lore-and-universe

[terse lava]

I could be wrong

[tacit charm]

must have misremembered

[tacit charm]

heresy

[graceful jacinth]

you have point !

[terse lava]

Ah yep

23 million

[tacit charm]

if you really want to argue and have the time

[terse lava]

Almost 24

[tacit charm]

ah ha

memory can be a fickle bich but not this time

anyways

[graceful jacinth]

LOL. vandel savage, that’s Mr.Vandal Savage to you.

[tacit charm]

you could use the way back machine and find one waypoint thread that argued for elites to be in the septillion - nonillion range

was a very funny read ngl

[tacit charm]

[graceful jacinth]

you talking to me or Ado?

[tacit charm]

both i guess

[graceful jacinth]

👍

[terse lava]

I think I remember that

[tacit charm]

i mean with divine winds out now it's very unlikely that's the case (i mean you can argue it if you want since iirc the book does say "quadrillions" so... have fun i guess)

[tacit charm]

yet you couldnt remember prophet population

[terse lava]

Quadrillions is not mentioned

I did say I think

[tacit charm]

it's mentioned in divine winds

[terse lava]

In regards to the Covenant's population?

[tacit charm]

nah

galaxy pop

“Slayers of the infidel quadrillions,” ‘Gadogai said dryly. “What an honor.”

interesting use of the word "infidel"

then again this was post schism so...

[terse lava]

That from when they first meet the prelate?

[tacit charm]

you assume i fully read this book and not just watch plot summary videos on it and only skim through it for feats

[terse lava]

So, nothing than

[tacit charm]

i mean

you can check

[terse lava]

I am

[tacit charm]

just crtl + f on that pdf

[terse lava]

No? I have the book itself

[tacit charm]

why not use the stuff

[tacit charm]

it's so much easier

literally just type up 'quadrillion'

wait

could prob just post the whole quote lol

“The Faithful of the galaxy will soon know Divine Transcendence,” he
continued. “And we are the Chosen who will deliver it to them.”
“Slayers of the indel quadrillions,” ‘Gadogai said dryly. “What an honor.”
Castor bared a tusk. “Do not mourn the unbelievers.” He had seen ‘Gadogai
taunt death often enough to know he had no fear of it, so the Sangheili’s only
concern had to be the untold number of heretics who would perish when the
Halo Array was activated. “They must die so the worthy may ascend.”
“Yes. ‘The galaxy will be cleansed by a Divine Wind,’” ‘Gadogai noted,
quoting from the Psalm of the Journey. “I do remember the teachings of my
youth.”

@terse lava fyi the word quadrillion only appears once so...

[terse lava]

Ah ok

[tacit charm]

you're welcome

[terse lava]

Yep, thanks man

[graceful jacinth]

What’s everyone’s favourite weapon ?

[tacit charm]

your mum

[graceful jacinth]

Yikes how old are you doing mum jokes ? that’s old, you still mad about that Star wars comment huh ? Stay mad Star wars still trash !!

[tacit charm]

?

literally had nothing to do with the comment

just been poking your mom jokes recently

[graceful jacinth]

Sure buddy, you keep telling yourself that🥴.

[tacit charm]

ok zoomer

[graceful jacinth]

that’s you. https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

[tacit charm]

ok oomer

[graceful jacinth]

Also i’m millennial not a zoomer you just love looking stupid, don’t you ? 🥴.

[tacit charm]

ok zoomer

[graceful jacinth]

Stay mad 🤣🤣🤣

[tacit charm]

ok oomer

[graceful jacinth]

@fair hazel This is acceptable ? Where are you now ? before you were lecturing me ,Lol.

[tacit charm]

idk why you're making such a big fuss about a 'your mom' joke

[humble yacht]

Play nice. Everyone

[cobalt quiver]

How goes the Mark VI Gen 3 compare to MarkVII Gen 3? Sense they're the same Gen, are there any major differences besides cosmetic?

[humble yacht]

Probably not

[severe cosmos]

(Reach AA turret)
VK78

[terse lava]

Plasma rifle here

[stable flower]

M6G. Such a beautiful gun.

[final hound]

Okay milloomer

[final hound]

Gotta say classic assault rifle above all

Does anyone know where footage of a Covenant battlecruiser making a slipspace jump behind a UNSC ship comes from

I cant remember if it was in Halo Legends or what

But ive been trying to find this one scene where a covie ship is directly in front of a unsc one, then does a jump behind them

[gusty star]

Legends Origins II if we’re thinking of the same thing

[graceful jacinth]

that’s great one !

[graceful jacinth]

Nice !!

[final hound]

Thanks i think thats the one

[graceful jacinth]

good choice ! one my favourites too!!

[final hound]

Always loved the Covie Carbine too

Halo sandbox in general is beautiful

[graceful jacinth]

yes that’s my fav

[final hound]

🙏

[graceful jacinth]

Mine is the Pulse Carbine,Needler and the Energy Sword. i like unsc weapons too but Covenant weapons are too good !

[final hound]

Energy sword holds a special tier of awesome, gunwise id go with AR, BR, Carbine, Plasma Rifle (or Focus Rifle)

While i dont dislike infinite's sandbox, and i appreciate what they were trying to go for, i much prefer the classic style

[graceful jacinth]

good choices but not huge fan of the focus rifle!

[final hound]

But one gun from infinite i might love, aesthetically and mechanically, over any other halo gun

The stalker rifle

[final hound]

I dont like the gun mechanics but i loved the look

[graceful jacinth]

it’s an alright weapon each to their own. I miss the old weapons from halo 1 and 2

[final hound]

Same, the classic sandbox was the most beautiful

[graceful jacinth]

and little from 4

[final hound]

Hoping infinite adds some back

[graceful jacinth]

Well let’s hope once in while devs see this and our request’s don’t go on deaf ears.

[final hound]

Cant be a halo without a plasma rifle ong. The fall of the plasma rifle was deeply saddening

[graceful jacinth]

I agree

[final hound]

Idk why they keep trying to redo it in some subpar way

Plasma repeater
Pulse carbine
Storm rifle

[graceful jacinth]

pulse carbine is pretty good though.

it’s one my personal favs but that’s just me !

[final hound]

I dont mind it but i wish they stopped trying to use those to replace the classic is all

Id love to have a pulse carbine and plasma rifle for instance

[graceful jacinth]

ya fair enough !

What’s everyone think about if they did Halo game from Covenant perspective ? or Banished ? or From the Elites point of view ?

[terse lava]

It's something I have wanted since halo 2 came out, with the Arbiter missions being far more enjoyable in my opinion

[graceful jacinth]

I agree i would love that. Maybe as an Arbiter, that would be nice !

[terse lava]

Eh not another arbiter, wouldnprefer just a regular Sangheili

[gilded mason]

Same

[graceful jacinth]

fair enough !!

[graceful jacinth]

I would be satisfied with Covenant point of view preferably Elites. It can be even a prequel in btween the time line of halo 1-2 or 4 one of those.

[terse lava]

Best bet would likely be as a member of the SoS

Thougj would prefer perhaps some pre war covenant stuff

[graceful jacinth]

fair enough !

[terse lava]

Sad thing is if it was SoS, would just be a rehash of h4 and h5 fighting Jul's guys

[graceful jacinth]

If they would do something before those events would be nice.

[terse pecan]

my favorite weapon is probably the tank gun

But also I really like heavy weapons in general like the missile pod and rocket launcher

[stable flower]

It's funny how the Infinity's troops on Zeta Halo are stuck with outdated or non-standard-issue weapons, but can easily get their hands on the newer S7.

[craggy sierra]

Outdated?

[somber heath]

Yes

[stable flower]

The M41 is for sure

[somber heath]

Okay, sir

[stable flower]

MA40 assault rifle is debatable

[somber heath]

Okay, Sir ATP2555

[terse lava]

Least there is rechargeable covenant weapons

[somber heath]

Ado 'ulamee unà le?

[craggy sierra]

That's not how guns work in the Halo universe. The UNSC didn't go through 3 revisions of an AR in one year and replace it with an SMG for 2 months. All models are in active development still and used. The game's just don't include 6 different assault rifles because that'd be silly.

[somber heath]

Gran torino

[versed helm]

anyone

wants to debate why masterchief

is such a weakling?

[ebon pike]

in infinite? 4? 5? lore? show?

