lore-and-universe

[clear vortex]

All of the marines differ from game to game

[fair hazel]

Oh Unupgraded ?

Now I’m confused

[barren ferry]

While nothing compared to stuff like DBZ or Sonic I’m pretty sure WH40K is still more OP compared to Halo

[severe cosmos]

Compare normal mode marines to halo wars cinematic marines.

[sick vine]

in lore or gameplay? in gameplay a squad of marines can tank 2 atacks of a wraith in normal and i think just one in legendary

[severe cosmos]

Gameplay

[clear vortex]

The halo 2 and CE are the most similar in terms of gameplay

@severe cosmos I think I found a video explaining the differences I’ll try to find it

[fair hazel]

Forerunners take it

[sick vine]

the flood watching in the corner

[fair hazel]

Right the flood

[clear vortex]

@fair hazel can I post links here ?

[barren ferry]

Tyranids

Are a thing

[clear vortex]

Yeah by a long shot

[fair hazel]

Relevant links

[clear vortex]

@severe cosmos https://youtu.be/6MDvI-JSYrw

Embed fail

That’s the video

The tyranids would wipe the floor with the flood

[severe cosmos]

K thanks i check that out

[clear vortex]

Ahhhh

[barren ferry]

Also how are infection forms even supposed to affect armored space marines

Don’t they have large building level durability

[clear vortex]

The tyranids actively evolve against threats

Titans exist

Black stone fortress

C h a o s

[barren ferry]

For reference I’m pretty sure that’s what’s required to be 100% immune to Small Arms Fire, City Block Level-Multi-City Block Level is the durability level required to be immune to basically all realistic bullets

AT and AA weaponry included

[clear vortex]

I don’t understand what that means

Ong

[barren ferry]

You mean the durability/attack potency tiers?

If you’re not a powerscaler or vs debater I wouldn’t expect you to

[clear vortex]

Yeah everything you just said went right over my head

[tacit charm]

well with chaos and all ye kinda

[clear vortex]

Just one wh40k faction would decimate halo

[barren ferry]

I’d read this attack potency chart for a better understanding https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

[tacit charm]

also no i aint using vs battles chaos info, that site just confuses me with it's ranking

[barren ferry]

Do note the tiering system is alright @tacit charm

It’s their scaling

That is absolute trash

[tacit charm]

it's fine

ye that

[barren ferry]

They have elites

At street level

💀

[clear vortex]

I’m still confused

[barren ferry]

What part are you at on it

[clear vortex]

I’m c o n f u s e d

My brain is gonna explode

[barren ferry]

It’s basically just the term used to describe how much damage a character can produce

Or thing

Basically the energy of the attack

Also if elites are street level

How the hell

Can they survive plasma blasts

From their own rifles

Or compete with SPARTAN IIs

In armor

[fair hazel]

Don’t put faith into that site

[barren ferry]

Well again their tiering system is fine

However

Their scaling is what is trash

And what I generally don’t put any trust into apart from the most basic things

[fair hazel]

Warhammer stuff tends to be strong but I feel overstimated. Other debaters have gone through it and I’ve read some stuff sometimes. Though warhammer isn’t my favourite

[barren ferry]

For all you heavier halo lore experts on here

How accurate is this page

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Master_Chief?so=search

[clear vortex]

Yeah warhammer moves the BS meter up a lot

Even the basic grunts could go toe to to with a lot of halo enemies

[barren ferry]

Also why are Elites weaker than unarmored Spartan IIs on this site

[clear vortex]

Especially sly marbo

[barren ferry]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sangheili?so=search

Look at how they lowball the elites

[versed helm]

halo >> star wars.

[humble yacht]

The games scale everything to Spartans so that’s why jackals and grunts seem weak

[clear vortex]

Sly marbo defeats all

Yeah a jackal would probably beat a human 99% of the time

[fair hazel]

I just don’t like the war hammer setting much I mean. Less interest in it than say Star Wars. I like the Star Wars setting. So it’s funner to imagine the interactions.

[barren ferry]

Nah they’re scaling with lore accurate stats

[clear vortex]

I like both

[humble yacht]

Sly Cooper beats Sly Marbo

[barren ferry]

Apparently

[fair hazel]

Reminded when Byrne and Johnson took on those jackals

[barren ferry]

I can see Jackals being in the street tiers

But elites are Wall Level

Easily

[clear vortex]

Those are trained soldiers

Johnson is a Spartan

A trained soldier would fare much better than a regular human

[fair hazel]

I’m still not fully over the encyclopedia

[clear vortex]

While grunts look goofy they do have pretty thigh hides

And are pretty strong for their size

[humble yacht]

Theyre closely related to crustaceans so they practically have an exoskeleton

[clear vortex]

Yeah

[barren ferry]

Can jackals or grunts physically one shot humans

[fair hazel]

Stolt can

[barren ferry]

I think being in the high end street tier would let them do that

[clear vortex]

And a crustacean the size of a toddler would be very intimidating

[fair hazel]

Do you think Stolt will appear in outcasts?

[barren ferry]

Given even that level of AP is deadly to us

[clear vortex]

Not to mention they are expert climbers

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[barren ferry]

Wall Level or above one shots us by default

Like .50 cals

[fair hazel]

I hope Stolt will appear in outcasts but he’d probably be tied to the shadow of intent and rtas

[clear vortex]

Who is stolt

[fair hazel]

The grunt

[clear vortex]

Hmmm

[tacit charm]

gigachad grunt

[clear vortex]

Never heard of him

[fair hazel]

Can’t wait for outcasts

[tacit charm]

man yeeted the crap out of all the elites he's sparred with and allegedly fought and sent a spartan fleeing

[clear vortex]

The only halo novel I have is first contact

[fair hazel]

I’m sure the survivors will be back. Question is. Will human and sangheili survivors have killed each other or form something else?

[clear vortex]

Or whatever it’s called

[humble yacht]

I feel like outcasts is gonna downplay the created in favor of some other faction

[fair hazel]

Ah so you’re not extra familiar with the books ?

[humble yacht]

Which is basically what SoR did

[clear vortex]

Sadly no

[fair hazel]

We do need to really go in depth into created world

[clear vortex]

I wanna get the forerunner books though

[tacit charm]

gross

[fair hazel]

What?

[clear vortex]

🤨

The forerunners are my favorite faction

[humble yacht]

I’m not a fan of some of the elements the forerunner trilogy added to the canon

[clear vortex]

The covenant are my second favorite

[tacit charm]

favourite faction in halo or favourite faction period?

[clear vortex]

With the flood/precursors in third

[tacit charm]

[clear vortex]

Halo

[fair hazel]

Silentium and legacy of onyx are my favourite halo novels

[clear vortex]

I don’t really have a favorite faction

[humble yacht]

I’d rate the endless above the flood

And we don’t even know what they are!

[clear vortex]

We don’t have a lot of info on them for me to rate them yet

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[humble yacht]

That was the joke

Even not knowing about them, they’re better than flood. Because that’s how little I like the flood

[clear vortex]

Tyranids are better than the flood

[fair hazel]

You ought to read some of those books goose.

[barren ferry]

Why don’t you like the flood

[fair hazel]

I enjoy that there’s a soma the painter and encyclopedia connection

[clear vortex]

I’m poor

No money

[barren ferry]

They’re pretty good antagonists

[humble yacht]

Not that it matters why I like or don’t like something but I find them boring and narratively limiting

[tacit charm]

idk how exactly a hive fleet would deal with star roads

[barren ferry]

I mean they do rely on contrivances against the forerunners so

I do understand that POV with the flood from the novels

[clear vortex]

GW BS

[barren ferry]

?

