lore-and-universe

[last anchor]

They're presumably tied into the Spartans neural interface alongside the rest of the armor.

The arm moves in synch with the armor. You don't "wear" MJLONIR, properly, you carry it, and the suit moves you rather than you moving yourself.
Well, I guess its technically both ways, but a Spartan can let the suit move them as needed (see Chief digging himself out of the sublimation avalanche on Bikos moon)

[high fern]

A question about Spartan III service tags

In Halo Reach, it shows the Spartans using tags identical to those used by the Spartan IIs; S-###. Carter’s chest plate reads S-259, but everywhere else it’s A-259?

[scarlet hinge]

just a minor inconsistency or stylisation (you choose) - the A or B denote a IIIs presence in Alpha or Beta companies

the S would just mean "Spartan"

[last anchor]

Presumably, for official purposes, the UNSC dropped the A and B to hide the fact they were S-IIIs.
Far as anyone outside of a certain circle knew, they were just Spartans, same as the IIs.
Obviously you cant have people poking around and realizing you basically swiped war orphans to turn into drug-fueled revenge powered supersoldiers

[humble yacht]

Is that just your idea or is that actually stated somewhere?

[last anchor]

Thats just what made the most sense to me. I SWORE it was in one of the breifing files from Holland when Reach came out but I may be completely wrong

[fair hazel]

Waiting for the encyclopedia to become available...

[obsidian thistle]

Big note about humanity though. We know they survive and are thriving in the 2610s. xD

Thats been a "issue" since Halo 3s Believe campaign. Amazingly stuff has remained consistent and still works.

[versed helm]

I don’t think anyones expecting humanity to die out anyways

[high fern]

Oh WOW! Thank you guys, for answering my question!

[last anchor]

Its what we're here for my man

[digital parrot]

I wonder what the genetic pool is like ngl

Hopefully not too close lmaooo

I remember one of the generals saying something about a ship carrying every human in halo 3

“Every last man women and child”

Can’t remember full quote

Lord admiral hood I believe

[gilded mason]

Think you misremembered that part. He was saying leaving to go to the Ark would leave Earth defenseless to a possible Flood threat and thus risk "every last man women and child [on Earth].”

[digital parrot]

Ooooh okay!

Thought he meant the population was low lmao

Something like that

My mistake

[gilded mason]

The population was also low, yes

In the millions

[digital parrot]

Thank god Spartans Are blood by training and not vice versa

Why was the population low again?

Was just fighting from the Covenant correct?

[gilded mason]

In the Bungie era, because of Truth's invasion killing most of the population

[digital parrot]

Ahhh okay I’m seeing earth invasion left them at 200 million

Now they are back up to 7.9 billion

[gilded mason]

Yeah, 343 didn't want to deal with a post-war where humans couldn't spring back up immediately, so they retconned that.

[digital parrot]

Gotcha gotcha

That’s a very low population to have

Now that I think about it

[gilded mason]

Indeed. The ramifications would be enormous in a post-war setting.

[digital parrot]

Especially for how futuristic the halo universe is

Having that low amount of people would be pretty wack

[last anchor]

I think they said the 200 million was Earths population right?

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[last anchor]

After the war ended it exploded because millions of refugees from glassed colonies poured in to fill the gaps.

Like Molly in Legacy of Onyx, living on that artificial island with her newparents

So that probably helps explain why it rebounded

The human population across th eentire UNSC was way higher though I think.

[gilded mason]

After the war ended it exploded because millions of refugees from glassed colonies poured in to fill the gaps.
Where were they living before?

[last anchor]

Def not below a billion

[gilded mason]

And if the pop got that low, I imagine Earth's infrastructure was just...ruined, as one of the other results of what caused that.

[last anchor]

Yeah no kidding

[gilded mason]

Definitely not something to bounce back from for probably many decades.

[versed helm]

That aspect of new lore requires some suspension of disbelief

Even with the contrived answers

Such a population collapse would take generations to rebound, not a decade.

The pouring in of refugees and the subsequent baby boom after the war makes the population growth kind of believable

But not 7.9 billion believable imo

If they scaled it back a bit or elongated Chief’s hiatus it wouldn’t really be an issue.

[gilded mason]

Yeah, Halo 4 taking place two or more decades later would make much more sense.

[versed helm]

Yeah definitely

I think it would make the Spartan 4’s portrayal in Spartan Ops more believable too

The youngest generation of age to see service wouldn’t have been alive for the human covenant war if it took place over 2 decades ago

So not everyone within the UNSC would be battle hardened veterans of the war

Or even experienced the trauma the covenant inflicted

[gilded mason]

Ye

[fair hazel]

When they’ve got advanced fabrication technology..

[near willow]

So there’s a cookbook now, what recipes do you all think will be in it?

[digital parrot]

I hate to say it

But I remember somebody’s name in here

Called

“Grunt” burgers

I would not be surprised

[near willow]

I’m rooting for the lekgolo spaghetti

[digital parrot]

Maybe chocolate chips dubbo cookies

[near willow]

Kig-yar turkey roast

[versed helm]

Sangheili scrambled eggs

Mac burgers

Terrorist fries

[dense falcon]

Insurrectionist Fries*

[near willow]

MACaroni

[stone arrow]

I would imagine there's gonna be moa burgers in there somewhere

[versed helm]

how do you throw a plasma grenade

[unique rune]

push button
throw
run away

[clear iris]

bang

aliens ded

[last anchor]

Technicaly there's a non-physical activation switch (you can see it on the in-game model, especially in Reach, its a big old glowing Covenant symbol)

[pine moat]

Did the mantle of responsibility directly help alien species advance faster?.

Can someone explain the mantle of responsibility in detail for me?

[worldly crystal]

How do you ignite a energy sword?

[versed helm]

How do i get into the books?

Is that a legit question @versed helm or was it on a roll of the one's above?

[versed helm]

Ask Tucker
(I think it just has an ignition switch somewhere like a lightsaber)

Its a legit quest

Question

Hmm you can start with Halo Fall of Reach and just roll with the original four novels (FoR, The FLood, First Strike and Ghost of Onyx - but Flood is just CE novelization), then you can pretty much follow any story you want to.

Ok thanks👍

I think they all have audiobooks if that's more of your thing too?

[lost spear]

@pine moat the mantle of responsibility was basically a principle that the forunners came up with that said that the most advanced civilization was responsible for taking care of and documenting all the species of the universe. and since the forunners were gone that mantle was passed down to humanity although I doubt they were the most advanced

[humble yacht]

Actually the precursors came up with it originally. The forerunners reinterpreted the idea of the Mantle

[lost spear]

oh, thank you

[humble yacht]

Also while certain forerunners like the Librarian intended for humanity to eventually claim the Mantle, humans have yet to do so

[pine moat]

I would like to see them eventually take the mantle

[humble yacht]

I wouldn’t

[hallow igloo]

yeah listening to them on audible right now

[pine moat]

And why is that?

[unique rune]

The Forerunner interpretation of the Mantle is just kinda… fundamentally flawed.

It’s really bad at the whole idea of sheltering life and encouraging its development because it gives a single species an incentive to suppress it all for the sake of staying on top, which is pretty much exactly what the Forerunners did.

[tacit charm]

jeez you think

[unique rune]

They preach about “guardianship for all living things” or whatever but they really just used it as an excuse to curtail ‘lesser’ species so they wouldn’t have as much competition as “those whose evolution is most complete”.

[tacit charm]

[humble yacht]

The problem with the forerunner ideal of mantle is that it inflates the ego of whatever the species who holds it

That sort of system would only work if the guardian species had zero ego and zero personal desire

[terse lava]

Yeah, the Precursor varient wasn't much better, living through multiple lives over countless millions of years from hyper advanced to primitve mud huts. Creating and erasing sapient life as you wish

[humble yacht]

Yea but at least the precursors weren’t as self serving as the forerunners

Well, the ones that didn’t eventually become flood, at least

[terse lava]

Kinda hard to say on that matter

[tacit charm]

does it really matter who does or who doesnt get the mantle since humanity is fine post 2589 stuff

[terse lava]

We have only two Precursors who apparently took actual joy in life, compared to those that became the flood and driven by revenge

@tacit charm yep it matters, just because

[tacit charm]

good ted talk

[humble yacht]

I always took the precursors that became dust as a minority of the entire population. Seems that most of the species was either killed or driven out of the galaxy

[rocky vector]

Can someone tell me about the short story of the forerunners in Halo Fractures? Like explain it to me? Like is it after Silentium? Or is this before the ur didact come back during H4?

[last anchor]

The grip has a pair of ignition "buttons" on the inside that power the sword when squeezed. Presumably some of them also operate as dead-mans switches, which is why the blade dies in CE when the users killed.

