#lore-and-universe

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loud kestrel
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i think captain cutter might be my favorite character in all of the halo universe

velvet rose
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this really shows

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how do sangheili eggs taste tho

near tide
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I hope the book has the last moments of those Spartans

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Perhaps even some Jega or Hyperius and Tovarus

velvet rose
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look up how irl reptiles reproduce if you wanna know the answer

loud kestrel
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15

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biology isnt my go to class, ill get around to it eventually tho

near tide
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15 is first or second year of high school, and some biology is taught in 8th grade

loud kestrel
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not in my 8th grade

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btw we dont have middle school

untold wasp
loud kestrel
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elementary and highschool

velvet rose
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if that would be the case all sangheili would be female,which is false

if we would apply your logic to irl reptiles on earth,wwe would consider all reptiles female,which is false

loud kestrel
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k-8 then 9-12

near tide
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I want to see their last stands too

tacit charm
near tide
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There’s probably not many diseases that humans have encountered than can effectively infect sangheili

loud kestrel
velvet rose
loud kestrel
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i still dont see ur point if u have one

untold wasp
loud kestrel
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ur saying elites dont reproduce asexually, i havent seen any proof or anything that would say ur right

near tide
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This book could really show how badass those Spartans were

near tide
gilded mason
near tide
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That implies sexual reproduction

untold wasp
tacit charm
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ye...

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i didnt want to be the first one to comment on that

untold wasp
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insert i got to get out of here spongebob meme

velvet rose
loud kestrel
velvet rose
loud kestrel
gilded mason
velvet rose
loud kestrel
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havent read the books

velvet rose
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alot of info is in them

loud kestrel
tacit charm
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...

gilded mason
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Jesus christ

velvet rose
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that's not possible

loud kestrel
velvet rose
unique rune
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Still on this topic huh

loud kestrel
velvet rose
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yeah,i just seen some eggs laying around on high charity,dunno who they belong to but i made a tasty omlette

gilded mason
loud kestrel
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was fordon replying to an old message

velvet rose
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yes

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since sangheili aren't fishes their oviparity works the same way as in birds and most reptiles

loud kestrel
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idk what oviparity is

velvet rose
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since they aren't fish,they don't jump into the water to spread their stuff onto some small beads like fish do

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they still have to...y'know...reproduce to have the eggs fertilised

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i hope i explained it properly

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  • as we said,in the books it was confirmed that they lay eggs
terse lava
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A-again?! How?

velvet rose
terse lava
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Even by troll logic this is...sheesh

versed helm
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wait it's still the same topic?

velvet rose
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yesh

tacit charm
celest token
versed helm
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One thing I kinda noticed when playing multiplayer

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Spartans were also genetically modified to survive long falls, right?

unique rune
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I mean, not specifically for surviving large falls.

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Primarily just enhanced strength and endurance and just making them harder to kill in general.

terse pecan
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I think they just removed fall dmg in infinite, when i'm playing campaign at least you don't take fall dmg

versed helm
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Fair

grave pollen
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Is Halo Infinite canon?

potent sky
tacit charm
edgy depot
tacit charm
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eh

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the game overall was fine

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just alot of annoying lore stuff

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and that cliffhanger

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also wtf is the created

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ik what they are in lore but in game wtf is the created

edgy depot
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I haven't finished the campaign yet, so I wouldn't know.

tacit charm
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oh

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atriox is in the post credit cutscene

edgy depot
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Wow.

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So he didn't die in Halo Wars 2?

tacit charm
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no

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he lives

edgy depot
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Darn.

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Oh well.

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Can't win 'em all.

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But I think Infinite is a big step in the right direction for 343 regarding Halo's gameplay and story.

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4 was a fumble, and 5 was an all around mess.

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But i've liked everything Infinite has brought to the table so far.

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Speaking of, there's something i'm a little confused about.

humble yacht
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4 was not a fumble in the story department

edgy depot
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Has Master Chief's armor changed with each game? He ends every game either floating endlessly in space or in hypersleep. Unless someone opens up his sleeping coffin during the time between games, his armor shouldn't have changed.

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Like, I know its design has changed with each game. But I remember someone saying he wears different model armor with each game.

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Like, his armor changing between 5 and Infinite makes sense. He was obviously serving during that time.

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But the others, i'm not so sure about.

versed helm
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i dunno like

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it's hard to explain any lore for it

humble yacht
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His armor has only changed between games 3 times

versed helm
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when the easiest way to describe it is "the game changed hands and the art direction changed."

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as for Halo 1, and 2 his armor did actually get upgraded

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halo infinite they realized that 4 and 5's armor weren't really all that popular so they went back to the drawing board for armor design.

edgy depot
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It's like, his armor's UI changes with each game, you know? And that would only be possible through a software update at the least. But we hardly see him take the time or have the opportunity to receive said software update.

polar viper
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Maybe it's an automatic update

edgy depot
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That would mean his armor is connected to some sort of network.

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Is it?

versed helm
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maybe

humble yacht
edgy depot
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I know Cortana can patch his armor into networks, but only for like comms and such.

versed helm
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there's probably hud updates the UNSC R&D department rolls out

polar viper
main rivet
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They've also mentioned HUD changes depending on context. Given that one player's playthrough isn't really "canon" in a settled way you can chalk some of it up to "oh Chief switched to a different HUD for this engagement" or whatever.

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(Also, I don

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't really think the HUD itself is canon either. As in, I don't think Master Chief walks up to an assault rifle and the HUD tells him "Hold X to pick up AR" so you've got to assume some license here rather than being super literal.

versed helm
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well yeah

edgy depot
versed helm
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chief singing dont stop me now

edgy depot
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That would be a sight to see.

versed helm
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but he's terrible at singing

edgy depot
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Like, canonically?

versed helm
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then weapon or whatever her name is i still haven't played that halo themed far cry campaign is sitting there with noise cancelling headphones on

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and no not canonically

edgy depot
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I was about to say...

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It's a silly thing, realizing that Master Chief has canonically tried to sing.

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But realized he was bad at it.

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Such a weird detail about him to have, you know?

versed helm
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no he wouldnt realize he's bad at it he'd think he's great

edgy depot
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I'd still love to see him try.

versed helm
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it'd be like that level in duke nukem where he sings born to be wild

edgy depot
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That would be epic.

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Did you hear about the Halo series on Paramount+ having female leads and Master Chief being a supporting character?

versed helm
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I uh

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I heard about the show and said "wow that sounds terrible hard pass."

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if i wanted to watch a halo movie i'd just watch aliens

edgy depot
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Or Halo Legends. That's a good one.

versed helm
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true

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i can't see a halo show being good though

edgy depot
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It doesn't look good, if what i've heard is true.

versed helm
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oh i forgot you cant swear on this server

edgy depot
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Master Chief is relegated to being a supporting character, with the real main character being someone else. Oh, and Master Chief being 'easily defeated' by the villain of the show. Who is also a female lead.

versed helm
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yeah no its not gonna be good

edgy depot
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I was under the impression that no human could ever hope to defeat Master Chief in combat.

versed helm
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ever play halo 5?

edgy depot
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Even then, he didn't lose.

versed helm
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shouldn't of been close either

edgy depot
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True.

versed helm
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343 was uh

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yknow

edgy depot
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But that's what you get for trying to give MC a rival in the first place.

versed helm
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that's who the arbiter was

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arbiter's rad

edgy depot
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Yeah but Arbiter is fren now. So he wouldn't have gone after MC without a good reason.

versed helm
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but even then they're more like pals

edgy depot
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Yup.

versed helm
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atriox as a rival's a good idea

edgy depot
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We saw how that went.

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At the start of Infinite's campaign.

untold wasp
versed helm
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i agree

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should've been

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another spartan II

untold wasp
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more fleshed out

versed helm
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and also that too

edgy depot
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Exactly.