[humble yacht]

Geralt Witcher big sword

[fair hazel]

I should watch the Witcher

[clear vortex]

That’s how the tyranids would defeat the star roads

[humble yacht]

You really want to beat star roads?

Call Kirby

[barren ferry]

Or Sonic

Or bayonetta

Or basically any OP Video game/anime characters lol

[severe cosmos]

calls Minecraft steve

[barren ferry]

Bro

[humble yacht]

No I meant because Kirby literally eats stars

[barren ferry]

People actually think the Star Fox universe stands a chance

[humble yacht]

Well I guess he eats everything. Actually

[barren ferry]

Against the halo universe

💀

[severe cosmos]

I though he ate stuff and shot out stars?
Idk tho I don’t play kirby much

[humble yacht]

He can eat stars too

[barren ferry]

Yeah bro one freakin star system

Stands a chance against the UNSC

Or Covenant

Star Fox is literally too young of a verse for it to stand a chance against any of the big 3 sci fis

[severe cosmos]

°-°
barrel rolls

[barren ferry]

Those being Star Wars, Halo and Star Trek

[humble yacht]

Then don’t compare entire universes

Just compare Star fox to a seraph pilot or something

[barren ferry]

I’m questioning why some people think Star Fox stands a chance against the Covenant alone

[humble yacht]

Who wins a dog fight

[barren ferry]

In space the banshee should win

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[severe cosmos]

Theres more covenant fighters so they would be overwhelmed i assume.

[humble yacht]

Banshees are inferior to seraphs in a vacuum

[humble yacht]

Dogfights are 1v1

[severe cosmos]

Well then probably fox.
I don’t assume the covenant would play by the same rules tho.

[humble yacht]

His whole thing is piloting

When setting up vs scenarios you can choose the parameters yourself

[severe cosmos]

Well then…

Chief vs The Doomslayer?

[clear vortex]

Doomslayer is immortal

[severe cosmos]

Gameplay wise he can be killed.

[clear vortex]

And has the BFG

[clear vortex]

He’s immortal

He could one shot chief with a slap

He only uses guns because he got bored of punching things

And the BFG would melt chief

[severe cosmos]

Welll…
Guess chief has a SAW then.
(Actually where does the SAW fit in the halo weapons list?)

[clear vortex]

Again he’s immortal

He kills god

He literally kills god

[humble yacht]

I mean the rules of those two universes are so far removed that it’s not really a far matchup.

Doom slayer would win but it’s not that interesting of a fight

[severe cosmos]

But a god would also have an immortality trait i would think.

Just because something can’t die From a old age doesn’t mean it can’t be killed. (EX: The Doctor, although I don’t think they died yet)

[clear vortex]

He’s so angry he bypassed it

[humble yacht]

Immortality is not the same thing as invulnerability

[clear vortex]

He kills titan demons

Even a pinky could probably kill chief

[humble yacht]

Pinkies kill doom slayer all the time

At least when I play

[clear vortex]

A mancubus would just melt chief

[severe cosmos]

cough cough kirby

[clear vortex]

Yeah they suck

Especially when they get invisibility

80% of the deamons In doom could kill chief rather easily

[severe cosmos]

Which the Doomslayer could do as well in theroy…?

Actually wait theres a doom mod video in #471727324895641651

[unique rune]

Seems like Uny’s debunked the Lux Voluspa website as not being real. Alright then.

[last anchor]

Damn.

[humble yacht]

For the best, probably

[stable spade]

Yes, you are correct

No, not Noble Actual. The character is not named, it's like a friendly UNSC voice that occasionally tells the player how to use certain in-game items. I think @unique rune described it quite well as an "unnamed ONI command staff guy"

[versed helm]

DOT?

[stable spade]

it's a male

[last anchor]

Only one I can think of is the one in Sword Base, and even then all he comments on is the Target Locator.
SWORD Control?

[versed helm]

forklift?

[rare fiber]

so has anybody else just completely blocked out the whole flood-forerunner-precursor thing or is it just me

[versed helm]

wdym?

[rare fiber]

i was doing a lot of late night halopedia browsing that i do sometimes n i get that the flood were precursors n whatever... but the more i read into it, the flood made it outside the galaxy

and there's allegedly this unspoken potential that the entire neighboring galaxies is all flood

and that combined with the spores and everything that have been like retconned three times

there is basically this plot hole now where the flood may or may not be the only other thing that exists outside of the known milky way given how the flood spreads and has absolutely no known 100% cure/defeat

[gilded mason]

there is basically this plot hole now where the flood may or may not be the only other thing that exists outside of the known milky way
The Forerunners figuring that Flood exists outside the galaxy is the whole reason they kept specimens alive, so that maybe a "cure" could one day be discovered

So I wouldn't really call it a plot hole or anythin'.

[tacit charm]

if you're talking about the gravemind line well first off that dude sus asf and as for the whole flood being ghosted for 10,000ish years well there's also the possibility that the flood literally only infected one maybe two planets and then came back to the galaxy

not saying intergalactic flood isnt possible just with no recent lore implying/hinting at this notion well idk seems like most flood were yeeted in the ff war(idc if it is or isnt honestly both results will satisfy me)

[tame gazelle]

The logistics of the Spartan-II program are breaking my brain

The procedures. How many of them were known things? How many did Halsey invent wholesale?

The bone thing for example. Did they do that before? How did they know how to do it?

[humble yacht]

The spartan II program was the first of its kind to apply those procedures in that fashion

The predecessor program, project Orion, not not augment it’s subjects nearly as much

[tame gazelle]

Oh, I know all about Project Orion

But then how did they know all that stuff would work? Did Halsey make all that up herself? Did they have doctors consulting? Biologists? idk, physicists?

Did they have a bunch more stolen kids that we don't know about to test it on?

[humble yacht]

If you’re asking if they did standard animal trials before experimenting on the kids, I’d assume they did not

Halsey probably went straight to clinical trials

[tame gazelle]

Right, but clinical trials on who?

[humble yacht]

The kids

[tame gazelle]

So out of 75 test cases, the first of its kind, for all those crazy procedures, only twelveworked?

I guess I shouldn't discount how much their tech has advanced, not even thinking about what a Smart AI could do.

It's still kinda staggering, you know?

[versed helm]

What do you mean twelve?
35 Spartans were agumented fully. There were some washouts who also got them like Red Team.

Out of 75 SIIs there is only one confirmed death in the whole augmentation procedure

[tame gazelle]

Uh. I used google.

[humble yacht]

Use halopedia

[tame gazelle]

I did

hold on let me find it

Washouts
Twelve Spartan-II candidates were discharged from the program after failing the augmentation procedures, most becoming severely crippled.

Sorry

Only twelve failed

words are hard ;_;

[tacit charm]

wrong, use halo alpha

[versed helm]

I think only Oscar died out of everyone

[tacit charm]

[versed helm]

Nah mate Halopedia is superior

[humble yacht]

Musa was crippled

[tacit charm]

it was a jk mate

[humble yacht]

Serin was almost crippled but she recovered

I think they had to reverse some of the procedures on her

[ebon coyote]

Admiral osmin…I would say don’t bite the hand that feeds you…yes being kidnapped conscripted and bioengineered (moral and ethical issues aside cuz I’m lazy AF rights now and don’t really want to do a whole philosophical debate lol) but it’s called the medical PRACTICE for a reason lol

[ebon coyote]

It is in the nature of medicine people will die…dogs will die Guinea pigs and rats will die…but to be bitter?? And turn against doctor Catherine Elizabeth Halsey?? Life is to precious and to fragile to hold such a grudge and to harbor such resentment

[tame gazelle]

I feel like a lot of what she took in was Parangosky's grudge against Halsey manifesting itself.

