lore-and-universe

[terse lava]

Behind? The Covenant as a civilization has existed since 852 BCE. The Sangheili, were space faring for centuries before they met the San Shyuum, and had plasma tech for even longer

[royal whale]

Lmaoooooooooo

[terse lava]

Did..did you not know this?

[royal whale]

Dude, the covies based their tech on forerunner tech which is in case you know

Thousands of years ago

[terse lava]

...yes? And?

[royal whale]

I think you didn't get it

[terse lava]

You were claiming the Covenant were thousands of years behind in technology

[royal whale]

Yeps

Behind as in years

[terse lava]

...you do know plasma technology is more advanced than modern technology, righf?

[royal whale]

.

Their technology was thousands of years behind

Let that sink in

Actually ago may be a more fitting term

But you get the point

It was supposed to be a confusing joke

You do know that plasma is the 4th state of matter right?

[fair hazel]

Are you ok

[royal whale]

I don't know tbh

Technology doesn't necessarily progress over time

[terse lava]

I am beginning to think the idea you had was the classic thought that the Covenant didn't advance much from their basic tech, compared to humanity

[royal whale]

That's true as well

But the covenant viewed their tech more like sacred and should be left pure as the forerunners designed it

But the statement was kind of a play on words that the covies use tech thousands of years ago

[royal whale]

Which when first read gives off a reaction like this lmaoooooo

[stable flower]

It's disappointing how they made humanity so primitive in Halo

[royal whale]

A single modern day submarine would probably do more damage

[royal whale]

For 500 years into the future, I was expecting more technological progress

[ocean ibex]

Human weapons aren’t primitive

[stable flower]

The original reason for that was because they wanted humans to be distinct from the Covenant.

[ocean ibex]

The fact that we were able to unlock ftl travel within 200 years is extremely impressive

Especially considering we didn’t have forerunner tech to boost us

[royal whale]

Guns are basically throwing rocks at a faster speed

[royal whale]

That's pretty much the only wow factor in the universe

[ocean ibex]

You’ve got to be trolling

[royal whale]

Nope

You'd be amazed how complex modern day technology actually is

I mean like man just look at the design of the warthog

Absolutely terrible

[ocean ibex]

So true anti gravity technology isn’t impressive to you?

Which is also very accessible to civilians

Ok what

[royal whale]

So you're telling me, you want a car with no doors or armor and somehow also have a marine man a machine gun while standing up with no harness to secure him?

[royal whale]

Forerunner tech was thousands of years ago mate

[ocean ibex]

Humans just discovered how to make iron weapons by the time the covenant were making their 400 km space station

[ocean ibex]

By ahead I mean it would take modern humanity, thousands of years to progress to the point to where the covenant stood

[royal whale]

That's up for debate

Since lore wise it actually took humans just a few decades to at least be on par with the covenant

Since ya know, reverse engineering

[ocean ibex]

We weren’t on par with the covenant

Not even close

[royal whale]

Ye that's because the covenant didn't exist anymore

[ocean ibex]

One of the biggest advantages the unsc had was that the covenant didn’t take them seriously

[royal whale]

Post halo 3

[royal whale]

Wdym

That's not true at all

[ocean ibex]

If the covenant properly mobilized for an all out war we would’ve been wiped out in a couple years

[royal whale]

The covenant was literally launching a crusade against humanity after the prophets found out we were the chosen ones (reclaimer)

[royal whale]

They didn't need to, they need only a fraction of their strength to crush us

And its as if the covenant aren't already militaristic enough

[ocean ibex]

Exactly

You just proved my point

[royal whale]

So why total war mob then?

[ocean ibex]

Only a fraction of the covenant’s military power was enough to send us to near extinction

[royal whale]

As if like the covenant isn't glassing cities indiscriminately

[ocean ibex]

They could take ship losses in the hundreds and just shrug it off

[royal whale]

You do know what total war mobilisation means right?

[ocean ibex]

Yes, devote all of your resources to a war effort

like how the US did in the Second World War

[royal whale]

So why would the covenant introduce full mobilisation when they can achieve the same results without it?

[ocean ibex]

I said IF

[royal whale]

And its as if the covenant even had a napoleon so they could develop the concept of total war

[ocean ibex]

what

So you’re saying the covenant didn’t know what the concept of war was?

[royal whale]

The napoleonic wars were arguably the first total war humanity experienced

[royal whale]

"Total war"

We have limited wars and total wars

[ocean ibex]

If glassing beams and orbital bombardemnt isn’t considered total war warfare then idk what is then

[royal whale]

Smh

You don't use usage of weaponry as a measure for mobilisation

That would be like saying I commenced total war on Antarctica just because I dropped a nuke on a sheet of ice

[ocean ibex]

You just went on a ramble about total war and then back to mobilization?

[royal whale]

Total war is mobilisation man

You're probably thinking more along the lines of absolute war as described by clausewitz

Which is a type of warfare with no regard for violence or morality

[ocean ibex]

You didn’t differentiate

[royal whale]

And even then, did the covenant viewed glassing as immoral or rather just a tool?

[royal whale]

That's because we were talking about total war mobilisation and not absolute war

[ocean ibex]

Does it matter? Glassing can render planets inhabitable for decades. Would that not be considered immoral

[royal whale]

If the covies considered it immoral, they wouldn't have done it

Different societies man

The aztecs sacrificed people alive on a regular basis

To us that's immoral and barbaric

To them it's a spiritual offering

Perspective

Like man, the elites viewed themselves as honourable yet would continue on glassing planets with millions of helpless civillians

Their concepts are very different from us

To them it's honourable to fulfill the prophet's will in the name of the great journey no matter the means

To us, that's genocide

[fair hazel]

It’s genocide no matter what…

Go read the return from halo evolutions or watch the animated thing

[royal whale]

Halo legends?

[terse lava]

Also gun little fact, glassing was frowned on by the Sangheili, a reason it was mainly used by the disgraced crews of destroyers

[royal whale]

That's interesting

But wasn't it also the sangheli who proposed the idea to glass the unggoy's home planet during the rebellion?

[ocean ibex]

What’s the name of the sangheili in your pfp

[terse lava]

Just a h3 Sangheili

[ocean ibex]

Why not a reach one

Or a h2a one

[royal whale]

Because when he chooses reach, anyone can also say why not a h3 one

He chose it, because he likes it

Personally I like the h2a elite designs the most

Or probably infinite's

[ocean ibex]

Valid

[gilded mason]

Infinite’s is one of my favorites, yeah

[terse lava]

Eh idk if the h2A ones are my favorite, always found it strange how they lacked gloves and had tiny feet, along with the armor appearing more bulky

[gilded mason]

Alongside CE’s

[terse lava]

The infinite ones are indeed pretty good

[royal whale]

Spartans weigh half a ton yet still have tiny feet sooooooooo

Ground pressure doesn't exist in the halo universe

[ocean ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-halo-gif-23844822

[royal whale]

Epic embed fail

[ocean ibex]

Never realized how massive elites were

[royal whale]

Wait till you see a grunt

[terse lava]

Just always seemed weird compared to the other incarnations

[ocean ibex]

Reach ones actually seem intimidating

[royal whale]

The elites from reach looked very cumbersome

They don't give off the vibe that halo 1-3 elites give off

[terse lava]

I'd say that dubious honor belongs to the h4 and h5 ones

[royal whale]

Oh no

I first thought it was a different species from the demo lmaooo

[ocean ibex]

Reach elites tower over Spartans by a huge a margin it’s actually terrifying

[royal whale]

They also aren't standing straight

[terse lava]

I tolerated it for a short time, as they were implied to just be from a colony world, but than it was said they came from everywhere

The reach ones do stand straight

Only bending down when wielding swords

[ocean ibex]

Theyd still get destroyed by Spartans tho 🙂

[royal whale]

Still big even if slouched tho

[royal whale]

*laughs in noble team

[ocean ibex]

Laughs in 14 year old Spartan 2’s casually destroying silent shadow elites

[royal whale]

Smh Emile should have used better gaming headphones

That way he could've heard that elite sneaking up behind him

[ocean ibex]

He Wouldn’t have killed the elite regardless

[terse lava]

Oddly did like that tiny sub plot in reach. That Field Marshal hunting down the spartans

[royal whale]

Kinda sad noble 6 didn't get into the pillar of autumn

Imagine two hyper lethal spartans together

[ocean ibex]

Every Spartan is hyper lethal

[royal whale]

You sure about that?

