Anakin was the reason it didn’t fail.
#lore-and-universe
barren ferry
He took out all the Jedi knights and masters that would’ve carved through them easily.
Shaak Ti, cin drallig, Jocasta nu
near tide
Ki audi mundi died to clones
barren ferry
The temple guards
Yeah because he was betrayed
In the middle
Of a battle.
It’s a false equivalency
Not to mention if the dark side wasn’t blocking their ability to sense it
WAY more Jedi would’ve survived order 66.
Put a SPARTAN in that same situation
They die all the same.
Man literally had both sides of war shooting at him by that point too.
And they were fighting for quite a while on Mygeeto.
terse lava
Mundi? Yeah he was a dead man
near tide
Mandolorians and bounty hunters also have kills on jedi
barren ferry
Not to mention Jedi do still have enhanced durability to somewhat take direct hits from blaster bolts.
barren ferry
Mandolorians and bounty hunters also have kills on jedi
Hardly
Matter of fact
A strike force of 22 Jedi
Beat out 308 Mandalorians
fair hazel
It also looks like an ancient armour depicted in the encyclopedia
barren ferry
Only losing 11 Jedi in the process.
near tide
A single sniper can kill a jedi
barren ferry
With Jango as the only survivor.
barren ferry
A single sniper can kill a jedi
Too bad they’ll likely block it.
And you’re acting like SPARTANs can’t be taken down
near tide
Ballistic snipers kill jedi
barren ferry
In that same fashion
fair hazel
So many people overestimate star wars so much its so wrong like I don't even know where to begin sometimes. Wish superior arsenal was here
near tide
And you’re acting like SPARTANs can’t be taken down
They can ofc
barren ferry
So many people overestimate star wars so much its so wrong like I don't even kno...
I’m not overestimating either side.
barren ferry
I’m treating both verses as equals here.
fair hazel
She tried to rebuild the jedi order
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I even admitted SPARTANs would dominate most battlefield scenarios
near tide
If you ambush a jedi with a sniper rifle from a kilometer away they die
barren ferry
If you ambush a jedi with a sniper rifle from a kilometer away they die
Not if they just block it and are skilled enough to.
Jedi have blocked sniper shots before.
near tide
Jango also killed a master using just a pistol
near tide
Jedi have blocked sniper shots before.
a kinetic sniper?
barren ferry
Jango also killed a master using just a pistol
Wow it’s like said master
Hadn’t killed 1,000 droids prior
And likely just did a last ditch effort to take down Dooku
near tide
Or use a flamethrower
terse lava
The entire scenario changes on each indivual jedi and thr cirumstances
near tide
Hadn’t killed 1,000 droids prior
he didn;t
barren ferry
Or energy.
fair hazel
It's not about "equals"
near tide
The guy who died in the beginning of the arena fight
barren ferry
he didn;t
Yes he did. It’s stated Coleman took down that many.
And it was not the beginning.
near tide
Yes he did. It’s stated Coleman took down that many.
In legends or canon
near tide
Evaded with force speed
Yet he hit mace with one
barren ferry
In legends or canon
I’m using their EU selves here.
near tide
hmm
barren ferry
Yet he hit mace with one
Hardly.
near tide
eu is bs lmao
barren ferry
He jumped out of the way.
barren ferry
eu is bs lmao
No it isn’t.
Starkiller can’t even lift a star destroyer before you bring that up
He only merely diverted its course.
And not all Jedi are even CLOSE to his level in the EU.
terse lava
EU bs? Heh yeah, because biochios make great sense/s
near tide
Here's some info from legends
In the Legends continuity when Boba Fett trains Jaina Solo in the Mandalorian arts he and the other Mandalorian who helped him training her stated that for a non force user to kill a Jedi in combat they have to confuse their Jedi senses.
Since Jedi fight by using their precondition abilities to tap into the possible future and predict their foes next movements. They have to nullify this ability.
One way is to attack from very far, other is to use chaotic patterns of attack preferably fast changing ones, this way the Jedi, even the more gifted would have its sense flooded with possible outcomes and to choose between a lot of possible futures, which would nullify their advantage in the fight. This way the outcome of the fight would be leaning towards the best fighter. They also stated that this kind of chaotic attacks usually caught most Jedi by surprise to the point that a lot of them could not react in time.
fair hazel
eu is bs lmao
IN other words, non canon because they want to find the most riduclous things they can use and or can't accept canon.
barren ferry
See the battle of jabiim for more information
fair hazel
barren ferry
Anyways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-FNW_uBjVo
It’s almost like TCW is contrived and illogical
In both the continuity it was supposed to exist within back then
fair hazel
That's star wars.
barren ferry
Messing up the lore itself
barren ferry
Not accepting canon is on you.
Oh don’t worry kiddo
I’m saying TCW didn’t fit in the universe it was supposed to exist within
Back when the original EU was still canon
terse lava
I like some clone wars stuff, others meh
near tide
Also, if you fire enough bullets the jedi can't block them all
barren ferry
Even ignoring all the legends butchering
barren ferry
Also, if you fire enough bullets the jedi can't block them all
They don’t have to.
They never do.
They use their agility and speed to block whatever they can while closing in on the opponent
fair hazel
EU was a mess in the first place
barren ferry
And to dodge said bolts.
barren ferry
EU was a mess in the first place
Far from it.
Matter of fact
TCW is the reason
As to why it is.
The 2008 series.
terse lava
To be fair on that, there was some stuff in thr EU that was crazy
near tide
eu was a mess
barren ferry
Yeah cause that was definitely universal to all Jedi and people dont just
fair hazel
Star wars later did what halo had been doing
barren ferry
Blow it way out of proportion
terse lava
Like the plot of Luke and co time- traveling thousands of years into the past alongside storm troopers
near tide
HK-47, a literal droid killed many jedi
barren ferry
100% perfect sense
barren ferry
HK-47, a literal droid killed many jedi
What does being a droid
fair hazel
I hope they bring HK-47 into canon
near tide
Also, a jedi can't block every shot from a scattergun
fair hazel
Revan is canon
barren ferry
Not to mention he does so
near tide
So just use a shotgun
barren ferry
Via sniping
barren ferry
Also, a jedi can't block every shot from a scattergun
Actually they can.
A single shotgun isn’t an issue.
near tide
Via sniping
so sniping does work
terse lava
HK-47 was specially designed as an assassin droid
barren ferry
so sniping does work
Not an infallible tactic.
terse lava
By Revan himself
near tide
Actually they can.
They don't move fast enough to block every shot instantaneously?
barren ferry
I’m just trying to say Jedi aren’t the pushovers you halo fans make them out to be.
barren ferry
They don't move fast enough to block every shot instantaneously?
They don’t have to. They can just block the ones that don’t miss
near tide
Blocking a bullet just turns it into molten slag
barren ferry
And throw off your aim by avoiding what they can.
fair hazel
I use canonically based evidence 🙂
barren ferry
Blocking a bullet just turns it into molten slag
No it doesn’t actually.
Especially not a pellet.
If you actually paid attention to that panel about Obi wan you’re gonna bring up @near tide
You’ll notice the two bullets that hit the saber dead on
near tide
I’m just trying to say Jedi aren’t the pushovers you halo fans make them out to ...
Jedi are dope but sw fans like yourself tend to overstate their abilities a wee bit
barren ferry
Are completely vaporized
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Jedi are dope but sw fans like yourself tend to overstate their abilities a wee ...
Except I don’t. I even acknowledge they aren’t invincible.
But you think they are simple to kill.
terse lava
Eh I find jedi abilities vary on the writer
barren ferry
The 300+ Mandalorians on Galidraan
Beg to differ.