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Locke just kinda showed up. And we didn't learn much about him.

untold wasp
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and maybe have the rest of osiris and blue team do something then just stand there

versed helm
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oh if they didnt also shove a bunch of prior bois in too

edgy depot
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But yeah, the fact that the main female villain of the show is able to 'easily defeat' MC, tells me that the creators have no idea what MC is capable of and who he's supposed to be.

versed helm
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almost as if he's a Spartan II

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and yknow

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Spartan II's are > any other generation

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but also < astartes

edgy depot
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Yeah. The newer generations of Spartans are much weaker than Spartan II's.

untold wasp
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but more numerous

edgy depot
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I guess that's how they make up for it.

versed helm
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yeah

edgy depot
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I think the survival rate of Spartan II's is pretty low.

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That's why there was never that many of them.

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Most of them died during training, battle, or due to the experimental enhancements.

versed helm
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they were workin out the kinks

unique rune
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The augmentations killed or crippled half of them, yes.

versed helm
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spartan III's were also pretty low

autumn plover
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They werent ready. Those who died.

unique rune
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It was mostly because the augmentations were experimental and high-risk though, not because of how much “better” they were than successive generations.

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Spartan-IV augmentations are mostly less effective because they’re applied after the body has stopped developing significantly, whereas Spartan-II and -III could work in tandem with the onset of puberty.

edgy depot
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Ah, that makes sense.

versed helm
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yeah that's why

humble yacht
autumn plover
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But weren't II's the only ones who didn't need all the special equipment

versed helm
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not the augmentations i misread

edgy depot
humble yacht
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IIs got mjolnir, that’s the most special equipment ever

untold wasp
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didn't most III's have spi

versed helm
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because II's were really powerful, then III's were more meant for suicide missions

humble yacht
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Yes but that was because of cost

versed helm
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then IV's are just kinda marines in power armor essentially? if i remember correctly

humble yacht
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IIIs in mjolnir would be on par with IIs in mjolnir

autumn plover
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Like thruster or hovering while ads

versed helm
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yeah

humble yacht
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That’s just a misconception propagated by people who don’t like the IVs

unique rune
edgy depot
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Ah, I see.

main rivet
versed helm
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neat

edgy depot
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I hope that's the case.

main rivet
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I'm sure some of it is technically true "from a certain point of view", but a lot of it sounds like someone who didn't know what they were looking at telling someone else secondhand.

unique rune
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If I’m thinking of the right article it read like some insane borderline parody to me.

main rivet
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Like, the whole detail of the girl "defeating" Master Chief. Maybe he gets yeeted by some of the Lekgolo following her around.

versed helm
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Ah so Spartan IV's are less biologically potent than II's but their armor makes up for it

main rivet
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There were a ton of people who somehow misunderstood that she doesn't have magical tentacle powers.

autumn plover
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They could be thinking that the ring itself is a living entity but it's not. Is it?

edgy depot
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So those things are living beings were just following her?

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I suppose that makes sense.

main rivet
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They're a type of Lekgolo gestalt.

humble yacht
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I’d say wait and watch the show rather than go down the rabbit hole of speculation

main rivet
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I presume similar to the ones we see in Halo: Nightfall?

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But yeah, it's all stuff from a trailer. It's lacking context.

edgy depot
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So does she have the power to control them, I wonder? Or are they sentient and following her of their own free will?

humble yacht
main rivet
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Almost certainly sentient, since that's how the worms have always been portrayed.

edgy depot
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Ah. Interesting.

main rivet
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If they are actually listening to her? Who knows.

humble yacht
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Individual Lekgolo worms are not sentient but when they form compound forms, they gain self awareness

main rivet
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Seems like they're setting the character up to be a sort of Locutus of Borg/mouthpiece for the Covenant to humanity.

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So maybe she actually orders around some Covenant in it. Maybe others take the orders but really resent being ordered around by a human. Who knows! We have to see the actual thing.

edgy depot
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I suppose it's more buyable that MC would lose against someone who's got an army of alien worms backing her. Still, MC has singlehandedly fought bigger armies full of more capable beings and come out on top easily.

main rivet
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I mean the whole "who would win" thing starts turning into fan bull pretty quick.

humble yacht
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He’s also been beaten by singular individuals before

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Whether he wins or loses is plot dependent

main rivet
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You could easily argue based on whatever scene from the book or game that Chief should have dusted Atriox. But he loses decisively in the opening of Infinite.

edgy depot
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That's true.

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But he's also a 9 ft tall hulking alien.

main rivet
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It's kind of Locke versus Chief all over again, complete with "But Spartan-IVs are weaker than IIs!" stuff.

autumn plover
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It was a cool opener though

main rivet
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Like to some fans everything is a power level discussion where one character is a 9 and the other is a 10 and thus the ten should always win.

edgy depot
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I don't think Halo works like that.

main rivet
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Definitely doesn't, the reality of the differences in mediums and different stories being told means you're never going to see that consistency.

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Also, it's not like you can't take the same two individuals and pit them in a series of fights and get different results each match.

edgy depot
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But, again. Atriox was a massive hulk of a beast. And we're talking about a 150lb woman who's only fleeting chance at victory is an army of worms.

humble yacht
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This is why you shouldn’t take articles like that at face value

main rivet
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I doubt she's 150 😛

edgy depot
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Okay, 180 if i'm being generous.

main rivet
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Lol she's 5'4", she's most likely well south.

edgy depot
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I second that.

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Point is, homegirl is tiny.

main rivet
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Indeed, which is why people taking the story at face value is bizarre.

humble yacht
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Critical thinking is at an all time low, lol

main rivet
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I totally get being a bit suspect on the decisions they've made with the series, and Makee specifically. But doesn't mean you get to go crazy at one unreliable source and make broad declarative statements. Or, I mean, you can, but you're wasting a lot of time and effort getting mad about things that exist only in your head.

edgy depot
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I suppose.

main rivet
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The show's gonna' be out in less than two months, why bother getting amped up over rumors?

edgy depot
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I suppose it's just the trend of making shows and movies more PC for the 'woke' people. And in doing so, the sacrifice actual decent story telling and narratives because they fill that cut space with 'Let's focus on the strong, independent woman, or the LGBTQ people'.

humble yacht
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:/

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Probably best not to get into that

edgy depot
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I know. And I don't have a problem with that. But when you make that the core message of the entire movie/show in place of a compelling story, it gets annoying. At least, to me.

velvet rose
humble yacht
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He was just spamming, not actually seeking discussion

grave pollen
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Sorry chat thought it was funny at the time

polar viper
tacit charm
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it's so obvious

quaint ether
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The halo tv show is something that would probably decline my mental health because it ain’t cannon

quick slate
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Cortana chose 6 as her original Spartan before Chief, correct?

stiff fiber
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Didn't she choose to be with the Chief from the get go, but opted to have Noble 6 as her escort to the Pillar of Autumn? At least that's how I understand it.

quick slate
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Idk, I guess i gotta replay Reach hahaha

untold wasp
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who is oscar-128 from the audio logs? Ringfall log 1 (not talking about spartan II Oscar 129)

humble yacht
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The Cortana seen in reach is a fragment of the whole Cortana, left behind to assist Halsey in studying the forerunner artifact under SWORD base. The rest of Cortana was with a Chief during the Fall of reach

edgy depot
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Is it clear what Chief was doing during the Fall of Reach?

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Because I still don't know, honestly.

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Like, was he fighting? If so, where? What was more important than Reach at the time? Or was he just on standby?

unique rune
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For the most part he was on a then-uncontested part of the planet getting prepped for Operation RED FLAG, relative to the events of Halo Reach.

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The Covenant combined fleet that would be the final nail in Reach’s coffin arrived just as the Pillar of Autumn was preparing to depart for the operation.

stiff fiber
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Collecting what I know:

He was there for Operation Red Flag, which was an operation to try and capture Prophet, and use them as a hostage to negotiate peace.