[terse lava]

Yeah, the hyper lethal for N6 was just marketing

Its been discussed to death

[ocean ibex]

The whole hyper lethal thing was retconned years ago

[royal whale]

Wasn't only N6 and chief the only two hyper lethal spartans?

[ocean ibex]

Retconned

[royal whale]

Ohhhhh

That's kinda lame

[ocean ibex]

There only being 2 hyper lethal Spartans is kinda stupid as well

[royal whale]

Nahhhhh man

[ocean ibex]

Also noble 6 is boring as a character, no stupid rating is gonna change that

in fact he has ZERO character

[royal whale]

In real life we had pilots shoot down 300 planes without dying

[ocean ibex]

This is a fictional universe though

[royal whale]

Ye so the idea of a spartan killing an entire army is more realistic

[ocean ibex]

No. Again it’s literally science fiction, writers can do whatever they want with a character

[royal whale]

.

More realistic in a fictional universe

Since ofc the writers can do anything

It'd be bizarre for a single man to stop an entire army even though it actually did happen many times in real life

[trim spear]

"I have the gun." is all the character he needs

[unique rune]

So character deficient that the only thing I felt when he died was "oh, shoot, that armor was super expensive".

[fair hazel]

Indeed

[royal whale]

Isn't that like kind of the point of nob6

Since he's supposed to represent the player

[humble yacht]

Except the only agency you have over him is how he kills enemies

You don’t actually make any meaningful choices, so he’s not you so much as you are him

[royal whale]

But isn't that like kind of what a soldier is anyways?

You have no say in what things you should be doing other than how you're gonna be doing it (successfully at least)

Nob6 imo felt like the player being shoved into a desperate situation just to be left out and die alone in the end

Although ye nob6 felt more like a vessel for the player to take form instead of being a representative of the player itself or a spectator to another character

[obsidian thistle]

I still love that we actually know where he was born! Though that might be my bias actually spotting it by pure chance.

(I also found it funny how the Encyclopedia redacted it despite us knowing it aha.)

[terse lava]

that is oddly amusing

[stable flower]

N6 is MC's SIII equivalent IMO

[fervent compass]

I mean Cortana also chose Six so…

[obsidian thistle]

Fun fact: A Spartan Will Rise never actually said Master Chief John-117 was the other Spartan Halsey was talking about.

It didnt specify who the other hyper lethal Spartan was.

IRL in a marketing POV it is a reference to Master Chief.

But in-universe never saying it = never confirming it.

[ocean ibex]

Plot twist it’s every other Spartan that is still alive

[half apex]

All spartans are rated as hyperlethal don’t worry about it

[royal whale]

Coming to think about it

I have no idea where I got the "fact" that there were only two hyper lethal spartans and that the other was chief

[half apex]

halsey was talking about b312 and how he was hyperlethal

she said that there was “only one other spartan” with the hyperlethal designation

which has changed

[obsidian thistle]

Source: https://youtu.be/Bs2TPo7z0sM

Cause thats always useful!

Love the lore entwined trailers

@half apex and @royal whale! :)

But yea that has since changed with the release of Halo: The Official Spartan Field Manual making it every Spartan.

[tacit charm]

yet most of them will get yeeted by a spartan 2/3

same goes for brutes

for the most part

[shut dew]

Do we have any info on what the generation names are for the two generations that grew up during the HCW?

[obsidian thistle]

Imma need a lil more context lol

[tacit charm]

some halopedian

[half apex]

oh man, I’ve never seen this before. This looks great

[shut dew]

Like what are their equivalents of the terms we gave to American generations post-world war II, like "Gen X," "Millenials" "Gen Z" "Baby Boomers"

[obsidian thistle]

None that we know about. If there is a term I I dinnae recall it!

[ocean ibex]

Ever generation except a 1

Even 1’s are pretty strong too, like Johnson in contact harvest was casually fighting grunts and jackals in hand to hand and winning

[tacit charm]

ye kinda forgot about an s4 in hunters in the dark almost beating h3 elite in a duel

also johnson punching a brute chieftain in h3 and doing jack squat to him sounds pretty strong

nvm

kodiack didnt technically beat h3 elite but then again they were more or less even

[royal whale]

Spartans are kind of an equal to elites right?

Only slightly better since they're kind of faster?

[tacit charm]

well it depends which spartan and which elites

[unique rune]

Roughly equivalent, will vary between individual Sangheili due to factors like age and experience.

[tacit charm]

if you were to pull some random smuck minor against someone like fred

ye gg elite

if it's someone like john and gigachad fal

gg john

(well not really but whatever)

although with that being said last i checked in first strike or tfor john won the fight with that 3 meter tall elite

or a meter taller than john

one of those two

then there's also silent storms

rip that silent shadow dude

[ocean ibex]

They are not equals in the slightest

It took like 4 ultras and a zealot to take down a heavily wounded 6

[tacit charm]

not the example i would use but sure i guess

[royal whale]

Let's be real folks, a marine using a rocket launcher is enough to defeat a state of the art technology spartan boi

Although I was thinking more along the lines of spartan IIIs

Since they didn't have any kind of shielding

Whereas elites do

[ocean ibex]

Also in divine wind, a silent shadow elite told a prelate that he was lucky to survive encounters with Spartans

[royal whale]

What really distinguishes both are that elites are present in high numbers

Unlike spartans

[tacit charm]

noted

another addition to my collection

[tacit charm]

pretty sure elites in ghost of onyx during the whole beta shenanigans said it was suicide engaging s3s in cqc

[royal whale]

Weren't s3s pretty weak since they don't have the strengthening abilities of MJOLNIR?

Granted they are still stronger than your average infantryman

Althoooooo I believe they were real fast

[ocean ibex]

Were the Spartan 3’s on onyx gamma company?

Cuz gamma company Spartan 3’s are stronger than 2’s

[tacit charm]

that depends which s3s variant (although not that it matters since they're pretty strong even without Mjolnir)

[royal whale]

I think the only exception to that was Noble team

Since noble team were the top of the line s3s that could use MJOLNIR

[tacit charm]

some iirc

although tom was there

also i forgot who almost got kelly in an arm lock

[ocean ibex]

Gauntlet, red, and echo teams were given mjolnir

[royal whale]

I wonder, did humanity ever used biological weapons against the covenant?

[ocean ibex]

Yes

[royal whale]

Like that would work really well especially since elites despise doctors in their society

[gilded mason]

aaaaaa

[ocean ibex]

Oni tried poisoning crops on sangheilios or something like that

[gilded mason]

They had doctors. 😩

[tacit charm]

during or post war?