[last anchor]

It takes place after Silentium yes and far before the Ur-Didact was released.

[versed helm]

I have checked out Halo Cannons video about Will-043. He pointed out that Will was potentially the Spartan in the believe trailer. As well as the Spartan-II from Halo First Strike with the rocket launcher. Just reaching out to the community to see if any others have made this connection

[versed helm]

I thought WIll died on Onyx?

[fading radish]

Master chief died?

[versed helm]

Yeah, but before receiving the signal calling the Spartans to Onyx he served with blue team on the battle of earth. In the halo 2 A terminals we see Fred and Linda with their prototype Mark VI armor. Will was not in the cutscenes. Either a cannon hole or possibly Will?

Ah right.

Does anyone else have any ideas with this cannon hole?

I always assumed it was just propaganda as the battle happens a bit later?

At least I assume you mean the trailer from the second battle of Mombasa

Yeah, from the second battle of new Mombasa. They confirmed the trailer was cannon although not John

Hmm I'm not sure, perhaps it was him before he rejoined the rest of Blue Team.

I'd say Naomi but in my headcannon Naomi and Omega are the Spartans from Infinite Season 1 trailer

From halo cannons video they assumed it was Will but said it was John for as you said propaganda reasons. “Folks need a hero chief...” If you haven’t seen the video is a neat one. Especially since people haven’t really cared for Will in years lol

To be fair, he's dead.

Like Kurt two bad a dead Spartans.

This war indeed has too many dead Heroes

[loud kestrel]

welcome to war.

[versed helm]

One last glorious day in the United Nations Space Command

[humble yacht]

Kurt’s not dead; he’s over there!

And over there

And a little bit over there

And a big chunk right over there

[tiny anchor]

Mister cheef without a helmet

[short plank]

Would’ve been cool to see Kurt in a cutscene at least. Man was tall as heck.

[last anchor]

Spread across the several-AU distance of the internals of the Shield World.

I'd settle for some mention of his name. Im amazed we didnt hear it at all in Legacy of Onxy.
Tom, Lucy and Mendez are all inside the shield world but we didnt even hear them mention him once.
No visit to the grave sites either.

[versed helm]

I wonder if good ol Grim Reaper ONI let the graves be there.

[white trail]

69

[pastel socket]

Does anyone else have personal lore for their Spartans to make Infinite more fun

[alpine thistle]

Yes

[polar viper]

Yeah

So what exactly does firefall armor work?

We just throwing spartans out of ships without drop pods?

[versed helm]

You making it sound as if they didn't do that before

[polar viper]

Well yeah but like

I dunno

That's a tad bit wacky sounding

[valid hemlock]

i mean, it says it only removes the need for drop pods, maybe spartans and thrown out with some sort of parachute and thrusters for atmospheric insertion

[pastel socket]

Built in thrusters kinda like how everyone in Halo 5 had

I assume anyway

[pastel socket]

You should share, I think this aspect is dope ngl

[polar viper]

Or they just like

Jump

That would be kinda funny

[loud kestrel]

slime blocks on their boots to make them bounce

[polar viper]

They're just ALL ankles

[final vector]

hello

[sonic plank]

Hi,
I don't know much about the lore beyond what can be learnt through the games.

What value does the unggoy bring to the covenant? They seem useless in literally every single situation I encounter them in whilst playing the games.

[unique rune]

Most of it is just through sheer numbers. Makes for convenient cannon fodder and mass labor.

Fairly quick learners too, so they were useful in studying human communications as well.

The games always play them off as comic relief but they’re really no slouch in the wider Halo universe.

Reportedly some are capable of tearing a Spartan’s arm off.

[sonic plank]

What, that's crazy 😮 that's brute level strength I'd have guessed, at least according to how things look in game

[cobalt quiver]

Got the Encylopedia. Good stuff

[minor bluff]

meridian seems familiar, was it mentioned in lore before the tv show?

[minor bluff]

slave labor

they only fight because they proved themselves good combatants when they tried to rebel

combat is the only place they can earn respect from the other races tho, hence why they're so common as infantry

[gilded mason]

Yes. First as a one off mention in Halo Reach material, then expanded on in H2A, Hunt the Truth, Halo 5, and others.

[minor bluff]

i see

thanks

[gilded mason]

👍

[grizzled summit]

Does anyone think we will see a mention of Noble Six in the new Halo Infinite Season?

[fair hazel]

Glorious heavy big encyclopedia

How pretty you are

[gilded mason]

🤨

[fair hazel]

It’s very heavy and hard to read

Because it’s so big

[versed helm]

sus

[valid hemlock]

How beeg is it?

[fair hazel]

31x23.5x4.5 cm

Weighing 6.2 pounds

Uh

[versed helm]

Pounds? Use real words mate

[alpine thistle]

My Spartan is a lone wolf much like Noble Six, although he's trying to learn on how to adapt now that he's on a team now. He'll occasionally go off on his own to try to do things solo

[unique rune]

So that front view of the C718 Longsword... and it's description. It really is just a Longsword stuck in a blender with an F-117A, huh.

[tiny anchor]

Bri’ish?!?

[versed helm]

Bri'ish?

In my Halo chat!?!

[valid hemlock]

Oh, that's a big guy if I say so myself

[last anchor]

How the heck do you people have the encyclopedia already...

I gotta wait for my Special Edition preorder to arrive and that doesnt release for a couple more days...

[fair hazel]

Do you expect any less from me?

[last anchor]

Fair enough. They’re always a day or two late at my stores anyway

[radiant moss]

The best spartan of all time: Bubalgebra. He surpassed every test without a slightest flaw. He took out a whole banished controlled planet called nike air drip.

:))

[umbral sapphire]

hi
i'm currently finishing reading The Fall of Reach and it's great
i've also played Halo CE and i'm wondering if i should buy and read The Flood novel or just move on to First Strike
i'm guessing i should just skip The Flood for now but i'm just making sure there aren't any significant details in the book before skipping it

[hallow igloo]

i liked the flood. it adds a lot of little details to it you dont get from just the game. and the writing makes it really exiting and new. nothing significant different but it spices things up and tells the side stories like how Keyes got on the ring and how their experiences went there.

[versed helm]

Offensive and mendicant bias>> any sci fi opera

[umbral sapphire]

ah alright
yeah im definitely going to read it at some point, but right now im saving up for something else and id rather spend my money on a new part of the story, than on a different perspective

[versed helm]

What is the weirdest thing in the halo universe that is not common knowledge

[last anchor]

That last parts probably the biggest hinderance since anything weirds known by the lore nerds

[jaunty hawk]

This might be common knowledge, but grunts taste like lobster

[versed helm]

Lobster?

[jaunty hawk]

Yup

Grunts are technically crustaceans

[last anchor]

I thought you couldnt eat Unggoy cause they have methane based blood

[jaunty hawk]

Well apparently you can

[tacit charm]

covenant ships can be taken out by a megaton/s bomb but people dont know or acknowledge it because... also typical forerunner ships arent planet busters like the death star or 7 guardians

[last anchor]

You still sour that Forerunner torsion stuff works on planets too then

[versed helm]

Ok

[tacit charm]

nah

[jaunty hawk]

Imo I really liked halo 4 and 5

[tacit charm]

im just going off the description of planet busters in i think the halo visual guides and now encyclopedia

[tiny anchor]

Death Star?!?

[jade pollen]

Near the end of reach when Halsey talks about the info she and cortana took from the artifact and she says it will help humanity win the war is it ever actually stated what they found? She talks it up a lot like it’s some magic weapon but I thought it was just the coordinates of the ring in halo ce

[unique rune]

Under current canon, the discovery was some translation thing that caused Cortana to read data pulled from an artifact on Sigma Octanus IV as coordinates on a map, leading to Alpha Halo’s discovery.
Though Bungie intended for it to just be the coordinates for the ring.

[fair hazel]

Can't wait to talk about the encyclopedia in detail! It's so long

[autumn shale]

Man I'd love to get one but the shipping fee is crazy

[versed helm]

he is dead

him being alive ruins the message of sacrifice

[versed helm]

How did that Last Light AI put it

Dying is what Spartan - IIIs do best?

[versed helm]

so whats happening on the ark now that atriox and a vast amount of banished forces are on zeta? did the spirit of fire lose?

[untold wasp]

spirit of fire is still batteling some banished on the ark

in the shadows of reach book, atriox and some other banished got back from a portal on reach

[versed helm]

i see. what prompted atriox to relocate to zeta? and how did they find out about cortana?

[versed helm]

ahh i bought this book recently! cant wait to give it a read

[untold wasp]

it is good

also i am guessing he learned about zeta existance through the ark

[versed helm]

ah thats a good point. how did he learn of cortana and the created? could that also have been through the ark?

