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royal whale
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It'd make sense considering they can handle the recoil and actually pack more punch

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Plus they're 7ft tall

empty tundra
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Also is it just me or does the Spartan Laser grip, triggerguard and forward grip remind me of the M7 SMG?
Also in Halo 2 the M7 SMG was supposed to have a transparent magazine

last anchor
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Just the front part I think.

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Then again, slanted grip and foregrips a pretty common ergonomic design for larger things, and smaller too. Helps control recoil and bracing.

royal whale
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The magazine

empty tundra
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yeah that's why they didn't do it

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Would be cool to see the bullets start depleting in the magazine
Although could you pull it off with a custom shader instead of having bones for each bullet?

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We already have bullet counts for the HUD could those be repurposed for an actual 3d model?

last anchor
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COnsidering the M7 has caseless ammo you wouldnt see much.

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Just vauge grey blocks, if that

royal whale
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Imagine using caseless ammo but you still eject spent casings ingame

empty tundra
royal whale
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Nah if I remember in halo 2 the m7 ejected casings

empty tundra
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hm

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Wouldn't make sense to say that in lore and then have it eject casings when doing so would just add stress onto the hardware

royal whale
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They probably just forgot it, plus it looks far more immersive if it ejected casings, since I doubt the average person even knows what caseless ammo is

empty tundra
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I also didn't know caseless ammo existed before learning about the M7 firing Caseless ammo

royal whale
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Although it's odd how they already have the technology for such ammunition, yet they still choose the traditional brass casings in some of the guns

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It'd make sense from a logistical and tactical perspective, now that ammo doesn't require much metal and is now lighter

royal whale
empty tundra
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oh so it hasn't been put to use

royal whale
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Kind of, the Germans made the G11 as a replacement for the G3 but proved to be very unreliable and too expensive

empty tundra
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In halo lore there were a few 100 years where there was no fighting

royal whale
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If I can recall it even required a battery since it uses an electric primer instead of a striking pin

royal whale
empty tundra
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yeah the flashlight is an example

royal whale
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XD

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It'd be nice if they changed some of the lore a bit to make unsc equipment lighter

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Since it's really dumb to have a 60 ton tank when you're supposed to manage colonies with different gravitational strengths and terrain

empty tundra
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The Grizzly is even more ridiculous

royal whale
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The spartan program itself as well is also ridiculous lmao

empty tundra
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Also how does a Pelican carry warthogs and scorpions?
The turret on Warthogs just clips through the Pelican and the Scorpion is attached by the chassis or the turret or is either facing forward or backward
And the Grizzly in HW2 is carried by ropes

royal whale
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I think it's magnetic

empty tundra
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yeah but the anchor point for the vehicles isn't even consistent

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In Halo: Landfall the Warthog is attached to the pelican by the chaingun turret

royal whale
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Yeah, puts a lot of stress on the vehicle

empty tundra
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And the only time we see a warthog getting carried by a pelican in Halo 3 in a cinematic is in the Covenant mission. Where it is a troophog in the cinematic and turns into a chaingun turret after crashing

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Seems like Bungie didn't even want to deal with the turret clipping through the pelican

royal whale
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There's also some times where a scorpion from a pelican can actually shoot and move its turret lmao

empty tundra
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wait really?

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I've never seen that

royal whale
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I think it was on the Halo 2 mission Sacred Icon

empty tundra
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oh right the pelican flying overhead

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In that case the scorpion would just be rotating around on the spot like a pendelum

royal whale
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True

minor sky
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Ok, so this is just me brainstoming stuff, but do you think its possible they're trying to set up some parallels between the Banished leaders and the Prophets?
Like, ||Destroyed home planets|| or how leaders have their messages played on "Banished TV/Radio" about their will/beliefs?
This is probably dumb, but idk, its a thought I figured to throw out there

craggy sierra
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There'd be no point in doing it other than to just re-hash the original story but worse

versed helm
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Correct me if I'm wrong

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But I don't see any roads in new Alexandria

unique rune
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I mean, if you’re talking about the missions in Reach, you only see a small section of the city.

craggy sierra
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You still need roads

scarlet hinge
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almost all of the action takes place hundreds of metres above the ground

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we see plenty of public transportation links in the form of extensive train networks to link the towers together

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most cities got by fine before cars were invented

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and Bungie were generally thinking about Arcologies a lot in the design for their futuristic cityscapes

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New Alexandria is just designed in such a way that the vast majority of what you need is within walking distance - and if not that accessible on a short MagLev ride

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I can easily envisage that the vast majority of the roadways in New Alexandria likely exist almost certainly for the benefit of logistics and industrial transport - not as such because they're needed to move people around

royal whale
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That's interesting, what if we abandoned roads and favored interconnected buildings instead

fossil hollow
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So i have a question whats the in lore explanation about the new ww2 cosmetics in halo infinite? From what im getting its from some war on the moon or sum like that.

thin yew
terse lava
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Well, they are now setting a community driven story in the entrench universe starting in June

scarlet hinge
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in Hong Kong, you get around by walking mostly through larger buildings and walkways above the main street levels

royal whale
scarlet hinge
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they're neither

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it's dieselpunk

royal whale
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Well the helmet is kinda similar to the german stalhelm

scarlet hinge
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most helmets are

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the vast majority now are based on it

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from what i recall, they heavily based a lot of it on some anime, but idk the specifics

royal whale
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Ye that's true most helmets were based off the stalhelm

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Ah I think the anime was Jin Roh

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Which is ww2 ishhhh

stable flower
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WW2 was dieselpunk wasn't it?

scarlet hinge
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no

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from the wikipedia page i linked above;

Dieselpunk is a retrofuturistic subgenre of science fiction similar to steampunk or cyberpunk that combines the aesthetics of the diesel-based technology of the interwar period through to the 1950s with retro-futuristic technology[1][2] and postmodern sensibilities.[3]

last anchor
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Entrenched is closer to the "Clanker" side of Scott Westerfelds Leviathan than anything I'd say.

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I can even kinda see things in it diverting from that series's existance considering the opposite side had artifically mutated animals as their primary backing force.

scarlet hinge
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that's more biopunk

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and the covenant in Entrenched are mutants

last anchor
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True. But I can see the events of Leviathan slipping into Entrenched if something goes really bad at some point

fair hazel
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The Armour effect has like a bunch of diesel effects. Spawn. Diesel stains. Slide. Diesel slide. Walk diesel and sparks

humble yacht
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Looks more like smoke and oil to me

last anchor
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I always figured it was mud.

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I wish I could see it more tbh.

humble yacht
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That’s some dark mud then

fair hazel
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It’s very black

stable flower
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It's a shame the Sedran Colonial Guardsmen have better looking helmets than UNSC troops

broken turtle
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The halo show should switch to halo reach’s story then at the end, Noble 6 should be sent into the same time anomaly as Nicole-458 where they do something drastic during the 21st century. That would create the alternate timeline that the show is in.

craggy sierra
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Dunno why that reply was stored

gilded mason
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lol

broken turtle
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This is a lore discussion is it not?

humble yacht
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Yes but there is a separate channel for show discussion

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This channel is for main timeline lore

broken turtle
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Nicole-458 is cannon and in a game

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Obviously you don’t know your lore

humble yacht
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Canon*

gilded mason
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And Nicole exists in a weird state, since her backstory (and the whole time anomaly as well, of course) isn't canon.

humble yacht
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She got isekai’d

gilded mason
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Hell, even her number can't be canon.

fair hazel
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Finally someone said something about halo and robots days or weeks ago

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Finally found the image of concept art

unknown.png
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One of the two

humble yacht
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Spartan drones, lol

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Would have served Cortana well

stable flower
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Really hate how the UNSC were designed to be primitive

severe cosmos
gilded mason
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Nah

severe cosmos
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What about books?
(More specifically) have they been mentioned in the lore at all?
Actually kinda reminds of MK V (b)

gilded mason
tame gazelle
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Cyberpunk Fracture:
In the year 2052, orphans have to get jobs or else they're arrested and given life sentences by the UEG. The multitrillion dollar HalseyCorp offers employment, but they don't make money until they pay off their augmentations and don't get a choice in their work assignments.
After being promised they were being augmented for stuff like construction and warehouse jobs, they were forced into military training to battle the Covenant, an extremist human cult that carries out terrorist attacks on cities with advanced plasma weaponry provided by Prophet Technological Solutions.

