
#

the one spartan is more master cheif than the actual master cheif haha

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seriously why is he talking so much!?

robust marsh
#

That is true, I like some of the armor

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I mean, Id wear it

slow bridge
#

i think the armor looks good but wow do they drop the ball with effects

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id wear it too!

hexed peak
#

Oh, same here!

slow bridge
#

and again where is Avery Johnson?

robust marsh
#

hes learning what the ladies like

hexed peak
#

Ah, now that’s a good explaination!

robust marsh
#

haha, its a solo mission

slow bridge
#

or showrunner doesn't want another media mess on their hands for messing up his character

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you know things are not going well when you have to start releasing free episodes on youtube and amazon

robust marsh
#

I didnt realize that

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Isnt Infinite numbers dropping too?

slow bridge
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then amazon wouldn't let me leave a review

#

infinite is getting beat by farm simulator lol

hexed peak
slow bridge
#

see doesn't ark have like 90k players still?

#

all my friends stopped playing as game has no real progression and the aimbotters are atrocious

hexed peak
#

Ah

robust marsh
#

I see. I still play as its something my wife and i like to do. But tbh i kinda keep playing MCC more

hexed peak
#

MCC has content

robust marsh
#

Yeah

slow bridge
#

i started doing the theater after matches when i had some supspicions and man the amount of cheaters is crazy

robust marsh
#

In infinite?

slow bridge
#

yup

robust marsh
#

What type of cheating? I've wondered a few times, but never look after a match

slow bridge
#

aimbot and esp are the big ones ive seen

robust marsh
#

That sucks

slow bridge
#

see it in rank but quickplay seems to be good

robust marsh
#

I am an average player so i typically dont get to upset.

hexed peak
#

Oh dang, I’ve been browsing through Paramount’s YT channel, and I have not seen any other show get a full free episode.

#

Halo’s the only one 🗿

slow bridge
#

RIP

sick shell
#

dang

robust marsh
#

erg, thats bad

slow bridge
#

i mean i agree that you will never make everyone happy but if you just follow the basics of the game the show would be massively popular

robust marsh
#

Yeah. I think the problem is that it can no longer be original. The companies always want to put a "modern" twist on established stories. But its almost always a flop. I think its a hollywood wide type of thing at this point

hexed peak
#

Didn’t one of the interviews of the show blame the halo fans for making the show’s popularity go down?

slow bridge
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i feel they just want to mold an established ip into what they want instead of giving the fans what the fans want

slow bridge
robust marsh
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I think I read that, yes.

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Its becoming too common nowadays to coopt a franchise and alienate some of the fanbase and then blame them

slow bridge
#

sadly you are right

robust marsh
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Idk i am trying to remain somwhat positive

hexed peak
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Yeah, it’s a terrible trend

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And with how all of Hollywood is going downwards in this trend, I think there’s no positivity to be had

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Stick with the past, or look into other countries’ media.

slow bridge
#

we are just the peons they want to bleed dollars from

robust marsh
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I think other companies will emerge as this cant last imo

slow bridge
#

i can't see how they can keep taking all of these massive losses on. Halo will cost them money

robust marsh
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I do small script work and have experience on sets as stuff. I think it can change, but it will take new companies who want to make that change

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I think the subscrition plans that everyone is going to is a guard against losses

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if you have to buy in for one or two shows you love, that locks you in

slow bridge
#

there are way to many subscription services now

robust marsh
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I hate it

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started cancelling a bunch of mine

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I actually watched the halo series at a friends house lol

slow bridge
#

im guessing they will all be free soon

sick shell
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nah they won't

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not till they release the whole show

glossy root
#

Is the show good so far

sick shell
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yeah kinda

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not really

glacial widget
#

The CGI is REALLY bad for a show with this kind of budget

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I’m just hoping that that’s because the opening fight was like a test screening

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Because the whole Reach sequence looking absolutely incredible

idle pawn
grave jolt
gaunt topaz
mild isle
#

I love Halo with a passion. This new show is irritating.

kindred crest
#

Reminds me of that one show ,and I could only stomach a couple episodes before ditching it, I think it was called the expanse?

glacial widget
covert lantern
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cgi in some scenes suck

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coridorr crew could do better lmao

dense kite
#

Bro I saw the banner and thought I saw the breaking bad guys

tawdry kestrel
#

Anyways this show is alright

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Good production value can only go so far to mask the mediocre storytelling and acting though.