Of course, everything went to hell, and the Chief was around in a couple of places (mostly uncontested) - however when the planet was (determined) lost, he returned to the Pillar of Autumn (where he can be seen in Reach, in a certain cutscene)

edgy depot
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Ah, I see.

unique rune
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John’s only major involvement with the Fall of Reach was going to Gamma Station to wipe the UNSC Circumference’s nav data to comply with the Cole Protocol, after the Autumn turned around to do what it could to fend off the Covenant before they had to flee.

edgy depot
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I knew they had their reasons to keep Chief out of the main fight for Reach, but even so, Reach was a decently big loss for humanity. And they knew it would be, so it's weird that they didn't send their best soldier out into the main field.

unique rune
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Chief not being involved for much of the Fall of Reach wasn’t especially intentional on the UNSC’s end

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The Covenant invasion as originally written was pretty much just a sudden, rapid assault that they barely had time to react to.

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117, 058, and 005 went to Gamma Station to clear the UNSC Circumference’s nav data in compliance with the Cole Protocol while the other assembled Spartan-IIs went planetside to defend the ODP network’s generators as long as they could.

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By the time the Gamma Station objective had been completed it was pretty much over for Reach and getting the hell out was their best option.

edgy depot
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I see.

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So they never really intended for Chief not to fight. It's just that the Covenant arrived on Reach too quickly, and by the time he was available, Reach was beyond saving.

unique rune
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More that Reach in general wasn’t prepared for a fight in the first place.

edgy depot
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Did they not expect the Covenant to target it or something?

untold wasp
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i think they did

unique rune
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The Covenant didn’t really know much about how humanity was distributed through space. It’s a pretty big part of why the war had gone on for so long. They only found Reach after managing to hide a tracking probe on the UNSC Iroquois after Sigma Octanus IV.

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I think the UNSC figured it would probably be an inevitability, just not so soon.

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They never had any indication that the Covenant even knew the planet existed, let alone where it was or when they’d attack.

untold wasp
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didn't the covenant accidently find most of the human colonies

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because they were looking for forerunner stuff

unique rune
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I would imagine that is the case but I don’t recall if there is anything official that would confirm it

edgy depot
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Well space is pretty big. I can imagine a couple scenarios where battles just happened because each side just stumbled on each other by accident

untold wasp
edgy depot
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But don't both the UNSC and The Covenant have ways to track or detect certain energy signatures that their ships give off? It is odd to think that the people of Reach didn't detect any Covenant ships approaching the planet ahead of time.

untold wasp
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Thel had a way of sneaking past UNSC scanners

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that is probably how

edgy depot
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I guess so. But you'd think that we would've figured out a way to, for lack of a better term, bypass their bypass.

humble yacht
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Covenant tech is better by leagues

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At least at the time of Reach

edgy depot
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Of course, figuring out why the ships could hide from the UNSC's scans would require getting ahold of a ship that could bypass the radar relatively intact so they could tinker with it.

unique rune
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The Covenant invasion fleet shown in Halo Reach is… a bit strange. There’s not much explanation given for how the Covenant managed to slip a 30-kilometer long spaceship onto the planet’s surface to land troops on the UNSC’s greatest military stronghold and it’s still one of my biggest gripes with Reach’s campaign.

humble yacht
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The super carrier was hidden by the pylons on the surface

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The covenant must have set up the pylons first then the ship entered atmosphere

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They likely used smaller ships to get troops on the ground to erect the pylons in the first place

edgy depot
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Huh. Well, there you go.

unique rune
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I just take issue with the whole thing because it feels like it makes the UNSC seem bafflingly incompetent. Especially compared to how The Fall of Reach shows they can make out incoming Covenant fleets and reasonably guess their compositions from slipspace gravitational anomalies with RSOs.

humble yacht
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It’s possible the ships exited slipspace outside the range of the unsc’s sensors

untold wasp
edgy depot
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On the subject of Reach, does Noble 6 have any canonical traits? Quirks, preferences, gender, etc? The only thing I know that's canon about them is that, according to Carter, they like to act on their own and that they have a tendency to silently stare at people for uncomfortable amounts of time.

unique rune
# humble yacht It’s possible the ships exited slipspace outside the range of the unsc’s sensors

I mean, my problem in general is that Reach was the UNSC’s greatest military stronghold besides Earth. If they’re so awful at protecting a planet this important that a Covenant invasion fleet can land an entire army undetected, humanity should’ve lost the war within a decade.

Even if the initial insertion craft approached in normal space with enough material to construct a series of stealth pylons, surely humanity’s “fortress among the stars” should have picked up some kind of anomaly before it gets out of hand.

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I dunno, man, all we can do is use the available info to draw conclusions

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We already know Bungie wasn’t concerned with making the game fit into the established lore

worn latch
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I mean, Reach seemed like a well stocked but cocky planet. The Noble team got an alert and assumed it was unimportant, and those are the most vigilant soldiers in the army. Reminds me of Pearl Harbor.

unique rune
edgy depot
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He was a hitman before he was part of Noble team?

unique rune
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His official backstory says one of his superiors used him as a personal hitman

gilded mason
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Yeah. I think he directly answered to Ackerson?

edgy depot
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Huh.

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I also know that, due to his last stand on Reach, he's classified as a 'hyper-lethal' Spartan. And that the only other Spartan to attain that title, at least that I know of, was Master Chief.

gilded mason
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Nope

edgy depot
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No?

stiff fiber
gilded mason
# edgy depot No?

He didn't get classified that due to his last stand. The Reach marketing had him that even before the game events. And in any case, 343 has luckily expanded the term "hyper-lethal" to refer to all Spartans, since it being used only for those two would make absolutely no sense. (Though they should have gotten rid of the term entirely.)

edgy depot
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Ohhhh.

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I didn't know that.

humble yacht
gilded mason
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It was made in the first place so that fans would go "Wow, he's as good as the Chief? Now I wanna play as him!!"

humble yacht
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So 343 did get rid of the vector part

gilded mason
humble yacht
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Wasn’t it in her journal

gilded mason
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Don't think so

unique rune
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It’s kinda funny looking back at the term that Bungie thought they needed to come up with a label that basically says “100% Certified Genuine Cool Guy” …On top of the existing Spartan name.

gilded mason
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It's funny and sad.

humble yacht
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Could have sworn I read vector somewhere

stiff fiber
# unique rune I mean, my problem in general is that Reach was the UNSC’s greatest military str...

(NOTE: This is my take)
Humanity had three weapons that won them the war, The Spartans, Tactics, and Resistance.

The Spartans are the finest soldiers humanity has ever had (if we discount them due to augmentation, then that title belongs to the ODSTs), and they bought time on many colonies, completed important missions (Noble Team on Reach, for example), and they won crucial encounters (Master Chief in CE, for example).

Tactics were something Humanity dominated the Covenant in. Of course, Humans have fought on the ground for millennia, and that shaped that. Human victories were almost exclusively on the ground. Even at that, tactics helped in space, look at Commander Keyes, for example.

And resistance is simple: the human endurance, spirit of resistance and no surrender, etc. Probably how we managed to survive.

That's my views anyway.

gilded mason
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I imagine the actual page is archived, but I don't feel like finding it lol

humble yacht
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I knew I saw it

unique rune
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Ground conflicts were more even in the sense that they weren’t as nightmarishly lopsided in favor of the Covenant as space battles.

gilded mason
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Yup

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You got hit with the overly-tuned bot. 😔

unique rune
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Little bit surprised that word gets flagged

stiff fiber
gilded mason
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Truth was already planning on killing Regret

unique rune
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Either way humanity would’ve lost the whole ordeal if Truth hadn’t ousted the Sangheili, leading to internal conflict and even a Sangheili-human alliance.

gilded mason
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Indeedy

stiff fiber
tacit charm
agile zodiac
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Some grand fleet it was.