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Would that be as cool as I think?

loud fjord
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seems aight though the halseycorp part, i'd go with something japanese myth esque for the megacorp that made the spartans perhaps something like Kijo as a reference to oni.

stable flower
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It's a shame that, even with the new encyclopedia, we still don't know what planet Snowbound is on.

untold wasp
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apparently stone and sorel are in the same fireteam, that's cool

stable flower
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So the Capital is basically the Forerunners' High Charity?

hot oak
stable flower
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Yeah

unique rune
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the capital of the Forerunner ecumene would certainly be roughly analagous to the capital of the Covenant empire

versed helm
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Guys! anyone know any info about the ship that crashed on installing 04 in the terminals?: idk if someone already said this, but i have a theory that the endless tried to escape when the forerunners deployed offensive bias 100,000 bce. sonif the endless were trying to escape from him but they were vaporized instead and the ship crashed in sparks halo with no occupants

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when spark tried to inspect the ship

unique rune
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I… sure hope they don’t go that route.

versed helm
scarlet hinge
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I like to imagine Snowbound is on the latter

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for reference, Strilun isn't mentioned in the rest of the book, or in any other source

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it's just a random namedrop

ruby panther
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Do Sangheili lay eggs?

tribal escarp
tame gazelle
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||HalseyCorp and Prophet are both subsidiaries of Kijo.||

stable flower
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I wish they gave names to the Forerunner weapons that Warrior-Servants are seen using

last anchor
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Or the ones from Origins?

stable flower
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In the terminals

unique rune
terse lava
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@stable flower itself halo 4 terminals? Clearly appear to be light rifles, though the one from Origins made an appearance in the encyclopedia held by a forerunner warrior servant

last anchor
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One of them has a binary I think

terse lava
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Yeah, thnk the one who takes aim as thr didact walks past them to Fortencho

shut dew
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I'd love for 343i to bankroll a project to show us how Halo's aliens would sound like if they had anatomically correct voices

stable flower
minor sky
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How many people made it back from the Ark, besides Arbiter, Chief, and Cortana?

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Did any?

last anchor
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Lightrifles are modular to the core. Blue light is either a stylistic choice or merely one of the hundreds of weapon-seeds that they had at the time.

last anchor
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Much of the weight was carried by the Sangheili since they had an entire Assault Carrier and several cruisers, while the UNSC provided a single Charon-class Frigate.

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And of course with the Chief as the spearhead, their blows to the Covenant remains that held the Ark were quick, brutal, and precise.

minor sky
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Makes sense

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Thanks

minor sky
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Another random Halo 3 related question- would it be accurate to call the Warthog Run "a race through Forerunner scaffolding"?

tribal escarp
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pretty much driving on the rings frame

spark forge
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👍

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The Warthog run mission is a pretty fun mission 🙂

tribal escarp
solar tulip
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Anyone else think installation 04 can't catch a break?

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It got blown up, remade into 08, got blown up again, remade again into 09 and the crew of the spirit of fire are probably gonna get it destroyed in their conflict with the banished and the Ark

humble yacht
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Installation 09 isn't at the ark anymore

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it left

solar tulip
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Right, but one of the members of the spirit of fire is still on 09.

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But one of Cortana's guardians found the ring

humble yacht
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Yea but Anders doesn’t have a way to contact anyone and the guardians all shut down

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So she’s probably stranded

solar tulip
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Wait when did the guardians shut down?

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I've never heard anything about them shutting down, the only thing guardian we've seen recently is the one crashed on Zeta halo.

humble yacht
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When Cortana died

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It’s in the encyclopedia

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It’s dumb but it happened

solar tulip
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Well then, i don't have the encyclopedia so i guess i wouldn't have known that.

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I know Cortana died it's just the guardians shutting down thing I didn't know about.

stable flower
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Offscreen sadly

minor sky
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I kinda hate how they brushed over so much stuff. Like I get that 5's story was a mess and all, but like, idk. I think it was the wrong choice to just sorta brush away most elements from 5

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also I really hope that Locke isn't dead and they do something like that idea Garrett Post had in that one piece of art

obsidian thistle
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Is there a body?

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That is the question you must ask when you think if a character is dead or not in fiction. :)

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(Cause fiction tends to never go by the "they are dead" in a series like Halo. It likes to keep the thread open so the character can be used later)

valid hemlock
obsidian thistle
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Thats what I dub a fixed point in time! So much sources that to retcon it now would cause more issues than any good.

minor sky
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Personally I thinm having a story like in the piece of art I referenced with Locke being beaten and having to survive on the ring would be awesome

spark forge
last anchor
stable flower
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They think Atriox is dead too (seeing how Cortana obliterated part of the ring to stop him, I can see why)

serene pulsar
last anchor
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See we see him die so, no.

serene pulsar
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But do we thinkingchief

minor sky
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Dw Six is just in his cave with some painted rocks made to resemble Noble team's helmets

minor sky
summer plinth
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I hate how 343 made the forerunner not humans

tacit charm
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i always thought that idea was cringe tbh

humble yacht
terse lava
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@summer plinth yeah, that was Bungie, not 343's doing. Bungie wanted originally to do forerunners=humans, but constantly flip-flopped on the idea up to halo 3, where we see the terminals go with aliens, while Staten, writing Contact Harvest, went with humans. They just never settled on it

last anchor
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And now with Point of Light, it seems they may in fact be us, just far, FAR back.

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We are the same root stock species, but the Precursors cultivated one part off to make humanity and the rest accelerated forward to be the Forerunners.

humble yacht
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That’s not quite how shared ancestry works, but close

last anchor
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I need to reread point of lights ending, the last of it got kinda Forerunner Trilogy on me.

humble yacht
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Gross

last anchor
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Weird geas stuff be like that.

stable flower
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I wonder what the status of the San'Shyuum is during the Created conflict.

humble yacht
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Alive and plotting

tribal escarp
minor sky
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I never finished Escalation, is it still worth going back to?

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Or should I not bother?

humble yacht
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some people will say no, but ultimately it's up to you

cosmic siren
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anyone remember me?

last anchor
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Nope

versed helm
cosmic siren
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dang

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I was the guy who asked how sangheili had offspring

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Turns out I wasnt the only one.

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The literal first page of googles has multiple people asking how they, well, you know

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Im totally gonna get banned now lol

last anchor
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The lore is not secret

tribal escarp
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The Sangheli lay eggs and then incubate their kids, in tanks like the saiyians developed their kids in DBZ

terse lava
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Yep, nothing particularly new anymore

frigid oar
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Apparently female brutes dont exist in the lore yet

stable flower
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Anyone else think Jul's Covenant is stupider than the Covenant Loyalists?

dense falcon
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Not really. Jul's faction was set on the anihilation of humans through the use of Forerunner tech. Covenant loyalists supported a cause that once fulfilled would kill them all just for political power. The fact that they ignored the death of the whole universe even though they were presented with irrefutable evidence (Spark) should tell you something.

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Jul's execution was poor, but I consider him to be smarter than any loyalist from Halo 3

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Jul just didn't want Thel in power and the grief from his wife's death simply fueled his rage further.

last anchor
visual orbit
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What happened to jul's younger son?

