lore-and-universe

[loud kestrel]

everybody would want to work for him (assuming their ok putting their lives at risk 24/7 because cutters so valiant)

[agile zodiac]

He was supposed to come back in a dlc for Halo Wars 1. Guilty spark says he's dead to his daughter, which is why I said they'd throw him under the bus to bring him back.

They'd have to do some finessing

But it's possible

If they wanted to they could bring back a lot of dead characters.

Even Johnson if they wanted to.

My whole thing is that after Chief left Johnny behind on the ring, an Infection Form latched onto him, and that injection essentially gave him a boost that brough him back before he ripped the thing off (Given his whole messed up nervous system and bootleg immunity due to past exposure)

After that they'd have to once again, do some finessing to have him escape the ring.

[tacit charm]

gross fanfiction

[agile zodiac]

Yeah but you're just a hater with no standing

Besides, it's possible.

[versed helm]

Yeah but Spark only knows what he got from a boy left by the SoF and LBs transmissions

[tacit charm]

how am i hater im just pointing the obvious out

i never said johnson wasnt cool period

it's just he wasnt cool in h2 and h3

[versed helm]

SHe's Forge's daughter.
Cutter has a daughter but she doesn't appear anywhere.
He does have a son that is an Innie.

[agile zodiac]

So then it's entirely feasible.

[versed helm]

Guess you can't have only genuises in the family.

[tacit charm]

feasible

but unlikely

[agile zodiac]

I haven't read most of the books sadly

I liked The Flood and the tie in with "Fireteam Raven" though.

Really gave a grander prespective of the battle over Alpha Halo

[tacit charm]

it's not like

there was a book that was basically a novelisation of ce and went into characters other than chief in it

[dense falcon]

Didn't Nico get off planet with that blackmailer girl?

[versed helm]

Oh right I forgot Nico made it off.

Though that was a different planet if I remember correctly?

[versed helm]

They Spartan 2s as well I forgot how powerful didact is

[terse pecan]

Is guilty spark alive after h3?

because I think getting vaporized seems pretty final I don't see how he could still be alived

[dense falcon]

He was recovered by a ship sent to check on a signal from the Ark (being emmited from him). Later on, he took over an Armiger body and traveled across the galaxy, and is now the monitor of a new installation.

[terse pecan]

But he was destroyed so was it like his data essence?

[humble yacht]

No

An ONI research team found his damaged monitor shell and brought it back to their ship. There, the barely alive monitor transferred himself into their ship systems and took it over, absconding with it to go search for the Librarian which he falsely believed was still alive. The damage Guilty Spark sustained from Chief actually cause his previously repressed memories to surface

[terse pecan]

o ok

[versed helm]

Well then I will kill him again once I get the opportunity

[gilded mason]

You'd be killing a different person.

[versed helm]

Did that person kill sgt Johnson

[gilded mason]

He did not.

The Guilty Spark that killed Johnson is gone.

[versed helm]

Good riddance

[sage fiber]

Yeah…

[last anchor]

You can try, but hes kinda backed up by an entire Forerunner shield world
Prepare to die.
Many times. Agonizingly.
And presumably being psudo-composed.

[loud kestrel]

whats psudo composed mean?

@last anchor

[humble yacht]

Typo

He meant “pseudo”

[sonic lagoon]

Who would win, sentinels or the starship trooper bugs? The melee ones that look similar to and inspired the sentinels.

[last anchor]

Sentinels can fly and are armed with hardlight beams specifically designed to boil and obliterate soft tissue.
Bugs are fleshy on the inside. They'd explode like a popcorn bag

[runic wharf]

Yo, how the hell does the needler work

Like, how does it reload

And how does it gain more ammo

[terse lava]

https://www.halopedia.org/Needler

@runic wharf that should help you

[runic wharf]

I ment like in lore when they shake the gun, how does more needles just magically spawn there

How do the insert the needles in the guns

[versed helm]

neeed help!!! does anyone know whats the name of the comic for preston cole? guy is super interesting!

[fair hazel]

You mean the short story from the novel? The Impossible Life and the Possible Death of Preston J. Cole

[gilded mason]

There was also Halo Wars: Genesis, that featured Cole.

[fair hazel]

That too. But it’s not quite specifically only for him

[vestal mountain]

aren't promethian knights AI's?

then do they suffer from rampancy

[thin yew]

They essentially are, and rampancy can affect even Forerunner AI's, but usually in their case it's due to neglect and too much time self-reflecting.

Also a point to be made that the Promethean constructs aren't necessarily using the full capability of the digital copies and so aren't necessarily "learning" much anyway, so they'd essentially be akin to dumb AI's.

[silent bough]

Nobody know, it'll be a mystery until the end of times.

[humble yacht]

Forerunner AI (and composed beings) don’t suffer from rampancy like human Smart AI do. For human Smart AI, rampancy is a terminal condition that occurs due to the limitations of their construction. Forerunner AI don’t have a finite lifespan as far as we know. They can be corrupted and exhibit personality changes commonly seen in rampancy, but they don’t necessarily die from it

[ivory flume]

YO, so I’m trying to think of why a jackal pirate captain would have a grunt as his best friend and or of similar rank. I thought maybe the grunt had a genetic mutation that made him larger or he was just a mad genius

[severe cosmos]

So, they can’t die from rampancy, but can they be killed by other things? (This is probably a dumb question)

[vestal mountain]

They can also be highjacked right? I remember there was one halo 4 level where cortana highjacked a few forerunner cannons and knights

[humble yacht]

They can be destroyed, yes. But you could say that forerunner AI can’t die from old age. Human Smart ai can die from old age

[humble yacht]

No, Cortana never hacked a Knight in halo 4

Auto cannons don’t have AI

At least, not volitional AI

[dense schooner]

How do Spartans use the bathroom

[humble yacht]

The suit has catheters

[dense schooner]

For both

[dense falcon]

Yes

[terse pecan]

is mamshber chefde actually peter griefn

[valid hemlock]

Nah

^ this is the chief himself

[dense schooner]

How do Spartans take in nutrition when on duty in full suit

[humble yacht]

They take off their helmets and eat. They are able to last a long time on only a few calories

[dense schooner]

Oh ok

[valid hemlock]

Spartans on keto diet?

[humble yacht]

They probably have a calorie bar or two on hand

[short plank]

Jorge was on that Hungry-Man diet

[terse pecan]

His blood type is Protein SHake

[dry pivot]

What would happen if the unsc made a variation of Mjolnir with nanotech that can reshape itself similar to the Mark 85 in avengers?

[gilded mason]

Then they would have a variation of Mjolnir with nanotech that can reshape itself similar to the Mark 85 in avengers.

[terse pecan]

📠

[short plank]

Closest thing I can think of is Gen 1 Mk VII being able to upgrade/repair itself

[dry pivot]

I guess they would

[severe cosmos]

Thats, not too far off actually.

a suit like that would also be able to change shape though, So a MA40 arm cannon would be possible.

[turbid lintel]

I have a free audiobook to redeem and trying to decide which Halo book to use it on.

There are apparently 4 books that are more 'unique' in their audio versions.

Primordium - all about Chakas ||aka 343 guilty spark, and narrated by that voice actor||
Evolutions - Narrated by Steve Downes, Jen Taylor, Frank O'Connor and Holler Graham
Contact Harvest - Narrated by Jen Taylor and Holler Graham
and Point of Light - a Rion Forge character book ||But also includes some 'Chakas/343' and the book is narrated by that voice actor as well||

I own the first 3, and I've read Primordium and Harvest.

I seems to me like Primordium and Evolutions might be the most 'unique' audio experience though - any recommendations?

[valid hemlock]

Is halo evolutions the one that's a compilation of short stories?

[turbid lintel]

yes

[valid hemlock]

Hmm

Halo evolutions as audio book seems pretty neat

Can't talk much about the rest but the mack and sif dialogues in Contact Harvest are narrated by jen taylor

So that's kinda cool

[turbid lintel]

👍

[tacit charm]

if it has the same inconsistent levels of durability shown in the movie and mark 50 then it's gg for the cov

[near willow]

I personally would recommend evolutions.

[turbid lintel]

cool

[turbid lintel]

have you listened to it?

[near willow]

No, but I read it.

[wind crest]

so i was playing halo 2 and when the elites turn on the convent and the brutes and elites are fighting each other i noticed that the hunters are fighting with the elites. why are the hunters with the elites?

[gilded mason]

Because not everything is divided on species lines.

There'll be those who hold loyalties in either direction.

[wind crest]

yeah i just wondered why the hunters were loyal to the elites

[gilded mason]

A lot of Hunters hold great respect for Elites

[last anchor]

Eating like a normal human or The Flood metions it has internal nutrient pellet stores

[last anchor]

The Sangheili were probably the only species to truly appriciate Lekgolo war-poetry

Im not even sure the Jiralahanne HAVE art, the Kig-Yar tend to get distracted easily, Unggoy dont like being near Lekgolo at all...

