lore-and-universe

[craggy sierra]

It's the first Halo book. It's mostly regarded on that status alone. It's a fine read but it can be dry at times and is before the series really found its concrete footing. The books do tend to get more interesting as the universe goes on and becomes better understood by writers.

[cedar steppe]

Ahh, interesting. I never knew it was the first EXU book. I’m quite exited to read it, because I loved reach’s story and this takes place in the same battle.

[craggy sierra]

It pre-dated Halo CE by like 2 weeks in terms of release dates

[native gale]

Honestly, my favorite series was the forerunner saga. I loved the insight into the forerunner-flood-human war and how the iso-didact was created. It also has details on the origin of 343 guilty spark and the Halo installations, as well as a little bit about the precursors (pre-flood) and the librarian. It's also written beautifully

[versed helm]

I saw Halo on roblox

Alternate halo world in Roblox parallel univers

[terse lava]

The forerunner books were pretty good, I am only dissapointed we never got a ground side battle between the forerunners and flood in them

[low whale]

yeah same

and the 343 set up never got a good payoff in the [title i can't remember] books

with forge's daughter

[terse lava]

Point of Light was thr last one on the Rion Forge series. From what I have heard it seems like an adequate conclusion for Spark

[low whale]

it just felt like a very small story to wrap it up in

to me at least

maybe it'll be better on my reread

[dense maple]

no

[low whale]

yes? gen1 includes marks 4-7

gen2 is what the spartan IVs wear

[granite violet]

Gen 3 looks the best imo

[dense maple]

What. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Ok

[vital heron]

Who do the marines have a romance with in halo infinite

[terse lava]

Huh?

[tacit charm]

the elites

including Ado ulmaee

[valid hemlock]

Gotta finish infinite on legendary 50 times to get the secret ending of an elite and a marine having a wedding in zeta halo's sunset

[low whale]

Me

[terse lava]

@tacit charm shame on you

[tacit charm]

[autumn shale]

Linda is best girl

[vital heron]

😈

[native gale]

Tbh, I think the lack of fighting is okay. The whole point of the saga wasn't a story of the war, it was more about the forerunner political architecture and the policy making behind the halo installations and the didact. Although it would have been cool to have a battle, it would draw from the main topic of the halos, their creation, and the didact (the iso and the ur didact). The rich plot about the flood capturing a halo ring and the formation of the gravemind is the best part

[versed helm]

Are the SPARTAN-IIs really weaker than elites?

[humble yacht]

Out of mjolnir? Think so

[unique rune]

I’m pretty sure some Sangheili are even stronger than S-IIs in-armor.
Though on average they’re supposed to be about equal.

[gilded mason]

Yeh

[humble yacht]

Well iirc sangheili combat harnesses do provide some level of strength enhancement to them (at least the modern models, not sure about old arbiter armor)

That being said, seems like Spartans avoid getting into fisticuffs as much as possible and prefer to eliminate elites at range. But if they did have to get up close then I imagine their neural augmentations would give them reaction time advantage

[gilded mason]

Then again, some amount of Elites also have pretty insane reaction times as well

[humble yacht]

True but I doubt they have “bullet time” levels of reaction

I don’t think elite neurotransmission has been quantified as much as Spartans, so it’s not like we can compare numbers directly

[gilded mason]

Only one sample at the moment, but it was basically deflecting 25 plasma/needle rounds per second with a sword for a period of time.

[humble yacht]

Yea but any time I’ve seen an elite do that, they basically just hold the sword up and block. It’s not like they were slicing each plasma bolt before it reached them

[gilded mason]

It was specificied he was doing the latter

[humble yacht]

I’ll give them credit for the initial reaction tho to bring up the sword in response to incoming fire

[gilded mason]

Because the rounds were coming from every single direction

[humble yacht]

That sounds like some anime crap, Ngl

[gilded mason]

Hey, comparable to Spartan feats, eh?

[humble yacht]

No

I’d say that exceeds

[gilded mason]

If it helps, it was Rtas.

[humble yacht]

Doesn’t help

[gilded mason]

lol

[vernal zealot]

hemlo

[paper hedge]

Hello Spartan, finally Vale got a novel! Do I need to read something for understand the plot of Outcast?

[untold wasp]

wdym

[gilded mason]

You'll get better context by also readin' Silent Storm and then Oblivion, I imagine.

[paper hedge]

Why does my username is on japanese? Lmao that's so weird

[vernal zealot]

how are you guys doing rn?

[paper hedge]

Does feature Val?

[humble yacht]

Vale has been in a novel before, btw

Hunters In The Dark

[gilded mason]

Yup

[paper hedge]

Which one

[humble yacht]

Read up

[low whale]

hunters in the dark I think

at a guess

shot in the dark

[paper hedge]

Does she the main protagonist or secondary?

[humble yacht]

She’s a main character

[gilded mason]

No. But they feature other things relevant to Outcasts.

[vernal zealot]

Vale was raised by the sangheili, right?

[gilded mason]

...No?

[low whale]

no?

idk where you got that

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[low whale]

she was a diplomat and worked with them a lot

[humble yacht]

She was not raised by Dinos, no

[low whale]

but was born very much during the war

[vernal zealot]

oof my bad for tagging

[humble yacht]

She studied their language and culture

[vernal zealot]

oh okay I understand

maybe I read that wrong in the Halopedia

[humble yacht]

Probably

[vernal zealot]

Vale, by far is my 2nd favorite female Spartan in the Halo Universe

1st is Kelly btw

[paper hedge]

Hunters in the dark feature Vale yes or no?

[paper hedge]

I like you.
To me is Kat.

[vernal zealot]

I dunno why Halo fans seem to hate Halo 5

[gilded mason]

That has been confirmed several times?

[vernal zealot]

and the cutest giggle as well xD

[paper hedge]

Chimera30 said Vale is in hunters in the dark, but ostral said no. I'm confused

[vernal zealot]

do you know which website can I read Halo books?

[gilded mason]

I did not say that

[vernal zealot]

I never read any Halo books before because I was only pursuing the whole lore through the game

[paper hedge]

I hate when people say that about Kat, like, make her look like a wh0-+)-_$$ c'mon, she was second in command.

[paper hedge]

.

[gilded mason]

If you check the conversation, you'll see I'm responding to you asking if she's in Silent Storm and Oblivion

[humble yacht]

roblox death noise

[paper hedge]

Bruh I was tricked, bought Halo reach novel, hoping for read something about Kat...got nothing. L

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[paper hedge]

It was misread it

[vernal zealot]

ooF

[paper hedge]

And I agree with the bot. No need to say it.

[paper hedge]

In those novels she's the main protagonist?

[gilded mason]

...

You literally quoted me saying she's not in Silent Storm and Oblivion

[humble yacht]

Reading comprehension must have been removed from schools 😔

[paper hedge]

Oh

Either way, I'll Google it

[fair hazel]

Canon fodder!

[humble yacht]

Silent storm and Oblivion are both Master Chief stories

Literally. It’s the subline in the title

[fair hazel]

No one seems to have linked it yet so, might as well

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/canon-fodder-of-protocols-and-prisons

[paper hedge]

No, my question was: Which novels does Vale is main protagonist?

[humble yacht]

Hunters in the dark

[gilded mason]

Hunters in the Dark, as said

[paper hedge]

Outcast and HID

Right got it

Does Kat has a novel?

Outcast is coming until October....

[humble yacht]

No

[paper hedge]

That 'no' is for my Kat question or Vale new novel?

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[humble yacht]

Kat

[vernal zealot]

cool background

might be cool as a phone wallpaper

I swear The Arbiter from Halo 5 kinda looks like an owl from The Legend of the Guadians movie

[paper hedge]

Wait why did I get that warning message? I just replied to someone

[vernal zealot]

yeah me too

[paper hedge]

Unless Chimera is mod. But I haven't been here in months...

[humble yacht]

_>

[untold wasp]

he isn't a mod, he is a moderator

[gilded mason]

...lol

[paper hedge]

Nvm feel weird. By everyone. Off to read more about Kat and Vale 😍

[vernal zealot]

this is the only time I chatted in here yet im getting my first warning xD

[vernal zealot]

dayumm you really love them both, huh?