quaint valley
#

I just watched the first 2 episodes. It’s not terrible. I like how they’re approaching the story. Diving into the sacrifices that were made to create into the Spartans. Really painting the UNSC as not the good guys which is strange to see but it’s a good storyline to take. Halsey is the mad scientist who see’s the Spartans only as her experiment and has her own agenda than what the UNSC has. It’s not aligned with the lore at all, but I expected that from the show’s early comments. I think they could’ve done a better show by using the lore already established but oh well. A few of the characters also have had some rly bad lines like the Admiral lady and Soren. I’ll definitely be watching the rest of the season to see how it unfolds

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I also got pretty hype seeing the Elites/covenant in action. More hype than when the Spartans came in lol. Need to see some Grunts next!

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CGI is outdated in parts of the show but isn’t a huge turnoff for me. The tech is so good these days that shows can use 5-6 year old CGI and make it look OK. As long as they cover it up with good story telling I can get past it

torn grail
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So far, I like the first episode, but I wish that it was not in a streaming service that a lot of people are not interested in

#

This show is a hard PG-13 and that was a great choice. Most of the looks of the armor, aliens, and sets are lore accurate. Although I do admit that the CGI at times look off (especially the plasma pistol and AR being tossed during the arrival of the Spartans).

earnest fulcrum
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It still works in the modern era

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See: Mad Max Fury Road

wary bay
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So even better choice

torn grail
wary bay
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Oh really?

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Where you from?

torn grail
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The U.S.

wary bay
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I'm from Canada, says TV-MA for me

torn grail
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Oh wow

wary bay
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Either way, good rating for a Halo show

urban sparrow
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the episodes vary as far as rating. In the US the first episode was TV-MA

tawdry kestrel
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Yeah it was pretty brutal and I liked it

hearty nebula
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Hot take:

The Halo TV series prob would have gotten better reception if the protagonist wasn’t master chief, with how the plot is currently going.

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Cre: path.exe

nova nymph
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Is the show worth watching?

rotund hamlet
wary bay
wary bay
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The show is actually turning out quite successful

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If it had none of the actual main Halo stuff going for it, I can guarantee the show wouldn't be this popular

tame blade
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I’m sad. It was no fighting in episode two

wary bay
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Looks like episode three will have a lot more, thankfully

wispy vortex
marsh mauve
# kindred crest Reminds me of that one show ,and I could only stomach a couple episodes before d...

The expanse series ACTUALLY follows the books and novela short stories. They cover a lot of little details and are working DIRECTLY with the authors. with the exception of the last season, they are following the books to the T. This last season amazon said they were going to go on their own direction with the series and they asked the authors as well. The author's threw out some ideas with how they would of done the last 3 books differently.
The halo series is NOTHING like the expanse and not following the source material and doing an 'Adaption' is a poor excuse for i want to do my own thing for a cash grab. I wish they would of taken the expanse model. I know this because my brother in law works on the amazon tv series team with others and is a huge nerd along with the rest of them and they dont do this common trope of studio doing their own thing. Wheel of time is their next series they are taking on

wary bay
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Been sitting at number 3 since yesterday

wispy vortex
wary bay
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I agree, which is why I wanna wait for the season to end before I make any solid opinions

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But even then, even for an IP like Halo, you need to be at least somewhat good to get popular, because it really is just another video game in the eyes of a lot of viewers

marsh mauve
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so based on SEARCH data not viewership

wary bay
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My point still stands

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Not sinking into irrelevancy like most video game adaptations is already something

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And from a personal viewpoint, I have a lot of friends and family who like to joke around about my love of this franchise and have never played a game themselves who have enjoyed the show so far

marsh mauve
wary bay
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And quite a few of those people are very not into this kind of show

marsh mauve
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just for us though Doesn't count every other country

wary bay
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Not throwing away your point, but that list seems to be judging by minutes

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Since Halo only has two episodes out (i.e. just under 120 minutes), not entirely fair to judge it based on that list

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It'd probably be best to check that list again when the first season wraps up

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Even my mom and sisters liked it lmao, still laughing about that

marsh mauve
wary bay
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They're talking about their streaming service in particular tbf, not overall