[versed helm]

thx

[versed helm]

@fair hazel hello sir/maam theres a guy named @steel spear who told me “hello sir uhh can you please tell one of the mods like chimera or pins to please unmute me because my 24 hours was up 2 days ago” thats all..

[gaunt oak]

For server moderation concerns, please message @wet locust.

[tacit charm]

oh ye

that happens

very annoying

man has to rejoin server i guess

[terse pecan]

how did Johnson get off of Alpha Halo i thought everyone died

[tacit charm]

he's chad that's why

it's a shame

[last anchor]

First Strike. Read it.

[tacit charm]

he becomes a beta smuck male after first strike

[valid hemlock]

He just

[wintry vault]

Wort wort wort

[terse pecan]

My question has been answered while still not being answered I love the internet

[tacit charm]

or

you can just go on halopedia

[humble yacht]

Here’s a novel idea: read First Strike

[versed helm]

LOL

[half apex]

halopedia or nothing

[humble yacht]

It was a pun

“Novel” can mean either a work of fiction or it can mean new

[loud kestrel]

as far as i know they are ancient humans?

turned by the didact into promethians, somebody correct me if im wrong but thats what i know

[unique rune]

They’re digitized organic minds, some being Forerunners but mostly ancient humans.
Remarkably similar to human smart AIs in a number of ways.

[loud kestrel]

as do i, theres a lot to respect in elites, their an awesome species

[fair hazel]

Modern humans too

[severe cosmos]

Why can prometheans teleport though?

[unique rune]

limited small-scale slipspace transportation for quick and safe repositioning

same reason Guilty Spark can transport himself and the Chief in CE

[loud kestrel]

forerunners truly are advanced

[fair hazel]

Guilty spark used the ring's translocation system

[loud kestrel]

i have no clue what that is

even more reasoning forerunners were advanced

lmao

[tacit charm]

proceeds to go through h3 terminal, halo encyclopaedia and cryptum
no not really no

[fair hazel]

..?

[tacit charm]

i mean to us sure they're advance sure
compared to other fiction (idk why there's some people who think they're the most powerful race in all of fiction period) ye nah these dudes just really lacking feats, rip being only able to tilt maybe tilt a galaxy and blowing up stars over an unknown time period and overall process

encyclopaedia also makes their warships (the fortresses) a lot weaker than before

[versed helm]

I just found out that 343 made Ro Sham Bo a part of the Halo Lore, specifically in the podcast Halo Infinite: Memory Agent. 😂

[loud kestrel]

its only like that since their still tied to the "real world capabilities" like none of the things the forerunners do seem so impossible do they?

[unique rune]

compared to other fiction
I mean, okay? Why do the Forerunners need to be compared to other fictional groups?

They're still advanced in the context of the Halo universe, regardless of how they scale to whatever other fictional alien races.

[loud kestrel]

that is very true, thank u for this amazing answer lmao

[last anchor]

I still need to listen to Memory Agent

[fair hazel]

You seriously haven't?

[near tide]

Because of the haha funny halo rings

They get stomped by a lot of 40k regardless

40k is ridiculous tbf

[dawn lance]

Hey I have a question I am very confused about Slipspace. So this is the example I am confused about that I can’t find the answer anywhere. So the Lesser Ark which is located outside the Milky Way galaxy can be reached in a matter of months by Slipspace. However the planet Harvest takes about a year even though it is close to earth. Halo: Warfleet is not answering my question and I just don’t get it. I have even read to wiki about it and it doesn’t make sense. Can someone please explain why it takes longer to get to harvest than the lesser ark even though harvest is closer.

[unique rune]

Slipspace navigation is a weird and difficult thing that can vary a lot

[near tide]

It shouldn’t be reachable in months

It is 250,000 light years away

[unique rune]

The Forerunners had a much greater understanding of slipspace and its mechanics, which let them create portals with faster, more direct routes.

Human slipspace drives and navigation are much more primitive, resulting in inconsistent travel times, distances, and even exit locations.

[near tide]

Forerunner slipspace it’s like a month

[unique rune]

A Forerunner-charted slipspace route between Earth and Harvest would most likely be a lot shorter, for example.

[versed helm]

guys….

so what happened to the key that halsey got from the librarian?

in spartan ops

[unique rune]

A Forerunner AI confiscated it after Halsey was being a naughty human

[versed helm]

huh where?

[unique rune]

It's covered in the Absolute Record arc of the Escalation comics.

[versed helm]

oh great

hope they animate it on a campaign flc

[gilded mason]

There'd be no reason to, the comic's already there.

[stark dome]

Halo Infinite Master Chief vs Halo TV Series Master Chief, who would win?

[severe cosmos]

Hmmm i would say infinite chief but idk. That would have a lot of outcomes.

[amber kestrel]

is the arbiter that master cheif is good with dead?

[humble yacht]

Thel Vadam is alive

He is set to appear in an upcoming novel: Halo Outcasts

[tacit charm]

because it's fun and why not. plus that's another way of saying the cov and unsc are just way more crap than crap

[fair hazel]

You’re a bit too obsessed with comparing to other stuff. Sure some can be fun but

[amber kestrel]

what about halo wars whos the arbiter that died there?

[maiden crest]

That was a different arbiter

it wasnt Thel Vadam

[agile zodiac]

Yeah

Forge rocked him

He's dead as hecc

[maiden crest]

i wonder if they ever recovered his body

its most likely vaporized

[last anchor]

Both would stare at each other for a little bit, then come to the same conclusion;
"Find us the most difficult mission you've got. We'll handle it."

[last anchor]

That would be Ripa 'Moramee, also known as the Crusher of Rebellions. Basically, he fought during one of the many Unggoy uprisings the Covenant faced, realized he liked slaughter, tried to pull that on his home clan on Sangheilios, got no-no'd straight to jail for it, and the Prophet of Regret was like "yo homie, I heard you like slaughter, how bout you turn your blades on those heretics on Harvest?"

And Ripa went "Sick." And then he did.

Till John Forge nay-nayed on him with his own sword on Trove anyway

[last anchor]

Etain Harborate/Trove was obliterated by an artificial supernova that deleted an entire fleet of Forerunner warships, some of the toughest vessels in existance. Hes ATOMS.

[maiden crest]

vaporized was quite an understatement i see

[last anchor]

Mind you even before that the last we see of his corpse is it being kicked off a tower thats multiple hundreds of kilometers high.

Presumably if he even hit the ground, there wouldnt be much left to begin with

[loud kestrel]

are we playing halo or are we playing other games?

[pine sage]

Quick question, do the MJOLNIR MK VII, gen 2, and gen 3 suits augment the wearers strength to a higher degree than the MK V siut?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[stark dome]

Terminate Cortana

[ebon coyote]

Unpopular opinion inbound but Novel Chief and Bungie Chief would absolutely obliterate Series Chief CUZ HE NEVER WEARS HIS BLOODY HELMET!! And Infinite Chief?? I dont know probably stare him into submission??

Halo 4 chief?? I think he would probably get along with Novel Chief since they are both caring and will obliterate anyone who threatens the lives of people they care about

Bungie Chief just did not effing care lol

5 Chief wouldn’t last long either cuz he doesn’t have a lick of personality in him…like at all lol

[glad wedge]

True.

[severe cosmos]

Bungie chief just kinda points and shoots.

Reminds me of the doomguy a little bit in that way…

[timid cloud]

How is that an unpopular opinion

[tacit charm]

yes

[tacit charm]

mark 4/5 had a 2x strength multiplier, mark 6 and above (at minimum) had 6x

[dawn lance]

What would be the advantage of the standard issue unsc marine assault rifle compared to a modern mk16a4 besides the bullet counter

[unique rune]

future gun science

[fair hazel]

Stabilization, hud, power

[valid hemlock]

And most important, coolness

[last anchor]

Reliability. The MA series puts even the AK to shame.

Mud, dirt, water, outer space, city trash, weird Forerunner goop, whatever you drag it through, she WILL still fire when you pull the trigger

[fierce pewter]

Hello

I was watching the Halo Wars 2 Cutscenes and at the end whe professor Anders is on the Halo going back to the Soell system she is taken out of the slipspace by one Cortana's guardian. So what I can recall the slipspace can't be affected by someone in normal space so how is that possible? Could the forerunners have implemented some kind of tech into the guardians taking into account that the guardians were made for controlling planets who were a menace to the mantle of responsability.

[last anchor]

Guardians were implicetly stated as being intended to police and control "lower" species.
Presumably that includes similar Slipspace interception/interruption gear as the weapons that made up the Line Instillations.

So yes, your right on the money

[fierce pewter]

Ok, but what I dont understand is that, how did the forerunners made a weapon to kill their worst enemy and didnt took any counter measures like its not like the flood couldnt hijack a guardian and use them against them

[last anchor]

Technically the Guardians were buried long before the Flood arrived

They were a tool of the old Encumine

They stayed buried during everything too. Thats why they were hidden on all those planets.