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

I see you're a Spartan of culture as well

[tacit charm]

outside of Mjolnir and anything below mark 6 sure, anything higher and that elite is just going to have a hard time

[loud kestrel]

are we talking overall combat effectiveness or melee combat no weapons?

like just physical strength

[tacit charm]

physical strength

but even in combat gg dealing with spartan time

unless you're that one meter taller than chief elite in first strike fighting an exhausted john

gg with spartan time

[gilded mason]

I talked about Rtas having something like Spartan Time just above. 😩

[tacit charm]

hmmmmm

[terse lava]

Yeah we do see him match blows with the Prelate in SOI

[orchid creek]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MASTER CHIEF!!

[terse lava]

Keeping up with him as well, alongside Vale in HiTD being carried by Usze, mentioning how everything is passing in a blur as he runs full speed

[orchid creek]

[vernal zealot]

What do you mean by "Spartan Time"?

[gilded mason]

Super reflexes/reaction time

[vernal zealot]

oh

I thought something different mb

[unique rune]

they can see faster

[tacit charm]

depending how you read it they might be able to dodge bullets as well which is umm ok

[loud kestrel]

its a glitch in the matrix

[terse lava]

@gilded mason Mr 'Vadamee, welcome back. We missed you."

[gilded mason]

H2A was way after Landfall

And they had fur in H2C as well, anyway

[terse lava]

The Jiralhanae?@gilded mason

[gilded mason]

Yeah

He deleted his comment that I was responding to

[terse lava]

Ah ok

[austere merlin]

Apologies if this was already discussed but I have a question…
I just finished collecting all the Spartan audio logs from Infinite and something doesn’t add up in regards to the cover art for Rubicon Protocol. On the cover we see 3 Spartans that in Halopedia are identified as Horvath, Stone and Kovan. Assuming the three work together in the novel’s story it wouldn’t fit the timeline of events in the audio logs. Horvath was alone on Zeta Halo from dates 12/13/2559-5/26/2560 according to the time stamps in the logs but Stone was found dead by Chief and was presumed to have died in late April 2560 so how can the two be working together in the book??? Either that’s not Spartan Stone on the cover and the book takes place after the events of Infinite or it predates the game expanding on the story of the audio logs and Horvath has his own chapters in the book where he’s surviving alone with no contact with the other Spartans.

What do you all think?

[gilded mason]

The cover might not be a canonical "event", just showing the feel of the book.

[scarlet hinge]

are you saying there isn't a bit in halo envoy where everyone gets mashed up into a series of abstract colours and text

[unique rune]

that was my favorite part of Envoy

[austere merlin]

I hope that’s what it is.

[gilded mason]

Unfortunately not. 😩

[cinder sluice]

What shoe size is master chief

[unique rune]

at least 2

[humble yacht]

2 to the tenth power

[loud kestrel]

size 16

must be

bet hes got some massive feet

[sour geode]

Something that adds up to 7

[grand river]

Bruh, that's 1024

[gaunt oak]

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[low whale]

yeah, in a cave

[stuck star]

Jun is the only one who survived reach because he’s the only one who wanted to and no one can change my mind

[fast falcon]

Kat’s death doesn’t follow that logic

The other I can buy them all making a sacrifice play and choosing to die on the planet, but Kat just got offed casually by a sniper

[stuck star]

I agree

Everyone else didn’t want to. Jorge wanted to go down in history saving his home planet, in the mission Pillar of Autumn Carter was literally suicidal and Emile was originally meant to stay on reach with the Mac gun, whereas Noble 6 wanted to finish what the rest of Noble team started and stay behind on reach to save the Pillar of Autumn. But Jun, the guy climbed a space elevator to get off reach so I think that says a lot

[fast falcon]

There’s also the fact he was ordered to go elsewhere and they didn’t know the exact parameters of the mission anyways

[near tide]

All of the others wanted to live, but their duty outweighed their self preservation

Carter died after being badly wounded by enemies

Emile took an energy sword through the chest

He would’ve died anyway

[versed helm]

What kind of ungodly ship did the Banished get their hands on to completely destroy the infinity in 4 minutes?

[digital parrot]

Do plasma swords give off radiation at a measurable level that could be harmful to a normal human?

Just thought of this for some reason

And vice versa if it does, does the Spartans armor protect them from said radiation?

[unique rune]

I mean, they pretty much just had four Dreadnoughts ramming right into it.

[near tide]

The enemy swords cauterize and more or less destroy any organs they skim

[digital parrot]

But they are plasma right? So if they are they would have to give off radiation

I know that they “fry” the person it’s used on

[versed helm]

Yeah but the infinity had a state of the art shield and hull. Banished got their hands on some pretty beefy ships ig. Spirit of Fire got lucky there was only one CCS cruiser present at the Ark.

[tacit charm]

it was cas carrier not ccs

[versed helm]

🗿

[tacit charm]

honestly

from what we have

either the infinity's shields were completely down for some reason or that first banished ship literally rammed the infinity at the speed of light

or maybe it's both who knows

[digital parrot]

Or at least energy in their own spectrum

[versed helm]

The reason why the SoH was able to survive was thanks to the distance between the CAS and the Phoenix to the Ark, which was a close one in spacial naval terms. If the CAS missed one round, say a torpedo, travelled to the Ark's surface and blew all the way through ( which is more than possible ) it would have similar results to what later Isabel did.

Which is likely why the Banished started taking down the ship with Banshees.

And the fact that Atriox wanted to know how the ship arrived to the Ark, knowing that the Banished were the only ones that had the proper location of the Ark and were capable of arriving to it.

Perhaps he wanted to board it, wipe down the crew, interrogate some of them, get all the data.

Also yes, Dreadnaughts are very beefy ships.

Look at their front in a detailed way, they're made to ram and crush with high velocity.

I would love to see what weaponry it carries on.

[tacit charm]

idk how exactly you would miss a two and half kilometre long titanium space gun floating around in the near vacuum of space with either a plasma torpedo, cannon or energy projector, i mean you must have some really horrendous crewmates and gunners if that was the case. not to mention the ark literally took a crash landing from high charity (an unknown speed but that's kind of irrelevant since it would obviously still have to move more than 1m/s but whatever). honestly i just think maybe atriox did want to keep the ship intact a bit to either interrogate the crew or extract some data or there's a chance big monke just chocky (you know the word)

[versed helm]

Can you not say it

[tacit charm]

chocky without the h?

[versed helm]

Yes

[tacit charm]

idk

[versed helm]

Cocky

[tacit charm]

hmmmm

[versed helm]

💀

[tacit charm]

ye this server's rules are just weird

[tacit charm]

i forgot to note the cas and giga chad sof werent even that far from each other

[versed helm]

Agreed and were missing some of the most important parts!!! There's no server suggestions or memes section in this DISCORD

[tacit charm]

memes are too adult

[versed helm]

So what I'm hearing is no memes? ;-;

Not even SFW???

[tacit charm]

nah too adult

i literally got muted/banned for saying the name of a halo shield world

[near tide]

Which one

[tacit charm]

i got a third mute which resulted in a ban

[loud kestrel]

dm me the name

[sour geode]

Dm me the name because now I’m curious

[versed helm]

Do we have a count on the current brute population numbers after Doisac was blown to smithereens by Cortana?

[tacit charm]

pretty sure it was in double digit billions

though that info came from some stuff for h3

think it was 10 billion+

[sour geode]

Unfortunately no

[tacit charm]

;-;

oh wait

i read that wrong

<10ish billion

[spiral forge]

Dumb apes got what they deserved

[versed helm]

With the direction 343 is taking the brutes in lore I think it’s pretty clear that they’re not all dumb, thoughtless apes like the caricatures they were portrayed as in 2 & especially 3.

Brutal & aggressive, but not thoughtless or emotionless.

Which is a good direction

Makes them more interesting to me and I can actually empathize with their struggles

[craggy sierra]

...they clearly weren't like that in 2.

[spiral forge]

Haha dum monke go boom

[craggy sierra]

It's literally part of their lore since two that they had built their own nuclear weapons. You kinda need concepts like physics to be able to do that.

