lore-and-universe

[unique rune]

Carter, Jun, and Emile should all be pretty familiar with each other to some degree, since they're all Alpha Company. Kat and B312 could be argued to also have a little bit more familiarity since they're both Beta. But none of that ever shows through.

[alpine thistle]

Not all dialogue is gonna be outright stated, personally I suggest you watch videos about the Halo reach campaign, those videos will better explain than I could

[unique rune]

I don't need things to be explicitly stated but I also get absolutely no form of implied relationships or history.

There's like, one single interaction before Long Night of Solace, but that's about it.

Even Blue Team, as poorly handled as they were in Halo 5, were still given dialogue to communicate that, yes, they are a team that have known each other for a long time.

[alpine thistle]

Then again, Kat is less familiar with Six so is naturally more uncomfortable. When you see Kat at the marine being dragged by a zealot, she stares at Carter because she's more comfortable with Carter then stares at Six because she's the least familiar with them (atleast what I've gotten)

[inland nymph]

Most people would say Cortana was the brains, and the Chief was the brawn...but Chief still made decisions and had his own ideas. Case in point, jettisoning and riding the Covenant's bomb into one of the super carriers, ultimately buying time for the evacuation of the city.

The story frame's Kat's death as a crippling blow, truly signaling the beginning of the end of the team and the ultimate fate of Reach.

What does Carter's death signify? What were his ideas?

[digital parrot]

When a weapon that uses plasma hits a Spartans armpit does the shield kinda absorb and dissipate the heat before the shield pops off?

From what I seen it takes out shield and then the amour just gets burned through cause of the plasma

[inland nymph]

Depends on how much deodorant they're using.

[unique rune]

Mjolnir's energy shielding should be able to take a couple hits from directed energy weapons but in general they're much less resistant to them than conventional ballistics.

[alpine thistle]

Carter's death imo signifies the end of Noble Team officially, it was just Emile and Six at that point, not much of a team anymore. Every single member of Noble Team was important but Carter was the most important in being a leader so him dying truly showed the end of Noble

[near tide]

Carter wasn’t the end of noble

He simply relayed orders from the higher ups

[unique rune]

Carter's death just feels like "oh geez we need a sacrifice pronto". Like, the Scarab just comes off as being placed there for the sake of creating a heroic sacrifice moment.

[alpine thistle]

Carter telling his team to do their job

Is his job

anyway, gonna go eat, feel free to agree to disagree

[unique rune]

My main problem with that is that Carter's role is basically that of middle management.
He doesn't really do anything like strategize or come up with solutions on his own, he's just there to move things up and down the pipeline. His role is unnecessary in this instance.

It's not like with Blue Team, where we've had examples of John working out ways to approach a solution while organizing his people to play to their strengths.

Hell, Kat basically takes over Carter's job for a mission of Halo Reach and it basically makes no difference.

[inland nymph]

How does Buck compare to Carter?

[alpine thistle]

Buck is Buck, Buck is on his own tier

[inland nymph]

You want to talk about strong personalities butting heads now and then, Halo ODST sets up the formula.

[alpine thistle]

The only character you can compare Buck to is Sgt Johnson

[unique rune]

I think Buck is where the "cares for his men" aspect was more successfully executed. His attitude towards Alpha-Nine is certainly a bit... weary, but his actions show that getting them out alive matters to him.

[tender juniper]

[ebon coyote]

i would like to submit the argument that @tender juniper the Vehicle Destroyer is ALSO in their own tier lol

[tender juniper]

I’m all for it

[ebon coyote]

😛

[gentle iris]

Johnathan Doherty can be shortened to John Doe

[tender juniper]

Or John Doh

[steel stone]

Feel like Six and Emile could of hid behind a wall before the Scarab shot and many more Scarabs show up as well. Think Carter could of been done better but he was ok, cant think of much to say about Noble in general

I would like to know more about Noble Team what I hated about Reach was despite that being the place where Spartans are made (you can correct me on that but im sure Reach is the place where they were born) we only saw 6 Spartans that is very lame

[terse pecan]

How many covenant troops were at reach because if one spartan can literally cripple an entire army's supply chain how can anything stop six

[steel stone]

Didnt almost dozens of Spartans die on Reach?

Poor 6 though he got overwhelmed, guy should hijacked a banshee

[untold wasp]

there were many spartans on reach, i believe most of the spartans died carrying out operation RED FLAG

[steel stone]

Thats what I wanna see in actual gameplay, I saw dozens of them defending some generator. That should of been a DLC mission.

[tacit charm]

alot

[tacit charm]

well they tried

not really

but they tried

[steel stone]

Sure they got stamped in but who wouldnt when theres an army of sword Elites?! did you see the comic of how many Elites there were assaulting them that was like modded 12 vs 25 lobby fight

Thinking of Reach how does it fit with the comic fall of reach? many say it does not

[tacit charm]

the same way the book does

[steel stone]

Thats very easy to grasp thinking about, so the event happen in the background..

[tacit charm]

ye ik but ya know at the end of the day only chief during first strike (there's noble team funnily enough too but eh) initiated some parts of red flag

[steel stone]

Maybe red flag was mentioned in Halo Reach, remember those radios you can listen to? I swear I heard there as a Spartan that went to fight a wraith

[tacit charm]

i dont remember if it was mentioned directly in the radios or the game itself, the noble team stuff is just 6 and jorge boarding that corvette

[near tide]

We saw 19 Spartans and there were maybe 20 more there too

[steel stone]

Its really sad we only got to see them here, they all had the CE armor will really awesome looking helmets and wanted to see more of that. I swear I saw that warrior helmet from Halo 4 at one point that cool

Back then I never thought that the CE armor could not have any helmets and the comic showed some cool ones

[empty tundra]

The ones defending the Orbital Defense Generators were declared MIA when a Covenant Cruiser started ruthlessly bombarding the area

[steel stone]

Did we ever see what happen after the fight? I read the comic book online and I never saw that happen soon after

If they all died that would be really sad because I wanted to see more of their cool armor

If this was turned into a Halo mission just how would this play out? with mods coming out how much of the comics could we recreate?

The mod I think would have to be Halo 3 because Spartan 2s are taller

Maybe make the mod where the Spartan in Reach are just 105% height, think that works..

[empty tundra]

You'd probably need to make the covenant come out in waves similar to firefight
Otherwise the game would overload

[steel stone]

Imagine defending generators with AI Spartans using turrets and your the last one standing and its like Lone wolves ending, that would be sick

[empty tundra]

It would be

[obsidian thistle]

Buck is still alive. 😉

[stuck star]

Buck is only alive because of Noble 6

[loud kestrel]

its not a regular team either

they pulled the best spartans to be the best spartan team

[unique rune]

I mean, that doesn’t really excuse my issues with it.

It’s a really bizarre composition that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

[loud kestrel]

what in the halo universe does?

its all complicated

all has some backstory

[unique rune]

Most Spartan teams generally at least make sense though.

This mixed composition doesn’t.

Why would they pull Jorge from the other Spartan-IIs for Noble?

Putting Alpha and Beta S-IIIs in the same unit doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either.

[loud kestrel]

why wouldnt they?

their all spartans

[unique rune]

Because they’re all different generations of Spartans?

[loud kestrel]

so?

u dont keep veteran marines and rookie marines separate

they fight together

[unique rune]

Maybe because Marines are far cheaper and easier to have mixed units of

[loud kestrel]

and besides their all skilled, they all show a lot of reason to be in noble team

[unique rune]

You’d get better unit cohesion if the entire unit was made of the same generation of Spartan because they’d all have an easy baseline understanding of each other from the get go

Especially with S-III Beta Company, considering unit cohesion and teamwork was heavily emphasized in their training

[loud kestrel]

ok well tell me why they shouldnt have the members they chose on noble team?

[unique rune]

I… literally just said?

[loud kestrel]

if thats it, thats no real issue

over time they form a bond and generally know each other like close friends/family

what with not having anyone else

[unique rune]

I mean, I still don’t think that’s a good excuse.

[loud kestrel]

well then neither of us have solid points and this is gonna go on for awhile lmao

[unique rune]

They would’ve already had preexisting relationships with Spartans in their own units, only to get pulled out to get stuffed in a nonsensical mishmash.

[loud kestrel]

so u pick the best 6 spartans of alpha and beta groups, and maybe add some other skilled spartans, this leads u to noble team, the group that is sent on high risk missions

their skilled, work well together, and get a lot done

they alone fought the covenant on reach, with the help of a little bit of marines and support, without them as the team reach wouldve fallen much quicker

[unique rune]

I mean, they might do well in operations together but my entire issue is how anyone would’ve thought to put them together that way in the first place.

[loud kestrel]

it worked didnt it?

so why question it

[unique rune]

That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a good idea, or an ideal solution

Especially with Kurt still having some role in the organization of S-IIIs

[loud kestrel]

yeah but in times like their in, what other choices do they have?

their losing to the covenant badly

[unique rune]

I mean, it’s not like they were particularly short on Spartan-IIIs to work with

[loud kestrel]

they are now...

[unique rune]

They had at least five Alpha Company members available when originally arranging Noble

[loud kestrel]

after all the big attacks where they walked away with no surviving spartans

i forget the attacks but i know the 2 where alpha and beta company basically died

[unique rune]

And my entire problem is that Bungie didn’t have to write them as being from different groups of Spartans to begin with

[loud kestrel]

so whats ur problem with carter and noble team then?

[unique rune]

They could’ve easily just made them all S-III Alpha or S-III Beta

Or with their flagrant disregard of the Fall of Reach novel they could’ve just been all S-II

[loud kestrel]

were having the whole conversation but what do u hope to get from this?

