lore-and-universe

[ebon coyote]

A model being the first broadswords

[glacial oracle]

The sabres from Halo Reach were as you may recall 'experimental'. The normal broadswords were the ones we saw in halo CE that we hitched a ride on leaving a exploding ring.

[ebon coyote]

no the craft in CE was a C-709 LONGsword

[glacial oracle]

omegabruh

[ebon coyote]

not a broadsword

[loud kestrel]

shshshsh lmao the other guy knows his stuff

[ebon coyote]

so the Sabre we see in halo REACH is a "redesigned" (for lack of a better word) broadsword

[loud kestrel]

i thought it was a sabre?

[ebon coyote]

it is

[loud kestrel]

so is broadsword a class or that specific ships name

[ebon coyote]

that why i said resdigned for lack of abetter word lol

i would say its own class

but same family of craft

[loud kestrel]

probably class then

[ebon coyote]

so LONGswords, BROADswords and SHORTswords all beling to teh same family of craft

[loud kestrel]

wtf is this nonsense lmao

how the hell do i tell the difference

[ebon coyote]

let me pull some images

[loud kestrel]

k

https://tenor.com/view/escharum-halo-infinite-halo-infinite-seethe-gif-24120391

[ebon coyote]

with your permission @loud kestrel im going to send you some DMs because ifk if we are allowed to post images in here

[loud kestrel]

ok

u guys can just dm me whenever i dont have those weird issues with it other people tend to have

Spartan Jagger Steele, out

[tacit charm]

longswords are gigachad all around aircraft, shortsword are b2 lookalike aircraft and broadswords are chadier 200km/s, at one point shooting bullets 1/10 the speed of light aircraft

[unique rune]

The Longsword is such a bizarre design

Especially the C709 model
The thing is larger than a B2 Spirit but it’s supposed to be an atmospheric/exoatmospheric fighter-bomber
Like what in the world

[tacit charm]

what's wrong with a literal flying brick

[unique rune]

I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with it, it’s just a bit ridiculous and excessive

[tacit charm]

ye i meant this model

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/3/34/Enc22_C718Longsword.jpg

[ebon coyote]

lmao thats just a flying dorito chip LOL

[unique rune]

Never really paid close attention to the C718 before but now I’m seeing some bits of F-117A influence

[ebon coyote]

i cant unsee that now lol

[tacit charm]

i mean took you long enough

[steel stone]

I was very disappointed back in 2011 when we flew a Sabre instead of the Longsword in Halo Reach. To be curious in lore why did we have to fly the Sabre? was the Longsword just too big and fast for gameplay?

[terse lava]

I assume that would be the most likely case

With how wide it is it may have simply been too big to properly fly for a player

[steel stone]

Yeah and thinking about, the level as well would need to be bigger too.

Speaking of sizes what is the story of the crashed Longsword on Tempest on Halo Reach?

The Longsword that crashed is actually smaller, they really screwed up the sizes

My theory is Tempest was actually shrunk down, playing that map made me feel like a giant in so many places...

[terse lava]

No real story for it really

[steel stone]

I looked into a bit and some say it could be that Soren guy.

I think it was some marine that tried escaping when the Autumn crashed and was shot down by maybe the covies or some forerunner defence system.

[gilded mason]

I don't really see why anybody could think it was Soren

[steel stone]

Some say Soren stole a Longsword, Im sure Chief was the only one that was on Halo 04

[gilded mason]

The last time we saw Soren was in 2525 on Reach

So there's...really no reason anybody could think it was his

[steel stone]

Well that makes sense

[steel stone]

Do you think it was a marine that tried escaping the Autumn?

[gilded mason]

I guess

[steel stone]

I always liked the storied behind many of the Reach maps, surprised many don't talk about Longsword.

[gilded mason]

A lot of people probably just don't find it interesting or noteworthy

[steel stone]

I agree its not as eye catching as the weird dolphin picture that slowly opens its eyes.

[unique rune]

It’s meant to represent the smaller C712 model, which I assume Bungie created after they realized how absurdly large the original C708 Longsword is.

[steel stone]

That would explain alot, still wondering where it even came from...

[tacit charm]

well when a mommy longsword loves a daddy longsword...

[terse lava]

They make a sabre

[eternal temple]

Does anyone think that there are infinite universes here in this idk...?

[loud kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-dolphin-shaking-head-gif-13882573

[steel stone]

Some people say that multiverse is now a thing in Halo now

[steel stone]

That was scary, now saving that now I can send that to my friend and now he can be scared too, thank you.

[loud kestrel]

lmao your welcome

[tacit charm]

it's been a thing since the forerunner trilogy

and no im not talking about vacuum energy stuff

[steel stone]

You mean the now dubbed Halo forerunner saga

[tacit charm]

idc

[steel stone]

Trilogy normally means 3 games based around one theme from what I had been taught and a saga is something that goes beyond just 3 games.

[tacit charm]

what?

i meant the books

[steel stone]

What does multiverse mean to you?

[tacit charm]

a multiverse

[steel stone]

Im sure the books take place in the same Halo universe

[loud kestrel]

multiverse is that stuff in marvel lmao

to say the least

[steel stone]

Thats why I am asking I asked what it meant to him and he called it the comics which for the most part took takes place in the same universe

[terse lava]

He's referring to other "realities" the Forerunners knew of, like Shunspace, the Glow, and other oddball realms

[tacit charm]

when did i say the comics

[steel stone]

Yeah the books is what I meant

[tacit charm]

what about multiversal residue

[steel stone]

That is what I am talking about and wondering where it came from, had a cool discussion on this topic

[terse lava]

@tacit charm we have yet to see anything saying life was shown to exist in other universes, likely thanks to universes being consumed shortly after their big banga

[tacit charm]

oh ik

[terse lava]

@steel stone comes from Halo: Cryptum

[tacit charm]

made that point in r/halo server

[steel stone]

Woah it goes that far back? cool

[tacit charm]

...

i said it was in the forerunner trilogy...

[steel stone]

Would I be right if I said those medieval armor's they added to MCC Halo 3 be another Halo reality?

[tacit charm]

anyways there is some type of multiverse in halo

[steel stone]

Imagine the awesome possibilities

[tacit charm]

no info whether it's a marvel like smuck or just a universe is its own thing

[steel stone]

I wish Halo 4 and 5 hinted at something like that

[steel stone]

Halo had such a simple plot, can see it doing something like Marvel.

[terse lava]

Eh feels too cheap to me, bringing a multiverse in feels lazy in my book

[gilded mason]

Same

[steel stone]

Looking at those Medieval armors, imagine a Halo game that took place in that multiverse.

[tacit charm]

also here's the full quote
"Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, move stars, and
even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored
other realities, other spaces—slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick
geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm called the Glow"

idk, seems kinda redundant to just say you visited other dimensions twice

"and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies" also i like this line

very interesting

[steel stone]

I wanna play that boss as hell scene from Halo Legends where the whole covenant teamed up with the UNSC just to give the flood hell. That level would of been so freakin cool

[tacit charm]

eh

[terse lava]

Was just Cortana'a idea of what had happened

[steel stone]

Oh crap I just thought of that because she never knew only the Elites teamed up with Chief, I love the details

[tacit charm]

nah halo legends visuals are 100% canon i mean iso totally activated the halo arrays on a halo and totally not on the ark

[steel stone]

I would like to see that other reality just so I can hear Sacred Icon 2 being used in a Halo game.

[loud kestrel]

u didnt

[tacit charm]

ikr

[steel stone]

My apologies there I got mixed up a bit.

[loud kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-gif-9547787

best

[steel stone]

I hope we get a other reality that took place in Halo Legends, that scene with them all teaming up on fighting the flood, cant think of a better climax to a Campaign. That better be a thing for Halo 8 or 9 whatever

[loud kestrel]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

no more realities in halo lmao

its already confusing let alone with a universe as complex as in halo

its gonna be like marvel... and thats them explaining ONE universe

[steel stone]

If I had to be honest I would not mind, if 343 says its possible then thats really that. If it is done then do it like how I mentioned, would be hype.