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I think they used a Nova bomb they snuck onto a ship.

gilded mason
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It was just a few hundred

agile zodiac
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Still, if the great schism hadn't happened that number could have been much larger.

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Especially say if that ship was docked on High Charity.

gilded mason
#

Now we're just getting into hypotheticals

agile zodiac
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I'm just saying

unique rune
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If they got lucky, sure, but the Hierarchs had effectively banished ‘Wattinree to the Covenant’s outer reaches so it probably wouldn’t have done much in the grand scheme of things.

tacit charm
gilded mason
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People have

agile zodiac
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The Spirit of Fire literally blew up a planet with a Forerunner fleet that was to be utilized by the Covenant to end the war with a Slipspace drive, so I say anything is possible.

gilded mason
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They just don't do so these days

agile zodiac
tacit charm
unique rune
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Anything is possible, sure, but not necessarily likely.

tacit charm
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;-;

agile zodiac
#

Also, the Banished.

unique rune
#

I mean. What about them?

tacit charm
#

they're cringe

agile zodiac
unique rune
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The Covenant never took them off the map because they were more just a minor thorn in their side than an actual threat.

agile zodiac
#

Oof

unique rune
#

Isabel’s dialogue in HW2 plays them up as some grandiose threat but in reality they weren’t a whole lot more than a band of inconvenient raiders and pirates.

agile zodiac
#

In Halo Wars 2 it literally says the Banished were the main threat to the Covenant not Humanity.

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And Humanity won because of all the forces weighing down the Covenant.

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Hence why Humanity is now contending with the Banished.

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The medium that was the Covenant is gone.

agile zodiac
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So I rest my case.

gilded mason
agile zodiac
#

Sure, but the events of Infinite also support her claims of the Banished Prowess.

tacit charm
agile zodiac
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Nonetheless.

unique rune
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They caught the Infinity off-guard and rammed like four of their dreadnoughts right into it.

gilded mason
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The Phoenix Logs show a more accurate picture of minor raiders that did hit and run tactics on supply depots. Nothing exactly major.

tacit charm
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also since we have barely any clear info on the entire battle that first ship that rammed the infinity could have done so at 50% speed of light, who knows

agile zodiac
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Then there's the issue of the dead Guardians in the background of Infinite.

tacit charm
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explains why no one saw a bloody dreadnaught coming

agile zodiac
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I'll just say I'm under the impression that the Banished are quite formidible.

timid cloud
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Doesn’t escharum explain the battle at the end

agile zodiac
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Where the ship just comes out of Slipspace.

tacit charm
tacit charm
gilded mason
agile zodiac
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I just rewatched it real quick.

tacit charm
gilded mason
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neural physics

tacit charm
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unless ofc it was going at 100000000000000000 times the speed of light

tacit charm
#

also surprise starts didnt bring up the supercarrier in the banished

agile zodiac
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I didn't

tacit charm
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ik

tacit charm
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i mean last i checked owning a supercarrier aint as easy as picking apples off a tree

agile zodiac
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I haven't read that book.

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If it's a book that is.

tacit charm
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tough luck

agile zodiac
#

Fairly sure it is.

tacit charm
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i just said it's in shadows of reach

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last i checked there aint no halo shadows of reach game

agile zodiac
#

Okay.

tacit charm
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with that being said that supercarrier whether it be a cso or copy paste sublime transcended is still going to get one shot by an odp or the infinity's smac

humble yacht
#

There’s more to halo than just books and games

tacit charm
#

tashi nah shadows of reach is a manga

agile zodiac
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Either way, doesn't matter what the Infinity could instakill since it's dead.

gilded mason
#

since it's dead.
😌 👌 🎉

agile zodiac
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Doesn't disprove that the Banished are kinda messing everything up.

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Hopefully we'll get to see more with campaign expansions.

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Would certainly be cool to go through the Infinity's crashsite Halo CE/Titanfall 2 style.

tacit charm
agile zodiac
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I'm just waiting for the Spirit of Fire to return so all their veterans can give every a decent butt kicking.

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Plus, I'd love to see some HW stuff find its way into Infinite.

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The Locust, Hunter Captain, Vampire, Scarab, etc.

unique rune
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I’m going to sigh with disappointment and go scream into a freezer if they drag the Spirit of Fire into Infinite

agile zodiac
#

Oh, and the Brute Shot from Atriox's chosen.

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Which oddly we never see in Infinite.

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We see the hand of atriox but not the chosen

tacit charm
humble yacht
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He didn’t bring all of his troops with him when he returned to the Milky Way

tacit charm
#

they're going to upgrade the sof to be a hybrid forerunner ship

humble yacht
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He left most of the forces he took to the Ark there to fight for control

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And as long as the Ark is contested, neither the Banished nor the Spirit of Fire will leave

agile zodiac
#

Also, we never got a conclusion to the Flood outbreak arc.

humble yacht
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Yes we did

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The flood was recontained

agile zodiac
#

In which media?

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Because the end of awakening the nightmare was very vague.

humble yacht
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Halo wars 2 dlc

tacit charm
#

halo wars 2

humble yacht
#

It’s not that vague

tacit charm
#

;-; beaten

humble yacht
#

The protogravemind is destroyed and the sentinels begin the process of containment and repairing the hardlight wall

agile zodiac
#

Sure, but that doesn't mean it's contained. We never see that officially.

#

I mean, we literally see Atriox get ambushed by an Infection form

humble yacht
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It’s a safe assumption.

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Safe enough that succeeding media feels no need to address that flood outbreak

tacit charm
#

also dont remember divine wind mentioning anymore flood outbreaks currently so there's that

humble yacht
#

Nope

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It did not

unique rune
#

The primary coordinating form of the outbreak was defeated, I think it’s a pretty clear indication that the outbreak has been suppressed for the time being.

agile zodiac
#

Hmmmm

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Could be a plot hole, because we know the UNSC were involved in Awakening the Nightmare.

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And we also know the Spirit of Fire has a lot of experience with the Flood.

#

Je ne sais pas 🤷

humble yacht
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It’s not really a plot hole, it’s just not something that needs to be continued

versed helm
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Flood are cool af but I'm happy with what we've got.

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It would suck if they got overused

humble yacht
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Flood suck, lol

versed helm
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I love the flood but yeah in game their really annoying

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The idea and concept is cool though

agile zodiac
#

Either way, falling back on my point. Voridus and Pavium would have been way better antagonists than Tovarus and Hyperius.

humble yacht
#

I find them the least interesting faction

versed helm
#

Fair

agile zodiac
#

I think the Flood could be great if they were executed right, it just hasn't been done like that yet.

#

Still, I felt Halo Infinite was lacking in enemy variety when there was so much stuff introduced with them in Halo Wars 2 that just didn't follow the faction.

#

Having Chief fight a Hunter Captain such as Colony's hero for a boss would have been great.

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Or the Skitterers would have been 10× better than the Skimmers.

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And almost fill the exact same role.

versed helm
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It is told in Phoenix-Logs that the Banished utilized hit-and-run tactics along guerilla warfare.

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They were very weak back then as seen in Rise of Atriox.

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Having obtained the CAS of Volir by 2554.

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Or 2553?

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Well later on they took Jovus' CCS and his whole warpack.

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In 2554.

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And Atriox was in his corvette after the end of the war.

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The Rise of Atriox shows us how the Banished were back then.

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So it is surprisive by some 5 years the Banished had a whole fleet with a supercarrier.

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Atriox shows how convincing he is, I believe he has S-Tier the Luck and Charisma, ngl

agile zodiac
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Atriox is great

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||I'm very glad he wasn't actually killed off||

versed helm
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He recruited 3 Silent Shadow members

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and then 40k troops and crew members along an extremely versatile shipmaster

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They absorbed three legions by 2559.