[unique rune]

My problem is that they’re loaded with bizarre writing decisions that I think takes away from either their (bare minimum) characters and overall place in the universe

[loud kestrel]

then dont think of this as a writer, think of this is u were part of the universe, desperate times call for desperate measures

they needed the best, they made a team of the best

they performed their duties and took out a lot of covenant and had a successful mission

[unique rune]

Except the writer is the one who wrote them for this situation in the first place

I can handwave strange or stupid writing decisions all day because “in-universe reasons” but that doesn’t exempt them from being confounding choices in the first place that sometimes even undermine their in-universe existence

[loud kestrel]

i still dont really get why noble team is weird to u, im just gonna back outve the convo

[steel stone]

Maybe they wanted to boost the motivation of Noble team by having Jorge added to their team? noble 6 replaced another spartan that died maybe there was some story with how they were feeling at the time

Its very half baked if you ask me

[unique rune]

The thing about that though is that Jorge was a member of the team before Thom died

So for whatever reason the UNSC pulled an S-II to be part of a team of S-IIIs

[steel stone]

I think yeah he was.

[thin yew]

re: NOBLE, their members were already pulled out of Alpha and Beta fairly early on, and they had already incurred heavy casualties over time. Only Carter and Cat were original members

They were still being sent out on basically suicide missions, they just saw promise to be utilized as nearly S-II's rather than the trained cannon fodder of the other III's

[near tide]

Not really

[thin yew]

Jorge might've been transferred over for any number of reasons. Experience to help get new transfers situated, heavy support courtesy of his modified armor, etc.

[steel stone]

From what I know Reach was pretty much going to be wrecked maybe they paired Jorge with Noble to help and increase Nobles survival

[near tide]

I doubt it

[thin yew]

NOBLE was there as a pseudo-II team to begin with, it wasn't exactly common knowledge that they were III's

[near tide]

He was with them a while

[unique rune]

Noble wasn't even sent to Reach because of the Fall of Reach

Mostly because no one knew Reach was going to fall to begin with

Jorge had been on the roster for a while

[steel stone]

That too, only way I knew they were Spartan 3s was the zoom in hud in the gameplay

[thin yew]

Scant few people knew about RED FLAG or that Reach was potentially going to be sacrificed for it

NOBLE was operating as normal

[steel stone]

And Noble had shields something the 2s lacked during the Fall of Reach. You can tell they lacked shield's because you first get them as Chief in Halo 1

[thin yew]

Incorrect

[steel stone]

So the Mark 5 B was not the only armor that had shields?

Back then of course

[unique rune]

UNSC energy shield prototypes for MJOLNIR existed as far back as 2531

[thin yew]

Mark V(B) is the first version of Mark V

Chief got the later Mark V

[gilded mason]

Sadly

[unique rune]

not now Ostral

[gilded mason]

lol

[steel stone]

Yeah I figured because its called B, maybe for beta?

[thin yew]

Strictly speaking it's not canon that the Mark IV's in Halo Wars had shields, that's just gameplay. In cutscenes you see they don't have them.

[unique rune]

343 has retconned that bit though
for whatever reason

[steel stone]

If your saying thats true then how did Chief lack shield's at the start of Halo 1?

[unique rune]

the original intent was for the shields to be gameplay-only but 343's current stance is that Red had some form of prototypes

[thin yew]

... what are you talking about?

His suit was offline, he didn't lack shields

[near tide]

Weren’t all of the II’s given energy shielding before the fall of reach?

Or just chief?

[steel stone]

I think Im a little mixed up XDD

[unique rune]

All of the S-IIs that were able to get moved to Mk.V got shielding

[thin yew]

the Mark V suits were the first to introduce energy shields as a baseline

that includes the V(B)'s that NOBLE used

[steel stone]

So example when those Spartan's during the Fall of Reach comic they had shield's?

[thin yew]

If they were in Mark V's by that point, then yes.

[steel stone]

Ah ok

[thin yew]

That was one of the primary innovations of the Mark V

[steel stone]

I learned a long time back they got the shield system from a salvaged Jackal shield, is that right?

[gilded mason]

Yup

[steel stone]

That is really cool thinking about, still wish I could pick one up in the gameplay

[unique rune]

Yeah, UNSC shielding systems are largely derived from advancements gleaned from a scavenged point-defense gauntlet.

[thin yew]

That and a proper neural lace for housing AI's, which the V(B)'s actually lack, that wasn't implemented until just in time for the Chief to test out working with Cortana in a full-release Mark V

[near tide]

I really want to see if nizats trackers worked

[steel stone]

Yeah thats it, remember that part

I have a question if the spartan shields came from Jackal gauntlets then why are the Spartan shield colour gold? why is not red or blue like the Jackals?

[gilded mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thin yew]

Jackal shields come in multiple colors too

[steel stone]

I think its because gold is a cooler colour, wanted to see a red shield that would look sick on a Spartan

[thin yew]

There's any number of reasons for the color, to my knowledge it's not actually detailed. They just made the shields gold.

Possibly to complement the green of most Mjolnir suits and their golden visors.

[steel stone]

Yeah

[inland nymph]

Shield tech is a bit of a leap forward for power armor. Chief's Mark V in Halo was the mass-production version, as much as power armor could be considered to be mass-produced back then. It doesn't make sense that the mass-production version would be the first to have a major feature like that.

I'm inclined to think if the Mark V had anything really unique to it, it'd be the AI network. UNSC AI tech was completely homegrown, something they were really familiar with, and could build around more easily than shield-tech, which was reverse engineered from the Covenant.

Unfortunately, I think the Spartan III in Halo Wars 2 picked up an AI the same way the Chief does. Chalk that up to several decades of the Chief interacting with Cortana the way he does.

[thin yew]

@inland nymph They snag Isabel's chip but she doesn't interface with them that first time.

Seems like it was just a storage compartment with maybe limited capability. It wasn't until the mainline Mark V that there was a full connection.

And in HW2, they later upgrade their suits with GEN2 components anyway.

[inland nymph]

Isabel is the worst designed AI in the setting. She looks like a boy scout, and that's it. No flare. AI can look like anything, and that's how she ended up? Her donor must have been the most boring person ever.

[unique rune]

I mean. Serina's holo avatar wasn't particularly exciting. And Black-Box picked... a literal black box for an avatar.

Then there's Gabriela, who more or less just looks like a UNSC Admiral.

[inland nymph]

Serina's rocking the British super model look.

She's also got a fun personality.

[loud kestrel]

jorge would be a great addition to the team, his armor would have shielding, although didnt they do that for the SIII's on noble team anyways? and jorges build is tanky, he'd be able to go on the front lines of a battle and take all the hits

[inland nymph]

Isabel's an emo teenage boy suffering from PTSD.

[unique rune]

Isabel is a logistics AI for a research facility, I don't really see the issue with her holo avatar being rather plain.

[inland nymph]

What an AI looks like is based on an incredible number of factors, but their assignment isn't one of them.

I don't think AI even get to choose exactly.

[unique rune]

They get to choose on their own.

Sometimes it's derived from their brain donor's physical appearance.

[inland nymph]

It's like being born for them. They get to choose their avatar as much as you or I get to choose how we look.

If it were really a choice, they could choose to alter it, but they can't.

[unique rune]

BB says they're able to choose their appearance in Glasslands, so...

[inland nymph]

Well that's a retcon.

[unique rune]

Retcon or not, it's still canon.

[inland nymph]

lol

Halo lore

[unique rune]

Unless his human donor was also a black cube with an internal glow, I don't have any reason to not believe it.

[inland nymph]

What they look like can vary quite a bit. In an early scene in Fall of Reach, Halsey is confronted by an ONI AI who literally looks like an imp.

All firey and demonic. Can't remember if he had a pitchfork or not, that might have been me adding a little something in my mind's eye.

[unique rune]

But why would any of that necessitate a Spartan-II? Standing out up front to tank gunfire is also... pretty stupid, considering Mjolnir is only able to briefly hold up against Covenant plasma weapons. Most of what makes Spartans hard to kill is their enhanced strength and reflexes, not bullet sponginess.

[inland nymph]

Serina's only human memory was her kissing a boy. I wonder if most Ai don't remember their previous lives, with Cortana being an obvious exception?

[unique rune]

I don't think it's particularly common, other than some of the donor's mannerisms occasionally carrying over to the AI. Most don't seem to have much more than vague feelings when it comes to residual memories as far as most official media seems to be concerned.

[terse lava]

I think she had a few other memories, but she ran "very detailed" simulations on that particular one

[tacit charm]

you mean jorge the same guy who thought sending the cso supercarrier to another dimension was the only way to destroy the ship instead of using an odp

[versed helm]

Who here thinks the harbinger is not an endless

[gilded mason]

She is

[versed helm]

Ik but to the people who don't think she is I have proof she is

But the question is are the skimmers endless

They aren't as intelligent as the harbinger

[gilded mason]

Kinda vague. They're also called "Gasgira" as opposed to "Xalanyn"

[versed helm]

I think there the banished equivalent to the drones from halo 2 3 and odst

[velvet rose]

would making a city on a halo be possible

[gilded mason]

Yes

[gilded mason]

What do you mean by "Banished equivalent"?

[versed helm]

Instead of drones the banished use skimmers

[gilded mason]

The Banished have never seen them before this, if you're saying they're already known to them.

[versed helm]

I mean they wear red the banished color and white like an ultra similar to grunt and elite ultras

So they must be working for the banished

[gilded mason]

"I do not understand the infatuation with these skittering thrustbugs, brother. The Skimmers present more nuisance than aid to our efforts. I am convinced they - much like their leader - have their own agenda."

They are not originally of the Banished

[versed helm]

Ik but they could be working for the banished

[gilded mason]

In the same way that the Harbinger is, sure.