[tacit charm]

i mean

[loud kestrel]

but it wouldnt happen since, well a good portion of the multiverse would already have died by the flood

let alone getting the technology to go between the multiverse

[tacit charm]

they kinda messed up the world building of halo and made the forerunners dumb to the point where you question wtf were they smoking

[loud kestrel]

ITS SATURDAY

good morning/night

[steel stone]

Its night for me.

[loud kestrel]

just hit 12

01

[loud kestrel]

why do u say that?

[steel stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUsSoJbgYnQ

What you said fits this perfectly

[tacit charm]

forerunner having the ability to travel to other universes yet choosing to stay in one tiny asf galaxy

[steel stone]

This reality is dark as hell

[loud kestrel]

basically what if.... zombies

terrifying how they got the avengers abilities even afterwards

and how tf did iron man get infected through his armor anyways?

[terse lava]

If there other full blown universes in the haloverse, they'd have long ago being eaten by the flood

[tacit charm]

plot

[loud kestrel]

like he can take a tanks bullet but not a zombie?

[gilded mason]

In the comic, he got infected through the eye hole

[tacit charm]

maybe

[loud kestrel]

u saw him get hit and live in iron man 1, and that was his less powerful armor

[steel stone]

Imagine in Halo Infinite you walk into some light and its all Halo 3 again but its that dark reality and soon as you die you end up back in the regular Halo Infinite campaign again.

That would blow everyones mind

[tacit charm]

ill do you better

he got hit by a chunk of a planet

[loud kestrel]

probably, i bet in 1 of the timelines the flood wouldve reached some forerunner tech at one point or another where they would end up going to another universe and killing that one that is unsuspecting, but i guess in those ones that dont have flood yet, they still have precursors which would have the potential to save everything and not be killed off by the forerunners

[terse lava]

@steel stone what?

[loud kestrel]

thats the thing about multiverses, anything and everything will happen, its just the question of will the good outnumber the bad or the other way around

[tacit charm]

odd that the gravemind states ending galaxies was the be all end all for the flood

[steel stone]

Nothings just an idea

[terse lava]

@loud kestrel the main problem is it opens too many can of worms. Heck, may as well claim the precursors are actually the Covenant from another reality who went in the Journey

[loud kestrel]

lmao

[tacit charm]

funnily enough i had the same thought for the tv show

[steel stone]

As cool as the Forerunners are I just think they are just boring now, feels like we know already everything about them. Feels like the mystery is gone

[loud kestrel]

like where the precursors became the covenant? or the covenant became the precursors, or both?

[tacit charm]

yes

[loud kestrel]

and thats what multiplayer is for

once you've exhausted all hope of the campaigns, multiplayer remains for your pleasure

[terse lava]

Find it funny we know more about the Forerunners than we do the Covenant

[tacit charm]

ikr

[loud kestrel]

i guess so

they could exploit that

[tacit charm]

gross

[steel stone]

I dont really get that since I play Campaigns almost all the time, Reach and 4 being most enjoyable for me

[tacit charm]

play customs then

[loud kestrel]

reach is my all time favorite

and yes customs are great too

a lot of customs on reach and 3

[tacit charm]

whoever controls the sabre, controls the universe

[loud kestrel]

although its too bad they took out spartan ops from 4

[loud kestrel]

pulls out a rocket launcher

[steel stone]

I think Halo 4 customs would of topped Reach's but 343 made too many basic dumb mistakes

[loud kestrel]

chuckles

[tacit charm]

[loud kestrel]

blows up the sabre

[steel stone]

Infected Spartans in Halo 4 cannot use weapons, no words can be said

[tacit charm]

seriously though that bootleg f22 is op asf

[loud kestrel]

sabres too fast in such a small map, be doing crazy amounts of turns that u wont be doing much shooting

and if u miss u gotta take another 5-10 seconds to turn around and realign

maybe longer

[tacit charm]

honestly never had a problem with piloting the sabre in a small map

just get good at piloting

[loud kestrel]

issue is, u hit it into anything, it explodes, tiny map, not a good view to shoot people on the ground, plenty of cover for them, and maybe a rocket launcher... easy win for them

[tacit charm]

also the guns on your sabre can basically shred falcons and banshees in one shot and given you have shields you can also just ram into anything bar the map itself or another sabre/seraph

[steel stone]

They added those insanely over the top Vehicles but still didnt bother adding the Pelican to Reach, they need a real map for the Sabre and Sereith.

I am very grateful we finally have this but add the right maps for them

[loud kestrel]

they do lmao

but they got forge world and even thats not big enough

[steel stone]

Yep they sure added the Pelican and Dropships

[loud kestrel]

they should just bring back the map from the campaign in space

and add forge to it

no floating objects

[tacit charm]

ye... not sure if you played customs cause the only thing that can stop a sabre besides another sabre is a gauss cannon

[loud kestrel]

just still ones that u build in space

[steel stone]

A bigger kick in the balls is we can fly the Pelican in Halo 4s forge, a forge that is 80% killed off

[loud kestrel]

99%

i never touched h4 forge once

strictly reach and 5, sometimes 3

[steel stone]

As mad as I sound I find it just too funny at the lack of direction XD

Have you been in a lobby that is full of Sabres?

[loud kestrel]

oh ya lmao i remember i actually played a little bit of h4 with my friends, i was working on attempting to build something but they were flying around with sabres friendly firing me, so i pulled out this MASSIVE green screen and put it in their path so they'd blow up

[steel stone]

That sounds awesome

[loud kestrel]

biggest object i could find

like u know the big platform in halo 5's forge? it was about as big as that

[steel stone]

Screen screens were big that game if I remember correctly

[loud kestrel]

and since i could even rotate it

i rotated it at high speeds

making like this really indestructible point lmao

[steel stone]

Saving grace of Halo 4 is you can use the Broadsword on Forge Island and that is what is NEEDED for Halo Reach

[loud kestrel]

yup

anyways, im gonna get off discord now

[steel stone]

It was a cool discussion see you soon.

[eternal temple]

lel

[proper crow]

how does the energy sword not cut the wrists of its users
is it ever mentioned to do that?

[unique rune]

Covenant plasma is unexplained space magic that you shouldn’t put too much thought into

[steel stone]

I still wondering how the hell Elites in Halo 4 and 5 see anything when their eyes in their mouth. Their eyes are so close to their mouth Im shocked they didnt stab their eyes with their teeth.

[jovial spear]

Has UNSC tried to recolonise Reach after the Covenant fell?

And who’s skull are we fighting over in oddball?

[carmine sleet]

There are some on Reach trying to clean the planet of the glass and make it habitable again, though progress is slow

[carmine sleet]

Not really a detail that's important, it's just a skull

[jovial spear]

Thank you for answering my questions.

[signal sundial]

What’s the current status of the Flood

[glacial oracle]

At the moment all Flood instances are contained. The only quarantined zone of unkept flood is High Charity on the ARK.

[signal sundial]

Ah alright, thanks for the explanation

Cuz damn, I’m itching for some Endless Flood forms

[jovial spear]

I would like to see that

[glacial oracle]

Well if Flood was to spring into action installation 07 is arguably the best place for it to happen.

[signal sundial]

True

The Flood containment units might’ve been damaged from all the Banished interference

[glacial oracle]

Tbh they could probably pull any reason they want and no one within the halo fanbase would say anything since we all want them to appear anyway

[jovial spear]

Yeah

I wonder why there is no infection mode on infinite (maybe lore or maybe another reason).

[glacial oracle]

They intend to add that later

frmo my knowledge

[jovial spear]

Ok

[unique rune]

we all want them to appear anyway
good lord no

[signal sundial]

L

[glacial oracle]

Correction: Majority of the fanbase wants them to appear

[signal sundial]

💀

[unique rune]

The Flood aren’t even a particularly engaging enemy from a gameplay standpoint and it’d honestly be the nail in the coffin for any hope I still have for 343 in terms of doing anything interesting story-wise

[glacial oracle]

Sorry but I disagree 110%. From a gameplay perspective the Flood aren't a issue at all and I cant see your reasoning behind that. The flood have not to pull a joke here but near infinite story potential when it comes to Installation 07 in which the Flood have a deep history with that connects back to the Forerunner-flood war.