[versed helm]

no

he is a weakling

compared

to

kratos , doom guy and other super soldiers

[ebon pike]

obviously since you are not comparing to super soldier but rathers gods

Kratos is a God, Doom Guy is a God too

idk about other soldiers? Name them

[unique rune]

it would be nice to one day find a series without fans fixated on its powerscaling relative to other IPs

[ebon pike]

AMEN to that

[versed helm]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok you are right then

i said that because most of the halo fans are fanboys

so i was checking you guys were honest

but turns out you are

not all are dishonest..

lol

[unique rune]

I mean I just don’t really care how the Chief compares to characters from other series

[tacit charm]

i mean when you compare him to those dudes that aint really fair

esp doom slayer

[unique rune]

Like, yeah, he is weaker, but it’s not like it… matters or anything

[tacit charm]

tell that to the vs community

[ebon pike]

Vs community is bad( assume I cursed here)

[versed helm]

he is not weak he is insaley weak

btw

why is the match making in halo infinite so long

it takes like 3- 5 minutes

for a game to start

[unique rune]

And again… cool I guess? idgaf

[versed helm]

why dont you say in the full form

[ebon pike]

if you are trying to bait, you are wasting your time here

[versed helm]

i would like you to get banned lmao

[tacit charm]

i mean

i see what he's getting at

[unique rune]

k

[versed helm]

yeh ok

[ebon pike]

k

[tacit charm]

but you can also say that chief is also strong asf when compared to other fictions

[fair hazel]

@versed helm Enough.

[versed helm]

SO YOU ARE THE ADMIN?

[fair hazel]

Don't do all caps.

[versed helm]

why u getting angry

[versed helm]

those are unrealistic compared to chief. and thats not fair anyway lol

[stable flower]

Or ones fixated on killing the same enemies

[graceful jacinth]

So i tagged you yesterday that dude spartan whatever his name is, Insults people’s mother is okay ? and you keep quiet when i tagged you. But you lecture me about insulting his show. If you’re going to moderate do it correctly and fairly or not at all. Because you’re very terrible at it.

[fiery palm]

that's cool and all but like it would be plausible to have yapyap THE DESTROYER in a halo infinite DLC

it would be so awesome

it would be so cool

[tribal escarp]

Attack of the Ark DLC

[fiery palm]

they need to make it happen fr

[tribal escarp]

Yapyap is like 121 years old. He's tired of other peoples problems. He just wants golden methane

[fair hazel]

First. I was not available at the time. Second. Another mod took care of it. Third. Modmail for further questions.

[graceful jacinth]

nothing was done 🥴. So do your job ! do it fairly or not at all !

[gaunt oak]

For server moderation concerns, please message @wet locust.

[limber obsidian]

There are multiple mods for a reason. He wasn't able to do it at that time. Humble yourself.

I'm not trying to be a hero. It's called being considerate. :) People have lives, it happens.

[leaden bolt]

[fair hazel]

@graceful jacinth enough

[graceful jacinth]

LOL delets my messages

ya great moderator

[last anchor]

You know until this moment I completely forgot that the UAC was on Mars.

I was literally about to ask "does ARC have spaceships" and then I remember the first game literally takes place on a colonized Mars. HA.

Legit surprised to see this channel actually active for more than five minutes.

[stable flower]

What about Ultor?

[last anchor]

Space Magic (tm)

[terse pecan]

why is this guy still ranting about a single ur mum joke from yesterday

[humble yacht]

Don’t worry about it

[terse lava]

Weird, though speaking of chief being weak, I do wonder if the Sangheili ever allowed any of their kind augment attempts like the San'Shyuum did with the prelates

[terse pecan]

That's a nightmare, an elite zealot with Spartan-level stats

[lavish glacier]

there was jega but that was after the war

[humble yacht]

Wouldn’t say that’s the same thing as those were cybernetic prostheses made to replace lost limbs

It’s not like he had a complete muscular and skeletal overhaul

[gusty star]

We don’t know for sure if that was after the war

[cobalt quiver]

What historical warriors do Elites and Brutes most closely resemble? Such as vikings, samurai etc

[gilded mason]

Elites are mostly knights and vikings

Brutes have some Roman and barbarian stuff

[stable flower]

Jackals are pirates, Prophets are religious monks, and IDK what Grunts and Drones are

[terse lava]

Peasants and bugs

@gilded mason even more so with knights, when you remember CE Sangheili heads were fully armored. There was no exposure like in 2 onwards

[versed helm]

operation trebuchet is really good. need more info tho

[cosmic haven]

😮

[manic halo]

[slow rose]

They was def more samurai to me

[fair hazel]

In all of the halo lore

[dawn knot]

They were moreso forrest gump in vietnam to me

[versed helm]

The flood is the black plague

[lost stream]

Are the Banished Dreadnaughts bigger than the Infinity?

[fair hazel]

No.

2665 meters long

[lost stream]

Thanks.

[stable flower]

What's bigger? A Brigantine or the Infinity?

[gilded mason]

Brigantine seems to be the same length, as well as having a greater overall volume

[turbid coyote]

[near tide]

Brutes Vikings or fantasy orks

Elites are knights

[gritty gazelle]

Unless you’re brain dead nobody would say that at least make it a somewhat close match with someone else

[sour igloo]

Why don't we have prelates in the Halo games?

I didn't even know about them until i searched them up because of your message

[gilded mason]

Because they were more thought up after Halo 3, and at that point, they're not exactly ubiquitous.

[unique rune]

Presumably because no one ever thought to implement them in a game, especially since they weren’t very well defined outside of “they exist” and weren’t relevant to anything for like a decade

[sour igloo]

Su are they relevant now

[unique rune]

Not especially

[sour igloo]

I haven't played any 343 halo games

Played all bungie ones

• Halo wars

Halo wars introduced newer things

Like the vehicles

Elephant and all

[gilded mason]

Elephant was introduced in 3

[unique rune]

Some have popped up in books ‘n stuff but up until the Shadow of Intent novella the only time Prelates were mentioned was a decade before in the H2 map pack

[gilded mason]

Ye

[sour igloo]

Really?

I don't remember it in 3

Which mission

[unique rune]

Multiplayer map Sandtrap only

[gilded mason]

The MP map Sandtrap

[sour igloo]

Oh ok

I haven't played mp

[gilded mason]

Huh.

[sour igloo]

It's confusing in mcc

I'm figuring it out

[terse lava]

Halopedia could likely help you out

https://www.halopedia.org/

[ocean ibex]

Where was the epsilon Eridani fleet during the mission long night of solace?

[gilded mason]

https://www.halopedia.org/Epsilon_Eridani_Fleet

On July 24, the Fleet of Valiant Prudence, a Covenant advance force spearheaded by the Sh'wada-pattern supercarrier Long Night of Solace, made an incursion on the planet. There were few vessels available to engage the Covenant in this timeframe; sixty percent of the fleet had to be recalled to Reach on August 13, with the reinforcements not expected to arrive for two days. This delay led Spartan NOBLE Team and the UNSC Savannah to attack the supercarrier in Operation: UPPER CUT, which destroyed the both Long Night of Solace and the Ceudar-pattern heavy corvette Ardent Prayer.

[ocean ibex]

Oh I totally forgot the unsc didn’t have the ships on hand to directly engage it

The savannah sacrificed itself for no reason

[tacit charm]

literally one odp round would have gutted that supercarrier if it had ever gotten into the range of those twenty 51 gigaton odps

mega oof for jorge

[sour igloo]

Btw

Which books cover chief between halo ce and 2
And between 2 and 3?

And any that tell his story after 3?

[gilded mason]

1. Book, First Strike
2. Comic, Uprising (not very good)
3. Comic, Escalation (A few bad issues); Comic, Tales from Slipspace (one short); Book, Bad Blood; Book, Shadows of Reach

[sour igloo]

Damn

All these before 2?

[gilded mason]

I posted numbers in the order of your questions

[sour igloo]

Oh ok thanks

Which is your favourite comic in Halo?

And favourite book

[gilded mason]

The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor

[gilded mason]

Either Broken Circle or Shadow of Intent

[sour igloo]

Hmm, on Goodreads the highest rated ones are Eri Nylund's and other's are a little behind. Are they too niche to get that rating? Are they all worth reading or some should be better skipped?

[tacit charm]

i like shadow of intent cause joseph stathten just for some funny reason stated macs are hypersonic

[gilded mason]

You're really obsessed with MACs, huh.

[tacit charm]

it might surprise you that im not

[gilded mason]

I don't believe you. 😌

[tacit charm]

it's just these damn figure lead me to another piece of the puzzle

[tacit charm]

your mum believed me

[flint geyser]

Damn it Dreggman.

[last anchor]

Does anyone have an image of the Grappleshots trailing wire handy? It’s braided right, not a solid strand?

I’m trying to get a sense of how much force it’s launch gives and if it could be used as an impromptu weapon

It should be, it’s a heavy metal chunk on the end of a wire, momentum and gravity work

[unique rune]

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/3/35/HINF_Grappleshot_stuns_Brute_warrior.png/1600px-HINF_Grappleshot_stuns_Brute_warrior.png

Yeah, it's braided.

