#lore-and-universe

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gilded mason
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I was just asking you to expand on what you meant by female elites being "humanoid".

dire wharf
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Okay so i just read a really interesting article about spartans and their armor, apparently all spartans urine gets recycled in their suit into drinkable water. Basically spartans do their business inside of their suit. This is confirmed in the Halo glasslands book chapter 9.

near tide
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All Sangheili are humanoid

marble token
midnight kestrel
thin yew
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Female sangheili look mostly the same as the men.

terse lava
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Yeah, only real difference is females are somewhat shorter, thinner, and "smelling of feathers"

loud kestrel
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and honestly the only other "humanoid" thing i can think hes refering to for specifically humanoid elites, is that they must have the female parts that would probably get censored if i said them

loud kestrel
loud kestrel
gilded mason
loud kestrel
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i dont want to be an astronaut...

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my pee belongs in a toilet

unique rune
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You say that as if most of the water we consume hasn't been urine at some point or another.

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It all gets cycled through and eventually it'll come back around. We've just developed artificial methods to clean it out and make it usable faster.

loud kestrel
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i mean its less obvious and known and we dont think of it as pee we think of it as water

unique rune
loud kestrel
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and even worse, thats YOUR OWN PEE

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i dont wanna be that guy that drinks his own piss to survive

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those poor poor spartans

unique rune
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I mean, they're not really poor.

gilded mason
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They're not straight up drinking pure pee.

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It's been converted into water

loud kestrel
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of course not pure pee, they'd be sick if they did

unique rune
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These processing systems do a really good job of purifying the water, even with current technology.

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And, like, if you absolutely need to drink your own urine to survive, so what...?

loud kestrel
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i mean yeah they would do an amazing job that i suppose the chiefs piss water would taste fresher then any other water in the universe lmao

unique rune
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Desperate times call for desperate measures. If you don't drink anything you just get to dry out and die.

gilded mason
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Though I think you can only do that once before it becomes detrimental.

loud kestrel
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uh what?

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never heard that word

gilded mason
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Google it, then

left dove
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yes drinking your pee more than once over will cause serious damage to your kidneys, though i wouldn't recommend even doing it once

near tide
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Spartan armor recycles pee and sweat

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So I assume it makes the pee safe to drink multiple@times

gilded mason
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Yeah, this is just regarding you being in a survival situation in real life without any way to purify it.

slim orchid
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DOES MASTER CHIEF EAT FOOD?

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IT WORRIES ME ALOT

long shore
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am i the only one whos pissed that we havent heard more about the spartan 3s who integrated into the spartan branch?

slim thorn
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Yep, noticed that as well. Furthermore, most stories for Spartan III's were Black Ops, Headhunters, or outside Spartan Branch such as Ferrets.

left dove
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That thing is basically a luxury hotel room strapped to your skin

viscid wing
glacial oracle
frigid oar
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during the events of halo ce master chief at alpha base ate some MRS

unique rune
kind garden
kind garden
unique rune
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Cooking oils and fats, sure, probably.

Not any sort used for industrial applications.

untold wasp
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master chief chili

crimson mauve
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placid ember
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I'm playing through the MCC and I've never played 4 before. I've heard its kinda hard to follow if you don't already know the lore. Any good place to start reading up on it without spoiling the plot of the game?

unique rune
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I really wouldn’t say it’s any harder to understand than other Halo titles, honestly.

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There’s a bit of an infodump somewhere around the midpoint of the campaign which can come off a little dense, but most everything you need to know about the campaign is explained adequately enough.

untold wasp
unique rune
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You might get something extra out of reading the Forerunner Trilogy of novels, but they can definitely be rather dense looking and aren’t really required reading.

If you go out of the way to find the Terminals in 4’s campaign they present a relatively condensed version of the material that is actually relevant to the campaign, but they’re also not really necessary.

versed helm
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Greetings, I have a question that need an answear. If in Halo 5 there was no war in the ending why does Halo Infinite in the story MC is rescued by the spanish guy, where was the war? Any game before halo 5 that captured that moment? State: Confused.

odd lichen
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Wdym?

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Because the new covenant and the banished are two different things

untold wasp
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ya

odd lichen
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I’m also writing a book about an alternative halo universe

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Sneak peak:
(The book is about what happened if truth fired all of the halos.

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Here is sneak peak: Then, truth activated the halo.
The end

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O wait

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Sry

untold wasp
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it would just be the people at the ark who would still be alive

odd lichen
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I posted the whole book

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(It’s a joke)

untold wasp
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i know

odd lichen
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(I’m also not writing a book)

shy niche
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So...

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Does Chiefs suit like...

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You already know the question

odd lichen
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No

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If it’s the question I think your thinking, no

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(I hope not)

versed helm
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there was no war scene in halo 5

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halo infinite showed the war in minutes before MC were left in the space

odd lichen
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Halo 5 was the war with the new covenant

versed helm
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I am confused because there was no war starting

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there was no first ships arrving

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nothing

humble yacht
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the war is referring to the conflict between the unsc and the banished on zeta halo during the 6 months that chief was out of commission

versed helm
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only the ending

odd lichen
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The banished had been a UNSC problem

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For 6 months or longer

versed helm
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because there was no entrance on that thing

odd lichen
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Wich war?

humble yacht
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the beginning of the war is the banished showing up at zeta and attacking

versed helm
versed helm
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why?

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odd lichen
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With the banished? Yea the opening halo infinite cut

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odd lichen
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?

humble yacht
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atriox wanted the ring for himself. they didn't necessarily expect the unsc to be there but they were prepared for it

odd lichen
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Yeah

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Then infinity came in

versed helm
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the last ring

odd lichen
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With master Chief

humble yacht
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please turn off pings when replying

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no, that was a different ring

odd lichen
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And they had a big space battle

humble yacht
versed helm
odd lichen
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Yeah

versed helm
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to do what

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destroy humans?

odd lichen
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To take it

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And use it

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Yes

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To destroy humans and other enemies

versed helm
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all that was is atr "killing" MC

humble yacht
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because that's not what the story focuses on

odd lichen
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Ohh the battle while Chief was asleep

humble yacht
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there will be a book that goes into what happened in the 6 months before chief was found in space

versed helm
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For me is a piece of the puzzle not locked

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why don´t show how it started

odd lichen
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Doesn’t halo wars 2 cover that?

humble yacht
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no

versed helm
odd lichen
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Okay

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I haven’t played halo wars 2

humble yacht
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Rubicon Protocol will be the book that covers this info

versed helm
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I don´t look back

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still the story should be resumed by 343 industries

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there is too many questions without answers in game

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@humble yacht feedback this to them.

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odd lichen
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Some audio logs help

humble yacht
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don't ping mods/admins, please

odd lichen
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Awnser maybe

versed helm
humble yacht
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and no, mods aren't here to pass on feedback, lol

odd lichen
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Yea but still

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They help a bit

versed helm
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I want to piece out what is going to happen

odd lichen
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I have no idea

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I don’t work at 343

versed helm
humble yacht
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Rubicon Protocol comes out this year

versed helm
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( aprox date )

odd lichen
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Maybe Chief crushing the banished somewhere else

versed helm
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that would be epic.

odd lichen
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Or a cool world-hopping game, where Chief travels from world to world re-taking all the human colonies?