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His older one is a servant of the abiding truth

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What about the youngster

gilded mason
visual orbit
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Arbiter will take him under his wing

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Like the Chad he is

craggy sierra
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I highly doubt that

visual orbit
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Their entire hierarchy is controlled by females

last anchor
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And the Sangheili to a certain extent. Females werent allowed to be warriors, though that didnt stop them from learning to fight.

versed helm
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Kinda like Sapiens and the Netheadentrals?

tribal escarp
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More than likely because Brutes are such an aggressive and tribal species, they protect their females from other clans like the Krogan do in the mass effect universe

ornate hinge
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so guys, i just watched the halo TV serie and really enjoyed it, but thing is? are those things canon?

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doesnt really look like to me

tribal escarp
ornate hinge
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ah

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aight

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seems fair

tribal escarp
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it's called "the silver timeline"

ornate hinge
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👍

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the AK47 and cadillac timeline

tribal escarp
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So what's crazy though is the MA5 fires a 7.62 round AKA an AK round

ornate hinge
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but apparently the MA5 seems to have boosted damage for some reason

tribal escarp
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It's the amount of rounds and rate of fire. Energy shields need to be overloaded by kinetic force

ornate hinge
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wait the 7.62 is NATO rounds

tribal escarp
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yee America just adopted it for our next generation military standard weapon

ornate hinge
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7.62 exists since ww2

tribal escarp
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Yeah but it hasn't been the "standard"

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The USA standard round was the .223/.556

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It's what the m16 and m4 use

ornate hinge
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yeah

idle lintel
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i like the new ammo type 6.8 or what it is

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if the stuff said about it is true then it has really impressive feats

spiral jewel
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Evolutionary speaking, how far removed is a Western lowland Gorilla from a Jiralhanae, even though they appear to be evolutionary cousins or something

last anchor
last anchor
frigid oar
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bullets are cool

rugged creek
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Hey everyone, I had a quick question - anybody know where I can find canon info about the specific ODST BDU used in Halo 2 Classic, the Armor Testing story from The Halo Graphic Novel, and the Joyride ODST figure? Seems like these days all the info on the Wiki is about the H3 and H2A versions

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Also interested if anyone knows any Halo media other than the ones I listed where it appears

cyan relic
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I think my pfp Should be part of halo 3 ODST’s lore that rookie knows how to play the Saxophone

last anchor
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It shows up in Halo Escalation, in the Tanaka Arc.

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Beyond that, nothing.

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Its just "a variation of the ODST BDU"

cyan relic
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Whoa whoa wait what

shut whale
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Alright, question to the lore masters out there:
Near the end of Halo Wars, would the Covenant have been able to access and harness the power of that forerunner fleet without the presence of a human to activate the reawakening of the fleet on that forerunner? How would this have been done? Would they just have used them as a bunch of power sources like the keyship? Thank you for your time, and I will look out for responses.

gilded mason
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Well, they got the keyship working, so it stands to reason they'd have methods to that kind of thing.

shut whale
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Was the key ship working or was it just emanating energy that was being siphoned? Could they fly it?

gilded mason
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Yes

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They flew it and attacked the Sangheili in the War of Beginnings

humble yacht
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They flew it to earth at the end of halo 2

fair hazel
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Covenant were able to make use of forerunner technologies to certain extent. Humanity's reclaimer status is like a pass

shut whale
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Alright. So it is kinda of like a fast pass. Do we have any idea how they accessed stuff like that? Hacking or whatever?

gilded mason
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Probably

fair hazel
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Depends on the device too

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a handheld weapon, easier

shut whale
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True. I imagine engineers probably helped as well.

fair hazel
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Lekgolo too

shut whale
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How would they have used Lekgolo?

fair hazel
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they cultivated special lekgolo and used them to explore keyship

shut whale
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That is pretty cool.

rugged creek
visual orbit
frigid oar
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no the arbiter that tamed the worms was before the dishonor

rancid cloud
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might be a dumb question but how long had the human covenant war been going on at the point of CE

humble yacht
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The position of arbiter was always used as a dishonorable/redemption position in the covenant. The prophets changed the position of arbiter from its original “judge king” role in sangheili culture to a role of dishonored warrior seeking redemption, as a way to keep the elites in line

visual orbit
rancid cloud
visual orbit
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1 through 3 covers the end of the war

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Reach leads into CE

rancid cloud
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i was getting sorta confused starting reach, halo wars, and CE

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ahhh

visual orbit
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Halo wars takes place 20 years before the events of main halo

rancid cloud
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it’s been a while since i have been into halo, for some reason i was thinking reach was nearly the beginning of the war

gilded mason
visual orbit
terse lava
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The war lasted 27 years, while the Arbiter title being a badge of shame indeed happened "recently" in Covenant history, in the 2100s.

sly granite
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Master chief becomes a master chef after the Great War the end

minor sky
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Man, I really wish they kept the Didact around

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I would have really liked to see him and Chief fighting in a new game

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I feel like they were setting the Didact and Chief to be rivals of some sort, given the Didact has a lot of parallels with Chief and all

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also The Next 72 Hours sucked

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I haven't read any of Brian Reed's other stuff so I can't really say he is a bad writer. But I can say that he isn't a good Halo writer about 90% of the time (give or take)

terse lava
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Originally yes, the didact was met to be chief's "nemesis" for the than new reclaimer trilogy

rancid cloud
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playing four back in the day, i really though didact was supposed to be much more of a long-term villain

rancid echo
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and then they wrapped up his storyline in a comic lol..

tribal escarp
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Just a longer magazine with realistically similar barrel lengths

tribal escarp
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Also it's kinda dumb that after over 500 years they're using a bullet in circulation today. Would make sense for the rounds to made out of titanium or something at least

humble yacht
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No

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Titanium wouldn’t bloom or shatter like lead, it’s too hard

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For antipersonnel rounds, you don’t actually want it going through and through,

terse pecan
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I was curious about Auntie Dot from reach, does she have like a form like Cortana and a chip or is she just omnipresent in all of the computer systems on reach

last anchor
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Omnipresent I believe, shes a dumb AI. Only Smart ones get full represenatations

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See; the Superintendant appearing as the sphere wherever he showed up

humble yacht
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Superintendent was a dumb ai.

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Or, nonvolitional

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(Sounds better)

fair hazel
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Her data servers were somewhere but it’s unlikely she survived the glassing

last anchor
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Nonvolitional works

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Makes it clearer. Was that a recent thing, I dont remember reading about it until the Encyclopedia

humble yacht
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First time I heard the term was in infinite

severe cosmos
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Stupid question: does the VK78 have a thumbhole stock?
(Wasn’t sure where to put the question.)

valid hemlock
tribal escarp
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Yeah but with something like energy shields titanium rounds would apply more kinetic force right? Meaning less rounds needed to overload shields

humble yacht
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No

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Energy is a measure of mass and velocity

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Titanium actually has less mass per volume compared to lead (which is why it weighs less), so if it moved at the same speed as a lead bullet it would actually have less kinetic energy

oak wave
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jk

gaunt oakBOT
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digital lake
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I know halo 5 story was kinda mid but I wish they continued the story in infinite instead of "soft rebooting it" and making the most safe story imaginable

frigid oar
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is it possible chips dubbo and stacker were either on the pelican or the longsword wt the end of combat evolved?

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books and games arnt perfect with being completely accurate with each other

minor sky
flat kernel
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They weren’t on the pelican or longsword, but somehow made it off.