[versed helm]

Besides Tartarus we don’t really get much characterization for the brutes besides big mean apes. The only brute dialogue I remember outside of Tartarus’ are brutes talking about wanting to eat Thel’s flesh

[spiral forge]

Stupid monke want banana

[versed helm]

Plus unless you read outside material stuff like the Brutes being able to industrialize without the covenant isn’t really something you’ll infer from what the games show you

[terse lava]

Really the main problem is that we see them like the Fallout game series. Primitves, savages, beastial, not what they were before

[versed helm]

Now I’m just imagining brutes in lab coats wearing eyeglasses

[sour geode]

Is the ma40 technically part of the MA5 line of assault rifles or not?

[fast falcon]

Tbf we only see the militarized portions of the Brutes in the games, as with all the other alien races, rather than any civilian industries they may possess on their homeworld

Thinking about it, I understand why we wouldn’t see much of a civilian side of any of the alien races, but it is a little sad that we really never get to see it any of the games

[round kiln]

Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone happened to have a physical copy of the Halo: Evolutions book, the Gallery Books 2019 edition. If anyone does, a bit of a weird question really, but is the cover and back of the book a different material from other books? I feel the one on Evolutions is like a glossy material kind, and other volumes as The Fall of Reach and Ghosts Of Onyx are quite different, like rougher and not glossy at all.

[loud kestrel]

🍌 🐒

[thin yew]

It's part of the MA line, just like the MA5's are

[stone arrow]

I think it might just be the UNSC Army designation for another MA5 variant, since the MA37 was just the Army designation for one of the earlier versions of the MA5

Why Halo Infinite uses an Army designation instead of a Navy one like all the other games (except Reach), I'm not sure

[sour geode]

But is it also part of the ma5 subfamily of rifles?

[fleet blade]

Was Captain Laskey’s pelican shot down onto the halo ring or was it fully destroyed?

[humble yacht]

We don’t know

[valid hemlock]

he's on schrodinger's cave, we don't know if he's alive or dead hidden on a cave

[versed helm]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s directing UNSC operations somewhere on the ring

[ocean sluice]

dm

[visual hinge]

Is it known how many worlds the Covenant has?

[terse lava]

@visual hinge Warfleet mentions High Charity "gorged on the wealth of hundreds of worlds" and that their doman covered "thousands of star systems." The Covenant was large enough that High Chairty could lose contact with domains and sub sectors for decades, only to rediscover them later

[visual hinge]

So around a few thousand star ststems and hundreds of planets.

Not as big as I expected.

[terse lava]

It is known they would leave a world alone unless relics or other resources were there. With how old though the Covenant is, it was likely still quite vast

Has been odd thoufh they have never given a definite number or population either way

[tacit charm]

all things considered seems kind of reasonable to me (much more reasonable than when someone on reddit stated the covenant had 100,000 warships)

[terse lava]

@tacit charm one hundred thousand?

[tacit charm]

ye

[gilded mason]

I imagine they have a lot more than hundreds, since the Elites even about 2500 years ago had almost 100 colonies

[tacit charm]

someone on reddit tried to claim the cov had or would realistically have 100,000 warships and my brain went extra smooth

[terse lava]

Its also not counting things like orbital stations and whatnot

Hm, much of a covie fan boy i am, I am unsure they'd have that many

@gilded mason over 3400 years ago

[gilded mason]

Whoops, forgot a whole millennia lmao

[terse lava]

@gilded mason your only path now is death...or Arbiter

[gilded mason]

Arbiter... 🥺

[tacit charm]

choose death

more honourable

[gilded mason]

Luckily, honor isn't everything. 😌

[versed helm]

Not even the galactic empire has 100,000 star destroyers

It’s more in the 25,000 range

Doubt covies would have any more than that

Have any covie civilian ships been referenced/depicted in lore?

We only really see their warships in the games

[terse lava]

@versed helm the lich, some small cargo ships thr size of pelicans, technically perhaps the CRS, as its considered a police cutter by covenant standards

[versed helm]

Interesting

I remember reading a while back on the halo wiki that some wealthy prophets owned luxury CAS ships.

[terse lava]

I dont recall that ever on the wiki, they were just a favored warship they liked to travel on

Simply safer

Personally I find it amusing that the lich is considered a civlian vessel, that really only gained more military use in thr post war Era

[near tide]

Using legends numbers perhaps

[last anchor]

Or faster and more comfortable, like the Pious Inquisitor

[last anchor]

Do freightors count?

[versed helm]

Sure

[terse lava]

@last anchor true, the Pious is a good example

[last anchor]

Then we've seen plenty of freighters. Plus privately owned "Merchant ships" the Kig-Yar use for piratical work.

I would doubt they have 100,000 warships, but having 100,000 military aquirable ships is entirely possible. Just take a look at the Spires of Giving under High Charity; that whole mess is a single massive docking facility

Supples gotta get to places SOMEHOW

[versed helm]

That’s true

[pale zenith]

blue team dlc whennn

[versed helm]

I guess Locke is dead or Mia in infinite

[restive oak]

I hope he’s the first option

Terrible character

[fast falcon]

I hope the opposite. I think he’s kinda neat and they can do more with the character, it’s just 5 kinda hampered him a lot

Plus I don’t like the idea of the series just killing off a character like him in between games casually

[versed helm]

I’d rather have his character wrapped up in the games then a throwaway novel or off screen. Halo Infinite’s still has a lot of loose threads to tie up from Halo 5 including team Osiris and the Swords of Sanghelios.

[unique rune]

Ah, yes, my favorite response to less well-received characters, the classic "bungo kill pls".

[fast falcon]

Killing off characters solely based on fan reaction is just a terrible move in general imo

[versed helm]

Agreed

Infinite felt a bit too reactionary in that sense

[last anchor]

Because heaven forbid we let characters grow.

[shut dew]

Halo is the worst offender in gaming to do this ngl

Imagine if characters like the Ubersmeik 5 got killed off in a diary entry just because people found the elf woman with the bow and arrow annoying

[fast falcon]

I don’t know who Ubersmeik 5 is

[shut dew]

Main protagonists of the Vermintide series

It's a fun L4D-style hack-n-slash

[solid lion]

how does the brute shot work.

[unique rune]

Unexplained alien gun magic

[solid lion]

do you just slap a button and it shoots?

[last anchor]

To be fair, thats pretty grimdark.

Fits for Warhammer

[last anchor]

Presumably the "wheel" in the center is some form of crank lever firing system, and you twist it to fire each grenade. It seems to fit rather comfortably into a Brutes hands so.

[pale zenith]

Id freak if there’s Locke dlc

Showing him fight and lose his

Gen2 armor

Barely escape

[static ginkgo]

Been wondering this for a while, but how come we've never had Eric Nylund return as an author?

[haughty nest]

So what cannon books/comics are there for infinite?

Because I’m making a timeline

[untold wasp]

rubicon protocol is coming this year

also audio logs are good too

[craggy sierra]

Most writers have only stuck around for like 3 books tops.

[stark hinge]

So, how do Sangheili age actually work snd how does it compare to human age? Like I heard some people say Sangheili at 60 yrs old are young for them compared to the latter being old for them

Or I'm just schizo

[untold wasp]

they just live longer than humans

[stark hinge]

But is an elite at 60 years considered young to their race while a man in his 60's considered old?

[untold wasp]

jul mdama was considered young

[haughty nest]

Well if they live for 120 years or something 60 would be like 50 for us

[untold wasp]

and he was 69 (nice) years old

[haughty nest]

Let’s go

[stark hinge]

Pog

[stark hinge]

Ohh

Thanks

Needed to clear my mind

[untold wasp]

i think there was one elite who lived 200

[haughty nest]

Yeah lol

[haughty nest]

Yeah here’s another example so an elite being 60 is like us being 30ish or something along those lines

[stark hinge]

Well that's something

[haughty nest]

Yeah lol

[untold wasp]

i don't think they age faster

[haughty nest]

It’s like how grogu in Star Wars is 50 years old but classed as a baby

And how his species live centuries

Species age differently

Some live hours some live centuries

[versed helm]

Elites are fit for duty when they're at the ages of 60 to 70 according to the halopedia

Not really sure how long they live up to, but the life expectancy in 100,000 for elites are 27 years, also from halopedia

[gilded mason]

Yeah, we don't really have an upper limit on their lifespan in the modern era yet.