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Of Jiralhanae.

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And legions size of 8k to 20k so yeah.

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Pretty much, Banished only gained power like 4-5 years after the end of the war.

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The bigger they are, the faster they recruit.

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"Yo dudes, the Banished is pretty chill, maybe you could like join it or something." - something atriox would say

agile zodiac
#

Halo Infinite has a lot of potential with everything as it is now.

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Lots of characters all over the place that could come together or not.

versed helm
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We gotta wait until the next DLC.

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It's 4 months left.

agile zodiac
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Seeing Chief with Red Team and the Spirit of Fire would be great

versed helm
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Oh and Rubicon Protocol.

agile zodiac
#

So is it confirmed next dlc is 4 months away?

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Or is that just next season?

versed helm
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I believe it's likely that it's 4 months way.

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Not confirmed yet.

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What is confirmed is Rubicon Protocol going out next month.

agile zodiac
#

Is Rubicon Protocol a shootoff like H3:ODST?

versed helm
#

Two things can happen:

Banished is ruined and my dissappointment is immeasurable

Or Banished are 10 times cooler, better explained and a good book.

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nah it's a book

agile zodiac
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Oof

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Hopefully it explains the fates of the unaccounted for Spartans.

versed helm
#

A Halo Novel by Kelly Gay.

agile zodiac
#

Like Horvath and Vetel I believe.

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Since I don't think the audio logs say what happened to them.

versed helm
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Kelly only made S&S, Renegade and Point of Light.

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Which are good? I guess.

gilded mason
#

Unused audio logs show their deaths, at least

versed helm
#

They have lots of lore.

agile zodiac
gilded mason
agile zodiac
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I assumed that Horvath was just roughing it out in the Desert area Chief was thrown out into at the end of Halo Infinite because of his Multiplayer Armor scheme.

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I was hoping he lived.

versed helm
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I just want more Jiralhanae lore please give us a book speaking about the First Immolation.

near tide
versed helm
#

monki good

humble yacht
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If they were cut content then they can’t be considered canon yet

versed helm
agile zodiac
#

The Halo Wars models make their size kinda hard to judge

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They're operated hunter worms I believe.

loud kestrel
low whale
#

also not horrendously amoral

loud kestrel
humble yacht
#

No

loud kestrel
low whale
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||he survives to the credits cutscene||

loud kestrel
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cause by the time chief reached the ring he fought escharum so i thought atriox died on the ship

loud kestrel
untold wasp
gilded mason
low whale
loud kestrel
#

i saw him in the last cutscene

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but this ring

gilded mason
#

Then it should be spelled out that he's alive

untold wasp
loud kestrel
gilded mason
#

Even if he was in the past, that still wouldn't mean he died on the ship, now would it?

low whale
#

can people not follow a narrative any more lmao

agile zodiac
#

First play the game on heroic

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Then on legendary for the cutscene

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That's how you do Halo.

humble yacht
#

I did legendary first time and still understood

main rivet
lilac lava
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why am i playing as the arbiter in halo2

gilded mason
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Why wouldn't you

lilac lava
#

??? im asking

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how did this happen

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why am i ane lite

gilded mason
#

Because you are?

unique rune
#

It really do be like that sometimes

gilded mason
#

^

lilac lava
#

am the bad guy?

gilded mason
#

Only you can answer that question

humble yacht
#

It’s 2004 all over again, boys

lilac lava
unique rune
#

Play the game and find out?

gilded mason
#

^

valid hemlock
restive shuttle
humble yacht
lilac lava
#

im not mad about playing him

versed helm
ebon coyote
#

Zeta Halo was in orbit around REACH before slipping to its new position??

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so it is entirely possible that Infinity crash landed not on Halo but REACH

gilded mason
#

Why would you think that?

ebon coyote
#

conversation that took place on Xbox live party chat earlier lol

stray tinsel
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it was shown to him in a dream

gilded mason
ebon coyote
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i had to ask cuz i was adamant that NO Zeta Halo was never in orbit of REACH...but i was told that no im wrong...so i thought id make sure i was on the right track

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i think i know why ||[Persons name has been REDACTED]|| said that though

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cuz at the end of HW2 Cutter referenced a comms beacon near reach

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so idk

gilded mason
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That was regarding 09

ebon coyote
#

oh

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so right idea just the wrong Installation lol

versed helm
#

09 is the replacement of the replacement of 04 right?

untold wasp
#

08 and 09

ebon coyote
#

09 is "Anders Halo"

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...if i remember correctly cuz now...im having doubts lol

untold wasp
#

so is the launch site map a replica of fireteam windfall's base of operation since it has the same logo as windfall

loud kestrel
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hope she comes back alive

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i dont want another sergeant forge accident

ebon coyote
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i dont either

#

but we know the Spirit is safe and wreaking havoc at Installation 00

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we DONT know the status of infinity...we only have assumptions at this point

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we know the Reverie was lost (with all hands??)

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and an unidentified frigate was also killed...again presumably with all hands aboard

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we need to verify the UNKNOWNs

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we know what THE UNSC has...Scattered Forces and infrastructure to support them...but thats about all we have...first we need to secure UNSC assets...verify the UNKNOWNs...KILL the banished and retake Zeta Halo...then i would assume deactivate it for study and decommissioning

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...am i missing anything??

loud kestrel
#

halo infinite

near tide
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The difference between brutes and Spartans is almost funny

#

Decimus is 2 feet taller than chief and 1200 pounds heavier

loud kestrel
#

much more powerful

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big body builder guy

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thats almost a literal ton of muscle

tacit charm
loud kestrel
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decimus, is a non enhanced being, yet he can equal a spartans strength in melee combat if not overpower them even if by just a little

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it would take 2 spartans to beat him

tacit charm
#

a spartan in mark 4 or 5 sure

loud kestrel
#

unless ur dealing with a very special spartan

tacit charm
#

mark 6 and beyond and it's equal game or gg for the brute

loud kestrel
#

not for the normal sII

tacit charm
#

last i checked

loud kestrel
#

chief is among the best if not the best

tacit charm
#

a brute cant lift 50 to 100 ton rock

loud kestrel
#

took him a lot of effort to beat decimus

tacit charm
#

while injured

tacit charm
loud kestrel
tacit charm
#

yes

near tide
tacit charm
#

he did it in shadows of reach

tacit charm
loud kestrel
#

lmao

tacit charm
#

again

#

if you want to do the math be my guest

near tide
#

You complain about random minor inconsistencies

tacit charm
#

it aint minor

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legit atriox should have been sent across the room going off calcs from mc's punch

loud kestrel
#

ur talking of master chief from the books who is insanely OP

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normal master chief wouldnt be doing that

tacit charm
#

he's powerful in the games too

loud kestrel
#

he is

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undoubtedly

tacit charm
#

man just casually punches through titanium in halo 3

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also if you use in game stuff then technically he's miles ahead of book chief

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but that's in game stuff so nah

near tide
#

Atriox weighs more than chief by a a few hundred pounds

tacit charm
#

he does

near tide
tacit charm
#

but the force outputted by chief (supposedly) would still fling atriox all over the infinity

tacit charm
#

there are some/alot that take artistic liberties

near tide
#

Lift isn’t equal to punch fully anyway

gilded mason
#

Thinking of the Osiris cutscenes where Elites stand around lethargically and die to single shots

tacit charm
#

ik

loud kestrel
#

that is true

near tide
#

Atriox is a walking tank too

loud kestrel
#

u might be able to throw a 20 pound weight, but can u punch it and have it fly across the room?