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I would like that

humble yacht
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chief is gonna be stuck on zeta for awhile

odd lichen
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Yeah

versed helm
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guardians deserve more

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still

odd lichen
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Or maybe it doesn’t have Chief at all

versed helm
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in this case ask 343 to do a spin off

odd lichen
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New ODST game?

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ODST drop on different planets at take them back?

versed helm
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question, what does that big structure in vertical purpose?

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in campaign

humble yacht
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play the game to find out

versed helm
odd lichen
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The spires?

versed helm
odd lichen
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The beacons?

versed helm
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sending sc

humble yacht
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The Spires were repair nodes, responsible for expediting repair functions on the ring.

odd lichen
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Yeah

versed helm
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I can´t send sc here

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useless

odd lichen
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And the beacons was the communication

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humble yacht
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guess no one listens to game dialogue anymore, smh my head

tacit charm
untold wasp
slim thorn
left dove
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space is very, very empty and very vast. If his armor could keep him alive there's no huge risk really

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the bigger issue imo is how he just so happened to stumble into esparza, given that space is vast and all

long shore
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easy. hes got built in cryo suspension for his suit, and an average friend or foe beacon like every other piece of unsc equipment

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plus, the guys lucky, so of course he was found

left dove
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fair enough, always forget he's got luck on his side

versed helm
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Interplanetary wars lore by installing 00

humble yacht
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even then, surviving for six months with no new oxygen source is pretty fantastical

glacial oracle
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glacial oracle
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Prf

humble yacht
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spartan physiology has been altered to run on very little nutrient

glacial oracle
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Where does it mention the specifics of that?

humble yacht
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the suit can recycle water

glacial oracle
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For several months?

humble yacht
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apparently

glacial oracle
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He be drinking thin straws at that point

humble yacht
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it's also possible that the suit allowed the vacuum of space to lower his body temp to near-stasis levels

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i don't disagree that it's a little ridiculous that he survived so long, but it is fiction

glacial oracle
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sorry didnt disable the ping

humble yacht
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please remember to turn off the ping when replying

glacial oracle
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Its a bad habit

humble yacht
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halo has done plenty to not fully explain how certain things happened, even going back to the bungie era

glacial oracle
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Im not doubting that but its more or less the intentions and how they go about the situation.

humble yacht
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have you never pondered the logistics of how chief ended up back in the Milky Way after Halo 3?

glacial oracle
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I won't lie and say its a question I ponder often but if i had to come up with something on the spot I would suggest that despite the FoD being split into two the slipspace was successful enough to enter the Milky Way with Arbiters side successfully getting to earth while Chiefs side was yeeted into another part of the Milky Way at random.

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But i understand your point in it not being properly explained. Despite this however, its a situation that several realistic explanations can be made using what we have available.

humble yacht
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the same can be applied almost as much to the 6 months in space situation

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it's not that beyond the scope of what has been described about MJOLNIR and spartan physiology

loud kestrel
glacial oracle
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The thing about that is that in my opinion i believe it is beyond the scope of what both spartan physiology and the MJOLNIR is capable of and if it was within the scope it wouldn't rely on this 'survival mode' that we haven't heard of.

Regardless of what I am saying it did happen so something must have worked that defy my expectations. I just hope we get more information on it.

humble yacht
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temper you expectations

glacial oracle
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Probably

loud kestrel
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more talk is good for the series

glacial oracle
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Depends on the talk 👀

loud kestrel
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we can ponder and honestly its pretty fun trying to figure out explanations for things like this

valid hemlock
outer axle
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does the sub monitor have a name?

terse lava
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@outer axleAdjutant Resolution is his name

cobalt quiver
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how big was the Covenant remnant faction aboard the ark in Divine Wind?

terse lava
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Unknown at this time

versed helm
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next halo game

left light
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It is implied however that the covenant loyalist remnant on the ark are significantly outnumbered by the banished and unsc as they had to use the unsc to their advantage against the banished by tricking them rather then using their own forces so it's safe to bet on that being the case.

slim thorn
versed helm
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is the destiny lore connected with halo lore?

pulsar grail
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nu

vestal mountain
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Is it just me

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Or was halo 4 the most irrelevant halo

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Like i have forgotten everything that happened in halo 4

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it wasnt that bad

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but wasnt that good

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and is rarley talked about

versed helm
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In retrospective was halting the SPARTAN-II program a good idea?

They could have had the SPARTAN-II program running alongside SPARTAN-IV.

near tide
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And it’s also super unethical

humble yacht
humble yacht
unique rune
untold wasp
quick slate
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How is paramount series canon

gilded mason
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It isn't?

untold wasp
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it is a separate timeline

quick slate
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So nothing is canon and i dont need to watch it at all to know any outside lore?

untold wasp
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probably some to understand somethings

digital grotto
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I lost my old Account. . .

thin yew
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It's basically just its own thing utilizing most of the same elements

main rivet
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It's basically just the same playbook as the Marvel movies to the Marvel comics canon. Doesn't seem like it should be so confusing.

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We've had big tentpole franchises doing this for coming on 20 years at this point.

obsidian thistle
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Yea all we really need to know now is if there if this branches off the main timeline in a what if X happened. Or if it is entirely different

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As thats the sorta logic a lotta Marvel timelines go

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What if X happened lol

main rivet
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I think given how they're seemingly compressing a lot of events to happen in a short time span it's 100% its own thing and not a what-if situation in any way or form.

slim thorn
unique rune
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If not properly frozen, ice crystals will destroy cells and kill you, so it'll stop functioning in that sense.

Otherwise, low temperatures can be used to slow chemical reactions and other biological processes.
That's the entire logic that cryosleep works on.

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It doesn't entirely stop body function, but slows it to a negligible rate.

last anchor
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And why drugs exist to counteract the freezing

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Thats the stuff Laskys allergic too

slender sapphire
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Nuh-uh, the leprechaun, buddy… HypeChief …actually… uh, phoenix? Unicorn? That… you know, that… that chipathingy… yeah, I’ve lost track.

humble yacht
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It’s possible the suit prevents formation of ice crystals during freezing without any special media that would be necessary for normal people

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Iirc Chief had minor freezer burn when being woken on the Autumn

slim thorn
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That's because Keyes orders the crew to do a flash-thawing, which causes a minor freezer burn.

humble yacht
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Then that sounds like a misuse of the term by Bungie or whoever wrote it

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Because thawing fast doesn’t induce freezer burn

unique rune
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I only ever recall mild skin irritation being a common issue for flash thaws, not necessarily freezer burn.

terse lava
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If I recall it was actually due to the suit, as typically you are nude going into cryo to prevent just that

unique rune
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Er, yeah, come to think of it, it's only really a thing when going in clothed.