That being said Im not entirely sure they COULD be turned by the Flood. Warfleet suggests their ancillas were cold, emotionless, unthinking and devoted

Strange even to their forerunner masters

The logic plauge doesnt work on something that doesnt think

[fierce pewter]

That may be true

But the flood had huge knowledge if they cant think they are more vulnerable

[last anchor]

Not really, the logic plauge only works on things that thing, including artificial intelligences.
Hence; Sentinels.

And later the re-commenced Armiger frames

[fierce pewter]

Like imagine an cyber attack by the flood who can be more intelligent

However i dont think that the guardians were the only "ships" who could affect the slipspace like that. Is like having a radar and pulling someone out of their hide pretty ez

U have to use that tech somewhere else

[last anchor]

Again; Line Instillations

Weapons that punch through slipspace, kill the ship inside it, and rip it into real space

First seen in the Bloodlines (I think) comic, and then playable as Wreckage in Halo 4

[fierce pewter]

I havent read the comics (yet) xd

[last anchor]

You'll figure it out.

It makes sense

[fierce pewter]

Well are the halos protected against that?

Like if u have a super weapin against ur worst enemy ever seen u dont want it destroyed in the middle of the trip to its final location

[last anchor]

It would never get to that point; Halos have failsafes to scuttle them if they're attempted to be moved without authorization

Thats why they orbit gas giants or inhospitable planets; if they're attempted to be messed with, they're dropped into the gravity well.

Also, the Flood never reached the Line instillations. They're still active and functioning to this day

The Flood effectively side-stepped them with PRECURSOR POWERS

The second array was deployed on its own through the specific portals the Minor Ark opened

MIGHT have been before the Line was created actually, the timing on everything is SLIGHTLY awkward

[fierce pewter]

Like with all that has to do with the forerunners xdd

MC even traveled in time

[versed helm]

which is better Kilo 5 trilogy or forerunner trilogy?

[fiery fractal]

Question is the master cheif in the soda in the lore?

[humble yacht]

No

[valid hemlock]

Sad days we're living then

[frigid oar]

000 Tragic Solitude
001 Shamed Instrument
007 Contrite Witness
049 Abject Testament
343 Guilty Spark
2401 Penitent Tangent
16807 Abashed Eulogy
117649 Despondent Pyre

[loud kestrel]

whens killer orca gonna become a mod?

[dense falcon]

When 343 need more staff

[valid hemlock]

"wake me...when you need more staff"

[tacit charm]

when he gives us mac numbers

or rather

mac numbers that follow the lore

[chilly harness]

So I havent read any Halo books, should i start with Fall of Reach? Is it that good?

[valid hemlock]

Yeah sure, is a good place to start

[spiral jewel]

I feel like Cortana's leadership over the Created was way too short... as her reign was October 2558 to Somewhere between December 2559 and May 2560.

[humble yacht]

Yep

[severe cosmos]

Soooo now who leads The Created?

[spiral jewel]

My guess is Warden Eternal

[humble yacht]

Would be logical

[fair hazel]

There's remnants of the created and AI with uncertain futures and allegiances

[fierce pewter]

Yeah, it introduces you to the Spartans, but I think that Contact Harvest may be a good place to start, like its the first contact between the covenant and the humans so...

[fierce pewter]

Also another AI like the governor Sloan, the one seen on Meridian in H5

Maybe idk

[last anchor]

Depends on if the Domain truly cures rampancy or not. Cortana said it does, but this isnt the same Cortana we knew. This is her rampant fragments.

[versed helm]

btw where is the domain right now?

[humble yacht]

It’s sorta everywhere

[turbid lintel]

Were the Endless introduced or hinted at before Infinite?

[tacit charm]

no

ok moving on

[terse pecan]

roland should

[ebon coyote]

im not sure only because we dont know what happened to Infinity...

was he able to be evacuated??

even if he wasnt can the infinity serve as a base of operations for the Created??

and if not can Roland leave her behind?? are infinity comms online??

where he can simply pooferinos and reappear somewhere else??

given his passionate response in regards to the final dispensation of cortana in Halo 5...i wouldnt rule it out

also further evidenced in "Iona's trial"

in the end that left him pretty shaken and not stirred lol

so i would say its possible...but im not going to say it with an absolute certainty

because i just dont know

Infinity wasnt just his home it was an extension of him...losing her would be like if we as humans lost an arm or a leg...it would suck...also not trying to compare apples to oranges here

but i would go so far as to say Lasky is on par with Captains Keyes and Cutter....look at how loyal Serina was to Cutter...and Cortana to some extent was the same way with Keyes...Roland shared the same dynamics as well

[serene tapir]

The infinity didn’t get destroyed by the banished right? It escaped? Didn’t it??

[ebon coyote]

for lack of a better word...shes in limbo

we know shes is hurting we know she is bleeding...what we dont know is is she drifting?? did she crash on the ring?? or was she outright killed??

[serene tapir]

I remember someone telling me it silpspaced out but I can’t find any agreeing stuff online

[ebon coyote]

did she slip out?? i hope so i really do

i mean me and @gilded mason had a debate on this and we BOTH agree infinity is the 682 of the Halo universe...so she DOES deserve to be put to rest im just not sure of the right way to do it

[gilded mason]

so she DOES deserve to be put to rest
👏👑

[ebon coyote]

i mean dont get me wrong i want her to live...but she needs to rest

let her serve as a museum ship...or turn her into a hub world

[unique rune]

I mean at this point I think it's pretty safe to say the Infinity's just wrecked somewhere on Installation 07.

I don't really care that much about the ship itself so much as it feels like 343's just gone through Halo screaming "No more Reclaimer era!" and tossed out a huge chunk of the stuff they contributed to the series.

[ebon coyote]

her armories can be served to fine tune weapons...her hangar bays can serve to customize vehicles or heck make entirely new ones...wanna make a hog thats fires wraith mortars?? idk why you would but go for it lol sick bay can be used to tweak player stats...living quarters to customize armor configuration or make customizations...a social space...infinity has an onboard bar where people could go shoot the bull...idk about wargames...but sure why not

the possibilities are limitless

one could even say

...infinite

...ill show myself out

[terse lava]

With how much time had passed, the infinity has likely been scrapped by the Banished

[gilded mason]

based

[terse pecan]

imagine like a home base thing that you can use to modify weapons and vehicles and customize stuff

[ebon coyote]

That’s what I said??

[terse lava]

@gilded mason on facts😛

[fair hazel]

It’s not confirmed destroyed. In fact official material does not mention destroyed

So. Hopefully it’ll rise agai.

[versed helm]

infinity is dead… damn those banished. we should banished them as punishment!

[last anchor]

Its gonna take a LOT longer than 6 months to scrap a 5 kilometer long ship

Honestly if I would take my stab at it; considering she was well beyond Instillation 07 when she was attack (as we can see the entire ring, quite easily in the opening shot), she was left behind when the ring vanished but took all the bodies and debris with it (alongside several Bansished Dreads and Chief and Fernado's Pelican). She was on fire and exploding, yes, but this isnt the first time she's taken massive damage (see; her crash on Requiem).

[low whale]

she's pretty stuffed with engineers too

[last anchor]

The very distinct fact no official lore has noted she was "destroyed" is interesting.

But then, they dont exactly explain what happened on 07 in the Encylopedia either so

[short plank]

Wonder if the ship survived but then got stuck dealing with the Created/Guardians

Cause iirc from Shadows of Reach the Guardians can track slipspace ruptures? Need to double check

[low whale]

I believe so

[gilded mason]

They're probably going back and forth on whether to truly get rid of it. Hopefully they do.

[terse lava]

Would be nice, the Infinity was a borderline physical Mary-Sue.

[short plank]

Is there any story behind our multiplayer Spartan in Infinite? Aside from the stuff when doing the tutorial.

[last anchor]

Nope. Might be some next week though with Lone Wolves

Course, that doesnt stop you from doing your own headcanons and such.

[terse lava]

Yeah, that's more so for people to make their own thing for their Spartans. As for those that play Sangheili, too bad

[fair hazel]

Hopefully Infinity will rise once more

Also this is interesting

https://twitter.com/haruspis/status/1518654040065945601

Alex | Haruspis (@haruspis)

@TheTrekspert @cia391 @Halopedia No lol. The implication one MIGHT draw from Primordium is that Vinnevra’s true name is Cortana, but to be clear that is the realm of infinite unconfirmed possibilities.

Twitter · Apr 25, 2022, 6:11 PM

[versed helm]

So question

[terse lava]

Hm. Reading that makes me miss the Catalog's Q/A stuff on Waypoint

[versed helm]

How well do UNSC standard issue weapons work against Spartans in MJOLNIR that has shields?

[humble yacht]

Wasn’t catalog just Frankie

[terse lava]

Idk who controlled it

[gilded mason]

That seems...weird. Like, what's the point of her name (possibly) being Cortana? What does it add?