[untold wasp]

he was probably informed when he got back from the ark

[versed helm]

ah i see

[versed helm]

I have a theory. In campaign DLC they could bring back the ur didact as in the storm of the season 2 trailer it looks like the ur didacts face but instead of having the same theory as everyone else I have a different theory 343 guilty spark is still alive and has taken the form of a Promethean soldier so if the didact does return what if we so 343 return as well helping the didact as in the halo cea terminal 343 knows the iso didact and wished he had the didacts prometheans to keep him company so if he has became a soldier he could be able to assist the didact and help stop the endless just some food for thought.

Plus if he meets Chief again I don't think they would get along.

And I think guiltyspark knows about the endless as halo cea terminals show all the monitors and some forerunners in a meeting after the halos fired maybe the meeting he was in was the meeting they had in the halo infinite legendary ending

[last anchor]

Well getting his butt kicked by an ancient refit colony ship, 3 Spartans and a half-filled crew presumably didnt help. But if I had to guess he finished what he had come to the ark for and found a new target.

[last anchor]

Your theory of Spark having a body is well detailed in the books Smoke and Shadow, Renegades, and Point of Light.

[versed helm]

oh that makes since. how come he struggled with the spirit of fire, but absolutely demolished the unsc infinity?

WAIT nevermind

i forgot they ambushed the infinity my mistake

[last anchor]

They ambushed her and sacrificed 3 full scale ships to at least cripple her. We dont even know if she was destroyed.

Meanwhile, he made the mistake of underestimating the Spirit and holding his assault carrier back, leaving it open to a Spartan shock-troop infiltration

A single Spartan carrying a smart AI internally is one of the most terrifyingly effective weapons the UNSC can muster

So now the UNSC holds the high ground more or less.

Thats also partially why he returned to the Milky Way proper, since the only ship in his fleet with slipspace capabilities (or at least, powerful enough ones to handle the journy) was the carrier

[jade pollen]

Did finding the ring actually make a difference in the war? I’ve played all the games except for 4 and 5 so I’m just wondering if finding alpha halo mattered yk

[gilded mason]

In the sense that it led to Thel becoming Arbiter, and causing him and Rtas to rally the fleet of Retribution to save humanity.

Though perhaps somebody other than Thel would have rallied everyone if Thel stayed a supreme commander.

[versed helm]

Spark left the milky way though

[gilded mason]

And Iso-Didact as well. He died of old age in some far away galaxy with his wife.

[blissful robin]

Three Spartan IIs with a Prowler and a NOVA Bomb

[last anchor]

Thats to kill a planet.

[versed helm]

I meant the other didact

Ur didact

[untold wasp]

if they didn't the covenant would of probably activated it already and killed all life

[jade pollen]

Good point

[untold wasp]

or they would of kept searching since they followed the pillar of autumn to that location

after they left reach

[cobalt quiver]

Sitting down and reading through the encylopedia rn

[tiny anchor]

Paramount + said master cheef? Nah we got master cheeks

[versed helm]

I wonder if Spartan IIs ever got paid

[haughty nest]

So fireteam Raven

Whatever happened to them after the arcade game?

[polar viper]

Didn't they die on the ring?

[humble yacht]

Yep

[tropic forge]

They did. It's a minor plot point in Silent Storm that they've been banking pay since they were eight. Someone manages to figure out they're not the correct age by examining the paymaster's records.

[polar viper]

They got kersploded

[wide barn]

Is noble 6 alive still????

[last anchor]

No.

Hes been dead since 2010

[tacit charm]

if you want him to be sure

[wide barn]

Cause I mean like we never found the dead body so it makes sense that he be alive

[gilded mason]

Not really, no.

[last anchor]

Not much left of biological material after a glassing firestorm rolls over

[tacit charm]

Ado 'Ulamee killed him

[wide barn]

How about June

[tacit charm]

the month is doing fine

[gilded mason]

Jun isn't dead yet, yes.

[tacit charm]

[wide barn]

Where is he then?

[gilded mason]

Used to train Spartan IVs on a space station, but that went kablooey, so he's not doing that anymore.

[tacit charm]

allegedly

[gilded mason]

(Though I suppose he might've been there when it blew up, but probably not)

[wide barn]

Ok hmmmmmm what about the rookie is he alive and doing things and if so what is he doing

[gilded mason]

Dead

[wide barn]

How

[tacit charm]

a giant hole in his head

[wide barn]

From what

[gilded mason]

Halopedia holds immediate answers to many of your questions, as an FYI.

[tacit charm]

an aerodynamic object going at a fast enough velocity to pierce his skull

[wide barn]

Ok then…….😐

Do you think that chief will die in the next game

[gilded mason]

Hopefully.

[wide barn]

Yes

It’s been going on for too long

And finally time to stop

[tacit charm]

i mean

he's either mia, dead or unknown in 2595

[wide barn]

But there going to probally make more

[tacit charm]

would be kinda awkward to hold a funeral for someone who you know is alive

[wide barn]

Yep

Here lies Scott

[tacit charm]

here lies Ostral

🔪

[polar viper]

Why

[terse pecan]

Watch Red vs Blue they did exactly that it was amazing

[versed helm]

Who's in the other grave?

Oh that's me, I'm in the other grave.

[shut dew]

“Will chief die” has been a thing since halo 3

[tiny anchor]

Paramount + has master cheeks

[tiny anchor]

Got a warning for talking about canon naked master cheeks f this server

[main snow]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-nod-ok-master-chief-gaming-gif-17128673

Embed fail

So sad

[tiny anchor]

If you don’t want people to talk about it you shouldn’t have made it stupid 343

Paramount + halo is literally cheeks in every sense of the word

[gaunt oak]

For server moderation concerns, please message @wet locust.

[quiet bane]

[polar viper]

Mood

[shut dew]

The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement and its possible relevance in the Halo universe would be a great subject to explore

[fair hazel]

Happy halo encyclopedia day

[signal remnant]

It got delayed again apparently

Through Amazon at least

[fair hazel]

Retailer end

[last anchor]

Productions complete, the issue now is getting it to places through the still recovering mail system.
For some reason the place I preordered it from says it goes on sale April 20th...

So I guess Im getting two copies. Eh, I'll find a fellow fan and give em the standard and keep the Cylix.

[rigid coral]

Ayo orca

@last anchor

[last anchor]

Im surprised it too you this long to get here

[fair hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNx3Vqv99t0

[lavish garnet]

Guys - friend says Scarabs are made of the same wormlike structure as Hunters. Is he right?

[humble yacht]

Yes

On the Inside of scarabs are Lekgolo worms

[lavish garnet]

Thanks, I couldn’t see a lore dump for that in the usual places

[fair hazel]

It's the Rhulolekgolo which control scarabs

They have more tentacle like mouth ends

The Mgalekgolo gestalts tend to have more pincer like mouths

[loud kestrel]

whoa what?

the hell

i thought like in halo 2... they were just piloted by elites

are scarabs actual living beings in like a sort of "mech suit"?

or is it driven

i am so confused now

[rigid coral]

Worns make the scarab move

The crew guide it and fire the weapons

[fair hazel]

Now where do I begin talking about the encyclopedia...

It made me feel things, yes

[short plank]

Anything really interesting? Well…it’s all interesting but what stuck out the most?

[fair hazel]

The most?

UNSC colonies

That sci-fi feeling of exploration, of worlds, of people living, of cultures, of ways of life, of humans, of animals, plants, histories

[versed helm]

I'm honestly happy we have more stuff about precursors

[loud kestrel]

i have one of encantos songs stuck in my head, the one with the strong sister

i know its totally off topic lmao

[blissful robin]

What is a Bomb-pumped Beam Warhead?

[fair hazel]

The bomb powers the beam

I just had a theory

What if the xalanyn were the next species in line should humanity fail the mantle

[terse pecan]

is xalanyn the other name for the endless?
Also that theory actually makes sense like if humantity failed the endless would be released but since humantity didn't fail if the endless were released they would wipe out humantity but since nobody wants humantity to be wiped out thats why they contained the endless

[fair hazel]

By the precursors... not forerunners

[hallow igloo]

I would be more inclined to think the xalanyn might be a species existing the same time as the precursors and both trying to be the predominant species. The precursor's then used the forerunners to lock the xalanyn away. Maybe promising the forerunners the Mantle for doing so before finally giving it to the humans.
Maybe not even like a different species but like a separatist group of the precursors.

[loud kestrel]

They call me Cad, Bane. Pleasure doing business with you.

[fair hazel]

No roleplay

The Xalanyn were imprisoned after the firing of the halo array...