This is because clothing tends to bond to the skin at extremely low temperatures.[2] Individuals who disregard this and enter cryo-sleep with clothing or bandages will often awake to find their skin blistered and raw.[4]
Citing the old encyclopedia and The Flood, respectively.

humble yacht
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Maybe they never said “freeze burn” specifically

frigid oar
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Can we get an offical name for the monitors of installation 01 and 06, the most we got was a joke from bungie that 01 was 07 broken ipod

unique rune
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I'm sure we'll get names for them if they're ever actually relevant

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Alternatively, I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming encyclopedia has names for them

frigid oar
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I mean 049 abject testament was very minor in terms of character and he was still named

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Heck even installation 02 monitor got a name: 07 Contrite Witness

untold wasp
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all monitors have names

gilded mason
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I don't think that was ever in question.

untold wasp
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oh ok

versed helm
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Was the Kraken ever brought back in the Halo series after or before 5

terse lava
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Nope, h5 was its first and only appearance thus far

left light
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I would love to see the banished get their hands on one and modify it

scarlet hinge
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in a lore stream about the halo array done by writers Jeff Easterling and Kenneth Peters in 2018, they actually had the monitor names in the presentation but got asked to remove them

slim thorn
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Like the Pillar of Autumn or when SoF was infiltrated by the Flood

last anchor
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To add to the previous conversation; "freezer burn" is the UNSC nickname for various skin irritation and other abnormalities that can be caused by going into cryo anything other than naked.
Cause in the Nylund novels, if you even had a bandaid on when you went in it would freeze to your skin and hurt something fierce.
Obviously they've retconned that out a little bit (see FuD).
Chief was frozen wholesale in his MJLONIR, which, despite the previous commentary, is apparently fine for a Spartan to do...

One of the techs says the words "freezer burn" during the tutorial in CE so

vestal mountain
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OMG imagine in a DLC theres a banished scarab. That would be so cool

slim thorn
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I feel bad for Red Team, though. They could also undergo flash thawing when handling the Flood inside SoF.

last anchor
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Flood issues been handled, Jerome took care of it with a chair

versed helm
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halo gameplay: haha shoot midget alien
halo lore:

loud kestrel
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some sort of compartment for that in the back of the suit maybe

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should be added

tacit charm
versed helm
tacit charm
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alot of halo's lore is kinda borderline goofy asf

sinful ledge
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ehhh.... if you study the lore as much as i do its not that goofy

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heavy on the sci-fi side tho

loud kestrel
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its perfection itself

tacit charm
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also study the lore?

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ok then

severe cosmos
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Hey does anyone remember the exact words that SGT Johnson said about the scorpion in halo 2? I need to use it for something.

Decided to put this in here cause the lore chat definitely has someone who’s memorized it.

unique rune
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Just look up the transcript for the Metropolis on Halopedia.

severe cosmos
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Wish i could right now but I’m using mobile and I can’t look stuff up.

unique rune
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...What kind of mobile device are you using that can access Discord but not a web browser.

celest moth
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Where do I learn about Halo lore?

severe cosmos
severe cosmos
untold wasp
sinful ledge
untold wasp
loud kestrel
left tapir
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Anyone think of how depressing it is that humanity only survived the war? And how the only reason the covenant isn't an issue is because they imploded and got three wayed?

gilded mason
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Nah, humanity surviving only because the Covenant turning against themselves is the only way it could have gone

fast falcon
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I’d call it more uplifting than depressing, that even with everything going against them, humanity was able to just keep holding on until the Covenant just couldn’t hit it anymore

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I guess in hindsight the HC war was kinda like one huge rope-a-dope against the Covenant almost

left tapir
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Right, right. It's compelling that it happened the way it did. Especially with Chief, Cortana, Keys, Johnson, In Amber Clad/Forward Unto Dawn all pulling a massive clean operation the way they did

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Humanity still pulling out there very best despite it all

timid cloud
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Is there any lore behind the different modes in multiplayer?

valid hemlock
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Don't think so

scarlet hinge
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In Escalation Issue #1, they're simulating an Invasion match against simulated elites

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the Extraction mode in H4 has some minor bits about the technology being extracted

sinful ledge
severe cosmos
versed helm
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Has there been any records of revival, or "coming back from the dead" in the lore at all?

unique rune
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Closest thing to that would probably be Linda-058 being resuscitated from being clinically dead after the events of CE.

terse lava
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The Precursors did it all the time over eons, while the Forerunners admitted they lacked such technology or abilities to bring the dead back

last anchor
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If you freeze someone in cryo fast enough they can be resucsitated with proper medical equipment.

severe cosmos
unique rune
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Yes, though it was only added for the CE Anniversary graphics.

loud kestrel
versed helm
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https://www.halopedia.org/Fusion_drive
This Halopedia article claims that the majority of human fusion
engines employ the inertial-electrostatic confinement configuration,
but it also clearly mentions magnetic confinement. Does anyone have
any reliable sources that could validate this conflicting claim?

solemn gorge
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Do you think Ancient Humanity could play a role in a future campaign DLC for Halo Infinite?

terse lava
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Depends if you mean the primitive ones or thr advanced ones, either way think the best wed get is just a handful of artifacts and terminals involving them

tacit charm
loud kestrel
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i mean if they had the resources and time to do it

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the covenant would soon catch on and blow up the places they build novas

tacit charm
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and last i checked scaling the keyship off other forerunner ships high charity doesnt have shields that powerful

near tide
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Mass production of NOVAS would probably be gg for the covenant

terse lava
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Not really, they have to be transported

near tide
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But that’s like saying if the covenant had infinite CSO’s

terse lava
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Any ship carrying them would be taken down fast, and the Covenant can detect slipspace ruptures

near tide
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In space and such

terse lava
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And the high charity defense fleet targeted anything larger than a millimeter and destroyed it if it got too close

near tide
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I never said they’d be used on high charity

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But in amber clad made it through

terse lava
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Thanks to the gravemind

near tide
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I feel like NOVAS would be huge in fleet battles

alpine thistle
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So how rich is the UNSC, like don't the Spartan armor cost like billions of dollars, not including the ODSTs and Marines

near tide
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I’d say spartan armor is closer to trillions of current day usd

untold wasp
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i think chimera said that one spartan armor is about the cost of a ship i forgot which size

near tide
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Yes

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That is what it says in lore

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ships are pricy

terse lava
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Was from either Fall of Reach, or First Strike, that commented the armor was worth a small fleet

near tide
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Titanium armor, reactors, weapons, etc

alpine thistle
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Dang

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Knew they were expensive, didn't know they were that expensive

tacit charm
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remembered individual Mjolnir being compared to a destroyer

terse lava
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@tacit charm one or the other yeah

shut dew
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I would kill for a promotional worldbuilding video like
"Exploring $2 BILLION MEGA MANSION on Sangheilios!"
to poke fun at massive rich guy projects like what happened with The One in california

loud kestrel
versed helm
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So there isn't any hope of Rookie rising from the grave, bummer

craggy sierra
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That tends to be what happens to people who get shot in the brain

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Either case rookie was basically not a character in the first place.

humble yacht
severe cosmos
near tide
humble yacht
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UNSC

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The navy is one part of the unsc, there is also an army component

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And then of course there are the marines

severe cosmos
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Its still the morning here, I’m trying my best lol.

obsidian thistle
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USNC is mentioned a handful of times in Halo Evolutions. But that's widely regarded as a typo. (Just so ya are safe in the knowledge you aren't the only one to make that mistake lol)

short plank
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Does Mk VII have visible shield emitters like Mk V and Mk VI or are they hidden? Or did 343 just not bother with texturing them in Infinite?

digital parrot
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Hey Chimera what is the cost of the crystal layer? What makes it so cost worthy intstead of the nuclear reactor or armor itself?