[royal whale]

During

[tacit charm]

hmmm

not sure tbh

[ocean ibex]

I mean would oni trying to use the flood count?

[gilded mason]

I'd say so

Though they never got to use it on the field

[tacit charm]

i mean

gl controlling them

[ocean ibex]

Which I doubt would’ve worked tbh

[tacit charm]

rip friendly elite

maybe

[royal whale]

💀

That would be a disaster

[ocean ibex]

The covenant have the firepower to eradicate small scale infestations

[royal whale]

Chiefs armor was like lvl 2 only under forerunner classification right?

[ocean ibex]

Yup

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[tacit charm]

shows mona lisa

[royal whale]

And forerunner civillians even had way higher security than that

[ocean ibex]

Yes

[royal whale]

Ngl the flood is one of the best interpretations for a zombie

[tacit charm]

yet they only have the firepower to create 100 meter deep craters

[ocean ibex]

Forerunner civilians were required to wear class 12 combat skins

[tacit charm]

[royal whale]

Absolutely terrifying to fight an intelligent enemy

[tacit charm]

in ce/first strike ye

[ocean ibex]

Lol

[gilded mason]

obsessed 😏

[tacit charm]

although during infinite you could argue it's exceedingly higher

[tacit charm]

vs debates are funny

[ocean ibex]

And pointless

[royal whale]

The forerunners should have used a face mask smh

[tacit charm]

that was odd

[gilded mason]

There was barely any change, relatively.

(There we go)

[tacit charm]

why did ostral deleting that comment freeze my screen

[tacit charm]

i mean

[royal whale]

It got blocked

[gilded mason]

Like, at most, I could see it being level 3 now

[royal whale]

Happened to me as well

Probably mentioned some innocent word that was censored

[gilded mason]

Probably lol

[ocean ibex]

Would sangheili harnesses rank lower than mjolnir?

[royal whale]

Probably

[tacit charm]

you can argue since chief blocked that monitor beam without any damage and said monitor beam managed to incapacitate the didact briefly (ignores the fact that monitors can have different levels of powe from one anotherr)

[royal whale]

Though in game those shields are really useful

[gilded mason]

Lower rank harnesses, yeah

[royal whale]

I really find it odd how characters with no masks make it alive out of the library

Shouldn't that place be infested with spores

[ocean ibex]

do higher ranking harnesses have any other advantages besides tougher shields

[tacit charm]

id say gigachad zealot holding emile in one hand comes pretty close to the strength multiplier on Mjolnir

although shields on said zealots is a bit questionable

even more weird is that dude that got shot by 6 was a field marshal

[gilded mason]

That beam was also only active for a split second.

[tacit charm]

ik

[royal whale]

Chief is also a reclaimer so there's that

[ocean ibex]

Why did six just stand there shooting at him lmao

[royal whale]

So there might be some kind of restraint

[tacit charm]

not saying chief in gen 3 armour ranks up to class 20 or anything but ya know

you can try to argue for it

try

gl convincing anyone

[tacit charm]

cause why not

[royal whale]

The bad breath from the hissing must have rendered him paralyzed lmao

[tacit charm]

that was before that

[royal whale]

Oh wait are we talking about the first encounter or his death

[tacit charm]

first

[ocean ibex]

First encounter

[royal whale]

Since in the first one six also did nothing

[ocean ibex]

Six killed the field marshal at the end of the pillar of autumn

[tacit charm]

right after that field marshal tried to slice off jorge's head (and then jorge for some reason just lies in one spot for that whole scuffle)

[tacit charm]

it's a shame we dont know whether that's actually canon or gameplay

[royal whale]

That encounter really made me question how aware and quick spartans really are

[tacit charm]

[royal whale]

It's also quite odd what in the world is a field Marshall doing down there in the field

[tacit charm]

he's a field marshal

they tend to like fighting on

well the field

[royal whale]

Badum tsss

[ocean ibex]

Field marshal vs all 300 million military personnel on reach???

[royal whale]

American elite

Oil field Marshal

[tacit charm]

@gilded mason wins

[gilded mason]

🎉

[royal whale]

I wonder

Did humanity mine the hell out of the moon in the lore?

[tacit charm]

they colonised it

[royal whale]

The moon is like made mostly of titanium

[tacit charm]

does that count

[royal whale]

Well humanity used a lot of titanium sooooo

It would make sense if the moon was like a major shipyard

[dusky sparrow]

I wish I was born a sangheli

[fair hazel]

Um

[gilded mason]

Would be a pretty nice deal. Really strong, long lifespan, mandibles.

[ocean ibex]

Brutes are stronger : )

[gilded mason]

Yeah, but they don't have the other two points

[ocean ibex]

Who wouldn’t want the bite force of a huge gorilla tho

Imagine trying to eat an apple as a sangheili

[royal whale]

Imagine drinking coffee

[static stone]

Yes do imagine

[terse lava]

i'll pass on imagining wanting to be either

[stable flower]

Brutes are "monke see, monke doo". I'd rather be a Jackal.

[agile loom]

why has nobody wanted to be a lekgolo

[terse lava]

go for a Mgalekgolo

[minor sky]

The fact that we haven't gotten Goliaths or whatever they're called in a mainline game sucks

[stable flower]

I say the same about insurrectionists

[dawn knot]

I want to be the leftmost shoulder worm on that first hunter you see in the ark

[ocean ibex]

Or the grizzly

Could’ve been the unsc’s equivalent to the scarab tank

[minor sky]

I honestly thought the Jackrabbit would be great for an openworld game like Infinite ngl

[ocean ibex]

Would’ve also loved to see converted unsc vehicles

Like a banished warthog or a scorpion

[terse lava]

just more life in the overworld, skiffs, patrols, warthogs driving around your little encampments, banshees watching the skies, not just popping out of no where to zap you

[stable flower]

I was hoping that the Skiff would appear seeing how they have an action figure for it

[terse lava]

yeah, that mega construx set

[spiral jewel]

When it comes to smart AI, would it be possible to bring them back from the dead by using any living subroutines that may still exist, like Kalmiya for example? Or is this just highly impossible pseudoscience?

[terse lava]

don't see how, seeing as there likely wouldn't be enough to work with

[tacit charm]

where's mega hunters from legends

also dont at me scarabs

those dont count

technically

[terse lava]

still amusing how we aren't even sure how canon those big guys are anyway

you'd think the encylopedia would have been a perfect time to mention them

[tacit charm]

[terse lava]

what?

[half apex]

They all get backstabbed

[agile loom]

worth it

[minor sky]

Have we gotten any explanation for why the Monitors look different in Infinite?

[teal sphinx]

No

[marsh garden]

What happened to the Promethean’s in halo infinite?

[craggy sierra]

Narrative cowardice

[humble yacht]

I don’t disagree

[fair hazel]

Indeed

[obsidian thistle]

Monitors can change shells

As long as the durance is present

A monitor lives

(Technically speaking Pyre isnt "dead" based on that knowledge)

[stable flower]

Maybe it's because Zeta Halo is a different kind of Halo ring, as it's made by the Greater Ark

[stable flower]

They were swept under a rug, along with the Created

[minor sky]

Makes sense @stable flower @obsidian thistle

[dawn knot]

First recorded instance of a mod ping not responded to by that bot response

[spiral jewel]

Realistically speaking, there probably wasn't any Created Forces outside Cortana on Zeta Halo. If there had been, I'm sure the Banished made quick work of them in the months prior to Infinites campaign

[marsh garden]

Ok thank you

[clear vortex]

I guess it’s because they don’t really have anything/one to lead them

In halo 4 we got the didact and librarian

In halo 5 we got the warden and cortana

[marsh garden]

What if the banished took them over, like the covenant?