[humble yacht]

Parangosky 100% manipulated serin. She just used a carrot while Halsey used a stick

[ebon coyote]

Fair enough

I mean ONI is famous for manipulative behaviors lol

Even weak minds can attain strong bodies…I literally have no idea why I just quoted Rahn from mental omega but there it is lol

[barren ferry]

Welp im checking out the vs wiki again

This time checking out how bad they got certain weapons from halo

And uh

Why are Plasma Rifles weaker than Star Wars Blasters on here

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Plasma_Rifle_(Halo)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blaster_(Star_Wars)?so=search

I’m pretty damn sure they’re more or less equal to one another in terms of just raw power

So if blasters are small building level to building level+ for the heavier ones

Why aren’t Plasma Rifles

How tf are they only wall level

[gilded mason]

I'd say not to care too much about what versus wikis say about stuff.

[versed helm]

Because deep lore SW has such BS like Blasters vaporizing 25 pounds of steel in one shot

[gilded mason]

Yeah, for a universe as big as SW, you're gonna have wildly different depictions of things

[versed helm]

Though while I reckon that SW probably stomps the Covies and the UNSC in tech department, it's really not worth the effort to keep it up in terms of VS stuff because... well

Halo and SW change a lot.
Constantly

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

It's not like ME that isn't being explored tech wise for half a decade

[barren ferry]

I mean in space I guess so but on ground it is pretty even

[versed helm]

Meh

Not really no

[barren ferry]

But that’s not really the point

Plasma rifles are at least comparable

[gilded mason]

It's also silly to place much stock in versus stuff since the universe don't really come up with their stuff with "fighting other universes" in mind.

[barren ferry]

Also not exactly stupid considering that’s generally with the high or medium power settings iirc

Even TCW has it

[versed helm]

I don't really remember what the numbers were but like

[barren ferry]

But I think plasma rifles are more than capable of replicating what we see blasters do.

Given they can eviscerate SPARTANs

[gilded mason]

I imagine the authors for the two articles probably don't really have the same level of interest in seeing all feats capable, I imagine.

[barren ferry]

I mean they also lowball the energy sword to building level lmfao

[versed helm]

some deep lore SW blaster has the energy output of 3 gigajoules
vs
the plasma rifle having 6 kilojoules

so like 3 000 000 000
vs
6 400 LMAO

[barren ferry]

I mean I imagine that’s not the maximum power output of the plasma rifle

[versed helm]

The better lore blasters aren't really plasma either so it's not like you can compare those weapons too

[barren ferry]

They are though?

All blasters in the SW universe are plasma

[versed helm]

No

EU blasters fire particle beams

[barren ferry]

Even in the old canon.

Plus you don’t even have to go there

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMJ2amWG768

[versed helm]

Ah yes youtube

a Star Wars youtuber

I'd rather get five different cancers, thank you

[barren ferry]

It’s comparing the power of a .50 cal to a blaster pistol.

Nothing more lol.

[versed helm]

I can literally pull up this https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Blaster/Legends

[barren ferry]

Plus it’s just clips of each scene.

[versed helm]

And it says what a blaster fires

Though if a plasma rifle in lore fires as accuratly as it does in games and has the same range... yeah I take a blaster

Honestly it's easier to clobber people in Halo than to kill someone with that piece of garbage

[barren ferry]

Is that why particle beam blasters are also differed from standard blasters

On that same wiki

It’s not cited in that area either.

[versed helm]

It's from the good ol https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_New_Essential_Guide_to_Weapons_and_Technology

[barren ferry]

Regardless it’s not even exclusive to the EU in terms of a blasters power

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5hsx-Q4DNA this is what the LL-30 can do to rocks

[versed helm]

Thanks for reminding me how bad TCW butchered Vos

[barren ferry]

Oh yeah

It did

[versed helm]

God and now Filoni get's Tales of the Jedi

[barren ferry]

It butchered the EU as a whole lol

Only thing it’s good for is the blaster showings at this point

[versed helm]

You know as much as we like to poke 343 about doing bad stuff, at least they didn't went out of their way to make every single char OOC or dislikeable unless one content due liked them

[barren ferry]

However it somehow simultaneously makes people like force users

Look like idiots

And just the people in the show in general look like incompetent bafoons

Even ignoring all the EU butchering it did

Let’s be real, if those force user vs non force user battles were written half way logically

Cad Bane would’ve been killed so many times over

If that was the real Vos he especially would be dead @versed helm

[versed helm]

My biggest gripe with TCW is that people worship FIloni for it

[barren ferry]

When the dude is responsible for ruining

[versed helm]

When the stuff he's liked for is written by other people XD

[barren ferry]

So many things

Like Mandalore

Being the biggest offender

Or the night sisters

[versed helm]

Hating Mandalorians is fun

[barren ferry]

Why did he make Mandalorians pacifist

Why

[versed helm]

It's funny since his Wife brought back the OG witches into canon

[barren ferry]

Zamn

Well that’s what he deserves for ruining so much of the OG lore anyway

For no reason

Also what is this dudes obsession with turning lush forest worlds

Into desolate wastelands

[gilded mason]

||Grievous. 😔 ||
||Also Rukh.||

[barren ferry]

That would be the equivalent of making the forerunners from this series

A primitive race

All of a sudden

[barren ferry]

Oh grievous

grievous, grievous, grievous

[versed helm]

I think Grevious falls on Geroge though

since they just went with his ROTS version too much

[barren ferry]

There was at least a logical explanation for his ROTS self

With giga chad windu disabling him

[versed helm]

I'm aware

Anyway coming back to the subject

Le Covenant guns suck

A Smart AI could probably figure out how to make em better in one evening

[barren ferry]

I wouldn’t exactly say they suck

well minus speed cause Star Wars blasters really beat em out in that department

[versed helm]

Tell that to Cortana figuring how to make their guns better in like

what

10 minutes she was in the carriers system?

[gilded mason]

I mean, Cortana is one of the best Smart AI the UNSC ever made.

(And is a Smart AI, in general)

[barren ferry]

Plus the beam rifle is better than the solid majority of blasters I’d argue but, that’s hardly a standard weapon

I mean it does have that Mach 10.7 speed going for it

Pretty sure even the fastest blasters don’t go beyond Mach 7

Then again sniper blasters apparently have invisible bolts

And I have no idea how fast that has to be moving in order for the normally bright bolt to be untrackable to the human eye

[versed helm]

Beam Rifle is just cheating

[barren ferry]

Halo 2 sniper jackals

[fair hazel]

I really like clone wars and what it did

Also uh... plasma weaponry is absolutely powerful

[lavish garnet]

was it ever clarified what the thing Truth was looking at at the end of ODST legendary ending?

[last anchor]

The Exssesion at Voi, aka the portal to the ark

[last anchor]

In Legends. Not anymore. And even those requires rare and expensive gas to work.

[last anchor]

THAT is a terrifying possibility to contemplate

[loud kestrel]

star wars versus halo, which would win?

[versed helm]

I guess Star Wars, both the Old Republic and the Empire spanned a good chunk of the galaxy, and world destroyer weapons were not really weird

[loud kestrel]

i suppose, i think halos infantry would win tho

[jaunty cypress]

@versed helm I think halo would win in some ways,like brutes would tear Wookiees to shreds,the flood would absolutely destroy a lot of the universe though

[loud kestrel]

blasters versus weapons now is only the difference between plasma and kinetic really

[jaunty cypress]

@loud kestrel yeah I agree

[loud kestrel]

i think that arguement is like elites versus spartans in brute strength

[versed helm]

I almost forgot the Flood

You're right, it must level things a little

[loud kestrel]

hm, but jedi mind tricks versus the flood, potentially could make them somewhat immune

they could use the force to repel the flood from taking over

..i think

[jaunty cypress]

Yeah but if you also include Star Wars legends and the one virus they have

I forget what it is called though

[versed helm]

The Force didn't help them to repel blaster fire....