If not for gameplay I'm sure it'd probably put a hole in a soft target easily.

[ocean ibex]

Yeah long night of solace in general made zero sense like why did the savannah decide it was a good idea to broadside a covenant corvette

[trim spear]

i thought the savannah was distracting the corvette to take some heat off the boarding team

[ocean ibex]

Still it wasn’t a good idea to stick around though, the whole plan was kind of a mess considering noble 6 and the sabers already blew out the ships engine

[terse lava]

They were trying to disengage when they were too heavily damaged, as they had to wait for Jorge to board

[dawn lance]

HALO PRIMORDIUM SPOILERS AHEAD.

Hey I have a question. I just got done reading halo primordium. First off the ending was heart breaking. But it left on a little bit of a cliff hanger. So we found out that ||Chakas|| is guilty spark. And that the ||monitor memory core died.|| But the ||science team|| was able to save ||his data|| by overriding the ||ships ai.|| I really want to know what happens next to ||guilty spark.|| I know he becomes an ||armiger|| by reading the forums. But what book continues ||guilty sparks|| story. Please @ me to get my attention. Thanks!

[gilded mason]

Rion Forge's trilogy. So Smoke and Shadow, Renegades, and then Point of Light.

[dawn lance]

Do you think I will be safe to skip the other books and go straight to those. I have already read cryptum, primordium, and fall of reach. I have Silentium coming in the mail tomorrow.

[gilded mason]

Yeah, that trilogy is fairly self-contained

[dawn lance]

Alright thanks!

[dawn lance]

@gilded mason I’m looking at smoke and shadow and it says it is only 98 pages. Does it tell a lot of important stuff though?

[gilded mason]

Not a lot, but it gives some amount of context to later stuff

[dawn lance]

Alright

[last anchor]

Smoke and Shadow was an e-book first so its technically a short story

They included it in Fractures if Im not mistaken.

[terse lava]

That they did

[ocean ibex]

Wasn’t Jorge already on the corvette when the savannah went broadside

[terse lava]

Yes, but he arrived mere moments before the frigate went down@ocean ibex

[minor sky]

I still think the Brute's planet being blown up was dumb

[minor sky]

So whats the second betrayal in "Two Betrayals"

[gilded mason]

I guess it could be, like, Spark betrays you, and you betray Spark.

[terse lava]

Pretty much yeah

Could also, I suppose, be a reference to Bungie's original idea of Cortana going mad with power while in the control room.

[stable flower]

All to turn the Banished into Covenant 2.0

[terse lava]

Is rather unfortunate, but its that classic question, can you have Halo without the Covenant?

[trim spear]

yes

as long as they consist of all the covenant species ofc

[terse lava]

That is again, just the Covenant

The question boils down to, can you have Halo without facing off against the Covenant races

[minor sky]

Yeah. Tbh I'm glad they didn't

Would have just been another Tycho/Durandal

[terse lava]

They didn't, 343 did with this stuff

[trim spear]

yeah ik lolol

[minor sky]

So this is probably a dumb question, but Sanghilos (probably not how its spelled but whatever) isn't just a mostly desert planet, yes?

[ocean ibex]

Yes and no, most of the surface is covered by water but most of the land is desert

[gilded mason]

A lot of the inner portions of the continents are more desert-like, yeah

[ocean ibex]

most of the populace live on islands or on the coast

Does anyone feel like the silent shadow are way too overhyped? Like they killed a couple headhunter squads but they also got destroyed by 14 year old Spartan 2’s very quickly

[trim spear]

werent the headhunters spartan 3s?

[ocean ibex]

Yup

What about it

[fair hazel]

Spartan-IVs too...

the ones they killed were IIIs though in the short story

[brazen grail]

I just don't think we've seen enough from them to assess the extent of their capabilities

[ocean ibex]

I haven’t seen anything that puts them above elite generals in terms of skill

[brazen grail]

Fair, but there's not much to go off of

A book and a short story, really

Wasn't the idea of the silent shadow put out there in like 2017 or something?

When we first saw it pop up

And they've only ever been in a handful of media

[ocean ibex]

I think it was around 2016-17 yeah

Also atriox casually destroyed like 2-3 of them too

[brazen grail]

He didn't fight them. He convinced them to join

[ocean ibex]

I forgot which book was that from again?

[brazen grail]

Not a book. A comic

The Hunting Party

From Tales From Slipspace

[terse lava]

Yep, seemed pretty good

[brazen grail]

Man we haven't gotten a halo comic in a while

[terse lava]

Best one in my opinion was Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor

One of several in the Halo Graphic Novel

[brazen grail]

Rise of Atriox was good

I just like all the Banished stuff

[terse lava]

Yeah but that was a series

[brazen grail]

I know

[terse lava]

And ultimately irrelevant

[gilded mason]

Was completely out of sync with Atriox's portrayal everywhere else.

[terse lava]

^

[brazen grail]

Hey you take that back

[terse lava]

I will not

Look at how he's shown there, almost kind, protecting his men, bringing others into the fold with words

[brazen grail]

To a degree. When Shadows of Reach came out, with them saying Atriox hated humans, for sure. But they fixed that with Divine Wind

[terse lava]

Now compare that to Halo Wars 2 and infinite, where he comes off as a stereotype Jiralhanae warlord

[brazen grail]

It's probably because he had to be more approachable in the early days in order to grow. Now that it's been a decade, the Banished is self-sufficient.

Lots of media always mention how the Banished is always rapidly growing

[gilded mason]

Nah, even before then

Was out of sync with HW2

[brazen grail]

I feel there's always gonna be discrepancies with that kind of stuff though. Cutscenes generally are straightforward and meant to be about the cool factor

Comics are where they can dive into the character more

And books

[gilded mason]

I'm talkin' about the phopenix logs mainly, since it's not like Atriox even had a real character shown in HW2 otherwise

[terse lava]

@brazen grail its not that he had to appear more approachable, he sought to create something new, as he saw the Covenant as tyrannical

[brazen grail]

In what fashion? I don't remember Atriox's portrayal in the phoenix logs to be vastly different

[gilded mason]

Basically it was revealed:

Kidnapped grunts to force them into his army
Let his Grunts get casually murdered by his own brutes without doing anything to stop it
Have suicide Grunts in his army
Put Huragok under constant physical torture
Let Decimus put Sangheili on suicide missions
Literally brand members of the Banished
Kill Lekgolo in droves to have an increase in Scarab attack power

[brazen grail]

Oh you mean that

Well as for the grunts, it's pretty much always like that

Huragok are probably just seen as machines with flesh

[trim spear]

Can't have your bad guy be too bad ya know

[terse lava]

Hexk, Halo Wars 2 would have been an interesting way to introduce them in a better light. Spare the humans on the ark, rather than straight up kill them. We see according to the Phoenix logs that episode was clearly disliked and frowned on by the Sangheili

[gilded mason]

Atriox in RoA talked big about free will and never forcing anyone to their deaths or doing anything they didn't want to do.

He was completely unlike HW2 Atriox

[brazen grail]

Well yeah that's one of the big differences for sure.

[gilded mason]

Yes, was why I said it was out of sync

[brazen grail]

It's probably still explainable though

Just not ideal

Probably something like Atriox didn't want to have to capture grunts and put them into his army but in order to grow, grunts were a necessity and all those grunts he captured anyway were surely going to die. He probably just used them as access to breeding chambers to continue growing

[gilded mason]

Sounds like the exact thing he was arguing against in RoA

[terse lava]

Indeed, there is the famous scene where Decimus wants to use a device to mimic Yanme'e queen clicks to control them. Atriix crushed it. Saying those who joined would do so out of free will, and knowing they would fight for him, because he would fight for them

[gilded mason]

Yup

[brazen grail]

Little do we know he forgot to exclude Grunts from the equation

[gilded mason]

And then the last issue beat ya over the head with that kind of thing

[brazen grail]

There you go. That's the workaround

[terse lava]

Funny enough. The encyclopedia does address that, for the Unggoy majors. They are trained properly to be brave and their families are compensated with money if they happen to perish.

[brazen grail]

Oh that's true

[gilded mason]

Lucky for majors

Too bad about lower ranks, eh? lol

[terse lava]

It seems to be they realized they made comic Atriox too decent, thus why now you have various clans as working under the blanket of the Banishdd, thus excusing the mistreatment

[brazen grail]

"You've got nowhere else to go so you're being drafted into the Banished. Here's a big bag of money for your family if you die so it's all good"

[gilded mason]

Of course, that also brings out a big question.

"Why does Atriox allow such a disparity of evil and abuse within the Banished?"