[untold wasp]

that was pre halo array

[last anchor]

It makes sense they live longer than humans, they're reptilian (so they probably grow slightly slower) and have two hearts and redundant internal systems.

[versed helm]

Do we know anything about Brute lifespans?

[versed helm]

How does the arbiter armor compare to mjolnir?

[gilded mason]

Unknown

[versed helm]

It certainly looks ancient so I’d say not that good but 1 it’s covenant who knows and 2 I don’t think it’s ever specified

[versed helm]

I’d say it’s less advanced than at least Mark 6 and beyond. It’s stated by R’tas to be less advanced than modern standard issue elite combat harnesses, and even modern covenant combat harnesses don’t seem as efficient or versatile as Mjolnir.

@versed helm

[versed helm]

Ty

Np

[gilded mason]

Modern low-rank harnesses, in any case.

[gritty gazelle]

Best tactician in halo your opinion and explain why.

[gilded mason]

Me, because me.

[gritty gazelle]

Makes sense

[versed helm]

Chips Duboo because do you know who he is?

[gritty gazelle]

I do

[versed helm]

And that’s the reason why

[tacit charm]

Ado 'Ulamee because Ado 'Ulamee

[gritty gazelle]

Valid point

[terse lava]

@tacit charm truly, no equal

[loud kestrel]

ive... never heard of it

[loud kestrel]

idk, but i assume jacob and miranda keyes are among the best considering they survived so well, i know jacob died, but he survived for awhile against overpowering odds

[craggy sierra]

Miranda like died within months of assuming a commanding role

Because she had the giga brain idea to crash a pelican through a window

Idk

I think that apple fell pretty far from the tree and got a bit bruised on the way down

[gritty gazelle]

Dang 💀

[loud kestrel]

lmao

didnt know that bit

u know i thought she was still alive??

during halo 5 times even

or halo 4

[versed helm]

Is there a canonical reason for the master chief’s armor change in between halo 3 and 4?

[tacit charm]

nanomachines, son. They harden in response to physical trauma.

[versed helm]

Ah

Thank you

When I first played the campaign I thought he should have looked almost identical to halo 3 chief until after infinity

[tacit charm]

people question chief's armour

[versed helm]

Then he’d upgrade or something

[last anchor]

It would have, but Cortana mentions "reworking the firmware" during his time in cryosleep

[tacit charm]

but they dont question how fud grew to half as big as the unsc infinity

[last anchor]

Its the same suit, but Cortana messed with it. Presumably using the cryopods internal medical suite to manouver and adjust stuff as need be.

[versed helm]

Oh I haven’t actually played the campaign in forever

[tacit charm]

[versed helm]

Ah

[gilded mason]

But didn't feel like fixing the huge gash in the chest

[last anchor]

Presumably she didnt have any external titanium-a replacements.

Its technically a cosmetic dent so.

[gilded mason]

Everything else was replaced

[last anchor]

I personally think she DID fix it, and then Cheif just dented it AGAIN because he crashed into Requiem.

So the dent isnt there until AFTER you wake up in Mission 2

[tacit charm]

have you seen the ship

[versed helm]

She just ran out and had to farm some more but her cobblestone generator was broken

[versed helm]

Good theory

[gilded mason]

I personally just go with "It actually does look like his H3 armor but doesn't appear so due to game constraints"

[last anchor]

MJLONIR Titanium-A and spaceplate titanium-A isnt the same mixture

That works too, see; the random post-war logos on everything

[tacit charm]

man's busy enough to grow the fud and change every weapon design but didnt have enough materials to fix one tiny dent

[last anchor]

Or the BR85, which should probably be a BR55HB

[tacit charm]

[unique rune]

Nanomachines aside, did people have these debates of "why him armor difrent" when the gloves and things changed between 2 and 3?

[versed helm]

I also always thought for the first mission it should have been halo 3 weapons but they were probably some prototypes on the forward unto dawn

[gilded mason]

Nanomachines aside, did people have these debates of "why him armor difrent" when the gloves and things changed between 2 and 3?
I remember some threads about it

[last anchor]

Not too many. Lot of people assumed he just got upgraded by the corpseman.

[versed helm]

The Who?

[last anchor]

The medic guy who checked you over and unlocks your armor

[versed helm]

Oh

[craggy sierra]

What? Miranda? You literally see her die on screen in Halo 3.

She got several spikes shot into her spine.

[loud kestrel]

i forget that part

the only recent playthroughs ive made are 2 and 3

i mean 1 and 2

not 3

the beginning few missions ive done, like up to tsavo highway

while ive done all of the campaigns, i dont actually remember since the last time i did them were around the time of halo 4's release

[terse lava]

Halo 2's campaign is still pretty enjoyable

[thin yew]

It's basically Nanomachines™️, but 95% of it is just "artistic change"

[thin yew]

I mean, the Halo Array was about to be activated. She crashed in and bought the Chief some time with her sacrifice.

[last anchor]

Lot of people seem to forget that.

That couple of seconds between when Johnson activated it and when Chief arrived was probably just enough to stop the warm up proper

[craggy sierra]

So when time was of the essence, she left the commanding chair of her frigate that was armed with mac canons and nukes, ran all the way to the other end of the ship, fueled up a pelican, and then left on her own without even taking a squad of marines or ODSTs for backup?

Like...there's literally not only a dozen different things she could've done so that she lived, but they also would've been faster.

There was basically no reason to carry an on-foot engagement to truth.

Like literally, what she did was the worst possible decision imaginable so I'll give bungie credit. This does seem like the expected tactics of someone who earlier in the story said "to war" when requested a rally point for evacuation.

[pale zenith]

Staten didn’t write those parts

Right?

[wind ruin]

Halo was originally code named monkey nuts and blam

[obsidian thistle]

Its first name was also Armor

With its trademark being listed on 24th September, 1997. (So Halo is 25 this year in a purely technical level)

[native gale]

So Halo is 25 this year
I mean, the concept is 25 years old, but the franchise itself as we know it is 20. Before it was an fps for the Xbox, it was going to be a third person shooter for the original play station. Halo was released in late 2001 making that it's "birthday". An idea under production doesn't really count as a final product. However, when it officially became Halo As We Know It is up to personal discretion. I personally say it's when it was released, others say when it shifted from a 3p to a 1p shooter, others say when Bungie bought the rights to the concept. It all goes down to what you want it to be.

[obsidian thistle]

"in a purely technical level" is a key part of my statement aha

:)

Its just a fun factiod anyhow that very few people know cause its very seldom shown or stated.

[native gale]

I'm not saying that isn't cool but I'm just saying that technical is the wrong words to use. Technically halo is 20 because it was released in late 01. The concept is technically 25. The game itself is 20. However it is cool that the concept of Halo as we know it is a quarter century old

BTW just saw your pfp. That is awesome.

[unique rune]

As far as we know, Staten barely wrote Halo 3. If I recall correctly he was only really available towards the end of the process to try to do some cleanup.

[north cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-tipsy-thursday-text-floating-gif-24576068

[pale zenith]

Ya it seems like he was needed

Like fr big cringe moments in H3

Maybe he was busy with destiny stuf

My guess is

He thought after h2 the story was finished

Left it to others to wrap up

[unique rune]

Nah, story goes that he had an argument with Marcus Lehto over something regarding H3 which led to him taking a break from the game’s development. Went on to help develop extended universe stuff like Halo Wars and the planned Halo movie.

[pale zenith]

Marcus lehto clearly a downgrade

[loud kestrel]

all of them are

halo 4 and 5 may not be the most widely loved halos lmao, but they make up for it gameplay wise, i just love all the movement mechanics in them

[turbid lintel]

Just had someone claim the Halo novels are just 'fanfiction' because they aren't games

[loud kestrel]

hm

hmmmmm

HMMHMMMMM

[turbid lintel]

it's rough to watch it happen

[terse lava]

Thats cute

[fair hazel]

Halo 4 has an amazing story

[versed helm]

ehhhhhh

[craggy sierra]

I feel like I probably know this person in question

[untold wasp]

[turbid lintel]

That's unfortunate

[loud kestrel]

lmao

[past lichen]

the endless are just forerunners but from another dimension.

igh good night

[tacit charm]

in bungie's pov they might as well be

[versed helm]

Ehhhhhh

[fair hazel]

?