[clear vortex]

The covenant never really took them over

[marsh garden]

The banished took over the covenant is what I meant

[clear vortex]

I believe it was just a ruse

[clear vortex]

I doubt that’d happen

The banished and covenant are very different

And the covenant needs to stay dead

We’ve beaten them like 3 times

[marsh garden]

Yeah

[clear vortex]

If we want to bring factions back we have so many more options

[marsh garden]

That’s true

[clear vortex]

It would be cool to fight the insurrection

[marsh garden]

But I mean, it would be interesting to see the banished take over the promethean’s. Like a “Banished Knight”.

[clear vortex]

The only games with real human v human fighting are the halo wars games

And that’s only really in the multiplayer

[clear vortex]

I doubt that would happen

They could reverse engineer them

And make something similar

[unique rune]

And that only works because RTS games are mechanically pretty different from FPS. Fighting Insurrectionists in an FPS Halo title would be... probably boring and kinda lame.

You'd essentially be fighting an entire faction made up of weaker Jackals as far as gameplay is concerned.

[clear vortex]

It’d be better than fighting the covenant or something similar again

[unique rune]

I... very much doubt that.

[clear vortex]

I mean the game could be around a Squad of marines

Or an under cover thing

Or even a second ODST game

Or a turn based game

A few spinoff games would be cool

But that probably wouldn’t happen

[stable flower]

Besides, the fans will start shouting "OMG COD LOOKALIKE!!!!1"

[solar tulip]

Speaking of spinoffs I'd love a game where the player gets to use the SPI armor where it'd focus a lot more on stealth considering the armor has built in camo

[clear vortex]

That sounds cool

Splinter cell but halo

Or even a og rainbow 6 style halo game

Or even battlefield type halo

That would be cool if we got more vehicles

[solar tulip]

What they could do if this stealth game were to exist is bring new weapons and ones from the books like the MA5K and Stanchion gauss sniper

[clear vortex]

Ong

[ocean ibex]

If it’s a squad of marines then, plot wise you can’t really have them make any impact on the greater universe

[trim spear]

chips dubbo single handedly saved the human race

11 marines can for sure do more

[clear vortex]

It doesn’t have to affect the plot

It could just be some marines that fight in different battles

Like reach

Reach has a lot of battles

[ocean ibex]

Yes but reach had stakes involved

[clear vortex]

Yes

[ocean ibex]

You are the reason why the master chief is alive

[clear vortex]

I know

Every halo game doesn’t have to be through the eyes of some form of elite soldier

[ocean ibex]

Even then, someone already mentioned how you’d be fighting weaker jackals

[clear vortex]

I think you missed my point

[ocean ibex]

Elaborate

[clear vortex]

Alright

A squad of marines

Fighting

Enemies

Boom

[ocean ibex]

Yes but again, the gameplay would be boring, considering you would be fighting weaker jackals

[stable flower]

Or weaker Brutes if you give them armor

[royal whale]

You'd die on the very first encounter lmao

[terse sage]

I wish we had a halo game where we fight Insurrectionists

[ocean ibex]

Did you read the previous conversation above

[stable flower]

The community needs to get rid of their stupid obsession with COD first.

[ocean ibex]

?

[stable flower]

Regarding humans

[ocean ibex]

What

[keen cairn]

Anyone know what the largest space battle of the fall of Reach?

[last anchor]

Only one space battle happened over Reach and thats the last one just before the planet fell, which we see begin at the end of the mission Long Night of Solace.

[fair hazel]

Space skirmish ardent prayer

[last anchor]

Thats a skirmish, they're asking for a proper sized battle.
OPERATION Uppercut was small scale.

But yes, it did happen over Reach. It just wasnt a battle. Properly.

[ocean ibex]

152 unsc ships and the odp’s vs I think like 750 covenant ships

[ocean ibex]

What was the orbital response when covenant ships started glassing military and population centers?

[last anchor]

Wasnt much they could do. They had to rely on ground-based stuff like the battery at the end of Exodus.

[ocean ibex]

I still wonder how that missile battery was enough to destroy that corvette

When a full starboard barrage from a unsc cruiser barely affected it

Slight tangent, when auntie dot mentioned how 60 percent of the unsc fleet was en route to reach, were most of these ships pulled from the main home fleet at earth?

[fair hazel]

it didn't destroy it

[ocean ibex]

It made the corvette crash

[last anchor]

Nah, it blew out something important and it kinda just sauntered off on fire.

My guess is the battery was the last straw, since earlier in the mission we hear it eat two mass driver shots

[last anchor]

No, everything that wasnt at earth, including the Pillar of Autumn and the other vessels in the area around the system.

[ocean ibex]

Dot worded it as if the entire navy was coming to reach

[last anchor]

Nah, 60% of the UNSC fleet is on route from existing deployments.

That doesnt include Home Fleet.

[tacit charm]

wasnt it 300 something in the newer reprints

dont at me with lord hood line

that man has dementia

also

they could had just yeeted the supercarrier with an odp by copy pasting first strike

rip jorge you BOOMer

[agile loom]

emphasis on boom

[terse lava]

@tacit charm other way around, 315 covenant ships attacked the planet

[tacit charm]

wait wasnt it fixed in the 2019 version?

thought it was the second one that had the 750 number

[gusty star]

It was

There were not 750 ships lmao

Hood just likes to use hyperbole and Hidden Xperia likes to take it at face value

Which is why his entire fan base now thinks that the tiny Fleet of Retribution managed to glass half of Africa in like an hour

When it was really just a small city at most

[tacit charm]

ah

now it makes sense why i had a discussion with someone on hxp about that

[gusty star]

Yeah a lot of them tend not think or do their own research

[ocean ibex]

It was 315 ships destroyed

[terse lava]

@ocean ibex the 750 is Hood being hyperbole, and the 2010 reprint of Reach that went with that later had it removed in the 2011 encyclopedia. Out of the 315 ships sent, the Covenant lost over 210

[ocean ibex]

All of those ships were multiple armadas clumped together right?

Or was it one fleet

[terse lava]

Would say since Halo: Reach, they went with multiple fleets that were overall under Thel's command. Before that would game say they were all the Fleet of Particular Justice

[ocean ibex]

I’m still amazed how most of the covenant ship losses were from 15 odp’s

[terse lava]

20 orbital guns

[stable flower]

So do the Banished fight for the money or the principle?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[ocean ibex]

Still impressive. Considering earth had 300

[terse lava]

Well by the Battle of Earth, the Covenant had learned there was nothing wrong with jumping near a planet

@stable flower both

[gusty star]

We don’t really know lmao

Their motivations need to be defined better

[ocean ibex]

Yeah Cortana accidentally gave them that information lol

[stable flower]

BTW I find their war with the UNSC to be rather dumb. The Brutes are already an endangered species because of Cortana. Going to war would just make that even worse.

