#lore-and-universe

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agile zodiac
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Honestly

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I want an ODST DLC where we still play as Chief, but he just picks up an ODST squad he gets to lead.

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Since there aren't many Spartans on the ring left.

grave pollen
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How can the broken part of zeta halo sustain an atmosphere?

agile zodiac
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The Spine

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It's the piece of the Halo that goes through the broken part.

grave pollen
agile zodiac
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It's that formation that cuts across the open world map

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I'll show you

tribal quiver
agile zodiac
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Ehhhh

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I think it should more be like an ODST Squad, with their own leader, cooperate with Chief to complete various missions.

untold wasp
agile zodiac
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Sure, but there's other ways to do it.

untold wasp
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like actually being the odst

agile zodiac
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I personally think Infinite should do a completely different thing in terms of DLC.

untold wasp
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odst escaping the infinity

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to the ring

agile zodiac
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Na

untold wasp
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where you can witness chief getting knocked off

agile zodiac
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Infinite's whole thing was expanding the universe. "Infinite Possibilities."

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If they do an ODST DLC, it should be featuring the Story of a character that's going to show up in Chief's related campaign.

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Like what Halo 2 did with the Arbiter.

untold wasp
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tbh i still want to see a different pov to chief getting beaten by atriox

agile zodiac
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That cutscene wasn't good enough?

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Anywho

untold wasp
agile zodiac
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If I was writing a DLC for 343, I know exactly what things I would pull from in terms of the Lore.
Orion+ODST+Big Colony City+Flood

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Spicy combo that would be.

fast falcon
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Iā€™d like another ODST game but Iā€™ll admit I donā€™t think Infinite is the right place to do it

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Iā€™d just like it to recapture that dark city vibe it originally had, which a Halo ring isnā€™t a suitable environment for

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Plus Iā€™d prefer to play as a Spartan

untold wasp
agile zodiac
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Yeah, a marine POV would not have the same effect.

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Because simply, all the best soldiers are either odst or spartans

fast falcon
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Even then an ODST I donā€™t think feel sensible pulling off most of those feats

untold wasp
agile zodiac
untold wasp
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that was dare who was oni

agile zodiac
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Yeah, but ONI works almost specifically with ODST and sometimes Spartans.

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Have you watched Nightfall, about Locke?

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And either way

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Remember Dare took over Buck's mission?

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ONI utilizing ODST

night flax
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Oni works with literally anything it needs to

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It doesnt limit itself to odsts/spartans

untold wasp
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that doesn't mean all odsts are fully under oni

agile zodiac
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Sure, but it serves the purpose.

night flax
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What?

untold wasp
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that was one team out of probably hundreds

night flax
agile zodiac
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I guess you guys just don't understand.

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Oh well.

night flax
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If multiple people fail to understand what your saying, its on you lol

terse lava
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ODST are spec ops, that is typically why they would be chosen by ONI over regular soldiers. Its not that ODST always serve with ONI

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Just more likely to be chosen, but its not like ONI controls or leads the branch themselves

fast falcon
loud fjord
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worked fine in halo 3 ODST when it came to the stamina meter

fast falcon
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Nah that still bugs me looking back on it

untold wasp
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I mean they had no shields

twin gust
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Master Chief has defeated Donkey Kong by throwing his barrels at him... then Donkey Kong goes to jail to release all the prisoners... and now Master Chief has to fight off years of cartridges so it would seem. Not to mention Master Chief also becoming somewhat Christ-like at the end of Halo Infinite.

fast falcon
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Looking back on it him vanishing for three days feels so heavy handed Iā€™m actually shocked I didnā€™t notice it until now

terse lava
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Oddly never crossed my mind either

queen hatch
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Pilot must have been freaking out those 3 days

terse lava
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Guy was always freaking out

wraith geode
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So i havent read the books in awhile or really read into the lore i guess. But did Insurrectionists have to deal w the covenant alot? Or just sort of let the UNSC fight them?

gilded mason
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They had to massively deal with them as well, since a lot of Innies are based in the Outer Colonies, and that's where the Covenant hit the hardest.

wraith geode
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Did the UNSC and Innies end up having to fight together in some cases?

gilded mason
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Yup

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In one battle in particular, Blue Team joined up with an Innie cell to fight back against the Covenant. However, they eventually had to get extracted in the face of the Covenant onslaught. As they were leaving, the Innies attempted to escape with them as well, but the UNSC forced them at gunpoint to stay on the overrun world. Blue Team was pretty pissed off about that.

terse lava
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Another group managed to obtain thr blueprints of the spartans' armor, and give it to the Covenant in return for getting Biko.

wraith geode
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Damn

gusty star
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I mean thatā€™s not really UNSC and Innies working together

terse lava
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I was answering his original question

grave pollen
versed helm
# agile zodiac Yeah, a marine POV would not have the same effect.

Playing a Marine would be amazing as hell. Without the Halo 3: ODST gameplay type, cause in 3 ODST you're basically a spartan without shielding, relying on medical packs and that's it. Playing more accurately of how a marine would play, you rely on brain rather than going around like a monkey punching, shooting, jumping, grappling and throwing stuff in the middle of a battlefield.

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A different dynamic.

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In Halo a spartan takes on a big horde of enemies.

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A marine? They require to go in large groups to do so. And even then they get high casualties.