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Anything Disney+ puts out is gonna be much higher just because of IP

little spindle
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^^^^

marsh mauve
little spindle
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For paramount, this is a big thing for their streaming service.

wary bay
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I don't like throwing that out there because this is kinda the thing Paramount is using to get their service out there

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No one even knew it existed before Halo was revealed to be streaming on it

little spindle
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Fair enough

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Competition in media is good

wary bay
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Still an achievement, don't get me wrong, but it's not quite the same thing as saying it hit the top on something established like Netflix

little spindle
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Yes indeed.

wary bay
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An expensive positive, but it is what it is...

idle pawn
wary bay
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Exactly my point, saying a show hit popularity on an unpopular streaming service is not the same as saying it got popular on a popular one

summer stratus
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MID SHOW

kindred crest
# marsh mauve The expanse series ACTUALLY follows the books and novela short stories. They cov...

I watched about three episodes, it didn’t grab me or take my interest, I just couldn’t bear the show . It is a sci-fi show by technicality , but it really looked like nu-syfy and that severely cut my interest.
The story didn’t do anything for me, the characters didn’t do anything for me, The setting didn’t do anything for me, I just wonder what kind of demographic this show was made for , because I don’t know who’s it is.
Halo tv show is the same way , And by that I mean it’s not meant for the halo fans not at all and it’s not meant for sci-fi fans .
And that being said this new trend of nu-syfy is not what I’m looking for .

slow bridge
waxen sluice
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are the angry man children gamers still here?

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is it safe to come out of hiding?

slow bridge
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It makes me proud hopping in this disc once a day and reading everyone that understands halo upset with same things as myself. It's a cheap looking cw show with atrocious writing by people who don't understand what the community likes

waxen sluice
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welp back to the cave

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yep spoke too soon their def here

wary bay
slow bridge
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Wow so rude

wary bay
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I do like to argue tho

robust marsh
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I am going to give the show a chance, but what ive seen I have not been impressed with.

waxen sluice
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theres no point this is fandom induced outrage seen it tons of times before theres no talking with these people till things dye down and fan influencers stop stoking the flame

slow bridge
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Hey stop typing you are heading back to the cave!

waxen sluice
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fair point see you all when this dies down

wary bay
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I just like the show ¯_(ツ)_/¯

slow bridge
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If people like bad cgi and bad writing thats up to them and power to them for that. There are dB shows I watch and laugh at myself

wary bay
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Episode 1 was amazing, episode 2 was kinda eh, episode 3 looks great

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Made peace with the fact that this would be a different experience a long time ago, so just kinda enjoying it for what it is

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I don't think it's junk tho

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Like, most of the complaints I've seen are how it's different from the games

slow bridge
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I do but I'm all for people having different opinions doesn't get me upset

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For me that's not the issue it's the writing and effects for real early 2000s graphics were better in movies than this

wary bay
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The rest is either complaints about the CGI that I couldn't care less about or writing criticisms I just don't see merit in, with a small amount of it being criticisms that I do agree with but don't ruin the show for me

slow bridge
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Show is dead though when you start dropping free episodes that's a clear indicator

wary bay
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It's dead after two episodes?

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That is a remarkable achievement

slow bridge
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Yeah viewership is in the tank

wary bay
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Where's your evidence?

slow bridge
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Go look on their channels you can see the views

steep osprey
slow bridge
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Err I wpuld disagree as this tactic is usually used when they are not pulling in the numbers

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The banked alot in this

verbal fox
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Despite releasing the first episode for free on youtube, it only has 450,000 views and 34 k Dislikes to 15 k likes, with the most popular comments dunking on the show

slow bridge
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And they deleted a bunch

wary bay
slow bridge
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Amazon wouldn't let me leave a review haha

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They released forst episode for free on Amazon too

wary bay
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Most people also probably also watched through pirating sites or Paramount+

slow bridge
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I did get paramount plus to watch too

wary bay
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It is way too early to judge any of this, really

verbal fox
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According to Paramount, the Premiere got over 4.9 Million views, unknown how much over

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Given that I think a month of Paramount costs $5

wary bay
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The show is still revving up

verbal fox
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And this season ends in May

slow bridge
verbal fox
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And no one cancels their subscription, they would earn roughly $50 Million from subscriptions

slow bridge
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I'll be canceling mine after I finish the stand on paramount

wary bay
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We need to also keep in mind there are people who are waiting for the show to end so they can binge it