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There might be an explanation somewhere, but as far as I know, it haven’t been explained yet.

dry pivot
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If we ever see the endless in game what would you want fighting them to be like? (Mechanics, Strategy’s to defeat them, enemy types, etc.

weary goblet
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anyone think we'll see the flood or endless in the next dlc to continue the storyline? im unsure of what will happens after the ending cutscene in infinite

weary goblet
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the halo infinite Easter egg includes the contained flood and i do not know if we will be seeing more of them in the future

zenith sun
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Took me a minute to realize you were talking about the cylix easter egg

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Thought there was an infection form in some sort of chamber like in that one halo 2 anniversary multiplayer map

scarlet hinge
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they have no definitive appearances in CE's timeline of events (IE no specific named appearances in Fireteam Raven or The Flood or another source)

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whereas they do have specific named appearances later on in the series

frigid oar
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because they werent known back then

scarlet hinge
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yeah

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but nothing has since come in to really make them definitive characters in those events

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it's the same as how Sergeant Johnson can pop up several times throughout the game and die several times - back then he wasn't a character

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unless a character is specifically named as being on Installation 04 (like say, Johnson or Jenkins) you're better off treating their appearance in CE as an easter egg, rather than hard canon

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This is pretty much how we determined how to treat their appearances on Halopedia, for what it's worth

jovial island
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is there a list anywhere of all cannon spartan 2's?

humble yacht
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Halopedia

soft cradle
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best Spartan. Anton 044

valid hemlock
obsidian thistle
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Nope. Halopedia is not on Fandom. XD We get a lotta freedom not being on that platform! :)

stable flower
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Especially with CommanderTony gone

digital lake
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Fandom is so cringe, Halopedia is where its at

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Halopedia is literaly my favourite website

tacit charm
jovial island
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The spartan 2's arrived above harvest after the planet had already been glassed right?

scarlet hinge
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In general, all UNSC response arrived at Harvest weeks after its glassing -the battle proper didn't begin for months

jovial island
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ok

strong rose
# jovial island ok

If you want to know more about human/covenant fist contact, the book you want is Contact Harvest. Spartan IIs aren't mentioned (still a secret program). The book follows Avery Johnson who is sent to Harvest to help train up some colonial militia. You get to see some fun AI interactions, the reason why the covenant want to exterminate humanity (politicians lacking understanding) and how the first contact went.

tribal escarp
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Basically the spartans first exposure to the covenant is watching a vid of when battlegroup X-ray (the fleet that went to retake harvest after the covenant attacked and they got news) When Battlegroup X-ray arrived they discovered the glassed harvest

strong rose
tribal escarp
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First time spartans were involved in direct combat with the covenant was onboard a covenant ship called "The Unreleting"

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That's also the first time a spartan died in combat

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RIP Sam, you're just MIA

tribal escarp
strong rose
tribal escarp
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Fall of reach hands down a must read it also makes the end of halo reach a question since Chief was leaving system in fall of reach but in halo reach he's napping in the pod

humble yacht
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That Easter egg is not canon

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It’s just an Easter egg

last anchor
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Ironically, they included S-IIIs, which Eric Nylund first made in Ghosts of Onyx, while also ignoring most of Fall of Reach

scarlet hinge
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we have images of Lehto's original notes of the game, and they include a lot of worldbuilding you can only get from really paying attention to the book

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but that's not as compelling a narrative as "bungie evil and bad"

humble yacht
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Well there was an interview with Marty (done by hiddenxperia or act man) where he talked about how Bungie didn’t like outside contributions to the franchise, and iirc he mentioned Reach specifically

scarlet hinge
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overall though, I've just always had a bit of a distaste for any statement that tries to generalise a whole studio as a "they hated/loved XYZ"

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it just leads to some pretty toxic discussions that usually become more focused on simply bashing one studio rather than looking at what the people involved Actually did and their reasons why

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As for what I mentioned above, Lehto served as the game director and was pulling some pretty obscure trivia about Reach's history and the construction of CASTLE base when he did his napkin sketches for how the planet was laid out and its history

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that's not the kind of stuff you can get from simply "just skimming the book"

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last anchor
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So Reach was the TV show before the TV show?
Does that make this a repeat of previous incidents?

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Wouldn’t be surprised if it was, fandoms don’t change that much. The irony being I was vindictive Reach and yet the show doesn’t bother me

humble yacht
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I’m the opposite

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Was fine with reach but didn’t like the show

stable flower
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Have any Covenant remnants used Scarabs in the post-war era?

manic pike
minor sky
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Do we know Warden Eternal's final fate?

gilded mason
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Nope

stable flower
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I too am curious about that

obsidian thistle
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If there is no body. There is no final fate.

humble yacht
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But there’s millions of bodies…

tribal escarp
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Seeing as how Cortana controlled the Guardians and she was like central command. Logic would say they're probably out there and just shaken. Warden Eternal has so many bodies even if we find 1 don't mean anything. Like Heh said.

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Bahalo the unggoy homeworld may still be controlled by the created as it benefited them to have the created rule

humble yacht
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according to the encyclopedia, the guardians shut down when she did. but the warden was active long before she showed up in the domain, so there's no reason to think he'd shut down along with the guardians

stable flower
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Do the Covenant or Banished have a demonym?

gilded mason
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Probably. They just haven't been revealed

fair hazel
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The answer for what powers rakshasa was 😦

tribal escarp
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Yeah I didn't mean he shut down. I meant the created central command got shutdown aka cortana and the guardians.

cobalt quiver
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When did thr first convo between Atriox and Cortana take place?

fair hazel
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When he got back to the galaxy after the ark so after October 2559

tribal escarp
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Probably around november-december 2559 as Pins mentioned, atriox reunited with the banished in october. They defeated the UNSC in December of 2559

bitter oar
frigid oar
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do D batteries exist in halo

obsidian thistle
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Probably in the 2000s at least. I'd need to dig in the ILBs blog

fair hazel
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halo infinite has so many ILB references

stable flower
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Can the UNSC ever catch a break?

fair hazel
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Some fans didn't like the UNSC catching a break..

gilded mason
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I don't like it when their breaks come with double standards or unbelievability.

digital lake
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is this cannon

valid hemlock
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yes, it is

last anchor
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I mean they had a break...till we got a soft reboot.
They're not completely gone anyway, just fractured. Rakshasa mentions "pocket empires" so THAT might be fun to see more of.

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Balkanization of surviving UNSC planets

gilded mason
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That would be cool.

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The thing that ONI feared that would come to pass. 😌

last anchor
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Created, ironically enough, by the woman they employed to stop it...indirectly, anyway.

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Cheif becoming the Emperor of Mankind-like figure to lead the UNSC on a reunification war.

gilded mason
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Oh god, that'd be so awful lmao

valid hemlock
last anchor
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It worked for the Star League did it not?

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Arrives on Gao;
"Time to join up again."
Gao: "Uh, no, we're good thanks."
"That wasnt a request"
(Proceeds to directly deploy S-IVs to the surface in the hundreds)

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Also from the Rakshasa armor it seems Venezia is still up and kicking despite all of this so.

stable flower
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I'm sick of seeing the UNSC being underdogs in the games. It's a shame that people think THAT is how they're supposed to be.

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If that's the case then maybe they oughta just be called the United Rebel Front

last anchor
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They werent the underdogs in 4 for the most part. Nor were they in almost all of 5.
They're only really the underdogs now because of Cortana.

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1-3 was underdog, yeah, but that was kinda the point of the series.

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And even then it was the scrappy underdog, their wins still felt legitimate.

humble yacht
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overcat

valid hemlock
tepid sinew
tribal escarp
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One thing I've always wondered. Is the Halo: CE's ending with Johnson hugging the random elite as the pillar of autumn explodes cannon? cause if so how'd he actually survive

empty tundra
tribal escarp
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Yeah I was also about to say nevermind in First Strike, Chief finds em floating in a pelican

tribal escarp
last anchor
obsidian thistle
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Hmmm so a fan on Twitter made me think. We "might" of seen a Spartan HIGHCOM honor guard before (ya know the people who got those unique shoulders in the shop this week)

Spartan Orzel "seems" to fit the bill based on the limited info we have. Someone who was an excellent soldier before being made a Spartan. With their station on Earth at Bravo-6.