severe cosmos
gloomy dirge
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does master chief armor in halo 3 have thrusters

humble yacht
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Yea

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They just aren’t super prominent in the design

gloomy dirge
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ok thanks

spice thistle
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What are the exact dimensions of the Scorpion's 90mm shell

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Like, that's the length of the shell casing

humble yacht
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I thought it was the diameter of the round

spice thistle
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My autocorrect is evil

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spice thistle
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Guess I can't direct reply anymore lol

humble yacht
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You can, just please disable the ping

humble yacht
dawn snow
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The Helghasts are an alien race, and offshoot of the Human Race, and are the main antagonists of the entire Killzone series. Starting off as desperate human colonists fleeing post-war aftermath, the Helgasts have since than evolved into a powerful military warmongering race and have became the biggest threat to humanity.

versed helm
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Killzone has better graphics than halo infinite

dawn snow
versed helm
dawn snow
versed helm
dawn snow
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Ok but you sound like your saying killzone in general when literally all the past games in PS3 era

versed helm
terse lava
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What even brought up the subject of Killzone?

humble yacht
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Nothing

loud kestrel
severe cosmos
last anchor
dawn snow
last anchor
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Just makin a joke

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Who was asking about the Scorpions ammo?

versed helm
valid hemlock
cursive bobcat
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Church

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Church are you here

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Ch-church

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I guess he’s not here right now

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I’m gonna take freckles for a walk

valid hemlock
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No roleplay allowed, mate

severe cosmos
terse lava
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Eh when you think about it, all of halo is one large roleplay. You're playing as either a Spartan or Sangheili

cursive bobcat
cursive bobcat
valid hemlock
thin yew
spice thistle
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I am very bad at math

severe cosmos
thin yew
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In this case, we know the shell casing's 90mm in diameter at its thickest. Normally we'd just be dealing with the shell model by itself ingame with no real way to measure it in actual measurement units (unless we could know the exact dimensions of something else to stick it alongside and compare), only compare its dimensions in relation to itself

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i.e. i could show you a picture of a cylinder with completely unknown dimensions in terms of its diameter in inches or whatnot for instance, but you can at least tell that this cylinder i've provided you is twice as long as whatever its diameter is

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But if you then find out its diameter is 90mm, you can extrapolate that its length must be 180mm

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Knowing the scale of the shell, it's just a matter of measuring the different bits of it and putting the numbers together.

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literally just eyeballing it i think it's roughly three times longer than is diameter, putting the length in the whereabouts of 270mm

cursive bobcat
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That’s too many words

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Sorry

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I would read because I’m a gun nerd but I don’t know that much

versed helm
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Question for the lore are there anymore covenant fractions besides Jul mdama's fraction

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Technically the banished are a splinter fraction not just a fraction

humble yacht
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Faction*

nova stream
terse lava
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Likely hundreds of different factions

cursive bobcat
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I think the swords of sangheilios are one

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I personally would count them as a split faction

untold wasp
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I don’t think so since they despise the covenant

humble yacht
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They used to be covenant, hence they are a splinter/remnant faction. Their current affinity for Covenant doctrines doesn’t change that

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Being covenant will always be part of their history

untold wasp
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Ok

left light
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Idk if you can really count the swords of sangheilios as a splinter faction as their history predates the covenant

humble yacht
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Well they are made of up ex-covenant, so

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And the members did split off from the covenant

unique rune
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The name is pre-Covenant but the modern organization isn’t really the same as that old faction.

near tide
left light
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Before their induction into the covenant they were formed to overthrow a tyrannical arbiter it's somewhat ironic they were reformed by an arbiter that they were first formed to take down.

near tide
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Their members are mostly ex covenant and their tech is all covenant.

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They fit the splinter faction criteria imo

left light
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The modern swords of sangheilios is but what I'm saying is their "history" was formed before the covenant was formed from the writ.

digital parrot
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Sword of Sanghelios used to be covenant yes. They still use the equipment from covenant era. Hard to give up stuff your race and formed agreement used for years

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There are pre covenant tech though as well

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They use the same covenant technology cause that’s what they used for hundreds of years

near tide
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Halopedia considers the swords of sangheilios a covenant remnant/splinter faction

digital parrot
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I vote we ask the halopedian lmao

near tide
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Halopedia lists it as one

proper spoke
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I’ve kinda been thinking about this for a bit- what would happen if a large space rock would collide with a halo ring?? I’m guessing the ring would simply repair itself and move on or would it be like severely fractured beyond repair

frosty swan
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Depends on how big it is I suppose.

proper spoke
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okay let’s say the rock was like 7 miles wide

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and depending on how fast it was going would it just puncture right through the surface- idk this is just a completely random thought I had

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Not really good at understanding the power of meteors and such

severe cosmos
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The ring is like a planet. The ring in halo infinite has a system to repair itself so I assume it would try to replicate what was broken if its active.
I don’t really know though, just a guess.

proper spoke
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That’s what I was thinking too- but if there was a rock large enough would it completely obliterate a ring beyond repair??

slate sand
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It can be destroyed beyond repair, but barring that, it can repair itself.

frosty swan
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I guess it would depend on what the ring would constitute as "irreparably broken".

terse lava
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Just going to throw this out, the only group that can truly not be considered covenant, would be the Sangheili Ussans, who rejected the Writ of Union at the Covenant's formation

untold wasp
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don't the rings have a defensive system that would destroy the rock?

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since that would suck if a ring got taken out by chance

proper spoke
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I have no clue to be honest

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and I think it would be pretty rare for a rock to collide with a ring. Well, it honestly depends where the ring is situated, so I guess it’s not entirely out of the picture

humble yacht
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Rings do have a defense system

untold wasp
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i think the only time i heard of it was in ce terminals when spark was about to use it on the autumn

severe cosmos
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Even if a ring is destroyed it could be replaced with the ark i think.
Once again i have no clue

terse lava
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It can, that was the main purpose of the greater and lesser arks

untold wasp
glad hound
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capicua

tacit charm
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in other words dino killer aint going to do jack squat to the og rings

terse lava
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If I recall, the fortress vessels blasts didn't cut through the ring, only damaged it enough that it tore itself apart

tacit charm
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i said it broke a chunk of it not yeet through the ring like a 1000 degree knife through butter

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although

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i do have some issues with the numbers

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but eh that's for another time

versed helm
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I recommend watching Installation 00

tacit charm
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he has alright videos

terse lava
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@tacit charm just read the related passages. The fortress never broke off a chunk, it simply kept firing on the halo until the ring began to disintegrate into five large arcs

tacit charm
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it didnt

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hmm

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ill check again

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cause as i said i have issues with rama's calcs

terse lava
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The feat is attributed to four cruisers, whose beams made "canyon-like gouges" in the surface of the ring

supple flume
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The history of nuts

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it's very tasty and huge

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This is the video of the story

dull marlin
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fnaf lore

rough smelt
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Reach

vestal mountain
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*talking

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*gouges

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bro my spelling

narrow sluice
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I was in discussion with my brother about the ODST's in Halo and I came across a bit of lore that is driving me insane which is that the reason there is so much hate between the Spartans and the ODST is that one time when Master Chief was not long out of the Spartan programme he had just finished weight lifting and didn't put the pin back in on the bar he was using which meant that an ODST tried lifting it and was injured because one of the weights fell and injured him which lead to three of three of the ODSTs picking a fight with Master Chief who proceeded to fight them and two of the three ODSTs which is why the ODSTs don't like Spartans and vice versa. I hate this because the Master Chief has never come across as being that impulsive.