[unique rune]

Infinite already devotes so much to trying to reset to the status quo of “humanity under threat of extinction” that I’m already wary of the direction of the Halo universe going forward

[signal sundial]

How aren’t they engaging

The fact that they can assume practically infinite (No pun intended) forms of combat (Pure forms, standard combat forms, infection forms, etc), and also the fact that they’re so threatening that even a Tier-1 extraterrestrial civilisation was utterly dominated by them

[unique rune]

Pure forms were tedious bullet sponges and combat forms were generally just horrendously dull

[signal sundial]

The ones that shot spikes and the skinny ones were easy to kill

In my experience, at least

The tank form is really the only tanky one, as was intended of it

[glacial oracle]

The status quo you mentioned has already been placed into stone. While I understand your perspective of Halo infinite attempting to pull us back into the beginning of the covenant war with Humanity on the backfoot I simply can't agree with your reasoning on this standpoint.

[unique rune]

The only game where the Flood were actually fun to play against was CE and like half of that is because of the way 343 Guilty Spark and The Library set a particular mood surrounding that

And it’s helped by the fact that CE’s shotgun is a nightmarish monster in its own right

The status quo you mentioned has already been placed into stone.
And I kinda hate it.

[signal sundial]

The shotgun is the only reason humanity isn’t extinct yet 💀

[unique rune]

I do not like this reset and think it’s an obnoxiously spineless move on 343’s end.

[glacial oracle]

And thats fair. I actually agree with you with the method that Infinity was brought down considering how far 'advanced' it was. Regardless of how you like the current story the Flood only serves to enhance it and not downgrade it further.

[signal sundial]

Can you blame them, they wanna cater to both new and old fans of the series

Imho, this was the perfect way to do that

[glacial oracle]

Yeah tbh cant agree with that completely

[unique rune]

As a newer fan of the series, I think it was a terrible decision.

[signal sundial]

After the relative disaster that was Halo 5, they needed some way to boost income

[unique rune]

Halo isn’t going to go anywhere interesting by going in circles trying to tell the same “humanity underdogs fight for survival” story over and over.

[signal sundial]

Yea ofc, I can see why, but I personally don’t mind much

[signal sundial]

Fair point

[unique rune]

I know why they did it, I just think it was an incredibly lazy and uninteresting overcorrection

[signal sundial]

It was definitely an overcorrection, but the amount of honest work they put in the overall package wins me over

[unique rune]

As much as I didn’t like 5’s campaign, the whole direction for the Created could’ve led to some interesting storytelling. And now it’s all been abandoned in favor of “Covenant (but red) threatens humanity with extinction”.

343’s inability to commit to a storyline is very disheartening and frustrating because 4 and 5 each left plenty of potential to explore the universe and its characters in new ways

But now we’re back to square one with the universe side of things.

[signal sundial]

You’re right about that one

[unique rune]

Infinite does alright with most of its characters, which is the major saving grace of its campaign for me.

[signal sundial]

The Banished structure is somewhat poor, and I think they made the faction only for the sake of the classic Elites and Brutes

[unique rune]

But it still bites a little because a lot of the Banished side just gets killed off. Like I would’ve loved to get more Jega content going forward, but now he’s dead and the best we’ll ever get for him is prequel material

[jovial spear]

MIA* we don’t see his dead body

[unique rune]

I don’t think prequel media is inherently bad, but I do think it suffers from the payoff being “lmao none of this matters because you already know you kill him later on”

[signal sundial]

Definitely

[tacit charm]

if 343 wants to make the flood stupid they're more or less contained in the milky way(ish) galaxy. if 343 wants to make the flood an intimidating, unstoppable force of nature idk they're somewhere out there

[signal sundial]

It’s basically confirmed by this point that the Flood are extragalactic

Cough Path Kethona cough

[tacit charm]

pretty sure path corona got nuked by a halo

btw dont at me and say that's not how a halo works it's a jk

but there is that "oh we ended galaxies line" from the gravemind and the 10,000ish years of flood left unaccounted for

[signal sundial]

Lmfao

343 Industries might tackle the more eldritch aspect of the Flood as the franchise continues, but rn, they’re defo not even gonna touch the subject

Primordium and Silentium did plenty to accentuate their power anyway

[unique rune]

The more I think about the more bringing back the Flood feels like it’d just be a storytelling crutch

Like, sure, there’s some history with Installation 07 that they could scrape into, but I don’t feel like I’d trust anyone enough to make it more than just another “here’s the thing from [older game] that you like, is the campaign good yet?”

[jovial spear]

Could (if not would) their be humans who have joined the banished or are the banished not accepting humans.

[tacit charm]

i mean there was a few humans in the banished during divine winds

rip a krapton of them

[signal sundial]

343 might revolutionise things again a bit after Infinite

They’re playing it safe rn for obvious reasons

[unique rune]

I sure wouldn’t expect it

After Infinite got so much praise in the vein of “it’s like the old ones so it’s automatically better than stinky bad 4 and 5” I really don’t have much faith that they’ll try to do anything new or revolutionary

[tacit charm]

honestly 343 might double down on how deadly the flood were and then proceed to say the endless are actually time lords from Dr Who

[signal sundial]

The worst part is, you’re not being farfetched here

[jovial spear]

I hate that it’s even a possibility

[signal sundial]

[jovial spear]

I hope Halo doesn’t induced a multiverse

[signal sundial]

God no

The current universe is complex enough

[jovial spear]

Yeah

[shut steppe]

Another excuse to bring Cortana back for 2 more games

[signal sundial]

[jovial spear]

[tacit charm]

buddy old pal

scroll up

[granite violet]

The TV show might make that a thing

Idk

[shut steppe]

Wait forreal? Not alternate universes, but a multiverse?

[tacit charm]

a multiverse of some kind

very little info

[gilded mason]

Not exactly a mulitverse that people usually expect, to clarify

Things like this: https://www.halopedia.org/The_Glow

[terse lava]

Other realities does not equal a multiverse

[gilded mason]

^

[tacit charm]

what about multiversal residue

that aint the thing im usually referring to

also in the same multiversal residue page it interestingly enough still uses 'realities' interchangeably with 'universes'

[terse lava]

There could easily be plenty of different realities that would be the cause of that multiversal residue. Doesn't mean they are full blown universes with sapient life or mirror verses

[tacit charm]

hence why i said of some kind

[terse lava]

Than that answers your question.

[gilded mason]

I just wanted to make sure they didn't get the wrong idea from "multiverse"

[terse lava]

Well typically people think multiverse as alternative versions of themselves. Marvel, DC, etc

[shut steppe]

What would another universe look like

[terse lava]

Thats not something halo needs

[shut steppe]

Just like photons floating around with different physics

[terse lava]

That is literally one, yes

Nothing but photons

[tacit charm]

"Precursor transit, shedding **multiverse **residues at a rate
that makes them temporarily vulnerable to the Falchion’s immediate response.
The presence of Forerunner forces within this region is apparently a surprise.
So begins the clench. While the re-emerging enemy forces are most vulnerable, still surrounded by a haze of alternate realities" would be odd and a wee bit confusing using 'realities' to reference other dimensions instead of universes considering you just mentioned a multiverse

[terse lava]

sigh the point is Dregg that it's not multiversal in the way people typically think of the statement.

[tacit charm]

i never said it was like marvel and dc multiverse i just said there was a multiverse

[gilded mason]

We know, we're just saying most other people would immediately think that, so we wanted to clarify it, for their sake

[terse lava]

And that we are in agreement, I am only clarifying its not the style people typically think of

[shut steppe]

If there is a measurable alternate universe then the door is open for a “conventional multiverse” but god that is something that this franchise does not need right now

[shut steppe]

Do they do anything with the photon universe, like draw energy from it, or is it just mentioned in passing

[terse lava]

The ur Didact does use it to study pathways if i recall while traveling in cryptum

[tacit charm]

it was mentioned once by iso and i think mentioned at another time by ur

[gilded mason]

@shut steppe

[terse lava]

Still odd only that one was given a tiny bit of expansion, while the rest are just words to sound fancy

[shut steppe]

I saw that idk what it means to analyze space around a planet

[tacit charm]

still find it hilarious the forerunners only contemplated tilting the galaxy

[red flare]

Explain

[slim thorn]

I could wonder if Roland operate UNSC Infinity all by himself

[main rivet]

Probably? In terms of running ship's functions, sure. I imagine there's a lot of keeping the ship going stuff that can't be automated or isn't automated though, so it'd essentially be a stopgap.