[versed helm]

Yes the harbinger gave the banished some of her skimmer crew

Makes sense

What if the engineers from odst are the inspiration for skimmers

They have growling noises that sound similar take a listen to how skimmers and engineers sound and look at there tentacles kinda similar

[terse lava]

The Huragok didn't originate from ODST, they have been part of the lore since the beginning. As for inspiration on the Skimmers, no true resemblance between the two besides floating

[versed helm]

They sound similar

[velvet rose]

isn't there a ce model of them

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[inland nymph]

The Huragok are an artificial life-form. I don't know if their origins have ever ben revealed.

[granite violet]

Is noble 6 female or male

I thought he was male

But apparently noble 6 is Natalie B312

Oh never mind that's not canob

Canon*

[scarlet hinge]

343's official stance is that Six is a male, though he's currently unnamed

yeah it sounds like you read some fanon

[granite violet]

Ye lol I didn't realise it was fanon and I was so confused

[humble yacht]

Gotta be careful which wiki you go to

Halopedia is general held as the best wiki

[manic fox]

this may be a dumb question, but in the final cutscene of halo 4 when a pelican flies down to earth, is that ment to show us that the didact killed everyone on the planet?

[digital parrot]

People are still on earth I believe

But didact did a bad

[manic fox]

alright, thanks!

got a bit confused lol

[untold wasp]

just turned everyone in New Phoenix to digital dust

[versed helm]

Harbinger is just the girl didact

They act the same

[vernal notch]

Somewhat same cringey goals too

[versed helm]

So the rookies name be revealed by a preview of the halo encyclopedia on Amazon thoughts?

[near tide]

Forerunners made them

[manic fox]

I played halo for the first time last year, and I just wanna ask, which campaign did you guys think was the best? Not gameplay, purely the story being told

[unique rune]

For me it’d probably be either Halo 4 or the Arbiter’s half of Halo 2.

[hardy light]

Halo 2

4’s story was unnecessary

[fast falcon]

Prob gotta agree that the best story was Halo 4

[versed helm]

what is the best ship in halo existence?

[empty tundra]

Probably one of the Forerunner ships used during the Forerunner-Flood war
Either one of them or High Charity

[versed helm]

ok.

[versed helm]

Charity isn’t really a ship, its a space station, it doesn’t have a slipspace drive or the capacity to travel iirc.

[empty tundra]

Does it not have a Slipspace drive?
https://youtu.be/8F7OgOCzph4?t=1625

[versed helm]

side question: how does the infinity compare to forerunner ships?

[empty tundra]

Did high charity get assistance from its support fleet?

[versed helm]

The forerunner ships are somewhat mysterious but it would not be a stretch to assume that every forerunner craft is superior to anything by post-forerunner-war humanity

given the technology the forerunners have access to as a Tier 1 species

[versed helm]

ok. so how fast would the infinity get defeated if it fought a forerunner ship? just curious.

[versed helm]

Theoretically? Instantly, why?

[versed helm]

if they were to theoretically fight. im just curious.

they did fight, the forerunners won even before they devolved

[long shore]

infinity has a bunch of frigates underslung though. if we count those then its a small fleet vs a forerunner ship. i think the infinity would last for a good while

[versed helm]

Including the frigates? I have no idea, I would assume that forerunner artillery is pretty terrifying.

[tacit charm]

star roads

[versed helm]

Not a ship.

[tacit charm]

on a serious note it's whatever ship/s that moved/destroyed stars

[versed helm]

Thats like saying fibre optic cable is a car.

[tacit charm]

and that one ship that took a decent chunk out of og 07

[versed helm]

You could argue the glassing ships are a menace.

[tacit charm]

eh

cov are heavily overrated

ik cause i looked into how powerful their ships are

imagine being taken out by 30 megatons

[tacit charm]

pretty sure it was considered a destroyer by forerunner standards

[versed helm]

Aren’t some Covenant craft capable to singlehandedly glass a small planet?

Maybe not in the canon.

[tacit charm]

depends how small it is plus what's the composition but for the most part no

or not in a quick amount of time

[versed helm]

Are there any examples of covenant ships attempting to glass a destroyer? It depends on if the plasma bombardment is actually fired or if it operates more like a bomb.

[tacit charm]

oh gee idk maybe look at the entire human covenant war

you werent specific in which destroyers

[versed helm]

I mean in coordinating an attack similar to a glassing, not using the broadside artillery but instead the actual bombardment mechanisms, obviously.

Has a destroyer ever been bombed in such a way? Not in the sense of the Space Pickle, but rather a glassing protocol used on a ship out of orbit.

[tacit charm]

for the most part yes though it really depends if the mantle's approach had shields or not during the end halo 4 cause those infinity smacs might be mich more powerful than the 2.1 teraton refits

[versed helm]

Im also curious about the efficacy of something like the artillery of a stationary scarab — i.e. Halo Wars 1 — onto the broadside of a destroyer.

[tacit charm]

i mean if you look at the fall of reach there were tons of ships like frigates and destroyers getting sniped by the cov sniper ship

[bright jacinth]

I've really been enjoying Atriox's character lately

He's less of a villain and more of a morally grey character

[versed helm]

This is not what I’m talking about.

[tacit charm]

[versed helm]

That’s not the same if the plasma bombardment relies on gravity versus propulsion or expulsion, think of a plane dropping a bomb from it’s hold versus it firing a missile in-air.

[tacit charm]

again that covenant sniper ship was basically glassing ships out the umm air? vacuum of space whatever

[versed helm]

Link to Halopedia article?

[tacit charm]

just search up covenant sniper ship

[versed helm]

Glassing is a different mechanism than standard artillery iirc.

[tacit charm]

it is

[versed helm]

Do you mean the Supercruiser?

[tacit charm]

no

cov sniper ship from fall of reach

[fast falcon]

He’s both. He’s a villain in the fact that his evil actions drive the plot of Infinite and Wars 2 but he has morally grey aspects to him

[tacit charm]

there was/is only sniper ship so far

[versed helm]

There is no officially named “sniper ship” but the supercruiser is returned and is sometimes referred to as a snipers.

[tacit charm]

🤔 did you type wrong

https://www.halopedia.org/Unidentified_Covenant_warship

[versed helm]

It seems equivalent in firepower to a super cruiser.

[tacit charm]

never heard of a cov super cruiser

[versed helm]

And no, I mean a ship specialized for glassing.

[versed helm]

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Covenant_supercruiser

[tacit charm]

ew halo fandom

dont use that

[versed helm]

The glassing ships energy projectors are not radially mounted as the Supercruisers or the Unidentified craft is.

[tacit charm]

also that's literally the sniper ship i said before

[versed helm]

Potentially, the other craft wasnt explicity identified as a supercruiser.

[tacit charm]

cause

there's no such thing as a super cruiser

it's just an unknown covenant sniper ship that never appeared again

[versed helm]

The supercruiser is an established craft. It seems as if its more commonly used to refer to the unidentified ship.

It’s not an official term, but Halopedia redirects from Covenant Supercruiser to the craft above.

This is all just semantic though and not really relevanr to the question.

[versed helm]

This also assumes that the class of ship you’re referencing was the only one produced/deployed and there were no other ships in its class, the question is: What is the class of the Unidentified Ship?

[tacit charm]

no

the ship that can shoot 100,000km away has never appeared again in lore

[versed helm]

It’s obviously not a regular cruiser, because of its nontraditional armament, so its either a class of ship beyond “cruiser” or it’s unique.

[versed helm]

Sure, but just because it wasn’t encountered doesn’t mean it wasn’t part of another class/deployed elsewhere.

The stationary scarab gun only appeared in Halo Wars, but there’s a good chance that it was used elsewhere, like for excavation of sacred relics.

[tacit charm]

nah there's no other similar ships to this that has ever been described in lore or encountered by the unsc or remnant cov, tbh this ship kinda seems to be one of a kind

unless you're using halopedia's cruddy description on energy projectors then i guess every cov ship is a sniper ship

[versed helm]

You’re telling me that the covenant manufactured this cruiser capable of carrying thousands of personnel and a radially mounted, potentially modified energy projector and it either has no class or is simply a cruiser?

[empty tundra]

They just decided to do some field testing and decided it was to OP and didn't use it

[versed helm]

No, I’m talking about radially mounted energy projectors that can actually target craft rather than projectors mounted to the bottom.

[tacit charm]

not saying that it has no class just saying either it's just beyond rare or is literally just one of a kind

[versed helm]

Nerfed

[tacit charm]

would explain alot lol

[versed helm]

So how would you classify it if it is unique?

[tacit charm]

cause of the 100,000km projector

[empty tundra]

OP Class Cruiser

[versed helm]

weren't they trying to exterminate humanity though? why NOT use it?

[versed helm]

Re-read my message.

[tacit charm]

last i checked no other cov ships in halo has ever fought at that distance

[tacit charm]

idk sniper ship

[versed helm]

The halopedia wiki also makes several references (Epsilon Eridani, Fall of Reach Timeline) to the “sniper ship” as a supercruiser

[tacit charm]

does it?

[versed helm]

If the halopedia is assumed to be correct, this claim is substantiated by it.

Yes

[tacit charm]

i serached super and there's nothing on pedia that says super cruiser

[tacit charm]

pedia can be wrong alot of times

[versed helm]

Search “Supercruiser.”

[tacit charm]

it only shows fandom

and links to me the sniper ship

[versed helm]

There is never a ship referred to as being a “Sniper ship” except on the Halo Fandom Wiki.

I thought we weren’t using the Fandom wiki? 🤔

https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?search=supercruiser&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns104=1

[tacit charm]

who said it's officially called an actual sniper ship i just called it that cause of the bloody 100k distance

[versed helm]

Within is the source we have agreed upon using referring to the ship as a “supercruiser.”

[tacit charm]

https://www.halopedia.org/Unidentified_Covenant_warship

[versed helm]

I didn’t say you did, I’m saying is that it’s more appropriate to call it a Supercruiser as that seems what it is understood to be.