[hallow igloo]

After? Huh i did forget that. Hmmm they might still be a separatist group or opposed species to the precursor's and might wanted to take control after the precursor's where gone?

[short plank]

Hopefully we soon get DLC regarding that

Ngl I find it a little worrying that we haven’t heard anything regarding the campaign, unless I just missed it somehow

[fair hazel]

Might want to review the zalanyin private

[fair hazel]

Who wants to dsicuss the encyclopediai

[short plank]

yesss i do

how is it?

[terse lava]

@fair hazel sure, from what i have seen looks promising. Like how we know during the War if Beginnings, thr Sangheili managed to ground the keyship on suban

Gives more weight to thr war dragging into a standstill, rather than just portraying the San'Shyuum as borderline invincible

[unique rune]

Oooh, nice, finally a visual of the 'skelln.

[fair hazel]

I reaely like how Pelahsar has like the original armour thel would use

design

And it is very Banshee like, especially the more organic ones

[unique rune]

It's nice to finally have an official representation of it so I don't have to spend so much time questioning what kind of airborne predator has a shape as strange as the Banshee's.

[terse lava]

@fair hazel have not seen that one, have an image?

[fair hazel]

I do have an image. It's in the encyclopedia on page 259

It does look a bit like a flying, Killer orca, a bit

Helioskrills are cool too

[terse lava]

I..don't have the encyclopedia

[unique rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542384977875042305/963642459475304478/unknown.png

Unless you were referring to Pelahsar's armor, which pretty much does just look like Thel's H5 armor.

The implication that Jega is one of the Silent Shadow from Headhunters is... interesting.

[last anchor]

Would certainly explain where his arm and mandables went.

[fair hazel]

It's so cool how we see a lot of connections from before

OFfensive bias epitaph

[last anchor]

Who has summoned me.

Oh, a mention of the Heliosrkill.

Cool, flying Sangheili cetacean. Sweet.

[fair hazel]

Go get it

[last anchor]

I wonder if the UEG put orcas on other planets.

Just straight up made a formal appology for ruining their enviroment, put em on a ship, slammed em through slipspace and dumped em in a new ocean with a load of salmon and said "go nuts guys"

[scenic brook]

halo 5 finally is starting to make sense

🗿

[tacit charm]

shameful

[fair hazel]

The encyclopedia proves you don’t need to make an alternate timeline to tell good stories

It shows how there’s so many rich corners of the halo universe

So much room so much depth so many stories they can be told

Seeing the forerunners was so cool too

Their faces and their armours

So cool. I wish we had seen all unmasked too but it was so cool nonetheless. They’ve got amazing Armour designs

Forerunner armours are just amazing

[short plank]

Didact’s helmet 👌

[versed helm]

Forerunner stuff is amazing in general

[lusty widget]

Could someone with this new Encyclopedia tell me what it says about the population of Harvest?

[dense falcon]

Can the Halo Encyclopedia replace these other two books?

[empty patrol]

Are the Yanmee drones a hive mind?

[humble yacht]

Not like the flood

[unique rune]

They’re eusocial beings similar to ant or bee colonies

[humble yacht]

Pheromones play an important role in communication and organization

Queen pheromones trump all others

[fair hazel]

Nothing

[fair hazel]

They’re different.

[fair hazel]

Glory of a far Dawn’s helmet is amazing

I should compare the drawing I made of bornstellar to the iso didact one

Slightly Plausible , as a manipular

[short plank]

Is there anything on Stolt?

[fair hazel]

no

[short plank]

Dang.

[tame gazelle]

I'm noticing they don't mention the Logic Plague in the Encyclopedia. So that's not a thing anymore?

[coarse spoke]

what currency is that?

[valid hemlock]

No, and that's good

[tame gazelle]

Hard agree.

I don't know if the story was cryptic or I was just dumb when I was a boy, but I didn't at all understand that Mendicant Bias was a parallel to Cortana's predicament until about 30 minutes ago

[valid hemlock]

Jk, i actually don't have the encyclopedia neither the state of logic plague in halo

[tame gazelle]

D:

[valid hemlock]

My guess it was either an overlook or maybe it is mentioned within the flood section

I mean, yeah xdddd

That was the logic plague

[tame gazelle]

The Flood section of the book says the Primordial was directly messing with Mendicant Bias' head, it doesn't say there's a specific digital form of the Flood.

[valid hemlock]

He got meme'd so hard

[humble yacht]

The logic plague isn’t an actual computer virus

[valid hemlock]

Isn't it?

[humble yacht]

No

[valid hemlock]

Aw man

[tame gazelle]

Halopedia leads us down a path of ruin once again.

[humble yacht]

Halopedia says as much

[valid hemlock]

I thought it was a "click here to find a cure for the flood for FREE" kind of thing

sad

[humble yacht]

It’s a series of philosophical arguments and logical fallacies that lead to an entity either directly or indirectly serving the interests of the flood

[tame gazelle]

I understood it as a specific kind of rhetoric that--

Yeah I don't like there being a specific power to confuse someone into teaming up with you.

[valid hemlock]

I mean

It's not a power really

Influence, propaganda, etc exists in real life

[tame gazelle]

I guess I'm not objecting to the idea that Gravemind understands meme magic, but to give it a specific name makes it feel underwhelming

[valid hemlock]

Ehhhh

[tame gazelle]

"Graveminds are so smart that they can own your personal morality with facts and logic" is more fun than "Gravemind auto-wins if it connects to an AI" which is the same idea but simpler I think

It makes the universe feel small.

[valid hemlock]

To each their own i guess

And it's not like every ai is gonna fall for the logic plague

Such is the case of cortana during her staying in high charity

[tame gazelle]

That's kind of my point. I was saying to myself, "Wait, if the logic plague is a real thing, why is Cortana okay until she goes rampant?"

I didn't make the connection between what the Primordial did to Mendicant Bias and what Gravemind was doing to Cortana.

Because I thought, "Cortana isn't acting like she has a zombie virus."

[humble yacht]

It’s not a 1:1 similarity

The gravemind tortured Cortana. With MB it was more of a conversation

[tame gazelle]

That's what I'm saying.

Narratively the terminals are supposed to show what Cortana survived and how badly it could have gone, right? Like that's what the author was trying to do?

"Last time Gravemind had an important army AI at his disposal, this happened."

[humble yacht]

No

[tame gazelle]

Ah, I'm dumb. Sorry.

[dense falcon]

So the three of them have mutually exclusive information?

[dense falcon]

MXN

[tame gazelle]

I don't think the old books have any information that's not in the encyclopedia, other than like, retcons

[dense falcon]

Pins pls confirm

[fair hazel]

Logic plague is an actual thing
Also, Cortana was not fine. It's like you plant the seed, and watch it bloom, like the Ur-didact.

[fair hazel]

There's overlap but each book specializes in their own

[short plank]

Ur-Didact is an angry 100,000+ year stew

[terse lava]

Well, he was stuck in absolute silence and alone for that time, after being driven insane by the gravemind

The fact he isn't a gibbering loon on release is shocking

[humble yacht]

Cortana’s changes were never attributed to the logic plague. Certainly rampancy that may have been induced early due to the torture, but it’s not like the gravemind put the plague in her with the plan for it to present after she entered the domain

[gilded mason]

^^^^

[humble yacht]

Inb4 someone mentions that Subject Delta interview in the lootcrates

[gilded mason]

Ban anyone who does. 😌

[dense falcon]

[humble yacht]

Can’t decide if that’s a terrible idea, or a great one

[gilded mason]

Idea, the Great and Terrible

[leaden herald]

LORE

[fair hazel]

Why does it have to have a plan? Simply, leave her messed up

Sweetness in the suffering

[terse lava]

You know, makes me wonder if the victims within the gravemind can communicate with each other

[last anchor]

Hopefully enough people buy it they go for Encyclopedia 2: Face Reveal Boogaloo.

[last anchor]

Hes just that resiliant. And mad.

[humble yacht]

I think after a certain point of being in the cacophony, sense of self is lost, and only the pain remains

[terse lava]

Perhaps

[short plank]

I can sum it up:

“aaaaaaaaahhhhh”
“also aaaahhhh”

[fair hazel]

In what, ten years?

[viral robin]

Correct, The Ur-Didact, iirc, was tortured by the Gravemind when he was captured after being exiled to the Burn. While I can't find any concrete evidence that suggests he was infected with the Logic Plague, it is fact that the Gravemind did something to twist his genius into madness. The definition for the Logic Plague on Halopedia is "the techniques used by the Flood to attack and subvert intelligences through non-biological means."

While this doesn't directly state that Logic Plague only works on Artificial Intelligences, it neither states that some form of it wouldn't work on organic intelligence. Thus, I believe that the Ur-Didact was given some form of the Logic Plague, causing his mind to become twisted and full of hatred.