They could repel them a little, but they are gonna get tired and then, the Flood could consume them

I mean, even Elites with whole shields (which acts as a force field) succumbed to them

[loud kestrel]

yeah, i think it might be able to hold them back and be more resistant for a limited time

of course they can still die

[jaunty cypress]

I flood infected Jedi would be insane

[loud kestrel]

run for ur life

or try

nvm ur dead no matter what u do

[jaunty cypress]

Energy sword or lightsaber? Which is better

[gritty glacier]

Master chief is secretly Kermit the frog please discuss

[loud kestrel]

cause the force runs through those that are jedi, so if they are taken by flood do they still have those abilities? especially since the flood learns everything they know including things of the force

[loud kestrel]

show evidence

[gritty glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-opm-saitama-source-i-made-it-up-gif-24755713

[loud kestrel]

uh oh offensive biased has been typing for 2 min straight..

[jaunty cypress]

@gritty glacier that is kinda like a rickroll

[loud kestrel]

oh lmao

thats like nothing

was expecting a nuke of sorts

[gritty glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-rick-roll-rickastley-spongebob-gif-19367765

[loud kestrel]

u know i can see the name of it? im not clicking

[gritty glacier]

We got a genius over here

[loud kestrel]

thats a mighty fine title

ill take it

[gritty glacier]

[jaunty cypress]

What if among us chief is canon?

[barren ferry]

That’s literally a false equivalency lol

[barren ferry]

In all honesty the two are equal

When using both of their full might anyways.

There’s really no clear winner for both sides if I’m being completely honest.

And on the “force didn’t help them repel blaster fire”

It actually does

A lot

It’s how they do it in the first place lol

Order 66 isn’t exactly a typical battlefield scenario, that’s literally your own troops betraying you and the Jedi couldn’t sense this due to the dark side pretty much blocking their far sight, put most SPARTANs in it and they probably wouldn’t survive whatsoever.

Jedi actually have quite a few tricks that would be quite handy against flood forms if I’m being honest.

[loud kestrel]

i think spartans can take the blaster fire pretty well and completely smoke most clones/troopers

[barren ferry]

Matter of fact I think some of them are literally built for it

[loud kestrel]

at least newer spartans that have energy shields

[barren ferry]

Well yeah they do smoke them, they just can’t let themselves get hit

Which shouldn’t be too difficult with smaller squads but they will use divide and conquer tactics against larger groups.

However they can very well be eviscerated by Blasters if they aren’t careful.

[loud kestrel]

blasters are less accurate and typically meant for close range combat, the unsc kinetic weapons are accurate and have better range, overall the unsc could do hit and run tactics to deal with larger star wars forces

[barren ferry]

Not really, the 30 meters crap is just quite contradictory if I’m being honest, the E-11 still has a comparable range to something like a DC-15A (10 km) and are still pretty accurate in most typical combat situations

Plus most kinetic weapons aren’t exactly gonna be piercing most armor unless it’s to a weak spot or an armor piercing round.

Stormies still have an advantage over most UNSC soldiers. Not infallible though.

Plus I don’t think it’ll exactly help them if a SPARTAN II gets close.

Even if their armor survives the punch

They sure as hell won’t

I mean Wookiee’s can tear the limbs off stormtroopers so SPARTANs who are of comparable strength at least can do the same I imagine.

Generally why you’re gonna need superior numbers to bring said Spartan down

[loud kestrel]

star wars has the numbers advantage for sure, although if were counting in the other forces helping the unsc, they can fight back with combined strength of banished, covenant, unsc, maybe whats left of forerunner ai, i doubt the flood would be helpful for either side

[barren ferry]

We’re just counting what would be likely for the matchup

Just the GE vs UNSC and maybe some covenant remnants

Of course if halo gets all their toys then

We’re gonna have to do the same for SW

[loud kestrel]

lets pick who would side with who then in an all out war, agreeing that sith are dead

[barren ferry]

And in terms of force powers against the flood

I think this one in particular

Is perfect for countering them

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force_repulse

Actually wait

Here’s the legends version

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Telekinesis/Legends#Force_Wave

I mean look what it does to all the B2s

If it has enough force to do that, imagine what’ll happen to infection forms

[loud kestrel]

group 1: unsc, elites, maybe hunters

group 2: banished, forerunner ai

group 3: covenant...

group 4: the order

group 5: republic

group 6: prometheans

group 7: flood

[barren ferry]

Against the flood, SPARTANs and Jedi would have their advantages and drawbacks

While SPARTANs are more durable than most Jedi, they are also less reactive, slower, and don’t exactly have precognitive capabilities nor ways to purge it out of their bloodstream.

[loud kestrel]

do u agree that these would be reasonable factions?

[barren ferry]

Probably.

Although

Remove the cancer resistance

Please

[loud kestrel]

the what?

[barren ferry]

The group from the ST

They suck

[loud kestrel]

lmao

whats the newest form of jedi?

it was republic before

[barren ferry]

Jedi don’t really have forms, much less ranks but I’m pretty sure it’s always republic for them

In the EU it was

[loud kestrel]

ok so republic age, and the order then

and covenants all alone lmao

nobody wants them anymore

oh damn i forgot prometheans

those exist too

[barren ferry]

And while Jedi do have way more useful abilities than SPARTANs at their disposal (Precognition, Force Powers that can be used in very useful ways against the flood in ground or ship combat, speed that eclipses a SPARTANs via force speed, and can jump way higher than a SPARTAN of flood form could ever hope to)

The main issue with Jedi is that they are glass cannons

Especially when compared to SPARTANs

[loud kestrel]

definitely

they are completely armorless

[barren ferry]

If a flood form hits them, they could potentially remove it from their bloodstream via curato salva

All force users know it

But the flood won’t exactly give them said chance

[loud kestrel]

if a bullet hits them..

[barren ferry]

I mean they can shrug it off more easily

Than a blaster bolt or plasma rifle bolt

[loud kestrel]

not after a few tries

flood wont know how to beat them for a while is what i think

[barren ferry]

That is a good advantage.

[loud kestrel]

i think the flood will try and fail for a bit until it learns them

[barren ferry]

Plus lightsabers are kinda

The bane of their existence

[loud kestrel]

and lightsabers will defeat flood no problem like an energy sword would

[barren ferry]

And given unlike elites, Jedi actually do have ways of countering stuff like ranged forms

Or just the flood in close combat a lot better

[loud kestrel]

i forget what are ranged forms again?

[barren ferry]

Those pieces of crap that hang on walls in halo 3

I hate em

[loud kestrel]

oh yeah that too jedi are fast af with those sabers, they'll take out an army of flood forms

[barren ferry]

Although Jedi can just wear clone armor for this occasion

That at least removes the risk of spores

[loud kestrel]

i suppose they can but would they?

unlikely

[barren ferry]

You do know

Flood spores are a thing

Right

If they go into flood hives they will definitely have to

[loud kestrel]

i know they are but how big are they?

[barren ferry]

Size of a human finger nail

[loud kestrel]

i dont know much of them

[barren ferry]

And while they may not have to wear helmets in most situations against the flood

[loud kestrel]

yeah flood spores are an issue, but u also gotta think did they ever wear clone armor before?