[humble yacht]

Coulda sworn it was frank

[terse lava]

Could have been Frankie, could have been another 343 employee

@gilded mason HFY energy, because everything revolves around Chief and Cortana

[gilded mason]

I remember in Fall of Reach, a few assault rifles drained John's Mark V shields very quickly

[terse lava]

Weren't those machine gun emplacements, when he was trying the suit out?

[gilded mason]

Nah, specifically ARs

[terse lava]

Hm, was that the scene where the marines attempted to ambush him in the tent and he spartan timed/slow mo best them?

[gilded mason]

No idea

[terse lava]

Been too long since I have read it

[versed helm]

Hmm curious.
I remeber Mark VI having no issue with a pistol, at least according to Fred

[gilded mason]

Shielding tends to be very fluctuating as the situation/narrative calls for it.

[tacit charm]

i too have heard of this bullet time feat

there was also another instant of that but it involved a turret

spartan time can be kinda weird tbh

oh wait

[terse lava]

Hm i wonder if there is technically a "Sangheili time" seeing as Rtas was ablento keep and with a augmented San'Shyuum prelate

[tacit charm]

there was also black team dodging lasers and beam rifle shots in blood line

[short plank]

I can’t wait for that, really curious how they got a Banished phantom back to Earth

[versed helm]

They aren't on Earth doe

[loud kestrel]

holy crap that could be an entirely new expansion pack for halo infinite seeing as it is 100% related to and is a very large topic everyone wants to know about

[loud kestrel]

if i were the banished, i would not scrap it, i would repair and refit it for banished use, scraping it will definitely give a lot of spare parts, but its much more useful as it is

[loud kestrel]

u know how at the end of halo wars 2, ||anders entered slipspace and the guardian appeared?|| maybe that connects to the infinity somehow? maybe anders will somehow get to the infinity, maybe that could be a halo wars 3?

[gilded mason]

That seems extremely improbable.

[loud kestrel]

well until we get some hard information, we can hope and dream, maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong, but we'll figure out eventually

[unique rune]

...You can say that about a lot of things.

[humble yacht]

It’s more likely that you’re wrong

[ebon coyote]

Agreed

i mean whether Infinity lives or dies...one thing is for sure...she IS the 682 of the Halo universe...and as such needs to be put to rest

whether as a museum ship...or as a hub world

i mean there was a time i thought just set her down on 07 and let her rest...but after seeing whats left of the 225?? i discarded that option very quickly

cuz my heart breaks just looking at the Mriya...and for infinity to share that same fate?? no thank you

[ocean ibex]

Is the power difference between elites and Spartans a bit over exaggerated?

Chief can take on dozens of elites in cqc but in the package he almost lost to a major in a duel

[loud kestrel]

chief is no ordinary spartan tho, and hes lived a lot longer then most if not all spartans

[unique rune]

chief is no ordinary spartan tho
I mean, no, outside of his "luck" and maybe leadership capability he's pretty average as far as Spartan-IIs go.

Lore-wise the disparity between Sangheili and Spartans is much closer than the games and gameplay mechanics really suggest.

[tacit charm]

that depends on the spartans and elites in question

[loud kestrel]

issue is the elites are like the entire population, they didnt need all these special expensive enhancements, spartans are much more vulnerable

spartans will eventually run out, elites will not, at least not if the species lives

[unique rune]

I mean... yeah? On average an adult Sangheili serving in the military is still pretty much comparable to Spartans in a 1-to-1 fight, which I assume they're asking about.

Their numbers have nothing to do with it

[tacit charm]

also it depends what gen/version of Mjolnir they're wearing too

[loud kestrel]

although elites versus spartans doesnt matter much considering they left the covenant and a good chunk work with the unsc now

[ocean ibex]

What was chief wearing in the package

[tacit charm]

then i guess they're more or less equal in terms of strength

for the most part spartan do have superior training by their sides

rip those silent shadow elites in silent storm plus arbiter's little encounter with grey in cole

also rip that one behemoth elite in i think gamma station

[fair hazel]

Pretty sure the assault rifles were draining the shields but a hairbreath

so like, very little

[gilded mason]

Are you responding to me.

[fair hazel]

I think so

Yes I am

[gilded mason]

You should probably use the Reply feature next time, but anyway, here's the passages:

A three-round burst ricocheted off the MJOLNIR armor’s energy shield. The shield’s recharge bar flickered a hairbreadth.
That is probably what you were thinking of. Three bullets. Now here's what I was talkin' about:
The three remaining Marines opened fire—spraying bullets in a full-auto fusillade. Bullets pinged off the Master Chief’s shield.

The shield status indicator blinked and dropped with each bullet impact—the sustained weapons fire was draining the shield precipitously.

[fair hazel]

Sustained fire started draining the shield yes

That's four assault rifles full auto

[gilded mason]

Three. That was what my original response was saying, so

[fair hazel]

The three remaining marines opened fire

[gilded mason]

Yes. Because they were the only ones left in that current fight

[fair hazel]

Right

[gilded mason]

The fourth was just neutralized before that

[fair hazel]

But it seems alright? Full auto sustained drops the shields, more from an MA5B yes and it's mark V

[gilded mason]

Yes. The original question was how UNSC weapons did against shields, and I responded with what three ARs firing at Mark V did.

[fair hazel]

Worth nothing three bullets is only a hairbreadth.

[gilded mason]

Okey.

[fair hazel]

I wish we'd see more overshields used in the books thouhg

I'm glad the sentinel sight appears. Longshot is used in divine wind, but I wish it had been the sentinel. I like the sentinel sight so much

Energy bayonet has yet to appear

I want to message troy denning now

[grand iris]

I'd really love to know what S-IV's would need to do to qualify as a headhunter since S-III's would need to complete 2 special missons to do that

[craggy sierra]

Except every other Spartan 2 that's still alive I guess.

[gilded mason]

And depending on how you view Cryo, he's actually been alive less than all the other current SIIs

[ocean ibex]

Wasn’t John already on the younger side for Spartan 2’s

[versed helm]

That reminds me about something that always bothered me

I've read about like half the books, if not more, and don't remember a Scarab appearing in any

[near tide]

It’s close but Spartans are better

A higher ranked elite though…

John took down a few silent shadows and another elite at once

During silent storm

[versed helm]

I think the general idea at the start was that Elites were equal but it has been clearly retconed evern since, given the kill count of your average SII

Or even SIII and SIV

[craggy sierra]

Pretty sure it hasn't been retconned

Elites are strong bois.

But there is more going on than just raw strength. Demeanor, attitude, background training, etc. While any elite can probably pump iron as good as any Spartan they also have a wider range of skill disparity like a normal millitary. Elite minors are early in their careers and what not and lack experience. Once you get up into ship masters and what not where most of their lives have been successful tours of duties like Arby or Rtas then they can probably go toe to toe fine.

And for what its worth, that tends to be the criteria pool for Spartan 4 applicants.

People who've thrived in the war and did well without power armor

[last anchor]

Its mentioned in Palace Hotel.

And a couple were mentioned munching into Menachite Mountain in First Strike. I think that was the first time we saw em proper before Halo 2.

[versed helm]

Well to be fair palace hotel is an semi adaptation of Metropolis

[tame gazelle]

I just found out about Battle Born, was it as 😬 as it sounds?

Kinda morbid curiosity

[gilded mason]

For some people, yes.

[unique rune]

It's... okay?

I didn't hate it, but it's very much a YA novel.

[gilded mason]

Indeed

[tame gazelle]

That's about what I figured lol

I feel like if it had come out around Halo 2 or 3, I'd be in love with it and absolutely insufferable though. lol

[unique rune]

The sequel is a lot more, er... young adult-y. Didn't dislike it either but it felt like a bit of a headscratcher sometimes.

Will say I am disappointed that the planned third book got canned, even with all my issues with the Battle Born series.

[tame gazelle]

Tropier or worse?

[unique rune]

I'd say tropier sounds appropriate.

[terse spire]

M41 vulcan ;-;

[last anchor]

And sadly we will never learn the name of the weapon they used in the first book.
The plasma-hybrid 100 round magazine monstrosity.

Curses

[fair hazel]

I did like legacy of onyx more

[serene tapir]

Sorry just got to say 343 lore > bungie lore

[last anchor]

Legacy of Onyx was more a YA novel than Battleborn was almost, which is funny to me.
Then again, only ONE of those two novels has an old ONI dude cranking hard on a gauss canon and killing a mythical Sangheili creature with 25mm tungston rounds sooo.

Also I really like Molly. I dunno why. Shes just...its weird.
LOO really is a YA novel written for adults I feel like.

[tame gazelle]

I do like the idea of Spartan augmentations being used for non-supersoldier things, though I feel this was kind of a stretch for the first application.