Apologies for the ping, forgot to turn that off

[humble yacht]

Didact already had the hatred. the gravemind elevated it to levels that ultimately led the Didact to, in his zeal to vanquish the flood and maintain forerunner supremacy, denounce the Halo array and sow discord into the Ecumene

This discord probably decreased the effectiveness of forerunner resistance against the flood, and Didact’s denouncement of the array could have led to its usage being postponed, allowing the flood to gain further traction in the war

Didact wouldn’t think he’d be helping the flood, but his actions indirectly would benefit them

[fair hazel]

Logic plague isn’t ai only thing.

[last anchor]

Hopefully in far less. Im thinking Keith Thompsons awesome "lore book" (that was really just awesome art and little else) for the Leviathan series.
Images with little blurbs of lore.

Manual of Aeronautics RULED

[fair hazel]

Whos keith thompson

[short plank]

Leviathan was an awesome book. I haven’t read it in probably 10 years…gonna have to pick that up again.

[left solar]

Anyone else think noble 6 is returning? Or at least the new season will be heavily headhunter themed? Lone wolves as the season name and the halo infinite ending cutscene suggest someone is returning. I feel like noble 6 may be returning. It was presumed he was dead. We all know that people survived the glassing of reach, his helmet didn't remain in the ship yard, he worked under oni and has intimate knowledge of many facilities on reach as shown in halo reach the game. The infinity visited reach or so I've been told between 5 and infinite. I think noble six may be returning.

Then there's energy swords. The one that is shown to kill him is one built into the armor. As we found out in halo infinite the blade master has augmented ones that are stronger and cut through mjolnir easier. Who knows how strong the wrist mounted dagger of a energy sword is that supposedly killed 6 in reach. Maybe it didn't cut through the Mjolnir

Spartans can take plasma hits even after the shield is down granted not a lot.

[humble yacht]

Noble 6 is dead

It’s more than a presumption

[versed helm]

I'd say it's closer to bet on Grey team making an appearance lol.

Alas I'm not sure if the Season 2 Spartans from the teaser have any names?

[humble yacht]

I don’t think the theme of the season suggests any previously established character is making an appearance

Noble 6 wasn’t the first lone wolf and he won’t have been the last

[versed helm]

looks at the angry cloud Perhaps

[left solar]

Everyone assumes based off a cutscene and another assumption of the blade missing due to lack of detail on things not supposed to be scene

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[humble yacht]

Actually everyone assumes because both Bungie and 343 flat out said in multiple interviews that he was dead

[left solar]

The ending cutscene though

They found something

They said noble 6

[humble yacht]

They don’t at this point, they could just be nameless mp Spartans

[versed helm]

The ending cutscene for?

[left solar]

Theres been more than one noble 6

[tacit charm]

noble 6 alongside noble team, kurt, will, james, sam, daisy, 500ish spartan 3s, theodore and johnson are hiding in a cave

[versed helm]

Figured they could always be Grey Team if 343 wants to bring back some SIIs.

[humble yacht]

Halsey was talking about Alpha Halo. That was the something they found

Also she never says “noble six” in the eulogy. She refers to him but just by saying “you”

[unique rune]

They've given names for two of them so far featuring the new armor core, Hieu Dinh and Sigrid Eklund.

[humble yacht]

Oh wow

Neat

[versed helm]

Ah so some randoms then.
Maybe they SIIIs, that would be neat.

[humble yacht]

No they’re probably SIVs

[unique rune]

Most likely S-IV, yeah. They're the pair you can see coming out from the Phantom's grav lift.

[left solar]

Maybe they will be oni assassins. Idk the name suggests something other than some random spartan 4s

[humble yacht]

Probably not oni assassins

[left solar]

Sure

Head hunters?

[humble yacht]

Based on the diy armor theme they’ve got going on, looks like Spartans who survived on zeta by hunting banished

[unique rune]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-infinite-update-march-2022

Lone Wolf Spartans are hunters. Trackers. They’re resourceful improvisers, operating deep in enemy territory without resupply or support. They’re fierce, rugged, and prefer to work alone—but they’re still loyal to the Spartan pack.

[left solar]

That's a good theory

[unique rune]

Kinda like Headhunters, maybe more akin to turning Gray Team's role into its own little organization.

[left solar]

Or black team?

[humble yacht]

Black team is dead, so

[left solar]

Yea

But similar idea

I'm saying more teams like them

[polar viper]

Yup

[versed helm]

Didn't you know? Caves never die.

[left solar]

Eh I just really want noble 6 to be alive

[versed helm]

So did I, then I realized that it would undermine his role.
Just as the death of every Spartan II.

I mean the letter books, Fall of Reach one's are kinda... yeah they could retcon some of that.

Hmm funny the Polish dub for Infinite has Jun as a female lol

[left solar]

That's all I'm saying there's always the possibility if you've read the books and the wording they use to say he's dead

They have left it open for this to be all a ruse

[versed helm]

The books are very clear that Six is dead though.

[left solar]

when?

I remember chief returning for halsey I think

[versed helm]

In New Blood Jun makes it rather clear that Six is dead

and so does about every other written source

[left solar]

June escaped before 6 died

All the sources assume he's dead.

[versed helm]

We don't know when or how Jun got off reach

[unique rune]

Bungie's intentions were very clear on the matter and 343 has upheld those intentions.

[left solar]

actually we do

[unique rune]

There is... very much no good reason to think B312 survived.

[left solar]

he climbed the space elevator

[versed helm]

besides if Noble Six lived, he'd make it to other survivors. They were broadcasting the signal for Spartans and I'm sure Six would knew it.

Where was that from?

[unique rune]

I'm pretty sure that was just Frankie joking around on social media.

Shouldn't be taken seriously.

[left solar]

Eh maybe it will get confirmed

343 seems to enjoy rewriting lore

and expanding

[humble yacht]

Fist full of arrows is non canon

How jun got off reach is currently not known

[unique rune]

Fistful of Arrows doesn’t even explain his escape from Reach, amusingly enough

[humble yacht]

And some people really want Johnson to have been turned into a Smart AI, but The Rolling Stones have something to say about that

[obsidian thistle]

Yea too many sources say Noble Six is dead.

Its weirdly one of the most locked down things in the fiction cause fans kept asking and 343i kept answering that they be dead

If they retcon that then they retcon a lotta sources now

[polar viper]

What if

Halo TV show

Noboe 6 not dead

*noble

[polar viper]

Be he just like
Walked away

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[fair hazel]

Noble six is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.
Dead
That is it. That is all. No ifs no buts.

[fair hazel]

Rewriting lore in general? No

[short plank]

His helmet would have been a neat Easter egg in campaign but I guess everyone would be like “omg he’s alive” when he clearly isn’t

[craggy sierra]

In which campaign?

[short plank]

Infinite

[viral robin]

That would break the lore.

Reach was glassed after the Pillar of Autumn left the planet and jumped into slipspace to Installation 04.

[humble yacht]

Someone would have had to pick up his helmet on reach in 2552, hold into it and then taken it to zeta halo years later. Then take it back to reach in 2589 and put it in the exact same spot they took it from

[short plank]

I mean…we have a giant sandwich being worshipped by grunts and a picture of a Brute that gets killed 5 seconds after leaving his drop pod. I’m not saying it would be lore for his helmet to show up there. Just a fun little thing making fun of the cave theory.

Heck, there’s a giant underground cave to the “east” of an island that it would fit perfectly in

[fair hazel]

But like you said it would probably lead to annoying

[short plank]

Would be a nice break from the usual on r/halo I suppose

[humble yacht]

Probably because those other fun non canon Easter eggs aren’t taken seriously by anyone

And also those are totally ancillary to canon events

[valid hemlock]

His fanbase is pretty passionate, y'know?

[loud kestrel]

what if...

he lived?

maybe he discovered an underground base and survived the initial glassing only to fly off planet later on

[dense falcon]

Considering a very deep underground vault from a bank wouldn't survive a glassing beam, I doubt it

He ded

[loud kestrel]

yeah i know its extremely unlikely he survived in any way whatsoever, and that 343 says hes dead, just.. gotta keep hoping for noble six

[gilded mason]

gotta keep hoping for noble six
Why?

[versed helm]

Didn't they literally do that in Shadows of Reach though?

[loud kestrel]

because hes awesome?

[empty nimbus]

I’ve been wondering for a while but why do alot of forerunner ancillas or even the engineers not know what happened to the forerunners and that they activated the halos?