#

no

tacit charm
#

but 00 did a calc about chief's punch and oh boy im starting to question how much does atriox actually weigh

near tide
#

1400

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Not including power armor

#

This is coming from spartan field manual

tacit charm
#

and chief punched with 277 tons of force

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supposedly

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also we see naomi do the same thing in glasslands and that brute was practically dead

near tide
#

Atriox is a beast

tacit charm
#

also jerome managed to somehow elbow an elite like 12 feet across the room in mark 4 so that's interesting too

tacit charm
loud kestrel
tacit charm
#

now for his face

loud kestrel
#

i bet if u study martial arts, u can learn a bit about the force and who knows maybe atriox had some method to counter chiefs punch?

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without taking the full force

loud kestrel
tacit charm
#

i do actually do martial arts

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but the math still points towards atriox's face should have been turned into a pancake

loud kestrel
#

🥞

#

atrioxmini 🥞

tacit charm
#

the only reason why i think he wasnt is cause chief was dazed

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that's it

loud kestrel
#

atrioxmini🥞 = chiefmini 🍵🎒

real pumice
#

hear me out

rvb is acknowledged inside halo officially (in most games they are featured in campaigns), and in the episode where caboose goes to space, he fills the role of noble six and plays through the campaign

#

not only then is caboose noble six, he is also responsible for delivering the pillar of autumn, master chief and cortana into the mainstream series.

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thus noble six is very much alive

loud kestrel
#

if ur trying to say the series connects the 2, no, not fully

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the series is its own timeline

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the "silver timeline"

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not connected with the halo that we know entirely

#

noble 6 surviving reach is just a bunch of rumours and myths

#

we all saw im get stabbed with that energy sword

gilded mason
#

Toxin is joking. ...And talking about RvB, not the TV show coming out.

loud kestrel
#

nobody can survive that much less before the planet ur on gets glassed

real pumice
#

i was p sure rvb was cannon considering halo 3's easter egg

gilded mason
real pumice
#

fair enough

#

it would be funny to think caboose was noble 6 though

loud kestrel
#

Mr Anderson

real pumice
#

glad you acknowledged the pfp

loud kestrel
#

lmao yeah i love the matrix

real pumice
#

awesome??

loud kestrel
#

keanu reeves is just greatest actor in and off the stage

real pumice
#

just 1 or do you like some others

real pumice
#

hugo weaving takes the cake though (heavily biased)

loud kestrel
#

ive watched all the matrixs minus the newest one, and most of keanu reeves movies i think?

real pumice
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i liked 1 the best, 2 is very close

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3 is ok

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4 sucks tbh

loud kestrel
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1 was great, although i havent watched them in a while so my memory isnt perfect with the other matrix's

real pumice
#

especially considering no hugo weaving as smith

loud kestrel
#

keanu reeves is the best actor, makes me like him more since i can just see the genuine kindness from him all around

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like hes an actual nice human being, i feel like u dont run into too many of those

tough snow
#

does master chief use a toilet or does he have a specific container for that in his suit

terse lava
#

The armor is capable of recycling the waste

terse pecan
#

Can somebody recap the events of Halo 4+5 I haven't played them so some of infinite is a bit confusing

austere citrus
#

I'm replaying all the halo games before I play infinite. I'm on halo 4 rn.

austere citrus
glacial oracle
glacial oracle
# terse pecan Can somebody recap the events of Halo 4+5 I haven't played them so some of infin...

Takes a deep breath

Halo 4 takes place 4 years after the closing events of Halo 3 in which the Chief and the Arbiter fled into the Forward onto Dawn to escape the exploding ARK by taking advantage of the FoD's slipspace drive. However, during the escape the FoD was split into 2 resulting in Chief drifting in space for 4 years in a Cryo pod.

Halo 4 begins with the Chief being awakened by Cortana by a threat of a Covenant fleet and an unknown energy signature scanning the ship while being drifted towards a unknown Forerunner planet. The Covenant that we fight in Halo 4 is a faction that split off from the Covenant in the previous games explaining why they are attacking us. Chief manages to destroy a Covenant carrier by using the FoD missiles and after doing so the Forerunner planet opened its entrance and with the manipulation of gravity causes the Covenant, Chief, and the FOD to be forcefully sucked into the planet.

The FoD and most of the covenant ships crash into the planet with the Chief surviving. Its revealed that Cortana is suffering from a state of-

+++++++

Ok on second thought this is actually alot. I recommend as Mief suggested looking up a video

tacit charm
terse pecan
#

ok thanks

white forum
#

I mean... yeah but watch a summary video if you can. You need more context.

terse pecan
#

ok

#

ima probably just play through it I have MCC but its not downloaded rn

dense schooner
#

How effective would a spartan 2 headhunter in mark 7 be

unique rune
#

Spartan-II Headhunters don't exist.

dense schooner
#

Let’s say one did exist

#

Or Someone with similar skill to master chief

unique rune
#

So... pretty much any Spartan-II.

dense schooner
#

I guess

#

Also what happened to the majority of the Spartan-II’s

unique rune
#

So what exactly are you looking for with "how effective"?
Because that's... not really a question with a clear answer.

dense schooner
#

Killing effectiveness

unique rune
#

Also what happened to the majority of the Spartan-II’s
Killed or crippled by augmentations.
Killed in action during the Fall of Reach and its immediate aftermath.

unique rune
# dense schooner Killing effectiveness

I mean... That's not really something with a good answer either. They'd be really good at doing that shooting and killing thing they've always been good at.

dense schooner
#

So are there a small amount or is. Master chief the only one left

unique rune
#

There's around 14-15 left.

dense schooner
#

Ok that’s an ok amount

unique rune
#

006, 010, 011, 025, 042, 058, 087, 092, 099, 104, 111, 117, 120, 130

#

Not counting the new ones introduced for the TV series who presumably have core canon counterparts that we don't know anything about.

dense schooner
#

Could more Spartan-II’s pop up

mighty shadow
#

No

unique rune
#

I mean, if someone wanted to write in more, sure.
Their numbers have already been a mess for years with additions like Gray, Black, Red, and Omega so I doubt it.

#

Oh, Jorge too.

fast falcon
#

However the more you introduce the more you kinda underscore how terrible Reach was and how much of an impact it left on all the SIIs

dense schooner
#

Jorge was an interesting one

#

Do you think oni would make more considering how effective they were

unique rune
#

Uhhh... no?

#

They have Spartan-IV now if they need more Spartans.

#

Kidnapping children and augmenting them with procedures that only have a ~50% success rate would be an absolutely terrible idea.

mighty shadow
#

Sp2's had to be trained since they were kids since a child's mind is more adaptable and body too

dense schooner
#

What’s next Spartan-Vs

unique rune
#

I mean, if they wanted to make another program, sure.

dense schooner
#

Seems like something 343 would do

unique rune
#

As it stands I doubt it.

#

Why would they do that?

dense schooner
#

New content?

unique rune
#

What new content?

dense schooner
#

It would be an interesting topic

fast falcon
#

SIVs already effectively full any role that another Spartan group could fill

dense schooner
#

Adding a new branch of Spartans

unique rune
#

Spartan-IV is already designed in a way that makes it so major innovation can just be directly integrated into it

#

There's not any need to make an entirely new program

fast falcon
#

The reason for the upgrading branches of Spartans were based around the ease of developing the Spartans and the morality behind how they recrutied

dense schooner
#

Unless most of the spartan 4s die

fast falcon
#

With SIVs that have an easy, safe, and moral replacement to the SIIs

unique rune
#

...In which case they can just make more S-IVs.

#

They don't need to jump to a theoretical S-V.

fast falcon
#

Yeah an SIVs is far easier to replace than an SII or making a whole new branch

unique rune
#

Making more Spartans has never been a justification for starting up a new program.
Spartan-II at one point was planned to have a second class. Never was called Spartan-III.
Spartan-III's companies were all initiated and trained at different times, yet none of them were given a new number. They were all just new companies under the same program.

What has been the reason for going up a number is innovation and improvement.

dense schooner
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Hm

fast falcon
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As well as a whole shift in command and who produced the program, but that was partially due to necessity and the times

dense schooner
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Well didn’t the banished prove to be a threat

unique rune
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...And?