Very "Covenant" of him

[brazen grail]

It's a huge excuse for sure

[terse lava]

They are also inventived with making a name for themselves like you'd see from a viking

[brazen grail]

"Different clans do things differently"

Some clans allow humans, others don't

Some members don't mind Elites, others despise them

[terse lava]

Pretty much

[gilded mason]

Good ol' Atriox, not carin' if other Banished clans act worse than the Covenant did. 😏

[brazen grail]

You could say that the Banished is at a point to where at least some misgivings don't reach Atriox's eyes and ears

[gilded mason]

Outside of RoA, we were given no indication he even cared.

[brazen grail]

If it was small scale Banished where he was directly leading all his troops on the battlefield, he would see it. But he has a big inner circle that command commanders that command different groups

[gilded mason]

Sounds like that makes him a bad leader.

[brazen grail]

Not at all. It just means the Banished is really big now

And it means that some commanders under him are purposely keeping things on the down low

Such as deploying spec ops elites to eliminate rivals

Discretely

[unique rune]

I'm waiting for the reveal that "Atriox" is just like three different Brutes working in the same role and making sure to never appear in the same room together

[gilded mason]

If his own lieutenants like Decimus can get away with it, that doesn't bode well for Atriox's perception.

[brazen grail]

Atriox is a god to the Banished

That's his perception

[gilded mason]

Not that definition of perception

the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses

[brazen grail]

Oh you mean that kind of perception

[gilded mason]

Yes. His situational awareness.

[brazen grail]

I think it's at a point where Atriox is just concerned with results

[gilded mason]

So, out of sync with RoA

[brazen grail]

At this point, yes

But not everything is out of sync

His charisma is still there like in the totems you come across in Infinite. It inspires the rest of the Banished

Atriox does believe in what he says. But it's up to the others to actually follow it to the fullest

Over all else, and I believe Atriox basically says it, that they are free

And them being free and them doing what they want rules over all else

[gilded mason]

Then he's quite deluded.

[brazen grail]

I think Atriox's viewpoint of the Banished now is with priority of the Jiralhanae above all else. Because if the Banished imposes subjugation to certain degrees, contrary to RoA, then being free of subjugation applies to the Jiralhanae first and foremost

And what he's preaching is a Jiralhanae-first mindset

Especially after Doisac

[ocean ibex]

The banished are tiny in the scale of galactic powers

[brazen grail]

Additionally, it's a meritocracy mindset. It's not like the Grunts are stuck to be nothing but cannon fodder forever. There are higher places for the Grunts in the Banished if the Grunts are willing to prove their worth. BipBap and Briglard are such examples of competent grunts

[ocean ibex]

The unsc would’ve crushed the banished were it not for Cortana and her guardians

[brazen grail]

Compared to the covenant? Sure. But the encyclopedia actually says that the Banished has a "presence formidable on a galactic scale"

Very first page of the Banished section

[humble yacht]

because they consolidated several of the covenant remnant factions under their banner

though that ultimately led to infighting

[brazen grail]

To a degree, yes

But the only real case we've seen of that so far has been with Deukalion and Ballas

And I believe those were pre-established clan-related things

[humble yacht]

Castor betrayed Atriox directly

[brazen grail]

Well that was bound to happen

[humble yacht]

and so did that ex-silent shadow guy

[ocean ibex]

I highly doubt atriox could build a galactic presence within the span of a decade

[brazen grail]

You're technically correct with Castor and Gadogai. But that's not a huge example though because Castor only had like 20 troops left with him when he betrayed the Banished

[brazen grail]

It says that they have a presence formidable on a galactic scale right there in the encyclopedia

Their words, not mine

[humble yacht]

atriox had the benefit of using preexisting infrastructure left behind by the covenant

"galactic scale" is a pretty ambiguous statement. At face value it really just means that they're in multiple locations throughout the galaxy, but that doesn't mean they cover as much territory as the Covenant or even the UNSC

[ocean ibex]

Most likely just the Orion arm

[brazen grail]

Of course not. But it's meant to say that they're not a small faction anymore as originally depicted in HW2

[ocean ibex]

As neither the covenant nor the unsc have ever expanded beyond that point

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[minor sky]

Ah. Ngl, that feels a little underwhelming for "the homeworld of the elites"

[humble yacht]

harsh worlds generate harsh species

[brazen grail]

But they actually covered their bases in HW2 even when we thought the Banished was small, because one of the phoenix logs essentially said that Atriox has forces across the orion arm of the galaxy executing different phases of his plans

[humble yacht]

atriox is a master tactician and could likely get alot done with even a relatively small force

the great thing about guerilla tactics is that you don't need a large force to cause damage, and you can have multiple small groups moving fast and hard simultaneously

[minor sky]

Fair enough

[humble yacht]

at the very least, we know that atriox left Escharum behind when he went to the ark

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[minor sky]

Didn't the Brutes nuke themselves back to the stone age or something?

[brazen grail]

Yes.

[minor sky]

Sorry my bad

[ocean ibex]

If the unsc actually considered the banished as a notable threat they would’ve been wiped out in a heartbeat

[brazen grail]

They were too busy fighting the covenant to focus on the Banished

[minor sky]

Shame they blew up doisac, would have been cool to see that planet

In non-EU stuff

[brazen grail]

And then remember, the Banished started to really grow after the covenant fell

[ocean ibex]

I’m talking post war

[brazen grail]

Well yeah but post war, the UNSC isn't just fighting one thing anymore

[humble yacht]

the banished operate in such a fashion that they wouldn't get wiped out in one go

[brazen grail]

Prometheans, Jul Mdama's covenant, Banished, etc.

[humble yacht]

that's how they survived the covenant

poking the bear and running before they could hit back

[brazen grail]

That's also true. And the galaxy is a big place.

Atriox was able to grow in size rapidly yet fairly discretely

[ocean ibex]

The only reason the banished survived was because the covenant didn’t take them seriously

If the covenant did the same genocidal campaign they did on humans then the banished would’ve been destroyed in a couple weeks

[humble yacht]

the covenant's attention was divided which atriox capitalized on because he's smart

[brazen grail]

You can send 100 people to try and hunt down a rat but when you're trying to hunt down a rat that's good at hiding and it could be anywhere within 100 miles, those 100 people can only do so much

[amber jewel]

how strong is humanity still post infinite?

[brazen grail]

Not sure exactly, but I don't think they're doing too great. The Created definitely put them in check

[amber jewel]

what is the created

[humble yacht]

everybody suffering from the after effects

[craggy sierra]

Everyone's not doing great, except the grunts.

[brazen grail]

The Prometheans. Cortana

The Guardians

[craggy sierra]

When we getting Grunt Rebellion 2?

[brazen grail]

All the species and AI that pledged to Cortana

[amber jewel]

should i ask in #485883236430512168 about what cortana and the guardians did

[humble yacht]

no

just go play halo 5

[amber jewel]

ok what did cortana do

[humble yacht]

ez

[brazen grail]

YapYap when?

[humble yacht]

she took over the galaxy

[amber jewel]

why

[gilded mason]

Because she wanted to rule it

[amber jewel]

so she turned out evil

[brazen grail]

Cause she wanted peace across the galaxy

[humble yacht]

"evil" is an oversimplification

[amber jewel]

well

[brazen grail]

Yeah. Her plan was with good intentions in truth but what she did to get there and maintain it, not so much

[amber jewel]

how did she get stopped

[humble yacht]

play infinite

to find out

[brazen grail]

Yeah

[amber jewel]

i still have to get around to that

[humble yacht]

||imo it was not a satisfying end but whatever||

[amber jewel]

how long will it be before a continuation of halos story

[humble yacht]

nobody knows

[gilded mason]

Unknown

[amber jewel]

thats what i thought

[brazen grail]

||I'm just glad that she got what was coming to her tbh after what she did to Doisac||

[amber jewel]

how many unsc ships are left

[gilded mason]

An amount

[brazen grail]

Lol

[amber jewel]

did the infinity get destroyed

[gilded mason]

Maybe

[humble yacht]

nah it was lame. first of all blowing up the planet didn't fit her m-o from Halo 5. secondly it was a pretty empty end because they didn't explain why she had to blow herself up

would have been much cooler if that fragment the weapon absorbed in the beginning was like a virus that slowly took her over resulting in reconstitution of cortana

[amber jewel]

should i play every halo game in order

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[amber jewel]

how much of the story will i learn

[gilded mason]

An amount

[humble yacht]

at some point you gotta stop asking questions and just play the games

[gilded mason]

^

[amber jewel]

i do not have the time to play all the games

[humble yacht]

the best experience is first hand experience

the games aren't that long

nobody's saying play every halo by next week, just get started

[gilded mason]

Yeah, you'd be able to get through each in several hours

[brazen grail]

My original idea on what they could've done with Cortana is make her have the logic plague but still have all of the control she had. She'd power everything off, prevent people from leaving and some from fighting back, and the flood would swoop in and consume everything easier. It'd make a bad situation even worse

[humble yacht]

nah. if nothing else i'm glad they didn't go logic plague route

[gilded mason]

No logic plague please.