[versed helm]

Didact was an underwhelming villain that was taken out of the picture far too soon and the story relied slightly too much on exposition for my taste. It was alright story wise ig.

I still think Halo 2 is better written but Halo 4 is in the upper echelon of halo game stories even if that isn’t a very high bar

[terse lava]

It had possibilities, had 343 actually stayed to theirboriginal vision

Rather than just "contain" the Ur Didact in a comic. Should have kept him as the main antagonist for their new series

[fair hazel]

Didact is a great villain and character, amazing voice and presence

[frosty swan]

I wish they made his death in the games.

[fair hazel]

He’s not dead

[native gale]

I think the "finishing this fight" moment made it pretty clear that there was to be another game.

[pseudo bison]

Were the precurors multidimesional?

[versed helm]

He may aswell be

Because he's never coming back

I still think halo 5 would have been better if warden eternal was just a digital didact since warden is bigger and creepier then other Prometheans and has the same orange colour scheme that didact used because Prometheans were blue at the begging of halo 4 untill the didact turns them orange.....

It would have made more sense

But 343 can't write a good story the last good one was halo 4 HEY 343 PRO TIP IF I HAVE TO BUY A COMIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS THEN ITS A BAD STORY!

[tacit charm]

their star roads can shed multiversal residue

dont ask me specifics cause quite frankly i have no clue what that actually means aside from the namesake

[pseudo bison]

Lmao fair

danke

[versed helm]

Yeah and sometimes my pea is clear so what

[tacit charm]

pea?

[versed helm]

I can't say bad word or daddy 343 will mute me

So yes pea

A instead of e

[tacit charm]

k

good to know

[versed helm]

Look just egnore the timeless they didnt exsist untill halo infinite and just like the didact they won't exsist after there done with the original game they showed up in

Halo infinite 10 years my but1

[tacit charm]

what are you on about?

star road stuff's from the forerunner trilogy

[versed helm]

Don't worry I had 2 many funny gummies

An yes ik

Just saying both of the developers 343 and bungie just made stuff up....... atleast bugie was good at it pouty face

Also I love how halo infinite couldn't have happened

Just because of the opening cut scene

On board the infinity when chief gets thrown off his grapple hits the ships sheild... therefore if the sheild is up the banished couldn't have gotten onboard 🤣

[frosty swan]

I hate the WoW storytelling for that same reason. If I have to watch or read something else not present in game, it's terrible writing and planning within the game.

[versed helm]

Thank you another human that was born with more then two Brain cells....I thought we were going the way of the dinosaurs.....

[frosty swan]

Had that same feeling when I read your comment. Swear to God, so sick of it.

[native gale]

I tracked it totally fine, but it is true that it was formatted differently than the holy trilogy. Maybe just the new formula threw you off? Some food for thought, maybe it was fine for a reboot. The classic formula just lost it's appeal, the end of h3 made that clear. Although the reboot wasn't what done people wanted, I think it ended up being better for the franchise. In my opinion, after H2, it was hard to deliver something great with the same formula. I liked the new approach with infinite

[narrow lake]

Idk if there's an answer to this, but is there a canon reason why Spartans don't have spartan abilities like H5 did? I don't mind them going g away but it feels inconsistent to me that the UNSC just scrapped them when it made Spartans more mobile and powerful

[unique rune]

GEN3 armor just doesn’t have the full suite of integrated thrusters carried over from GEN2. Doesn’t seem like there’s been any real canonical explanation for it.

[tacit charm]

gen 3 has gigachad strength multiplier

[humble yacht]

Well I always took it as just because we don’t see it used doesn’t mean it’s not there

It does appear to have vents on the back pack that could provide thrust if needed

[turbid lintel]

except some people from Bungie wrote some of them...

[versed helm]

Am I allowed to input my own Fanon lore?

[tacit charm]

shows halo reach

they did not give a crap about the book despite that book being the first official halo stuff released/sold to the public

hmmm

i can say crap

interesting

[tacit charm]

if you want sure

[turbid lintel]

just because something was retconned doesn't make published books by established authors 'fanfiction'

this guy was saying ALL books are just fanficiton because they aren't gaems

[tacit charm]

i said in bungie's pov

not saying that they are actually fanfic

also og fall of reach just outright had contradictions between events/lore

[turbid lintel]

bungie collaborated on and even had staff write some of the books

[tacit charm]

ik they had people like joseph stathen write their own series of unfortunate events

but when halo reach came around bungie just didnt give a crap about the continuity of one old as book

hence we have iirc two re releases of fall

[haughty nest]

So is halo legends cannon?

Or is it like Star Wars visions where it’s just a non cannon take on halo by different studios

[humble yacht]

Yes, except for Odd One Out

However while events may be canon, the artistic depictions are not necessarily canon

[haughty nest]

Of like how certain vehicles look you mean?

[humble yacht]

More like

How Halsey looks in The Package

[haughty nest]

Ah right

Fair enough

[gilded mason]

Or Elites having hair or being in literal Japan

[haughty nest]

I see

[humble yacht]

Or female spartan armor having high heels

[gilded mason]

And breastplate

[haughty nest]

Yeah little things like that

Cheers guys I was just confused as to it’s cannonisity

Are the designs of the flood cannon?

[gilded mason]

I don't think there were any flood cannons in Legends
Pretty sure all the flood designs were taken from the games, as far as I know.

[haughty nest]

Well in the first thing it’s literally about the flood outbreak and the fore runners

[gilded mason]

The crossed out text was a joke that it's "canon", not "cannon" that fires stuff.

[haughty nest]

Right

Oh

Right

Just got the joke lol

[humble yacht]

Flood are polymorphous to begin with so there isn’t necessarily only one canonical design

Their forms change based on their host

[haughty nest]

True

[terse lava]

Would say the closest we have for a "true" original flood look, would be the tentacles around the head of pure forms and the h2A gravemind.

[arctic lotus]

Why does the Halo Encyclopedia say the halo rings affect sapient life? I thought it affected sentient life? I believe there is quite a difference. Could it just be a spelling error or new lore?

[terse lava]

It kills anything that can think, or even has as simple as a primitive spinal cord(known as a natochord)

The only thing that can survive are plants/moss/algae and bacteria really

[arctic lotus]

Right, that’s what I thought too. But doesn’t this new Sapien definition mean the only higher functioning minds would be destroyed? I know it doesn’t make sense that’s why I’m worried about it.

[terse lava]

No, its including anything

As Spark said in CE, "which means that any organism of sufficient mass and cognitive capability is a potential vector."

[gilded mason]

Where'd ya see that Encyclopedia image, anyway?

[arctic lotus]

But Sparks says sentient life this new definition says sapient?

[terse lava]

Sapient is above sentient, the halo pulse would kill both

[arctic lotus]

I’m in a halo Mysteries discord and we share books 🥰 I wish I could post the picture here. I could maybe try sending you the picture I saved in a DM if you’d like.

[gilded mason]

Sure

[terse lava]

Wait wait

This is the new one you mean?

[arctic lotus]

I see. I understood them to be separate. Quoting my google search results. “The key difference between sentient and sapient is the type of intelligence developed by individuals. Sentient intelligence is developed through emotions and sensations, while sapient intelligence is developed through knowledge and wisdom.”

[terse lava]

Pretty much

Animals are sentient, humans are sapient. A dog can not reason like a human

[gilded mason]

He's saying the Pedia apparently only specifies the higher order "sapient life" being killed instead of it also including the lower order "sentient life".

[terse lava]

Well it would simply be wrong @gilded mason

[gilded mason]

Ye

Just a word error on the author

[terse lava]

Yesh

[arctic lotus]

So it is a spelling error? F in the chats 343. Almost pulled a fast one.

[terse lava]

Though I'd say technically, a halo pulse could be tuned to only affect sapient life

[arctic lotus]

Haha I’m glad im not crazy. I thought I had just miss understood this whole time. I felt foolish.