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What do the Banished have anything to do with Spartan generations?

dense schooner
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Well weren’t they able to kill S-IVs relatively easily

mighty shadow
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Plus SpIIIs were made to just combat the covenant on a wide scale and be suicide troops

dense schooner
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Well weren’t they expendable

fast falcon
unique rune
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Also worth considering that they've been killing Spartan-IVs with a significant advantage behind them.

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Demoralized, isolated, resource-strapped S-IVs.

untold wasp
tacit charm
stiff fiber
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Spartans Never Die.

tacit charm
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no

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they cringe

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spartans always cringe

dense schooner
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Pretty sure Jorge is dead

ebon coyote
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or

stiff fiber
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Nah. He's 100% been reincarnated as an elite.

humble yacht
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Someone who believes their propaganda

fast falcon
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Nah Jorge is hiding in a slipspace cave lmao

humble yacht
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Section 2 be like 🙌

ebon coyote
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thinking more optimistically he is still aboard the long night of solace as it entered slipspace then got dropped off somewhere

tacit charm
stiff fiber
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Imma be real, if Spartans didn't Die, my campaigns wouldn't be the same.

tacit charm
ebon coyote
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honesltly REACH made me depressed cuz i couldnt save ANY spartans...Gauntlet, Red and Echo teams...NOBLE...all lost

tacit charm
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reach made me question things

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ill tell you that

ebon coyote
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oh??

unique rune
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Reach makes my eyes glaze over because everything looks so brown and grey

ebon coyote
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what did it make you question @tacit charm

tacit charm
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how did cso a 28km long ship manage to slip through reach

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why did the unsc just bumrush into battle (tip of the spear intro) when they could literally be all wiped out by a few plasma torpedo or energy projector

fast falcon
ebon coyote
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well i could only assume because of teh precision grante dby covenant slipspace drives...they simply bypassed her (REACH) orbital defense grid

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which probably explains why instead of 20 Earth had 300 lol

unique rune
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...But how did the thing go entirely unnoticed until some barely related comms relay went down.

stiff fiber
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Reach for me makes me question the UNSC.

It was the main fortress world that remained, Earth being the main major planet left beyond it. Why on earth (or off earth, in this case) wasn't the UNSC being more proactive to prevent their advance, rather than being reactive. The fact that Noble Team stumbled across them, believing them to be insurrectionists, and then the surprise of High Com at the revelation that the Covenant were on Reach.

Considering that throughout most of the war, the Covenant struggled on land, with their major advantage being superior numbers.

Was the UNSC being incompetent or were they just switching to Defence of Earth mode?

ebon coyote
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now THAT i cannot explain lol

unique rune
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If they dropped out of slipspace underneath the ODP network there'd be some massive signs of it.

tacit charm
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why did savanah engage in such close ship to ship combat i mean it's space

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why didnt i get noticed or picked up by the falcons at the beginning of exodus when you would clearly be able to see me

ebon coyote
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well if Savannah used her cannon then boarding the corvette...would have rendered upper cut phase 2 moot

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so a strafing run with her point defense cannons would make sense

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...unless im missing something

tacit charm
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why didnt the unsc just just mac/bombard the battlefield (tip of the spear again) with missiles instead of engaging stuff like wraiths and scarabs in essentially close quarters combat

ebon coyote
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maybe missiles?? but that also would have been risky not just to the corvette but to the sabres and spartans as well...i do not know if the weapons officer can steer the weapons in like a mark 48 ADCAP

humble yacht
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Probably because bombarding the planet surface with mac rounds would upset the ecosystem

tacit charm
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fire it at a lower speed

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anyways

humble yacht
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That’s like saying “use a smaller nuke”

tacit charm
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i mean

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they can do it

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did it at the end of the level

humble yacht
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Maybe if it wasn’t their planet then they’d consider that course of action

tacit charm
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not like the cov can intercept a mac round

humble yacht
tacit charm
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ik

humble yacht
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They shot a big tower

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Big difference

tacit charm
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just saying they can shoot at a lower velocity

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if they didnt

ebon coyote
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i mean i would argue that REACH was the UNSCs version of pearl harbor...the pride of the Navy and probably the MOST defensible...i blame complacency...complacency ALWAYS plays a factor is such things

tacit charm
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wtf is that spire made out of

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also macs arent generally all that powerful (at least the ones on the paris anyways)

ebon coyote
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i too was expecting the covenant to receive a serious beating at REACH...then Kat dropped a fat one...i KNOW were losing i want to know if weve lost

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flash forward to Infinite...we are probably teh only 2 humans left alive out here

humble yacht
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That wasn’t until after the covenant backup arrived

ebon coyote
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then there is still hope

stiff fiber
# ebon coyote i mean i would argue that REACH was the UNSCs version of pearl harbor...the prid...

Hard to compare Pearl Harbour to Reach.

Reach was a significant loss, against an established enemy.

Pearl Harbour was an attack from a party not at war with the US, and actually didn't do much damage in the grand scheme of things.

I'd compare the first contact between Humanity and the Covenant to the Pearl Harbour.

The UNSC didn't lose a huge amount - like Reach - however the Covenant weren't a declared enemy, in fact, they didn't exist to us. Although, Harvest came into the Firing Line.

tacit charm
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why and how did an odp mac round intercept a corvette despite being in geosync orbit, either that station had to fire at full speed/4% the speed of light which well rip noble team and sword baseor it would have had to literally fire an hour before noble got there and dont get me started on how dumb that is

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why in the entire mission of nightfall was no cov alerted to some spartans infiltrating their site, you cant signal for help or something when you see a pair of titanium men infiltrate your base? that's dumb

ebon coyote
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just my emotions wont allow me to be objective when it comes to REACH...or the infinity or that matter

last anchor
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OPDs dont fire 4% of light speed. Thats bad data, always has been

tacit charm
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it's in the fall of reach though ;-;

last anchor
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Most of it can be boiled down to "Bungie didnt bother to read anything beyond the basics of what Nylund wrote" because they happily stole his Spartan-IIIs for Noble and yet didnt bother to match the storyline of Reach to the book.

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The fans had to do that for them.

tacit charm
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or whatever you want 'point four-tenths' to mean

last anchor
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We did it, but it would have been a lot easier if they'd made do with the existing material.

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I mean, when Reach came out I HATED its campaign cause of that.

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I was so mad.

tacit charm
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fall of reach also has 30km/s macs too so that's interesting

last anchor
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Though to be fair I didnt wanna replay the Covenant invasion I wanted to play on the surface instead, running hit and fade strikes on the Covenant remnants there

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Like in First Strike

tacit charm
humble yacht
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The corvette was over a body of water so maybe that’s why the use of a max round was considered ok

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Like detonating a Nuke underwater largely reduces the danger

tacit charm
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last i checked we dont have nukes in the gigaton ranges

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ever

fast falcon
tacit charm
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either that mac round travelled the full 4% speed which would explain why it was able to intercept the corvette while it's fleeing but doesnt address why the resulting ke passing through the ship wouldnt have resulted in everyone dying since last i checked that corvette or any ship for that matter outside of unyielding hierophant have gigaton level shielding. the more likely option is it fired at a much slower velocity which is the annoying since odps are in geo synch orbit so it would have to fire fast enough to be intercept the ship in time but not have the passing ke from transferring pass the ship and bombing yeeting sword base

humble yacht
tacit charm
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there's also the other option a mac on a ship fired that mac round but pedia aint making any notes on this so...

humble yacht
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The corvette also wasn’t fleeing at a particularly fast speed