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Playing in the Ring as a Marine, a pair of weeks after the crash of the Infinity, it would be cool.

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Seeing the organization, being part of large battles against the Banished. As we've seen there's many warthogs, scorpions and some destroyed Banished vehicles all around the map, indication of armored direct conflicts from part of the UNSC.

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Just visit the Excavation Site and you'll see how it looked like a large battlefield where the UNSC attacked Banished positions with a great amount of vehicles and troops.

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UNSC after one week would surely have gotten in hands a big amount of UNSC remnant groups and have some good organization.

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Which eventually fell into Banished hands.

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It would be more interesting to be acting as a marine with a great amount of experience, let's say a 40 years old marine sergeant major who survived the whole Human-Covenant War and has a large knowledge on the enemies.

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Exploit their weakness, use certain facts as advantages, organize big groups of marines and vehicles, launch assaults into enemy bases and defend your own fortifications.

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Also here goes a question, who you guys believe would win? Master Chief or a regular Forerunner Ecumene Warrior-Servant?

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I believe a Warrior Servant would

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win against Chief.

terse lava
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Thats rather obvious, we see the Ur-Didact. Any forerunner would best the crap out of any post-array human

signal turtle
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I would love to see a squad based marine game, but I think it would be best if the player character was more like a private, knows the basics but learns a lot from his older battle brothers

orchid turret
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ODSTs are a completely separate entity.

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Hell they're a damn branch of the marine corps.

near tide
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Theyā€™re not even involved with ONI

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But for halo 3 ODST dare swiped a squad of ODSTā€™s for a mission

silent carbon
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ODSTs being ONI is the stupidest thing ever lmfao, they're part of the UNSC Marine corp, not ONI

storm niche
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thanks!!

broken cloud
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Hola

acoustic aspen
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It wouldn't be useful at all, ancient humanity attempted to do just that, it did nothing.

glacial oracle
acoustic aspen
glacial oracle
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More or less it was designed so that Ancient Humanity thought the cure worked while the flood prepared themselves for the Forerunners.

gilded mason
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"Something something more testing for now...something something crushing hope is awesome, misery is sweetness..."

acoustic aspen
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What screwed everyone as a result was the absolute ego of the forerunner, believing that only they themselves were worthy of the mantle and humanities attempts to uphold it in the face of the growing flood threat were an affront to the forerunners existence and primacy.

lone falcon
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so fortnite is cannon right? does that mean its canon that master chief met batman and iron man?

versed helm
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Fun fact: when the ungoyy were enslaved by the covenant, they were such avid believers that they convinced themselves that the forerunners looked like grunts before their "Ascension".

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Fun fact: the ungoyy almost became a space faring species. But harming the environment led to a disaster.

deft coral
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Oh god, I donā€™t think fortnite will ever be considered canon in the Halo universe.

jovial rivet
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Did I miss something about the elites teaming up with the brutes again? I thought they defected away from the covenant

glacial oracle
# jovial rivet Did I miss something about the elites teaming up with the brutes again? I though...

If your referring to how we see Elite/Brutes working together in Halo Infinite your both right and wrong.

Yes, during H2 and the following games both Elites and Brutes separated after The Great Schism and defected away after the fall of the covenant.

However, both before, during and after The Great Schism the Banished were recruiting defecting members of the Covenant and races into their ranks thus why both Brutes/Elites are together

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The Banished are not the Covenant.

grave pollen
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Was Master Chief on Reach?

glacial oracle
# grave pollen Was Master Chief on Reach?

On? Technically not. During the events of Halo Reach Chief was on Gamma Station which orbits around the planet. Once Reach was lost Chief fled to the PoA which begun the events of CE

grave pollen
ocean matrix
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So question for you lore junkies, I get that decimus is Atrioxā€™s second in command, but that seems like such an odd choice since during the events of HW2 Decimus seems just as willing to toss lives away and kill his own men, wouldnā€™t Atriox kinda like not like that? Or maybe Atriox was trying to do to Decimus what Escharum did for him and mentor him. I guess my question is why Decimus for second in command?

storm niche
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guys, just a question was the didact different from the UR didact?

tepid folio
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Is there no canon explanation on why covenant speaks English?

signal turtle
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I like to think that in the field master chief has an implemented translator but for cutscenes probably just for simplistically sakes

tepid folio
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But it feels cooler thinking the covenant/banished speaks English

acoustic aspen
tepid folio
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And they decided to use it? Interesting
Guessing bc different species uses different languages, and they all needed the same one

velvet rose
# tepid folio Is there no canon explanation on why covenant speaks English?

i think we have some stuff about that

grunts speak english in games,since they learned the language,and they are proud of it

when it comes to elites in halo 2,i think chief just has a translator built into his helmet,but we can't be sure

elites in halo 3 probably simply learned to speak in english

when it comes to the banished,they may have just learned it,or maybe it's the translator thing going on,i am not sure

tepid folio
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No the banished def uses English on purpose to seem intimidating
To humans
And insult them like how the covenant did

velvet rose
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but that falls apart since they don't speak english in CE

tepid folio
velvet rose
tepid folio
velvet rose
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wasn't that in halo 2 tho

acoustic aspen
velvet rose
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since iirc all of the elite lines in ce are just reversed johnson quotes

velvet rose
acoustic aspen
# velvet rose since iirc all of the elite lines in ce are just reversed johnson quotes

"Hear now that 500 teams are to be formed to study the language of the Unclean. Each team to consist of the most clever and most educated Unggoy and Sangheili. These teams to speak only the Unclean language among themselves. The Unclean language to be taught to all military strike teams, that the foe shall be vulnerable." from the Halo Wars intel

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The unclean being Humanity.