I had the idea of an OC that was pressured into enlisting as a S-IV because she's a close relative of one of the Spartan-IIs and some lab guys want to compare the two, like how America went all-in on unethical social experiments after World War II.

[versed helm]

Yeah Legacy of Onyx is... well I certainly didn't imagine a YA novel would have an giant alien snapping the neck of some human kid that annoyed him.

[tame gazelle]

We must have been reading different YA novels. I liked Replica, where the villains were filthy rich neo-nazis.

Also uh, Infinite season 2 seems to involve the MP Spartan joining a wolf-themed fireteam. That makes me nervous, because if you look in the Halo encyclopedia, a wolf is the symbol for ||Fireteam Crimson||. So that's interesting.

I'd feel pretty crappy if they retconned ||Spartan Ops to be about NPCs||

[ebon coyote]

my apologies if this is a stupid question but what does YA stand for??

[short plank]

Young adult

[ebon coyote]

oh okay

thanks

[short plank]

Most welcome o/

[severe cosmos]

And now I’m interested in the weapon.

[versed helm]

Does anybody have the new edition of the Halo Encyclopedia and is willing to show me something I'm really interested in knowing?

[versed helm]

in long night of solace, whats in the box jorge carries?

[severe cosmos]

I would like to believe its an ammo box for his chaingun, but I’m unsure.
Your best guess is as good as mine.

[short plank]

It was his lunch. Man’s gotta eat.
(Kidding of course, no idea either)

[versed helm]

forerunner trilogy is sooo good

im so glad for halo 4 lore that introduced the lore in the games

[tame gazelle]

It reads to me like 343's franchise original sin.

I liked it, a lot, but I think the Forerunner Trilogy foreshadows a lot of the storytelling difficulties in the Reclaimer Saga.

It feels a little like Halo was trying to become a hard sci-fi version of Destiny.

Honestly it reminds me a loooooooooot of what Stargate went through in their postscript seasons lol

[tacit charm]

it's good in the sense that it made the forerunners weaker than i initially thought plus it makes the flood (so far in lore) one of the biggest dumbas ive ever seen

[tame gazelle]

Once their war with religious advanced aliens was over, humanity started grabbing all the Ancient doohickeys they could find and sort of established a galactic hegemon while trying to take on the mystic legacy left to them while exploring corruption in their government, and the series just wasn't the same

[tame gazelle]

How are the Flood dumbbutts?

[tacit charm]

cause of the firing of the arrays

very interesting why they let the halos fire

and also very dumb

[tame gazelle]

I don't think so. They're beyond sentience, they don't need any defined form to propagate their existence.

It made me think of Lovecraftian entities that are beyond our ability to comprehend and just seem to wreak indiscriminate chaos, when what's going on is that its thought processes and goals are consistent ("sweetness," the quality of things growing and changing through strife), it makes no sense to people why they'd want that.

[tacit charm]

they definitely could have sent star roads and/or a few flood forces out the range of the halos given the fact that they/grave already knows about the firing of the halos, heck they definitively should have done that before the firing and the Maginot shenanigans

[tame gazelle]

I don't think the Gravemind cared if the Halos were fired. It knew they'd keep the Flood in quarantine zones on the Halos, and their primary goal, revenge against the Forerunners, was accomplished by sitting back and letting them destroy themselves and the legacy of the Precursors.

In 50,000 BC, Gravemind was thinking, "No biggie, I'll just win in 2552" because it satisfied him to see the Forerunners self-destruct due to their hubris and warlike manner.

[tacit charm]

it's not like if you sent some star roads outside the range of the halos and attack the remaining forerunners would just be an automatic victory for you, also saying "oh flood revenge" doesnt make it less stupid

[tame gazelle]

Well.

[tacit charm]

not to mention

why not

literally why not

why not literally send a small flood/star roads (post primordial shenanigans stuff) outside the galaxy

[tame gazelle]

Because the Forerunners are ultra-heretics for stealing the Mantle from humanity, and the Primordial made the Flood carry on that wrath, without the long-term goals.

[tacit charm]

idc if it's revenge or not that's stupid until something new comes up in lore

[tame gazelle]

The Primordial didn't care if the Flood infected everything. He just wanted to make the Forerunners realize that their hubris was destroying everything they claim to uphold.

[tacit charm]

send out flood/star roads

yeet the forerunners

[tame gazelle]

WHY?

What does that accomplish?

[tacit charm]

not like there will be anyone or anyone important that can access the domain once all the forerunners are dead

[tame gazelle]

I don't think that was enough for Gravemind.

[tacit charm]

that's dumb

[tame gazelle]

I think the Forerunners owning themselves and destroying the Mantle in their attempt to uphold it was more satisfying, because it made their failure self-evident to everyone. Remember when Gravemind sent Forthencho to troll the Librarian by explaining what the Domain was and what would happen when the Halos went off?

I think that was his victory.

[tacit charm]

ok

satisfying

but dumb

[tame gazelle]

No, I mean satisfying to Gravemind. He was programmed with the Precursors' rage at being overthrown by an unworthy race. So all Gravemind cared about was owning the Forerunners. Infecting the entire universe was a side perk.

[tacit charm]

we know it's dumb cause if the forerunner had just decided to delete all flood stuff in the galaxy as far as we're aware (no dont use "the flood has ended galaxies" line that guy at best is sus) it's game over for the flood

[tacit charm]

still doesnt address the stupidity of not literally sending one ship or star roads for insurance or a tactical advantage

[tame gazelle]

Gravemind had the tactical advantage. He's an emergent property of the Flood, so he'll always respawn as long as there are Flood.

I think there was too much Flood for the Forerunners to just ctrl-a+del the entire concept of a Flood Super Cell.

[tacit charm]

the reason why's there's flood is cause forerunner wanna do google history just in case they return next time but if they destroyed all flood samples they collected it would literally be game over for the flood

[tame gazelle]

There would always be another planet where it might have survived. The Forerunners, as holders of the Mantle, felt like they had to control the Flood as part of their duty, and "probably mostly exterminated" wasn't good enough.

[tacit charm]

also

[tame gazelle]

If they said the Flood was done and dusted, but then an Infection Form survived on some backwater colony, that would be an even greater failure to the Mantle right?

[tacit charm]

he would have had a further advantage if he'd literally just sent out one ship or star road

[tame gazelle]

What advantage? What goal would he have in messing up the Halos?

The Forerunners owning themselves was a bigger strategic goal than killing all Forerunners.

That was his objective, not to infect everything and stop the Halos.

[tacit charm]

go out the galaxy, let arrays fire and kill remaining forerunner. what are the remaining forerunners gonna do against star roads

[tame gazelle]

The Star Roads were destroyed when the Halo fired. Anything that relies on neural physics, like the Domain or Star Roads, existn'ted when the array was activated, but the Forerunners didn't know that.

[tacit charm]

ye

[tame gazelle]

That's why Gravemind made Forthencho go lmao at the Librarian, because he wanted her to realize what they had done.

[tacit charm]

that's why you send a few out of the range of the halos

[tame gazelle]

To do what?

[tacit charm]

i just said it

send a gravemind if you need to

[tame gazelle]

I think it wanted some Forerunners to live on with the knowledge of how badly they screwed up, because the way they'd feel so miserable and worthless was...Like, correcting the damage to Living Time that had been done by the Forerunners stealing the Mantle.

[tacit charm]

why dafaq would you leave 99% of your forces within the array's range

that's still dumb

[tame gazelle]

The Precursors and Flood don't care. They don't want to "win" the way you think they do.

[tacit charm]

there would have been zero forerunners if they'd just done what i said

or none that matter

[tame gazelle]

Gravemind didn't want there to be zero Forerunners! He wanted the universe to recognize that the Forerunners didn't deserve the Mantle!

[tacit charm]

ok

that's dumb on the gravemind then

idc if he wanted that or not that's still dumb

[tame gazelle]

Why? He was created to do that. That's what he's for.

[tacit charm]

well

[tame gazelle]

I think in the mind of the Precursors, they had already won. They would just evolve back and then they'd exist again. The Forerunners had to be punished, and that's all the Flood was supposed to do, punish them.

[tacit charm]

he/the flood had their motives changed when the primordial self inserted itself into the flood consciousness

[tame gazelle]

Yeah. That's when it programmed them.

[tacit charm]

actually

[tame gazelle]

The punishment is that the galaxy dies because they couldn't uphold the Mantle. That's what the Primordial wanted when he Agent Smith'd the Flood.

[tacit charm]

that just makes the primordial stupid

imagine saying how much you hate the races that killed you and swore revenge on them

[tame gazelle]

Yeah, it does. Grief makes you do stupid things, and he had seen the ultimate heresy happen and cost him everything.

[tacit charm]

and stupidly take away the advantage of yeeting them altogether

[tame gazelle]

His revenge is that the Forerunners had to confront the fact that they never deserved the Mantle, which they care so much about

[tacit charm]

still dumb

[tame gazelle]

I think the Precursors thought the Gravemind would eventually become the Precursors and restore them like the way a Flood outbreak restores the Gravemind.