Thought I'd share as its a interesting thought how those shoulders and lore can fit into existing lore.

gilded mason
fair hazel
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To killer orca

near tide
near tide
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That’s like me fighting in the Korean War with a musket

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Or an automatic weapon firing musket balls

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Scorpions also apparently fire modern-day tank rounds

obsidian thistle
last anchor
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Wouldn’t surprise me, why else would he have been there

fair hazel
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Sangheili honour guard, Jiralhanae honour guard, Spartan honour guard

stuck yoke
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it all started with a big bang

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then master chef was born

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master chef fought sparkles loughtlugh

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sparkle man won

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it was a hard fight

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then obi wan kenobi slammed his head into a table

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then master chef came back alive

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then

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i was made

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halo lore guys btw

obsidian thistle
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Farthest back we gone (in our universe) is an event known as the Great Glow (which via context is what shortly happened after the big bang or a few equivalent theories)

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There is a "event" before that. The creation of the domain. But thats got a lotta wiggleroom

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I still wonder if the big bang or its equivalent was caused by something in the Halo universe. The domain seemingly existing before our universe makes me wonder sometimes.

frigid tiger
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can anyone remember what Truth said exactly in H2 about the great journey? It was something like "There are those who said this day will never come. I ask, what do they say now?"

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and when did he say it

obsidian thistle
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He said it during the Gravemind mission. As a sorta announcement.

terse pecan
tribal escarp
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Precursors probably did it

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We don't really know much about them besides they're the flood from a failed resurrection protocol. The forerunners turned on them for the mantle. Bout it

obsidian thistle
tribal escarp
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Yeah it's probably the mantle was an idea from a previous civ

obsidian thistle
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Oh the Mantle is a Precursor thing. Most likely created using their experiences.

tribal escarp
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Is it confirmed the Precursors started the mantle

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I just remember the precursors were "transient" and able to evolve and create life, the star roads were what they made

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They also had the ability to travel different galaxies

obsidian thistle
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Halo: Silentium String 24 refers to "a vast reserve of rules accumulated more than half a billion years ago, a huge library of experiences and disputes codified into the total wisdom of the Precursors".

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That isnt the Domain fyi. (As thats got a totally different source with a way further date)

tribal escarp
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yeah the domain is a vast resource and pretty much a huge cache of knowledge

obsidian thistle
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Just cause I have it. Heres the Domain stuff in String 37 of Silentium.

"We are your children, Librarian. But we are also their children. And what they learned across many billions of years they stored in this galaxy. We do not know where. The Gravemind tells us something impossible to understand-that most of what has been gathered comes from before there were stars. We do not believe in such a time, but the Mind insists ... The life-patterns and living wisdom of a hundred billion years.

"The Gravemind no more understands the whole truth than we do. It is past all our understanding, from the greatest to the smallest. This reserve was wrapped in Precursor architecture, protected for many billions of years. Out there."

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The Gravemind (who would know Precursor stuff) doesnt understand the Domain fully. Which really is interesting.

tribal escarp
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Primordial would probably be a better resource but we never heard its thoughts on domain

obsidian thistle
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I especially like that the Domain is wrapped in Precursor architecture. (This outright suggests it wasnt made by them. If there was any doubt)

tribal escarp
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gravemind is just a hivemind for the flood and a combination of stuff. Primordial was a "pure" precursor flood

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We don't really know jack about the precursors though, I mean we don't know how far back they went just that the forerunners were like "wahh we want the mantle, lets genocide our creators"

digital grotto
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Now if I think about it it doesn't make sense.

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I mean just think about it imagine pizza not existing and then pizza existing

last anchor
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The domain is a terrifying prospect and I love it.

obsidian thistle
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So much thought can go into it

terse lava
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The domain being non precursor may explain a few things, like the visage the guardians get on connecting with it

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We see in the encyclopedia that the precursor AI Abbadon, didn't have it

obsidian thistle
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A thing the Encyclopedia even suggests.

terse lava
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True but yeah its only assumed at this point.

tranquil sparrow
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Actually I see what you mean how it could be something else, but I like to think the forerunners took the domain from the precursors and replaced Abaddon with the Warden Eternal, their own protector of the domain (rather than the precursor one).

snow steppe
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le

abstract wren
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There is still people who think the Domaine is not precursor ?

tranquil sparrow
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I guess it could be something even before the precursors, but it's much easier to think it's precursor.

abstract wren
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it's precursor,it's not "I think" it's in the Warfleet.

tranquil sparrow
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That would make more sense but I think all we know is that new generations added to the Domain can't access the older stuff so nobody knows what it is. But I do think it's Precursor in origin.

abstract wren
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not at all, it's the Forerunner who added things....

tranquil sparrow
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But the Forerunners were never able to access the deeper knowledge's within the Domain.. So it's probably all precursor stuff but it could be something deeper or more.. but nobody knows.

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I think it's all precursor 😉

abstract wren
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Why "i think" ? That's precursor. That's it

tranquil sparrow
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Nobody can read it so it can be anything that's why.

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And somebody in this chat had a page from Silentium that quotes the Primordial saying that even he did not know it's origins

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I wish I had the page number so I could re-read it myself

obsidian thistle
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I will say Warfleet saying saying "Self-aware Precursor knowledge network" doesnt explicitly imply creation, just what the Precursors used it as; a knowledge network.

minor sky
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Did we ever get to know what the deal was with Chief in the cloak was for the Xbox One reveal?

last anchor
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Dropped plot idea presumably

minor sky
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I mean yeah

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But like

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Did we ever get any more info beyond that?

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Idk the idea of Halo 5's earlier drafts has been in my head for a little bit as of late

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Like I know the whole "Hunt the truth" bit was based off an earlier script

last anchor
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Nope

abstract wren
gilded mason
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Though the new encyclopedia says at one point:

[Cortana] was lost in the darkness of a Forerunner data repository called the Domain.
And we know it wasn't created by the Forerunners. So it could be possible that it's the same thing with the other statement.

abstract wren
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Because after the extermination of the Precursors, the Forerunners took the Domain as a "data repository"

gilded mason
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And hypothetically, Precursor could have taken the Domain as a "knowledge network"

abstract wren
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that's not in sources.

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It's written "Self-aware **Precursor **knowledge network"

gilded mason
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Yes, and it's also written "Forerunner data repository"

abstract wren
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yes, it's both

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It's first Precursor, then taken and modified by the Forerunner

obsidian thistle
# obsidian thistle Just cause I have it. Heres the Domain stuff in String 37 of Silentium. > "We ...

(Replying to my previous post for quick reference to the material I already posted.)

But the idea is, unless it says "created by", or a very clear alternative; its not explicitly saying it was created by the Precursors.

Silentium is the most clear here by giving a way further reach "hundred billion years" with the Gravemind who should know about Precursor stuff "no more understands the whole truth" only saying the domain was "wrapped in Precursor architecture" but not explicitly created by them. If it was Precursor shouldnt the Gravemind just know it was?

That source outright puts the creation of the domain outside the range of the current Halo Universes Universe, and doesnt tie the Precursors to its creation but more them protecting it for a shorter "billions of years".

If we take the "hundred billion years" part seriously , thats essentially is before life in the galaxy and would make the Precursors essentially Eldritch Gods if they survived though that lol. Meaning at a fundamental level I dont think it was created by the Precursors but either exists as its own thing; or was created by something else and for what purpose is a mystery (data collection? A universal reset? Searching for something? The options are endless really)

If we take the protected part, and dig into it, we get a minor look into the Precursor history with the domain, the Precursors found it, protected it, and wrapped around it codifying their society around it. What was the Precursors protecting it from is a pretty good mystery? All in all, its essentially what the Forerunners started doing later also. So the domain caused two species to essentially look after it.

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As one extra tangent, why didnt the Precursors/Gravemind know the whole truth about the Domain. This also applies to an extent with the Forerunners. With the Domain being self-aware this ties into the mysterious purpose I mentioned of the domain really well.

digital quiver
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There's something in Halo Ce I need opinions on

obsidian thistle
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Go ahead! :D

digital quiver
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The 5th terminal

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The one with the crashed unknown ship

obsidian thistle
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We have no idea on who the ship is. Fans are assuming Endless. But ultimately we cant really say.