vestal mountain
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Yeah, but this was when John was 14

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The ODSTS are bitter that a 14 year old beat up 3 ODST personelle

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and

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John wasn't as mature

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Like he would be more mature then the average 14 year old

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But he most likely would have a quick temper

untold wasp
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i don't think all odst's hate spartans, since some became spartans ex. buck

vestal mountain
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Yeah, all of alpha 9 were gonna become spartans

untold wasp
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not all

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rookie :(

vestal mountain
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They were gonna become spartains

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gonna

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but like

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uh

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stuff happened

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people got executed

frigid oar
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Pretty sure atleast 1 got arrested

humble yacht
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Mickey got arrested after he had already become a spartan

frigid oar
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The world if rookie became a spartan

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Oh hey rookie got an offical name now

severe cosmos
humble yacht
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Jonathan Doherty

gilded mason
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https://www.halopedia.org/Jameson_Locke

On December 11, 2559, Locke was proposed by Catherine Halsey as the second option for The Weapon's deployment on Installation 07 in case John-117 couldn't participate in the operation.[37] On December 12, 2559, Locke was underway in the next stages of Operation: BREAKER TRIP,[38] when the Banished attacked the UNSC Infinity, destroying the ship in the process.

Six months later, John-117 encountered the Hand of Atriox member Hyperius. At the time, Hyperius was in possession of Locke's HUNTER-class helmet and chest piece, which he had mounted to his shoulder pauldron as trophies.[39] This fact was used by Banished propaganda officer Glibnub to taunt the surviving UNSC forces on Installation 07, around the same time.[40] It is unclear how Hyperius came to possess these armour pieces, and Locke's fate is currently unknown.

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I did also see a picture of Locke without a helmet and it said it was canon
Whoever told you it was canon was lying to you

humble yacht
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How was it confirmed that the armor was Locke’s?

gilded mason
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Not only is that helmet narratively tied to Locke, the Grunt Propogandist said so.

humble yacht
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I mean

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You can’t really trust propaganda

gilded mason
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The former still stands, massively

humble yacht
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Sure but it wasn’t said outright

gilded mason
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Seems like there's no reason at all to doubt that it's Locke armor?

humble yacht
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I’m just saying

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I think halopedia jumped the gun

gilded mason
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I disagree. There's no point to giving Hyperius Hunter armor and making that grunt say that if it's not supposed to be Locke's armor

tacit charm
# terse lava <@433501337347424256> just read the related passages. The fortress never broke o...

ye so i reread the page yesterday for a bit and it just seems like it was more or less a combined effort and one way or another a chunk of ring was sent flying from the fortress' attack in the end. i mean it's up to you to pick whether the fortress was the main cause of the ring breaking apart a chunk or the ring itself did it since it quite literally says "The installation began a spectacular disintegrative sequence"

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also i misread rama's calcs yesterday as well it didnt say the fortress was producing exatons/zetatons of energy that was from the piece of the ring crashing into the halo

untold wasp
gilded mason
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What’s that have to do with it being Locke’s armor or not?

untold wasp
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oh right i forgot about that

left light
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Locke was a very highly trained assassin and agent for ONI and a proficient operative, Locke stated that he had broken a lot of laws in his time and did a lot of things that he probably shouldn't be proud of, but he always made sure to do them for the right reasons. He has a good reputation as even Halsey was possibly going to rely on him with the deletion of Cortana if John was not up to it in the audio log's. So him being taken down by Hyperius (Hopefully not killed) would have been demoralizing for the unsc, not to mention his armor being showed as a trophy to further that psychological warfare.

terse lava
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@vestal mountain no, a different halo attacked during the Battle of the Forerunner Capital

solemn gorge
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While I was replaying the Lone Wolf mission from Reach, I noticed in the scene where Dr Halsey was talking about Noble Six, I saw this ship in the distance: https://www.halopedia.org/Unidentified_colony_ship#/media/File:HR_Screenshot_ColonyShip1.png. It looks way too advanced for anything the UNSC could've built, and it looks almost Forerunner in origin. Could it have been possible that after Infinite that Humanity managed to sucessfully and fully reverse-engineered Forerunner technology and integrated it into its ships? This scene does take place in 2589, which would've given humanity enough time to rebuild after the whole thing with Cortana.

humble yacht
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It’s probably just a human ship. We haven’t seen much in the way of civilian vessels. Maybe they’re just more artistic

left light
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It is a UEG colony ship and looking at pictures of some ancient human vessels it looks far more advanced then ships during the war, if humanity successfully reverse engineers forerunner artifacts unlike the covenant does then it maybe possible to reach this tier again afterall the hellcat armor was integrated into Mjolnir and that was a ancient human combat skin.

severe cosmos
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Wait, why haven’t i heard of the hellcat armor, and what is it?

humble yacht
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It’s a gen2 armor from h5. Based on recovered ancient human combat skins

frigid oar
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quite some time fir humans to slap cool looking stuff onto ships

untold wasp
humble yacht
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No, the year of the Reach epilogue is 2589

terse lava
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Mhm, plenty of time for humanity to have made some hybrid ships

humble yacht
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Or just update the look of their regular ships

terse lava
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Perhaps

loud kestrel
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i have no clue why or how he would still be alive, but the facts there

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its a good chance locke is dead

left light
loud kestrel
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havent they done it before?

left light
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Not without fan outrage

loud kestrel
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maybe they'll release that in a campaign dlc

left light
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That's what alot of people would like to see is a Locke DLC, I wanna see an ODST DLC

loud kestrel
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theres a lot of dlc i want

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including something that has a banished scarab

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would love to see one

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maybe drive it

left light
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Hopefully infinite can be put back on track going online and see all the video complaints and r/halo and twitter is depressing at least to me but talking lore is always quite intriguing

loud kestrel
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they should seriously bring back h2 style scarab cockpits

left light
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I'd love to pilot the locust

loud kestrel
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lore is definitely among the best things about halo if not the best

loud kestrel
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scary

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ur talking about the building killer right?

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in halo wars

left light
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yep

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actually scratch that there's a lot of halo wars vehicle's I want in infinite

loud kestrel
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i cant see it being a drivable vehicle but it would be cool to see

left light
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The m850 grizzly and hawk would be awesome additions

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the unsc is using alot of old tech the VK78 commando is a weapon from the insurrection era

lucid sleet
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What happened to the DMR over time?

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severe cosmos
unique rune
# lucid sleet What happened to the DMR over time?