And those are people with not only slugthrowers
near tide
Magnaguard take down jedi
barren ferry
Oh no
barren ferry
Magnaguard take down jedi
Hardly
near tide
But you think they are simple to kill.
Jango killed 6 barehanded
barren ferry
Jango killed 6 barehanded
*1
fair hazel
Mhm... vaporized right?
barren ferry
The others were caught off guard and in the middle of a fight with other Mandalorians
Who far outnumber them
barren ferry
Mhm... vaporized right?
Once again
Pay attention to the panel.
Notice the two bullets that hit the saber dead on.
Those are vaporized entirely
No molten slag.
It’s only the ones he somewhat screws up on blocking that produce said negligible effect.
near tide
Also, jedi can't deflect missiles
fair hazel
Pannel progression. You see how the bullets desintegrate into bits on the bottom left pannel. Then you see the bits hitting obi-wan
barren ferry
And even then it’s not close to fatal
barren ferry
Also, jedi can't deflect missiles
Oh I love you types of people.
In fallen order
And Jedi academy.
Thinking grenades will work
Only for me to force push it back
And you blow yourselves up for me
Quite convenient.
near tide
Or hit them in the face with a nuke
fair hazel
Then obi-wan is forced to retreat
near tide
checkmate jedi
barren ferry
Jedi do it multiple times
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Or hit them in the face with a nuke
Like they can’t redirect said missiles back
fair hazel
Again, a simple assault rifle is a very effective jedi killer
near tide
Like they can’t redirect said missiles back
A bomb with a blast radius of miles?
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And the Jedi won’t just escape
terse lava
Clones would
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Again, a simple assault rifle is a very effective jedi killer
No it isn’t.
Matter of fact Mandalorians had that
Plus more
And they all still got the majority of themselves dead
By a strike team of 22 Jedi
With a huge numbers advantage
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Krell, who was extremely powerful, was taken down by clones
barren ferry
They had blasters, slugthrowers, wrist blades, grapple hooks, wrist rockets, wrist lasers
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Krell, who was extremely powerful, was taken down by clones
Oh wow another TCW contrivance and one that actually made some sense
Where krell was lured
Into a plant
Native to that one planet
Doesn’t make it any less dumb that he didn’t realize it
fair hazel
I don't think Brendan likes actual canonical facts.
barren ferry
But it wasn’t anything the clones did
near tide
brendan what are your thoughts on jedi vs space marines
barren ferry
I don't think Brendan likes actual canonical facts.
Nah, I like canonical facts to the continuity I’m using.
barren ferry
brendan what are your thoughts on jedi vs space marines
Highly situational.
Like with this scenario.
And in all honesty can go either way.
terse lava
How about we just have the Covenant burn the planet this battle is taking place on
near tide
Nah, I like canonical facts to the continuity I’m using.
I made up continuity in my head so your guy loses
barren ferry
However I’m not gonna speak on that one, space marines on the Astartes tier or whatever
fair hazel
I don't even know who but someone who suggested that a jedi could easily take out Shadow of sundered star... really like what...
barren ferry
I made up continuity in my head so your guy loses
Problem is I recognize when said example
near tide
How about we just have the Covenant burn the planet this battle is taking place ...
ooh i forgot about bombardment
barren ferry
Is nothing more than an illogical contrivance
barren ferry
I don't even know who but someone who suggested that a jedi could easily take ou...
You think im gonna claim something silly like that?
barren ferry
ooh i forgot about bombardment
Yeah cause that’s logistically gonna be approved all the time just to take down one dude
fair hazel
I want to check the encyclopedia for something banished really quick
terse lava
@near tide I mean, some stuff of the EU still makes sense, an example being the intro of General Grevious, his battle with Mundial and 5 other jedi masters, and them being saved by Cpt. Fordo
barren ferry
Why not do the same to SPARTANs in halo if that’s the case
Or do it to solve all your battles
near tide
Yeah cause that’s logistically gonna be approved all the time just to take down ...
Covenant don't need approval
They just claim it was a heretic
easy
barren ferry
Nah but they know when glassing is illogical
Not to mention people have escaped said glassing numerous times.
near tide
To take a mighty enemy warrior down, one who can take their best men down?
terse lava
They glassed a forerunner temple in halo 2, to kill a single demon
barren ferry
To take a mighty enemy warrior down, one who can take their best men down?
Then what is preventing a Jedi from getting out of there before it happens
terse lava
Note said temple.had a Hierarch in it, even if dead after being punched by chief
fair hazel
Indeed as I thought, banished aren't into glassing as much as the covenant for sure
fair hazel
If you have a promethean knight or a teleporation array?
Or teleporation device
You just, teleport. easy
barren ferry
Or just get flown out of there long before it happens
fair hazel
the UNSC do have teleportation modules
Jul 'Mdama escaped drone strikes by teleporting away
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Like everyone else in the games prior to halo 4 do before glassing hits
Also rq
Can I ask something of you
Or any of the mods really
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<@700162233136840794> I mean, some stuff of the EU still makes sense, an example...
I personally think that was overated. I don't like the hyperstylized, but that's me. The dramatic long pause didn't do it for me
fair hazel
That's not going to happen.
gaunt oakBOT
For server moderation concerns, please message @wet locust.
fair hazel
I don't recall infinite being rated T. Neither do game ratings have anything to do with the server. You've been instructed for any further questions where to ask.
terse lava
@fair hazel well, I would say it fittingly gave Grevious his fearsome repulsion as a jedi killer, along with the eu mentions of him slaying any jedi or clone he came across during the Battle of Geonosis
fair hazel
But the dramatic pause where they're just starting at each other as multiple seconds pass. That didn't do it for me
It's stylized I know but, me no like
terse lava
Where with TCW series, he already has that reputation for....reasons, when we see him more as a mustache twirling villain
Ah I see
terse lava
Well at that point it was really thr first time they had met him, and even Dooku himself states the General's biggest advantage in battle against jedi was suprise and fear
fair hazel
I like cad bane
terse lava
@barren ferry agreed
barren ferry
Well at that point it was really thr first time they had met him, and even Dooku...
I know Dooku had that line in 03 clone wars
But the way grievous runs away
ALL THE TIME
For no reason
Just because a Jedi force pushed you once?
fair hazel
I know..?
barren ferry
seriously his elites are so idiotic
terse lava
Think that was met to be a joke
barren ferry
Think that was met to be a joke
The way the elites were lowered to literal bafoons in Halo 5?
Yeah the games campaign is a joke
fair hazel
I wonder when we'll get the continuation of the Onyx story
barren ferry
I’ll give you that
humble yacht
Just because a Jedi force pushed you once?
in the original clone wars cartoon, during a training session with dooku, dooku told him that in the event he couldn't surprise or outwit a jedi that he should retreat, because he would be unlikely to otherwise defeat the best of them
terse lava
I met his comment on Jul, but yeah his organization are met to be sub par
fair hazel
Asum and Bakar!
barren ferry
A Jedi landing a force push on him didn’t warrant that
He got multiple thrown at him and evaded them, got hit once and still went after them
fair hazel
The way the elites were lowered to literal bafoons in Halo 5?
I don't think you use the word literal the right way
terse lava
Just because Dooku gave him the advice, doesn't mean he would follow it
fair hazel
Peeves I suppose
humble yacht
Just because Dooku gave him the advice, doesn't mean he would follow it
i think he would
i think he did
fair hazel
I really like sangheili designed vehicles
terse lava
Indeed, would say it depends on the nature of his mission
fair hazel
The call back to their cultures and aesthetic tastes more suited to them.