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Sorry about the reply.. didn't realize that it was still there.

velvet rose
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interesting

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it's quite interesting that kig-yar spoke only in their language before infinite

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but even then their english is pretty primitive

acoustic aspen
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There were a few notable exceptions

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A couple garbled 4 letter words spoken by Kig Yar throughout the series

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He's spent well more than 4 years in cryo over the 49 years he's been around.

coarse trail
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4 years, 7 months, and 10 days to be exact

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imagine not going to the toilet for that long

ocean matrix
acoustic aspen
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Remember though, Johnson was more than 78 years old when he died. He was an S-1/Orion project member, and he barely looked like he was in his 40's. His augmentations were not nearly as intensive as the S-II augmentations. So it stands to reason that While John is chronologically 49, he might just have the body of a 28 year old or something to that effect.

acoustic aspen
ocean matrix
digital parrot
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Its really interesting with a helpful hint in halo infinite came up

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It said 'Brute laser" and said to use the skewer to eviscerate enemies

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Its like the banished spartan laser without the laser lol

ocean matrix
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I always figured that what it was during the beta

gusty star
gilded mason
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Also, much of his life was spent in cryo

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That would make him much younger, biologically

humble yacht
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how much?

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i don't think it was that much

gilded mason
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He spent about half of his military life in cryo by 2525, so about 13 or so years. And that would just increase in the actual war

humble yacht
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is there a citation for that? that seems a little ridiculous. I know slipspace travel isn't instant but it seems pretty odd that he'd spend 13 years total asleep on long journies

gilded mason
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You didnā€™t age in cryo-sleep, but time passed all the same. Avery figured heā€™d spent at least as much time asleep as awake since heā€™d joined the marines.

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humble yacht
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maybe he was exaggerating

gilded mason
humble yacht
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just seems like a ridiculous amount of time to be in transit

digital parrot
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I slep

gusty star
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Still wanna know where my guy got 78+ years old

near tide
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So at death he was 78 minimum

gusty star
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Source?

near tide
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Halo alpha said before 2474 and halopedia says
Between 2477 and 2482

gilded mason
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Avery Junior Johnson was born at some point between 2474 and 2482 on Earth
2474 was simply the earliest he could have been born.

near tide
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So he was closer to 75 at death

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70-75 anyway

gusty star
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Big difference tbf

gilded mason
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Never use Halo Alpha for anything, as an fyi

near tide
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So, his biography section and just his birthdate in halopedia give conflicting numbers

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But he was in his 70s

gilded mason
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70 to 78

manic pivot
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is there a reason why overshield isnt always turned on for spartans

signal turtle
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Probably because it drains a lot of power

manic pivot
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so would the overshield module basically be a battery or something

ebon pike
glacial oracle
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What it is specifcally is never mentioned but I would probably say it holds power that when activated provides a surge of power to the shielding systems which boosts it temporary.

brisk mesa
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Is master chief collection a good place to start to learn the story?

gilded mason
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Yes

brisk mesa
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Okay thx

versed helm
ruby finch
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i would love a game where you fight maybe a rogue spartan

versed helm
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I want a Sentinal cleaning simulator

acoustic aspen
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I think you mean Rogue... Rouge is a shade of red... and if you shoot one enough... every spartan is rouge

versed helm
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Does master chief have an automatic thingy?

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The thingy in his suit to make boooing??

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Boiuoing!!!

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Chief have the thing that bloops?

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The bloop

quiet zinc
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So.... I don't get why people dislike the Mythic season, it's a lot like the way Doom Eternal does it's new skins, using the lore to explain how space time is all finicky and mirages of other Slayers keep popping in, why doesn't 343 simply explain the armors as by-products of forerunners experimenting into looking into other timelines or something

versed helm
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The bloop

humble yacht
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Not really a lore topic

versed helm
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we were talking abt it in the halo inf chat, we should start a petition

agile zodiac
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Anyways.

untold wasp
# agile zodiac Right...

it is in the halopedia article
just read the part titled organization, it says that they are under the UNSC Marine Corp

opaque dew
# grave pollen Was Master Chief on Reach?

During the battle of Reach, Chief and the other Spartan IIs were provided Mjolnir mark V before Arbiter's forces arrive and it was made obvious Reach was under attack.

As Arbiter's forces arrived, Chief and the other IIs we're aboard the Pillar of Autumn. Most all IIs went back to Reach's surface as charred metal but a few survived.

Chief and Linda went to delete an AI on another ship per the Cole Protocol, but Linda was mortally wounded and was put into a Pillar of Autumn cryo tube until she could be revived. And then Halo CE happened

grave pollen
agile zodiac
terse lava
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@agile zodiac No, she was put in a cyropod after being mortally wounded during the battle of Reach. Her pod was jettisoned along others when Keyes prepared to land on the ring, which was later recovered after that battle and eventually she was healed of her wounds

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Besides, we see her quite a bit in later media, like halo 5 and some comics

agile zodiac
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OH

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That Linda

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So she missed all the fun on the ring with the Flood that Chief had.

grave pollen
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I actually dont know who Linda is, when does she get introduced?

versed helm
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rip

versed helm
# grave pollen Thanks! Whatā€™s the cole protocol, and those events with Linda, which media does ...