M392 model was gradually phased out by most branches of the UNSC in favor of the Battle Rifle family except for the Army. M395 model was later introduced for use by all branches of the UNSC, with special accommodations for Spartans.

lucid sleet
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Oh ok that makes sense

vital oriole
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I just began playing through the halo games in order of release. Finished 3, playing halo wars rn. I've heard that the story of halo 4 draws a lot from the books and comics, if so would you guys recommend me to read some of the books before 4?

gilded mason
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Yeah.

tacit charm
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it helps

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well

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depends

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but eh

gilded mason
vital oriole
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Alright, thanks

terse pecan
lucid sleet
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Yea its all confusing

frigid oar
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Read the forerunner saga of books: cryptum primordium and silentium

terse lava
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Those were pretty good

tawny fox
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I always wondered something. is there any particular reason story-wise that the assault rifle isn't in Halo 2? like did they just stop producing them for a short time?

gilded mason
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Nope, simply that Bungie just didn't include them in the gameplay

tawny fox
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ahh

scarlet hinge
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In the same vein, we've seen all sorts of weaponry from Halo 2+ depicted on Alpha Halo like the SMG and Halo 3 Marine design style

proper spoke
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I sometimes wonder what music and bands 2555+ has

severe cosmos
scarlet hinge
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there's a few known bits

proper spoke
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huh

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neat

severe cosmos
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What exactly does the gauss cannon fire?
(In reference to halo 5 gauss-hog)

valid hemlock
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Same projectile as the other gauss cannons

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Or that's my speculation since the halopedia page doesn't specify change on ammunition

unique rune
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Probably some kind of ferric tungsten slug, I would imagine.

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If I had to guess, the designation for the M485 ammunition shared by the M68 and M555 Gauss cannons is probably short for something like High Velocity/Ferric Tungsten, though I wouldn’t know where to start with the “HPP” part of it.

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Hey I have a question for some big halo geeks out their

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Wtf happened to earths moon

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Cause it’s kinda a big deal and they NEVER talk about it in halo

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So if anyone knows

tacit charm
hearty willow
tacit charm
hearty willow
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Did we ever make it into a base

tacit charm
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yes

hearty willow
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Did we slap a BFG10000 up their like in doom eternal

tacit charm
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where do you think miranda was raised

hearty willow
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Why can’t I find any lore online

tacit charm
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wdym

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pretty it should be on halopedia

hearty willow
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F**k halopedia

tacit charm
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ok

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that's on you

left light
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heresy

valid hemlock
tacit charm
valid hemlock
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"the numbers, halopedia, what do they mean?"

fast falcon
vernal zealot
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hello

severe cosmos
vernal zealot
severe cosmos
primal anvil
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Grand Edict sends his regards everyone

tacit charm
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grand edict is cringe

primal anvil
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Obi-wan is cringe

severe cosmos
rigid scarab
last anchor
devout glen
autumn shale
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I think linda is equal to noble six

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Maybe even better

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But that's just my opinion

hardy light
unique rune
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Not really…?

autumn shale
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Yeah

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But she can work alone just like N6

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And she's the best sniper in the UNSC

hardy light
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I’m just saying 6 was one of the deadliest UNSC assets

unique rune
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All Spartans are incredibly lethal. The “hyper-lethal” rating thing is… quite frankly, marketing hype nonsense.

gilded mason
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^

unique rune
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It really doesn’t make any sense to limit it to just 117 and B312 given the feats of other Spartans.

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Linda sniped seven Covenant pilots out of their Banshees through a small gap between the cockpit canopy and fuselage while one-handed, suspended upside down by a cable, only days after being brought back from the dead.

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If that isn’t hyper lethal when “the edgy nobody guy kills farmers with guns good” is, it’s a pretty terrible label.

tacit charm
autumn shale
hardy light
autumn shale
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No 6 is clearly alive

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It was revealed to me in a dream

hardy light
tacit charm
terse lava
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@tacit charm Frank in truth is Noble 6

tacit charm
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frank my god

hardy light
loud kestrel
loud kestrel
unique rune
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343’s retconned hyper lethal to apply to all Spartans now so it’s not like it really matters. Even if I still think the term is garbage.

gilded mason
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Yup, it's pretty silly

loud kestrel
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noble six really was better then most spartans tho

gilded mason
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He wasn't really special.

loud kestrel
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didnt get much spotlight

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but was very skilled for sure

unique rune
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Every Spartan is exceptionally skilled at killing things.

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B312’s service record isn’t really all that remarkable.

craggy sierra
frosty ore
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It's wort wort Wednesday!

pearl zenith
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Hmmmm

rich palm
valid hemlock
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yes

versed helm
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I like lore

short plank
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Unpopular opinion but an H3:ODST style game detailing the Spartan-3 Alpha and Beta company assaults would be interesting. Maybe even stretch it a little to Ghosts of Onyx.

I can’t see it ever happening though.

low whale
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idk that they'd be interesting as campaigns

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maybe as some kind of minigame

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see how far into the assault you can survive

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roguelike even

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really keep the cannon fodder vibes

short plank
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Yeah

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Heck, might even work as a DLC.

low whale
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kinda reverse firefight

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but not quite

short plank
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Seeing Kurt would be the icing on the cake

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Man was 8’2 in SPI armor o_o

low whale
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big boy 😳

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I'm reading silent storm atm and there's some quality kurt content

short plank
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Really? Sick. I haven’t read that one yet.

low whale
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it's pretty solid, much better balance between decent characterisation and harder military fiction than a lot of the books set pre-reach

short plank
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I will try to pick it up next week then

frigid oar
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Halo cole protocol is good

last anchor
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Bonus points if its basically the Berserk mode from Doom and you just run around for a full minute snapping alien necks and breaking faces

solemn gorge
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I just realized. When Master Chief is switching modules (im talking about the equipment in halo infinite) does he like actually do that in-universally or does he have to go back to a FOB and has to go through another process to switch to another equipment?

vestal mountain
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i think he has all the modules stored somewhere in his suit

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and he just swaps them out

hot moon
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what would the weapons name be?

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from hearing the final cutscene, i would think it would be cortana but not sure

autumn shale
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Her name is craig

hot moon
pearl zenith
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Lol

oblique fiber
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yo im new to this server

terse lava
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Welcome

versed helm
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"When I say walking gods, I mean the Spartan-IIs. Like the old Greek Titans in the way that they live among us but are literally head and shoulders better in every way. And they’re just about as hard to kill. The fact we lost so many of them during the Covenant War tells you something about how horrific that conflict was. The soldiers in the SPARTAN-III program were more like your standard gods of myth and legend, the Titans' kids. Hermes and Apollo and Aphrodite and such. If the Spartan-IIs are more powerful than you can imagine, Spartan-IIIs are probably just inside your limits. The Spartan-IVs—my new designation—are like demigods then, the offspring of the real gods. Think Hercules. We can pass for regular people most of the time—something folks would generally have a hard time mistaking the earlier generations for—but inside, we're far more than that."

Spartan Edward Buck, in the novel Halo: New Blood, page 113

valid hemlock
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when i see cat ears, i mean the spartan-IVs chiefsmirkle

versed helm
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Could we see a revival of the SPARTAN-II program? Especially considering we need great Spartans badly after how many atriox killed

valid hemlock
versed helm
valid hemlock
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coz kidnappin children=bad

versed helm
valid hemlock
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having trained military as volunteers is better

oblique fiber
unique rune
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Spartan-II only happened the way it did because of tech limitations at the time.