Also even if Roland remained loyal, you'd have to think the UNSC would be more interested in walling off AI from ship's functions post-Created.

[slim thorn]

Well, he should be suppose to be inside UNSC Infinity when the Banished attack

[ebon coyote]

and if we consider Spartan Ops

Roland can fly the infinitry without human aid

but yeah i also wonder what happend to the infinity after she was abandoned

if the banished have her we NEED to take her back

and if she has crashed, we need to salvage her...finish construction on the Eternity and take the fight to the banished

[loud kestrel]

whos roland

[thin yew]

The assigned AI for the Infinity.

[ebon coyote]

https://www.halopedia.org/Roland

[terse lava]

@red flare Halo: Cryptum says that the Forerunners could contemplate tilting a galaxy's axis, that's about it

[real arch]

Can Chevy Tahoe beat a grunt?

[loud kestrel]

yes

[tepid folio]

How did the elite betrayal happen in halo? Was it like order 66 and all brutes suddenly started attacking elites at the same time

[gilded mason]

Kinda, yeah. Though the ones at Earth kicked things off a little earlier.

[tepid folio]

So elites had no idea that it was coming?

Also why did it happen earlier on earth?

[gilded mason]

Correct, though one prophet was warning his Elite companions that Truth was acting extremely suspicious.

[tepid folio]

Ah. A prophet that isn’t a monster. Interesting. I like that

[gilded mason]

Because that was where the Ark portal was, and Truth didn't want Elites sullying it up, I'd wager

The book Broken Circle goes into it a bit

[tepid folio]

I’ll search it up and look into it. Thank you

[ashen pecan]

Good question of the random is the vulture space Worthy / be able to go through hyperspace I know not the fish name but I forgot the name of it

[tacit charm]

the forerunners sucked. what else do you want me to tell you

[signal sundial]

Spitting fax tho

Don’t ask how they managed to massacre most of the Precursors in the Milky Way

[ebon pike]

hello Spartans, whats happening in this thread

[gilded mason]

What's a spartan

[tacit charm]

cause the precursors let them or they also sucked as

[tacit charm]

cringe

[gilded mason]

based

[tacit charm]

[ebon pike]

maybe there were too few precursors.

[tacit charm]

kinda odd for someone like the primo to get mad that most of his race got yeeted into the beyond if there was still a sit on of precursors out there

[signal sundial]

It’d be weird that they’d then reform as the Flood to get revenge on the Forerunners

Unless they like poetic justice to such a degree

[left oak]

The dust that they transformed into got corrupted

[signal sundial]

The Primordial (Who is by and large a legitimate Precursor) manipulated the Flood into massacring the Forerunners

Either it wasn’t present during the Forerunner-Precursor war or it had a rapid change of heart for some reason

[left oak]

Ok

[signal sundial]

Precursors laggin’

[tacit charm]

hence the other option of they sucked as

[signal sundial]

💀

[tacit charm]

considering many precursors have their own thoughts and motives it seems some if not most of them did indeed just suck as

[delicate cedar]

how do the spartans pee

[jovial spear]

From what I know Spartans don’t go to the toilet as their waste is recycled back into food water.

By their suits.

[delicate cedar]

wow thats gross but also cool

[jovial spear]

It explains how Master Chief was able to survive in space for so long in Halo Infinite.

[glacial oracle]

Its a shame literally nothing is mentioned besides from Echo-216 mentioning his suit having some kind of survival mode. I would assume the suit somehow had a internal cryo stasis but even that is hard to believe.

[glacial oracle]

I sense a tag

[jovial spear]

Somethings happening I can type my reply

[glacial oracle]

Are you getting warning messages from the bot?

[jovial spear]

Nope

[glacial oracle]

Strange. I can only imagine the bot deleting it if it contains something against the guidelines

But other than that no clue.

[jovial spear]

Yes it is a shame we don’t have any other mention in the games of this survival mode Echo-216 brings up, but we do have some mentions of it from the books and how it works. This what I have been told so this might not be true.

Yes

Finally

[glacial oracle]

If there was any mention of it within books I haven't heard of it. The best i think the suit could pull off is placing Chief into a coma while keeping him alive through the use of recycling but I dont think it could stretch it out for 6 months.

[jovial spear]

Perhaps it’s because Master Chief wasn’t moving through out those 6 months and his organs don’t have to much because of the lack of gravity in space so that probably means that though out those 6 months he was use very little energy so his body doesn’t need to eat as much. I am mostly likely wrong.

[glacial oracle]

Has to be another reason. 6 months is simply to long no matter how you slice it in my opinion but i dont think its a subject 343 is going to dive into

[jovial spear]

Yeah I agree with that.

It makes sense

But it is still fun to speculate

I would like to see 343 add a UNSC version of the banished

[thin yew]

What would that even be, though?

We already have the Innies.

[loud fjord]

Maybe lost colonies that sat out the war or something?

[untold wasp]

so the insurrectionists?

kind of

[tepid folio]

I realized. Halo takes place in the far future. They’ve colonized planets far from earth. But we never hear about mars. What happened to mars?

[unique rune]

It was terraformed and colonized pretty early in the Halo universe

[left oak]

It may be colonized

It seems around 2080!

[unique rune]

The ODSTs and Misriah Armory both have major facilites located on the planet.

[signal sundial]

It’s the primary shipyard for UNSC ships to be built

That’s basically it

Forerunners also call it Edom, so there’s that

[novel ridge]

Hooray for mars

[signal sundial]

🎉

[sinful valve]

halo universe is very optimistic about the near future, not so much about 500 years in the future though

[tepid folio]

I love Edom!!!!!!

[tepid folio]

Imagine not having a new message for an hour

Dead chat

[jovial spear]

Yes if the insurrectionists had an army of Spartans

[eternal wolf]

Have the people in Halo achieved time travel?

[gilded mason]

They are able to time travel at a rate of 1 second per second.

[obsidian thistle]

In a traditional forward and back way. No

In a weird one places time is slower in a "bubble" than outside it. Yes

[terse lava]

There was that slipspace crystal incident

[obsidian thistle]

That was

1. An anomaly.
2. Time dilation where time went different for people in the anomaly range.

It wasnt timetravel

In a traditional sense

[left oak]

The endless I believe so

[gilded mason]

Most likely not

[left oak]

Idk I might be wrong

[main rivet]

There was time dilation when the Onyx shield world was out of normal space as well. But there’s no time travel as sci-fi generally treats it.

[left oak]

Yeah

There is no go back in time then back to the point where you left

[ebon coyote]

lets be honest here is back to the future an accurate depiction of time travel??

im not sure

no more than the people who say die hard isnt a christmas movie

BECAUSE IT IS!

https://tenor.com/view/easter-funny-shrek-funny-face-gif-16873758

[main rivet]

Not particularly but given no one we know has time travelled it’s mostly about consistency in the universe rather than what’s “real” or not.

[ebon coyote]

fair enough

[main rivet]

I’m still not sure why there was the time discrepancy with First Strike though. I’m guessing it was a last minute thing where The timeline of Halo 2 shifted, and it was easier to do that to keep things fitting with the game?

The Glasslands one is easy to explain as they wanted the characters out as fast as possible.

Curious if Nylund had any outlines for where he would have taken that story.

[ebon coyote]

i would agree

only because how do you account for a C-709 longsword getting all the way back to earth??

AND in time to prevent a climactic battle that wouldve resulted in the loss of the home fleet, the orbital defense grid AND earth

also

"that don't look like any eneven elephant to me...more like 2 squid kissing"

[left oak]

Hmm

It’s possible that the forerunners were able to

But I doubt anyone would use time travel due to paradoxes

[ebon coyote]

yeah time travel creates a multiverse...because any action can have an infinite number of reactions...even inaction can have lasting percussions

[left oak]

Yes

Time travel isn’t a good idea as it could change everything

For better or worse

[loud fjord]

For better or for worse Ilovebees is still treated as canon

[eternal wolf]

my man

watch this, we can time travel, close ur eyes for a split second and open them, its called blinking apparently

[left oak]

Blinking forward in time

[eternal wolf]

sometimes we close them for 8 hours

its called sleeping

[loud fjord]

I kinda hope it's Canon that Jorge became a samurai, even if it's just conjecture from a multi-player skin.