[ocean ibex]

The brutes were trying to make zeta halo their new home. If there’s a foreign presence there you have to get rid of them

[tacit charm]

it's never stated if earth has or had any reach type odps (yes ik they have an official name in the encyclopaedia dont at me)

[terse lava]

Don't recall anything saying there was a difference @tacit charm

[ocean ibex]

Good point, but they’re still odp’s

And there were more odp’s at earth than there were ships at reach

[terse lava]

Both types still killed covenant ships in one hit

Except the Solem Penance

[ocean ibex]

I heard there was a spectrum of power of the odp Super macs

The ones at reach were top of the line but in general they’re not as powerful as most would assume

[tacit charm]

one can yeet a 51 gigatons of kinetic energy

the other is a poor excuse for a smac

plus no ground generators

plus reach version are bigger (well longer)

plus 5 second reload time

[terse lava]

We have still seen them manage take out enemy ships in one shot

[tacit charm]

Moncton allegedly couldnt take out regret's cas though

[terse lava]

Same fate would have likely befallen those at Reach

[tacit charm]

btw do not say a cas > 51 gigatons cause a krapton of them were taken out by the odps at reach

[terse lava]

Would say thats more due to that particular CAS

[tacit charm]

or

you know

moncton odps are just krap

they can one shot a ccs cruiser sure

but that's it

[terse lava]

Like I said, willing to bet Regret's carrier is unique

[tacit charm]

or monctons are krap

there's always that option

[terse lava]

Likely

[tacit charm]

another reason i say this is well it's very interesting how the oh so invincible super carrier over reach never once chose to engage the 20 odps over reach despite the fact that rho didnt want to be seen as incompetent in battle and simped over forerunner McGuffins

encyclopaedia and fleet battles is very funny

[terse lava]

Maybe they did engage, and just utterly failed

[tacit charm]

the odps?

[terse lava]

Bounced right off the CSO

[tacit charm]

doubt

[terse lava]

Or straight up zapped by lasers

[tacit charm]

that thing just outright never directly engaged the odps

closest thing was in tip of the spear

though that wasnt the cso

and it's kinda unclear whether "orbital defence" meant the the odps, the reach fleet and/or the odp generators

[terse lava]

Suppose it could see that the CSO was simply out of range, even if seen by any platforms. Good old Bungie

[tacit charm]

depends

if it was 100,000km away or over the horizon

[terse lava]

Sure they can fire, but the Long Night could likely tank the hit before moving, or returning fire

[tacit charm]

ye odps are kinda screwed

if it's less than 100k

well oof that cso

[terse lava]

Also have to remember the vessel was bring considered for Red Flag

[tacit charm]

doubt

if it could

begs the question why the cso didnt just outright stream roll all of reach

[terse lava]

I am thinking maybe a single shot or two

[tacit charm]

not to mention

there do be that 100 meter deep glassing line

oof cov ships being in the megatons

so...

[tacit charm]

or it would literally get one shot

[terse lava]

Nah, covie ships exotons

[tacit charm]

man literally ignored other unsc planetary defences

yet when it came to reach the dude had to (somehow) sneak pass the od of reach

[tacit charm]

pretty sure that's beyond pathetic

[terse lava]

Well let's say he could take the entire defense set, fleets and platforms wholesale. He was on a time table to try and flee from the reinforcements arriving

[tacit charm]

man had two days to engage the odps after being revealed

yet

all those 20 odps were still up prior to the fall of reach

also

[terse lava]

Hey, covie ships can melt entire planets in older lore, in seriousness though, I am thinking even if he fought the humans, the Hierarchs would still punish him, as he was attempting to find the Forerunner capital for his own gain

[tacit charm]

the dude did basically nothing within those two days besides laying waste to some ships and be an oversized petrol station

[terse lava]

If he was attempting to aquire it for the Covenant, why the wish to flee or fear retribution?

[tacit charm]

yet in the same game it stated the cov needed 30 years to glass a planet

[terse lava]

Game? Was talking about the book

[tacit charm]

oh ik

funny how they retconned that

and subsequently glassing in general

oh i forgot to reply

[terse lava]

But yeah, the only thing that makes sense, to me at least, was Rho's personal ambition of wanting to gain thr forerunner capital for himself

[tacit charm]

the dude didnt want to be seen as incompetent in battle by the hierarchs

just saying

[terse lava]

That too

[tacit charm]

taking one of those odps would have been good enough

yet for two days the man did next to nothing

[terse lava]

But consider, if he was attempting to gain this relic for the Covenant as a whole, wouldn't such a trove easily absolve him of said incompetence

Would have been easy enough to send a message to Thel, or the Hierarchs themselves, if he sought to escape punishment that way

[tacit charm]

not being incompetent in battle would also absolve him of said incompetent too

not to mention

there's still megaton stuff for cov ships

so unless for some reason the cso is more powerful than like 99% of the cov fleet...

[terse lava]

You'd think there would be some decent forerunner augments to it

[tacit charm]

maybe there was but even with those upgrades rho still didnt want to engage the odps

[terse lava]

Well they didn't appear to expand on his character enough to figure a reason.

[tacit charm]

they expanded on the lnos by stating it was nigh invincible or something like that

[terse lava]

I met his actual character, Rho himself

[tacit charm]

then encly also stated cso intentionally wanted to avoid orbital defences

[tacit charm]

we know he's one tall as dude and maybe a bit fat

idk why they made xytan so damn skinny though

[terse lava]

I find it more amusing how young he is, 64

He's only a year older than Voro

[tacit charm]

at least both of them weigh more than 137 kg

like bruh

11ft 6in and the dude weighs less than most male elites

[terse lava]

shrug

[ocean ibex]

He should be at least 100,000 tons

[stable flower]

But can't they coexist?

[ocean ibex]

No lol

The banished on zeta halo absolutely despise humans

The banished aren’t one cohesive origanization. They’re all desperate clans

Also trying to live on a halo ring is a horrible idea in and of itself

[minor sky]

I really wish that in Halo 5 Arbiter returned the nod to Chief in the ending cutscene

[versed helm]

about the Orbital defense platforms, does the 20 ODPS on reach from the book is different than the 300 ODP on earth?

[ocean ibex]

Yes

There’s varying levels of odp power

Like the ones at reach were top of the line

[dull geode]

What's the deal with the new lone wolf season 2 armor, is it supposed to be like SPI? Doesn't have the fusion pack on it

[ocean ibex]

Not the channel for that

[dull geode]

I was asking about the lore on the new armor? Are u sure?

[sonic lagoon]

Did the UNSC ever use private contractor forces?

[gusty star]

This seems like the right channel to me

[dull geode]

Ha owned

[kind basin]

ijhu''

[scarlet hinge]

it's MJOLNIR

the best way to look at Mjolnir in the context it exists now is more like a PC, than a single unified piece of tech

a PC is just a set of specifications - you can ask five people what their PC builds are and get six answers as it's all just modular parts put together as needed

[sonic lagoon]

Did any faction use private contractors for forces?

[scarlet hinge]

Corporations do

Organisations like Liang-Dortmund have their own security forces

groups like the UNSC and CMA aren't really in the business of needing them

the Covenant granted Letters of Marque to select Kig-Yar ships and used them as state-sponsored privateers, which somewhat counts - though in a similar vein the Covenant never had a military force operated by the government - all of its military was split into a few hundred martial organisations and ministries

so in a sense the entire Covenant military was private, but that's on technicality alone as I assume you were more referring to mercenaries

[versed helm]

Halo lore nerds is a must see: https://youtu.be/cYIEUialybY

[next jacinth]

Spartan 2s will forever be better than 4s

[terse lava]

Well the 4s do have the benefit of numbers

[ocean ibex]

And 3’s are better than both

[cobalt quiver]

In New Blood. Buck said 2s were like Titans, 3s were Gods, and 4s were Hercules. What do yall think of that?