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Or people who are waiting for good reviews so they don't waste their time

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There are really a lot of reasons as to why we can't say anything about it right now

slow bridge
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I agree with king here I hate weekly releases

wary bay
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We're talking about a video game adaptation premiering weekly as a series on an unpopular streaming service

verbal fox
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I presume at "best" that 25% of the first day viewers on Paramount (at "worst" 50%) cancelled their subscriptions, and those binging at the end won't pay a dime, so... at best they are earning $25 Million from subscriptions

steep osprey
wary bay
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Of course it's not gonna instantly blow up, we need to wait for it to get in gear before we can judge its success

slow bridge
steep osprey
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Worth binging. There’s 7 seasons I think?

slow bridge
verbal fox
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Unlikely, they blew every major plot point in the first 2 Episodes

slow bridge
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@verbal fox should be a mod just saying

waxen sluice
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why?

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what makes him moderator material?

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is it just because he agrees with you?

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if so thats not really what makes someone a moderator

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ive been staying quiet for a while but im gonna be honest thats just stupid

verbal fox
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I appreciate the idea but no thanks, Discord moderation has nothing to do with articulating opinions, and in fact probably being a mod would require me to hold myself to a higher standard

waxen sluice
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exactly really confused by what guy just said

slow bridge
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He brings receipts for his points and has a good concept of what's going on.

verbal fox
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That's just being good at debating, lol

slow bridge
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And I was joking around

waxen sluice
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translation: he agrees with me so i like him

slow bridge
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See you come across as rude

waxen sluice
waxen sluice
slow bridge
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See!

waxen sluice
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im done trying to be nice in this community

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too many bad experiences

verbal fox
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What a moderator would do in this context is to say, stop

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No need to fight in here over personal matters

slow bridge
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Actually all my interactions here have been polite till today

wary bay
verbal fox
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This is relatively nice compared to others discords where its full blown staunch supporters vs staunch haters

waxen sluice
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being called slurs and attacked because of how i sound doesnt really constitute "relatively nice"

slow bridge
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I like discussions with people I disagree with when it's polite

waxen sluice
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i apoligise for being rude towards you directly i just have a really negative view on the community as a whole

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and i let that bleed into me talking with the average person and thats my bad

wary bay
slow bridge
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And I'm sorry for being rude myself

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I actually like discussions with people I disagree with and like finding some common ground. I work in negotiations irl

waxen sluice
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i used to i just dont find that here anymore all i ever really see is rude remarks and hostility and dont even get me started on the voice chats

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so i just kinda come to expect that

slow bridge
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I get passionate about the show as I've been hoping for a epic halo show/movie since launch day

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Haven't been in voice and probably won't venture there

waxen sluice
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good on ye please make sure you dont trust me its bad

slow bridge
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Halo tv show bad!? Kidding just kidding 😂

waxen sluice
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i honestly dont have a strong opinion on the show yet i enjoyed episode 1 (yes even that ending) i also honestly enjoyed episode 2 for it touching on the spartan trauma of being kidnapped and basically made into a child solider. which you honestly dont see much in halo often being brushed aside. im looking forward to where it goes but at the end of the day its just a tv show so i dont care all that much

slow bridge
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I do feel alot of reviews are over critical to get them clicks.

wary bay
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I agree

hallow parrot
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Halo tv show is a pile of rancid refuse

wary bay
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no u

slow bridge
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Me I wish they had went halo reach story as you could have taken this path without messing with cheif and the story is more incline with reach

waxen sluice
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I find alot of the "reviews" are just there to stoke the fire of induced fandom outrage for views. fandom outrage is what gets clicks .

hallow parrot
slow bridge
waxen sluice
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like alot of it is just regurgitation of the most negative popular opinion with nothing original ever really said. and that creates further regurgitation which causes many to blindly agree with it with out any real thoughts of their own all of this eventually leads down to a split in the community. im honestly sick of seeing it miss the days when you could just like or dislike something but ever since stuff like fallout 76 there has to be all these hard lines drawn and verbal warfare im so sick of it