That link redirects from “Supercruiser.”

https://www.halopedia.org/Covenant_Supercruiser

[tacit charm]

ohh ik why you bloody called it the supercruiser ye that not sure that's an actual thing they used in the books

could literally just be poor choice of words

[versed helm]

It seems to be what the community calls it, so for the sake of avoiding confusion I’ll call it a supercruiser.

[tacit charm]

eh im calling it sniper ship

[versed helm]

Sure.

[tacit charm]

cause no other ship has ever shot their projector at 100,000km

[versed helm]

You keep saying 100,000km, where are you finding that? Just curious.

[tacit charm]

it's fall of reach but there's no way im finding the exact quote rn

[versed helm]

The wiki actually calls it a Capital Ship, which is something referred to more frequently in the lore. So we could both be wrong on an empirical level.

[tacit charm]

there's also some plasma torpedoes in fall of reach that travel half the speed of light that's never seen again so that's interesting

also pretty sure you can find the figure (wrongfully add mind you) on the energy projector page

[versed helm]

That seems physically implausible.

[tacit charm]

it should be

but it's there

there's also a 30km/s figure for frigate macs that for some reason people ignore despite the numbers for covenant shielding actually pointing it

[versed helm]

No, I believe you.

[tacit charm]

ik

just saying it's still there

even after the re releases

honestly i just think those torpedoes just had no mass because there's no way (unless those torpedoes weighed like one nano gram) that cov destroyer surviving those torpedoes

[tacit charm]

also just found it

The titanic Covenant vessel Keyes had seen before was back. It red its
brilliant blue-white beam—a lance across space—that struck the destroyer
Herodotus, one hundred thousand kilometers distant. The beam cut clean
through the ship, stem to stern, bisecting her.

also one of my friend just calculated the total amount of energy for glassing is around 172 teratons so it's interesting how one of the infinity's smacs has the equivalent of 1% of that energy

[versed helm]

How did we win? Jesus.

[tacit charm]

kinda funny how the cov need hundreds of ships to do that, im not even sure if the kholo elite's dude comments on glassing line actually states covering the 'entire planet's surface' literally means covering it with obsidian or just glassing one section and going to the next and continuing it until all you went around the planet and glassed all the population centres or similar

[tacit charm]

Star Wars

[versed helm]

There are two different glassing configurations iirc.

[tacit charm]

there's orbital bombardment and low altitude bombardment and the former is what that kholo elite was talking about

[versed helm]

One of them is the criss-cross like you said.

[tacit charm]

also even more interesting, the line whole line might actually include the cso cause last i checked the man wouldnt be saying such things about glassing if the cov had a few csos lying around

[versed helm]

A few factors that played as advantage for Humanity.

The culture of the Covenant at the time.

Destroying the Ring, which led to Vadam to be shamed and turned out into an Arbiter.

The Great Schism happening when Humanity is just about to be extincted.

Humanity counting with less than 1.5k ships at the time ( Indication that they had way more by the beginning of the war, and indication that the UNSC suffered extreme and insane losses )..

The lucky death of the Imperial Admiral via the NOVA of Whitcomb.

The sacrifice of top UNSC leaders ( Such as Whitcomb or Cole ).

The survival of a few top leaders ( Harper, Hood, etc. )

And the proper usage of naval hit n' run tactics over the big Jiralhanae Fleet after the Schism, which, after weeks, fell down.

The death of the high, senior, minor and junior hierarch of the Covenant.

Chief killed Truth, and left Humanity fighting for the next weeks to fight the remaining Jiralhanae naval and ground forces at Sol System.

[humble yacht]

Chief didn’t kill truth

[alpine thistle]

Halo 2

[humble yacht]

thel did

[versed helm]

oh yeah

Thel did.

Anyways the same thing.

All in the span of four months.

[humble yacht]

Also I’m pretty sure that all the covenant forces left earth when the ark portal opened

Maybe some ground forces were left behind but that was probably minimal and not really too much of an issue for the unsc to mop up

Especially considering the majority of their remaining forces stayed on earth instead of going through the portal with the elites

Iirc the only human vessel to leave was the Dawn

[versed helm]

Nope.

Truth says inside the Scarab that a little amount of ships passed through the portal.

The whole Jiralhanae fleet stayed behind.

It is stated that Harper and Hood commanded naval operations, taking resources and ships from other colonies and procceding with hit and run attacks against the Jiralhanae.

[humble yacht]

That makes no sense

A portal to the ark opens and truth doesn’t take 100% of his forces? No wonder he lost

[versed helm]

By this time, the Prophet of Truth led the largest Covenant invasion force recorded by the UNSC at that point in the war to Earth: a very massive Covenant combined armada, presumably both larger than the one used during the Fall of Reach and containing at least over three hundreds ships – including the remaining loyalist starships and fleets of the High Charity defense fleet – as the final contingent of his forces.

Over three hundred vessels.

There were over 1.5k thousand ships by late 2552 and by the end of the war only 1k survived.

UNSC ships ^

At the outcome of space engagments, almost the entire UNSC Home Fleet, hence many entire smaller fleets, has been utterly overrun by the outnumbering and outgunning Covenant naval forces, though it was likely that most of the overwhelming Covenant fleet, mostly the capital ships, was in return destroyed by the UNSC defenders, mainly due to Earth's formidable and fierce defense and Hood's brilliant leadership, especially thanks to multiple defending "Super" MAC-equipped orbital defense platforms, throughout the Battle for Earth. After demolishing most of Earth defenses, the recently-victorious Covenant fleet then lead a colossal bombardment on Earth, causing extreme terrestrial casualties and damaging much of the surface of the planet. The Cairo Station survived the final space battle relatively intact, albeit left damaged.

So yeah, Chief and Vadam along his fleet toyed with a dozen of ships that Truth brought.

[tepid jetty]

that is why should have just crossed a river and flanked them from the other side

[inland nymph]

That doesn't really sound right.

[tepid jetty]

bro you questiong Washington?

that what Ithought

[inland nymph]

Going off of Halo 2, the Covenant civil war started in earnest before Truth fled to Earth. Despite the betrayal, the Elites turned things around on the Brutes. That and the Flood invasion of High Charity prompted Truth to abandon everything.

The Arbiter's forces mostly remained around High Charity, attempting to prevent the Flood from spreading. They couldn't do anything about High Charity itself fleeing through slipspace to Earth's portal.

The Covenant and associated species are quite crippled after Halo 3. Humanity doesn't have many ships left either. The bombardment of the Keyship was basically all they had left. Half a dozen ships or so.

[terse cradle]

Ok, so a quick question.
Are there female female equivalents of the Covenants species?
I know there are for the brutes.
But I want to know about the elites, grunts, prophets, and drones.

[gilded mason]

Yes

To all mentioned

[terse cradle]

Alright thank you

[loud kestrel]

definitely 2, it had so much awesome juicy lore going on

[loud kestrel]

if that was true then why is the banished even slightly a threat to the unsc?

[loud kestrel]

guys are we reviving that old conversation?

[terse cradle]

What old conversation?

[loud kestrel]

😈

[terse cradle]

No seriously, what old conversation?
I'm pretty new here.

[loud kestrel]

lmao nothing, if they want it back they'll bring it up if not then no

[versed helm]

Since we know the rookie name do you guy think 343 will release noble six name? Lol

[loud kestrel]

rookie has a name?

[terse cradle]

Wait really?

[loud kestrel]

about noble six, no i dont think so

noble six in the game, u can choose the gender and as such giving noble six a name would take away the ability of being your own person in halo reach

somewhat anyways

[terse cradle]

Yea, plus the amount of "black ink" on their report or whatever it's called, is supposedly alot.

[versed helm]

Rookie name is Jonathan Doherty. Source is from the upcoming halo encyclopedia

[loud kestrel]

u mean halopedia?

[gilded mason]

No

The Encyclopedia coming out in a couple months

[versed helm]

In two months

[unique rune]

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they end up giving B312 a name at some point.

They've already given given him a canonical gender and armor configuration, so a name probably wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Though with that said, the Rookie's always had known initials that they could work with whereas B312 still just has his number.

[native jasper]

uh so im confused when the grunt rebellion happened is it after halo 2 or during halo 2 or even before

[unique rune]

Many years before Halo 2

[versed helm]

2462 39th Age of conflict is the beginning of the rebellion

[native jasper]

ah i see

[versed helm]

You can learn more in terminal 10 in halo 2A

[native jasper]

interesting

[untold wasp]

There was multiple grunt rebellions

[versed helm]

To sum it up the grunts were tried using for cannon fire and the only person that treated them with respect was the arbiter

[untold wasp]

I mean they are still not really treated with respect

[versed helm]

@inland nymph If they had a dozen ships they wouldn't have been able to defeat the Covenant armada. Truth unified a few large fleets including what was left behind of the Charity Defense Fleet.

[versed helm]

That’s true

[untold wasp]

I think with the arbiter’s group probably

[versed helm]

About the thousand ships I remember reading it somewhere in the Halopedia.

@loud kestrel Cause the UNSC lost organization after Cortana used the Guardians to disable most of the fleets available, the UNSC are merely remnant fragments, attempting to survive, while the Banished can pick this small groups and wipe them out.

Also I think I went up with the number, it wasn't 1k, it was over a few hundred by the end of the war.

A statement found in Warfleet.

So UNSC had resources to fight the fleets on Sol System.

[versed helm]

did the covenant attack the other planets in earth's solar system before attacking humanity's homeworld?

[loud kestrel]

their adorable

[unique rune]

Mars came under attack but for the most part the Covenant went straight for Earth.

[versed helm]

so did defense fleets for other planets not do anything or did the covenant stay out of range from them?

[unique rune]

The Covenant largely ignored them. Mars' defense forces were able to delay the Covenant's advance a bit.

[versed helm]

ok.

[inland nymph]

The UNSC didn't defeat Truth's fleet. They got clobbered. Truth was all in on going to the Ark and activating the rings. The Covenant basically ignored everything, consolidating at the gate instead.