Cole Protocol is one of the most used Naval protocols during the Human-Covenant War, as a directive invented by our almighty lord and savior Cole ( Rest in Peace ). According to the Halopedia and what we see on Cole's book, the Covenant was able to track down vessels from a direct slipspace course, meaning that any vessel that let's say for example, jumped to Reach, in a direct course, would be tracked and the result would be Reach being discovered, as the Covenant knew how track and pick this courses. Every member of the UNSC Navy was forced to read it letter by letter every day, and it was only thanks to the Cole Protocol that the Covenant only discovered Human colonies in accident, by tracking devices or Luminaries that detected Forerunner devices.

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There's several articles and sections in the Cole Protocol, such as Subsection-7 where it said that captured Covenant devices and materials such as weapons, vehicles or ships were not to be brought to UNSC installations or Human Colonies, since these could contain tracking devices that could lead to the discovery of these places.

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Breaking any of these subsections, sections and articles would be considered treason and a proper punishment would be recieved.

woeful wing
versed helm
woeful wing
versed helm
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No the bloop

humble yacht
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At this point just repeating ā€œthe bloopā€ is spam

versed helm
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No

humble yacht
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Either clarify clearly or just knock it off

versed helm
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I donā€™t know what itā€™s called

humble yacht
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Then use other words to describe it

woeful wing
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can you give a description beyond five letters por favor?

versed helm
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I didnā€™t wanna say the full thing

humble yacht
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Well now we know this was all nonsense

versed helm
woeful wing
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What a "Flashlight"?

versed helm
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Ye,kotaku said

humble yacht
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This is not an appropriate topic, and is also fake. Move on

woeful wing
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no, that was a troll, sorry, they have waste management but I don't think stress relief is mentioned

versed helm
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Alr

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Chief sleeps for 10 hours a day?

woeful wing
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In The Flood, yes

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but that was due to sleep deprivation

versed helm
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What about

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Oh Alr

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He doesnā€™t sleep 10 hours every day?

humble yacht
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Sometimes he doesnā€™t sleep at all

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Depends on the mission

versed helm
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Alr

woeful wing
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no, Spartans are incredibly effecient

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for example, during the war on Alpha Halo Chief was only seen eating two MREs at Alpha Base before or after his 10-hour nap

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and it lasted from Sep 19 - Sep 22

versed helm
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Indeed.

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Don't like spartans carry this energy bars?

sinful valve
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Forerunners be like: "We are forerunners, guardians of all that exists" Also forerunners, activate the halo array killing all sentient life to stop the flood and preserve every species except themselves

humble yacht
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Not every species

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They missed a bunch

versed helm
versed helm
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However this didn't happened thanks to Medicant Bias' tactics and acts that forced them to activate the rings sooner.

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And the assault on the Greater Ark.

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I forgot about the shield worlds honestly

acoustic aspen
sinful valve
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johntana 117 is a promethean with master chief like armor and a cortana like AI and was created in the forerunner domain when cortana gave birth to it, we don't know the father but we have some ideas, best bet is that it all happened when cortana was stuck in space for 4 years after the destruction of the ark and before the releasing of the didact

terse lava
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Oddest fanfic I have seen yet

full vale
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Iā€™ve only played reach, combat evolved and halo 5

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And I just bought the book

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Good enough

versed helm
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Hey does anyone know how chiefs armor changed from halo 3 to halo 4?

plain path
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Magic

honest trout
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Nanobots

unique rune
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Cortana supposedly used experimental nanomachines stored onboard the Forward Unto Dawn to upgrade his armor.

versed helm
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But it still has the dent?

tacit charm
gilded mason
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It was basically an offhanded remark after being asked about it in an interview

versed helm
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Ok thanks

tacit charm
gilded mason
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Which is pretty silly, considering how drastically everything else was altered

versed helm
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What he said

tacit charm
gilded mason
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Ah yes

versed helm
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Yes

tacit charm
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hence explaining why the bots couldnt fix the dent and why the forward unto dawn is almost as big as the infinity

gilded mason
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lol

unique rune
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At the end of the day it's just a really crummy nonsense explanation for something that should've been a complete non-issue.

gilded mason
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He really should've just said "Resource issue"

versed helm
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Ok but itā€™s still really annoying

unique rune
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The gash on the chest plate is there probably because 343's intention for it was to just be their take on Chief's Mk.VI armor, not some unique upgrade made in the 4.5 years he was stuck floating in space.

gilded mason
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Yup

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Just like the new FuD

versed helm
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That makes more sense

unique rune
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Nanobots came along afterwards to get people to shut up over it provide an explanation because people obsess over these little minor things

versed helm
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Yea but thanks for the explanation

humble yacht
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The nanobots comment was made before launch

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I looked it up

unique rune
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I don't think it was something they'd originally intended for the armor, though, which is what I meant by "later".
The nanobots thing came up about 7 months before launch, yeah, but the Awakening teaser had been out for about 8 months by that point. The Chief's new armor design seems like it was mostly finalized by then, save for some minor details like the green on his crotch.