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Also Buck’s assessment of the differences between Spartan generations is kinda bunk. Not exactly a reliable narrator in this scenario and I don’t like that his wording is used to argue that S-IVs are bad or whatever.

humble yacht
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His opinion is biased based on his experiences seeing and working with Spartans as an odst

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He’s not looking at the different generations objectively

craggy sierra
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Also why tf would you ask for the UNSC to go kidnap more kids?

untold wasp
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i believe spartans worshiped Ares the most but i have to double check

craggy sierra
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I mean spartans were a military force in service to their religion around the greek gods

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But they themselves were still just mortal men

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Not gods or demigods.

unique rune
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This isn’t even the first time they’ve asked if bringing back Spartan-II would be a good idea and I’m thinking they don’t understand why it’d be an absolutely terrible one

stiff fiber
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Say Humanity faces an empire far more powerful than the Peak-Covenant. Would we then stand by and watch our worlds fall one by one another time, or would we have to take drastic actions and attempt to repeat the successes of the Human-Covenant war - namely the Spartan-IIs.

gilded mason
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We have SIVs for that

unique rune
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Spartan-II wasn't even a product of the Human-Covenant War, it was a bad project greenlit by bad people that did bad things to children so they could go do bad things to other people. It just got a lucky break when it just so happened to be effective against the Covenant, which, even then, the Covenant mostly only fell apart due to a bunch of infighting that would've likely happened anyway.

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Spartan-II produced effective killing machines but the costs were atrocious and absolutely unnecessary in the modern Halo universe.

humble yacht
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Even with the spartan IIs, humanity was still largely on the back foot for most of the war

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There simply were too few of them to fully turn the tides of war

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And the reason there were so few was due to the nature of their production

craggy sierra
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Ethically, if the UNSC decided to start kidnapping kids again then I'd hope that ends terribly for them

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There's also the fact that humanity now a days has a very very large number of Elite and Grunt allies to further bolster their position in the universe

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Without having to break every ethical code known to probably every race

fast falcon
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But simply put, SIVs are able to be produced faster, safer, with about as much efficiency as SIIs, while also being able to produce much more units in a much more ethical process

lavish scaffold
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If elites can lay eggs

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Then can eggs lay elites?

stiff fiber
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What came first, the Elite or the Egg?

lavish scaffold
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The

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The came first

stiff fiber
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You make a compelling arguement.

digital parrot
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Spartan 4’s are like weenie hut juniors

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You might not like it but this is what supreme Spartan 2 physique is supposed to look like

vernal notch
versed helm
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if the infinity was completed before the covenant invaded earth would that have changed anything?

gilded mason
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Not really, no.

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It's still only one ship

tacit charm
tacit charm
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the answer can be a swift no or it can be an absolute yes

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but that solely depends on that one escalation page and the description of that cov glassing station

fast falcon
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I was about to say I could consider the Infinity being used as the ship in Red Flag if it were completed, but it’s probably too big and not as maneuverable

tacit charm
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not saying it cant change round or slow down the rounds velocity just pointing out a potential issue

thin yew
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The Infinity so far's gone up against primarily the scattered forces of Jul 'Mdama's Covenant remnants, and then got smacked by a concentrated attack by the Banished.

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It probably wouldnt've made a ton of difference, maybe bought some time alongside the remaining fleets

untold wasp
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and the Prometheans

frigid oar
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“It us a fundamental and may i say undeniable quality of man, when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferrable”- Dr. Leonard Church

gritty gazelle
frigid oar
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Spartan 5 program?

gritty gazelle
tacit charm
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if escalation's description on the cov glassing station is to be taken literally ye gg knocking down those shields outside of light speed ramming

frigid oar
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Future spartan 5 program in the yeard 2600 or womething idk im guessing where kids can train to be a spartan and not be kidnapped

tacit charm
untold wasp
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isn't that spartan III's but with less steps

frigid oar
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Yes

tacit charm
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or

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you can copy paste proto 4s

frigid oar
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Clone the master chief

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ez

tacit charm
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nah

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proto 4s are better

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bar the whole insane thing

tacit charm
terse lava
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The infinity during the war? Wouldn't say it would add much, aside from a few more covie kills. At some point the Covenant would eliminate it

frigid oar
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not if got an escort fleet

terse lava
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If it was used for Red Flag, I am unsure if it could even crack open High Charity

frigid oar
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i think a good combo of marathon and paris class would be good during the covenant war

tacit charm
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and escalations

terse lava
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They would at best be a delaying factor, make themselves thr main targets, while the civilians ships managed to flee

tacit charm
terse lava
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Same, a mere space station could shrug off thr impact of a small moon

tacit charm
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wait do you mean the shields or defences

frigid oar
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well im pretty sure a super mac on an ODP could penetrate more than one coveant ship like 2 cruisers

terse lava
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The best visual we have for Infinity is making a small hole in a thin piece of forerunner alloy, something we see a scarab do in h2

tacit charm
frigid oar
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and since infinits macs are more powerful than ODPS

tacit charm
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it can penetrate much more than that

terse lava
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@tacit charm the shield itself, not that it would ever get thr chance

tacit charm
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so long as if it's the reach version ofc

tacit charm
frigid oar
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Not to mention infinite got 10,000 howler missiles

tacit charm
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gg infinity

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as much as i like those four 2.1 teraton smacs gg

frigid oar
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100 howlers can destroy a fully shielded destryer

tacit charm
tacit charm
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and Thursday wars

terse lava
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Eh, said it before and will say it again. The Infinity has never impressed me

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@tacit charm have not read it

frigid oar
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Mac cannons only described in the books mostly

tacit charm
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huh

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interesting

frigid oar
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only time we seea mac fire in game is halo 2,3,4

terse lava
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Me not reading them is interesting?

frigid oar
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2 is ODP

tacit charm
terse lava
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How so

frigid oar
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3 is battle group victory

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and 4 is infinity

tacit charm
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idk assumed you read most of the books

frigid oar
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well carriers are never meant to be frontline ships

terse lava
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I have read several, just never managed to get my.hands on all of them

tacit charm
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also 2.1 teratons isnt something to laugh off

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let alone four on the infinity's guns

tacit charm
frigid oar
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Plus 10 mass drivers from halo reach

tacit charm
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eh

terse lava
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No book stores nearby, and public library lacks them

tacit charm
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nobody gives two krap about those mass driver

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except the didact

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of all people

tacit charm
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hold

frigid oar
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Or that one covenant cruiser from reach

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that got gutted

terse lava
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It wasn't gutted though

frigid oar
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It got shot in the glassing beam

terse lava
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Just impacted on the charging excavation beam and destroyed it

frigid oar
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Idk man weapons always seem more powerful in books than games

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plasma pistol is OP in books

terse lava
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Of course, its plasma

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A single plasma bolt would kill anyone

versed helm
tacit charm
frigid oar
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except for the halo ce pistol

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that thing dont need no book

terse lava
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Convinced that thing is a early forerunner weapon crafted in the image of a pistol

frigid oar
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To quote from halo devs in halo 2 commentary: “there was a covenant operation to steal all the pistols cause they were so powerful”

terse lava
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Heh

tacit charm
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also if anyone's wondering how strong high charity's shields are all i have is it's < nova bomb or at 777 petatons

terse lava
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Yeah. I expect the only known thing that can easily survive a NOVA would be the Forerunner capital world

tacit charm
terse lava
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Though does now make me wonder how strong High Charity's Shields would be if thr keyship was used at full power, rather than a small fraction

tacit charm
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i just said how strong it might be

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;-;

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might though

terse lava
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@tacit charm those were the obvious exception😛

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I thought your number there was the power of a NOVA bomb exploding

tacit charm
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nah nova is much higher