[barren ferry]

Yes

[loud kestrel]

they needed it just as much during the series

[barren ferry]

Jedi wear armor plenty of times in war scenarios

Especially in something like SWTOR

Hell Sith had their faces covered completely

And looked cooler because of it

[loud kestrel]

sith, not jedi

[barren ferry]

I know, just saying

Jedi had just as much armor around the body too

[loud kestrel]

usually jedi dress in robes/cloaks

[barren ferry]

Just look at the SWTOR cinematic trailers

Like deceived

[loud kestrel]

whats that abbreviation for

[barren ferry]

Star Wars the old republic

The biggest clickbait

Of all time

[loud kestrel]

repeating so we can use it now

group 1: unsc, elites, maybe hunters

group 2: banished, forerunner ai

group 3: covenant...

group 4: the order

group 5: republic

group 6: prometheans

group 7: flood

[barren ferry]

Anyway this is the trailer https://youtu.be/YdgmH9Vv2-I

[loud kestrel]

group 1 would crush groups 2, 3 do fairly well against group 4, 5, 6, and is weak to group 7

[barren ferry]

You can see all of em have armor on

[loud kestrel]

unsc is mid in the star wars versus halo scenario

[barren ferry]

Given this is a war scenario

And against something like the flood

I think this is very warranted

Even with the somewhat enhanced durability Jedi have

[barren ferry]

Undeniable truth

Although SPARTANs are a game changer

[loud kestrel]

always have been

the entire reason unsc lives

[barren ferry]

However even they can’t tank a lightsaber or energy sword

[loud kestrel]

dr halsey made a miracle

[barren ferry]

Both of which cut through things with much higher durability than a SPARTAN II with ease

Like AT-ATs which apparently have Multi city block level durability

Which wouldn’t be too far off given what we see that thing tank without issue

Although armor lock can likely tank it

[loud kestrel]

they cant but when do they ever get that close to an opponent they know uses melee weapons

[barren ferry]

Almost never

[loud kestrel]

exactly

[barren ferry]

Sniping is much more preferable

Especially against mfs like Jedi

[loud kestrel]

they are ranged opponents, and jedi cannot reflect bullets back at them with a lightsaber

[barren ferry]

As HK-47 said it best

[loud kestrel]

they would incinerate the bullets

[barren ferry]

True, but they can be blocked just as easily

Plus the UNSC weapons have a far lower capacity than Blasters do

[loud kestrel]

they can only defend at a range, not attack

[barren ferry]

Like

Blasters have 300 shots on the high power setting

Bare minimum

500 on low power settings

The heaviest capacity hand held rifles for the UNSC don’t even have 100

While the Jedi can’t send said bullets back at you, you also trade some other crucial advantages that blasters have

[loud kestrel]

thats no issue really

they just wont miss as spartans

[barren ferry]

Accuracy doesn’t factor into it if they just block it

[loud kestrel]

jedi in the clone wars get shot at and cannot block all shots

something will get through if spartans keep up the consistency

[jaunty cypress]

I wonder if energy swords can actually deflect stuff

[loud kestrel]

no?

i mean not kinetic weapons

[barren ferry]

That’s from many other enemies besides one target

Plus TCW is quite illogical

[loud kestrel]

and spartans/elites all halo universe beings do not have the dexterity to wield an energy sword like that

[barren ferry]

In how they portray a Jedis power

Matter of fact

[jaunty cypress]

True

[barren ferry]

In TCW

Jedi are dumber than bricks

Putting it lightly

That show doesn’t fit into the old canon as it is even when ignoring that

But that’s also another thing that makes it so

Back on blasters vs bullets. I’m aware of a SPARTAN IIs rather aimbotty nature

[jaunty cypress]

I mean the energy sword is a holy weapon,used only by the most worthy and honorable elites

So it would take a crap ton of dexterity to deflect stuff

[loud kestrel]

a jedi if facing 2 spartans at a range will surely lose

[barren ferry]

With bullets, you are trading the advantage of accuracy, power and capacity

in terms of ammo, with a blaster you could shoot at a jedi 500 times before needing to reload, with more accuracy and with both those factors combined, more room for mistakes, a kinetic projectile weapon only has about 60 in most situations

And they would have to reload more often

Even with their aimbotting feats

SPARTANs often use more precision based and slower firing weapons

Like the pistols or sniper rifles

[jaunty cypress]

@loud kestrel Yeah in Star Wars there is bullets they are called slugs and in one comic obi wan tried to block them but it just destroyed most of it leaving only hot shrapnel going into his body

[barren ferry]

That’s actually a bit incorrect

If you look at the panel more closely

You’ll notice the two bullets that hit the saber dead on

Are completely vaporized

[jaunty cypress]

Oh ok thanks

[barren ferry]

It’s only the ones that he somewhat screws up on parrying that produces that negligible effect

And even then he isn’t affected much by it

[barren ferry]

This does depend on the Jedi and circumstances in question

It’s also gonna be especially difficult if this is a literal soresu master

[jaunty cypress]

Yeah

[barren ferry]

Who can walk through “hornet swarms” of blaster fire unscathed

Oh and uh before anyone brings up Mandalorians

Most actually can’t hold a candle to jedi 1v1

See the battle of Galidraan for more information

A strike force of about 22 Jedi

Beats over 300 Mandalorians

Sans Jango Fett himself

Who was captured

[loud kestrel]

mandalorians would defeat most halo universe tho with their sheer indestructible armor

[barren ferry]

True

Against SPARTANs it’s a tossup though

I mean most Mandos don’t have Beskar

Rather durasteel or duraplast

Which is still very durable in its own right

More so than standard armors which are already basically bulletproof as it is

I’d also look at this respect thread

For more info on the capabilities of your average Joedi https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t1567-jedi-knightlegends-respect-thread

And yes I said Joedi

Oh and little fun fact @jaunty cypress @loud kestrel

All Jedi know tutaminus

“Tutaminus, or energy absorption is the ability to channel or diffuse potentially harmful radiation by using the benevolent energy of The Force. It can be as simple as shielding the skin from excessive sunlight or as advanced as deflecting a blaster bolt with an outstretched palm.”

• Taken from Jedi Path

Of course not in the way you probably first thought when I said that

[jaunty cypress]

Thanks I did not know

[barren ferry]

I actually think that can prevent stuff like flood spores working on skin contact

[jaunty cypress]

Maybe but it is also if you inhale it

[barren ferry]

Well yeah they’ll still need helmets for that I imagine

Although this is a thing

Curato Salva is a family of abilities that emphasizes the healing of self. As a Jedi Knight you will be expected to master this facet of Control to heal your own injuries, to flush out mind-altering drugs from your bloodstream, to locate and burn out clusters of disease, to nullify the effects of poison and to reduce your perception of pain when true healing is not possible in the moment. The Jedi hibernation trance is the most extreme position and can be used as a last resort to sustain vital signs.

"Especially useful in a battle!"

• Taken from Jedi Path

[jaunty cypress]

Yeah that could work

[barren ferry]

Although wearing armor besides said helmet or breather is still recommended

For obvious reasons

I mean even when not dealing with flood forms

[jaunty cypress]

Do you know what the zombies in Star Wars legends were called? I forget

[last anchor]

Till someone figured out it was superconductive and started arming troops with lighting weaponry like the Brutes use.

[jaunty cypress]

@last anchor true

[loud kestrel]

@jaunty cypress "I'm new here, say hi!"

"hi"

[jaunty cypress]

Hi

[loud kestrel]

its so satisfying to get one of those

stick it to the man

[rigid plover]

hello people

[loud kestrel]

[rigid plover]

wah

[jaunty cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flood-spaceship-gif-11735243

[loud kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flood-spaceship-gif-11735243

[jaunty cypress]

This is definitely canon

[loud kestrel]

yes i splattered a starcat

[rigid plover]

wah

[jaunty cypress]

[rigid plover]

i think thats bannable

should i?