tacit charm
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why were you looking at his crotch thinkingchief

unique rune
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I wasn't looking at it, other people did and apparently caused enough of a fuss back when the teaser first came out that Halopedia made note of it.

agile zodiac
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Okay

deft coral
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Uhhh

tacit charm
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ye ik pretty sure everyone who knows about the fud knows about that

versed helm
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Are you even suprised about that? Lol

343 changes everything without a single thought

fair hazel
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Gameplay

thin yew
glacial oracle
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If we gonna speak about illogical sizing of ships lets not talk about the racetrack that the engineers who created the Pillar of Autumn wanted to put in

languid veldt
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master chief with cat ears, that fit anywhere in the lore?

spiral maple
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The main reason alot of people wanted to focus on the Pillar of Autumn's design was because of the latticework that makes up its superstructure. Because of the Human/Covenant war, the engineers had to take into consideration the structural integrity of a ship to take heavy plasma damage before it eventually collapses. The Halcyon Cruiser that the Pillar of Autumn is derived from was a big answer to that design philosophy that probably would have been adapted into the larger Destroyer and other capital ship blueprints. That was until the loss of Reach dealt a crippling blow to alot of those plans

acoustic aspen
unique rune
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ā€¦Halcyons predate the Human-Covenant War and were largely mothballed because their unique structure was expensive and nightmarish to maintain. The hell is all this about being an ā€œanswer to Covenant War design philosophyā€ lmao

acoustic aspen
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Corvette, Light Frigate, Heavy Frigate, Destroyer, Light Cruiser, Cruiser, Battle Cruiser, Light Carrier, Battleship, Carrier, and Supercarrier were the categories of ships for the UNSC if memory serves. With Prowlers ranging from Corvette to cruiser size.

spiral maple
unique rune
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Uh, no, the Halcyon-class is nearly three times the length of a typical UNSC destroyer.

acoustic aspen
spiral maple
grave pollen
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Why is halo lore so interesting yet so frustrating at the same time. I feel like Iā€™m missing a lot and donā€™t know what I should and shouldnā€™t know. SMH

spiral maple
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Even still, I do stand by why they decided to go with the Halcyon design over the Marathon class cruiser when they decided to make some core upgrades to make it more durable in battle. Especially after the reactor upgrade, and the power recycling MAC gun,

acoustic aspen
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They went with the Autumn classā€¦ the Marathon replaced the Halcyon due to the Extreme manufacturing costs. Where did you pull your lore from? Spark notes?

spiral maple
acoustic aspen
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That is correct, and It's considered a new class. Whilst existing Halcyons were repurposed and retrofit into Autumn class, that doesn't change the fact that it's a new class.

spiral maple
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I never argued that it was. Maybe it was misinterpreted on my part, since I thought you meant that the Autumn class succeeded the Marathon in terms of design, hence why I pointed out that it was derived from the existing Halcyon ships

tacit charm
grave pollen
sharp inlet
solemn otter
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Not sure if this has been discussed, but could the Endless be the Precursors?
In the novels, they're called the timeless.

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Unless I read wrong lol

humble yacht
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The endless are not precursors

solemn otter
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OkayšŸ˜”

humble yacht
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The endless survived a halo pulse. Halos kill precursor stuff

solemn otter
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Ohhh

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Scary

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Was the Harbinger an Endless?

sharp inlet
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we dont have enough info

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or maybe yes?

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idk

glacial oracle
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Although its possible her physical appearance will differ to the other members of her race as audio cues seem to link that she was physically altered by the Forerunners.

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Through experimentation.

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More of a theory tho

hybrid juniper
gaunt oakBOT
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unique rune
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They werenā€™t indexed by the Forerunners as part of the Conservation Measure so I very much doubt the Endless had reached a point where they could build stuff like Shield Worlds.

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Even if they did I donā€™t think it wouldā€™ve been shielded from the Halo pulse either.

hybrid juniper
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Shield worlds are able to protect against halo pulses if they shrink into a slipspace bubbles type thing

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They could have had something similar on the ground like a slipspace bunker

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Plus the Forerunners were distracted by the flood and everything. It isn't out of the question that they would miss someone

unique rune
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But a species capable of construction on the scale of shield worlds? Thatā€™s not just something that would go unnoticed by the Forerunners. If they had that ability they likely wouldā€™ve taken notice of them even before the Flood came around.

grave pollen
sharp inlet
terse lava
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Thats kind of the thing with most franchises. The larger lore is not in the game itself

tame steeple
grave pollen
tame steeple
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Yea np šŸ‘šŸ¼

grave pollen
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What information do we know about Atriox prior to the events of Infinite?

frigid oracle
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banished leader !!

untold wasp
craggy tinsel
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Is red team heading to zeta?

untold wasp
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they are probably still on the ark

terse lava
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No, they are still on the ark

iron oar
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I have walked the edge of the Abyss.
I have governed the unwilling.
I have witnessed countless empires break before me.
I have seen the most courageous soldiers fall away in fear.
[I was there with the Angel at the tomb]
I have seen your future.
And I have learned.

There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.

I HAVE WON.