[terse lava]

We know from Bornstellar's dad in Cryptum that he designed them with the ability to change it

[arctic lotus]

I suppose but the what I was sourcing was a segment of history. So theatrically that’s what 343 thinks happened at the end of the forerunner-flood war. Messed up

[terse lava]

I wouldn't say that, just a pure typo on the author's part

[gilded mason]

^

[loud kestrel]

(thats healthy)

[versed helm]

🤣

[fair hazel]

I want the encyclopedia

[terse lava]

We all do

[versed helm]

Do we have any idea who the crashed ship belonged to in the CEA terminals?

[gilded mason]

Nope, just some unknown species

[untold wasp]

would be cool if it was confirmed to be the endless species

[gilded mason]

Nah, some things are better kept as mysteries

[versed helm]

Part of Halo’s draw are its universe’s mysteries

Big reason why I think Zeta halo was the best location for infinite to take place on.

[terse lava]

Eh idk, after reading Primordium when it came out, Infinite has yet to really pull me in. We just have a bland massive forest, random stone rings, and The Endless

[versed helm]

The execution wasn’t as good as I wished it was but conceptually it’s a good idea

Zeta has a lot of history in the Halo universe

[terse lava]

It does have decent history, and I am kinda sad we don't see that. A fog shrouded, flood tainted ring world hidden away by the forerunners,. Shame they removed thsy aspect

[teal ether]

Could you go to space with a grav hammer

[unique rune]

You mean like… escape a planet’s gravity and break through the atmosphere using just a gravity hammer as propulsion…?

[teal ether]

Yessir

it does do antigrav

[last anchor]

On a planetoid with a tiny mass and very slow rotation and no atmosphere, possibly.
But for the most part the gravitational push is down and out towards the target so

[teal ether]

So could a group of guys beating you up with the hopebreaker do that

Like a whole bunch of escharum clones

[cobalt quiver]

Saw Halo Canons newest vid. Looks like Hyperius didnt take Lockes helmet it seems? Wonder if it was a red herring

[loud kestrel]

maybe campaign dlc will fill the gaps

maybe thats part of their plan

lower ur expectations then blow u away with something else

[versed helm]

wrong

[tacit charm]

you gonna elaborate on that or just state people wrong for the crap of it

[tacit charm]

hmmmm

can you send an invite to your mysteries discord

[gilded mason]

https://twitter.com/Halopedia/status/1503554077044654084

[tacit charm]

hmmmmm

[gilded mason]

Last image on here

[tacit charm]

why me

[gilded mason]

"The Activation of Halo"

[tacit charm]

oh

starving the flood

sapient life

[terse lava]

@versed helm going to continue that thought?

[valid hemlock]

"I don't think that's gonna happen"

[versed helm]

guys!! what happened to monitor 2401 the monitor in halo 2???

[unique rune]

2401 Penitent Tangent’s status following the events of Halo 2 is unknown.

[versed helm]

im curious af

He wont die right? or get infected?

[unique rune]

Infected, no.

Depending on the effects of the Sangheili glassing 05’s surface to contain the Flood it’s possible he might’ve been destroyed. But nothing official has touched on his fate thus far.

[arctic lotus]

Your already in it lol

[versed helm]

Stone rings that were created before the creation of the Halo Rings with several broken in order to represent the current history of the rings.

[versed helm]

what did i just read..

anyways the grizzly is the best

[versed helm]

Likely destroyed by elite glassing of the ring or completely non functional due to the Gravemind’s logic plague.

[versed helm]

damn

too bad i like his personality

[versed helm]

Infinite really could’ve benefited from Halo 3 style terminals that cryptically go over the history of the ring and hint at the presence of Offensive Bias

[pale zenith]

Absolutely. Tho the audio logs are neat

[spiral jewel]

Between 2022 and 2560, did the A10 Warthog ever receive any successor aircraft, or was the A10 never retired in that 400+ years? As a dumb question as this is

[tacit charm]

nah a10 is totally still flying around providing close air support on the battlefield. if you pay attention in the back ground of halo reach and sprint one eye, then the other and then squint both eyes at the same time you'll totally see it

[low lynx]

Hey everyone new here!

[loud kestrel]

hey whats an a10 warthog??

why does it sound like a regular warthog but clearly isnt??

[gilded mason]

Type "a10 warthog" into google.

[unique rune]

It’s a ground-attack aircraft used by the US Air Force. Formally known as the Thunderbolt II. Not sure why you didn’t just use a web search to begin with.

[loud kestrel]

so we have warthogs, scout warthogs, rocket warthogs, gauss warthogs, those bigger ones in reach that hold another 3 marines, razorback warthogs, and yet, ive never heard of a flying warthog

[gilded mason]

...

[loud kestrel]

more fun getting the answers from u guys

😁

[winter mica]

does anybody know how the artificial limbs of a spartan are powered when the spartan isn´t wearing Mjolnir

[clever prairie]

TL:DR of Halo
Forerunners

Ancient Humans and Forerunners fight, Forerunners win
Forerunners discover Humanity was fighting the Flood
Forerunners make Prometheans, Shield Worlds, and Halo Rings to counter the Flood
Forerunners start losing against the Flood
Forerunners fire Halo rings, killing all life to starve the flood (sparing some small populations of creatures)

Modern day

Covenant army attacked UNSC (Humans)
Humans and Covenant find Halo rings (The Covenant worship the Forerunners and wish to fire the Halos)
Spartans stop them, and Master Chief goes and wipes the floor with the covenant
Covenant breaks up
Atriox makes the Banished sometime before the covenant was broken

.
Putting this here cus it's useful

[loud kestrel]

atriox was sentenced with death for something wasnt he?

then he fought back and killed the executioners

and took some other to be killed brutes

[ebon condor]

Doesn’t include a bunch of important things but close enough to work

[clever prairie]

For starting to become a symbol of defiance (and other stuff)

[clever prairie]

Tried to make it as short as possible

[loud kestrel]

u missed cortana

can u dm me what u were trying to say

since it got deleted

[clever prairie]

I think that's more of a subplot and doesn't as heavily affect the world in the games

[loud kestrel]

not really, i mean cortana basically destroyed the unsc and a good chunk of earth was under her control too wasnt it?

didnt she go and blow up the unsc hq?

or was it oni

[clever prairie]

Yeah

[loud kestrel]

i think cortana more then deserves a place in your message

[clever prairie]

But that's all mostly after what I wrote. Not that important to the pre-gane lore

[ebon condor]

Accidentally said a sweaw wowd oh no. Just that the thing that got Atriox canned was him killing another brute because the dude attacked him over not believing Covenant teachings anymore. Covies were already trying to remove him over something because of the influence he was garnering and they tried to take their chance here

[loud kestrel]

O

but u know they should still have much more executioners to deal with powerful forces such as himself

a brute his size could pretty easily take out some elites

wait...

now i dont know if this would get modded but

how big is the average brutes doodle?

[gilded mason]

🤨

[loud kestrel]

lmao

genuine question

[ebon condor]

They did have a dozen elites versus presumably one unarmed prisoner. And even then Atriox only killed the Sangheili leader, his troops handled the rest

[gilded mason]

Do you think that would actually be addressed anywhere

[loud kestrel]

i mean it might be? idk the full extent they go with the lore and stuff within

[clever prairie]

Y'all need help

[ebon condor]

10 feet long. About as big as a school bus to as clearly illustrated in chapter 12 of Troy Denning’s Divine Wind

[loud kestrel]

lmao that sounds fake, but sure that'll do

[loud kestrel]

but their dealing with a pack of BRUTES

those guys are beastly

[gilded mason]

You're not sure if it's fake or not?

[loud kestrel]

and could easily 1v1 elites

unarmed or not

they can take a hit

[ebon condor]

They didn’t know that. They assumed that the pack wouldn’t interfere. If they even suspected it they wouldn’t have had the execution right in front of them lol

Like I said, they assumed that at the absolute worst it would still be a 12 v. 1

[loud kestrel]

they shouldnt be stupid and reckless, they should at least be careful

dont assume, ever

always prepare for the worst case scenario

they shouldve at least had them all cuffed and arms behind the back

[ebon condor]

But they weren’t because Sangheili are arrogant and the covenant are arrogant so put them together and you get a lot of plot convenience

[loud kestrel]

those dummies

although

if that never happened would the unsc have ever won?