They even said they didn't have very many ships left.

[untold wasp]

grunts are cool

[untold wasp]

in halo 2 didn't they lose high charity and most ships, since most were controlled by elites?

[inland nymph]

Yeah, consider; the Elites went 3 to 1 against the Brutes at the Ark. After the smoke cleared, the only ship they had left was their super carrier. Which itself got skewered by some High Charity debris as it crash landed.

The Brutes and the Elites fought a naval battle over High Charity. The Elites won, but it cost them alot.

[ebon coyote]

following up on @inland nymph mentioning the destruction of earths home fleet...did the ODP network take any further damage??

because at the end of H5 it looked like there was VERY little that remained of the ODP network let alone the home fleet

[versed helm]

@inland nymph I believe they did, Hood stated they did hit and run attacks on Jiralhanae craft for several weeks.

Truth only passed the portal with a dozen of ships.

There were over 320 ships which made the largest invasion armada.

Cole had to use 100 Shivas to blow up a gas giant and destroy that amount.

Plus, he lost his fleet and likely his life during this conflict.

There was 300 ODPs but as previously mentioned the Jiralhanae fleet obliterated through what was left of the Home Defense Fleet.

[ebon coyote]

the first battle of earth had 15 covenant capital ships...and cole was not present for the second battle of earth it was fleet admiral harper...that i know of anyways

[versed helm]

I'm refering to Cole's last battle.

Not Earth.

Cole died way before.

[ebon coyote]

OHHH so the battle of psi serpentis

[versed helm]

Regret came with three capital ships and several cruisers.

[gilded mason]

Cruisers also count as capital ships.

[ebon coyote]

yeah Regret had 15 ships left as a direct result of the conclusion of Operation: First Strike

[versed helm]

Later on, beginning November, Truth brought a whole armada made of several fleets, including the remaining of Charity Defense Fleet, to Earth, it was over 300 ships.

[gilded mason]

You mean Truth?

[ebon coyote]

it was truth??

[gilded mason]

...Yes

[versed helm]

It's stated that the UNSC lost lots of resources.

[ebon coyote]

thought it was Regret...cuz we didnt kill truth we killed Regret

[gilded mason]

First Strike didn't kill any hierarch

[ebon coyote]

no i mean during H2

[versed helm]

The Battle of the Ark was with the Fifth fleet.

[ebon coyote]

so it was Truths fleet that was obliterated at teh "Uneven Elephant"??

[gilded mason]

First Strike was Truth's fleet, then Regret jumped to Earth with his small excavation fleet a little bit later, @ebon coyote

[ebon coyote]

oh well ill go shove myself off a cliff then lol

my apologies

[versed helm]

That was a giant armada composed on mainly Jiralhanae that Truth massed.

[gilded mason]

👋

[versed helm]

The first armada.

[ebon coyote]

lmao Ostral

[versed wing]

Why weren’t the CSO cov carriers more common?

[ebon coyote]

again my apologies

i must have gotten my hierarchs confused

[versed helm]

They were 30 long kilometer ships, full of hundreds of vehicles and thousands of warriors and crew members.

[gilded mason]

They might have been. For all we know, many battles with no UNSC survivors had them, but because they were never reported, they're not known of.

[versed helm]

Anyways, Truth's loss of the first armada forced him to make another ( also mainly of Jiralhanae ).

Rest in peace Jiralhanae warriors, killed in mass in naval engagement.

[ebon coyote]

not ALL brutes are complete booty heads...just the banished lol

[versed helm]

Remind me of the Unggoy, too sad Jiralhanae were in danger of extinction and are more now with Doisac having blown up.

Anyways, UNSC needed a large amount of craft, Warfleet states that they had a few hundred ships left.

Meaning they could have around 800-1000 by late 2552.

As only a few hundred survived.

[ebon coyote]

if there is one species of the Covenant i want to survive it is the Unggoy...

unpopular opinion i am sure...but THEY ARE JUST TOO CUTE TO DIE!

[versed helm]

I prefer Jiralhanae designs.

Medieval + Modern + Sci-Fi design.

Rise of Atriox & Halo Wars 2 Covenant Jiralhanae design.

[ebon coyote]

oh i cant WAIT to shove my size 8 shoes up Atriox's size 6 butt

cortana died trying to kill this booty hole

not to mention the Infinity and her crews...

HES GOTTA DIE

[gilded mason]

My favorite Brute designs are probably from H2/A and the canceled MMO (surprisingly enough)

[ebon coyote]

...sorry im back now

[versed helm]

H2/A shows a savage and animal-like style.

Just like barbarians.

[gilded mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316261091284090882/907713685340958750/MMO_Brutes.png

This one^

[versed helm]

Halo 3 just makes them to fancy looking, that armor doesn't suit their style.

[gilded mason]

Infinite/HW2 brutes are way too flat-faced for me (and no tusks)

[versed helm]

Halo Wars 2 and Rise of Atriox show this warrior style of armor, with bandages and damage shown in the armor.

They aren't savages, they have techniques and own ways.

They're intelligent yet fierce and brave.

It does really show the type of species they are.

And makes more believeable to the fact that they counted with spacecraft and hovercraft armored with great technology.

From warriors, to slaves and finally conquerors.

Reminds me of the real viking warriors.

[untold wasp]

i believe there was still more ships for the elites, in halo 3, also the shipmaster's master ship was still fine

[frigid oar]

Master chiefs reclaimer geas is likely that of the iso didact or bornstellar

[versed helm]

anotha' one? yes anotha one witt da zame theory

[frigid oar]

what do you think the names for the monitors of installation 01 and installation 06 are

[idle halo]

Hey, so I’ve got a question.

what’s the canonical halo 3 campaign?
The one where Arby and chief go through all the adventures together, or the one where arbiter periodically shows up to help chief?

[ocean matrix]

I would say the single player experience.

[opal gazelle]

Single players. Because bungie, for some reason, decided that a mission on high charity, Arbiters home now turned to ruin, should have no Arbiter dialogue whatsoever.
Man he got shafted

[near tide]

The level Cortana?

[opal gazelle]

yep

[near tide]

You don’t play as arbiter on that

Player 2 is chief

[opal gazelle]

exactly my issue

[near tide]

At least I’m pretty sure

[opal gazelle]

I think you still play as arby for player 2. But still he really should have had a part in that mission.
Or any reaction at all when told that high charity fell

[near tide]

His home wasn’t high charity

He’s from Sanghelios

Anyway, high charity had all ready been taken over by the brutes when the flood took it over

[opal gazelle]

I still feel like a flood infestation would warrant some kind of reaction.

For sure he'd know people on high charity or atleast sympathize with the millions of covenant meeting a gruesome end

Anger, shock, sorrow? Anything?

[versed helm]

Yes you do.

I played it many times with my brother, I was Chief and he was Arby.

[velvet rose]

no,it's the opposite

[tacit charm]

it depends who the host is i think

if you're the host then ye you play as chief

[inland nymph]

There were.

The Elite's had a fleet that

1.) fought and defeated the Brutes over High Charity.

2.) when High Charity was overwhelmed by the Flood, the Elites set up a blockcade to contain it, destroying any infected craft that tried to escape.

3.) when one of them did get through and reached earth, they sent a half dozen ships to chase it down.

4.) those ships then went through the portal, and did most of the heavy lifting/dying when it came time to mop up what was left of Truth's forces. All those ships are destroyed offscreen, except Half-Jaw's super carrier.

Most of the damage the infected High Charity seems to have sustained in Halo 3 is presumably from the Elites' efforts to destroy/contain it. They probably killed billions of flood forms, and crippled the station.

[versed helm]

There were more.

Truth states only a small fraction passed through and everybody else stayed.

He states it in-game.

[inland nymph]

I don't remember.

I'll add that Half-Jaw threatens Hood, stating that if it weren't for the Arbiter's counsel, he'd destroy Earth to end the Flood threat. Presumably Hood isn't in any position to stop him if it came to that.

[versed helm]

It's settled inside the Scarab over the sand mission.

[inland nymph]

On the beach?

[versed helm]

When the vehicles are going out of the forerunner facility and the Scarab passes over, if you enter by he says it.

[inland nymph]

Oh.

[versed helm]

It's hard, I got into and heard the holo talk.

[inland nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nqk3MmIRFw

[versed helm]

"Keep in our hearts those left behind." Basically Truth left many others behind.

[inland nymph]

I assume that's in reference to the homeworlds.

[versed helm]

He speaks about the passage of the portals so.

[velvet rose]

do we know how a grunt skeleton looks like

[sudden veldt]

just had a wild out there theory....what if halsey is a reincarnation of the librarian?

[thin yew]

Doubtful. She's a pawn, but shows no indication she's anything more than that.

[sonic lagoon]

Are there any humans in halo that commit cannibalism?

[scarlet hinge]

probably, there's a few tens of billions of them

if you're asking if there are any named characters or groups that do it, there aren't

[sonic lagoon]

Besides Spartans and their predecessors during the rainforest war did any any species have their genes genetically altered in a lab by humans?

[scarlet hinge]

not to our knowledge

the prophets did have their own rough Spartan equivalents though

https://www.halopedia.org/Prelate

[rancid zenith]

If you think irl, then yes, but lore wise not that I know of

[paper lantern]

How would the plot unfold differently if instead if Master Cheif his name was Plaster Beef

[loud kestrel]

aka prophet of mercy...

[versed helm]

I believe Truth sabotaged Mercy's seat.

When Mercy repeatedly pressed the buttons on it to fire that electrical ray thing to the running infection forms this one malfunctioned and thus led to his eventual death.

[loud kestrel]

no he got attacked by flood tartarus was going to save him but truth said leave him

[versed helm]

Yes exactly, he was attacked by the infection forms.

Mercy's seat didn't properly work in order to defend him and thus he fell down.