[unique rune]

It's technically inaccurate in a lot of ways but I think it's... a reasonably realistic perspective for someone to hold within the Halo universe.

[versed helm]

spartan 4s will one day surpass the 2s due to advanced modifications and more in numbers. this is kurts dream of making everyone a spartan. a spartans duty is to protect humanity.

[terse lava]

I figure at some point they will lost the number all together

[craggy sierra]

What? Spartan 2's? Yeah probably

Most of them were already dead by the times the games started

[short plank]

I’d be very surprised if the first class or two of Spartan 4s didn’t surpass the 2s given how easier they are to produce

[lilac night]

The augmentations that Spartan 4's went through were not as raw as what the Spartan 2's received. the MJOLNIR Gen 2 platform was designed with that in mind to make up for the power difference. Making an armored Spartan 4 on par with a Spartan 2 with MJOLNIR Gen 1.

[icy dirge]

What is a lore accurate version of the HUD?

[terse lava]

I would figure the one we see, in regards to spartans

[stable flower]

Gotta love how 2s were designed to fight insurrectionists but are able to easily take on Covenant, Flood, and all types of Forerunner constructs.

[versed helm]

We should get a prequel game between halo 5 and infinite

shadows of reach game version

Infinite is meh campaign wise

ai wars.

kinda reminds me of Dunes AI butler era type of machine rising up

[half apex]

No

[versed helm]

[cobalt quiver]

I wonder what a hypothetical Mark VI B would look like, considering the Mark V B

[sonic lagoon]

Would be nice.

[tacit charm]

you know what

props to guy

fine video

[tacit charm]

is there any individual s2s that is stronger than a proto s4

[next jacinth]

jorge

[tacit charm]

doubt

jorge was big sure

but we have that capability line from jun

not to mention

jorge was only wearing mark 5

[next jacinth]

well i think any spartan 2 is stronger than a spartan 4

[tacit charm]

depends which gen of s4 you're using

[next jacinth]

spartan 2 had more training and more augmentations to make them strong even without Mjolnir

spartan 4s are just marines in spartan armor

with steriods

[tacit charm]

cause for the most (idk about gamma feats) past spartan feats or pre halo 4 spartans can be applied to proto 4s

[tacit charm]

proto 4s are gigachad spartans

my internet cut out

anyways

proto 4s are legit just spartan 2s and 3s in armour but without the armour

well

proto 4

as i already stated in another server, non plural

:C damn side effects of death and/or insanity

[next jacinth]

but proto spartan 4 had less augmentations and did not have the training as a spartan 2s

[tacit charm]

Ilsa had enough training to square up with palmer

[next jacinth]

good. palmer is really bad

[tacit charm]

also the less augs statement (ill need to check that again) holds no water considering the fact that jun legit just says what i said before

[tacit charm]

rip jorge

[ocean ibex]

Will 043? Maybe

Dude fist fought a Hunter and won

[tacit charm]

didnt he also get shot afterwards

ah yes

he did

rip will

[ocean ibex]

It’s still impressive

[tacit charm]

ik

fred "shrugging" off a hunter is impressive too

[next jacinth]

anyone who fights a hunter with there bare hands and wins can fight a spartan 4

[tacit charm]

i mean

[tacit charm]

[tacit charm]

also i had to check just to make sure

the dude only ripped out the lekgolos in the hunter

while it's still cool he fought a hunter it's not THE most impressive feat

[next jacinth]

pretty smart actually hunters can't function like normal without a few lekgolod

[ocean ibex]

Except Spartans don’t fight fair

If a 4 fought a 2, then that 4 is going to pull any kind of bs he can on the 2

That’s mainly the reason why Spartans destroy high ranking elites in 1 on 1 battles

[tacit charm]

the question was "is there any individual s2 stronger than a proto 4" just fyi

i say stronger not better because of that

[tacit charm]

this

just in case anyone is confused

[next jacinth]

which is hard to say they will beat them considering the superior training and augmentations the 2s had along with the new armor that makes them even more stronger

[ocean ibex]

Oh, well then I’m out of options

Samuel?

[tacit charm]

there's also the fact the spartans for the most part held a slight edge over elites in regards to strength

[next jacinth]

elites are pretty strong in their own right

[tacit charm]

well slight is a bit debatable since it can be argued for more

but as of now

slight

[tacit charm]

depends which elite

[next jacinth]

pretty sure thel vadam killed couple 2s

[tacit charm]

man doesnt have much feats besides being allegedly one of the strongest s2s (not taking into account spartans get stronger over time) and was i guess kinda tall

[tacit charm]

he got close to being killed by a grey ill tell you that

man was just freaking out why that grey wasnt making any sound in their little struggle

[ocean ibex]

Most of the time

[next jacinth]

it would explain him getting a high rank before becoming the arbiter tho because spartans are strong and hard to kill

[tacit charm]

ye most

[ocean ibex]

There was that unnamed 2 on harvest that died fighting like 7 covenant

[tacit charm]

i would argue someone like fal the gigachad of an elite could beat any s2s he come across

[next jacinth]

what about jar watinree

[tacit charm]

meh

he's tall

[ocean ibex]

Jar is just tall

[tacit charm]

but really skinny

[ocean ibex]

^

[tacit charm]

and i mean really skinny

man for some reason only weighs 137 kgs

[next jacinth]

wasn't he the only elite the prophets feared

[tacit charm]

which is really pathetic

[ocean ibex]

Only because he was a really good admiral

[tacit charm]

politically sure

[ocean ibex]

Not because of his combat skills

[tacit charm]

and/or militarily i guess

but in terms of skills and feats

man doesnt have much feats (or any shown feats)

imo

[ocean ibex]

I doubt that honestly

[tacit charm]

fal solos

[tacit charm]

man took a 50ft hunter smack to the face

yes

ik

artistic licencing is also a thing

but the dude fought off an army as well

chad of an elite

[tacit charm]

mind you when kurt took a hunter's shield to his chest

well rip his solar plexus

[ocean ibex]

Too bad he’s dead

[tacit charm]

:C

[tacit charm]

same thing happened to john but im not sure whether the hunter was going all out on john with that casual swing or if it was just a casual swing

there's also another spartan who i forgot the name that had the same thing happening to him

[next jacinth]

what was that one arbiters name? the one that made the arbiter position a punishment and a role of shame?

[tacit charm]

i didnt mention black cause that hunter struck one of grey with its cannon and not the shield

fyi the shield weighs two tons

[tacit charm]

which one?

oh

fal

im not spelling his whole title

go way

[ocean ibex]

Spell it

[tacit charm]

[ocean ibex]

[tacit charm]

Fal 'Chavamee

[ocean ibex]

That wasn’t so hard

[tacit charm]

@ocean ibex happy?