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Longswords were able to keep up with it, which to me suggests moving at around the speed of sound or just under

tacit charm
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fast enough to cover it's own length in a few seconds

humble yacht
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Radar can track jets moving at super sonic speeds, you’d just need to do some math to calculate where to aim so the paths intersect

tacit charm
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i mean it can track it sure

humble yacht
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And then unsc has AI so calculations like that could be done near instantly

tacit charm
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but how fast is that mac round actually travelling is the real deal

humble yacht
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However fast it was moving, it would have been a known speed so that would have been factored into the calculations

tacit charm
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oh ye also forgetting the option the odps can just switch rounds so there's that

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if you take the cutscene at face value (did this like half a year ago so dont at me) but that mac was travelling at 11+km/s which is fine if the odps are 100 km above reach's surface but they arent

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just to suspense logic for a second and assume the shields of a corvette can withstand 1 megaton of damage (there's no lore supporting the 1 megaton stuff if anything the number would be lower, anyways just for the sake of the argument) and the round the odp is firing is still the 3000 ton variant then it's still only travelling at 52.8ish km/s which is still a tad bit slow considering where yo average odps are normally located

last anchor
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I mean, by technicality, theres weirdness about that in-game.
Kat literally asks "wheres our orbital support, got to be 4 platforms that could take it out with a single MAC rounds."
When LITERALLY SECONDS INTO THE OPENING CUTSCENE Dot says they cant use MAC rounds cause of how important Sword is

near tide
tacit charm
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issue in that one cutscene is the round is either going to fast or too slow making that corvette either more powerful than any covenant ship bar unyielding hierophant (maybe) and high charity or somehow weaker than a light cruiser

last anchor
untold wasp
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also i think in the logs he took them out with his weapon and got the screwdriver to fight tovarus and hyperius, but i got to double check

last anchor
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Well theres a Brute with a screwdriver driven into his brain in the pile o corpses so

untold wasp
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i guess

untold wasp
inland nymph
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What was wrong with Escharum? The Blade Master said he smelled sick or something to that effect.

humble yacht
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He’s old

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And dying

stiff fiber
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Isn't he exceptionally old for a Brute by the events of Infinite?

humble yacht
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Pretty much

inland nymph
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Having an Elite comment on how bad something smells reminded me of Half-Jaw warning the Arbiter about the Flood in Halo 2.

digital parrot
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Dont elites smell like armpit and rancid?

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I remember reading that in the Mona Lisa Story

gilded mason
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Are you seriously asking or

digital parrot
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Im being truthful

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Thats what they smell like

gilded mason
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I think they generally just smell "leathery"

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As for Mona Lisa...I think there were circumstances there

unique rune
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I mean, leave anyone on a prison ship where Flood experiments are carried out and they'll smell like unwashed armpits.

gilded mason
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^

digital parrot
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Dont know tbh

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Just made that assumption

gilded mason
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Context clues are always good to look out for

unique rune
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Feels like we've had a weird week for Sangheili questions.

gilded mason
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Yeah

digital parrot
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Youre telling me

inland nymph
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Does it seem like 343 is introducing more and more groups into Halo? Rather than big bads, they're going for competing factions?

digital parrot
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I just browse from time to time

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This channel

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I saw elite eggs and was like huh

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Yeah they have a leathery scent

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Prison ship was the reason for that elites smell lol

loud kestrel
loud kestrel
loud kestrel
inland nymph
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Reach was alot of things.

copper trellis
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Grunt burger... what a name-

mental plover
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Humanity's Military Cornerstone.

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Home of the Spartans.

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Creator of the Moa Burger.

ebon coyote
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for only 7 credits you can get a grunt burger and frenchy fries...pay a quarter extra and get a dimpisized meal

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oh wait wrong movie

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💩

tacit charm
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also to bring up something from yesterday, it's not uncommon for a mac to fire at a lower velocity whether that be on purpose like the spire or just not charging in time

pulsar grail
velvet rose
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why doesn't the mjolnir visor look transparent at all,yet chief and others perfectly see through it ?

unique rune
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It's polarized.

velvet rose
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makes sense

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but then odst kicks in with the visor that turns from regular glass into non-transparent grey glass

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depending on visr mod being turned off and on respectively

inland nymph
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Spacesuits IRL have a gold flim that blocks light coming in, but let's them see out. Spartan helmets have a HUD though, like a TV screen.

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Were most AI approaching the 7 year limit by the time of Halo 4?

gilded mason
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AI aren't made at the same time, so no

inland nymph
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That depends.

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Consider that 1.) Smart AI were a primary and least expendable of all assets. If the UNSC could save anything from a Covenant invasion, it'd be the AI. 2.) Manufacturing them isn't exactly easy. Requires specialist equipment and skills, not to mention materials.

There may have been a surplus of Smart AI after the war. Cortana's generation, the last ones to be made before the Covenant made their big push toward earth.

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In the audiofiles for Infinity, she claims most AI in the galaxy sided with the Created. I'm kind of thinking most AI were nearing the end of their service life. Halo 5 has two examples of AI near or at the end, but still being put to work.

gilded mason
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Smart AI aren't made all at once per generation. They're made whenever.

ebon coyote
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quick question when Boomerang Company killed the Despair class fighter on Installation 00...was that a diversion so Atriox could escape to REACH on a lich??

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also to follow up on westleys chain of thought YES governor sloan and rooker were both at the end of there service lives...however i only know of an exceptional few that DIDNT side with cortana...Roland being chief among them...there was also BB (BlackBox) and the AI that were salvaged from Sydney before it was (presumed) destroyed

gilded mason
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Because we barely got any details on the Created era.

ebon coyote
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i would say almost nothing BUT then again y'all are the experts i am just the new jack lol

inland nymph
# gilded mason Smart AI aren't made all at once per generation. They're made whenever.

Think of it in terms of demographics. The average age of AI in the galaxy by Halo 4 was probably pretty high. Like 4 or 5 years. You'd have newer ones like Roland made in between Halo 3 and Halo 4, but they'd be comparatively rare because of the effort involved.

Consider that Infinity launched without an AI. The all important UNSC flagship with all it's rare and special tech.

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There's also the fact that Cortana's generation saw the worst days, quite possibly the last days of humanity.

gilded mason
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Roland was made in 2557. And Infinity did launch with an AI.

inland nymph
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Where is it in Halo 4 then lol?

gilded mason
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Cortana killed her by accident

inland nymph
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lol

ebon coyote
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infinitys AI was Aine

gilded mason
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According to external media

ebon coyote
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before she was killed by Cortana in her rampant state

gilded mason
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This shows quite a plethora of "birthdays"

inland nymph
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Right, well, my idea is that most Ai were old and served in the shadow of the Human-Covenant war. That'd determine their mindset. Even older ones nearing the end of their service lives are still being pressed to continue working because they're needed that much.

They're under alot of pressure.

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So it's less about saving themselves and more that humanity can't survive without them.

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It's easy to think that considering how true it apparently is.

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"Young" AI like Roland would be less inclined to betray their makers. Aside from still having years of service ahead of them, they don't really know how bad things can be.

patent dagger
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Oh, wait, no, I'm wrong.

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That's when his service ended.

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He was made in 2553.

inland nymph
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Reach established that AI have a kind of secret society where they have hidden communications with one another concerning the state of things.

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And they've existed for hundreds of years.

gilded mason
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343 has said that they would rather they retcon that

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So I wouldn't place too much stock in it

ebon coyote
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i mean a secret society makes sense given what happend with Iona

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also when i heard about Ionas "trial" Rolands outburst in H5 made TOTAL sense

inland nymph
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It seems to be a glorified chatroom for all intents in purposes.

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Not exactly a conspiracy.

gilded mason
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They've talked about how they guided humanity over the years and are even the ones who made the Covenant aware of humanity. So a little more important than just a chatroom

inland nymph
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Really? I don't remember that.

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Well, what I was getting at is that Ai talk to one another. And just like people, they can form a culture of shared experiences.

gilded mason
inland nymph
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That they'd have a generational mindset isn't unbelievable to me.

tacit charm