[gilded mason]

If you look at the scene, you can see Mercy frantically pressing his seat button before that.

[versed helm]

Mhm. ^

[loud kestrel]

whats that do?

[versed helm]

The defense system didn't work, indication of something or someone likely sabotaging it.

[gilded mason]

Did you fight Regret in Halo 2?

[loud kestrel]

oh thats what u meant by seat sabotage

yes

[versed helm]

Active shielding, fancy firing system with electricity.

The same things Regret had.

[gilded mason]

Though Mercy button-mashing was only added in the anniversary version

[versed helm]

All part of Truth's plan.

Just how he led Regret to a trap, sending him to Earth in a small fleet.

[gilded mason]

But I suppose it could be retconned-in lore

[versed helm]

Expecting this fleet to be directly obliterated by the hundred ships n' hundreds of ODPs.

[gilded mason]

Regarding that, that was Regret's own recklessness. He hid his Luminary discovery from the others and then jumped the gun as soon as coordinates were found, with no input from Truth.

(Though Truth did immediately use it to his advantage)

[untold wasp]

how did they not know about Earth being the human's homeworld tho

[gilded mason]

Why would they?

[untold wasp]

wouldn't they know from all the forerunner stuff

[valid hemlock]

No

[gilded mason]

Forerunner stuff only ever made reference to "Erde-Tyrene". And even then, there were no coordinates for it until that luminary

[untold wasp]

ah ok

[frigid oar]

truth knew of humanitys homeworld before regret jumped there because he had been building a fleet to invade (See halo first strike) p

[terse lava]

Thoug i don't think we have actually been told how he found it out yet

[versed helm]

Is the spires the palace of pain

If not where the heck is the palace of pain

[gilded mason]

Some other part of the ring

[shut dew]

What are your thoughts of the visual identity of civilian areas in Halo media? What are your ideas on how you would improve them if you wanted to?

[last anchor]

If its even within the playspace (which covers a rather small section of the overall ring, closer to the shattered section than anything, hence the enormous gaps in its construction, the Silent Auditorum is probably the closest to anything mentioned in Primordium.

[versed helm]

Maybe in campaign DLC we will get to go to the palace of pain and that maybe where we find the flood

Like a halo ce kind of situation

Ik we have something worse then the flood but imagine having to fight 3 factions

[gilded mason]

I’d rather the flood aren’t introduced again.

They’d just take over the plot

[versed helm]

Why I miss fighting them

Oh the plot

I mean they where the makers of everything before they became the flood they are already all over the plot

[gilded mason]

Present day plot

We’ve already had 3 games about stopping the flood

It’d just get stale

[versed helm]

I mean halo wars 2 did it again and it was well received

[unique rune]

I'm already really tired of this "return to form" nonsense and hamfistedly dragging the Flood back would absolutely help nothing about my feelings towards it.

[gilded mason]

I disagreed with that DLC as well

[versed helm]

Dude the flood are iconic

[unique rune]

I genuinely hate that word so much

[versed helm]

We also have voice line for multiplayer for the flood

So it's kinda already in the works

[untold wasp]

i am a monument to all your sins

[dark vale]

I 100% expect the flood to be introduced again at some point in the story lol.

[versed helm]

Ikr

We can't keep them locked away forever

[unique rune]

I mean, we could.

[last anchor]

We SHOULD tbh.

Other than, maybe, a single fanbait moment.

[versed helm]

We also know that zeta halo has a huge history of the flood so

I hope in campaign DLC we would go to reach

[dark vale]

is there for sure gonna be campaign DLC for infinite?

[versed helm]

It's going to be the last halo game for the next five years of course there will

[gilded mason]

There is no reason to go there, thank god

[unique rune]

Knowing that 343's gone into "fanservice return to status quo Halo 4/5 isn't real Halo" mode tells me that I shouldn't be surprised if the Flood come back but I sincerely hope they don't get dragged into campaign storytelling.

Multiplayer is one thing since those can just be written of as training simulations but making them play a role in the story again... ugh.

[gilded mason]

^

[versed helm]

Let me remind you that they are important for the lore

[gilded mason]

Past lore

[unique rune]

They were at one point but they don't need to going forward

I know the franchise is called "Halo" but we really don't need to be stuck going in circles

[gilded mason]

Seriously

[versed helm]

There wouldn't be a halo ring if the flood never existed so

[gilded mason]

…And?

[unique rune]

I mean, yes, we know that's been established, that doesn't mean the Flood need to be brought back in to justify the rings' continued existence.

[gilded mason]

Truth caused the Covenant War, doesn’t mean he needs to get resurrected each game

[versed helm]

Cuz he's already dead the flood never die

[gilded mason]

They can be contained, though

And are

[versed helm]

Not for long

[gilded mason]

??

[untold wasp]

truth probably got wiped by 08 at the end of 3

[versed helm]

If the banished could just dig into the conservatory then what if they dig another part of the ring and let the flood out

They wouldn't know the flood where there

[untold wasp]

the banished know what the flood is

pretty clearly

[unique rune]

They've been researching the ring pretty thoroughly and I'm pretty sure containment facilities in general would be hard to just stumble across at random.

[versed helm]

Ok but they won't know where to dig and they just come out

[gilded mason]

Nah

[untold wasp]

they don't just dig where ever they want

[versed helm]

How would they reintroduce the flood without upsetting some people

[untold wasp]

same way they did halo wars 2: awakening the nightmare

[gilded mason]

By not doing it

[versed helm]

Flood firefight

No lore in a firefight

[gilded mason]

That would be fine

[versed helm]

Like odst did it

[unique rune]

Stuff like Firefight and general multiplayer is inoffensive because it can just be written off as training sims

I honestly still don't understand where all the love for playing against the Flood even comes from.
They're god awful in 2 and 3 and half the reason they're remotely fun in CE is because CE's shotgun is cracked.

[versed helm]

What if we brought back warzone but instead of requisitions there are loot caves that your ai can hack into

Or hear me out

[untold wasp]

the multiplayer of all halo games are canon training simulations

like infinite's tutorial

[versed helm]

How 343 can reintroduce warzone thay could Have FOBS in warzone firefight and loot caves and take out the reqs instead of covenant its the banished and maybe have a mode with the flood

[shut dew]

The only competent flood spinoff game would be an infinite runner-style shooter

It's all procedurally generated hallways and the occasional juggernaut unit, you can earn cool stuff the longer you live

IIRC the fan game Branching Sickness is doing that idea

[last anchor]

Technically Faber planned on building massive things anyway, he just used the Flood as a viable excuse.
The Halos werent officially intended as anti-Flood weaponry for the most part, they were just another Builder power projection tool. They work just fine on sentient species as a whole.
Hell originally they were going to be bare but the Librarian got the insides seeded with life so they could also serve as preserves

[last anchor]

I'd play a tactical RepCom like game where you're leading a Spartan team into a Flood hive or something.

Absolute hordes of enemies coming at you like in zombie shooter games but you can even the odds through proper tactics and takign advantage of situations and places where you squad can really put the fire down.

[shut dew]

That would play far too much like L4D/B4B/Vermintide

[last anchor]

Ehhh, I was thinking closer to RepComs "final holdout" sections really

[shut dew]

At that point you could just add a flood reskin

[last anchor]

Oh someone did.

Again, thinking more RepCom with the positions and the wall bouncing and squad commands.

[shut dew]

I'll keep proposing a Cyberpunk 2077-like game for Halo

We don't get any civilian life stuff at all in the games

[last anchor]

Corporate shadowars are a canon thing as of Halo 5.

Apparently they're bad enough the UNSC commisioned specific specialty MJONIR suits for S-IVs to intervien

[shut dew]

And notice how I used CP2077 as an inspiration instead of GTA or just saying "RPG".

The setting should be as much of a character as Night City was

And it should also be entirely first person too

Right now, Halo's civilian aestetics are either generic vague sci-fi or retromodernistic with 80s sci-fi flare

[last anchor]

I loved what we saw in ODST

Even if it was smashed to bits and massively grey

The atmosphere of that game sold it more than anything else, I think.
So I see what you mean

[shut dew]

ODST should've been given more time instead of being a glorified expansion pack

[untold wasp]

halo 3 odst takes place in halo 2

[shut dew]

Imagine if they did indeed emphasize stealth and covenant war crimes for ODST

[untold wasp]

idk why they still called it halo 3 odst and not halo 2 odst

[last anchor]

Because it came out after Halo 3

It was one of two games Bungie was required to make before they left to make Destiny.
The other was Reach

Unsurprisingly they didnt entirely put their all into ODST (though Staten certainly did), and Reach...well.

[shut dew]

Also imagine ODST on Reach's engine

[last anchor]

That'd be cool.

The headshots in ODST can be kinda jank sometimes.

Reach would be way cleaner

[jade pollen]

What did lek golo do outside of war?

[jade pollen]

Wdym “well” is something wrong with reach?

[shut dew]

Reach not only threw out the canon but all the multiplayer maps were copies of campaign levels

[last anchor]

Alongside the pre-TU patchs bloom shenanigans

[jade pollen]

Honestly I think being copied of campaign maps isn’t a bad thing

[last anchor]

For me its the lore clash. Since I cant rightfully understand why they did it.

[shut dew]

Bungie hated it when other people "played in their sandbox" despite those other people contributing to the universe in a great way

[last anchor]

Im no game designer but it could have been far easier to set the game AFTER the book, on the surface, with a running battle where the Spartans survived at the end, closer to ODSTs story

Yeah they really didnt want the books to exist did they

[shut dew]

And how hypocritical of them to lift elements like Reach and ODSTs into the main games

[last anchor]

The S-IIIs were Nylunds creation ironically

Using his invention for a game set on a planet first introduced in HIS book.