[next jacinth]

all the arbiters names are hard to spell i swear

[tacit charm]

thank googol for that

yes i said googol and not google dont at me

[ocean ibex]

[next jacinth]

i only know thel vadam because he is the best arbiter most of us know

[tacit charm]

hence why i call most elites by their attributes and not by their full names

[ocean ibex]

Rip’a moramee glassed the grunt’s homeworld what a sigma

[tacit charm]

ik their specific "names" or titles have a meaning and/or role behind

but go way

i aint going to try and memorise some lizard's roles

[tacit charm]

he did?

i thought that was the other arbiter

hold on maybe my memory is foggy on ripa

[ocean ibex]

Nope it wasn’t ripa

Heki’Gibadee

[tacit charm]

dont jebait me on lore

[ocean ibex]

[tacit charm]

i couldnt find the necessary emoji

[ocean ibex]

Fal vs a prelate

[tacit charm]

fal

cause why not

also hunter smack

i would presume that hunter shield weighs more than 2 tons and that giga hunter had killing intent and so was not holding back

then again

my argument falls apart with artistic licencing

[ocean ibex]

Do hunters ever hold back?

[tacit charm]

[tacit charm]

depends on the circumstance

if there's a forerunner McGuffins maybe

i say maybe

cause rip those hunters that got gunned down by their squad for shooting near a forerunner McGuffin

[ocean ibex]

I would imagine getting smacked in the face by a 2 ton shield would hurt whether or not they’re holding back

[tacit charm]

didnt hurt enough to kill fal

or maybe ado was right and he barely dodged the smack but i mean..

it sure doesnt seem like he dodged it

[ocean ibex]

Major cluster headaches for the next couple of hours

[versed helm]

@tacit charm the guy has a few more if you didn’t see the other two. Part 1: https://youtu.be/cYIEUialybY

part 2: https://youtu.be/fr3tuAeGBoQ

part 3: https://youtu.be/5Fyl2EVI4VE

[tacit charm]

meh first one is good enough

already know rest of lore

ill watch it eventually

[dense falcon]

I don't remember this ever being shown or denied, but can Huragok survive in the vacuum of space?

[scarlet hinge]

uses a marathon class cruiser to represent a hillsbrough-class destroyer

nice

[scarlet hinge]

hasn't been particularly brought up, so impossible to say either way. I'd be liable to assume the pressure differentials would kill them though

they can asphyxiate if their gas bladders deflate, so it's unlikely they can survive vaccuum exposure

[versed helm]

i found a marathon class heavy cruiser ship named “Say my name” 🤣

[tacit charm]

ah yes the odst cruiser

tis very funny name lol

[stable flower]

Along with Tokyo Rules

[austere birch]

You guys think the UNSC would be able to use power seeds as a power source given how quickly humanity manages to assimilate old fore runner tech?

Or maybe reverse engineer em?

[fair hazel]

Yes

Use.

[cloud heart]

If the UNSC was capable of reverse engineering covenant tech to use for the spartan mjolnir suits and UNSC ships (like shielding), it is certainly possible for them to do the same with forerunner tech.

[stable flower]

They reverse-engineered Forerunner tech for Prefect armor IIRC

[minor sky]

(Best Halo 4 armor)

[harsh jetty]

^

[versed helm]

halo 4 looks lit indeed.

[minor sky]

Ehhhhh

Halo 4 is a mixed bag

Mostly great story, not great gameplay

Mediocre multiplayer, BTB/Squad is the best way to play it

(Dominion is great though I wish it'd come back)

[stable flower]

It's a shame that some things that were introduced in 4 were abandoned due to the fanbase

[minor sky]

I agree

Honestly, 5 just shouldn't have done Locke/Chief stuff

And just been a follow up to Halo 4

Because honestly I don't think that we needed a game about hunting down the Chief and questioning his loyalty to the UNSC right after Halo 4

Those aren't horrible ideas

They're just best saved for another time

I kinda agree with the idea that Locke would have worked better had he been introduced in Halo 4. Like I do like Locke and Osiris, I just wish they were given better treatment

[cobalt quiver]

Anyhave a nifty guide or video to explain Mjolnir generations? Not the Mark series necessarily

[sand birch]

I know that Mark V (The one in Reach and CE) was the first one to use energy shields, gameplay wise the only ones you have to use a health kit to refill health

[humble yacht]

Gen1 included the earliest iterations of the mainstream power armor as well as some of the earliest upgrades. Like mark iv, mark v, mark vi

Gen2 sought to improve upon gen1 and also reduce costs of production. Many gen2 models were outsourced to private manufacturers like Hannibal. Gen2 also saw an increase in specialized variants of mjolnir

Gen3 sought to bring back the additional defense that gen1 provided with more armor plating. It also incorporated newer technologies like onboard repair nanobots and improved shield shaping

How gen3 was produced on such a wide scale during the created uprising is beyond me

[cobalt quiver]

Well written. Thank you

[stable flower]

I say the same about the SRS99-S7

[last anchor]

Sounds like much of it was prepped before and picked up afterwards. A lot of the stuff in Infinites armory hints at lack of materials, cost-cutting measures, and surviving assets.

[cloud heart]

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGXKKatZqmc

It is pretty good. Watched it a few days ago.

[versed helm]

chiefs armour looks great in 4. and i agree with your take. i rank halo 4s story just behind 2

[sand birch]

I love Infinite’s sandbox

The grapple shot and repulsor are fun, the Skewer is an upgrade from the Splaser in every way, and AR is actually good

[minor sky]

I like how Mark V is kinda a Marathon Reference, with The Security Officer wearing Mjolnir mark IV in Marathon and then in Halo CE you're wearing Mark V

[fair hazel]

I personally prefer it over 2. 2 does have a very good story though.

[obsidian thistle]

Halo almost had very much more clearer refs.

Weapons themselves, Human and alien, used the naming schemes Marathon used in the earliest builds!

[minor sky]

Mhm

I mean for a while Bungie couldn't decide if Halo was or wasn't a part of Marathon/Pathways into Darkness' universe

[obsidian thistle]

That has no source. To my knowledge it was seperate from the start, with naming schemes being similar/same cause the guy who wrote some Halo stuff also did a few Marathon stuff aha!

[minor sky]

Iirc Jason Jones mentoned in an interview in like 2002 that they couldn't decide if Cortana and Durandal were connected or something like that

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/newmar-apr02.html

Correction: it was Alex Seropian

Alex Seropian once stated in the April 2002 issue of Xbox Nation magazine that the main character of Marathon was the first incarnation of Master Chief. He also said Cortana was linked to the storyline of the AIs from Marathon, though she did not appear herself in the franchise. Matt Soell discussed the subject with Seropian, who later clarified that he did not know the truth

[obsidian thistle]

Oh 2001-3 was the era where Bungie entertained the theoryists of HBO.

But the currently held idea is that Halo was more in spirit the next incarnation, not that they were connected.

[minor sky]

Is HBO still running?

[terse sage]

Question. Where is the rest of the UNSC during Infinite? If their biggest ship was destroyed why wasn't there a response?

[gilded mason]

The ring teleported to an unknown location when it blew. Nobody knows where they are, on the ring and off it.

[terse sage]

Also, is the Spirit of Fire still fighting in 2560?

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[terse sage]

How, they are one ship against an entire faction

[gilded mason]

Because the Banished are dumb and thus are easily matched by a single ship.

[terse sage]

fair

[ocean ibex]

Where are they getting their troops from lmao

[fair hazel]

What i wonder if when the human banished were expelled, if any of the POW were recruited by the SoF

[stable flower]

This.

How they were able to beat Infinity is beyond me

[unique rune]

With the power of years of fan complaints

[obsidian thistle]

Severely undermanned, to the point of using civilians to do stuff

Halo Infinite says it had a crew of 7,150.

To put into context why thats important, pre-2558 it had a crew of 17,151; post-2558 it had a crew of 18,262.

Infinity was severely understaffed during Infinite.