I'm glad we got to see more of the wildlife in the encyclopedia
terse lava
Still hate that h4/5 look and armor though
barren ferry
Nobody likes it
terse lava
The vehicles though were nice, yeah
fair hazel
Nobody likes it
That's not true
terse lava
There are people that like it actually
gilded mason
Just because Dooku gave him the advice, doesn't mean he would follow it
The issue is moreso that unlike Genndy Grievous, TCW Grievous is never really able to get the upperhand with surprise or outwitting Jedi enough to actually do damage anyway.
terse lava
Don't forget, those guys were some people's first intro to Sangheili
fair hazel
I like Sangheili commander armour a lot
terse lava
@gilded mason yeah
barren ferry
Don't forget, those guys were some people's first intro to Sangheili
If you’re gonna bulk them up at all
Keep the reach design
fair hazel
Don't forget, those guys were some people's first intro to Sangheili
Other sangheili fans from previous do like it too
barren ferry
If anything
fair hazel
It's not all "new to this" who like it
terse lava
Oh I am aware, but wanted to state they are not universally hated
terse lava
Would like that myself as well
fair hazel
Or was it the blue team ones?
barren ferry
Oh man I’d love to see a comic about the SPARTANs on lone Wolf
terse lava
Think that Linds focused one
Personal favorite was always Last Voyage of thr Infinite Succor
fair hazel
It's funny when all these people think like, Lone wolf means noble six instead of Linda
terse lava
It is amusing
fair hazel
Like I saw this post on reddit talking about lone wolves and they were like, let's not forget the original lone wolf... then showing B312... Like...
barren ferry
It's funny when all these people think like, Lone wolf means noble six instead o...
To be fair
I don’t think all of em are lore fanatics for the books
fair hazel
A lot of people don't know as much about the lore
fair hazel
.... Uh no.
terse lava
...oof
barren ferry
Oh nevermind
fair hazel
Like, just throw the fall of reach copy, Bonk!
barren ferry
Apparently fall of reach was 2001
terse lava
Yeah, was released before CE
fair hazel
Almost like I know what I'm talking about
barren ferry
Yeah, was released before CE
Oh so it’s another Star Wars situation
Books predate the primary material itself
terse lava
As an added bit of backstory for the games
fair hazel
Bonnie Ross read the fall of reach and fell in love with halo pre release of CE
Eric Nylund was instrumental to the halo story and lore
terse lava
@barren ferry no, its not the same, as that would imply the book truly came first it didnt
fair hazel
People generally know that
fair hazel
What people don't usually know was the role Eric Trauttman played in halo and what hardships he faced
barren ferry
It was made to supplament the game
Still released prior
fair hazel
However I am very thankful for the two Erics who were instrumental
terse lava
Yeah, those early books were pretty good
fair hazel
I do like the, halo's a book series with video games, perspective
barren ferry
It’s always a video game series to me
fair hazel
I pretty much really like all halo books. all. All.
barren ferry
With books
fair hazel
But, what I mean about the early books is they shaped halo monumentally
No fall of reach, no ODSTs, no halo 3 ODST, no deeper backstory for John, No Bonnie Ross falling in love with halo, no 343. It all falls apart
It's hard to say what would have happened to halo.
terse lava
Yep
fair hazel
Too many variables, too much changes. But I think we wouldn't be here today
I mean we may be alive... But like, discord, new games, etc.
Right now, I have my encyclopedia as like a "mini halo bible"
My favourite covenant world is
terse lava
The encyclopedia is pretty enjoyable to read
Love the images and lore on thr Covenant stuff
fair hazel
Feldorka
terse lava
Nice
fair hazel
Beautiful planet, the water world
terse lava
The fringe race, correct?
fair hazel
No, sangheili world colonized, they like to sail. Faithful Perseverance. Page 235
This image is one that is like, woah. And I just imagine that type on that world
terse lava
Ah yeah
fair hazel
Pelahsar the Strident's fantastic armour. Wonder if it's him specifically Thel modeled his look after
terse lava
Makes me wish we got a sequel to Broken Circle
I could see it, it's outright stated the armor was made .to honor Arbiters of the past
fair hazel
Yes. And their story to intersect with Shadow of Intent
The smaller scale but unique stories where people are fighting for their corner is very interesting
terse lava
Mhm, adds to the universe, and frankly I am long sick of spartan/chief focused storied
fair hazel
I enjoy still but I want more
It’s like sure I want more Ice cream but give me pizza too
I like when things like variants or attachments appear in other than 5
Say sentinel or long shot scope
Still no energy bayonet though
barren ferry
Bro
Why is this a question
What is with people thinking that real life animals stand any chance against SPARTANs
unique rune
I mean I dunno what you were expecting from an X vs Y question on Quora
barren ferry
Not just quora actually
But it is a stupid site anyway
People also thinking that Benders from Avatar stand a chance against SPARTAN IIs lol https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/ty5ed0/avatar_aang_vs_master_chief/
terse lava
I've seen debates on 40k space marines vs Spartans, the Mass Effect Reapers vs Doc Who Daleks, etc
barren ferry
I've seen debates on 40k space marines vs Spartans, the Mass Effect Reapers vs D...
See
Those are actually fair
Somewhat
terse lava
...no, they are not, that was my point
fair hazel
There’s a whole site to debate. But I don’t post on it.
terse lava
Master?
unique rune
I just find cross-universe comparisons tiring and I don't understand why people are so into it
barren ferry
Master chief vs Star Fox lol
fair hazel
I just find cross-universe comparisons tiring and I don't understand why people ...
Imagining the fights and so on is fun
barren ferry
Yeah no, Star Fox gets decimated lmfao
terse lava
Ah
barren ferry
Especially on ground
terse lava
That is the nature of debates
barren ferry
Master Chief or literally any SPARTAN
Could slap fox
And he will have his neck broken
unique rune
Imagining the fights and so on is fun
I mean, I guess?
It just seems... very pointless. Different fictional universes operate on different rules and have different standards. At the end of the day it just feels like pointing at which one has the bigger numbers and letting tons of bias bleed through.
barren ferry
I mean, I guess?
It just seems... very pointless. Different fictional universes ...
While they do have different rules from each other
fair hazel
Ton of bias bleed through indeed
barren ferry
They can still be compared regardless
fair hazel
Sometimes. Massive
terse lava
Like anything vs 40k
barren ferry
Like anything vs 40k
Or people pitting Star Wars or halo characters
Against people from shonen
terse lava
Anything vs anime that isn't itself anime, or running on classic Toon logic is typically doomed
barren ferry
Anything vs anime that isn't itself anime, or running on classic Toon logic is t...
True lol, any series in the more realistic side of things
Often needs to use things like
Orbital bombardment
To win
And in some cases even THAT won’t suffice
unique rune
I dunno man I just don't see the point like 99% of the time. It's the same with crossovers for me. Like, yeah, I guess it'd be neat to see, but my enjoyment of a series doesn't hinge on how it compares to another, nor do I think things from one appearing in another really enhances my appreciation for either.
fair hazel
I dunno man I just don't see the point like 99% of the time. It's the same with ...
I’ve definitely seen those who’s enjoyment only seem to hinge on power
barren ferry
Would mostly stomp things like halo or Star Wars
With the one thing stopping them being the space faring capabilities the other two have
terse lava
When it comes to vs/crossover stuff, I prefer interaction, like the Citadel from Mass Effect meeting the larger Covenant
unique rune
Just give me more Sangheili novels or something, I don't care whether or not a MAC would be able to pierce through an ISD.
terse lava
^
barren ferry
I mean the idea of said crossovers can be fun but
If they aren’t of at least similar levels of power
You need to be extra cautious of how you set said crossover up
Especially if the series is of a radically different genre
Like this one Sonic x Star Wars fanfic I once read @terse lava
Yes that’s a thing
fair hazel
Just give me more Sangheili novels or something, I don't care whether or not a M...