We do know however that Alpha Halo did have numerous visitors after it though, and those visitors really annoyed Spark to the point he threatened everything that got near the ring.

digital quiver
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I know! I've looked everywhere for connections

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And found nothing

obsidian thistle
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Unfortunately there is nothing, outside the crashed aliens not being bear aliens LOL. (Thats part of a old joke 343i used to do with that ship ahaha)

digital quiver
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Especially for the visitors, that one, That ONE, had context of similar oxygen levels and its the only ship we've seen with no connections

obsidian thistle
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If/When we start seeing Endless ships is when we can probably confirm or deny the links.

digital quiver
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I know, I hope we get a answer soon

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This one thing, has been killing my brains halo lore for years, since the terminals were released

obsidian thistle
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Mystery aliens visiting Alpha Halo has been kicking in my head since I read Conversations of the Universe in 2010 lol.

digital quiver
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Ok. But this is important....

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Are the terminals bungie? Or 343 industries?

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Cause I want to believe these have heavy lore implications across all games and books

obsidian thistle
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They are a 343i era thing

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Bungie left before their creation

digital quiver
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Ok. Cause I wasn't sure if they were an original idea, or something 343 did

obsidian thistle
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Well Aliens visiting Alpha Halo was a Bungie idea.

abstract wren
# obsidian thistle *(Replying to my previous post for quick reference to the material I already pos...

If it was Precursor shouldnt the Gravemind just know it was? -> He may not know. That's not illogical, he is not omniscient.
"Precursors essentially Eldritch Gods" because that's what they may be.... They may be considered as Gods.
"I dont think it was created by the Precursors" we are not discussing what you think, but what is known.
What do you not understand in Warfleet saying it's Precursor ? Really, that's awfull to just disregard a source to stay on a personnal conclusion

abstract wren
obsidian thistle
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I aint disregarding a source though! Thats just what the Precursors used it as. Warfleet doesnt say they explictly created it! IE I actually agree with Ostral on that front.

The Encyclopedia glossary doesnt even say its Precursor. Opting to obmit that side of it completely and go with the very old route that Silentium follows.

An incredibly ancient, self-aware knowledge network used by the Forerunners to document, transmit, and interpret all information and personal memory in their galaxy-spanning realm.

Honestly if it was a Precursor construct, I'm at this point wondering why 343i are so reluctant to outright say it is. 🤷‍♂️

abstract wren
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like half of what they are doing at the moment : they don't know

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It's been since H4 that they don't know where they are going

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The lore, and sources, suffer from it. Deal with it

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and the glossary of Ency22 is a joke....

tacit charm
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CSGOMister type faster cia391

obsidian thistle
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I said that last line above to essentially say its unlikely Precursor in origin.

To narrow my case down. It is a re-occuring theme with the Domain that there is doubt on its origin, so much that the Precursors are even in doubt on them creating it.

Mythos states this in regards to the Domain "The nature and origin of the Domain was a mystery to the Forerunners, though some believed that it had been left behind by the Precursors.". But it doesnt say they made it.

If it was the Precursors that made it, the mystery angle is certainly a really puzzling angle to go.

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I wont be against it being Precursor fyi and if it does end up being Precursor great. :) But its certainly not looking good with that glossary entry in Warfleet being not as definitive as we'd need it. :/

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(If I really had a guess. 343i are likely keeping the door open for whatever reason. Which is something they are known for)

abstract wren
obsidian thistle
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Warfleet isnt as definitive though as we covered.

abstract wren
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Like the new infos on Mjolnir project that retcon what was said before (like in OSFM)

obsidian thistle
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Its exactly like calling the Domain Forerunner.

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Which isnt wrong. But isnt taking into account other media suggesting history before it.

abstract wren
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no, but ok now you're telling Warfleet glossary is not definiive...

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stop making things up, let's get back to Ency2

obsidian thistle
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I meant definitive as in "reached decisively". As it outright doesnt say "Precursors made this" or a version of that. :)

abstract wren
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it says it

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you just don't want to admit it

tacit charm
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i mean warfleet is the same book that implied mac rounds travelled at relativistic velocities so¯_(ツ)_/¯

obsidian thistle
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The exact wording is this

Self-aware Precursor knowledge network used by the Forerunners to document, transmit, and interpret all information and personal memory in their galaxy-spanning realm. It was the soul and record of the Forerunners, the sum of all they knew and had experienced.

That doesnt say they made the Domain. It says what the Precursors used it as then goes onto the way more important for the context of the book Forerunners relevance.

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As it was a Precursor knowledge network, no one can deny that part of the history of the Domain! :)

tacit charm
abstract wren
tribal escarp
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I mean the precursors were Gods in the sense they could evolve life on their own and created the Forerunners. They were able to travel to different galaxies millennia before the forerunners were even a thought

tacit charm
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gross

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imagine calling precursors gods

tribal escarp
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The forerunners were like demi-gods and we see how they amazing they were

tacit charm
tacit charm
tribal escarp
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They created the forerunners

tacit charm
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cool

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good for them

tribal escarp
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"they were meh" even though they created life

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What would impress you if they could create life and summon shenron?

tacit charm
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good for them i guess

obsidian thistle
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That again isnt confirming it was made by Precursors though. :) The Domain was a "Precursor knowledge network", like how it was a "Forerunner data repository". That just shows how it was used in the societies it was used in. Less on who made it.

tacit charm
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and allegedly shaped galaxies

tribal escarp
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They're also not even from the Milky Way

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and they're also the scumbag flood

tacit charm
tacit charm
tribal escarp
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They also didnt accelate life

tacit charm
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you're literally telling me what i already know

tribal escarp
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They seeded life too

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Across numerous galaxies

tacit charm
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amongkle by accelerating them

obsidian thistle
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I actually am writing a updated Domain page after the timeline rehaul.

tribal escarp
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Seeding life isn't accelerating. It's creation

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It means there was no life and then they put it there

obsidian thistle
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Too much details not easily found I wanna make clearer! @tacit charm

tacit charm
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you can find multi cell mcuffins and just accelerate their progression from there and just have life

tribal escarp
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There's still forerunners outside the milky way right? Cause the remainder left the milky way after ensuring the survival of the next gen

tacit charm
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some

tribal escarp
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you clearly don't understand the concept of seeding

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it's like a plant

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no plant until you put it there

tacit charm
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assuming the exiled ones are still alive out there

tribal escarp
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The precursors are responsible for life in the milky way

tacit charm
tribal escarp
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they also created solar systems on their own which begs the question of how

tacit charm
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ye

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solar system

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sure

tribal escarp
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millions of em

obsidian thistle
tacit charm
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why wont it let me say sure

tacit charm
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btw

tribal escarp
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Isn't it confirmed though after the halo arrays fired the ones in the shield worlds ensured survival

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of life and then just dipped

tacit charm
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are you gonna update the energy projector page

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i dont see "up to a hundred meters" line on there

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atrioxmini it's canon now so...

tribal escarp
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i wonder what the prophets are doing with the engineers

tacit charm
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where did you get this tidbit of info

tribal escarp
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pedia

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literally on the precursor page

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under background

tacit charm
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it says engineered

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also

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seeing as how there's already a galaxy there

tribal escarp
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You can argue with the pedia page not me

tacit charm
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i argue

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best precursor feat is still allegedly shaping galaxies

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notice how i said allegedly

tribal escarp
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and solar systems

tacit charm
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engineered

tribal escarp
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they could also change form

abstract wren
tacit charm
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ik

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too lazy

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also what's the point

abstract wren
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Yeah Precursors are gods

tribal escarp
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man if only engineering meant designing and building