[shut dew]

Chol Von being namedropped in MCC got me hyped that she'd show up in Infinite but... now i'm glad she didn't. 343i would kill her off just like that

[loud kestrel]

we shouldnt

[near tide]

It’s lazy

[loud kestrel]

just kill them already

[jade pollen]

Not really there not copy and pasted they’re just in the same location

[loud kestrel]

and now lore

weird as it is, without the flood would the unsc still be alive?

without the flood, arbiter and chief wouldnt have ended up fighting covenant together and forming the sangheli-unsc alliance

[near tide]

They are though

[gilded mason]

That's all past lore, yes.

[jade pollen]

Huh? Dude it’s not the exact same map it’s called a theme

[near tide]

The elites would’ve lost the schism without the flood

[loud kestrel]

i thought u were talking about ancient lore when u said past lore

[gilded mason]

No. I literally mean "Before Infinite" when I say past.

[near tide]

They’re literally the same

[gilded mason]

Beause they're in the past, literally

[loud kestrel]

ya

[jade pollen]

??? No?

[gilded mason]

Many Reach MP maps are literally cut out areas of SP levels

[loud kestrel]

thats fine, i have no problem with that

[snow cape]

did the cheif really die in 5

[loud kestrel]

lmao no

[gilded mason]

Yes. He's dead.

[loud kestrel]

i mean yes

totally

he died in 5

[unique rune]

nah guys everything in 4 and 5 was a dream

/s

[loud kestrel]

u just blew my mind

this whole time i thought halo 4 and 5 were halo games

i guess i was wrong, it was all a dream and i must be sleeping right now

btw if u guys wanna know how to wake up from this dream, run full speed into a wall, that'll do it just like 9 3/4 in harry potter

[snow cape]

so 4 & 5 dont exist

[unique rune]

No, they very much do, much to the dismay of people who claim they aren't "real" Halo, whatever the hell that means.

[loud kestrel]

dont know, their just salty probaby

[dense falcon]

A question I've always had about the Halos: What are these?

[unique rune]

Defense turrets, apparently.
https://www.halopedia.org/Confidence-class_weapon_array

[loud kestrel]

really? just from a quick glance i thought those were like whatever you'd call its jet things that keep it in place

[near tide]

Why would it need to be kept in place in space

[loud kestrel]

floating into a planet

causing damage

[near tide]

That wouldn’t happen lol

[loud kestrel]

or other big things

[loud kestrel]

why not?

[near tide]

Planets don’t crash into each other

[loud kestrel]

this would crash into them with nothing holding it in place

eventually it will hit a star or planet or moon or something

[near tide]

Nope

[loud kestrel]

floating aimlessly in space

[near tide]

They orbit big planets

They don’t float aimlessly

[loud kestrel]

yes but what holds them in the orbit?

[terse lava]

The planet's gravity? What else

[near tide]

^

[fast falcon]

I thought it was a god riding a chariot dragging it across the sky

[terse lava]

They are set in just the right spot to just orbit the world, rather than be pulled and crash into it

[tacit charm]

weird i thought it was asexual reproduction that holds planet cause we cant see the planet being held together

[elfin rose]

So when the flood took over a halo ring, I guess you could say the forrunner LOST a bunch of Confidence.....

[cunning coyote]

Gamertag : LL S117 John
Service Tag : S117

Disrespect to a retired tag.
Disrespect to bodies.
Disrespect to another UNSC.

[terse lava]

The heck are you on about?

[glacial oracle]

I second this

[alpine thistle]

So in Halo lore when the elites join our side, is it just Arbiter and his supporters that join (ie just the few) or was it the elites of the entire covenant who join our side against the brutes

[terse pecan]

there are Banished Elites in infinite so I don't think it was all of them

[glacial oracle]

Arbiter and his supporters is officially known as the The Swords of Sanghelios. While Elites did work with humanity in different occasions the SoS were the only faction that openly supported Humanity as allies but even then they didn't involve themselves with humanity mostly.

The only elites that are hostile and against Humanity were ones that combined together into splinter groups (such as Jul 'Mdama covenant) and the Banished. The banished while employing the use of Elites is merely another faction within the Halo Universe.

Long story short the Elite race isn't in alliance with one particular side or two unlike the original Covenant. There is the SoS, splinter groups and those involved with the banished. The majority of the Elite population are simply neutral not aligned with anyone.

[alpine thistle]

Ah okay, can finally play the game without questioning, thanks

[glacial oracle]

np

[scarlet hinge]

even during the events of Halo 2, another coalition of Elites was formed under a guy called Xytan - these guys saw things a little differently than the Arbiter and figured that once they'd dealt with the Brutes, they'd go back to wiping out humanity

they ultimately got nuked before they could do much though

but even at the time of H2/3, opinions were split

[untold wasp]

imagine if they didn't get nuked though, how would later events play out

[blissful crypt]

i used to think they where thrusters

[untold wasp]

someone said they are part of the ring's defense system

[blissful crypt]

i know

[untold wasp]

no the energy blast gets concentrated at the center of the ring

[spiral jewel]

I wonder if Forthenco and Ancient Humanity ever interacted with the Xalanyn...

While I'm probably misinterpreting things, it seems that the Xalanyn were fairly "Chill" around humans, or at least had no ill thoughts towards them , even after being reawoken by the Banished.

[untold wasp]

the only xalanyn is the harbinger and probably the skimmers

they seem agressive

[near tide]

Skimmers are Gasgira and not Xalanyn

[untold wasp]

ah ok

[untold wasp]

wait how did In Amber Clad get stuck on high charity in halo 2 again

[gilded mason]

Flood took control of it and plopped it there

[untold wasp]

ok

[loud kestrel]

I third this

[loud kestrel]

on the arbiters side, there weres still other elite groups

at least thats what i remember although u guys always find an answer better then mine it seems lmao

so uh im learning

[untold wasp]

I forth this

[cobalt thunder]

I fifth this

[severe cosmos]

Anybody know what the minimum age a spartan could be is? Just wondering.

[untold wasp]

spartan IV you had to be a consenting adult

Spartan IIIs were orphans and Spartan IIs were kidnapped children

[high path]

Weren’t the spartan 3s specifically orphans from planets that were destroyed by the covenant

[untold wasp]

i am pretty sure

[unique rune]

They were Covenant War orphans, yes.

[last anchor]

Based on the Gamertag? Probably clan stuff

[last anchor]

If you want to be technical, the very first person to utilize Johns service tag and rank for clan material started it and its only gotten worse from there on out.
Because random civilians using it as a title in, for the most part, stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with any of the games core existance or play modes (no, raids dont count, and never will more than likely) isnt exactly the most "respectful"

Say what you will about the roleplayers; tactically, Chief would stomp every one of them flat

[terse lava]

He'd stomp almost anyone flat

[glacial oracle]

You mean expendable resources 😩

[unique rune]

Shh, you aren't supposed to talk about that part.

[untold wasp]

[loud kestrel]

uh oh, you shouldnt have said that, now your gonna have oni planning your death

[thin yew]

The S-II's were all around 6 years old when they were inducted into the program, and that was back in 2517. The III's were all various war orphans of various ages. The IV's are adults, usually trained military personnel making the next step up.

[left dove]

and the Is, we don't talk about those

except gigachad johnson 💪

[terse lava]

Its implied Sgt. John Forge's father may have been one too

[ruby needle]

Hi, can someone officialy confirm that Halo Infinite sentinels are agressor sentinels ?

@obsidian thistle

[last anchor]

Agressor is a class of sentinel, nothing more.

Its a job, the internal design of it can be anything

The massive Enforcers from Halo 2 are technically aggressors

If they're shooting at you they're Aggressors

[frigid oar]

Techincally that massive sentinel from halo legends is also an aggressor sentinel

[last anchor]

Indeed it is

The Sentinels from Onyx could swap between roles as required thanks to their modularity

[versed helm]

How bullet resistant IS MJOLNIR MARK 7 GEN 3?

Could a mini gun with armor piercing bullets from our age penetrate it??

[near tide]

Mjolnir is titanium with powerful energy shielding

I don’t think a minigun can piece it

With enough shots maybe

[last anchor]

Sustained fire will do it yes.

[fervent compass]

A minigun is chambered in about the same ammo as the MA5C Assault Rifle (7.62x51mm, minigun is 7.62x51mm NATO) and the minigun fires at a rate of around 6,000 rounds per minute while the Assault Rifle has an RPM of 750-900. Meaning, a minigun would decimate a spartan in mere seconds (probably around 3-5 seconds, depending on the shielding)

[last anchor]

But a minigun in our age is firing 5.56mm, which Chief bounces easily in his MK IV in Fall of Reach

Wait. Might be thinking of different weapons

[fervent compass]

Also depends on the minigun

Handheld miniguns are usually 5.56mm for less recoil, but they still can breach tank armor

[versed helm]

M134 Minigun

[fervent compass]

Yeah that is the specs I talked about

It would rip through a spartan, even with full shields

But, with chief’s luck he would most likely win the fight no matter what

[last anchor]

They'd have to track the Spartan first. Easier said than done.

Something that big doesnt instantly swing even with an automated mount

[tacit charm]

it would simply hit non vital parts of his body so he'll live ||(in what condition umm idk space magic/cloning, figure something out)||

[fervent compass]

Yes miniguns are very inaccurate, and Spartans are very agile, so it could be a fair fight.

[fast falcon]

It would be as fair a fight as any against the Chief. It more depends on who’s using the weapon, some random jobber with a mini gun against the Chief would not be a fair fight

[tacit charm]

not sure about the muzzle velocity of your average minigun but at one point in i think it's either fall of reach or first strike john was shown to apparently dodge bullets, now i have issues but it did happen somewhere

well i make it sound as if it was easy for him instead of being on the edge but eh

[obsidian thistle]

Aggressor is more a grouping of Sentinels.

There is variants in that grouping like how there is numerous strato-sentinels in the form of the Harvester and Steward sentinels.