It is fun to imagine it happening. I can draw but animation? Beyond me I believe
barren ferry
good lord they had to nerf Sonic and the gang so hard so they wouldn’t just bulldoze through everyone
Like an AT-AT, let alone AT-ST cannot stop a spindash from sonic
It ain’t happening
Unless it’s SATAM Sonic
Then the halo or Star Wars verses do stand a chance
terse lava
Well I mean. He's a fleshy little hedgehog
barren ferry
Well I mean. He's a fleshy little hedgehog
That can blast through 42 ton robots
With literal ease
Or tank atmospheric reentry unharmed
or survive getting rammed by a pillar from a dude who can throw a 300,000+ ton ship out of orbit with no visible injuries
That argument more so applies to weaker versions of himself like SATAM Sonic
Who’s not nearly as overpowered
jovial furnace
wait so did hekibes faction INVENT the grave makers?
barren ferry
And actually would be killed by quite a few things from either verse if it hit him
Key word being:
if
And good luck doing that when the dude casually runs at Mach 5
Can anything in the halo verse hit something moving that fast
terse lava
@jovial furnace no, it didn't originate from him
jovial furnace
ah thanks
terse lava
Welcome
@barren ferry only thing I can think of would be covenant warships, forerunner weapon systems. Or if you want to be cheaper, halo 2 Kig-Yar snipers
barren ferry
<@383087963686305792> only thing I can think of would be covenant warships, fore...
I mean the jackal snipers definitely can’t
Mach 5 is his casual speeds
The dude can apparently move fast enough to react to natural lightning
So he’s faster than a beam rifle shot
Even with that superhuman accuracy
They aren’t touching him
terse lava
Legendary difficulty halo 2 Kig-Yar sniper
terse lava
Anyway, that was obviously met as a joke
barren ferry
I know but
jovial furnace
someone said ven 3 (jackel slaver monarchy planet from halo escalation) got mentioned in the encyclopidia so ive been trying to find it nonstop
barren ferry
It kinda falls flat if the one thing they are known for
Accuracy
Is no longer a factor
Also how much does this dude hate Chief
On a scale of 1-10
terse lava
Couldn't say, was never a Sonic fan
jovial furnace
couldnt say i only played the good sonic games (so like 3)
terse lava
@jovial furnace perhaps look under thr Covenant tithe planet section
barren ferry
Keep in mind X Sonic is weaker than the Sonic in 06
Yeah chief is dead based off that alone
Not to mention Sonic in base is Multi-Continent Level+
jovial furnace
but chief has actual intellegence
barren ferry
but chief has actual intellegence
So does Silver
Enough to contend with Shadow
And Sonic
Not like it matters
Cause Chief literally can’t harm him
With basically anything
Not even NOVA Bombs hit as hard as a Multi-Continental+ dude (and that’s probably a lowball)
So yeah, Chief gets either pummeled to death or yeeted into the stratosphere
jovial furnace
but silver is in sonic 06 therefore chief wins
jovial furnace
06 is good on PC now
🤨
jovial furnace
🗿
barren ferry
Or project 06
barren ferry
but silver is in sonic 06 therefore chief wins
Also uh
Silvers new intro was Sonic Rivals
So
terse lava
And that's.....good?
barren ferry
Yes
terse lava
Ok
barren ferry
But seriously speaking, Chief would be one hit killed by the weaker cast members
Sonic or Shadow and people relative to them are overkill
terse lava
Again, that kind of stuff is pretty much toon logic.
Best suited for opponents from anime or fantasy style.games
barren ferry
Again, that kind of stuff is pretty much toon logic.
Not really toon logic
More so just Sonic’s physical stats
shy niche
There's no way I just walked in on a Chief v. Sonic debate.
terse lava
He's a flesh and blood being capable, without any form of armor or protection, running faster than a fighter jet in a.world where a guy makes a clone mewtwo style
barren ferry
There's no way I just walked in on a Chief v. Sonic debate.
Started off as a Chief vs Silver one actually
terse lava
That's toon logic
shy niche
Started off as a Chief vs Silver one actually
Lmao
fair hazel
There's no way I just walked in on a Chief v. Sonic debate.
Yeah..
near tide
Like anything vs 40k
True
At least in faction combat
Whereas guardsmen vs Spartans or whatever is fairer
fair hazel
One scenario I imagined in the past is the rebellion getting a covenant support ship. Maybe pre scariff
Command and control for rebellion heads. Hangars. Factories to produce weapons, kits, repairs. Huragoks.
But then again it’s weapons… very powerful too.
A game changer for the rebellion I feel
terse lava
They'd be atomized
terse lava
No, the ships are protected by a "bubble" or normal space
drowsy karma
Legendary difficulty halo 2 Kig-Yar sniper
Everyone else is just jealous.
near tide
Halo is one of thr hardest Sci fi series out there
Hardest in what way
unique rune
Probably dead. Slipspace travel is rough unless you're in a properly reinforced or shielded vessel.
jovial furnace
I think with tjr right gadgets they could survive for a while
Like with h3s invincibility equipment or reaches armor lock
jovial furnace
i shall make it my lifes work to eventually get the halo wars original falcon design into canon
last anchor
Probably dead. Slipspace travel is rough unless you're in a properly reinforced ...
Even then, the times we see augmented personell ride it even with shielding its messy.
Tom reported "nausia and disorientation" on the drop to Pegasi Delta, and the reenforced, armored Spirit Blue rode to Unyeilding Hierophant nearly tore itself apart.
tacit charm
How about we just have the Covenant burn the planet this battle is taking place ...
they can certainly try 
Tks to the encyclopedia, silent storms and evolutions cov glassing is really pathetic
frank relic
😩
versed helm
Mhm... vaporized right?
You literally see the bullets that hit center mass vaporize tho
And given the ARs poor accuracy
Well
insert that gif from CW where Kenobi just blocks multiple metal slugs with the Force
versed helm
so sniping does work
Droids make good Jedi killers because
A. They can process as fast as a Jedi, most humans cannot. Even ARC Troopers can't move as fast as the better jedi.
B. There is no danger sense coming off from them as they don't have any feelings a Force User can read
C. They can calculate many possibilities and solutions while the actual fight is still talking. What they cannot calculate for is the force.
tacit charm
what about the scene where he reacts and deflects a laser
versed helm
Also clone wars is amazing
Spotted the Filoni fan
tacit charm
Spotted the Filoni fan
since he didnt say 'the clone wars' he could mean og legends clone wars
versed helm
TCW literally takes stuff or ideas from Dark Horse comics and does them... worse.
tacit charm
versed helm
Like they even stole the Togruta enslavment arc and made it worse XD
tribal dagger
TCW literally takes stuff or ideas from Dark Horse comics and does them... worse...
It’s overrated
I watched like a couple episodes of the cartoon it was ok
tacit charm
wait a minute
tribal dagger
Nothing special tho
tacit charm
when did you get in here
tribal dagger
Hi
tacit charm
tribal dagger
Ages ago
tacit charm
hm
versed helm
And no, the argument that it's non canon doesn't work.
It's still canon within SW, it's literally just another timeline like a thousand Marvel worlds and such.
And for that person who was saying about time travel with Luke, that's pretty much Marvel comics which were treated like hot garbage and mostly put into the non canon category after someone competent took over - aka DHC.
Wish they did the same for modern SW comics, they're soooooooooooooooooooo boring
Sooo
EU Empire/GAR/CIS/New Republic SW military wise >>>>> Canon SW military wise Empire/GAR/CIS/New Republic >>> Covies and UNSC military wise.
Let's not even talk about the Banished that have just plot armor soo far
versed helm
It’s overrated
It is.