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the worst of it is when people cite their opinions as "objective" in subjective mediums that really gets my blood boiling

slow bridge
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Don't know about fallout 76. My issue is quality...district 9 was made amd produced Peter Jackson who was tasked with making a halo film then Microsoft said he couldn't make a film about cgi aliens and make it look good. So with a budget of 30 mil district 9 was thrown together. Show had better effects than this and halo has a budget of 90k and the graphics can't even compare to a movie made in 2009 on a third of the budget so feels like they just don't care. Now this is just my opinion

hallow parrot
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Yes, Fallout 76 was a perfect game. This view is definitely valid since everything is subjective

wary bay
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...yes

waxen sluice
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i just used 76 as a example of fandom outrage not really as a piece of media. if your at all aware of the storm that brewed up around that games announcement then you know what im talking about

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but if you feel its perfect good on you! everything is indeed subjective!

wary bay
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I think Batman v Superman is a cinematic masterpiece and Halo 4 is the best in the series, entertainment is objectively subjective lmao

waxen sluice
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exactly

slow bridge
hallow parrot
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How dare fans get outraged about a buggy, unfinished, and exploitative game? This view is objective even though somehow everything is subjective

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Subjectivity doesn't apply to my own views, which are definitely objective

slow bridge
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Buggy unfinished are we talking about infinite now?

wary bay
waxen sluice
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no my views are just as subjective never said they werent

wary bay
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That's the key, think what you want, but respect others' ability to also think what they want

slow bridge
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Rip Henry's superman 😞

waxen sluice
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eternal you seem to feel a little called out i hope you know that this is just media at the end of end of the day its not a attack on you

hallow parrot
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Subjectivism is objective and somehow this isn't a contradiction. Everything is subjective except the axioms I arbitrarily pick to be true

waxen sluice
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no i literally said my views are subjective eternal

wary bay
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My man sounds like Captain Jack Sparrow over here

waxen sluice
hallow parrot
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Subjectivism is subjective therefore it is just as valid as believing things to be objective. QED

waxen sluice
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i dont think your really reading what im saying

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but ok whatever

hallow parrot
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But that's your view. My view is that I'm saying meaningful things, and that's just as valid as your statements

wary bay
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That's what she's also saying?

waxen sluice
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ok yeah ive said thats ok havent I your views are indeed valid

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i think your conflating validity with agreement which is not the same thing your views are indeed valid i simply disagree with them

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though i think weve kinda been off topic for quite awhile lets move back to halo shall we?

wary bay
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:-(

waxen sluice
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rip gif

wary bay
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I think we were measuring the Halo series popularity

waxen sluice
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i think its too early to decide on that

wary bay
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And I was sayin it's too early to judge that

waxen sluice
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the show is only 2 episodes in

wary bay
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Yeah, exactly

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This show is definitely something I'm studying intently

waxen sluice
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its like seeing the title screen of a movie and saying "guess the films over guys lets go home!"

slow bridge
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Welp I can't type anymore halo disc sent me a warning

wary bay
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I'm working on a personal story project that's conceptually very similar to the Halo series, so it's definitely something to watch for its flaws and successes in terms of adaptation

waxen sluice
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i look forward to seeing what ever that intells!

wary bay
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And I also think going alternate timeline was the best move they could have made

waxen sluice
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i do to its literally what pretty much all adaptations do

wary bay
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It gives the showrunners freedom, it gives fans a fresh experience

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It's a win-win if done right

waxen sluice
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honestly really dont get why people are bothered by that i dont see anyone upset that the marvel movies arent canon to the comic books

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oop hate to cut the convo short got to get to work

wary bay
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Nice talkin to ya

waxen sluice
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you too!

robust marsh
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Id kind of have to dissagree on the idea of alternate timelines. I think sources with built in and diffinitive fanbases should try their best to remain true to source material. The best example is LOTR. Fans of the books absolutely loved how lore accurate the movies were. (with some exceptions) This is true even with others like Dune, Twilight Saga etc. This isnt to say alternate timelines dont work. I think for marvel it was actually the only viable option as there was an oversaturation of source material and they needed a diffinitive timline to start with. If you look now, they are expanding timlines and its becoming a bit muddled. The biggest need of adaptation, imo, is to first honor the source material. There are instances in the Halo series atm that lead me to beleive the writers dont understand the principle story of Halo and have read only the spark notes version. This being said, I think it can be really good, but with my Acting/Writing background I am not hopefull.

steep osprey
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I agree, even though I am enjoying the show, I would rather it be more core lore based. I think an ODST show would be sick

robust marsh
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Oh heck yeah!