[eternal wolf]

well...red bull gives me wings,idk about you

[gilded mason]

...Why?

[left oak]

Time travel

[loud fjord]

Why do I hope that? Cause I like Jorge

[left oak]

Jorge is pretty cool

[loud fjord]

Plus it'd be ironic if the dude with the most over the top death survived

[left oak]

Mhm

[fair hazel]

Time travel is handled differently in different fiction works

[soft pilot]

is it possible to run xemu on a weak-ass pc

[woven sand]

Wtf happened between the end of Halo 3 and the start of Halo Infinite for Brutes and Elites to just

Be chill with each other?

I'm pretty sure the last time they interacted, the Brutes were trying to commit genocide against the Elites

And I haven't played 5 yet, so if it's explained there, don't tell me

[terse lava]

The Banished broke away from the Covenant before the schism, so the two species within had no real qualms with each other. Others would later join them, seeing them as "other" compared to Thel or Jul

Atriox held no loyalty to Tartarus, or obviously any of the Hierarchs

[woven sand]

And he's dead before i even had the chance to kill him

RIP bozo

[terse lava]

Have you played infinite?

[woven sand]

I have not

So he isn't dead yet, huh?

[terse lava]

Depends, you want spoilers?

||In the post credits, its revealed he's alive, but on another section of the ring where he uses a forerunner device to unlock an area where the Endless were put away and awaken them||

[thin yew]

||To be fair, it's barely even a spoiler he's still alive, it was always highly unlikely they'd kill Atriox off so suddenly.||

[terse lava]

True, but now and again I play it safe with the newcomers

[humble summit]

How long do you think lasky was acting captain until he was made the permanent captain of the infinity

[fast falcon]

Probably like 4 years

However long between launch and Requiem

Oh I didn’t realize you said acting captain

[versed agate]

I like how the sentinels comeback in halo infinite

Even if are like grunts or elites

[foggy crag]

According to lore, Harambe is reborn with every firing of the halo ring.

[tacit charm]

jorge was cringe, man thought a slipspace bomb was the only way to yeet a cso and went through with it instead of just luring the cso to be in range of an odp with 'forerunner McGuffins'

[unique rune]

To be fair
That was Kat's idea

[tacit charm]

didnt hear any other suggestions from noble

[sullen pollen]

ok ok ok so first off i havent read the books and ive had this question for a long time regarding a famous tweet im sure you all know about, you must get asked this question alot in this chat and i know its annoying. I have taken note of these facts and still decided to ask this. does the suit really do the thing that one tweet i know you know im talking about to whoever is wearing it

its a question ive had for a long time and im sorry

[unique rune]

It does not

[tacit charm]

the forerunner McGuffin thing is kind of a stretch sure but they didnt even consider the odps

[signal sundial]

It’s not explicitly stated that it does that, but heavily implied

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/288114062355726336/937700651746603008/unstrzetkasn045frmb5.jpg

Sauce here

[gilded mason]

You do know that's not an actual book screenshot, right

[signal sundial]

Meh

Couldn’t find anything else

[gilded mason]

There is nothing else

That was a fake passage to make people think that thing was real.

[signal sundial]

;-;

They played us like a damn fiddle

[gilded mason]

us
😏

[signal sundial]

L

[unique rune]

sus

[gilded mason]

die now

[tacit charm]

the only source you should use is from halo alpha

[unique rune]

I wish

[gilded mason]

lmao

[signal sundial]

Noted

[tacit charm]

bruh

i was jk

[signal sundial]

💀

[tacit charm]

i mean you can if you want to

dont blame me if you get a krapton amount of lore wrong

[signal sundial]

Damn

[tacit charm]

although, halo alpha does have a 64 kiloton calcs for a frigate macs that pedia technically doesnt

[sullen pollen]

Got it so it was a fake tweet

Thanks dudes

[tacit charm]

i mean it does have it just no one did the calcs for it

[signal sundial]

Aight

[near tide]

Really? I swear I remember actually seeing that while reading fall of reach

[gilded mason]

Nope! It's a manufactured memory

[terse lava]

"Tartarus...the Twitter has betrayed us."

[near tide]

I blame YouTube

[terse lava]

I dont see why people would believe it anyway

[unique rune]

I don't think it's that unreasonable. If there's one thing I've learned it's that confidently saying something incorrect will still get people to believe you even if it's entirely false.

So on top of being very juvenile comedy that seems to sit well with the same crowd that thinks the best way to handle characters they don't like is to kill them off and probably won't read the source material anyway...

[terse lava]

Kinda the same crowd that doesn't actually care much for lore anyway

[unique rune]

The fake screenshot sure didn't do anything to help either.

[signal sundial]

L

[unique rune]

Gonna be honest, the faked book passage actually made me question if it was real or not the first time I saw it.

Like I was pretty confident it was fake but it’d been long enough since the last time I’d read The Fall of Reach that there was a little bit of doubt in my mind.

[fast falcon]

I actually did flip open my copy quickly after seeing that post early lol

[signal sundial]

Why’d they lie about that tho

Like legit that one specific lie

[gilded mason]

Because they felt like it

[fast falcon]

Because it’d be funny when people bought it

[gilded mason]

^

[signal sundial]

Fair

[thin yew]

No wonder MC stuck with Cortana so much, after all.

[signal sundial]

💀

[ancient wadi]

how would the mjolinir suit react if a humanoid robot wore it?

[signal sundial]

It wouldn’t react at all

[thin yew]

It'd need to be set up specifically to interact with the neural interface of the suit, for one.

[signal sundial]

The MJOLNIR armor was designed to move according to what the wearer thought about

For example, instead of actually moving your arm, all you’d need to do in order to move a finger within the MJOLNIR armor is to think about moving it

[ancient wadi]

ah ok

[thin yew]

The MJOLNIR suits are essentially second skins for the wearers. They're moved as if they're their own bodies within.

[signal sundial]

^

[ancient wadi]

ok

thanks for the info

[signal sundial]

Np

[jovial spear]

Has an AI been given a robot body?

[signal sundial]

Closest thing to that in Halo is the Warden Eternal

[jovial spear]

Can an AI take control over a spartan suit?

[ancient wadi]

hmmm

all i know they can divert power in places

[signal sundial]

Nope

They can interface with it tho

[jovial spear]

Makes sense

[signal sundial]

^

Also helping them run faster and all that jazz

[ancient wadi]

ok

[jovial spear]

Ok thank you for the information.

[signal sundial]

Np

[dreamy agate]

Does anyone find it weird in halo 3 chief stops truth from firing the ring, then fires the ring

[unique rune]

He stopped Truth from firing the entire Halo Array and prevented everything in the galaxy from dying.

[glacial oracle]

He stopped the firing of all the rings. He then proceeded to fire a incomplete ring that wouldn't do the above

[dreamy agate]

Oh, thanks

🥛 craig offers chocky milk as reward

[idle halo]

Hey can anyone answer this for me?
What exactly do the banished want in Infinte?
And why are they dead set on killing humanity exactly??

[dreamy agate]

They want to reconstruct the ring along with the harvenger to free the endless and make themselves the ruler of whatever galaxy they exist in

As well as help take revenge on the forerunners somehow

But thats more harvenger than banished

[idle halo]

Wait… what? So is this basically they want to rule the galaxy and humans won’t let that happen, and that’s their beef with us?

[glacial oracle]

Its a few things.

A. As previously mentioned, the Banish wants control of the Ring and by extension the galaxy which Humanity is currently in the way

B. Cortana blew up the Brutes homeworld and blames humanity.

C. Some lowkey beef against humanity due to the events in Halo Wars 2

[tacit charm]

monke planet go boom so monke want revenge and decide to do bigger boom

also there was an ai uprising at some point

question mark

[idle halo]

Oh my god! Finally! Finally an answer that makes sense! Thank you Spartan. You did me a solid

[acoustic aspen]

I'll call and raise you Guilty spark getting a promethean body in the novels.

[frigid oar]

Technically if the banished want to fire zeta halo they need the index and a reclaimer

[acoustic aspen]

Swiggity Swooty... The banished are coming for human booty.