But because they were corrupted by their pain, like the Primordial, they can't.

[tacit charm]

that's a cool theory

[tame gazelle]

And instead they're in this constant state of rage and pain.

[tacit charm]

bit it's only theory

[tame gazelle]

[extremely annoying voice] A GAAAAAAME THEORYYYYY

[tacit charm]

we dont know wtf the flood would have been cause they basically stupidly let themselves to die

at least so far in lore

[tame gazelle]

I don't think you understand how Gravemind works.

[tacit charm]

ik how he works

he's also stupid as well

[tame gazelle]

The Didact and Master Chief fought the same Gravemind. The same guy. When the Flood died, he went to sleep. When the outbreak on Delta Halo was bad enough, he woke up. That's how it was to him.

He didn't let himself die, he just took a nap.

[tacit charm]

he took a nap in your words cause there was enough flood/biomass to create another host for the gravemind

if the forerunners destroyed all flood samples as far as the lore is concerned about other flood whereabouts post array firing the flood would have been screwed

also

if the grave/primordial really needs to just do what i say and keep some forerunners alive while you still have some powerful tools on your hand

[tame gazelle]

That's right. But they didn't, because they felt like the Mantle required them to fully understand the Flood before allowing it to existn't.

Gravemind, understanding the Mantle better than them, knew they couldn't let him die.

[tacit charm]

lucky they chose that route

[tame gazelle]

It's only lucky if we manage to completely and totally destroy the Flood.

Otherwise, it's just a setback to Gravemind that lets him wait while we die out.

[tacit charm]

it's only lucky the forerunners kept flood samples around cause so far in lore that's basically why the flood still exists

again

so far in lore

i dont trust that stupid "flood has ended galaxies" line

[tacit charm]

[tame gazelle]

I don't think it matters whether they ended galaxies or not and I haven't used that line once.

[tacit charm]

ik

just bringing it up

also

it does matter

[tame gazelle]

It's not lucky. It's the Mantle. The Forerunners couldn't let the Flood die until they fully understood how to protect against it. The Gravemind knew they couldn't let the Flood die.

[tacit charm]

it makes the whole flood seppuku make a bit more sense and/or reasonable

[tame gazelle]

I don't understand what you're saying and I kind of feel like I'm arguing with a wall. ;_;

[humble yacht]

At the end of the day, having different interpretations of what the flood wants is fine

You’re both equally right and wrong

[tacit charm]

maybe it's cause most of your arguments are based on theories or have not much relevant to the topic, like the "gravemind wants to keep forerunner around because they live in regret" when the better option was to just clearly erase them out of existence or if you really need to keep some alive while still retaining a sizable force

[tame gazelle]

I don't know what that emoji is supposed to signify.

Your arguments seem to predicate on imagining the Flood in human terms, while I'm trying to think of it as, like, Cthulhu or something, where it's so far beyond you that you'll never understand it or matter to it.

Which is, you know, fine.

That's as valid as what I'm doing, like Cimera said.

[tacit charm]

also lucky that series of events happened and the forerunners still wanted to keep flood samples alive to study just in case instead of just bombing every samples out of existence and unless there's actual lore on other flood whereabouts post array well the flood would have been screwed if they did that

tis very lucky

also cthulu or not and unless intergalactic flood is referenced in new lore the flood still lost 99% of their forces just to troll the librarian about the domain and by extension the didact

[tame gazelle]

It doesn't seem like luck to me!

The Forerunners kept the Flood because they had to be true to the Mantle. The Gravemind is known to have a better understanding of the Mantle than the Forerunners, which is how it infected Mendicant Bias.

So it planned with the knowledge that the Forerunners would never fully exterminate them.

[tacit charm]

they also kept it in case the flood returned

[tame gazelle]

Exactly. Because the Mantle said they had to.

[tacit charm]

idr anything about it relating to the actual mantle

if they simply just bombed the flood samples out of existence

again

so far in lore

the flood would have been boned

lucky they didnt take that step

plus that's still a huge gamble for the grave to bet on

well grave/primordial whatever

screw im checking if it actually had to do with the mantle cause i dont remember anything like that being mentioned

[humble yacht]

The forerunner interpretation of the mantle is an imperial rule, but that’s not necessarily how the precursors interpreted it

[tacit charm]

hm

[humble yacht]

Since the mantle isn’t an actual thing, but rather a philosophy, there isn’t really a “better” understanding of it

[tacit charm]

ive just checked

found nada

so that's sus

so i guess it is actually just lucky the forerunners chose the 'just in case' route instead of bombing all samples out of existence

[humble yacht]

It was a conscious choice so I wouldn’t call it luck

[tacit charm]

plus the grave/primordial wouldnt have had that unnecessary risk if they'd done what ive said

seem more like a gamble if anything (so far in lore), seems like the man just wanted to troll the librarian and that's it

[humble yacht]

The forerunner flood war didn’t truly spark up until after the flood returned a second time from beyond the galactic edge. Forerunners realized there may be more flood out beyond the galaxy so samples were maintained for study in hopes that a more effective weapon or cure could be developed over time, in case they did come back

[tacit charm]

ik

i said that before

[humble yacht]

So even if the forerunners had destroyed every sample of flood (which tbh would be really hard to verify that every last spore was gone), the flood could still magically reappear from beyond the galaxy again

Wouldn’t necessarily be good storytelling but it is a possibility

[tacit charm]

but seeing as so far in lore there's no hints to intergalactic flood or if whole forerunners ghosting the flood for 10,000ish years meant the flood spreading to other galaxies or just literally one or two planets, who knows, that entire flood force in the ff war could have been just it

not saying what the forerunners did was dumb

just saying that risk of the forerunners just bombing the samples seems kind of an unnecessary risk for the flood/grave/primordial's cringe motives to take

an easy way to fix this and not just sending other flood forces out the galaxy when you definitely could is to just simply state the flood was/is actually intergalactic

[humble yacht]

Well from a storytelling standpoint, the only source that would know that info would be the narrator

No characters in the story know for sure if flood are still out there, and since the stories follow character perspectives, that lack of knowledge extends to us as readers

[tacit charm]

there was sus boi gravemind that one time

specifically near the end of silentium

man just outright states the flood has allegedly ended galaxies

[humble yacht]

Graveminds can’t be considered a fully reliable source of info, given that they have been known to purposefully manipulate people for their own gains

[tacit charm]

i just said that

;-;

[humble yacht]

Could be true or it could have been a fib just to make librarian sad

[tacit charm]

well not in those words

five bucks 343 is going to make the line true at some point

btw

if anyone is going to use the "oh the flood were the precursor's weapons against the foehammers" or "the precursor always planned this out" theories it just makes both the flood and precursors (mostly precursors) dumb

honestly kinda hoping they dont make the flood intergalactic just so the flood remain smooth brain

[humble yacht]

Foehammer was a pelican pilot

😐

[tacit charm]

it was a jk chimera

;-;

[tame gazelle]

I got a better question.

Do you think "The Covenant found Earth by accident" would have stuck in our craw the way "Cortana upgraded Chief with nanobots" did if we had known about it ahead of time?

Replaying the MCC. Thinking about how the reactions to Bungie and 343 differ. I wonder how much of it is just a change in how we see the media.

[tacit charm]

i think the flood were stupid

[tame gazelle]

I still don't know the significance of that emoji.

[short plank]

[tame gazelle]

I know it's the Among Us guy as Master Chief but I don't know what it's supposed to signify.

[severe cosmos]

Just, among us. I think?

[humble yacht]

I wouldn’t worry about the emoji, some people just use them frivolously

[valid hemlock]

[tame gazelle]

Oh. Okay! 🏳️‍⚧️

[barren ferry]

Are Brutes, SPARTANs and Elites capable of ripping off infection forms with ease?

[gilded mason]

Probably, yeah

[barren ferry]

I mean if normal humans can hold them back

I always wondered why elites and brutes especially don’t just rip them off

Although that’s probably just gameplay purposes in Halo 3

[gilded mason]

Yeh, was gonna say that last part.

[humble yacht]

If the infection form has already gotten into your skin then probably not with great pain

Tho once skin is broken all it has to do is expel some spores and it’s game over

[short plank]

Pretty sure a few Brutes ripped them off in a ‘halo wars 2: awakening the nightmare’ cutscene

[versed agate]

My theory:

Theory the possible new AI

-a new legendary color, possibly from the new AI.

-in the middle part of the video they skipped the nv 50. To put the lore
+In the video you can see the company: LUX VOLUPSA with its logo: artificial minds, reals solutions.
+you get to see an image of what looks like a weird AI-shaped thing

-at the end of the season trailer, there was an infected by an ai apparently, maybe trying to download the file from the said company

[last anchor]

Invaded, not infected

It’s probably just a Created allied smart AI doing their own thing

[versed agate]

I have no idea it's just a theory

[versed helm]

Halo 2 cutscenes show that it’s not really a problem for Brutes and Chief.