[ebon condor]

Yeah

[loud kestrel]

cause that entire time during the human covenant war, they were also getting attacked by banished that weakened them a lot

[gilded mason]

If what never happened?

[loud kestrel]

if atriox never escaped and killed the executioners

[ebon condor]

Has no real impact on the events of the games aside from Infinite and HW2 so the end of the Human Covenant war wouldn’t have changed at all

[gilded mason]

The Banished only came about during the final years of the war, and they were small time prates that only did hit and run tactics out outposts. They didn't actually get big until after the war.

[loud kestrel]

every tiny change makes the biggest difference

[ebon condor]

Not in this case

[loud kestrel]

yeah but each outpost is still an attack that weakens them even if just by a little

[gilded mason]

Yeah. The the Banish were a non-factor

It was not enough

The Covenant were huge. Nothing could have stopped them but dissovling like it did in canon

[loud kestrel]

but the idea is, they attack covenant outposts and stuff, covenant pulls some forces back to defend against the banished

thats less for the unsc

[gilded mason]

Again, they were huge

[loud kestrel]

that could potentially make the difference in a battle

[gilded mason]

Not enough

[ebon condor]

When the end of the war is decided by political infighting, extreme loss of manpower, zombies, and a fing civil war the disruption of trade routes has little to no effect

[loud kestrel]

how about truths last push

they mightve had a couple more ships with them

enough to win

[ebon condor]

And they didn’t exhaust their resources, that much is made clear by the copious amounts of Covenant tech available on black markets in the post war era

[gilded mason]

Nah

[ebon condor]

They already outnumbered them 3 to 1

Yeah this isn’t an issue at all

Especially since that push was ultimately ended by two guys and zombies. I mean maybe you could argue that if they had one more AA gun or infantry squad then maybe one of them could have gotten lucky and killed Chief, but that’s a biiiig stretch

[terse lava]

Just wanna throw out there, its been said now that the Banished only began raiding covenant outposts and whatnot near the real tail end of the war. Most of them were truthfully against human areas, already overrun and crushed by thr Covenant. The Banished had absolutely no affect on the war itself

[humble yacht]

Other than annoying the covies

Lol

“Those gosh darn banished escaped our clutches again!”

[terse lava]

I bet there was some small time Fleetmaster charged with hunting Atriox.
"I'll get you next time!"

[gilded mason]

"They don't pay me enough for this."

[humble yacht]

||do they get paid at all?||

[near tide]

The banished didn’t severely weaken the covenant

[gilded mason]

Yeah, Gekz is the Covenant currency.

[fast falcon]

Kinda wonder how much a Gekz compares to a credit now

[humble yacht]

So how many Gekz was Gek worth

[gilded mason]

Z is the 26th letter of the alphabet, and there's three letters before that, making Gek worth...17,576 Gekz

[humble yacht]

If Gek has some Gekz and Gek’s Gekz depreciate in value, how many Gekz are Gek’s Gekz worth?

[gilded mason]

High Charity got Flooded in 2552, and the biggest prime factor of that is 29, so that makes Gek now worth 606 Gekz

[humble yacht]

You and I aren’t on the same wavelength

I’m up in UV and you’re down in infrared

[gilded mason]

How many Gekz do you think Gek is now worth?

[humble yacht]

1 Gek

Obviously

[gilded mason]

gosh

[unique rune]

I always figured it’d be at least 2

[tacit charm]

something that the u.s wants the f35 replacing

[tacit charm]

Where's the~~ lamb sauce ~~ precursors!?

also my version was much more fun

[untold wasp]

gek is the one majestic killed in spartan ops right

[terse lava]

Yes

The unhelmeted guy who was always with Jul

[untold wasp]

and killed his brothers i think

[tacit charm]

was he a better fighter than Ado?

[clever prairie]

Again, not as crucial to the story

[terse lava]

@tacit charm nope

[tacit charm]

[tacit charm]

oh i guess the dudes who created/accelerated life in the milky way galaxy, created the flood via emo phase ( ) and the dudes responsible for the mantle of responsibility shanigans that kinda lead halo to where it is now dont matter to the overall story of halo

[clever prairie]

Sure

[untold wasp]

precursors are very crucial to the story

[cosmic zinc]

For that brief of a tldr... no no they really aren't important. For a longer tldr yes duh

[tacit charm]

hmmm

so i guess the mantle of responsibility was just some totally random forerunner in origin concept

also hot take i think the flood origin and how they initially spread is really goofy

[untold wasp]

i mean you could just say at the beginning that they made all life and later became the flood but you do you

[cosmic zinc]

Again in a longer tldr very important. But that tldr leaves out a ton of info I would put in before anything about precursors.

[terse lava]

I would be in agreement here. Besides the actions of a single, insane Precursor, they have not been terribly central to the main story telling, unless it delves into the past like the forerunner books, or h4(sorta)

[tacit charm]

the tldr version just makes it seem like the ancestors (what an incredibly goofy name but ok i guess it's canon now), forerunners and other races just popped out of the blue

[terse lava]

We know they were around, they made stuff, they chose humans over forerunners, and got knocked out of the galaxy and reality while several made the flood

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks "Ancestors" is goofy

[tacit charm]

time travel

[terse lava]

Is that really what they are supposed to have called themselves? Its still silly, even used by modern humans

[tacit charm]

every race in the forerunner saga knew they were going to die at some point so why not give a fitting name to themselves

[cosmic zinc]

Lol

[terse lava]

Truthfully I hope thats just a title given to them by modern man, not what they called themselves

[tacit charm]

monke

[untold wasp]

doisac

[tacit charm]

what about it

it got turned into small chunks of rock

[untold wasp]

you said monke

[tacit charm]

i meant that's what we should call ourselves lol

[terse lava]

You know, I wonder if the Jiralhanae ever used that as a joke somehow, the Sangheili sure did

[versed helm]

What about the droid attack on the wookie-

wait wrong

universe

hold on lemme get my things rite

[clever prairie]

This

[tacit charm]

so im going to assume forerunners and the whatnot came from nowhere?

[clever prairie]

Lmao

[clever prairie]

I was trying to explain it to a guy who just started playing Halo. Not everyone is as smart as you are.

[versed helm]

knowledge doesn't mean smartness

[clever prairie]

True

[ebon condor]

And ya know… the entire human covenant war

[tacit charm]

hold, imma get my totally accurate timeline of the halo

[tacit charm]

did he not have that?

huh

interesting

[ebon condor]

Monke go boom, big monke get mad

[ebon condor]

^

[clever prairie]

Spartans stop them, and Master Chief goes and wipes the floor with the covenant

[celest crown]

Dammy

[gilded mason]

Master Chief goes and wipes the floor with the covenant
🤔

[ebon condor]

That never happened

[tacit charm]

-the big bang (maybe)
-the precursors travelling to other galaxies
-the precursors get 360 no scope by the forerunners
-the precursors become coke/flood/stasis/unalive
-the forerunners fight super space monke after super space monke for some peculiar totally not drugging their dogs with random space coke and causing a flood outbreak to spread throughout their empire reason start to invade forerunner territory
-the forerunners get boned in the but by super space coke precursor/flood and chose to seppuku the galaxy
-the forerunners also found a random race that can survive their engagement rings (yet cant survive bullets which is kinda funny since precursors tech like star roads can survive practically anything except the seppuku arrays) get locked up by the forerunners and then forerunners bail from the galaxy
-the super space monke who are now just monkes after losing to the forerunners are realive along with lizards, raptors, crabs, flies, monkes etc
-the race whose heads looks like a male end has a surprise visit from top 10 anime betrayal character forerunner ai which would later result in the formation of the cov when some male end headed dude yeeted off their home planet
-the monkes have some wars, revolutions, technological advancement etc here and there and at some point those monkes got off their rock and bought their conflicts to space
-the monkes who we now shall dub as humans as to avoid any confusion have a big big civil war after a big big peace time
-the humans (the ones that matter anyways) meet space raptor, decide to have talks and it all goes down the drain from there until discovery on engagement ring/s

[ebon condor]

Like not even on reach

[tacit charm]

now that's a summary

[clever prairie]

Yes I'm sure he would have used a mop

[tacit charm]

the books arent canon hence chief did wipe the floor with the cov as far as the games are concerned

[celest crown]

Master chief is cool

[tacit charm]

master chief is indeed cook

[ebon condor]

Lol. I wasted so much time

I was moreso talking about the Spartans stopping the covenant

[tacit charm]

oh ye

spartans were dropping like flies during the war

[ebon condor]

Like that happened in majorly isolated incidents and in no way defined the war unless we’re watching a UNSC propaganda reel

[tacit charm]

🥖 im not saying they were easy to kill it's just look at how many there were at the start of the war to the end

[clever prairie]

True, hence why I said Master Chief wiped the floor, not the Spartans

[tacit charm]

ye

[celest crown]

@tacit charm You underestimate my power!