[versed helm]

I guess its a good thing The Mantle stopped being a thing
https://twitter.com/BrendanLorLowry/status/1490602159234117632?t=co2AiB0aF5p6PqXZh94CQA&s=19

Like the original intentions of The Mantle was clouded and corrupted by temptation and conquest of all factions alike

Someone made a good point about sharing the Mantle too...if you think about it does feel like some sort of...Covenant

In fact its like the Forerunner saga showed thay Humanity (via ONI), the Created, the Forerunners and the Covenant are four sides of the same coin

I don't like how we simply forgot about the plot itself entirely. At some point I want to see a proper conclusion to it.

In fact think the Banished wouldn't be interested in the Mantle of Responsibility...turns out they lead by example better tham the other factions by giving those who wish to be a part of the Banished to join by choice and there are examples of that

[humble yacht]

The covenant ignored the mantle because they were only concerned with the afterlife (I.e. great journey). Holding the mantle would require them to remain in the material plane

[bronze dragon]

Damn nerd talk on deck lmao

[unique rune]

I mean I dunno what you were expecting from the channel literally with “lore” in its name

[gilded mason]

If they haven't retconned it, the Banished are one of the worst examples. Since they've done things like kidnap grunts and then abuse them and kill them, torture huragok, placed elites on suicide missions out of revenge, etc.

[untold wasp]

can't believe they put lore in #lore-and-universe

[fast falcon]

Damn writers ruining my game about shootin aliens with words and the like

[versed helm]

That is true, but I can't help but think about the Silent Shadow and Castor willing to let humans join the Banished. Credit where credit is due, I guess.

[left oak]

Truth was firing to wipe out all life chief fired the halo to kill the flood

[terse lava]

The new one was too far out of the galaxy to affect the others and restart the array as a whole. That's why chief could activate it with no problems, where Truth had attempted to activate the halo array in the galaxy

[hoary pilot]

is red vs blue cannon in Halo?

[valid hemlock]

No

[gilded mason]

No.

[valid hemlock]

There's easter eggs about it in the games, but nothing more

[hoary pilot]

Then I guess cortana is the only illegal AI in halo

I wish red vs blue was cannon

[unique rune]

Making RvB canon to Halo would be a disservice to both series.

[versed helm]

do you guys think Jorge listened to youngboy

[hoary pilot]

Why

[unique rune]

I mean, neither has anything to gain from it and they'd just be constraining each other because of the differences in their respective universes.

[hoary pilot]

Plus it means there would be a chance of of master chief meeting the reds and blues and if that's so it'll be awesome.

[gilded mason]

🤨

[obsidian thistle]

Its impossible to make both work

I tried for fun

[terse lava]

@obsidian thistle which was the worst part trying to meld? The AI ability stuff? The Sangheili and weird aliens? That the UNSC would entrust any form of military hardware to the Red or Blue team?

[valid hemlock]

The real name of the warthog, obv

[hoary pilot]

How ?

[hoary pilot]

Do you mean puma.

[valid hemlock]

Nah, the chupacabra mate

[obsidian thistle]

The biggest issue is the timeline just doesnt meld together at all

Technology also doesnt meld

Maps are totally different in RvB than they are to Halo Canon

Concepts arnt the same

The Energy Sword isnt a key

And countless other stuff

At most. Characters "like" the reds and blues exist. If you count a easter egg on Crows Nest as "quazi-canon". But they are marines

And not the same Reds and Blues

[hoary pilot]

I don't see a problem with 2 storyline Together.

[unique rune]

They canonically conflict in a lot of major points and are pretty much entirely incompatible unless you want to ignore major chunks of both.

[gusty star]

Are you kidding

[hoary pilot]

What

[hoary pilot]

It makes perfect sense to me.

[gusty star]

They’re different timelines

Different events occur

And most importantly

Different genres

Halo is not primarily a comedy

[terse lava]

Besides what CIA mentioned, there are multiple other issues, such as the Sangheili "aliens"

[loud kestrel]

i finished infinites campaign and now im really confused lmao

[terse lava]

Its simply a funny fan made series

[loud kestrel]

SPOILER (infinites campaign)
||so u know how at the end it shows atriox alive again and chief being forwarded 3 days? how the hell does that work???? like wtf time travel, as if halos universe wasnt already complex, now it opens a thousand more doors||

[gilded mason]

It's basically just the slow teleport from Half-life 2.

[terse lava]

Yeah

[loud kestrel]

dont know half life 2

never heard of it

[gilded mason]

I can't tell if you're yanking my chain or not

[loud kestrel]

not

[gilded mason]

Basically, something goes wrong with the teleport machine as Gordon and Alyx escape a deadly situation, and instead of it being instant, it basically takes a very long time to actually get them where they're going, so while it was instant for them, a week had passed.

[terse lava]

@gilded mason was that in half life 1 or 2?

[grave pollen]

Are the books good? I’ve ordered Fall of Reach. Never really looked into Halo beyond the games 🙂

[terse lava]

The books are quite excellent, and do well building up the universe of halo. Ultimately comes down to personal preference though with some books

[gilded mason]

2, while escaping Nova Prospekt

[terse lava]

Ah ok

[grave pollen]

Can’t wait

[terse lava]

Would recommend release order to read them as well

That way you get to experience the reason chief and co are at halo in CE, how they returned, then later the intern of what happens elsewhere during halo 2, and further the very reasoning for the war itself

[grave pollen]

Thanks 🙏

[terse lava]

Welcome, also recommend the Forerunner trilogy, which covers the events of the Forerunner-Flood war, and Broken Circle, a story focused on the first years of the Covenant's 3400 existence, and also during the schism

[loud kestrel]

half life 2 sounds a lot like hello neighbor

[terse lava]

Not at all

[gilded mason]

Guy who has only seen The Boss Baby, watching his second movie: Getting a lot of 'Boss Baby' vibes from this...

[robust magnet]

if you read some of the books that entail forerunner facilities, it isn't a new concept.

[ebon coyote]

while landing on top of chak loks tower...is that a downed guardian in the background??

cuz it looked like one i just didnt know if it actually was

[terse lava]

It is

[odd lichen]

Hi

[ebon coyote]

who killed it??

also

HI SUPER

👋

[odd lichen]

Hey!

I’m new to this server, but not new to halo!

[ebon coyote]

nice to meet you new to this server but not new to halo

[odd lichen]

Lol

[ebon coyote]

...ill show myself out

bloody H

also i may have had to much sugar

[odd lichen]

…..

Okay

[ebon coyote]

before you ask NO im not a squeaker...i am a [redacted] year old man child!

[odd lichen]

K

[loud kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-outta-here-out-of-here-im-out-gif-4552576

[ebon coyote]

LOVE me some spongebob

but the real question are you old enough to remember THIS??

https://tenor.com/view/rocketpower-reggie-otto-twister-sam-gif-14229057

[terse lava]

That was always an odd show

Never liked it much

[ebon coyote]

i mean i enjoyed it lol

[terse lava]

Does amusingly make me wonder though what the Covenant has for recreational sports

[loud kestrel]

i have no idea what that is lmao but it looks a little like rugrats if they were grown up

[ebon coyote]

plot twist: rocket power was actually rugrats all growed up

[terse lava]

@loud kestrel was a cartoon series late 90s/early 2000s

Focused on skateboard type scene stuff

[ebon coyote]

yeah skateboarding and surfing was the theme of rocket power

[dim solar]

when does the Halo: Bloodline comic take place?

[sturdy monolith]

I need help settling a debate with my friends. Since elites have no visible genitalia, how do they reproduce?

[wheat mortar]

Please ban him

He's trolling

[sturdy monolith]

???

That's one of my friends, dont listen to him

[dim solar]

the man is asking a question

are there woman elites?

[sturdy monolith]

YEs

[dim solar]

o

hmm

yeah i have no idea

[unique rune]

Female Sangheili exist

[dim solar]

really makes you

[near tide]

Their armor hides it

[dim solar]

that would make sense

[unique rune]

Sangheili have cloacas similar to Earth reptiles for reproductive purposes

[near tide]

Female wires are mostly in books

[dim solar]

also why do the priests have testicles on their chin?