So is Filoni's work.
versed helm
And people praise him like he's some sort of saviour, ignoring he was the person to ruin contuinity in the first place XD
They also praise him for Mandoverse which is horrible if you ask me
tribal dagger
Even mandalorian was mid, And then after the first season was awful
tribal dagger
They also praise him for Mandoverse which is horrible if you ask me
It’s sequel tier
People just like it because of nostalgia, Pretty visuals and cool mandalorians
versed helm
Mando has the case of it taking an entire season to move the plot the exact amount of
One chapter in a High Republic book.
tribal dagger
Half the series is side quests
versed helm
I think it looks pretty meh, you have an entire galaxy to explore, dozens of biomes and they just do 20 varaitions of a wasteland on a UE4 greenscreen.
Not gonna even talk about the Mandalorians as there is yet for ana ctual Mando to appear in the series.
tribal dagger
It’s the same planet
Even when it goes somewhere else
Oh look it’s another drab barren wasteland
With small settlements of people
Wow how refreshing
The prequels had the best variety
All the planets and settings
versed helm
I remember when SW actually wanted to tell a story in itself, pass on a message, show something cool, unique.
Now it's just a poor's man Heir to the Empire with worse characters.
As for characters, the fact that Bo Katan is still alive is absolutely hilarious XD
And everyone forgot she's a bloody terrorist and war criminal.
tribal dagger
Remember when they did new stuff?
With brand new original characters and stories
That actually had a point
And a message
versed helm
Yeah that's The High Republic.
Of course the brain dead current fanbase jumped on it because women had a big role and had - can you believe it - actual development lmao.
These days you can either have none or make a character appear completely OOC like Ahsoka and Luke in Mando and Boba.
God that's so bad of an potrayl, it physically hurts.
versed helm
Tks to the encyclopedia, silent storms and evolutions cov glassing is really pat...
Did they nerf it that much?
I always imagined it as a vastly less effective SW glassing, so I'm curious how nerfed it is
tribal dagger
These days you can either have none or make a character appear completely OOC li...
They ruined luke in those shows
They have to force jedi into everything
And just ruined them
versed helm
To be fair Filoni makes every Jedi he dislieks look like a knobhead.
He's like Karen Traviss, but Traviss wrote better stories imo.
And Luke is probably the biggest OOC bit in the shows.
"You have to pick between family and Jedi training" says the guy who picked both... a dozen times XD
tribal dagger
And Luke is probably the biggest OOC bit in the shows.
"You have to pick between...
Literally can’t even make the jedi consistant
tacit charm
Did they nerf it that much?
nerf, made it consistent, made it better that's up to you
100 meter crater is pathetic
tribal dagger
Luke spouting prequel era teachings
Like that wasn’t the whole reason the jedi order and republic fell
tribal dagger
And had to be rebuilt by luke to be better
tacit charm
versed helm
100 meter crater is pathetic
Bruh
tribal dagger
And had to be rebuilt by luke to be better
No we have to have forced drama for the gremlin
versed helm
And they probably hover over the crater for hours too XD?
versed helm
And had to be rebuilt by luke to be better
Yeah that was literally the point in the first timeline.
"You're not the last of the Jedi Luke, you're the first of the new." Kenobi literally agrees that the Jedi need to change and Luke does just that, through trial and error, creating the best version of the Jedi in lore.
tacit charm
what's wrong with jake skywalker in canon
fyi that's what mark hamil actually called him
versed helm
I'm aware
Luke in canon is only really good when Soule writes him.
And he writes him like EU Luke XD
tribal dagger
fyi that's what mark hamil actually called him
Yeah
versed helm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKTtRwVFDQU
I forgot this thing existed
Ugly butt scarab wannabe
tribal dagger
When the actor literally treats the character like a whole other person you know you messed up lol
versed helm
When the actor literally treats the character like a whole other person you know...
Good thing they didn't have that issue with TV show luke since they just did CGI XD
versed helm
Disney has no screenwriters/actors
Disney needs no screenwriters/actors
He just looks like Jedi Academy Luke with HD textures imo
native anvil
The Yokai helmet for the Samurai core mentions it’s worn by samurai who hunt down rogue members, makes me wonder if in that timeline, Agent Locke wears that helmet
near tide
I think it looks pretty meh, you have an entire galaxy to explore, dozens of bio...
Real mandolorians have appeared
versed helm
They are all Death Watch related, are they not?
near tide
Boba isn’t
versed helm
Boba isn't a Mandalorian in the Disney timeline
Oh wait they mentioned Mereel. I forgot.
Quite ironic given that he would probably try to murder every single Mando in the show for being DW related XD
valid hemlock
Damn, i don't remember joining a sw discord server 
versed helm
Tell that to the Covenant
last anchor
He's like Karen Traviss, but Traviss wrote better stories imo.
Star Wars has an annoying tendency to pick headstrong writers dont they
last anchor
Damn, i don't remember joining a sw discord server <:thinkingchief:4819011615956...
They're just covering up the fact that their series is dying and ours isnt.
I shudder to imagine what the main Star Wars server (if there is such a thing) looks like.
versed helm
Honestly if anything is dying it's Halo.
By virtual amount of normies watching Mando alone.
last anchor
Cause Disney shoved it in everyones face, yeah. And cause after the Sequels the fanbase needed somethign to go on.
"Oh good, no First Order, its original trilogy era, good enough"
And then add in various stuff Filoni worked on before to bring in the existing nerds who survived...insidous and elegant
last anchor
Old fans as in pre-Retconomicon I assume
versed helm
Nobody cares for sequels tho yeah XD
Pretty much
SW is dead creative wise
Halo is dead number wise I guess?
last anchor
Well its making money, take that as you will.
And the Encylopedia sold out of the store near me in less than a day. I got the third to last one and I saw people waiting with Halo gear on.
versed helm
Does the encyclopedia talk about the new infinite weapons like the commando peashooter
last anchor
YEs
versed helm
what do they say on it
It's a good weapon
Does literally nothing after some engineer called Threefourthree worked on it and nerfed it into oblivion
last anchor
They mean canonically.
valid hemlock
Does literally nothing after some engineer called Threefourthree worked on it an...
343 obnoxious requests 
versed helm
They mean canonically.
Probably canonically unpopular for being a weaker and underpowered weapon, should be cast into the silver timeline void
versed helm
Does literally nothing after some engineer called Threefourthree worked on it an...
Well the gun does fire weaker rounds than ar and br
last anchor
Smaller, not weaker.
versed helm
7.62 and 9.5 are bigger stoppers than 6.5
last anchor
Depends on the powder load behind them and what they're made of.
5.9mm in the P90 will drop you through body armor more effectively than a 7.62 will for example.
versed helm
The Commando is there probably because the Infinity needed to salvage random outdated BS to have guns
last anchor
Raw size is only one part of it.
versed helm
The Commando is there probably because the Infinity needed to salvage random out...
343 wanted to get rid of fan faves to make room for weak guns
last anchor
Misrah was taken over by the Commando, remember?
Also; you going to do anything other than complain?
If not, take it to Infinite or wherever they talk about balance.
You wanna have an actual lore conversation, cool. I'll be here.
versed helm
shouldnt the infinity be armed with top of the line equipment and not dated ones
last anchor
The UNSC gets most of its arms and armor from Misrah and other large corporations, yes?
Remember what happened at the end of 5, with smart AI the UNSC over pledging themselves to the Created.
That includes most of the larger companies, as they used smart AIs for a lot of stuff.
Infinity has whatever they can scavange, make, or steal.
versed helm
They could probably just throw the Commando under other existing manufacturers as they Commando factory just made one other weapon in the lore.
Ah no wait, they just made the commando lol
last anchor
That we know of.