Yeah

[amber jewel]

what is logic plague

[humble yacht]

but they kinda went "no route" instead

lol

[gilded mason]

It's perfectly fine to just go "Her rampancy twisted her previous personality."

[humble yacht]

yea but i'd like for them to have said that explicitly

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[brazen grail]

I just think it would've been interesting to see what the galaxy had to deal with if they went that way

[humble yacht]

because as things stand now, how do we know the weapon won't eventually turn out like her?

and it's kinda lame that the moral of cortana's story is that she was a victim of her experiences

[fair hazel]

Well.. a lot of the actions and things she did were risks.

[humble yacht]

it's not her fault all that bad stuff happened to her. people go through trauma all the time and without help they can be doomed, but with help they can be beter

[fair hazel]

And, there were consequences to those risks

[gilded mason]

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised they had her do that to Doisac while also trying to give her a kind of sympathetic end.

[fair hazel]

That made me cry

[humble yacht]

it was a dumb plot point

[brazen grail]

Such as her decision with Doisac. She regretted it because it ultimately put her in that situation where she got cornered

[brazen grail]

I had no sympathy for her after that

[fair hazel]

I mean things like being left in the control room, deciding to stay behind on high charity, staying alive

[humble yacht]

it didn't fit her goal, first of all. and ultimately a pretty shallow reason to get her cornered. which they never explained how the weapon "locked her down" in the first place

staying alive
imagine trying to blame a sentient being for wanting to live, smh

[fair hazel]

I meant the give me that chip scene

[humble yacht]

every risk she put herself through was also for the good of humanity or chief

[fair hazel]

It was, but they were risks

[humble yacht]

i shouldn't be surprised that a linda lover would be so callous

😔

[fair hazel]

Whaaat

[humble yacht]

you heard me

or, read me

[brazen grail]

Still don't get how that's the case, yet she deployed promethean forces to fight Chief for some reason

[humble yacht]

post death cortana is different from pre death cortana

i'm talking about the risks she took that ultimately led to her becoming what she was in 5

[brazen grail]

Oh

Idk. It's all just a bit of a mess

[humble yacht]

it didn't have to be. i think h5 had an ok idea but didn't explain it thoroughly enough, but that doesn't mean they should have scrapped it they way they did in infinite

i wish 343 had been more confident in what they were setting up with h5

[brazen grail]

Yeah for sure. I wouldn't have minded the whole Created route in full effect

[fair hazel]

instead of swept away

[brazen grail]

But they switched it up. In the end, I'm happy they put the Banished in because I'm of the belief that the Banished is the greatest thing 343 has created

[humble yacht]

meh

[brazen grail]

That's just me

[humble yacht]

they're just Covenant but extra to me

[fair hazel]

I much rather wrap it up better and explore created better before moving on to bansiehd

[humble yacht]

how many different ways can you present the same alien enemies before it gets old

[brazen grail]

With how they're portrayed in Infinite, yeah. Even uses covenant colors and all that. I get why, but I wouldn't blame people for calling them the covenant but red

[humble yacht]

"these aliens are religious, but these aliens are pirates!"

[fair hazel]

I wish they used more of the red though

[brazen grail]

100% and I would've like to have seen some more of the HW2 designs

HW2 had some fantastic designs

[humble yacht]

i'm also tired of the power creep. first it was the precursors, now people are saying that the domain predates the precursors so there must have been something that made it before they were around, when does it end?

next it's gonna be something that made whatever made the precursors

the maker's maker's makers

[fickle quest]

I have a question about the M35 Cougar
The wiki says it's 20m long, 10m wide, and weighs 104 tonnes, yet it also says it's well suited to operating in "occupied urban terrain"
Wouldn't that thing not even be able to turn in a city?

It's so incredibly big for the role

[humble yacht]

18 wheelers can operate in cities

[fickle quest]

Why is an IFV almost twice the size of the MBTs?

[ocean ibex]

The domain doesn’t predate the precursors

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[humble yacht]

CIA would disagree with you

[ocean ibex]

What does he have to say about it

[terse lava]

Besides, its never outright said the domain was created by them. Its said they used it, sheathed it i. Their unbreakable technology

[humble yacht]

something something the gravemind said that the precursors found the domain and it already had knowledge in it

[terse lava]

Its said that there was knowledge within that predated the formation of stars, and admitted even it didn't understand it anymore than the copy of Fortchencho, the Lord of Admirals, told the Librarian on Earth

[humble yacht]

"the formation of the stars" would be the big bang

predating the big bang would suggest a cyclical time stream

[ocean ibex]

On halopedia it states that the domain was created by the precursors 500 million years before the collapse of the forerunner empire

[obsidian thistle]

Thats something I need to fix

[humble yacht]

CIA is a halopedia admin

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obsidian thistle]

I have the issue fixed on the timeline lol

[humble yacht]

halopedia can only present info as it exists at the time

as canon is updated it can change how things were previously described

it's like how people used to think the sun revolved around the earth

[obsidian thistle]

And it relies on its editors updating the wiki. (And me having free fime to do it lol)

But a big note is. The domain contains information a hundred billion years old. Which is... (checks irl notes) older than "our" universe if we use real life to some degree.

[ocean ibex]

So would it be reasonable to assume that the universe within the halo universe is also 100 billion years old

[humble yacht]

if the halo timeline is cyclical then maybe the domain contains/contained knowledge from the previous time cycle

[obsidian thistle]

This however is version 0.8c of my "Distant past" page. Version 0.9 is set to fix some glaring issues, tie the pages neater together. But it helps a lil with sources here

https://www.halopedia.org/Distant_past#Hundred_billion_years_ago

[obsidian thistle]

A further question would be how did the Domain survive (seriously its legit terrifying how eerie that is. Maybe it can "delete" entire universes and big bang them back again)

[humble yacht]

I doubt the domain itself would be capable of that

[obsidian thistle]

Tbf we know frighteningly little about why the domain exists, its purpose, who made it, and what it can do outside what was allowed by its caretakers.

I been theorizing that perhaps being a data reserve and communication network is only a small fraction of what it can do.

That said it survived a big bang event. That is still very interesting indeed.

[humble yacht]

Well it’s not that surprising considering that the Big Bang really only was a special event. Something outside of normal spacetime like the domain could just sit back and watch

[obsidian thistle]

True. That is a good point.

I will say if the Precursors did create the Domain. They were essentially eldritch gods at that point and the Forerunners killing them all with the tech they seemingly had at the time seems way less realistic the more you think about it.

[humble yacht]

Who knows

[obsidian thistle]

If the "Precursors" could create stuff that could essentially witness the big bang. It would imply they also did the same thing and survived the big bang. Which then begs the question why did the Precursors not do that same thing to just escape the Forerunners.

So least be said I am very "The domain aint a Precursor creation". XD

[bitter oar]

iirc the precursors had the ability to survive the forerunner genocide, but decided not to

[obsidian thistle]

Some did try and hide though

[bitter oar]

it was due to them wanting to experience all aspects of life or smth

[bitter oar]

yeah

[obsidian thistle]

(For the record I dub the Domain isnt a Precursor construct discussion/theory "the primogenitor theory". Cause that gotta sorta ring to it.)

[ocean ibex]

My take is that the domain is something that is inherently apart of our universe, it was created as soon as the universe was born

[obsidian thistle]

Hard to explain away that hundred billion years.

If we take the irl 13.8 billion years our universe has existed for.

Its why that "hundred billion years" line is so interesting in Silentium

[humble yacht]

Could have just been gravemind lying for all we know

[versed helm]

much older since the precursors existed long before the universe

[humble yacht]

That’s not what was said about the precursors

What’s been said about them is that they seeded multiple galaxies with life. Not that they predate the galaxies themselves

[stable flower]

So whatever happened to the Janus Key?

[terse lava]

Taken away by a contender class forerunner ancilla after Halsey tried to hack it

[ocean ibex]

again, it’s possible that the halo universe’s Big Bang occurred 100 billion years ago

[terse lava]

Said AI was also in charge of guarding the absolute record

[obsidian thistle]

I'm 90% sure 343i aint gonna re-write that portion of universal history.

[ocean ibex]

There’s no evidence stating the universe isn’t 100 billions years old. Nobody has a clue on what the domain actually is so anything is a possibility

[terse lava]

There is nothing stating the universe is that old either. Simply that the amount of knowledge gathered could equal 100 billion years

[obsidian thistle]

"We are your children, Librarian. But we are also their children. And what they learned across many billions of years they stored in this galaxy. We do not know where. The Gravemind tells us something impossible to understand-that most of what has been gathered comes from before there were stars. We do not believe in such a time, but the Mind insists ... The life-patterns and living wisdom of a hundred billion years."