@remote field

[jaunty cypress]

Bannabler what do you mean bannablar

[rigid plover]

you can get baned for it

[jaunty cypress]

Oh shoot

My bad

[rigid plover]

for terroerst refs

[jaunty cypress]

Oh shoot

I deleted message

[modern kindle]

Spartan IVs are power rangers at their absolute peak.

[jaunty cypress]

Yeah

Ignore previous convos

[loud kestrel]

starcat i shall unsplatter u in slow motion

[jaunty cypress]

Huh?

It just means god is great

[loud kestrel]

^

chimera, sorry for ping but during this message were u a mod yet?

i dont remember u being a mod till like within the last couple months late december

[jaunty cypress]

Cop or drop

If it is in stock

[keen magnet]

for retail? 100%

[jaunty cypress]

Dude this thing was so hard to get a hold of but after trying and trying I finally got one for retail

I booted it up and I got chills

[tacit charm]

SW

one hand you have the son

on the other you have a krapton of other gods in legends

[fair hazel]

The non canon stuff..

[tacit charm]

he didnt state what continuity so that's on him plus there's still the son in canon

[last anchor]

I waited in line in the rain for four hours on November 15th for mine.
TOTALLY WORTH IT

[versed helm]

The flood really isn't an issue when you have a ghost capable of wrecking planets

In the end, whatever era you don;t choose, Halo cannot prevail against the SW verse for the sole reason of SW having an nigh OP ghost Sith laying around that nobody in Halo would be capable of killing lol

[jovial furnace]

I wonder if the gravity shotgun concept art will make it into canon

Or if we'll at least get a better look at it'd art st the moment it'd in the backround

[versed helm]

As for any other main goverment vs any main goverment in Halo.
I reckon the Precursors are the only one's that can really win.

Even the WAR, having much less troopers than the UNSC or the Covenant, would prevail against them if it holded it's ground against an enemy ranging in the billions lol
Not to mention Palpatine would probably go full conscript mode in case someone non-CIS attacked the Republic.

[jovial furnace]

Does that include the flood

Because mainline precurseres weren't really like strong militarily

Got yeeted by the forunners

[versed helm]

Even best ground forces you have...
Well UNSC - Spartans
Covenant - Zealots/Prelates

Those are probably on par with RCs who have better gear, then you have Alphas - trained by a dude who killed five Jedi knights with his fists and a rock and Alpha Nulls. Which I think are pretty much above a Spartan to some degree, albeit with less augmentations.

And even if you kill all those, you run into their Jedi commander that can literally see your moves before you do.

[versed helm]

They didn't fight back because they just gave up or something lol

[jovial furnace]

Xytan could probaly take on a jedi but he's also like one of 2 modified sangheli

[versed helm]

As for the Flood.
It kinda depends.
SW has it's fair share of plagues that have been dealt with. Sufficient to say, I'd wager that a strong enough Sith or Jedi could simply telepathically kill the Gravemind - because such feats were achieved.

[versed helm]

Depends on the Jedi I guess

I mean, I don't really see any Halo character going as far as people like Luke, Bane or Vader.

[jovial furnace]

Trebor moment

[jovial furnace]

The didact

Bassically has force powers already

[versed helm]

The Didact isn't as fast to appear as if you were fighting 20 dudes at once though

Nor do I reckon him outrunning rain.

[jovial furnace]

But he's also just... invernarable

A lightsaber isn't getting through that arnor

He survived the lava thingy in 4 and a havoc nuke and the composer exploding

[versed helm]

Except he didn't?
The explosion of the Pulse grenade knocked him off into a slipscape rupture below
The nuke exploded after he was gone.

Chief was saved by Cortana

Alas I doubt that a Force User would need a lightsaber, they'd just snap his neck

Honestly a Force User, in this particular case, a Jedi that wouldn't follow the "No kill" rule is pretty much the most horryfing thing you can run into in SW

[tacit charm]

funny how you mention that, if you read up on the didact's abilities specifically his restraint field or something among those lines on halopedia it actually never confirms if that was indeed what the didact was using meaning, the didact could have been actually using the force lol

[versed helm]

The force is much more than telekinesis lol

[tacit charm]

didnt say it was

just saying the didact may have been using the force

[turbid cliff]

I was always under the assumption that the Didact used the "living building material" used to build by the Forerunners to move everything around. He had admin privileges.

[fair hazel]

What am I even reading…

And seriously people thinking the “force” exists in halo?

Too much wrong right now

[void jay]

[last anchor]

Midichlorians dont exist in Halo, lmao. The Halo effect killed any that did.
Sentient bacteria sound like something you dont want the Flood getting their hands on

[versed helm]

insert that's now how the Force works meme

[loud kestrel]

a big mobile cannon

[jovial furnace]

No that's a different gun next to it

The gravity shotgun looks kinda small

It's a shotgun but with the gravity hammer end at the end of the barrel

[gusty ridge]

Would the flood be able to inherent a jedi's force powers tho?🤔

And create flood jedi

I think halo infantry would win in every situation solely because most of Star Wars relies on essentially ww1 tactics meanwhile Halo is a little more intelligent

Then again Halo is also the universe where you see hundreds of army troopers charging enemy defenses with nothing but warthogs and dinky scorpion tanks where they could all be destroyed with one missile strike

[tacit charm]

idk when i said the force actually existed in halo it was literally a joke so idk what yall are actually reading

[spiral jewel]

If the Sidekick pistol is the MK50 (Mark 50),what's Mark's 1 through 49?

[unique rune]

I mean. Presumably just older iterations of the Sidekick platform.

[near tide]

Star Wars has more numbers, except maybe against covenant

Inferior troops and probably tactics, but a lot of numbers and a lot of tanks

Jedi are pretty equal to Spartans

Also Star Wars has super weapons

[clear arrow]

Ik more about halo than I do about Star Wars but I’m pretty sure that Star Wars would have the advantage in some areas

[near tide]

Definitely

Plasma is stronger than lasers tho

Also depends on the Star Wars era

[versed helm]

SW isn't using lasers for anything but point blank range defence though

You know how a supercannon hits a Covie vessel with like 50 Gigatons worth of energy?
A single turbolaser on an Accalamator cruiser has the energy output of 200 gigatons per shot.
It has like 48 of them lmao.

Most SW militaries, except maybe the CIS, don't have the numbers of either the UNSC or the Covenant, but they don't need to when they have a much higher destructive output than either of those factions. Not to mention superior tech.

[versed helm]

Mate some Jedi literally move soo fast it seems like there's twenty different people instead of one, with all my love for Spartan, ain't none of them countering twenty lightsaber slashes.
Not to mention having an arsenal of Force Powers a Spartan has no counter too.

[versed helm]

That's honestly mostly TCW and their inability to write a battlezone/war properly.
Mass Effect suffers the exact same fate, where the Alliance military makes literally no sense equipment wise.

[jovial furnace]

Well now hold on

Depends on which era

Like the two disposable armies Goin at it is one thing

But the rebellion and empire had real tactics

I can't say darn but eith a m
Bruh

[versed helm]

Yes that's why I literally just said?
The only real instances where a warzone in the Galactic Civil War era becomes a WW1 clusterfast is on occasations when there are simply too many ships to order at once in too tight space aka Endor and Mindor.

Though in Mindo the Mando's and Marines were literally fighting borderline suicidal Clone Troopers trained by the Mandalorians picked by Jango.