[versed helm]

The local milita had plenty of stuff taken out of UNSC bunkers that survived the glassing

[gilded mason]

🤔

[valid hemlock]

Nah, he's dead

[loud kestrel]

did noble six even survive that energy sword to the chest?

at least?

for a little bit before the glassing came

[gilded mason]

Absolutely not.

[loud kestrel]

sad

poor guy joined the best team at the wrong time

[tacit charm]

if you want sure

[humble yacht]

He wasn’t even that interesting as a character

[tidal fossil]

did any of the sabre pilots survive operation uppercut?

[digital parrot]

How deep does a planet glassing beam get?

That’s my question

[loud kestrel]

thats a good question

uh sir chimera, can u answer that? u know stuff lmao

[tacit charm]

that depends on how long and what ship is glasssing the surface of a specific area

encyclopedia interestingly gives a hundred meter deep crater line

and silent storm has cov ships only be able to glass a few square km at a time

[dense falcon]

Square km means surface, not depth

[unique rune]

I would imagine no. Doesn't seem like Bungie intended for any other personnel to survive any of the boarding action, otherwise Jorge wouldn't have had to be the one to stay behind and arm the slipspace drive.

[loud kestrel]

jorge wouldve done it anyways

hes got the biggest heart

[unique rune]

I mean, no, if there were unaugmented personnel still remaining I'm fairly certain he'd recognize it'd be better for him not to unnecessarily die.

He's sentimental but not a moron.

[loud kestrel]

just cause hes more capable in a fight, he doesnt let it go to his head

him and marines still stand on fairly equal ground, he'd value their lives too

[unique rune]

Recognizing that he can make a greater contribution to a battle isn't "letting it go to his head".

He even says to B312 that they would need every last Spartan in this fight.

He wouldn't be doing it out of ego, he'd be doing it out of pragmatism and a desire to continue to contributing to the defense of his homeworld.

Pretty sure any surviving pilots would know that too.

[loud kestrel]

of course not out of ego

he doesnt have one

[unique rune]

...Then what does "he doesnt let it go to his head" have anything to do with it.

That pretty much explicitly refers to someone's ego.

[loud kestrel]

but i don't think he would want the marines to die is my point, so if he could help it, it would end up with him dying and not them

if the world didnt depend on him anyways

(i know ur gonna argue with that last line, i know the fate of humanity isnt in jorges hands)

[unique rune]

I mean, obviously, I don't think he'd want anyone to die if he had the option, but getting himself killed alongside other UNSC personnel isn't going to help anyone.

[loud kestrel]

he played a big role in the battle of reach tho

like what would we ever do without him on noble team, all the other guys are so damn crazy they cant communicate like humans around civilians

[humble yacht]

glassing beams mostly effect surface, top soil, probably not getting so deep to reach bedrock. Reach had intact underground tunnels and it is possible to remove the glass to expose fresh earth again

[last anchor]

Takes a LOT of juice to burn that deep, especially through something like bedrock.

Plasma isnt free you know.

[fair hazel]

Jorge did have a wish to die fighting though

[ebon coyote]

quick question...do we know anything about the current conditions on REACH?? last i heard the brutes had a foothold on "our fortress in the stars" and blue team staged some kind of operation or other but thats all i can find on halopedia

[fair hazel]

The created probably dealt with any remaining brutes on Reach if they haven't evacuated, the colonists are on reach

[humble yacht]

Colonists and some Spartans who didn’t make it back to infinity in time

[ebon coyote]

oh okay

so those who weren't able to be evacuated to Infinity before she jumped to Zeta Halo?? are stranded and presumably living on REACH

if i remember correctly some of the planet was glassed but not all correct??

[humble yacht]

The planet was glassed but deglassing and reterraforming procedures had begun

Humans were already living on reach trying to fix it before the Banished showed up

[ebon coyote]

oh okay

[fair hazel]

Feldokra is so beautiful

It’s magnificent. Hopefully one day we’ll set foot on it

Or swim

[last anchor]

I wish to slog through its waters with rifle in hand like a Jeager

[last anchor]

Said colonists gave the Banished quite the drubbing to use the British term, with Blue Team and Infinity help.

[dawn lance]

Hey I have a question I am very confused about. HALO CRYPTUM SPOILERS AHEAD. ||So i just finished reading Halo: Cryptum and I am very confused. It is said that the master builder killed the Ur, Didact but the Ur, didact is alive in halo 4, how is he alive?||

[fair hazel]

Read the next book

[dawn lance]

I am 150 pages into primordium. Does it explain it?

[fair hazel]

Oh wait I meant the other one after

🙂

[dawn lance]

Silentium?

[fair hazel]

Yesss

[dawn lance]

Alright. It’s probably going to be a little bit until I get to it but thanks!

[dawn lance]

New question. It is said that the precursors were WAY beyond forerunners I terms of technology. But to me the forerunners are at the best technology I could ever imagine what made the precursors better?

[fair hazel]

Neural physics

[fair hazel]

The encyclopedia so good

[tacit charm]

i didnt say it was depth just throwing it out there

also the symbol on kholo was around two elites or something along those lines in height though im not sure if that was from the edge or was the overall height

[tacit charm]

space magic

also forerunners are that great tech wise when comparing to other fiction so there's that

heck by feats the most potent forerunner feat is yeeting stars in an unknown amount of time and overall process (ik encyclo has planet busters being able to yeet stars now but again in an unknown amount of time and ships)

[versed helm]

Wow we finally have some art for Lucy

And Tom still ain't there lol

[versed helm]

Ah nevermind, Tom has art too

In Halo, does the Spartan laser have splash damages? It's not a rifle, right? Then, why is it called a nonlinear rifle?

[fair hazel]

Rifle can refer to a lot of stuff

[versed helm]

Master Builder VS didact??????

Whats with the Iso and Ur didact? are they the same or the old and new type?

[tacit charm]

one was born the other wasnt

[severe cosmos]

Hello there
I don’t know if there was an official answer yo this question, but why are most of the human made guns we see in the games (MA40,MA5,BR75, ect) are bulpup based? Its always confused me so i thought i would ask about it here.

[unique rune]

I believe the intention behind it has to do with primarily being around UNSC Navy/Marine Corps. Bullpups can be built more compact while still retaining barrel length, making them easier to handle in cramped quarters on something like a warship. At least in theory.

But also probably because Bungie thought bullpups seemed futuristic without being too futuristic.

[valid hemlock]

Plus, who doesn't love a good ol' bullpup?

[ebon coyote]

Brandon Herrera lol

[shut dew]

Should Cortuna be canon

[valid hemlock]

It is canon

[last anchor]

Note how the VK78 Commando is a standard position rifle with the magazine in front of the trigger, interestingly

Also, the encylopedia mentions that using the scope on the Commando makes it go to semi-auto...did anyone notice that in game? I never fire it full auto anyway so

[humble yacht]

It fires full auto when scoped

[last anchor]

Guess the encylopedia must be using the older version.

That was in the trailer I think, the OG 2020 one

[humble yacht]

Well we also have to consider that the guns can canonically have fire modes not present in the game

Like how the BRs have single fire mode in a halo 3 cutscene

[severe cosmos]

funny how I forgot the VK78 when its the most common gun i use…

[last anchor]

See I thought that might be the case, but none of the entrys mention the fact the BR can be fired full auto.

Just weirdness I guess. Who knows.

[lost cliff]

Can the Didact beat the Gravemind?

[dreamy patio]

Short answer no

So guys I was wondering

Could species such as the humans, forerunners, prophets, and maybe brutes have a common ancestor? The encyclopedia states that the forerunners were seeded 15 million years ago on ghibalb. This suggests that they were specifically engineered by the precursors, as 15m isn’t a long enough period of time for basic life to evolve to that level of complexity. Forerunners and prophets share similar facial features, and their lack of a proper nose could be explained by the possibility that they descended from non-hominid primates. In the original trilogy the forerunners were planned to be humans, and as of H2A, the cure canon depiction of the prophets look extremely similar to images of the isodidact and other such forerunners. Additionally, the sanghieli and dazreme (a new shark-like species revealed by the encyclopedia to be a member of the fringe) as well as to a lesser extent the xalanyn share similar facial, neck, and muscular features, further suggesting that the precursors could have simply seeded worlds with the equivalent of prepackaged life. What are your thoughts?

[gilded mason]

Humans and Forerunners are confirmed to have a common ancestor, at least.

[dreamy patio]

That’s cool

What about the elites and the shark dudes

[gilded mason]

Unknown

[ionic bough]

In Halo Lore/Legends, are there multiple variations of ODST armor? Because I have taken a look at some ODST cosplayers, action figures, and art images, and from all of them, I often see very specific differing pieces/depictions of their armor.

[gilded mason]

are there multiple variations of ODST armor?
Yup

[ionic bough]

Do you know what they are and which roles they serve?