Presumably they made others since they've been active for centuries. They served the CMA after all.
versed helm
They didn't serve it, they sold them the Commando to replace the main CMA weapon which was the HMG-38
last anchor
Eh, close enough.
versed helm
And no there isn't any date on how long said company was active lol
last anchor
Check the bit below.
"Enduring line of firearms"
So presumably theres other weapons they make.
That said, theres going to be loads of weapons companies across the entire breadth of UNSC Space (see; Sabine Arms, who make the SA-10 Veta Lopis used)
What you see in game is not what you get. Nor is the listed lore all there probably is
versed helm
Plus infinites additions makes more lore archival panic and messups than there aready is
unique rune
Halopedia having two pages for the Commando seems like an... odd choice.
humble yacht
Probably because commando can refer to the weapon or a particular type of soldier
There’s also the commando subtype of mjolnir
unique rune
No, like they have a disambiguation page for the term for that reason, but the gun itself has two separate pages.
abstract wren
ok it's because on is for the univers and the other for gameplay
unique rune
...But why do those have to be separate?
Halopedia generally keeps that info on the same page for weapons.
abstract wren
...But why do those have to be separate?
not asking question on the organization of Halopedia
unique rune
@obsidian thistle Is there any particular reason the VK78 Commando has two distinct pages currently on Halopedia?
ebon pike
Maybe because its a new gun?
obsidian thistle
<@228305216611549196> Is there any particular reason the VK78 Commando has two d...
Gameplay and Lore
terse pecan
guys does the master chief go in the soda in halo lore?
unique rune
Gameplay and Lore
Out of curiosity, is this change going to be made to all weapons on Halopedia going forward?
obsidian thistle
Thats the idea!
unique rune
Aight, cool.
obsidian thistle
Halopedia wasnt (still isnt in a lotta areas) the best for gameplay stuff.
So this change is to start improving that area
unique rune
Yeah, definitely understand that. Very useful for lore but a lot of the gameplay pages would benefit from some cleanup and improvement.
obsidian thistle
Its debated "how" its done however. But that isnt a discussion for this server.
Just that its a potiential fix to the gameplay isnt recorded well issue
I dont lead that project however
@unique rune
unique rune
Ah, alright. Well, good to have that clarification.
obsidian thistle
If ya ever feel something is odd on the wiki feel free to @ me or message me directly aha! (I known ya long enough already aha)
gusty ridge
Real battle
Soldier clad in a Powered Fighting Suit from Joe Haldeman's The Forever War or a Spartan in his typical Mjolnir armor
Actually that's probably super one-sided considering one is an ultra special forces raised-from-childhood-to-be-the-ultimate-killer type of deal vs your average infantryman wearing the most powerful equipment ever produced
The soldier could one-tap the Spartan but the Spartan is also like, a Spartan who could just outwit the poor dude at any point
fair hazel
Spotted the Filoni fan
If you're trying to somehow pass that off as an insult or something. Take that somewhere else, not on this server. Don't need such behaviour.
Also thinking glassing a hundred meters deep is somehow pathetic???
What?
If you're looking to throw around biggatons only, maybe halo isn't for you even if it's powerful. There's also story..
fair hazel
Gameplay and Lore
I thought that's what it was. Gameplay vs lore, though maybe a (gameplay) identifier would work on the page? I'm not sure
tacit charm
hey not my problem halo is krap in power scaling also considering how encyclopaedia makes that 100 meter crater such a big deal, yes it is actually pathetic
gusty ridge
Is there a problem with being a Filoni fan tho
Last I checked he was pretty good at what he does
Especially with TCW
gusty ridge
Everything is subjective to some capacity
There's always the 10% or 20% but it's not unknown that Dave's work is generally met with praise and positive response
And usually for good reason, although I personally only know him for TCW
And I think Mandalorian and Boba Fett too, pretty sure he had some say in those, if not just marginally.
fair hazel
It does not, nor does it say crater. Your reading comprehension requires improvement.
fair hazel
Is there a problem with being a Filoni fan tho
And no, there is no problem.
fair hazel
There's always the 10% or 20% but it's not unknown that Dave's work is generally...
Generally yeah. Also dave is george's protegé basically
I do wish halo had shows like mando, clone wars, boba fett etc
Canon shows which can tell different stories
So, different from the tv series we have now
tacit charm
still only says 100 meters and if anything that's worse
additionally it adds up with the few square kilometres line in silent storms
and then you have evolutions where kholo elite dude just says it requires hundreds of ships to fully glass a planet
depending on how you read the whole line he might not be even referring to the entire planet since it would imply the cov had fully glassed human worlds prior to reach and kholo
on top of that you still have stuff like a heavy cruiser getting yeeted by hornet/s in space and be strained by megatons of ke
terse lava
I dont mind Filoni, I enjoyed any scene that focused on clones. But I will always hate that dumb implant
Aa for glassing, while the idea of melting every cm of a world into molten glass is clearly long ago retconned, I do like to think the Covenant possess weapons for that exact purpose, for if they stumble across planet-wide flood taint
tacit charm
the glassing station in escalations might be one of them if you take its description literally
it also by extension makes the infinity even more op than people think
near tide
Aa for glassing, while the idea of melting every cm of a world into molten glass...
Glassing was never retconned
terse lava
@near tide the power of it was, originally a covenant fleet.could literally glass every square cm of a world
This was also though part of the older lore, where it was implied thr Covenant controlled most of the galaxy
near tide
Ah
For reach they just glasses important parts
Although they might have been in a hurry
empty tundra
"The fleet that destroyed Reach was 50 times this size." -Lord Hood
"It fled, as we set fire to their planet." -Thel Vadamee
I imagine they just glassed important areas and move on
near tide
Feels like covenant is getting weaker as lore continues
empty tundra
Feels like covenant is getting weaker as lore continues
Making the main villains seem weaker feels like a bad idea in my mind
I think the Banished is a good excuse to introduce some new stuff
near tide
But in silent storm or whatever the prequel to the one on weatherop is, they can glass an entire planet
And it’s a recent book
empty tundra
The planet's name is Netherop I think
Also didn't John and his spartans and Johnson destroy an entire Covenant Carrier? I imagine the Covenant would be pissed
Also they did destroy the carrier prior to Silent Storm
I think hold on
No they destroyed it in Silent storm
Halo: Oblivion is the one with the Tatooine style planet aka Netherop
near tide
Ah yeah
near tide
The planet's name is Netherop I think
Also didn't John and his spartans and John...
During which operation?
Johnson was in the book but only after the Spartans blew up the carrier
empty tundra
It is said in Oblivion that the Covenant started destroying a whole lot more planets after the events of Silent Storm
I don't remember the name of the operation
near tide
It is said in Oblivion that the Covenant started destroying a whole lot more pla...
Yeah
empty tundra
Also a Forerunner artifact was damaged in the process
near tide
A luminous beacon?
fair hazel
I dont mind Filoni, I enjoyed any scene that focused on clones. But I will alway...
Implants much better to me than simply following orders
empty tundra
Luminar Beacons appeared in Oblivion but I don't remember if they appeared in Silent Storm
They were the main reason for the action on Netherop
fair hazel
Glassing planets and methods of glassing can depend
Sometime some planets are glassed more than others, sometimes the covenant attack but don't fully glass
Yes they can, but like, what's the size of the fleet? What is the composition of the fleet?