[jovial furnace]

I mean like when a real leader takes charge we get men like thrawn or revan

And that's when we get the real deal tactics

[versed helm]

Besides, frankly, most SW navies have totally a number more or less equal to the combined forces of either UNSC/Covenant, issue is that most SW vessels also carry starfighters that are more than capable of wrecking bigger ships of said two factions.

Just gonna send a squad of K-wings blasting their ordinance and you can tell a lot of vessels goodbay lol.
Not to mention, SW ships - most warfare focused SW vessels - have Ion based weaponry. So while a SW vessel can just shreed a Covie vessel shields and pawn them with 14 000 megatons of plasma per salvo, Covies and UNSC have to first take down the energy shielding, than the ray shielding than the particle shielding and then they still have a 1km long monster.

[versed helm]

Yeah the bot tags some weirdly specific things here lol

[jovial furnace]

The name of a shows producers name was blocked too lol
I think they fixed it.
Wiener

Yea it's fixed

[versed helm]

The surname of the Ace of Spade's trilogy was also getting tagged XD

[craggy sierra]

Probably the same as AKs 1-46

[dense cairn]

I think the AKs start at 12 then they go up but yea I think those old ones are prototypes or it just looks better than mk1

[empty tundra]

In Legends there's legit a Star Wars Superweapon called the Star Forge that used to use the dark side of the force to manufacture Droid Ties, Star Destroyers, Droid ships, etc

[clear arrow]

Well then

[empty tundra]

Too bad they didn't use it and instead went with Starkiller

"Somehow Palpatine returned."

[fair hazel]

Hahahahaha. No

14k megatons hahahaha what

[tacit charm]

i mean even in canon there is that qaz star destroyer in the rogue one novel and one interesting clone wars ep that showed aa guns on a cis ship ejecting a krapton of rocks/debris from a planet's surface to space

meanwhile you have covenant ships like a heavy cruiser being taken out by 30 megaton bomb/s

that's only one example there's alot more im not mentioning yet

[near tide]

Legends has ridiculous numbers for Star destroyers

[fair hazel]

Nonsensical stuff all over the place

Plus it’s not canon

There’s nothing really telling about a qaz star destroyer like. How am I supposed to react?

There’s a bunch of Star Wars shows going on and stuff we see then people go to the more ridiculous non canon stuff like what 😐😐😐😐

At least the halo show, without going into deep discussion about it, maintains a lot of canon accuracy in terms of weapons

[near tide]

Except for human stuff

Because a unsc ar fires modern day bullets but it shreds covenant shields while insurrectionists weapons suck against them

Turbo lasers would shred unsc ships and maybe covenant

Spartans can maybe beat Jedi, and we don’t really know how bullets interact with droids and clone/stormie armor

[tacit charm]

maybe people go back to legends cause canon disney gave us the sequel trilogy, resistance, boba fett and that star wars girls show stuff. also qaz's entire weapons battery (or something along those lines) had the equivalent output of one death star beam (idr if it's referring to one full power death star beam or one of the eight beams either or it's that's still pretty damn poweful)

[near tide]

Yeah sw also has tons of fighters

[tacit charm]

also on that note

tks to encyclopaedia

[near tide]

Spartans can shoot jedi, and are possibly faster than them

[tacit charm]

fortresses classes, cov ships and that one infamous cso over reach are now an actual joke

[near tide]

Lightsabers counter them well but so do energy swords

Covenant might have larger capital ships

But do we know about their point-defense capabilities

[tacit charm]

i also like the fact that even though the book does state planet breakers can yeet stars it still doesnt actually give info on how long it takes and the overall process involved

[tacit charm]

larger than a cso?

largest cov ship iirc was xyton's ship

[near tide]

Cso Is like 17 km

Star destroyers are about 2

[tacit charm]

28ish

xyton's supercarrier was 32

[near tide]

Face palm moment

[tacit charm]

it's a shame

the info came from the krap og encyclopaedia

so idk how actually reliable that info is

[near tide]

Xytan carrier numbers?

[tacit charm]

ye

[fair hazel]

Things are canon unless stuff super cèdes them generally

The encyclopedia does not make the things a joke?

Your personal tastes aren’t really that relevant for picking stuff canon wise. And uh. Not everything , every piece of media, will be centered around versus stuff

Boba fett was good.

Star Wars ships get destroyed by even pre covenant war unsc ships

Unsc has excellent weapons against Jedi. And covenant weapons are very strong.

[tacit charm]

last i checked no unsc (bar nova) and cov weaponry (bar maybe what's mounted on high charity) can crack a planet's core

[fair hazel]

Ok..?

[near tide]

Unsc has Spartans, but they still don’t have good enough navy or enough troops

They can maybe beat the rebels and resistance, but no one else

Their enemies could just drown them in star fighters

[tacit charm]

also encyclopaedia makes the fortress alot weaker than i thought it was with those new weapon specs, cov ships (ship not specified but i mean idk why it would even specify the crater size plus only a few ships have actual glassing beams) only being able to glass a 100 meter crater (combined with silent storm's "few square km" line kinda fits with glassing descriptions) and cso being invincible but never choosing to engage those pesky odps over reach despite the fact that if it did rho wouldn't have been seen as incompetent and it would have been a whole lot easier for his ships to search for forerunner McGuffins

there's also the whole "forerunners destroying entire worlds" is a bad thing on the planet breaker descriptions which is interesting

[fair hazel]

Uh fortress ships are fine?
Are you really trying to find bigatons that can one shot an entire planet everywhere or it’s bad otherwise?

No duh forerunners destroying worlds with stuff in it is generally not what they want to do

Oh no infinity, they definitely can. Unsc navy would outgun and out range. Very important. Out range. Star Wars navies. And Star Wars fighters are eh. Star Wars is basically Second World War dogfights and naval combat but in space

[versed helm]

XD
No, no they aren't

Fastest Spartan is like mid tier Jedi type of fast.

And yes I was talking about the EU because old lore.
Pretty sure current timeline goverments win anyway too.

[tacit charm]

not when you combine the info with cryptum or specifically the shenanigans at maethrillion, fortress barley yeeted an og halo ring with its main weapon and even then you can argue it's the ring system doing most of the job at the end. as for oh destroying planet bad ye idc if that's what they wanted to do or not it's the fact that they have that notion plus it's even more interesting with the "previously unthinkable in their destructive potential" line. also SW ships can go ftl in real space so hmm interesting

[jovial furnace]

Star trek wins everytime

[versed helm]

SW ships have the effective range of 10 light minutes.
Their fighters literalyl are better than UNSC and Covie fighters in arment and tech too.

And Halo starfighters don't even have any speed stats anywhere

[tacit charm]

it's a shame those numbers are in legends and in ics

[jovial furnace]

Halo starfighters do kinda suck tbh

No shields?

[tacit charm]

that depends on what they're armed with

[versed helm]

They do have shields

[near tide]

Jedi block projectiles going at baseball speed

[jovial furnace]

Other than like the seraph

How mass produced were broadswords

[near tide]

Spartans have blocked misiles launched by a plane

Halo ships don’t carry enough fighters

[tacit charm]

jedi have also reacted and blocked lasers

[versed helm]

A Force User can literally force push an explosive mate.
And no, blasters are faster than a baseball.