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also before anyone says oh keyship was powering hc which means forerunner magic can protect nova bomb umm it's because of the keyship that im saying it's < nova since last i checked a keyship isnt more powerful than a forerunner planet cracking platform or mantle's approach

valid hemlock
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who would win tho, high charity or 90 million roentgens of ionizing radiation? smirkle

short plank
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The common cold beat high charity

terse lava
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The flood, the common cold of halo

dense igloo
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Is this Canon?

short plank
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What, high charity getting wrecked by the Flood? If so, yes.

dense igloo
short plank
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Ohh

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Maybe in a fracture timeline :p

terse lava
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How is that even a question...

tawny fox
celest moth
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Does anyone want to be my Halo Lore Teacher?

low whale
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for a high fee yes

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oo had no idea this was coming

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looks interesting

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and nice to see more arby

frigid oar
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Halo encyclopedia 2022 mybeloved

versed helm
versed helm
lone citrus
low whale
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tbh I don't think MC in the books is stupidly OP vs the games, considering he singlehandedly wipes out whole armies in the games

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he do be running fast though

lone citrus
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someone commented that he punched a missile

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bruh

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Is flipping over Elephants with his hands canon?

low whale
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in fall of reach he deflects a missile with one hand

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I'd say the games nerf him for gameplay rather than the other way round tbh

low whale
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totally wipes his shields and I'm pretty sure breaks a lot of bones

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or at least fractures

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and gets blood all up in his visor

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gimme 2 more books and I'll be up to it in my reread lol

lone citrus
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seems pretty lore accurate ngl

low whale
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spartans are meant to be OP af especially in mjolnir

lone citrus
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And to think they were designed to fight against other humans WITHOUT POWER ARMOR

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like damn overkill much?

low whale
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I feel like some of the games really have him as just some guy

lone citrus
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Well, if I want a power fantasy, I'd just play Doom tbh

short plank
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Well they were originally meant to put down the Insurrection so makes sense to make ‘em op as heck

lone citrus
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I mean, mfrs in Spartan armor can probably rip humans from limb from limb lmao

red ravine
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Spartan armour makes you a god

fervent compass
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Spartan-IV’s are only 2.5 times stronger than an average human, which isn’t a lot at all, and if you put one in a Gen2 suit, it amplifies that by 5, making them about 12.5 times the strength of an average human. Spartan-III’s are 3.5 times stronger than an average person, and their armor doesn’t amplify those effects by enough to make a difference. Now, Spartan-II’s are 12 times stronger than your average human. They can lift 3 times their own weight (400lbs is their average weight) and the suits they use (MJOLNIR Mark-VI) amplifies their strength by 5, meaning they can lift over 3.7 metric tons. Basically, when they first made Spartan-II’s (for fighting humans) they were literally unstoppable.

unique rune
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Spartan-IV’s are only 2.5 times stronger than an average human
And this is from... where?

fervent compass
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Sorry, read that wrong, I meant they can lift 2.5 times their own weight (190lbs on average) making them around 4 times stronger than a human

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And the Gen2 suit amplifies that 5, making them extremely powerful

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A little overkill, but gets the job done

gilded mason
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Most SIIs seem to be around the 250 - 300 lbs mark, as an aside

unique rune
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I still just wanna know where like half these numbers are coming from.

gilded mason
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(And quite a few SIVs are in the 270+ range)

unique rune
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The only number I even remotely recognize is the 3x for Spartan-IIs in reference to when they were in their teens, which I don't even know if it necessarily scales up all the way.

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Using John as an average operating under that assumption I'd only expect S-IIs to only really consistently lift about 2.5 tonnes.

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And then there's the whole issue of us not knowing the enhancing capabilities of anything other than the Mk.V platform.

tacit charm
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while injured mind you

spiral jewel
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When it comes to the Gen 3 platform do armors such as Centurion, Ricochet, Hoplite ( and Maybe Orion, but I'm not sure sure if it was made for the Gen 2 platform or if it was a prototype Gen 1 that was made forwards compatible with the Gen 2) ever received Gen 3 Variants or have they yet to receive such models?

thin yew
spiral jewel
thin yew
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Not necessarily

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Just hasn't shown up ingame or any other source yet

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That list is simply what we know of so far.

versed helm
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Can Gen 3 mjolnir be EMPd??

unique rune
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It can be scrambled by electromagnetic pulses, yes. Fred's GEN3 armor is specifically noted as suffering from losing function to its shields, helmet display, weapon targeting sync, and even magnetic mounting points due to bursts from Banished shock rifles in chapter 21 of Shadows of Reach.

dense maple
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What about Gen 1? Does gen1 exist?

thin yew
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Which in some cases is literally just a firmware update to make it work with the new suits meaning the hardware is mostly the same.

dense maple
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What about forerunner's costumes. I know they have costumes like Mjolner but better

thin yew
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But GEN1 as in literally OG unmodified GEN1, no need for that when there's the new suits available.

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Forerunner combat skins aren't used, probably can't be used by design. But there are GEN2 and likely 3 suits that are reverse-engineered from Forerunner (and probably also Forerunner-era human) combat skins

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PREFECT, for instance

tacit charm
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james' still somewhere out there just floating idly by with mark 5 on

dense maple
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i just heard that Guilty spark and Forerunners had a couple skins. 1-12. and guilty spark in Halo : Flood said that master chief need to level up costume to 12.

unique rune
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We don’t know how far up Forerunner combat skin ratings go, just that there’s at least 12.

tacit charm
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wasnt it 18 or something

terse lava
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No that's only the highest known

tacit charm
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hmm

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i could have sworn they said it was up to 18

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remember 11 or 12 to be the norm during the ff war

fast falcon
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So would 1 just be like a t-shirt and shorts lol

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Also what would the MJOLNIR armour rank in there?

tacit charm
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pretty sure spark said mark 5 was tier/rank (whatever) 2

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now

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one could argue

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in infinite specifically that scene where chief blocks a monitor beam Mjolnir could be much higher into the ranking, possibly to the same level as the didact since that dude was also stuck and briefly knocked by a monitor beam

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but honestly that's complete ludicrous

terse lava
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It would still only be ranked as 2, as there is no real difference between the two

tacit charm
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and i will just stick to the monitor being far weaker than something like bloodline monitor, spark and that escalation monitor

versed helm
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Throughout the halo games how does the unsc compare to the covenant technology wise??

tacit charm
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in terms of destructive capabilities

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unsc wins

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via novas

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unless ofc the cov have a crapton of anti matter laying around

terse lava
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There are likely some form of Covenant superweapons laying around

gilded mason
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Yeh, really wouldn't be surprising.

frigid oar
cedar steppe
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I’m ordering the Fall of Reach book, does it take place before or after halo reach (probably before since reach got glassed in the game)

unique rune
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Most of it is set before. It overlaps somewhat towards the end.

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Though Reach's campaign is also filled with odd timeskips that drag out the Battle of Reach out over the course of a month so I don't exactly remember how everything lines up.

cedar steppe
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Ahh ok

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I’ve heard it’s one of the better halo books, is that right?

unique rune
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It's generally pretty well-regarded, though I'm not sure how much of that is due to the actual writing vs the fact that it's basically the foundational piece of a lot of Halo's extended universe.

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I've read it a couple of times and I do like it.

cedar steppe
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I suppose I’ll see for myself when it gets here

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Thanks bro