[tacit charm]

only mc

[loud kestrel]

guys... i seriously feel like a toddler named the covenant currency

[tacit charm]

mc did everything alone

[gilded mason]

Think that was more Rtas and the Fleet of Retribution than John.

[tacit charm]

Don't try it

🥖

[ebon condor]

Oh hell na I can’t even ironically support this

[celest crown]

Aahhhhh!

[tacit charm]

john gets stuck behind one door on 04, game over

[ebon condor]

Chief only really wiped the floor with the covenant alone during the games

Which still skips the entire HC war

[tacit charm]

john doesnt have near death stuff happen to him cause he's too macho for that

[loud kestrel]

really? nobody can second that?

gekz is like exactly what a toddler would name a currency

[gilded mason]

That does remind me that a lot of people elsewhere seem to forget the massive amount of support John gets every game. From UNSC resources of all kinds to even Cortana, a major reason he's not dead.

[ebon condor]

It’s an alright name

[tacit charm]

so anyways

[ebon condor]

I’ve heard worse

[loud kestrel]

343: What should we name this currency?

toddler: Gekz!

343: Oh alright then

[loud kestrel]

lmao no its just so damn goofy and sounds exactly like what a toddler would say, like theres nothing wrong with the name

[gilded mason]

It's an okay name, Grunt.

[loud kestrel]

oh i guess the list goes on

[ebon condor]

I mean I’ve heard worse IRL

[unique rune]

Lots of names don't sound weird because they're just normalized parts of daily life

[gilded mason]

^

[unique rune]

Out of context the word "dollar" sounds stupid.

[ebon condor]

Like I swear that I’ve heard a kid say rupee when he got excited

[tacit charm]

what

[loud kestrel]

zelda

[tacit charm]

why did that get erased

[ebon condor]

Ding d—g

[loud kestrel]

ding dong?

lmao

dong?

[tacit charm]

[loud kestrel]

dong,

haha

punctuation

dong-

[ebon condor]

This servers kinda mid in terms of rules ngl

[loud kestrel]

waaaiiittt a minute

now i feel like i gotta test the limits

[ebon condor]

But they gotta keep everything clean though

[loud kestrel]

is it worth it?

[gilded mason]

How about you don't.

[ebon condor]

I wouldn’t

[loud kestrel]

the mods might completely destroy me

[ebon condor]

Yeah

[gilded mason]

In that case, do it.

[loud kestrel]

and wipe me off the face of the earth

[gilded mason]

Please.

[loud kestrel]

oh ok, so u say no then when i say the mods are gonna destroy me u say yes?

[ebon condor]

The most common way I’ve seen people get banned is by trying to dodge the filter

[loud kestrel]

hmmmmmm

guys thoughts?

should i test the limits?

[ebon condor]

Like even on servers 10x more lenient than this formal crapshoot they take the filter very very seriously

So no

Do not

[loud kestrel]

thank u! somebody that doesnt want to see me die

[ebon condor]

Hey I can say crapshoot

[unique rune]

I mean, if you're gonna do it can you at least not do it here.

[loud kestrel]

crap

[ebon condor]

Nice

[tacit charm]

[loud kestrel]

oh

nvm

shoot

shot?

maybe

shot

[gilded mason]

Stop. Spamming.

[loud kestrel]

phew they dont consider it too close to ****

[tacit charm]

you're a mod mute him

[loud kestrel]

i thought u wanted to see me get destroyed

[gilded mason]

Get destroyed in another channel

[loud kestrel]

no hes not

right?

[tacit charm]

didnt say he was a mod of this server

[loud kestrel]

fooled me

[ebon condor]

guys should I test the filter?
no
ok
but seriously should I do it?
NO
ok
does it anyway

The slightest bit of respect right there

[tacit charm]

so anyways

[loud kestrel]

i didnt really do it

[tacit charm]

hot take

I think Covenant abilities are overrated

[loud kestrel]

i mean i tried 1 that would for sure get it, and not even how to stop it

[ebon condor]

I saw the message get deleted

That still counts

[gilded mason]

Careful not to burn yourself

[loud kestrel]

i know, and i didnt do it how i thought it wouldnt get deleted

[ebon condor]

Can you elaborate on abilities?

[loud kestrel]

i put ! instead of i, now thats just a common thing, with punctuation at the end it probably wouldnt be deleted

[unique rune]

Can y'all stop prodding the filter and just get back to lore

[gilded mason]

^

[ebon condor]

One more and then it’s dead

fudgsicle

[loud kestrel]

okiedokie

[ebon condor]

Now I think covenant plasma is definitely their strongest weapon but everything else is kinda of lacking. Shielding especially

[gilded mason]

Their shielding is pretty powerful.

~~Depending on which ships we're talking about ~~

[ebon condor]

Like you would think that they would develop a means of keeping the shield up while they were firing

[ebon condor]

Also compared to UNSC weapons

[gilded mason]

I think that's kinda a limitation of physics.

[ebon condor]

I would expect it to hold up better against plasma since that’s what it’s original use was

[ebon condor]

Idk I think they could pull it off given enough time. Instead of one shield it’s multiple overlapping ones maybe?

Kinda just spitballing, that would probably leave it open to attacks

Forget that

[unique rune]

...Don't Covenant warship shielding systems just drop a section of the energy shield for firing?

It's not the entire shield that goes down, just a relevant portion. The rest still remains active.

[ebon condor]

Oh damn if that’s the case than I take it back for ships

[tacit charm]

e.g oh ye cov ships shields can survive nukes because lore says so (doesnt take into account yield of the nuke and context/environment), cov can glass worlds so easily you wont even notice it (doesnt take into account what kholo elite dude and silent storm's description of glassing), something like the cso can tank the smacs of the infinity (doesnt take into account well logic plus how ridiculously broken that is), brutes are big strong monkes and can destroy a spartan so easily (doesnt take into account context and confuses ferociousness for big strength), something like high charity can survive a nova bomb point blank cause forerunner tech (doesnt take into account by saying that they're also saying the keyship is more powerful than 99% of the forerunner navy)

[ebon condor]

There is no way high charity could survive a nova bomb

[tacit charm]

cov shields arent that particularly powerful as people may think

[tacit charm]

nah hur dur forerunner keyship = mystery = devoid of logic or reason

[ebon condor]

Especially against plasma, which is kinda weird

[tacit charm]

well that

[ebon condor]

Like those things were originally built with engagements with other plasma based weaponry in mind, so I think it should give more resistance than we saw in First Strike

[tacit charm]

and things like nukes used in space is very different to when it's used in atmosphere plus for the most part nuke yields arent given (until ghost of onyx which well gg your cov fanfiction cause 30 megaton mines go brrrt on destroyers and heavy cruiser)

[tacit charm]

also arent you in r/halo server?

[tacit charm]

marbito legit just uses this logic

[ebon condor]

Yeah I’m semi active in there. It’s been kinda of dry recently though

[tacit charm]

hmmmm

maybe i should do forerunners are overrated (to a degree) rant ton there

that'll be fun

[ebon condor]

I’d like to see it

They’re a bunch of pompous idiots with great technology so it wouldn’t be that hard of a sell