It depends
near tide
I like glassing beams bring able to glass planets in decent speeds
empty tundra
Implants much better to me than simply following orders
Makes sense that they are manipulated by a Sith Lord rather than upholding the will of some dark shadowy figure they don't know about who orders them to kill the generals who have sacrificed all for their survival
near tide
At least with a large fleet
empty tundra
Halo Canon mentions that the name of the Operation might've been Silent Storm
fair hazel
It's relative to time, and size and ship composition.
near tide
I feel like prometheans really bore me for some reason
fair hazel
Of course, it's not like you have to glass every single centimeter of a planet to do a good glassing job or render it unlivable
fair hazel
I feel like prometheans really bore me for some reason
They do not for me. In fact, they should be explored more
Enshackled minds
near tide
It’s just robot guys idk
near tide
Yess
I do want to see that
Also another large scale war like the HCW
Prometheans on a large scale would be interesting
Aside from created conflict ofc
fair hazel
They definitely need to do more with the created and show things
And show some of cortana's promises
I'd really like to see aleria basically turned green in the span of a few months
Or the start
Bring nuance to the created
digital parrot
Asking the question again
Do energy swords give off any noticeable radiation?
Since it is a plasma sword?
And would it affect a marine if they used it for a long while as they don’t have armor to protect them?
terse lava
Well, we do find out from an ONI agent in The Mona Lisa short story, the members of thr Covenant have developed an immunity to the radiation their weapons emit
steady dune
in alot of halo games, the energy sword seems to seethe with plasma. It's most noticeable for me in halo 2 idk why
terse lava
Well it is just contained in a shaped magnetic field
steady dune
oo i would also think the energy shields all spartans and elites have equipped would provide some protection from radiation emitted from most covenant weapons
but not as effective against something like radiation flares from planet glassings
but whos really thinking long term effects of plasma exposure when u got a plasma sword thrusted into your chest >.>
royal whale
Cancer probably isn't an issue anymore in that time
steady dune
well isnt science fiction just dandy!
tacit charm
But in silent storm or whatever the prequel to the one on weatherop is, they can...
Actually that was the problem, they couldnt or didnt glass etlan fast enough and resorted to glassing a volcano
Just saying even if they can produce a gigaton of energy per ship those 100,000ish housings should have been yeeted in less than a week
But it wasnt
Also yes covenant are just getting weaker as the lore goes on, same for forerunners
I do love the new descriptions on planet breakers
And i also love the fact that the book also states a few dreadoughts can cause life ending damages to a planet but not destroying a planet outright
devout pulsar
Anyone read many of the books?
I read the first three and I’m trying to decide which to pickup next
jovial furnace
Anyone read many of the books?
I read all of em
Depends on your taste
Alot of the books are part of unamed triologys and that does kinda suck tbh
So you can't just pick one up randomly
Envoy is a good standalone tho
unique rune
I read the first three and I’m trying to decide which to pickup next
Give this page a look and just go with whatever interests you most, honestly.
https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels
jovial furnace
Some books are in antholagys
So like don't buy shadow of intent or saints testimony
gilded mason
To be specific, those two are now included in Halo Fractures
jovial furnace
Ye
versed helm
Especially with TCW
Filoni's inovlment in TCW was mostly retconning stuff.
Out of all the 7 seasons he solo wrote like 5 episodes lol
That being said Filoni and TCW in general are disliked by the old community for retconning better stories, making beloved characters OOC morons and stealing Dark Horse arcs to make a less engaging arc.
gilded mason
Yup
versed helm
The funny thing is that a sourcebook later on tried to fix this by implying TCW is COMPONR propaganda XD
spiral jewel
It occurred to me, aside from the Ur-Didact (possibility), did the Harbinger know that nearly all the forerunners are Dust and Echos?
Or did she not,?
last anchor
Cancer probably isn't an issue anymore in that time
It very much is not. An ODST who developed one in his liver didnt even know what it was. The ships autodoc put him under and cut it out of him simple.
last anchor
It occurred to me, aside from the *Ur-Didact* (possibility), did the Harbinger ...
Depends on if Escharum told her or not. Even if she did I doubt it would shift her plans much.
terse lava
I think even if she is made aware, she'd still seek to wipe out their legacy, and hunt down any who yet live
dense falcon
It very much is not. An ODST who developed one in his liver didnt even know what...
I remember that story, he talked about cancer the way we talk about smallpox nowadays.
spiral jewel
By 2560, who knows how many forerunners are still alive... though the numbers are probably very low...
terse lava
We know a few are around at least
last anchor
Imprints across various worlds, whoever might have survived the Exile.
Some others still locked in cryptums or cylixes perhaps
last anchor
I remember that story, he talked about cancer the way we talk about smallpox now...
Frankie's Midnight On The Heart of Midlothian. One of the really good ones from Evolutions, IMO.
terse lava
I am willing to bet any children from the original exiles could have returned as well
terse pecan
Who is Offensive Bias i've heard a lot about them but never read any of the books
terse lava
@terse pecan he is a highly advanced forerunner AI, that was designed to counter the rampant, flood loyal, Mendicant Bias.
terse pecan
thanks
last anchor
Oh man, the armor this season...we got some good hints in the lore.
"combat exibitionists" are a thing apparently...
untold wasp
we got our first banished ai nice
languid ermine
I don't know how I feel about the rakshasa armor
languid ermine
Welcome to battle royales
humble yacht
Sir this is the lore channel
languid ermine
Sir this is the lore channel
Rakshasa armor lore
Actually, where even is Agatha and "our" spartan right now? Are we on the ring or are there separate banished attacks happening else where
slate urchin
Johnson academy of military science
last anchor
New Tyne?
dense falcon
Capital City of Venezia, independent colony first introduced in the Kilo-Five trilogy, known for housing lots of runaways, criminals, smugglers, and many other kinds of people, as well as some Covenant races.
mortal socket
New Tyne Armory?
the description just says it all
i love how they used a meme for it
btw, are the lones wolves like Spartans Dihn and Echland considered Spartan IV's or Spartan III's?
humble yacht
Rakshasa armor core doesn’t look like it would be powered
Don’t see anywhere on the armor that a power core would fit
unique rune
btw, are the lones wolves like Spartans Dihn and Echland considered Spartan IV's...
They're Spartan-IVs. They wouldn't have last names if they were Spartan-IIIs, just alphanumeric designations.
mortal socket
Rakshasa armor core doesn’t look like it would be powered
i think the reason being is that the Spartan III armor had a few lights on the armor and enemies could potentially see the spartan so they made the armor so it'd be harder to notice the spartan however, it would mean you would have to worry about not getting shot too much since it doesn't seem that it can integrate shields
humble yacht
Power is for more than shields
The reactor in mjolnir is what gives it strength enhancement. Without that, it’s basically half a ton of weights you’re wearing
mortal socket
i guess thats why it looks so light that even a regular human can wear it
humble yacht
But then it’s not powered armor
burnt pulsar
Anyone know the lore behind the random cavemen?
I forgot which game they are in
terse lava
Just a fun little thing, no lore on them
humble yacht
Easter egg. Iirc it’s the face of one of the Bungie devs
lofty cosmos
Just a fun little thing, no lore on them
Oh hey I've seen you on the Halo Fanon server
jovial furnace
i hope we see a gao armory for some reason
lofty cosmos
i hope we see a gao armory for some reason
What is that?
loud fjord
Gotta love the brutes being the most unique covie species with their tech and progress
terse lava
Is rather interesting, pragmatic yet practical
jovial furnace
What is that?
Another innserectionist planet but it's more... well actually organized with a govemrent and had healthy relations to the ueg for a while
lofty cosmos
Interesting
near tide
i had 19 kills and lot to someone with 2
That’s the way it goes slmetumesb
Ctf ,elimination, battle Royale
Many gamemodes, inside and out of halo have it so you don’t win with just the most kills
fair hazel
This is the lore channel
fair hazel
I need to look at all the lore of the new items
loud kestrel
I need to look at all the lore of the new items
u gonna share?
last anchor
Lot of interesting stuff.
Whispers of things more lethal than Spartans, the UNSC is basically scraping everything it can off the floor.