Oh, and your poet Eliot had it all wrong:
THIS is the way the world ends.

a friend of a friend

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ā€”Cortana, 1999

versed helm
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what spartan gen are the multiplayer spartans in halo 3?

near tide
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Iā€™m pretty sure anyway

versed helm
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oh ok, thanks

unique rune
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I think prior games' multiplayer was retconned to also be War Games simulations to some extent? But I don't remember for sure. A lot of the maps did receive designations for the War Games simulator IIRC but I dunno if the multiplayer itself is actually supposed to be treated like it.

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If they were then under 343's direction they should probably be considered Spartan-IVs, but I imagine they'd be Spartan-IIs if that wasn't the case. Not that they'd really have a canonical generation if they weren't considered War Games simulations.

untold wasp
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i believe infinite's multiplayer are war games due to the tutorial

gusty star
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I see it as CE-3 as SII, Reach as SIII, 4-Infinite as SIV

hybrid juniper
steep remnant
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Are the Halo Audio books done well?

night flax
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Yes

modest quarry
untold wasp
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could be a different class

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idk then

versed helm
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what u guys talking about?

tacit charm
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artistic licencing, pretty sure there's like 4 variations of the epoch and two different versions in the same events so either nano tech changing the design of a ship like forward unto dawn in halo 4 is canon or artistic licencing

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edit it was 3 variations not 4

obsidian thistle
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The Fleet Battles version at this current time is the canon version.

urban locust
urban locust
obsidian thistle
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Start with The Original Series of novels

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That will help!

tame steeple
urban locust
tame steeple
glad hawk
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I want to ask how much is ghost of onyx I only have the first 3.

bright pumice
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Am I canon?

unique rune
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If you have to ask, the answer is probably no.

versed helm
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it feels good to be a halo fan after reading about the silver timeline

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although Soren's portrayal is going to be a strange one, he seems like an archetype of Ilsa Zane

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And the cosplay from the show is going to be amazing

idle timber
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I think the name "Installation 4B" is cooler than "Installation 08"

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like yeah sure 4B is taken by the pencil companies or something but 08 just sounds like another Halo

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not the SECOND halo crombat devolved

versed helm
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Wasn't 4b another halo though?

idle timber
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yeah but you know what I mean

versed helm
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is 4b a canon name?

idle timber
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from now on, I will be calling it Installation 4B. You cannot stop me.

idle timber
versed helm
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oh so it doesnt matter. its 4b or 08 depending on who you talk to

idle timber
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and quite frankly I don't give a hoot what Halo Alpha says

versed helm
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Im on Halopedia not Halo Alpha lol

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Halo Alpha is a mess

idle timber
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Halo Alpha is better for anything gameplay related

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Halopedia is better for lore

versed helm
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fair

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never thought of it that way

idle timber
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like does Halopedia have a page for MAP FILES

(the map files were originally called uhhh)

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yeah I don't wanna hear about the .47 megafarts it can do in a comic book I wanna see if it can kill flood good

unique rune
# versed helm is 4b a canon name?

It was canonized by the old encyclopedia but 343 doesnā€™t really use it anymore in favor of the 08 designation.

Which is a change that Iā€™m entirely in favor of, quite frankly.

obsidian thistle
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Sorry to bring the bad news there.

obsidian thistle
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Just to be upfront there

unique rune
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Ah, it's been entirely decanonized?

obsidian thistle
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Yup

woeful wing
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Is Maria-062 (the Spartan who retired after testing Chief's Mk VI before the Battle of Earth) canon?

gilded mason
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Yes

craggy tendon
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Rip Black Team

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that darn Ur-Didact thinking it's ok to smurf against our Spartan 2 bois

woven holly
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What book should I read after the Fall of Reach? I was thinking First Strike since it seems like it takes place around the same time period on Reach.

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Book was great btw šŸ˜³

woven holly
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Thanks! But like

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Are you 100% sure

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O_O

unique rune
earnest oracle
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I liked the nightfall movie

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Made me like locke more

acoustic aspen
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Silent storm is before... about 27 years before.

hybrid harbor
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And then I want to watch red vs blue

magic garnet
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Does anyone know what the planet Halsey is visiting in the upcoming series trailer is supposed to be, they said its an alien planet and that its not harvest
it looked like it has a debris ring

earnest oracle
hybrid harbor
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šŸ‘

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I got to find the time now šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜¢

split glacier
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Anyone here like mass effect?

warm acorn
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Maybe you're thinking of Halo and Mass Effect crossover?

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Would you imagine the Reapers invaded Halo universe

terse lava
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Wouldn't be that bad, the Reapers,and the ME universe in general, is pretty low tier on the scifi ladder

craggy sierra
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Like the average biotic class could just stasis a spartan and there'd be shag all they could do about that

terse lava
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They are pretty limited to other universes, not just halo

rotund marsh
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Halo

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So question for all the lore people. Is what fireteam were all the Spartans that died on zeta halo apart of? Like spartan griffin

craggy sierra
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Chances are there were several dozen fireteams aboard the Infinity.