[near tide]

One makes a cameo in halo 5 as a voice line

[sturdy monolith]

is there a source somewhere for this specifically? We're looking for an original source for the info

[unique rune]

If I had to guess it'd either be from Halo 3's Bestiarum or Waypoint's old Universe pages.
But I would have to check what Halopedia cites.

Or it might just be an assumption people have made over the years because I'm not seeing anything on Halopedia.

Hrm.

[dim solar]

wait before we delve deeper into the mystery of elite reproduction, when does Halo: Bloodline take place

[sturdy monolith]

I found where halopedia states it but original source is a missing page from waypoint

shame

ITs as close as we are gonna get

[unique rune]

That sounds like it was from Waypoint's Universe pages before the overhaul, which I believe Halopedia does have thorough archives of.

[dim solar]

when is the fall of reach?

[terse lava]

August 30th 2552

[valid hemlock]

530 years to go, we can do it

[dim solar]

I meant like in terms of the games, like before combat evolved or during reach

[valid hemlock]

Both

[terse lava]

It happens before Combat Evolved takes place

[valid hemlock]

Yeah, the combat was avoided by slipspace of the pillar of autumn

[terse lava]

Just a typo

Met to say evolved

[valid hemlock]

I know, just making a little joke about it

[terse lava]

I know

[last anchor]

Aw did I miss the commentary about Sangheili reproductive habits? Darn.

[ebon coyote]

okay so the Sangheili are a very honorable and noble race...does the same apply to procreational habits???

like oh madam tis a lovely day to [redacted] wouldnt you say??

[ripe cedar]

Does master chief have a little straw to drink from in the helmet

Please DM me. I need an expert answer on this.

[honest trout]

Yes It is mentioned in halo: oblivion he is thirsty so he drinks some water from a straw

[proper crow]

are war games simulations strictly a combat exercise or are there spartans in-lore that view it as a recreational activity

i remember reading somewhere that games of breakout from halo 5 are broadcast across Infinity kind of like a sport

[tough snow]

I cant believe I just wrote an 700 word essay of the Arbiter's story while playing warthog run in the background just for a english project

[silver saddle]

MC opens a small hole in the top of his helmet to drink, his favourite drink is beer evolved

[versed helm]

did any post covernant factions join the unsc

[frigid oar]

Swords of sanghilios is the only one we know of to be friendly with humanity

[velvet rose]

i mean,how else would there be more sangheili

[languid bough]

what?

[acoustic aspen]

I said it wouldn't let me

[tepid sinew]

I'm late but they serve both functions

Action and entertainment for the crew and combat training for spartans at the same time

[languid bough]

i said it whole and it got deleted and i was confused

tbh the mods must be insane and malding to have banned the harmless deez joke

[gaunt flame]

guys what is that green planet on the halo infinite loading screens

[terse pecan]

It's Zeta Halo

[vernal notch]

Lmao is there such thing as fantasy griffball

If the sims can also be entertainment, does that mean there's sport seasons or whatever

[pulsar elm]

What happened before reach?

[tacit charm]

the big bang

the precursors travelling to other galaxies

the precursors get 360 no scope by the forerunners

the precursors become coke/flood/stasis/unalive

the forerunners fight super space monke after super space monke for some peculiar totally not drugging their dogs with random space coke and causing a flood outbreak to spread throughout their empire reason start to invade forerunner territory

the forerunners get boned in the but by super space coke precursor/flood and chose to seppuku the galaxy

the super space monke who are now just monkes after losing to the forerunners are realive along with lizards, raptors, crabs, flies, monkes etc

the race whose heads looks like a male end has a surprise visit from top 10 anime betrayal character forerunner ai which would later result in the formation of the cov when some male end headed dude yeeted off their home planet

the monkes have some wars, revolutions, technological advancement etc here and there and at some point those monkes got off their rock and bought their conflicts to space

[pulsar elm]

🤭

[tacit charm]

the monkes who we now shall dub as humans as to avoid any confusion have a big big civil war after a big big peace time

the humans (the ones that matter anyways) meet space raptor, decide to have talks and it all goes down the drain from there

[pulsar elm]

🤭🤭🤭

[tacit charm]

the human's military big boi military planet known as Reach gets found or something

[tacit charm]

there's your answer

[pulsar elm]

🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭

[tacit charm]

you werent specific so i decided to give you a summed up history of halo just to be sure

[ripe cedar]

Hey thank you for answering my straw question. Do you think it was a straight or a curly straw though.

[tacit charm]

the forerunners also found a random race that can survive their engagement rings yet cant survive bullets which is kinda funny since precursors tech like star roads can survive practically anything except the seppuku arrays get locked up by the forerunners and then forerunners bail from the galaxy

[valid hemlock]

Top 10 anime betrayals again??!!! (nOT clickBaIt) 😱 😱

[loud kestrel]

thats sounds like the most amazing thing, show off some halo love man!

[loud kestrel]

reproducing asexually? (at least i think thats the term?)

[velvet rose]

if they could just clone themselves then why do they have different voices and such

[loud kestrel]

i never said clone lmao

[velvet rose]

but that's how it works

if an organism reproduces by itself with no involvement of a female/male organism,it will be a 100% clone of the parent

have you slept on your biology classes ?

[loud kestrel]

no lmao, if it worked that way they wouldnt have their own personalities

they wouldnt be their own person

use some logic man, cloning is just 100% unlikely for the entire populations

[velvet rose]

that's why i'm saying that they do not "clone" themselves like that

you need a male sangheili and a female ssangheili to have a new one

[velvet rose]

try explaining this to star wars clones

[unique rune]

Except... they would?

Cloning just results in identical genetics, it doesn't necessarily determine every aspect of an individual.

Identical twins aren't the same person, even if they're genetically the same.

[loud kestrel]

u can have 2 white parents and turn out with dark skin or the other way around, it doesnt 100% base from the genetics

i dont know how it works but these things happen

[unique rune]

...Stuff like that happens because of genetics.

[gilded mason]

That is still genetics

[unique rune]

Did you sleep through the parts of biology that went over dominant and recessive alleles?

[loud kestrel]

well wtf then, so elites reproducing asexually, they do not clone themselves

[loud kestrel]

i didnt do biology

[gilded mason]

so elites reproducing asexually, they do not clone themselves
That is the same thing, basically

As said

[humble yacht]

looks in channel

gets sad and creeped out all at the same time

[near tide]

Identical twins have different personalities

[fallow fulcrum]

What am I reading.

[supple goblet]

Chimera did not lie, Sangheili reproduction techniques is way better than "Destiny bad"

[slate sand]

What? There are female Sangheili, but they reproduce asexually? Confusion.

[versed helm]

What the heck is this chat. Thanks Chimera…

[untold wasp]

i thought they had eggs

[grave pollen]

Sangheili have no external reproductive organs. Female Sangheili are oviparous meaning they do not give live birth.

So 🥚

🙂

[valid hemlock]

think of it as how chicken have babies

[loud kestrel]

yes guys its all chimeras fault he did everything bad that has ever happened to this channel

[terse lava]

....what the heck? Sangheili reproduce via eggs, like a reptile in real life.

[short plank]

What are the giant blue lights on the outside of Halo rings? Are those part of the defense systems it has?

[terse lava]

I believe they were revealed as that, yes

[deep sage]

How do they reproduce without sausages?

[deft coral]

I’m surprised theres music and sound effects in The Cole Protocol audiobook

[shut steppe]

Can I have a baby elite if I was master chief?

“Researching” for my upcoming fanfic

[shut steppe]

What do you mean by sausages? Like food to give them energy?

[deep sage]

Like I mean "sausages"

Male things if you will

[shut steppe]

Fingers?

[tacit charm]

they spit 🍑

[unique rune]

The same way real Earth reptiles do

[tacit charm]

🥖 by copy pasting dolly the sheep

[unique rune]

Sure

[tacit charm]

i have a feeling half the people in chat have no idea wtf dolly the sheep is

[loud kestrel]

the what now? is a male sausage some sort of limb?

[gilded mason]

I can't tell if y'all are pretending or not regarding this.

[loud kestrel]

lmao

[unique rune]

I’ve hated every single part of this overly drawn out conversation

[versed helm]

soooo

[gilded mason]

Saaaame

[versed helm]

how is chat today?