Hmmm

I believe its legitimately talking about a hundred billion years based on how that says it. Why say "We do not believe in such a time" if it wasnt?

[terse lava]

I do wonder if that could refer to the Precursors having gathered knowledge from other universes

[obsidian thistle]

Well nothing says the Precursors didnt use the Domain to get really advanced fast.

I'd reckon they would of used it to learn stuff from the previous cycle.

[terse lava]

Perhaps, while they originally came from our universe finding the domain allowed them to gain a greater understanding of the universe around them, even as it was shaped

[obsidian thistle]

Hmmm I'd reckon the Precursors were one of the first to evolve in the universe than them coming from another. But I suppose nothing stops them as long as its not a hundred billion and just billions. So if 13.9 is that billions then I suppose it works.

But I personally think its way simplier to just make the Precursors a species that evolved and found the domain. And that elevated the species.

[ocean ibex]

Did 343 intend for the domain to be a precursor construct or did they leave that open for speculation

[obsidian thistle]

They suprisingly left it open. Or say it vague enough to not be as definitive on the subject (talking about you Halo: Warfleet).

Most sources even omit the Precursor element in favor of focusing on the Forerunner side of it. And we deffo know the Forerunners didnt make it

[ocean ibex]

Can you link what warfleet has to say about the domain

[tacit charm]

Yet for some reason there's evidence for a multiverse existing

Tks bear

[foggy verge]

Where's that?

[tacit charm]

From your mum

Silentium

Very interesting tidbit about star roads

[last anchor]

Also the Forerunners use nacient universes to power vaccum energy collectors if Im remembering right.

[tacit charm]

they did

you remembered right

[unkempt spruce]

bruh what happened to Jun after reach

[minor sky]

He went to work with Oni

Notably helped form the Spartan IV program

[obsidian thistle]

The exact wording is this from the Glossary.

Self-aware Precursor knowledge network used by the Forerunners to document, transmit, and interpret all information and personal memory in their galaxy-spanning realm. It was the soul and record of the Forerunners, the sum of all they knew and had experienced.

That doesnt say they made the Domain. It says what the Precursors used it as then goes onto the way more important for the context of the book Forerunners relevance.

Some assume it saying Precursor knowledge network means they made it. But plenty sources call it a Forerunner thing also. So its not really proof, especially with sources keeping the mystery of the domain.

(Why keep it a mystery if its really precursor)

[minor sky]

What's you guys' opinion on Spartan Ops story?

[trim spear]

i forgot that existed

[versed helm]

pretty ok. just disappointed that they concluded the device that the librarian give to halsey in a comic

i like thorn and palmer in spartan ops cutscenes

also lasky

[minor sky]

I honestly think that Spartan Ops would have been better had it just been a normal campaign style thing with an emphasis on co-op

Instead of "firefight but less fun and not as engaging"

[obsidian thistle]

If they were members, they are none we know. Could be the og members if 343i wanna go that route. But honestly now its likely those arnt canon in the form we see them there.

[normal sage]

[obsidian thistle]

Oh of course aha! Rosenda-A344 got saved from canon purgatory also. Though is essentially in the same area Nicole is atm.

[ocean ibex]

what do you think 343’s intentions are regarding the domain

I think they should go the easy route and just outright state that it’s precursor construct

[obsidian thistle]

Open threads are something that can be pulled later.

Tying them up with the easy route would remove any opportunity to do anything really interesting or cool with it.

[versed helm]

emile too salty towards insurrectionist

[maiden breach]

Last Sky Marshal link doesn’t work…

[normal sage]

[tight wing]

Hey guys

I just finished The Cole Protocol yesterday and I have a question

At the epilogue in the end, Thel informs Lak that he was given a cruiser that was part of the Fleet of Particular Justice

"I was given a cruiser to command with this fleet"

I'm confused. Wasn't he the fleetmaster of Fleet of Particular Justice (FPJ)? Or I'm guessing this is just a continuity error? Or did he get promoted to be a fleetmaster of FPJ?

[shut dew]

Scaling enemy count based on player number would’ve saved the mode

[minor sky]

Mhm

Honestly, why didn't they just let us play as fireteam Majestic and select loadouts based on their characters

I mean the entire story is based around them, while Crimson is just sorta doing things in the background

[tight wing]

So at least I know that Thel was on AJ and it isn't clear when he left hahaha That's all I need baybe XD

My brain is rotting from all this Halo lore I have in my head.

The next book I have for myself is Halo: Broken Circle. So this should be fun.
From my understanding, this story takes place PARALLEL to Halo 2, right?

[terse lava]

half of it, yes

[tight wing]

I yearn for a novelization of Halo 2

But alas, we're too far now

[terse lava]

the 2nd half takes place during the schism, the first half takes place during the early years of the Covenant's formation

[tight wing]

Which is the fight between the SanShyuum and the Sangheili

[terse lava]

thats only chapter 1

[tight wing]

LMAO

I'm reading the Halo 2 Limited Collector's Edition Manual

and it's suppose to be written by Thel

And under the Energy Sword he goes:

[terse lava]

i think the only thing i didnt like about it, is that there isnt much to show its 3400 years in the past. plasma weapons still exist, some shields exit, but not personal shields

and energy sowrds do not exist yet, so thats something

[tight wing]

"Ahh yes, noble and ancienet weapon. Energy sword can only be used by those of great rank. Also: press B for a regular attack!"

The whiplash I had of imagining Thel talking about the energy sword and going "Press B!"

[terse lava]

is rather amusing

[tight wing]

I guess you can say it's sad in that regard

They had this tech for this long and not much has changed

Then again, the UNSC still uses projectile based weaponry as well so don't fix what ain't broke

[terse lava]

well it has been said that the sangheili had plasma tech for thousands of years, while the san shyuum learned of it from the shard of mendicant bias on the keyship

[tight wing]

But the Sangheili didn't want to touch it too much because religion

[terse lava]

yeah, its why i find their tech advance more impressive

[last anchor]

Always nice to see this channel active again.

Anyone read the Story Shard yet?

[terse lava]

@last anchor have not, any good?

[last anchor]

Short, but I like it.

Not much to chew on so far, unsurprisngly, but its certainly got my interest risen.

Its very...cut and paste though. Its obvious whats referenced where, but thats honestly not so bad.

[terse lava]

so did it add anything?

[stable flower]

I find it silly how the Banished started killing their human forces because of their Reclaimer status

[unique rune]

Mostly just fleshed out some bits of the Entrenched Fracture. Some bits paralleling core canon elements like its equivalents of Henry Glassman and Project OUROBOROS.

[last anchor]

We know they call spaceships "Zeppelins"

And it confirms the Covenant arent aliens but massively mutated humans.

[unique rune]

Section 3 still exists too, so that’s… something.

[stable flower]

😮

[fair hazel]

i like his name in fractures

[terse lava]

the Covenant being mutated humans....that just seems weird

its just...Fallout by that point

[gilded mason]

So what you're saying is...Sangheili TF is pseudo-canon.

[terse lava]

@gilded mason Sangheili..what?

[gilded mason]

Transformation

[terse lava]

..

[gilded mason]

Ado, this shouldn't come as a surprise to you.

[terse lava]

dang it Ostral

it doesn't

[gilded mason]

lmao

[last anchor]

Yes

[terse lava]

dont encourage him

[fair hazel]

Scary

[last anchor]

Honestly Im sad its so short.
I want a whole novela about this world.
Maps too.

[terse lava]

that could be interesting, though from the short i read, just felt more a Warhammer 40k battle with some fancy imperial guard unit

[last anchor]

Thats partially what intrigues me, as Im also a 40k Guard fan XD

[terse lava]

touche

was a bit of a sucker for everyone's favorite gas mask boys

heck, maybe its straight up ww1 uniforms for the regular marines in this verse

[last anchor]

That would seem to be the indication, though from what Im reading, anyone without Eaglestrike armor is liable to get melted by Covenant "creeping mist".

The "Spartans" may be all thats left active.

[terse lava]

could be i suppose

maybe some weird clone soldier stuff

[last anchor]

Not THAT far, it just sounds like they're all thats left standing. Basically the only troops remaining after the rest of the world turned into a Fallout style hellhole.

According to Kolbys inter monolgue, the Covenant started out as simple human cultists, but were twisted "in their trenches" by archeotech weaponry and energy discharges.

[ivory stump]

Are spartan modified superhuman or no

[last anchor]

Modified superhuman...explain further.

Spartans are combat-oriented augmented humans, enhanced through multiple surgeries, chemical treatments, specialized organ and extremity modification, and then given powered assault armor.

[terse lava]

what i met was, the spartans being the only natural birth humans left

should have clarified

[last anchor]

Not sure on that either but we dont see Earth as it stands so...