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oh it does

tacit charm
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someone else it going to remove anyways cause 'yields'

tribal escarp
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so they did create life

tacit charm
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designing

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there was a galaxy there already

tribal escarp
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so you were wrong when you said they didn't create life earlier

tacit charm
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wdym

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that still doesnt necessarily mean they just outright created life from nothing and magic

tribal escarp
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engineering literally means designing and building

tacit charm
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or you know

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it can also just mean designing in this scenario

tribal escarp
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designing still means creating

tacit charm
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also

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we dont know how much they engineered these systems

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could literally just mean moving a mountain or two etc

tribal escarp
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"The Precursors were responsible for seeding the Milky Way with life, creating the galaxy's diverse composition of species to become "new tools and companions", and engineered millions of solar systems"

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We're also just a precursor science experiment

tacit charm
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amongkle there was already a galaxy there if im correct

tribal escarp
tacit charm
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not my point

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needed to check

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i knew planets were already in the galaxy for a hefty amount of time

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or specifically 4.5 billion years ago

tribal escarp
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they also created some

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and according to pedia the precursors have existed for billions of years

tacit charm
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they engineered some

obsidian thistle
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Yup. Silentium String 37 says the Precursors found and wrapped around the domain for billions of years!

tacit charm
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also needed to just check as well

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engineer does also mean to skilfully arrange for something to occur

tacit charm
tribal escarp
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Yeee they've been to a lot of galaxies

tacit charm
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ik they have

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but did they come to the milky though

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prior to monkes

obsidian thistle
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And half a billion years before 97,445 BCE that accumulating a vast reserve of rules based on experiences and disputes that Mendicant Bias saw in a lotta living things.

tribal escarp
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We need Eric Nylund to write us a book and tell us thinkingchief

tacit charm
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i mean we know they created accelerated the krap out of life and visited galaxies but nothing about them coming to the milky before monkes

tribal escarp
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seeing as how they're responsible for life in the milky, no monkeys prior would be my guess

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Then again when the forerunners activated halo, prehistoric humanity was fighting the flood and galaxy hopping

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I mean system hopping*

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Offensive Bias, plays no games

tacit charm
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still nothing about them actually creating planets/stars/star systems and by extension galaxies

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you cant even use the whole "shaping galaxies" smuck cause that info came from insane didact so that's a wee bit sus

tribal escarp
tacit charm
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engineered

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skilfully arrange for (something) to occur.

tribal escarp
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engineering is designing and building

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yes

tacit charm
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yes there's also building and designing too

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but that second def is there too

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plus

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as i just said

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there was already a galaxy before when they came there

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am i correct?

tribal escarp
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They created solar systems yee

tacit charm
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engineered

tribal escarp
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You can argue all you like but engineering literally means to design and build

tacit charm
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it also means skilfully arrange for (something) to occur.

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although with that being said

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weird they dont confirm these kind of info but yet they confirm star roads can shed multiversal residue

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smh

tribal escarp
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Iunno seeing as how we're part of their grand experiment

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I wonder what the experiment was

tacit charm
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cool

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good for us

tacit charm
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imagine dying

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literally what they did in the past for fun

tribal escarp
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It's kinda cold and dark

tacit charm
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i guess they're not a big fan of anime betrayals

tribal escarp
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Yee the forerunners hit em with the ole sneaky sneak when they found out the precursor plans

tacit charm
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Lumu2 alleged plans

tribal escarp
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True

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Cause the precursors claimed it was unprovoked

tacit charm
humble yacht
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The forerunners struck out of fear

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It’s not like they had solid evidence that the precursors were going to wipe them out

normal sage
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.

vale mountain
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Does delrio only appear in 4 and hunt the truth?

tribal escarp
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He's mentioned in Grasslands, The comic book Halo Infiltration and Escalation both by Dark Horse

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The comics are pretty good, they even managed to make palmer likeable

obsidian thistle
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Halopedia is your friend!

https://www.halopedia.org/Andrew_Del_Rio#List_of_appearances

Halopedia
Andrew Del Rio

Andrew Del Rio (service number 90302-75627-AD) is a popular senator of the Unified Earth Government. Formerly a senior officer in the UNSC Navy, then-captain Del Rio served throughout the Human-Covenant War and in the years following the conflict. Del Rio served as the commanding officer of UNSC Infinity from 2552 until July 2557. After UNSC Fle...

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List of Appearances!

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Most pages on fictional stuff have one

stable flower
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The Stalker Rifle's red plasma is unique for an Elite-made weapon

humble yacht
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Couple just be a elite weapon repurposed by brutes

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Like the red plasma rifle

fair hazel
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We don’t know for sure what happened. Precursors and forerunners talk about conflicting narratives

obsidian thistle
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A lotta lost history on the Forerunner side.

stable flower
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I love how everyone comes and goes to the Ark but the SOF crew.

merry vessel
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So I just recently played through halo wars again, and I got to the part where the then arbiter is killed and then pushed off a ledge, then the planet exploded. So how does the arbiter in h2 wear the same armor, did the prophets make multiple sets of the arbiter’s armor or something?

humble yacht
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They must

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We’ve also seen that some arbiters have specialized arbiter armors. And then of course there’s the fact that some arbiters are bigger or smaller than others so the armor isn’t one size fits all

merry vessel
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Ah, thanks

solemn crater
stable flower
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At least the SOF crew managed to see how the Covenant looked near the end of the war, via the Covenant loyalist hermits on the Anodyne Spirit

vale mountain
tribal escarp
versed helm
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Could a spin off game work in the midnight facility that prison that Oni has

tacit charm
gilded mason
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Bacon was quite vocal about why. smirkle

tacit charm
scarlet hinge
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or user calculations

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for anything

scarlet hinge
tribal escarp
quaint marten
stable flower
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Oh forgot about those

obsidian thistle
gusty star
fair hazel
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Concept art for the stalker rifle shows purple as concept

gusty star
stable flower
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I prefer it to be a post-war weapon, until 343 needlessly retcons it into the HCW era like the Type-57 Phantom and the Pulse Carbine.

fair hazel
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Retcons..?

unique rune
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I can't help but wonder if the use of the T-57/Mikpramu-pattern Phantom in Infinite's MP S1 cinematic was just because of the resources Axis had available.

gusty star
unique rune
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Does the new encyclopedia specifically say anything about the T-57 Phantom being Covenant-era?

gusty star
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According to Haruspis, if something uses the “pattern” system to designate different models, it was used by the Covenant in some capacity. So it probably is Covenant era

last anchor
minor sky
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What's the one EU only gun on the cover of ghosts of onyx?

unique rune
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MA5K carbine

gleaming crescent
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unsc naval uniforms do not look comfy

versed helm
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do you guys have any info about the koslovics?

versed helm
stable flower
tribal escarp
gritty gazelle
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Outside of chief because obvious reasons who do you think the best Spartan in lore is?

gusty star
tribal escarp
gusty star
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That’s mostly the red background to that image coming through the holes in the energy. Granted there is a little red in the highlights but it’s mostly golden

tribal escarp
gritty gazelle
tribal escarp
fair hazel
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Beast feats? Nah

versed helm
fair hazel
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No books on them

versed helm
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do they have that buck image on halo 5? could of use as an emote

tacit charm
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honestly i go for noble 6 cause of the whole black ink McGuffins amongkle

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oh wait

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you didnt specify which spartan category

versed helm
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Fred, kurt, and jerome on par maybe.

tacit charm
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so imma go for 6 and Ilsa zane

versed helm
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oh hey its you

tacit charm
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amongkle zane might be insane but the dude is powerful asf

tacit charm
versed helm
tacit charm
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do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down

versed helm
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no but mendicant and offensive >> star wars. no debates. no arguments

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see ya

tacit charm
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ok zoomer

versed helm
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what the hell is a zoomer?

humble yacht
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It’s a play on the phrase “ok boomer”

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Boomer is an old person, zoomed is a young person. It’s like saying “ok, kid”

versed helm
scarlet hinge
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the z comes from the term generation-z

humble yacht
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The next generation will be Generation *

fair hazel
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Anyways best spartan though. Linda obviously that’s who I’ll say.

fair hazel
unique rune
humble yacht
tacit charm
fair hazel
tacit charm
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amongkle yet she never came in first or second during the whole spartan fighting tournament smuck

humble yacht
stable flower
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So are there any known planets that don't have Forerunner artifacts on them?

humble yacht
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Probably

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Most planets probably don’t, as I’d expect the forerunners to have only left stuff on a subset of life-sustaining planets, which make up a minority of planets in the first place

stable flower
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I assume those planets are safe from the Covenant

versed helm
stable flower
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Anyways, I'm disappointed that the new encyclopedia didn't reveal more about the Interplanetary War.

last anchor
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Its not super important to the story right now.