[tacit charm]

specifically the man in my pfp

[near tide]

A sw fleet fighting unsc could weaken them with fighters and annihilate them with turbo lasers

I’ve seen calculations on lasers

[tacit charm]

or

[near tide]

They’re not that fast

[tacit charm]

depending how you look at it

specifically SW ships going in real space

SW dont even have to fire any weapon and they could win

[near tide]

Spartans also fire projectiles that lightsabers don’t block well

[tacit charm]

[versed helm]

They do though

[near tide]

Also with sws superior ftl as an Invading force they could wipe the unsc easily

[versed helm]

In canon Lightsabers melt projectiles with ease

[jovial furnace]

How about
Star trek vs warhammer

[versed helm]

In EU they do the same

[tacit charm]

relativity is very funny when objects get closer to the speed of light

[near tide]

Warhammer pretty much beats anything

Although I don’t now much about trek

[tacit charm]

scp beats all

[jovial furnace]

Star trek would beat everything

[tacit charm]

it's a shame

scp's canon is all over the place

[jovial furnace]

The actual foundation or the scps

[tacit charm]

scp as a whole

[near tide]

Guardsmen alone number in the trillions

There are tens of thousands of space marines

Adeptus custodes exist

Orks and tyranids are orks and tyranids

[tacit charm]

lamprey's in Dr Who be like eating universes just because

[near tide]

What sci-fi settings even stand a chance against 40k

[tacit charm]

alot

downstreamers can just yeet them easily

same for xeelee and whatever darkseid is doing these days

[versed helm]

Cookies most likely.

[tacit charm]

ik dc comics isnt sci fi stuff idk just wanted to get that out there for some reason

[versed helm]

I looked up a bit.

[jovial furnace]

Star trek

[fair hazel]

😐😐 you wouldn’t last intact very easily in specific debate places like space battles

[jovial furnace]

What the heck is a space marine going to do against a phaser

Get disintegrated like a bum

[versed helm]

A Spartan at top speed was faster than Luke in shadows of Mindor. So like Luke... over 30 years before his prime.
Except the Spartan broke his achiless thing and Luke wasn't even tired.

[fair hazel]

Star fighters in halo are radically different than Star Wars type ones. Different roles and stuff and different philosophy and doctorine

[tacit charm]

i only go on that site to look for rama's calcs stuff for halo or just laugh my as off

[jovial furnace]

Also star trek actually uses real advanced tactics

[jovial furnace]

Until recently litteraly half of them are bombers and no interceptors

[fair hazel]

But not where people will actually break apart what you put

I’m so glad we saw the baseboard and nandao

[versed helm]

Not really though?
Because SW doctrine does have interceptors, bomberms, assault bombers, superiority fighters, just regular fighters.

[tacit charm]

just get good sources and let everyone fight your battles for you

[near tide]

Unsc snipers are ridiculously fast

[versed helm]

And they just carry better ordinance than Halo one's.
Or there's a gazllion more of them

[tacit charm]

they have very krap range i will not deny that

well their weaponry do

idk about the ships themselves

[near tide]

Sw wins because of navy

[tacit charm]

SW wins because of the son

[near tide]

Spartans would be good on the ground

[tacit charm]

[near tide]

So depending on the faction they fight

[versed helm]

The main issue with SW isn't "krap range" it's simply the fact that a lot of fights are against technologically equal enemies so you just have to get a good hit.

[tacit charm]

the father has some very interesting lines

[versed helm]

Spartans are just ARCs without BS wannabe precognition

[tacit charm]

regarding the son

[versed helm]

It's 12 000 megatons per one turbolaser salvo, assuming all the heavy turbolasers hit their targets.
That's like 240 Super MAC rounds lol

[versed helm]

Superior cross section lore for the win

God bless the KDY military complex

Besides, that's hardly OP given the technological achievements of SW galaxy.
Those guys literally have about 20 other layers of WMD BS

[versed helm]

I do not doubt that UNSC snipers are actually faster (since SW snipers are kinda bad.amazing depending on the model) but Jedi would probably still don't have an issue deflecting/dodging them.
Not only are they fast as hell but they also have a danger sense telling them what to do.

As for pure speed. THis is from Last of the Jedi. The man witnessing his own death was a Jedi alive during the clone wars that fought on the frontlines and was sparing with some of the better Jedi of the era. And still, he can't even react to Vader's speed.
It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he’d seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.
The lightsaber hadn’t been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.

[vale mountain]

How did arbiter get his halo 5 armor?

[gilded mason]

This is all we know:

More recently he dons a ceremonial battledress as both a tribute to the previous Arbiters and as a symbol of transition towards his vision of a united Sanghelios.

[near tide]

A full squad with automatic weapons in a somewhat enclosed space could probably kill a Jedi

[versed helm]

Or they would leave quite headless

I'd throw in a gif for refrence but I cannot do that lol

[royal whale]

How can spartans walk

Like seriously

[terse lava]

....?

[royal whale]

You have a 500kilo piece of armor only supported by two feet

That thing's gonna sink into the dirt

[terse lava]

Ah, well their body is augmented and strengthened, alongside the suit itself being able to move just by the spartan thinking about it

[royal whale]

I'm talking more about the ground pressure

[unique rune]

You just kinda have to not think about that part too much.

[royal whale]

Warfare in halo kinda kills me ngl

[terse lava]

Space or ground

[royal whale]

Kinda both

Although space is more forgiving since we still don't have an idea of how it should look like

Like remember that scene in reach where they just sent everything against the covenant

Also, I feel like the air force is nearly nonexistent in the halo universe

[terse lava]

Would chalk that up just for the action scene

[royal whale]

Ye it looked kinda cool tho

If it weren't for the music it would look like a massacre instead lmao

They really should introduce spartan oriented weapons more

[terse lava]

It was for those two poor buggers on the mongoose

[royal whale]

It's kinda dumb to give a billion dollar investment something that can be carried by the avg person

[terse lava]

Well remember the UNSC, and thr UEG govt, were on the back foot for an entire 27 years of war. R&D for fancy new weapons would be limited, when an assault rifle works just fine

[royal whale]

Man you don't need fancy r&d just to give master chief a 50.cal machine gun

[versed helm]

The charge makes sense once you realize bigger air support cannot partake until AAs are out so they send in fast movers to take it out and engage the enemy

[royal whale]

Guns at that point are like idk a thousand year old technology

[royal whale]

It's kinda odd how they managed to get in there without air support in the first place

Basically its a death sentence

I think the issue mostly was with the shields tho and not the aa

Since killing anti air is pretty easy when you know its location

In real life aircraft would just hug the terrain as cover

[versed helm]

Yeah I doubt a 300m firgate can just hug a mountain

[royal whale]

Aircraft not a spaceship

[versed helm]

That being said I agree the battle makes little sense

[royal whale]

It'd be really interesting if they made infinite more realistic

Since its kinda weird how super advanced alien bois managed to beat the infinity, yet somehow there's still remnants of UNSC forces out in the open

[versed helm]

The UEG had a task force stationed there as early as 2555

Forerunner trilogy>>>

[royal whale]

One of the things I like most from Halo is the Pelican

Like man if that exists today, it's literally a game changer

A vtol aircraft capable of transporting just about anything

[barren ferry]

A squad of what? Marines? Not normally they won’t

[barren ferry]

I don’t really see how this factors into anything

[near tide]

Bullet speed

[barren ferry]

A projectile can be going at light speed for all the Jedi cares

[near tide]

Can't block the bullet if you can't react to it

[barren ferry]

Precognition negates it

[barren ferry]

Here’s the thing.

Jedi don’t react to blaster bolts.

[near tide]

With enough shooters jedi die

[barren ferry]

They use precognition to block it and intercept it before it’s fired.

[barren ferry]

Depends on both the Jedi and circumstances.

And even then?

[near tide]

Assault on the jedi temple

[barren ferry]

You’re gonna take enormous casualties.

[near tide]

Clones scored many kills

[barren ferry]

Yeah cause that was easy for the clones

Oh wait no it wasn’t