None have been "named" outright unless you count the Halo 4 chassis getting the name Z-1500 classification by humanity.

[ruby needle]

But the 'classic' sentinel on Infinite is the same agressor model than Halo ce, 2, 3, 4 and Wars & wars 2, right?

[unique rune]

It's a similar-looking model, not necessarily the exact same.

[fair hazel]

There's variation in chassis design

[obsidian thistle]

Its not the same. But close

I'd say however its closest to the Halo Wars Blur design

https://www.halopedia.org/images/d/db/HaloWars-SentinelAggressor.png

https://www.halopedia.org/images/c/cf/HINF_SentinelCrop.png

Except it has a different "body"

The Infinite design seems based around a "core" or body of sorts

Which I can show a lil better on the "Sniper" model.

https://www.halopedia.org/images/b/b7/HINF_SniperSentinelCrop.png

[tender juniper]

Woah a robot

[obsidian thistle]

(Oh for those curious it seems that the Sniper variant takes some design ques from the Guardians/Soldiers also which is pretty cool)

[plush gate]

Hey are any of the Halo books good? Or are they just meh

[near tide]

They’re great

[plush gate]

Which 3 are the best?

[obsidian thistle]

Well I say they are great! ;) (bias due to being a Halopedia editor)

[obsidian thistle]

This... depends on what ya are into really

Cause there is no real right answer lol

I seen peoples favs is anothers most disliked.

[plush gate]

Either Master Chief, Sargent Johnson, or some book like Dooku Jedi Lost

[obsidian thistle]

Sounds like ya may like this series then.

https://www.halopedia.org/The_Original_Series

[plush gate]

Okay Thanks!

[obsidian thistle]

Though this novel wont be a bad place to start also if yer interested specifically in Johnson
https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Contact_Harvest

[plush gate]

Okay cool I’ll check these out

[clear briar]

Does anyone here know the lore and quotes like the back of their hand?

[valid hemlock]

It was the first book i've read from halo, i really loved it

[clear briar]

I'm looking for a super specific quote from a supposed UNSC Prisoner of war that told his interrogators/captors something to the effect of:

"We weren't given these technologies for traveling in space. We didn't work with other species to build these massive ships. We were crawling around in the mud, developing ourselves throughout thousands of years, slowly beginning to grasp at the stars. Our existence is heresy because we did something you couldn't do alone. We did it like they did." (referring to the forerunners the covenant worshiped)

I just made up this entire thing because I'm paraphrasing and can't remember how it actually goes

Hoping someone here knows where it came from because I saw it before, but can't seem to find it.

[gilded mason]

That sounds like made-up HFY

[clear briar]

Yeah it was a youtube comment from the "Halo || Ultimate Theme Mashup" video on yt

I tried searching for it there for like 30 mins before hopping around, but can't verify it

I do remember that this quote was coming from a unidentified or unknown human prisoner of war

That was the claim anyway

[gilded mason]

Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock into it being an actual quote

[sinful valve]

This channel is complete:
Long ago the precursors made their we to the milky way and created humans, sangheli, forerunners, you name it, they had this thing called the mantle of responsiblity you see and they gave it to the forerunners but were like nah this goes to humans, forerunners get mad and kill all of the precursors, but sadly... the precursors turn into flood, the flood attacks humans and then attacks forerunners, forerunners build halo array halo array gets fired, also this guy called didact tries to use a flood sterilization weapon called the composer to digitize humans since they were the original ones who got it, the librarian traps him in requim which is a shield world, way later the elites and prophets make the covenant thinking that the rings will bring them the great journey, the prophets however meet an ai called mendicant bias that went rampant caused by the primordial (a flood/precursor hybrid), mendicant bias tells them that humans are closly related to forerunners meaning that the forerunners are not gods, therefore they stamp the secret by commiting genocide on humanity in order to preserve their covenant and not look like idiots, they invade a human world called harvest, this crazy lady halsey comes along and makes cortana and the spartans, they invade reach, jorge blows up covenant ship, noble team dies, this one chad dude master chief comes along and blows up a halo ring and arbiter blah blah blah tarterus blah blah dreadnought blah blah gravemind blah cortana stays on high charity blah blah ark and installation 8 blah requim blah new pheonix gets composed blah blah requim blows up star blah cortana goes insane blah zeta halo blah harbinger and banished blah master chief the chad of galaxy

[untold wasp]

ok

[unique rune]

Punctuation usually goes a long way in making things readable

[valid hemlock]

Long wall of text but found a grammar mistake in first line

[sinful valve]

relax i typed it in like 2 minutes

[unborn orbit]

That is cool!

[untold wasp]

was fireteam majestic on the infinity during infinite

[frigid oar]

Pretty sure in halo the fall of reach book we get a detailed explanation of how time slows down for spartan augmentations

[frigid oar]

Im reading this right now actually

techincally if they attached slipspace drives to the MAC platforms that we see in halo 2, the unsc can create the most powerful device that is also extremely mobile. Slipsace drives dont require fusion engines to work that much

[unique rune]

I mean unless it has its own sublight engines, strapping a slipspace drive to an ODP wouldn't be very useful.

[near tide]

They require planetside generators to function

[unique rune]

Moncton-class ODPs like the ones that make up Earth's orbital defense network don't have that limitation. They're powered by onboard generators.

Though with that said I somehow doubt they would be that useful.
Without sublight engines they wouldn't be able to do much inside and outside slipspace.

And if you're gonna bolt fusion drives to it then you may as well just construct a warship instead.

[thin yew]

I mean, you've just described most heavy cruisers like the Pillar of Autumn.

They have their own MACs

[tacit charm]

i mean they more or less had that with supercarriers and those did barely jack squat to change the outcome of the war, now i have a feeling the reason being is cause they attached the wrong odp smac model and didnt use the reach odp versions

[last anchor]

So do every UNSC ship of the line that can carry them. Which is...basically everything bigger than a Corvette

[crystal stratus]

the pillar wasnt that heavy, around the time of halo 1 it was decently old and outclassed

[last anchor]

It had undergone the OP: RED FLAG refit though

[tacit charm]

red flag? you mean that cringe operation that involved kidnapping male genitalia head people cause you think it'll end the war instead of just simply nova bombing high charity the moment you exit slipspace

[last anchor]

Because the UNSC had an endless supply of NOVAs instead of the single one they had on Reach that Standforth left behind, yes?

Oddly enough the reason that wouldnt have worked was mentioned in the same book that mentioned the NOVA detonating.

Cherenkov radiations not exactly stealthy

[empty tundra]

High charity wasn't the only space station they had

Theres Unyielding Hierophant

And the massive space station that nearly destroyed the UNSC Infinity long after the war ended

[tacit charm]

i mean we at least know three exists in lore. as for the whole cherenkov radiation being the reason why the whole spartan 3 smuck happen in the first place that's why you send two ships with one nova on each to make sure you can still nova hc

[last anchor]

Against the amount of ordinance High Charity had riding the Spire of Giving?

Sure.

[tacit charm]

also im not saying nova bombing hc would end the war but it would at least severly weaken the cov

[empty tundra]

Also didn't the covenant have more Hierarchs

[tacit charm]

i mean last i checked hc or whatever weaponry it has isnt going to survive a nova

[empty tundra]

And the fact of the matter is
Is that Zytan Jar watenri would've immediately returned to fighting the UNSC once he learned that the Prophets were killed
The Elite Admiral was forced into guarding the fringes of Covenant occupied Space by the three Prophets so that he couldn't intervene.

[last anchor]

The entire San'Shyuum race, or what was left of them.

[empty tundra]

They atleast had some minor prophets in charge of fleets

[tacit charm]

i never said it was going to end the war

i said it would severly weaken the cov

[empty tundra]

yeah it would've

They would've most likely doubled back on their attempts of annihilating Humanity

[tacit charm]

ye was gonna say that, kinda obvious what will happen after your place of hierachs gets bombed

[ruby needle]

This is just games art style 🤔

[ruby needle]

The sniper is just a re-use of the agressor core, seems weird imo.
Also, i don't understand why they use a brute weapons seems not logic...

[pliant dock]

Well there isn't really a forerunner sniper weapon in halo infinite, so they needed to improvise

I honestly think the lightrifle could've returned

And the Sentinel enforcer

[ruby needle]

The Forerunners male a sniper agressor but no Snipe rifle...
That's wierd
How they find shock rifle, there are already equiped with it when they cames from a sentinel launcher...
This makes spot imo

[ruby needle]

Yeah i miss them

[pliant dock]

I'm gonna pretend the harbinger had something to do with it and installed a windows update for all the dispensers

[ruby needle]

May be but for me lazzy devs jut give brute weapons to forerunner machine.
Also, when you face a sniper, they have a laser un their bottom part... 🤔

[midnight kestrel]

Have there ever been any Sangheili factions that made an attempt to be like the swords of Sanghelios or try to revive it in their own way aside from the Arbiter

[tacit charm]

space hippies become drugs and that led to some seppuku and religious shanigans

[last anchor]

Considering Sentinels are nothing but hardlight mechanics, it probably is a simple issue to up-arm them with more fitting weaponry for the current targets they're facing.

Forerunner technology is nothign if not entirely modular

There is, after all, a Sentinel in Halo 2 that carries a Needler

[left dove]

how many flood spores are needed to take over a human? I imagine it's not just one

[terse lava]

Just one works well enough

Just slower on the transformation

[left dove]

alright, thanks

[untold wasp]

a single flood spore can end a species

[cold crescent]

Little bird told me Female Sangheili are actually humanoid. True?

[gilded mason]

What do you mean?

[cold crescent]

Sangheili are Elites

[gilded mason]

I am very aware of that, yes.

[cold crescent]

And "little bird" is popular saying in the West, that means "someone I won't tell who"

[gilded mason]

I am also very aware of that.

[cold crescent]

Don't mean to be rude ofc