Prob wouldn’t be for elites either

But all it takes is for one infection form to puncture through your skin and it’s over.

[severe cosmos]

Does the covenant use smart AIs? (Example: if the covenant had something similar to Roland)

[gilded mason]

Nah, they ended research into Smart AI equivalents after mishaps with AI regarding the Flood and learning about Mendicant Bias.

[unique rune]

The Lux Voluspa teaser mentions something about its signal being of Jiralhanae origin. So I assume whatever it is it's something associated with the Banished.

[humble yacht]

Sigh

Lame

[unique rune]

Lux is just Latin for 'light', Voluspa is apparently an old Norse poem about the creation/destruction/rebirth of the world.

Not really sure what to make of all of it.

[short plank]

So a Banished AI perhaps? Or an ally of the created working with the Banished?

[stable spade]

Idk whether to ask here or in legacy games chat, but regarding a character in Reach, there is a narrator in the campaign who occasionally gives Noble Team information, but I cannot find him through my searches. He sounds like the extremely calm monotone cousin of Jeff Steitzer.
Is anyone familiar with the voice actor or the in-game name for this character? He provides some useful information to the player. An example: Info on how the defense turrets operate for Dr. Halsey in the beginning of the Final Rallypoint of "The Package."

[versed helm]

holland?

[short plank]

That would be Colonel Holland

[versed helm]

“i stuck my neck out for noble on this one lieutenant”

[unique rune]

Nah, I don't think they're talking about Col. Holland.

There's an unnamed ONI Command staff guy or something who basically just points out things for you to do in some missions.

[short plank]

The guy at sword base maybe?

[ebon coyote]

That’s tricky and the reason I say that is only because they are a parasite driven by the most basic of needs…the need to feed

But they also had the capacity to learn through assimilation

What they can’t assimilate they can’t understand

I mean I don’t wanna compare apples to oranges and say they behave much like the borg but if the shoe fits lol

And as a parasitic life form it doesn’t adapt to its hosts the host adapts to serve the needs of the parasite

[terse lava]

Not really the Borg, more a building up until they can tap into an almost infinite well of knowledge in the form of the gravemind

[ebon coyote]

Maybe I misunderstood the borg all these years but…let’s hypothesize and editorialize for a moment…take the borg queen out of the picture for a moment…they lose the benefit of a cohesive hive mind…as such will scramble to reinstall a new queen correct??

[terse lava]

From what little I know of star trek maybe?

[severe cosmos]

So, i got a purple (mega blocks) ODST recently, and I believe i saw a similar character on a halo arcade game?

Does anyone know what the character is bc in curious to know where (or if) it fits into the lore somewhere

[ebon coyote]

Much like the flood they feed on biomass and as such the constituents will eventually form a proto gravemind to assume control over local forces…eventually proto grave minds will become an actual grave mind…and so on until there is nothing left

[ebon coyote]

Sounds like fireteam ravens Commanding Officer maybe??

[unique rune]

Sounds like Ava Lang from Fireteam Raven, as featured in the arcade rail shooter of the same name.

She was the team's demolitions expert or something like that.

[ebon coyote]

Well at least I got the fireteam raven part right lol

[severe cosmos]

Imma need to look that up, thanks for the quick answer!

[ebon coyote]

Your very welcome

🫂

Anyways back to the flood versus Borg thing…I would argue they share many of the same qualities…maybe not an exact match but [REDACTED] near close enough lol

[terse lava]

Problem though is there can be multiple graveminds existing at the same time, and I assume a single born queen

[ebon coyote]

Okay that I didn’t know I knew multiple proto graveminds would eventually become a single grave mind…

But you are correct there can only be one queen

[terse lava]

No, multiple can exist, and they a are the same mind, not sepersate individuals

[ebon coyote]

So multiple grave minds exist but they are all one single entity??

Then yeah like I said apples to oranges lol my apologies

I was operating under a different pretense

[terse lava]

No problem

[tame gazelle]

I was thinking about how similar Halo and Stargate are in some ways, and man am I glad that Halo didn't have the problem that show had when they beat the religious aliens.

Because, like, the hot genius girl got replaced by an evil version of herself, and evil genius girl has this army of robots she wants to control the galaxy with. And that would suck!

Glad that didn't happen. :3

[sick vine]

Lang was and ODST with purple armor in the arcade of halo fireteam raven, mega construx had a figure with that name in the halo heroes series 11

[versed helm]

Soo the AI in the new trailer is good ol Mendicant Bias huh?

[last anchor]

Not that we know of

[versed helm]

Well this bit https://www.luxvoluspa.com/
Has a mores code

which translates to 05-032

So either someone is playing an expensive prank or We gonna get le war criminal

[fair hazel]

I was about to ask

Is that real?

I just saw it less than a minute ago

[versed helm]

No idea

[unique rune]

It doesn’t seem real, honestly

The site just seems to have come out of nowhere and the teaser itself didn’t have any links or similar stuff.

Like unless there’s a QR code hidden in a loading sequence the way one of Infinite’s early teasers worked I doubt it’s genuine

And given that we’ve yet to see any huge community reveal that there was a hidden code I suspect it’s fake

Combined with the Jiralhanae signal bit I’m inclined to believe it’s just someone being intentionally misleading

[tacit charm]

not until a gravemind is formed

i mean they still need to feed but they can do it much better with a keymind lying around

also i mean keymind/hivemind not og chad keyminds

[near tide]

Agree

[barren ferry]

Bro how do people think this is fair https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/eu2bhj/halos_unsc_vs_frieza_force/

Like why

Why make this matchup

How much must you hate Halo to do this

Literally a single Frieza Soldier is too much

[tacit charm]

hmm

kinda wanna see if someone on there tried to defend halo unironically

[barren ferry]

Probably, I’ve heard people say a SPARTAN can win against a Saiyan once lmfao

[humble yacht]

Vegeta could blow up planets even before he became a super Saiyan

[barren ferry]

He’s not required

Even basic Frieza soldiers

Wouldn’t be affected

By a NOVA Bomb

Let alone him

[humble yacht]

Basic Frieda soldiers may be able to be challenged by a spartan

[barren ferry]

HAHJAHHAHAHHAHAHAA

No

[humble yacht]

The most basic frieza soldiers couldn’t even use Ki

They had arm guns

[barren ferry]

Except they can, they just need to use arm cannons to have better control of it

[tacit charm]

well you see, spartans were once called god like figures hence

[gaunt oak]

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[tacit charm]

[gaunt oak]

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[barren ferry]

But they scale to Raditz anyways

[tacit charm]

seriously

[barren ferry]

And he can take moon busting attacks

Without flinching

[tacit charm]

unsc is so screwed

[barren ferry]

A SPARTAN isn’t doing jack

[humble yacht]

Wouldn’t call raditz basic

[barren ferry]

He’s hardly above a regular Frieza soldier

Even the weakest are small planet level

Piccolo with a power level of 322 casually vaporized a moon

Basic Frieza soldiers are comfortably above 1,000

A SPARTAN isn’t doing anything dude

[tacit charm]

that's some nice vs battles terminology

[barren ferry]

If we wanna be generous

SPARTANs are like

Building Level+ physically

Best

[tacit charm]

idk what kind of person who thinks they can

[humble yacht]

Where is that info coming from

[barren ferry]

Look at where they laugh when the warrior Namekians have a power level of 1,000

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[tacit charm]

ok zoomer

[barren ferry]

Bruh

Also I’m on mobile so

Eh

But seriously, Kid Goku could one shot SPARTANs after his first training with Roshi

[tacit charm]

yes

[barren ferry]

Even before that he managed to push a rock that was apparently calced at over 500 tons

[tacit charm]

but actually

yes

[barren ferry]

With a shell on his back

[tacit charm]

oh

well

ye

actually rip spartan 2

[barren ferry]

Hell, SPARTANs wouldn’t even be capable of holding their own against most Sonic or even Naruto characters

[tacit charm]

even john in shadows of reach with that 50-300 ton boulder

[barren ferry]

Let alone planetary opponents from dragon ball

Oh and remember when I said SPARTANs are only building level+ physically

Yeah that’s with armor

Without it they’re literally Wall Level+

Plus a Frieza Soldier has far superior speed

SPARTANs aren’t even Subsonic, meanwhile Frieza Soldiers are FTL

[humble yacht]

What

[barren ferry]

Scaling off of Piccolo’s ki blast and Raditz once again.

And if you wanna lowball them

Relativistic+

[humble yacht]

Ki doesn’t move at light speed

[barren ferry]

Who’s?

[humble yacht]

Dude

[barren ferry]

Low tier DBZ characters?

Sure.

[humble yacht]

Please disable pings

[barren ferry]

People who scale to MFTL+ speeds by the Namek saga?

Yeah nah.

It moves faster.