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So it's hard to really say unless explicitly stated somewhere

terse lava
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Yeah, no real way to know for the time being

untold wasp
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kovan and stone might be in intrepid due to their design and the rubicon protocol cover

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panago and sarkar idk
malik also in windfall

rotund marsh
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Sick thanks mate

untold wasp
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no problem

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also there is 2 more in taurus but i forgot their names

left light
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Hopefully we get more gen 3 info and lasky whereabouts in the novel

untold wasp
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ya

rotund marsh
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Do you think ONIā€™s going to play a big part in Halo Infinite?

gilded mason
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Well, they played no part in the base game, and I can't imagine their remnants would be relevant in the expansions.

left light
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We know on the BTB map Highpower a CAS class covenant assault carrier or it might be a DDS class I'm not sure, but we do know that it is a covenant faction and it won't attack the unsc panama due to fear of harming forerunner technology, in the post war there's obviously the banished which even in human criminal empire's we know that they are popular there's also remnants of the storm covenant that splintered off thanks to Sali' Nyon, Dural 'Mdama and the servants of abiding truth and on the ark we know a prelate Dhas Bhasvod of the true covenant loyalist is still around and in concept art a T-47B scarab is fighting T-25A banished banshees and shooting a banished dreadnaught although it is concept art, I would not be surprised if we see the covenant again in some form in the future like a massive AI warzone for halo infinite, DLC or otherwise.

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The remaining covenant loyalist on the ark however are outnumbered by the banished and UNSC and as far as we know only small pockets of them remain in the milky way of which a few had been killed or hunted down.

untold wasp
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i think all the mp maps are wargames but that is just me

ebon coyote
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i find myself...in a gungoose with a rocket launching Marine...just driving aimlessly about...its like when the campaign has been completed and the marines rescued...what is there??

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idk maybe im missing the point

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cuz ive played ODST and thats open world...i also play mercenaries playround of destruction and thats open world...so im no stranger to open world games...just idk it feels like...something is missing...you know??

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left light
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the problem with infinites open world is once you are truly done with everything it just feels kind of empty

ebon coyote
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so its not just me then??

left light
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I think it's everyone and whats missing the most and the act man pointed this out if this is such a major conflict then why aren't we seeing widespread warfare everywhere.

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Give us the ability to command forces, guide, defend launch strikes, the banished hit your forces and claim bases, give us the ability to call in odsts.

untold wasp
ebon coyote
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so FPS meets RTS??

untold wasp
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the odsts

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there is no ship above

ebon coyote
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so Halo mixed with some Command and Conquer??

untold wasp
left light
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Their are FPS even third person games mixed with RTS shadow of war is a great example

ebon coyote
untold wasp
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lol

left light
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Plus the banished have humans in their ranks making us fight against defectors would be neat.

ebon coyote
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but how to incorporate Halo Wars gameplay into infinite...perhaps make the AI more cunning??

left light
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Like I said take a look at shadow of war elements and put that in halo

ebon coyote
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OOOOH wait

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just spitballing here

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but

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state of decay 2...we have a community of Marines to look after...bases scattered throughout the maps (much like the FOBs)

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and an implacable enemy

left light
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Thats also another good example

ebon coyote
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imma make like Master Chief and mix things up a little bit but

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but take Halo Wars and turn it into an FPS game...might as well be a Fallout game at that point...so my theory lies in the AI

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maybe try making adjustments to them

untold wasp
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But could be fun if you know how to play it

ebon coyote
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i mean im not into fallout for the simple reason of i cant bloody stand the graphics

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we have ALL this space on Zeta Halo...we can build a Base on it...not just stick a FOB here and a FOB there...but an actual base complete with defensive lines and structures...its own economy builders...production centers...Red Alert 2 turned FPS if you will

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cuz ill admit it i am a HUGE CnC nerd lol

dense bobcat
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So something like saint's row and the takeover system?

ebon coyote
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ive only played saints row 3 so uh...im kinda stupid when it comes to that kind of stuff

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sorry

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but i could TOTALLY imagine chief whipping out the penetrator and just slapping Brutes with it

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and ill admit it...i laughed harder than i should have lol

fast falcon
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I canā€™t imagine the game getting too far into base command and stuff like that, but Iā€™d absolutely love to have like a main base that sorta builds up and gets larger as you go through the game and complete objectives

ebon coyote
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indeed

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like a little hub world

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Concordia from Borderlands the PreSequel for example

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OR better yet

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the Infinity...as the game goes on more and more repairs are made to the Infinity giving us more and more options

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assuming she wasn't killed outright

dense bobcat
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Ha, new gravity hammer secret easter egg just the penetrator

ebon coyote
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LMAO

dense bobcat
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People who mod games^^^^there's you're funny haha meme shot

ebon coyote
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Master Chief wielding a gravity hammer called The Penetrator...

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giving the brutes the tip

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šŸ¤£

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#plzdontbanme

mental plover
lone falcon
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thankfully all the scarabs were dealt with in halo wars so we dont have to deal with them in halo infinite

grave pollen
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How did atriox weaken op cortana? At the end of halo 5 she pretty much controlled everything

ebon coyote
versed helm
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Question for the lore where was Lord hood during halo 4 and 5

untold wasp
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on earth

versed helm
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Well makes sense as well as will you think that Lord hood will be in halo infinite campaign DLC

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We seen that cut mid ending cutscene

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Maybe that's Lord hoods ship

gilded mason
versed helm
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Considering the superiority of the SPARTAN-II program over 3 and 4 was shutting down the program a good idea?