[gilded mason]

https://www.halopedia.org/ODST_armor

[ionic bough]

ODST are Marines as well??? I thought they were like on the lines of being a unit in the UNSC Army...

[gilded mason]

Yup, they're marine special forces.

[ionic bough]

I thought they were just like UNSC versions of Airborne.

[ionic bough]

It looks like it was patched from unofficial random images that fitted some of the descriptions of the role.

And still leaves out some variants/versions that I have managed to identify.

[gilded mason]

Oh?

[ionic bough]

I can go into detail(s) about all the little things I managed to identify with ODST armors, if you want.

[gilded mason]

Sure

[ionic bough]

Well, the first main armor variation is kind of bulky, and has a straight box armoring located at the bottom waist, attached to the crotch protector metal plating flap. The markings on this variation is casual (ranks, unit colors, custom colors, etc). It is the most commonly seen one. Some of these "standard" versions might have small difference(s) from each other (mostly helmet modifications).

The next one is similar, but the lower waist platings are replaced by two thin plates (front and back), held by a utility belt, giving the "vibes" of a stripped down more mobile look. It most likely is a lighter assault variant/scout variant.

And in some depictions, is heavily stripped down, missing the shoulder pads and leggings/thigh armaments.

But it mostly still has the same helmet/equipment "standards" as the other one.

[gilded mason]

Do you have images of these unrecorded variants?

[ionic bough]

First one I mentioned you can find by simply looking up a regular ODST (preferably the live action ones from the ODST commercial).

[gilded mason]

Yeah, that one's on the page already

[ionic bough]

The second variation, you can find by looking up the Halo Reach Series 5 Mongoose set (Yes, I myself have this set), and as well can see it via by some art depictions and cosplays.

However, some cosplays/art depictions show the utility belt having full pouches.

And the stand alone McFarlane ODST jet trooper is a branching of the variation from the McFarlane Mongoose set, only having additional pouches on certain areas.

[gilded mason]

Ah, toy versions?

[ionic bough]

Aye, but art depictions and some cosplays as well follow it.

[gilded mason]

Fanart or official art?

[ionic bough]

Think both, but mostly fan art.

[gilded mason]

Well, if you see the official art of that again, be sure to link it.

[ionic bough]

Will do.

https://www.google.com/search?q=official+halo+art+odst&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1nb2R7Zf3AhWWX80KHRLGDLQQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1525&bih=687&dpr=0.9#imgrc=dArZxH_v24cIpM

Art variation of the stripped down "two plated bottom waist" armor. ^

And apparently, these variations almost always have fully gloved hands, unlike the classic fingerless gloved ones.

[gilded mason]

That's a concept for an Army Falcon Pilot

http://www.isaachannaford.com/2011/05/civilians-and-marines.html

[ionic bough]

Oh, my bad. Looked very similar to the version of ODST armor I was describing.

[last anchor]

UNSC Airborne is its own thing presumably.

That being said with how big the UNSC is...

[versed helm]

Yeah it is apperantly

[hot oak]

I was always canon

[dapper hound]

I absolutely love the Greg Bear forerunner lore

[haughty nest]

What happened to Halsey after halo 5?

[humble yacht]

She told blue team to go to reach and collect some stuff for her

[haughty nest]

Ah ok

[severe cosmos]

Did they succeed though?

[valid hemlock]

Nah, master chief was killed and a flash clone is what we see on halo infinite

[haughty nest]

😂

[severe cosmos]

If only it were true…😂

[untold wasp]

no, they instead decided that they would live forever on reach with noble six in a cave

[severe cosmos]

this is why i like the lore chat!

[leaden herald]

Wait guys u know adjantent resolution?

In halo infinite

[gilded mason]

What about him?

[leaden herald]

Well u also know in halo 3 when guilty spark blew up as well?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[leaden herald]

Well apparently according the 343i’s actual lore guilty spark survives the explosion

[gilded mason]

Yes. Known for a decade now.

[leaden herald]

So I’m guessing that’s why adjutant resolution is in halo infinite. Bc i think Adjantent resolution is actually 343 guilty spark, considering the looks of adjutant resolution

[gilded mason]

Uh

We know what Guilty Spark has been up to already

And Adjutant Resolution doesn't share the same look as Spark or the rest of the standard monitors

[unique rune]

Adjutant Resolution was also only activated following Despondent Pyre's... incapacitation.

[leaden herald]

And how is 343 Guilty Spark on Zeta Halo? Well meanly bc despondent pyre and the banished search the room where they plew guilty spark

[gilded mason]

Have you actually read Guilty Spark's Halopedia page?

[leaden herald]

No

[gilded mason]

You, uh, should probably do that before making these kinds of theories

[unique rune]

Yeah, uh, none of this tracks if you've actually followed where Spark's story has been for the past couple years.

[leaden herald]

K

But is guilty spark still alive?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[leaden herald]

Damn

[gilded mason]

His story has been progressing for the past decade

[last anchor]

Im pretty sure this guy dropped something simlar a few days ago and I told him to go read the Ace of Spades Trilogy

[leaden herald]

Tbh in halo wars 1 when the arbiter died and then saw the arbiter in halo 2 i was all HUH?! Until I realised that halo wars one was actaully the first halo by lore time

[last anchor]

Yes. We also knew that from the moment the game started cause it says 20 years before the Halo Event

[leaden herald]

So this technically means there are multiple arbiters

Am I correct

[valid hemlock]

In some way, yes

[gilded mason]

The fact that there has been a line of Arbiters was known since they were introduced in Halo 2, yes.

[valid hemlock]

There is a vast history of past arbiters that came before Thel vadam

[unique rune]

Yeah, uh, the whole idea of the Arbiter was introduced with the "each created and consumed in a time of great need" line.

[gilded mason]

^^^^^

[leaden herald]

LETS GO!!!!!

[gilded mason]

???

[valid hemlock]

Consistency, lets go(?

[gilded mason]

Why are you so excited?

[leaden herald]

Bc the only halo games I have are 5 and infinite

[gilded mason]

Oh. You should really get MCC or something

[leaden herald]

Nah I already like my halo infinite

[gilded mason]

As in, so you can play Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Reach, and Halo 4.

All the games that came before 5 and Infinite, story-wise

[leaden herald]

Tbh I already saw reviews on it

And the campaigns have been spoiled for me so nah, not that excited about that

[gilded mason]

🤨

[leaden herald]

By the YouTubers

[unique rune]

This sounds like a very poor way to experience the games' storylines.

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[leaden herald]

Well at least I got to see them suffer Halo 2 legendary

So I won’t have to cry or break my controller

[last anchor]

I mean playing through on normal is fine too...

You miss important stuff in the background if your trying too hard not to die

[thin yew]

We've seen the first Arbiter already in The Duel in Halo: Legends; Ripa 'Moramee in Halo Wars was the 17th.

[gilded mason]

We've seen the first Arbiter already in The Duel in Halo: Legends
That isn't the first Arbiter, as an aside

[severe cosmos]

Random (stupid) question, i got some of the mega blocks figures for infinite a while back, but what does hyperius have to do with it?( I haven’t bought the campaign yet, but spoilers are accepted)

[gilded mason]

Just the Arbiter that made the title a shameful one

[gilded mason]

He's one of Escharum's Spartan Killers. So he's just some guy good at killing spartans.

[thin yew]

Oh yeah, forgot about that, my bad.

[severe cosmos]

Ok so thats why…
Thanks!

[drowsy elk]

Bro is it just me or like the elites armour in halo 3 and halo 2 anniversary looking so good🥵?

[versed helm]

not halo 3 they look wack and trash

halo 2 and halo reach are the best

[obtuse igloo]

Tbh I agree but the elites in infinite look sick if you put on thunderstorm and don’t play on easy

[worldly crystal]

I like the reach elites the most

[ionic bough]

Arbriter is a role for the chosen Heretic of the Covenant.

[ionic bough]

If he did his research, he is fine. But if he never did and only knows the basic sum of it, he might need to play it.

[worldly crystal]

Screw that, he needs to play it, full stop

[terse lava]

The originals do have a better story compared to infinite

[thorny bolt]

the new elites make me hope that playable elites come back

[terse lava]

Maybe one day hopefully thoufh I've waited for that for a decade now

[plush magnet]

Anyone know if the Halo 2 Anniversary Edition Lord Hood is based on an actor? (I know it isn't Ron Perlman). He looks so familiar to me, I just can't seem to place his face

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/5/5f/H2A_LordHood.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20140610005726

Link for reference

[copper mica]

I can't say for sure, as I can't find any info on who might have done mocap or if they just animated his face that well, but if I had to say if he was based on an actor is it Robert? Duvall?