[gilded mason]

Certainly something

[versed helm]

Ah, so it's the usual

[loud kestrel]

stuff about male sausages, which i believe refers to the neck?

[tacit charm]

i got bored and someone said elites reproduce asexually

[loud kestrel]

and apparently elites reproduce by laying eggs like earth reptiles

asexually

[tacit charm]

...

[gilded mason]

Lore chat is certainly having a normal one, today

[loud kestrel]

ya lets talk more lore

[unique rune]

Certainly one way to put it

[loud kestrel]

lore chat is rich with ingredients today

so... spartans

can they still have babies?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[loud kestrel]

specifically for female ones, cause they probably have some sort of deeper wounds

[gilded mason]

...Yes

[untold wasp]

so how did this start again

[loud kestrel]

^

[gilded mason]

Which part

[loud kestrel]

up here

then scroll down to now

[untold wasp]

ah because someone asked if there was female elites

[gilded mason]

Because somebody thought, for some reason, not showing "stuff" in a game meant there was no "stuff"

[loud kestrel]

without me instigating the thing this glorious convo would never have happened lmao

[unique rune]

See now this is the reason we need a Halo dating sim title

[gilded mason]

Halo Intimate, yes

[loud kestrel]

LMAO

[valid hemlock]

Wasn't in halo 5 a female elite voice during one of the missions tho?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[unique rune]

Exactly

[gilded mason]

And there have been quite a few female Elites in the books

[terse lava]

Is this seriously still a topic?

[loud kestrel]

that could be halo wars 3

[untold wasp]

been going on all day

[valid hemlock]

It ain't happening, let it go

[tacit charm]

idk but i can say as a dude who did biology here and there it's incredibly dumb

[terse lava]

I honestly don't know how stupid people have become...

[gilded mason]

It is pretty flabbergasting, yes

[loud kestrel]

lmao

[valid hemlock]

Some people just don't have geas ok? Smh my head

[loud kestrel]

and yet all of u still sit here talking about the topic, whether its saying good or bad things about the topic ur talking about it

keeping it going

[terse lava]

Pretty sure you continued it

[loud kestrel]

yes lets continue it lmao, keep talking about it

[tacit charm]

k, speaking of irrelevant topics how powerful are the infinity's shields

[loud kestrel]

and someone finally speaks up lmao

i have no idea

[unique rune]

At least 2

[tacit charm]

;-;

[valid hemlock]

Is it really that? I thought it was some sort of gravity thing to keep the halo not drifting out of orbit

[untold wasp]

more than enough to ram a ship without any damage

[tacit charm]

ye ik

[loud kestrel]

why do they even have guns then?

they should seriously build ships just to be battering rams

with like a 100 man crew maybe

[untold wasp]

the enemy ships can just press a reverse and keep firing at the ships

[loud kestrel]

make them smaller and faster

[unique rune]

Guns are useful because they can kill things from far away. Regular ramming is just mass suicide.

[loud kestrel]

the shields will hold

and they can add flares

[tacit charm]

it's a heavier bullet

[loud kestrel]

to stop missiles

[tacit charm]

[untold wasp]

so like the hammer head corvette in star wars?

[valid hemlock]

Instead of gunowder inside you have a crew ship

[loud kestrel]

uh what?

[unique rune]

Flares only do so much against tracking weapons as you close in and they’re useless against dumbfire weapons.

[untold wasp]

also if you want it smaller and faster, the lighter the armor will be

[loud kestrel]

flares only stop the big hits

little hits dont matter

[unique rune]

Yeah, and what are they gonna do if a ship levels a glassing cannon at them?

[loud kestrel]

so ill try to expand on this idea a little more specifically give me a moment

[untold wasp]

so just drop a emp, they lose shields, then pick them off one by one

[unique rune]

Their shields are gonna go poof and the ship is going to be nothing more than a memory.

[tacit charm]

copy paste the infinity and have a 169 megatons to teraton shields that can just sit in one spot for 7 hours being glassed

[loud kestrel]

small frigate class ship, extremely heavy armor with the most powerful shielding available, the front of it would be quite point maybe a strong gun in the center to really help drive the ship through

idea: its small, fast, toughest kind of durable, can ram straight through a ship

and maybe if its possible, slipspace jump into a covenant ship

speaking of

is it possible to slipspace jump into a covenant ship?

[unique rune]

Human slipspace drives aren’t capable of the precision required for that

[loud kestrel]

im sure if they worked harder into that they could make it that way, not all the best minds of humanity are working on slipspace, halsey doesnt

[unique rune]

A Covenant or Forerunner drive could probably pull it off, but a human-made one would be incredibly inconsistent about it

[loud kestrel]

how would they be able to achieve a burst of speed

something that is possible for them

one that can nearly instantly ram the into a covenant ship in a space battle

[unique rune]

I mean, if they drop out of slipspace right by a Covenant ship they’d maintain their velocity from inside slipspace.

[loud kestrel]

so ur saying my idea of a battering ram ship is possible?

they might not have perfect precision with slipspace but it wouldnt be too hard to drop just before the ship

can somebody convey this idea to someone that builds the halo lore? however that works...

[deep sage]

I've been thinking, if snipers, shotguns, magnums, and plasma weapons are so powerful, why didn't the unsc equip marines with em en masse?

Cuz it's expensive?

[loud kestrel]

i guess they probably could

maybe the expensive thing is my best guess

modify a scorpion or something for that

but i guess thats what the hannibal scorpion does but better

[deep sage]

Fair enough

[near tide]

Shotguns have a low range and snipers are terrible in close quarters

Magnums are a gameplay thing and the unsc can’t mass-produce plasma weapons

[deep sage]

With the plasma weapons, I meant the unsc could steal them from the battlefield

Also, are brs only powerful in-game too?

[near tide]

In lore an unarmoured brute can take a sniper rifle shot to the head and be fine

[near tide]

Brs are probably still pretty good in lore

[near tide]

Don’t think they can power them

So when battery runs out

[unique rune]

Possible, sure.
Good idea, absolutely not.

[loud kestrel]

hey so with slipspace

hows that work?

is it increased speed or decreased length of the trip

@unique rune

[near tide]

Slipspace is basically another dimension

I see it as kinda like Minecraft nether

[untold wasp]

or star wars hyperspace (i think)

[near tide]

Kinda

[loud kestrel]

cause i want to know if when u go in it, u come out at a fast speed

[near tide]

But it’s slower

[near tide]

Nope

In slipspace you’re going the same speed

[untold wasp]

time is the same as well i think

[near tide]

But you’re in another dimension where it’s smaller

So a foot in slipspace is a bunch of feet in normal space

[untold wasp]

https://www.halopedia.org/Slipstream_space

[loud kestrel]

ok so scratch that idea

how else can u propel a unsc frigate faster?

[last anchor]

Physics stop most everything else

[tacit charm]

slap on better fusion engines

or slingshot off a planet and slipspace

[loud kestrel]

is that something they already have the tech for tho?

[loud kestrel]

no need for slipspace the idea is for a close range fight

but potentially maybe slingshot off a planet might work, if their close enough anyways otherwhys they can dodge it

[tacit charm]

idk apparently a destroyer can only travel 3km/s bar slingshotting

im not going to bring up the in amber clad cause reasons

[near tide]

Ramming isn’t effective for resources

[tacit charm]

not unless you have 169 megaton or teraton shields like the infinity

[loud kestrel]

ya, although the issue isnt surviving the ram, its being able to actually touch them

if their fast enough to dodge and continue firing whats the point

[tacit charm]

i mean if you can survive the ram you can basically survive most cov weaponry

assuming you're ramming with shields and not copy pasting what three destroyers did during cole's last stand

[loud kestrel]

so a planetary slingshot wont really work...

although i feel like if u could learn to manipulate gravity

that could become the new type of engine

use gravity to propel the ship

[tacit charm]

there's a reason why i didnt want to bring up in amber clad

search up fusion drives on halopedia and check the notes section

[loud kestrel]

ok?

u know i just realized the spirit of fire was built as a colony vessel

and was refitted for military purposes during the human-covenant war

[untold wasp]

on the cover of rubicon protocol, you can see horvath, stone and kovan, but the in the logs it showed that horvath never saw kovan or stone on zeta, and he was alone on the ring the whole time, looking for his team and survivors