No indication of where Rakshasa is powered from though, I dont see a backpack reactor.
...
Not quite lore but one of the Eaglestrike helmets has a UNSC recruiter helmet and oh boy, its basically a press ganger.
Eaglestrike is GRIMDARK thats for sure.
unique rune
Some of the items for the Rakshasa core have Lux Voluspa listed as a manufacturer, which has me curious if it’s some kind of shell company for an arm of the Banished.
last anchor
If it was, they didnt know they worked for em, considering those were the guys the Banished hit in the trailer.
unique rune
Hrm. I must’ve misinterpreted the teaser.
gilded mason
Lot of interesting stuff.
And apparently Spartans have started taking Banished war trophies because their SoS teammates do it. So some amount of Spartans are basically integrating themselves into SoS culture.
unique rune
So we know now the funny shape during the “data transferring” screen is Iratus. And Lux Voluspa appears to be in AI development to some extent.
…Maybe the Banished hijacked their facilities and/or resources to create Iratus?
wintry oyster
What’s the adverage human height in halo?
frosty swan
The adverage eh? 🤔
pure cliff
In regards to the Rakshasa, given that like MJOLNIR, the suit is comprised of several layers, I would not be surprised if the powerplant is somehow integrated into the suit itself, though it is difficult to discern where specifically.
obsidian thistle
So we know now the funny shape during the “data transferring” screen is Iratus. ...
Actually, it looks like the Banished stold Lux Voluspa tech and thats how Iratus was created
As Lux Voluspa according to Halo Infinite Story and Intel (which I suppose will get a page on Halopedia soon) goes over how they experimented with non-Human AI.
Source for those curious: https://www.halowaypoint.com/halo-infinite
rain wren
Yes
versed helm
Yeah the Banished don't seem really
"Sets up a fake human company" tier of smart.
humble yacht
Lux Voluspa imo sounds like something related to the created rather than the banished
unique rune
Source for those curious: https://www.halowaypoint.com/halo-infinite
Ahh, I didn’t see that on the website. Interesting.
spiral jewel
Do we know what year Iratus was created exactly?
humble yacht
I want to know whether he’s volitional or not
And if he is, whether he suffers the same drawbacks as human smart AI
tame ore
You know, the various armor cores being released in the game that they have chosen to explain as being from alternate timelines or universes or whatever, could've been so much easier to explain and implement in lore of the had just called it the monetization of the ever expanding Spartan 2 program (I'm pretty sure I'm getting that right. I am, of course referring to the next wave of Spartans that were introduced in Halo 4). I imagine it would work just the same as anything else, once people started to realize the ease of creating new Spartans. You would then get varying types and looks of armor as other countries and planets became involved in the growing business that has now become the Spartan arms race. Everyone who is anyone would want to have their name plastered on the news reels about how it's your armor that Spartans are wearing today. That way, it would actually make sense when you see a yoroi armor core in the new story cinematic. Btw, love that there's a yoroi armor core in the new cinematic lol. I don't personally use mine very much but it's cool seeing these new core designs being used in cinematic scenes. Just wish they made more sense being there😂😂
versed helm
You play as a Spartan II in most of the game campaigns, the new Spartans are SIVs.
The development of a single MJOLNIR armor costs as much as a battlegroup I believe, ain't no random non-military contractor gonna build that.
unique rune
A single suit of Mk.IV cost about as much as a destroyer to manufacture during the war. Starting with the GEN2 platform in the post-war era, development and construction costs went down significantly and a lot of development ended up outsourced to a lot of contractors.
What they're suggesting honestly isn't that different from what actually canonically happened with GEN2.
Lots of competing, specialized (and sometimes odd-looking) MJOLNIR variations produced by all sorts of different companies who wanted a stake in the market.
loud fjord
Wonder how much of the Spartan 2 program also wasted on dead end research, and maybe some embezzlement.
last anchor
None of it, unless you count Col Ackerson making the IIIs off Halsey's back.
ONI doesnt take kindly to embezzlement. People who do usually find themselves Ben Jirad'd.
They say where the money goes and they control its flow. Theres no civilian interaction and the UEG has very few actual politicians (especially during the Covenant War when they stepped down to let the UNSC run everything)
Everything they researched eventually led to something as well, with the biggest "Dead ends" being stuff like the Prototype on Algolis...which was a dead end because it was used to butcher a couple hundred Covenant. While they were invading the planet.
Even then its data went on to develop the modern Cyclops and Mantis suits, plus enhancements to MJLONIR and more.
This aint lore, mate, this is personal opinion. Put it in general so it'll get buried as usual.
last anchor
And apparently Spartans have started taking Banished war trophies because their ...
Vale certainly seems to have hit it off well with them so I wouldnt be surprised.
Warriors all etc.
loud fjord
You don't think that there was any projects that didn't really go anywhere that just weren't mentioned at all?
last anchor
No. Humanity used everything it ended up creating in one form or another.
If not in direct tactical, then in some other direction. Probably Beta-5 or somewhere similar.
Anything that wasnt as useful as it could be probably ended up falling to the Covenant.
valid hemlock
who's halo and how did he die in reach?
unique rune
John Halo is still alive and hiding in a cave on Reach
humble yacht
Jon Heylow
boreal bane
untold wasp
it is very interesting
fair hazel
Book delay
gilded mason
It really sucks; I wonder what happened.
fair hazel
We really need more authors to write more books and book series
Right now we pretty much have only two
Still confused about the new core
I get the theme and stuff but elements. Still confused abou that lone wolves are too
are they not headhunters?
terse lava
Guess not
fair hazel
Guess at this point. No confirmations no clarrifications
dense falcon
Book delay
Is it Rubicon Protocol?
fair hazel
No, outcasts
dense falcon
So not october anymore?
tropic forge
Not even 2022 anymore
versed helm
Right now we pretty much have only two
Hmm now that you mention it, with the exception of Battleborn and Enovy, Kelly and Troy have been writing Halo books non-stop since 2015 lol
versed helm
So not october anymore?
2023 at the earliest.
gilded mason
Yeah, I hope his surgery goes well.
fair hazel
I hope so. Hoping everything will be okay for Troy
valid hemlock
https://twitter.com/TDenningauthor/status/1521962836137811968
damn, hate to see that but health it's first
terse lava
Well now that I know the reason, forget the book, hope Troy gets better
fair hazel
Yes. It's very scary.
severe cosmos
Should probably be in general hold on.
Also, whats with the banished AI?
steep gate
I’m not gonna lie I really miss the way halo reaches cutscenes we’re scripted
There’s just so many little details
And the dialogs great
But I feel like the halo infinites dialog in the new season 2 cut scene feels forced with emotions
I feel like the halo story is become less mature and more kid friendly
last anchor
We really need more authors to write more books and book series
Someone get Tim Zahn on the horn.
last anchor
I feel like the halo story is become less mature and more kid friendly
Feels the same as it always has to me. CEs stuff was pretty kid-friendly, till you got to 343 Guilty Spark and the Flood rolled out.
steep gate
Well the story for halo wasent really fleshed out yet
They didn’t exactly know where they were going with the game or if it was even gonna be a hit
last anchor
Also, Reach...ehhhh.
steep gate
Reach was sad and depressing
last anchor
Reach felt bad to me. Forced.
Like Bungie was attempting to pour these characters into a mold that Nylund made and it didnt work.
If they had stuck to what he wrote, it would have been fine.
But they tried to make Noble into impromptu S-IIs and failed there too
steep gate
Reach felt bad to me. Forced.
Like Bungie was attempting to pour these character...
That’s what infinite feels like 20x for me
sturdy monolith
Is the new armor core actually mjlonir? Or just compatible with mjlonir?
last anchor
Latter