Yeah Robert duvall he looks alot like

[leaden herald]

Hey wat r u doin at 2am

[ionic bough]

CST, lad.

[leaden herald]

Oh

Well it’s 7am in AEDT

[ionic bough]

Ah. It is 4:27 PM for me.

[leaden herald]

Noice

[severe cosmos]

40:7 here
Wait…

Does anyone know what vehicles planned to be in infinite?
I heard the 6x6 warthog was but I wasn’t sure.

[leaden herald]

I heard there is a skiff vehicle that 343 are texturing

[versed helm]

Is black team dead ?

Last I heard they fought the didact

[gilded mason]

Yup

[severe cosmos]

Didact killed them

[outer axle]

there’s also a banished revenant looking vehicle you can see broken down in the open world. I wonder if that will make it into the main game

[severe cosmos]

I think thats skiff parts?
But a new revenant would be nice to have.

[ebon coyote]

bro at this point i have absolutely no hope in infinite...i mean im sorry if that offends anyone

like i was hoping beyond hope and praying and seeing as how almost nothing (excluding multiplayer lol cuz im sure PLENTY has changed there) has really changed

[dense falcon]

If you're gonna write a rant, put it in #483759756566069258

[ebon coyote]

sorry

my apologies

im good i just had to get it out lol

my original purpose for coming here was to ask about Tom and Lucy...im watching titanic and all of a sudden i remember tom and lucy served as spartan instructors once upon a time...but leonidas destroyed the base so...i mean did tom and lucy get off??

[dense falcon]

Tom and Lucy are stuck in a slipspace bubble in Onyx until further notice development of their story.

For more information, read the book "Halo: Legacy of Onyx"

[ebon coyote]

so onyx is back in slipsspace?? i mean thats one way to dodge a bullet or 3 lol

i mean ill probably stop by the library tomorrow and catch up...cuz i USED to have a few novels downloaded...but i lost them...so RIP me lol

thank you for your help though

🫂

[minor solstice]

you really ought to experience them for yourself. Those are golden games and considered the standard by many

[leaden herald]

true

[plush magnet]

Nope, I was thinking of Madison Mason. He was in a movie called Thirteen Days and played Admiral George Anderson

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a73i3BDY6RU/WUfp9Q9R8SI/AAAAAAAIlrE/M1Fz_6fVYFgqfRYi5dgjqiyNgQQIiT70wCLcBGAs/s1600/018%2BMadison%2BMason%2Bas%2BGeorge%2BW.%2BAnderson%2BJr..jpg

Was driving me nuts

[copper mica]

Aah I do see the resemblance yea

[plush magnet]

Eerily similar but it doesn’t seem like he did motion capture for it. Maybe I’ll try and ping an anniversary edition dev on Twitter and ask. May just be a huge coincidence though

[versed helm]

Pls 343 pls… expand the lore by giving subtle details about the pre cursers on terminals and cutscenes or a glimpse of the domain plssss

[shut dew]

"Little Johnny gone missing, those darn Precursors might've got to him!!!"

• [Forerunner with incredibly important sounding name]

[misty valve]

so what is the lore about halo

Like the actual ring

[humble yacht]

It was built to neutralize the flood

[minor solstice]

built to neutralize their food. The rings don't kill flood, they kill it's food.

[gilded mason]

It kills Flood forms as well.

[humble yacht]

Yep

Cortana’s description from CE is out of date

[digital parrot]

Do we still have some alien races in cylixes?

Like that haven’t reseeded any planets yet?

Like humans or elites still in cryosleep?

[dawn knot]

I mean

There was a flood infection form in a cylix

[terse lava]

@digital parrot we see multiple covenant species, alongside humans, still kept within cylixes

[digital parrot]

In comics and such?

And books?

[gilded mason]

In Infinite itself

[digital parrot]

So they are alive, in a sense. They just haven’t been reseeded to their planets?

I know infinites ring they used it for flood experiments

[last anchor]

Presumably kept as failsafes in case parts of the reseeding didnt work.

Always good to have backups

[gilded mason]

Indeed

Though I wonder how aware they are

[last anchor]

If I had to guess, probably no more aware than a Cryptum containee

Probably not even that.

Theyre locked in time and space in a slipspace pod more or less, right?
They'd probably be like the S-IIIs in Onyx, the ones in the pods

[terse lava]

Would say they are, from their own POV, asleep

[last anchor]

I'd say so. Or as close to it as they can be.

Probably like how normal humans expereince cryostasis

[versed helm]

Damn it i can’t find ghost of onyx on our local online shopping store 😔

[vernal gust]

And so Amazon descends like a demigod...

Or ODST.

[half apex]

there were around at least a hundred known sentient species that the forerunners catalogued, a fraction of which we’ve seen

we haven’t even explored the entirety of the galaxy yet

[tacit charm]

i mean

we know there are quadrillions of beings in the milky way

allegedly

[humble yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/allegedly-michael-jackson-south-park-not-true-thats-what-i-heard-gif-20334482

[tacit charm]

so unless the cov number in the hundreds of trillions or take up 99% of the supposed quadrillions there's certainly alot more species out there

[terse lava]

Depends on how many gained sentientence and sapientence since the array fired as well

[versed helm]

Hmm I started reading fractures.
Is Tom saying Jun was from Beta company an mistake?

[humble yacht]

Probably

[last anchor]

Im sure they'll correct it at some point

[agile zodiac]

Does anyone else find it hilarious that Sergeants in the Halo Universe are just godlike characters.

I.E. Sergeant Forge, Sergeant Johnson, Sergeant Buck.

[tacit charm]

johnson was anything but that post ce and first strike

[agile zodiac]

I'd disagree. Highly.

[tacit charm]

i mean

he gives one or two cool lines

[agile zodiac]

From jacking the scarab in H2 to going out of his way to help Chief and Arby fire the ring above the Ark?

[tacit charm]

pilots pelicans

and keeps getting captured

[tacit charm]

he jacked the scarab after getting saved by the arbiter

[agile zodiac]

And that diminishes him how?

Anyways, then you have a dude like Sergeant Forge

[tacit charm]

makes him less of a bad as and more of a damsel in distress tbh

[agile zodiac]

Sergeant Forge did a lot of crap in a very short time.

And they still have the opportunity to have him do a comeback if they want to throw 343 guilty spark under the bus.

[tacit charm]

i mean he went out with one big as miniature supernova bang

[agile zodiac]

And Buck is just god knows where during Infinite

[tacit charm]

johnson gets yeeted by a light bulb

[agile zodiac]

Would be great to see him reappear

[tacit charm]

actually

in the same game the man gets captured twice (he almost dooms the galaxy with the second capture), runs away from a few drones, only pilots pelicans (and a frigate at one point which is cool)

[agile zodiac]

Yeah, but also unbeatable odds

[tacit charm]

i dont see how piloting pelicans is facing unbeatable odds

the other thing he does is give cool pep talks i guess

[agile zodiac]

Yeah, you're trolling lol.

[tacit charm]

am i though

play h3 again

besides the last mission does he really do anything special

also kinda the same for h2, man gives cool speeches (then bails), gets captured by the brutes, pilots pelicans and only does one cool thing at the end of the game after being freed by the main protagonist i.e arbiter

[versed helm]

It's funny since the OG idea for HW2 had Forge survive.

Maybe one day they let Rion find the Spirit of Fire lmao

[tacit charm]

that would have been chad for the guy

[dense falcon]

After reading all the books, that's the perfect ending that resides in my mind

Can't wait to see what happens

[versed helm]

Yes I am curious if she gets to meet them at some part, finally, because the third book clearly leaves a lot of threads to be finished.
Alas it will certainly take a while for us to get a sequel.

Maybe have her chat with good ol Jerome.

[untold wasp]

where is rion currently

haven't read point of light

[versed helm]

She was recovering on some planet with Little Bit, outside of Created jurisdiction.
Her crew is stuck on some planet blasted by a Guardian and Spark became monitor of the Bastion installation.

[loud kestrel]

but forge is dead

which is sad

i loved his character

[tacit charm]

forge is chad

man just easily tackles an 8ft tall brute to the ground

and wins the fight

[loud kestrel]

"Oh I know what the ladies like 🙂 proceeds to whip out a big chaingun"

[tacit charm]

and bail from the fight

[loud kestrel]

lmao i just love that cutscene in h2

[tacit charm]

i like johnson scenes dont get me wrong

but calling him a bad as post ce/fs is idk kind of exaggerating it a bit

[loud kestrel]

is rion cutters daughter?

i havent read the books but i have read a lot of halopedia articles

[tacit charm]

forge

[loud kestrel]

cutters another awesome character

hes like the dream captain