[tacit charm]

copious amount of plot contrivances and armour

[obsidian thistle]

Tbf if you were running for a year, you'd slowly lose crew to other stuff; projects, death, reallocated, just missing.

[ivory stump]

Which ships is stronger, Enduring Conviction or Infinity?

[fair hazel]

infinity

if infinity wasnt caught in am ambush, it could have destroyed the banished fleet in an actual battle

[tacit charm]

infinity

it's not even close

[ebon pike]

whats the total number of active Spartans currently?

[frigid oar]

more than 1

[brazen grail]

Plot armor.

There's no reason besides plot armor as to why the Enduring Conviction couldn't have used their torpedoes. Instead, they used Banshees which are both weaker and can be shot down.

But to be honest, that's the only route they could've taken, because there's no way that the Spirit of Fire would've lasted more than a few minutes fighting directly against the Enduring Conviction. They were probably minutes away from being obliterated just by some Banshees.

[obsidian thistle]

Vs battles never really stuck with me.

You can make anything win if you wanted.

[brazen grail]

Yeah. But it's the precedent. What irks me a bit more is that Atriox didn't send one of the Dreadnoughts or even Karves to the Ark from Escharum's fleet from the portal to destroy the Spirit of Fire. I'm pretty sure they could've done it and the Spirit of Fire wouldn't have been prepared at all. I know it's plot armor still but he talks about how his Banished forces on the Ark will hold it down and keep fighting. They wouldn't really have to keep fighting as much and he'd have the Ark to himself (besides the covenant remnants) if he just sent a Karve to the Ark.

Worrying about the same thing happening to the Karve or Dreadnought shouldn't be much of an issue if they use direct weaponry from the ship and even just ram into the Spirit of Fire. They wouldn't even have time to deploy troops to get to one of the forerunner immobilizers if that was the case. They'd be all dead before they could even do all of that

[river blade]

Will we ever see Atriox vs The Arbiter

[sand birch]

More ships. They had 3-4 of them and were ramming through it

[stable flower]

But Infinity has a small fleet inside of it so it could've evened the odds

[brazen grail]

The Banished ambushed the Infinity

Didn't give them time to deploy and prepare

[fair hazel]

I like them though some people get ridiculous. But it has to be enticing

Infinity held of mdama’s fleet for hours

[flat kernel]

I’m guessing the reason the spirit of fire was able to survive for so long (other than plot armor) was infighting in the banished.

They were warlords, and in shadows of reach, I think it was, two banished war chiefs fought each other for the honor of finding what they were after (no spoilers here).

I bet that all the new warchiefs atriox had recited had vied for the chance to take down an enemy ship, so they went one by one against the spirit of fire.

[brazen grail]

Eh there was no sign that infighting was too prominent enough to be an issue on the Ark. Atriox was there on the Ark. The infighting that took place on Reach was partially because an overseer like Escharum or Atriox wasn't directly there to keep them completely focused.

[flat kernel]

They didn’t just use teamwork between the war chiefs and overwhelming force to take down the spirit of fire because they didn’t want to share the victory.

[flat kernel]

I meant less of direct fighting each other, and more vying for higher leadership positions and trying to take glory for their own in battles, and the usual backstabbing internal politics.

[brazen grail]

That's a possibility. I think the main thing is the portal network. the UNSC crippling the portal network didn't allow the Banished to get across the Ark as easily and they were able to manage a small contingent of force allocation that was directed their way

[flat kernel]

Definitely.

[brazen grail]

The portal network is actually a decent thing that makes sense for some of the ground battle engagements, but the space combat part of it, not so much

[flat kernel]

The main reason the spirit of fire survived so long was definitely plot armor, but the banished severely underestimated them.

And wasn’t it said that the ark was so far from anything that conventional slip space travel would talk too long, so ships were reliant on the portal too?

[brazen grail]

I don't believe that the Banished arrived to the Ark via the Ark's portal

Because Isabel said that the portal was shut down and then a month later, the Banished arrived

[flat kernel]

Yeah, they got their own portal form stuff recovered on reach by banished forces in the shadows of reach novel.

[brazen grail]

That was what Atriox used to leave the Ark, yeah. But not to arrive there

[flat kernel]

I forgot about that.

How did they get to the ark?

[brazen grail]

Their ship

That's all we know

[flat kernel]

No, wait, wasn’t the whole thing about the portal is that the first one from earth to ark was made by a fancy crystal, that was then split into several pieces.

[brazen grail]

I believe that the shards allow for access to open portals, yes. I don't know about it being created though from a large piece of that shard. My knowledge is Banished stuff, not so much Forerunner stuff

[flat kernel]

I believe shadows of reach explained all of this, but I read it just long enough ago I’m staring to forget some details.

[brazen grail]

Yeah

Not entirely related, but what I do know though is that the Banished have other ships that were part of the Enduring Conviction's fleet that are said to be at other installations "near" the Ark

[flat kernel]

Huh.

I checked the halopedia page for the second battle of the ark, and it just said “Atriox arrived on the ark”

Didn’t specify how.

[brazen grail]

Yeah. The only viable explanation is the ship

[flat kernel]

Yeah.

I did some more research and it’s said somewhere atriox took a portion of the banished fleet, somehow got the location of the ark, and took an eighteen month slipspace jump to get there.

Sorry it was eight months not eighteen.

[brazen grail]

Yeah

[flat kernel]

That still leaves a lot of unanswered questions. How did he get the coordinates to the ark?

I’m guessing recovered from a forerunner facility, but where, and which one?

[brazen grail]

Not sure

[flat kernel]

These questions need to answered. We need more banished backstory.

[brazen grail]

100%

And I'm hoping the Rubicon Protocol book will give us some neat details on not just the villains obviously, but the Banished in general

[flat kernel]

Yeah. I cannot wait for the rubicon protocol. I hope it gives some vital backstory to both the banished and what happened to the infinity.

[brazen grail]

Yeah I'm sure it will

I think all of the Hand of Atriox members need more backstory for sure

The way I viewed them when they were advertising them before the game came out, I thought they were gonna be the main 4 villains, with each of them having their own sub-plots that tied into the main narrative of the game

But instead they were wasted as boss fodder with black and red coatings to make them seem "prime"

What a shame

[versed helm]

Can someone explain me the timeline between Chief's arrival on Earth and the setup of the base where he then goes? How the hell did the Arbiter, Johnson and Miranda get there even with light speed if the Chief was directly in front of the planet and basically preparing to yeet himself?

Is there a comic book or somethin' I missed? (Halo 3)

[fair hazel]

Halo uprising

John spent many days onboard the ship. The ship didn’t arrive on earth until a while after

[quick wyvern]

Remember, the Covenant during the war had MUCH better slipspace capability than even the most bleeding edge UNSC drive equipped ship. Now, Chief was ahead of Johnson and Arbiter between halo 2 and halo 3 because he was on Truth's forerunner dreadnought. This aforementioned ship was exponentially better than any covenant drive and any UNSC drive. Plus, that jump took days as said because of the sheer distance between Delta halo and Earth.

Not to mention that the writing is a little muddy as to the timelines after OPERATION: First Strike, because of time dilation caused by the forerunner crystal

[tribal escarp]

Yeah, pretty much the lesser ark installation 00 was outside of the galaxy so it took time to get there. It's not a reach to think that because humans, sangheili and the covenant all knew where the ark was the information wasn't hard for the banished to either steal the information or just acquire it from recent recruits

[stable flower]

I wonder if the Greater Ark has a designation