[humble yacht]

The only true ftl ability described was instant transmission

[barren ferry]

You really think that’s only light speed

Why are you using the dub

It’s literally INSTANT

Characters have been FTL since the Saiyan saga

And have only gotten faster since.

Same goes for their energy blasts.

Even Kid Goku was Massively Hypersonic+

[humble yacht]

If ki blasts truly moved faster than light then they’d be invisible

[barren ferry]

To you

Oh ffs

Not to opponents fast enough to react to them

Given they emit their own.

By simple scaling they’re already well above that.

[tacit charm]

there was also that one time picalo struck the moon in a second or two

[barren ferry]

Yup

[humble yacht]

Light can’t also travel ftl

[barren ferry]

And that was traveling at least 25% the speed of light

So?

[tacit charm]

idr if the distance was given though

[barren ferry]

Ki Blasts are still FTL regardless via feats and scaling.

That’s just a fact lol.

Whatever inconsistencies regarding physics that may be present that are explainable anyway

Do nothing to change that.

And let’s immensely lowball a Frieza soldier to kid Goku’s level

Even though they are infinitely faster

they’re still MHS+, or above the speed of lightning

SPARTANs can’t react to that my friend

Not like it matters cause nothing in their Arsenal can harm any Frieza Soldier to begin with

Like I said, even NOVA Bombs wouldn’t do anything to them

And like I said these are just basic soldiers.

People like Vegeta are Large Planet Level+

So they stomp harder.

Let alone Frieza who is dwarf star level+ in his first form

[humble yacht]

Ok see that is actually verifiable. Spartan reaction time has been estimated at 20 milliseconds. A lighting strike is at most a few milliseconds. So anything faster than lightning would be too fast for a spartan. Granted, we’d need a clear example of a low rank frieza grunt moving faster than lighting to compare

[barren ferry]

Lol at a lightning strike being a few milliseconds

[humble yacht]

The whole thing, yes

[barren ferry]

When that goes at Mach 1,294

Sure.

Not like it matters because the best feat so far is a SPARTAN barely dodging a beam rifle projectile

Which is only Mach 10.7

And that speed feat is rather questionable given how inconsistent it is with others

Not like it matters cause SPARTANs can’t move that fast anyways.

The highest recorded speed for them isn’t even 100 MPH

[tacit charm]

is that from the 3km/s converted to mach or is this somewhere else

[barren ferry]

And also

[tacit charm]

also yes

[barren ferry]

We don’t need Frieza force grunts moving faster than lightning

[humble yacht]

Mach 10 means 10x speed of sound

[barren ferry]

The fact they scale above kid Goku in speed

[tacit charm]

bloodlines is a bit weird regarding spartan speed

[barren ferry]

Is easily more than enough.

[tacit charm]

ik what mach is chimera

[humble yacht]

Disable pings please

Mach is a measurement relative to the speed of sound

[tacit charm]

isnt it disabled?

[humble yacht]

Like I just said

[humble yacht]

Nope

[tacit charm]

odd

[humble yacht]

You have to turn it off every time

[tacit charm]

oh

[humble yacht]

Now you did it correctly

[tacit charm]

that's annoying

anyways

you're literally telling me what ik

[barren ferry]

Also don’t see what knowing what Mach means has to do with anything

[humble yacht]

Oh I thought you said you didn’t know

[barren ferry]

But okay

[barren ferry]

Hell

Didn’t he almost die and needed cortanas help

Against a not even Mach 5 missile

[tacit charm]

i was asking this cause a. im too lazy to check rn and b. there's a speed statement for the h4 beam rifle's velocity only travelling at 3km/s

[tacit charm]

well ye kinda

[barren ferry]

The beam rifle is 3,657 m/s

[humble yacht]

Halopedia clocks beam rifle muzzle speed at just under 3.7 km/s

[tacit charm]

something like that

[barren ferry]

Still pathetic compared to what even mid dragon ball characters are capable of really

[tacit charm]

oh ye just checked it is the same feat

[barren ferry]

So no, a Frieza soldier wouldn’t be challenged at all by a SPARTAN, they could flick their finger and turn the SPARTAN to paste

Or just look at them with the intention to harm and they explode 💀

Post 1st training with Roshi Goku is a better matchup

[tacit charm]

didnt you say kid goku can lift 500 tons casually or something before

[humble yacht]

3.7 km/s seems pretty low for a particle accelerator

[barren ferry]

Not casually but he pushed it anyway

[humble yacht]

How fast do hadrons move

[barren ferry]

Albeit straining

[tacit charm]

krap particle accelerator then

[barren ferry]

I also lowballed the weight a little

According to Just a robots Goku vs Superman video

That’s actually 732 tons

And even for beginning of series Goku they’d need their armor

Without it SPARTANs straight up cannot compete with any version of Goku, period

[humble yacht]

Large hadron collider can accelerate protons to 0.99 the speed of light

[barren ferry]

At least in a close up fight

[humble yacht]

Covenant can’t even beat modern human particle physics, lol

[barren ferry]

Wow it’s almost like that’s a false equivalency given the size of both weapons

[tacit charm]

not unless they're in space and goku doesnt know where the spartan is

[barren ferry]

Uhh

[humble yacht]

Ironic talking about false equivalency when you’re comparing halo to dragon ball

[barren ferry]

How will the SPARTAN survive

Without air

[humble yacht]

Spartan suit is vacuum sealed

[barren ferry]

I specified they don’t have their armor on boyo

[tacit charm]

ye

oh

nvm

missed that part

[barren ferry]

Hang on

Can a SPARTAN without armor

Survive falling off a cliff

At terminal velocity

Straight on their head

Cause Goku did that as a baby and only got a scar

[humble yacht]

So what we learned today is that comparing halo to dbz is about as pointless as comparing halo to warhammer

[barren ferry]

Even more so actually

Unless the Spartan has an energy sword

[humble yacht]

Dbz’s rules of reality are so vastly different that any comparison loses meaning

[barren ferry]

Then he should win against a weak iteration of kid Goku

Long as he doesn’t get hit too many times

[humble yacht]

Hell, dragon ball has multiple confirmed afterlives and resurrection

[barren ferry]

Assuming energy swords are equal to lightsabers from Star Wars which can cut through things with Multi city Block level durability without issue

Which they should be

[humble yacht]

Energy sword blade design is inferior to lightsaber

[barren ferry]

Well in design

But not attack potency

[humble yacht]

If you’re just measuring blade temps then they’re probably on par

[barren ferry]

And just general destructive capacity, given the two are of similar nature they should be equal

[humble yacht]

The energy sword is more limited in how it can be swung

Because of the blade and handle construction and orientation

[barren ferry]

So assuming Goku can’t exactly tank a town level explosion in his weaker incarnations (aka what the Fat Man and Little Boy nuclear bombs are at), it should cut through him

For reference that’s about 5.8-100 Kilotons

[clear vortex]

In the unlikely moment event who would win in a fight MC or the arbiter

[barren ferry]

Could go either way

[tacit charm]

depends on mc's armour

[barren ferry]

Although if Arby has active camo

And an energy sword

[clear vortex]

Alright Both at peak physical form

[barren ferry]

He could just eviscerate Chief that way

[tacit charm]

young arbiter had trouble with jai in cole protocol

[barren ferry]

Regardless of his armor

[tacit charm]

oh wait

or are you talking about gigacahd fal arbiter

[tacit charm]

chief

[clear vortex]

Hmm

[tacit charm]

i dont think it's even close

[barren ferry]

No one but superpowered beings ever survive a direct energy sword boi

[clear vortex]

Thel

[tacit charm]

esp in regards to sheer strength

[tacit charm]

oh

lame

[clear vortex]

Yeah the elites got that kick though

Worst part of halo (besides halo 5)

[barren ferry]

Halo 2 Legendary Chief loses to all

[clear vortex]

And jackal sniper

[barren ferry]

💀

[clear vortex]

Halo infinite marine vs halo 2 LASO jackal sniper

[barren ferry]

Jackal Sniper

Ez

[clear vortex]

Easy mode marines are almost god like

I blasted one with a scorpion

[severe cosmos]

H2A chief as well?
adds scarab gun skull

[clear vortex]

And he procedes to take down some jackals and a brute

[severe cosmos]

They have too much health in my opinion.
CE easy marines are weird tho, sometimes they don’t take any damage and other times they die immediately.

[clear vortex]

For sure

[severe cosmos]

Actually, was there a difference between the Normal marines and halo wars cinematic marines other than the helmet?

[clear vortex]

I think the cinematic marines used a mix of other armors

Like army stuff

[fair hazel]

I mean forerunners. Ancestors. Etc. That does it for ear hammer

[clear vortex]

Overall they are my favorite marines

[severe cosmos]

What about healthwise tho?

[clear vortex]

Ehhhh

[fair hazel]

What do you mean normal marines?

[clear vortex]

The combat medic makes them so much better

[barren ferry]

Idk