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It serves the purpose it needs to do (brings the UNSC into existance) and thats all it needs to do

fair hazel
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It's another intersting thing to explore

last anchor
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Eventually, yeah. I'd like em to finish the current stuff first though so they can focus on it properly.

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With Microsoft about to buy Activision, Im almost tempted to have 343 and them work together on a Halo game that follows it, using Activisions experince in the COD campaigns

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Specifically Infinite Warfare, which feels VERY much like how I imagined it going.

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With less robots and energy guns mind you

cobalt quiver
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When was the UNSC's first contact with The Banished?

gusty star
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First contact we know of was in January 2550 at the Carter Guard Amory

versed helm
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or the politics after the war and the beginning of donbas era

graceful jacinth
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Long lives the Covenant we’re not all dead, we’re coming back !!!

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For the Covenant! - Glory is ours!

terse pecan
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UNSC: Laughs in Spartan-II

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Imagine if the banished teams up with the created and the last remenants of the Covenant team up with the fragments of the UNSC to stop them

graceful jacinth
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but in general though Covenant are more powerful then the Banished.

terse lava
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The original Covenant? No contest there, as the Banished were just mere scavengers and pirates then

graceful jacinth
hardy light
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But the original covenant is gone, it’s just remnants that’s left

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Well he did say the Covenant, implying the original

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Thoufh there is still the rest of the covenant forces truth brought to the ark. They are still active

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Kept safe from the halo blast thanks to being on the keyship

terse pecan
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We can get epic battle of five armies the flood, the covenant, the banished, the UNSC, and the prometheans/created/endless/sentinels every Halo faction

terse lava
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We know almost nothing about the Endless

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Aside that they can survive a halo

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Werr you expecting them to join the SoS?

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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We know of at least one "covenant loysltist" Sangheili based faction, led by the fleetmaster from Halo Legends" The Package

graceful jacinth
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yes ! but that’s not enough.

tacit charm
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cringe

terse lava
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Well Envoy mentions there are "one hundred warlords, each claiming to lead the Covenant"

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And there may be systems where the Covenant are not yet even aware of what has transpired

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But to actually reform the old Covenant? That won't be happening

tacit charm
terse lava
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Yeah

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Minus the hillbilly look though

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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We know covenant systems could and did fall out of communication with the empire for years or even decades that ks to the sheer size of the Covenant

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@graceful jacinth again, that would just be another remnant faction, just Sangheili loyaltists.

graceful jacinth
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@terse lava I’m not 100% disagreeing but never say never !! i’m loyalist to the Covenant can you blame me ?

terse lava
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But the Covenant betrayed the Sangheili, along with likely news passing that the Great Journey was a lie. Kinda hard to regain loyalty after that

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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So there would be nonreal way to reform the old Covenant. The SoS would be the closest we have

graceful jacinth
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I wonder if the San'Shyuum will try something again.

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because little is known what happened to the rest after the war.

terse lava
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Its implied as much, a good chunk of their population made it to a shield world, where its implied the leaders there seek to activate halo, so they can remake the galaxy in their own image. This plan, mentioned by the prelate in Divine Wind, was thwarted.

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Its not, not anymore

graceful jacinth
stable flower
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I wonder if they'll submit to the Created

humble yacht
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At this point the created have lost their hold

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Without the guardians, they can’t enforce their rule effectively

graceful jacinth
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I love Halo lore !! it’s so awesome !

fair hazel
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Yesss. Fyi. Your profile picture is not the covenant symbol of that’s what you were thinking. Just letting you know

humble yacht
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Isn’t it the hierarch hat? Or maybe the back of the hierarch chair

graceful jacinth
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I know,just because i have it up dosnt mean i think it is. 🤦‍♂️

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this is is the symbol

terse lava
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Funny that we actually don't know yet what the Covenant used as their symbol.

graceful jacinth
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my profile pic

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covenant empire logo at least

terse lava
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Thats been just what us fans think.

fair hazel
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And yeah that symbol isn't any confirmed 'covenant symbol'

terse lava
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Closest we have is what was shown in h5 on those flags, which just reads, "Covenant"

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Odd ho the encyclopedia didn't show what, if any, the Covenant's symbol is

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
fair hazel
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This however means covenant in sangheili

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graceful jacinth
graceful jacinth
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Long lives the Covenant !! and The elites !!

tacit charm
terse lava
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Frsnkly i would assume any symbol they have would involve some etch or glyph of High Charity, and maybe Sangheilos

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
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i mean ye it's cringe

fair hazel
# tacit charm cringe

Your way of viewing things is more to this descriptor than to what you have been saying.

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
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amongkle big boom not good boom

fair hazel
tacit charm
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does that make it easier to understand

fair hazel
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I also like star wars.

graceful jacinth
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but anyway back to halo

fair hazel
graceful jacinth
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i can have that too lol

terse lava
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Yeah, just look at halo, some people are fans of the UNSC, some of the Covenant, Forerunners, etc

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
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you can have it but that doesnt mean you need to share it AmongUsPair

fair hazel
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Yes but going around just bashing or insulting others is no no.

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on this server.

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
terse lava
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The point is, there is not much reason to insult something someone likes

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Though speaking of star wars, I do find it kinds funny now, with them its been stated they had 25,000 star destroyers. Meanwhile, the best we get for the Covenant fleets is "uncountable ships"

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Thats what I mean though, a galaxy spanning empire gets at least a known number of capital ships, and an idea of planet's, while the Covenant is kept purposely vague

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Not even just ships, by this point we seem to know more about the Forerunners and humans than we do the Covenant

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Culture wise

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
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ye i should really clarify that comment

terse lava
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@tacit charm with them losing track of entire star systems and quadrants under their control, I'd believe it

tacit charm
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ye

tacit charm
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or cannon fodder idr

terse lava
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Also thanks to the encyclopedia, we now know the Covenant's population(thanks to only two species) numbers in the trillions now

tacit charm
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oy ye the drones

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man they do the deed alot

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wait

terse lava
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Yep, with the Lekgolo always having been a little over 1 trilion

tacit charm
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what's the other species

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oh

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cool

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wait

terse lava
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Lekgolo previously

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Each individual worm

tacit charm
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nvm

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was gonna ask if you're referring to the worms or hunter forms but then realised you just said lek

terse lava
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But with how old the Covenant is it honestly wouldn't suprise me if the others numbered in the hundreds of billions

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Yep all good

tacit charm
terse lava
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Yes

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That was when the Covenant came across them

tacit charm
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could mean anything from 1 - 999,999,999 trillion

graceful jacinth
terse lava
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Nah just a single Yanme'e. All the others were eggs@tacit charm uny

tacit charm
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pedantic if it that was the case sure but i mean

terse lava
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@graceful jacinth of course the Covenant has existed for 3400 years

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I obviously couldn't resist the joke

graceful jacinth
tacit charm
terse lava
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After the fall? Not so much, the Sangheili homeworld for example,, went from double didgut billions, to single digits

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And the Jiralhanae...12 billion on Doisac when it blew

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@tacit charm they did get up to 56 million if I recall

tacit charm
terse lava
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Savage

tacit charm
terse lava
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Let me double check