Im hoping we learn more in the Part 2.
We DO know that Germany was a thing at some point, and Section 3 exists.

[terse lava]

yeah

that would be expected

[ivory stump]

But

What about Vietnam

There are Vietnamese named in the game

[unique rune]

They’re talking about the new Entrenched Fracture fiction, not core canon.

[last anchor]

Vietnam was, presumably, inducted into whatever overall "state" Eastern Asia was included in. Alongside United Korea and Japan and China I believe.

Ex; Songnam is a testing ground for MJLONIR suits.

In Entrenched, presumably its just gone.

The only cities we know for sure exist in Entrenched are, ironically, Seattle, which is described as "smoldering rubble" that required Ridgeback Cantonment Force's to search through.

TBH really kinda annoyed the new Encyclopedia doesnt actually explain Earths current status much

[scarlet hinge]

This is a very late response but no one gave you a decent answer, and I figured I'd provide one, as the guy who wrote that wiki page

they scaled the vehicle based on the original concept art and production model made for Halo Wars

that original model was made for an RTS and has wonky scaling, and as such features very tiny ladders and doors - when doing the stats they used these as a basis to determine how big the vehicle would be in relation to a human

The vehicle's armament and flavour text are mostly taken from the original Ensemble concept art description, too

[stable flower]

The Banished seem to be mostly unknown to the rest of the UNSC, judging by the fact the Marines think that they're Jul's Covenant.

[last anchor]

The Banished are known. Infinity's forces fought them on Reach anyway

[unborn ice]

the domain is explicitly stated to be the organon

[fair hazel]

A cool thing to see halo's scale is , at least for the pelican, to go on flight simulator

I don't think irony is the word but ther's a sad bittwesweet [insert word here], about iso-dodact finding the organon

abbadon

[cobalt quiver]

What books lead into Divine Wind? Besides shadows of reach

[terse lava]

I think just that, unless you wanna count the plots of Halo 3 and Halo Wars 2

[spiral jewel]

Was the Rakshasa class Mjolnir intended for Spartan 2s and 3s or were Spartan 4s the intended recipients?

[last anchor]

Divine Wind is, technically, a sequel to Retribution, which is a sequel to Last Light.
Technmically you can skip over Shadows of Reach if you want.

Theres also a short story I dont remember th ename of

[fair hazel]

Spartans

[cobalt quiver]

When the Covenant/Banished use their dropships, is there an any advantages for using a Phantom over a Spirit and vice versa?

[tribal escarp]

My fellow lore nerds, are we save civs or stick to mission

cause Spartans always save the people cept scumbag Osiris in halo 5

[unique rune]

...You mean the same Osiris that helped the evacuation on Meridian where they could?

What were they supposed to do after the space elevator started shaking itself to bits?

The largest craft they had on hand was a Pelican, practically out of reach to anyone not augmented and wearing power armor.

[terse lava]

@cobalt quiver It is more versatile than a spirit, has more offensive weapons for keeping enemy troops at bay, and those exiting it are easier protected, as they can leave via the ramps, or the gravity lift

[fair hazel]

Seems like some senseless osiris hate

[stable flower]

I'll take that over the senseless Promethean hate

[rapid stump]

Halo 4 beat Halo 5

[terse lava]

neither were that great, they shouldn't have jumped right into the Forerunners, much less the Didact himself popping up

[ocean ibex]

Well can’t spirits hold way more troops though

Also spirits have plasma turrets that can protect exiting troops

[terse lava]

it does carry more, yes, but it also only has a single, somewhat inaccurate turret. plus the rather obvious major disadvantage that the disembarking troops can be taken out as the troop bay door opens

[ocean ibex]

No I meant a plasma turret on the bay door itself

[terse lava]

the spirit does not have that

[ocean ibex]

It’s in firefight if I remember correctly

[terse lava]

that's the phantom

the spirit is the tuning fork shaped dropship

[ocean ibex]

Oh my mistake

Are dropships usually protected by banshees or any covenant air support?

[terse lava]

typically they are escorted by banshees, depending on the situation

we see banshees escorting a spirit in the level, Keys, in CE

[stable flower]

There are also many instances of Banshees escorting Phantoms in Halo 3 and ODST

[terse lava]

yeah, we see it in the background of Halo 3's The Storm level, with banshees and phantoms flying around the crater. We also see it during the beginning of The Ark level, as a phantom flies by with a banshee escort. Later on in The Covenant level when you get in that hornet, you have all those banshees alongside a phantom. In ODST, we see during the bridge run, you see banshees alongside phantoms, and even CCS cruisers

[tacit charm]

how come you didnt mention the second mission of h4 and h5 sanghelios scene

[stable flower]

Oh and Kizingo Boulevard

[minor sky]

What were those dangly things the Phantom was carrying in Buck's first mission in Halo 3 ODST?

[empty tundra]

Apparently they are Engineer pods
When I first saw them I thought they were oversized Brute Shot projectiles or boarding tubes

[minor sky]

Ah

Yeah I assumed they were bombs or projectiles for some cannon or something

Sucks that Rookie got killed off, though I guess he was the best choice for someone on Alpha-9 to die

Given he's even less of a character than Chief in Halo CE-3

[tacit charm]

idr remember a phantom carrying those engineer pods let alone in the first mission

pretty sure they were weapon boxes

[empty tundra]

In the mission where you fly a banshee there are several Phantoms carrying those pods and some are just idling above Engineer stations.

[tacit charm]

maybe

though im pretty sure there were none carrying them in the first buck mission

[fair hazel]

No... Thy were huragoks

[empty tundra]

Engineer is the human name given to Huragok

[fair hazel]

Uh yeah... That's what the phantoms were carying

[tacit charm]

nvm they were engineers

just looked alot like a weapons box

[versed helm]

odst: friendly engineers

reach: PEW PEW DIE PURPLE POWER SHILDER

[minor sky]

There were, I litterally just played through it

[minor sky]

Haha the funny explosion balloon goes pop

[tacit charm]

i meant the giant pods in the banshee mission being in the first mission

[minor sky]

Ah

[trim spear]

its blackhawk vs chinook

same with the UNSC falcon vs pelican

[tribal escarp]

I might be wrong but I think the UNSC was unaware or uncertain of what the engineers did during the events of reach

[terse lava]

overall yes, what Huragok truly did was mostly known by higher ups

[versed helm]

elites have 3 pps

I know that because the man known as Tankslayer1432 on Xbox told me.

[last anchor]

You're confusing organs. Its hearts, and they have two, not three.

Ive always wondered if they're both primaries or if the second one is more of a back up in case they get hurt, like how the second heart for a Space Marine in 40k works.
I THINK theres a Sangheili saying that basically means "our hearts beat in synch" or as one so maybe they beat out of order? One then the other.

[humble yacht]

So, Dino time lords

[last anchor]

Indeed

[versed helm]

Split lips lore huh

[bitter oar]

hinge head lore

[half apex]

Wort Wort lore

[terse sage]

Aaaawubadugh lore

[fervent wind]

do the covenant control planets

or are they nomadic

[terse sage]

the Sangheili have colony worlds and Sangheilios but not sure about the other covenant

[fervent wind]

just the sangheili colonise stuff?

[terse sage]

not sure, the San' Shyuum had high charity

[fervent wind]

i see

but is it like proper colonisation or just outposts and stuff

[terse sage]

Pretty sure full on colonies

[fervent wind]

huh

they should develop that more

[terse sage]

Ik

[fervent wind]

imagine a game taking place on a covenant world

so cool

[terse sage]

Know what I want? A halo game where we fight Insurrectionists. Make the conflict less about killing aliens and fighting obviously bad guys and add more moral gray area

[fervent wind]

uuuh

that would be nice as well

[terse sage]

Also it would be a break from fighting the same aliens every game

[fervent wind]

so true

[half apex]

halo 5 was on sanghelios

[terse sage]

But sangheilios was mostly under the control of the Arbiter's forces, who were anti-covenant

[stable flower]

Me too, but sadly, the fan base is just too close-minded to accept things like that

[teal ice]

The Chopper refined and manufactured by Bolroci Workshop combines the shared knowledge of six disparate Jirahlanae clans to produce the ultimate tool for demoralizing enemies on the battlefield. #FictionFriday

[rough smelt]

Hey

[gusty star]

They have

[tacit charm]

i thought you were dead

[royal whale]

Wouldn't say the fanbase, more like it's a risk to develop and spend a ton of money on a title whose main selling point is fighting aliens

[terse pecan]

ngl what I love about Halo is the lack of human conflict and moral gray area headaches and just punching aliens

[royal whale]

I find it somewhat odd that civilians still exist in the universe

Since man, it would be really easy to mobilize your entire species knowing that you're against genocidal aliens

It'd be pretty hard to live an everyday normal life knowing that you aren't serving in the armed forces and put out a fight in a struggle against extinction

[gusty star]

I mean if you know anything about the Covenant you’d know it’s pretty gray

[terse lava]

not really, there were worlds in the UNSC who didn't think the Covenant even existed. Others, like a group of rebels in the first months of the war, thought the UNSC werre the aggressors. Even as late as 2552, there were populations who thought the war, even they even knew about it at all, thought it was some small skirmish

even some groups tried allying with the Covenant, such as the already mentioned rebels at the start of the war. Yet another outright traded with some kig-yar in a secret plot to find more human worlds

[craggy sierra]

That's really not possible at all and you would probably just end up causing mass rebellion if you tried to draft everyone into a war and then end up causing a second civil war to deal with.

Also there's the various forms of non-combative industry needed to back a war effort as well.

Like...y'know...food

research

[royal whale]

Ye sorry not to make myself more specific

Although tbh I don't know much about the civilian aspect of the halo universe

Although I'd probably expect everyone to have at least some form of military training

[craggy sierra]

Nope

[terse lava]

again not at all

[royal whale]

Basically conscription

[craggy sierra]

Halo's universe is literally just ours +500 years. Private sector industry still exists granted I believe they're also a lot more socialist due to AI basically taking massive amounts of jobs by that time.

[royal whale]

Although arguable conscription won't do much in a high tech war

[craggy sierra]

And again, it'd probably just cause people to riot against the government trying to force them into combat

[royal whale]

Well it depends on the situation really

[craggy sierra]

There's very few situations where civillians would willingly be thrust onto the front lines of a war

[royal whale]

Since people are facing a war of extermination

Which in most cases, conscription becomes more of a thing and is less viewed as a forceful act but more like an inevitable need (that is if they think it in that way)

[craggy sierra]

Yeah grab a gun and do what you can if they make it to your front door but most people living in the inner regions of human space aren't going to go to war when harvest fell.

[royal whale]

Obviously you wouldn't send someone with no training at all

The point of conscription/draft is to build up a huge reserve to fill in the attrition much quicker

[craggy sierra]

Also the UNSC tried to massively downplay the covenant war for basically its whole duration and put the galaxy under martial law with heavy monitoring of communication to make sure word never got too far

[royal whale]

The reserves gets trained in peacetime, gets a refresher in the event of conflict so now you don't need to worry of training someone for longer

[craggy sierra]

The war lasted for literally 2 generations

[royal whale]

Arguably things are peaceful so long as your planet doesn't come into contact yet

[craggy sierra]

Yeah and they trained soldiers when they got them. tbh their recruitment efforts probably only bore fruit because they kept downplaying the war impact.

[royal whale]

That's like a given for most countries in war, but yes if they did downplay it perhaps the idea of a draft becomes more absurd if they're "winning" the war

[craggy sierra]

It becomes absurd in most contexts because again you'd mostly just incur widespread rioting over being forced onto the front line

UNSC pushed recruitment efforts the same ways current millitaries do. "Come see the galaxy, Get a free education" yadda yadda.

Being like "We're sending you to the frontlines of an overwhelmingly oppressive hostile alien force to quite possibly be literally torn up in a motorized meat grinder piloted by monkies" would just make people want to flee and inccur widespread panic.

[royal whale]

I'm pretty sure dealing with riots becomes easy so long as you're willing to bring terror

Which is somewhat what happened in the SU in ww2

[tacit charm]

that's an awful idea

[craggy sierra]

The other issue is that supposing a large group of your violent opposition plays along while you're just churning out recruits to the frontline...and you just gave them a bunch of guns

With allies like that who'd need enemies

[royal whale]

It is indeed, but terrible things can really get out of hand granted if people get paranoid and insane enough

[royal whale]

Not everyone gets drafted into the army man, there's also some that make it to the air force and navy

Although those are spots mainly purposed/reserved for people who score higher in intelligence exams

[craggy sierra]

Oh boy, they get to operate artilery and maintain combat craft. Even better

[royal whale]

Since by the way I see it, it feels like for the year 2500 the unsc is underequipped

[craggy sierra]

Not really

It's just that the covenant was a force you couldn't launch an offensive against

[royal whale]

If I can remember the fleet that protects earth are just a hundred frigates and a handful of cruisers

[craggy sierra]

Remember, they just showed up out of the blue, we had no knowledge of any of their homeworld locations and all of their millitary efforts were typically launched from high charity...a mobile slip-space capable platform capable of housing several billion people.

[royal whale]

Defense?

[royal whale]

So basically the unsc just admitted its endgame already and gave up?

[craggy sierra]

So the UNSC has no fore warning of where the covenant could appear. They did their best to defend their front line planets playing a game of probability of where they could appear next but you have an entire millitary of several billions popping out of slip space while yours is spread out across several dozen planets causing response time delays.

They even mention that in Reach when they say re-enforcements are days away

[royal whale]

Wasn't reach barely even fortified?

If I can recall only a few dozen odps protect it

[craggy sierra]

It was like the most fortefied. It was the biggest supply chain planet left

But again the issue is you can never really predict where the covenant would appear next.

They could have appeared at reach or they could have appeared literally at any other frontline colony.

[royal whale]

So wouldn't it make more sense to build a ton of of odps and station more ships to each planet?

Basically making every planet a fortress

Just enough time to buy for reinforcements

[craggy sierra]

Man even with the space age technology of the future, overhauling an entire planet's infrastructure could be a decades long process

[royal whale]

Since at least the UNSC could still fight back and inflict damage, its not like mac guns can't punch through covenant ships

[craggy sierra]

I don't know if we even knew high charity existed until Halo 2

[royal whale]

But wasn't the war decades already?

[craggy sierra]

Yes but the UNSC isn't a Fortnite player

[royal whale]

And humanity pretty much got space elevators already

[craggy sierra]

They don't get shot once and then immediately build 40 story structures in 2 picoseconds.

By the time the realization of this being a war that we can't win was setting it that ship would have probably already sailed

[royal whale]

So they gave up?

Which explains why it seems as if they lacked the numbers

[craggy sierra]

I mean...the Infinity and its sister ship the Eternity were literally being built as arks for humanities remnants from earth if the covenant made it that far

So yeah...kinda

We basically just won because the covenant decided to implode on itself 10ft from the finish goal

[royal whale]

Yeah I know about that, although it's kinda weird to rely your entire species on just two 5km long boxes

It would make more sense if humanity built a few dozen more albeit cheaper kinds of the infinity

[craggy sierra]

Considering after Halo 3 the earth was apparently down to 200 million people not really

[royal whale]

I think that number goes early as halo 2 although the dates aren't that far

[craggy sierra]

Maybe it starts declining but you don't really see it happen in Halo 2 since Regret was literally only in one city

And besides, the crux of the Infinity project hinged on some wonky forerunner engines which the UNSC kinda couldn't recreate but they needed their power to be able to guarantee safe travel to far enough systems

[royal whale]

Well the flood pretty much got hold of africa in halo 3 so there's that

[royal whale]

Fair enough

Kinda makes more sense for the design of spartans as well

[last anchor]

They took over one section of a mostly depopulated town and that, and the area surrounding it, were promptly sterlized

Flood spores dont survive plasma bombardment. Nothing does.

[royal whale]

Since imo, the way they're built on how heavy they are, could only be effectively used on solid ground and definitely not anything less that of concrete

[tacit charm]

last i checked cov cant simply just plasma bombard a planet out of existence just like that💥

[last anchor]

Also Infinity proibably wouldnt have carried every last human. Just enough to continue the species.

[royal whale]

Yeah but it'd make more sense to disperse said humans rather then concentrate them in 1 ship, However Wafflesauce's explanation regarding the use of forerunner technology is good reason enough to explain why there were only two ships

[last anchor]

Im pretty sure Infinity was retrofitted with the engine after they found it inside Onyx

I think it had standard UNSC drives when it was under construction in 2552

[royal whale]

Wasn't the engine based on forerunner design instead of being purely made by forerunner?

Similar to how the covenant pretty much just copy pasted forerunner technology

[last anchor]

Not sure

[royal whale]

Since spartans on a strategic scale won't do much due to their very low numbers, and instead would make more sense as troops meant to defend a ship effectively since marine's jusy aren't cut for the job in cqb

Although the wag they're portrayed in lore reminds me of how the germans in ww2 marketed their Wunderwaffe as the technology that will help them win the war

You know, to keep morale a bit up so that people would have more confidence in fighting on

[ocean ibex]

It definitely is not

the covenant were possibly thousands of years ahead of the unsc in terms of technology

Plus 1 cruiser could screw over modern day earth with just using mac rounds

[royal whale]

They were actually thousands of years behind