Buck in Gen 2 armor said spartan 3s were demigods and spartan 2s gods

gilded mason
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Buck isn't an omnipotent narrator

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And yeah. Making all the new Spartans adult volunteers...isn't bad.

humble yacht
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Buckā€™s opinion is influenced by his experiences

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Experiences where spartan 2s and 3s saved his bacon and everyone elseā€™s bacon on multiple occasions

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So of course he is going to revere there even as a Spartan himself

fast falcon
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The SII program still had a lot of flaws

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Halsey had a very strict genetic requirements for it, as well as the heavy moral implications in abducting and indoctrinating children to be made into soldiers

near tide
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Morally terrible

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Etc

fast falcon
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The SIV program is capable of creating many more soldiers, far faster than the SII program, and is much easier to be sold to the public and uses consenting adults

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Iā€™d take it over the SII program any day

sullen grotto
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man i dont get why people complain over the body types in infinite

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like lore wise you cant distinguish a feminine Spartan from a male one

unique rune
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Considering the superiority of the SPARTAN-II program over 3 and 4 was shutting down the program a good idea?
The augmentation procedures killed or maimed half the candidates that went through. I feel like that alone should be reason enough to replace it with something better, even before getting into the ethical hoo ha.

near tide
unique rune
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In The Fall of Reach (at least I'm pretty sure it's from TFOR), it was noted that the Spartan-IIs were almost indistinguishable in their Mk.IV armor. Halsey could tell by some of the subtleties in the way they moved, but to any other person's eyes they more or less all looked the same.

near tide
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She couldnā€™t tell individuals apart

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Pretty sure gender can be told apart

unique rune
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I mean, it depends on how the armor was designed. As far as we know Mk.IV looks more or less identical regardless of gender, at least as far as the "standard" model is concerned.

sullen grotto
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it just kinda ticks me off that the only reason people care about the feminine exaggerated body types is because of booty like bruh šŸ˜­

untold wasp
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that is pretty much their only argument

unique rune
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Man. TFOR Animated's Mk.IV armor sure is odd.

sullen grotto
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yeah it is

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kinda liked sams tho but all the others besides him and john i didnt lile

unique rune
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The body armor is mostly unchanged except for the odd Mk.VI MOD-style fusion pack bolted onto the back, and then the helmets are a strange mixed bag.

knotty niche
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hate to intrude but iā€™ve heard different from multiple people, but is it true or false that cortana originally wanted to be pared w/ the spartan we play in halo reach over cheif??

unique rune
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That is... entirely false.

knotty niche
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alr thanks

short plank
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She chose him to deliver her fragment to the Pillar of Autumn but yeah thatā€™s about it. She was already paired with Chief before he showed up.

versed helm
smoky thistle
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Can someone explain all the lore to me. Infinite is my first game and I want to get into halo really bad.

digital parrot
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Shouldn't Spartan Armor be androgenous ? Just form fitting in the areas it needs to be? I dont get why it wouldnt be anything drastically different cause its supposed to protect the user, not show its assets

last anchor
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It is, and in canon S-IIs are physically standardized, more or less.
Only Halsey was able to tell who was who when they were in their armor, as the "number on the chest plate" thing didnt show up until well after FoR came out.

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If you weren't here, every Spartan looked almost idental bar variations in height, but those tended to be very slight even.

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The expections being towering meathulks like Sam, Jorge and Kurt.

digital parrot
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Yeah thats what I thought too

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Dont need exaggerated types lol

versed helm
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Should I read 'first strike' after 'the fall of reach'?

versed helm
unique rune
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I would suggest reading The Flood before First Strike but if you think you're familiar enough with CE's events you can just go straight from The Fall of Reach to First Strike.

agile zodiac
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By far my favorite.

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It's big and beefy for all the right reasons.

last anchor
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Give it time, I will be every surprised if we DONT get it at some point.

versed helm
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Cortana was so hot in halo 5 what the hell happened

unique rune
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Theyā€™re subject to some flexibility with artistic license but that doesnā€™t render them entirely noncanon. If thereā€™s a ā€œmore canonically correctā€ source that overrides them then, sure, defer to that instead. At the same time I donā€™t think itā€™s necessarily visually inaccurate.

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Other media that depicts Spartan-IIs in relatively uniform armor permutations, like the comic adaptation of The Fall of Reach, still makes them look pretty physically similar when armored up.

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Even their Project COBALT armor from Collateral Damage is relatively androgynous.

fair hazel
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Where it conflicts I'd say it wouldnt be the canon depiction

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But say, Stckrboy's face is canon

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Pretty sure

untold sleet
void jay
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If you pay attention to the campaign listing it is in order for a reason

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There is halo wars one and two but it's really a strategic game but also contains lore about the banished specifically halo wars 2

tacit charm
polar moon
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Hey anyone know what the ammunition for the needler is actually called

tacit charm
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don't do drugs and religion

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šŸ’Ŗ uny šŸ„–

tacit charm
polar moon
tacit charm
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ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

tacit charm
agile zodiac
polar moon
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Ok but maybe i want an answer from a random halo nerd who just knows it

agile zodiac
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Lol

polar moon
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Oop nvm

tacit charm
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pretty sure it's called blamite or something

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dont really care that much tbh

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oh ye just checked it is blamite

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speaking of blamite

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need to find out what weapons platforms were at high charity

polar moon
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What do you mean?

tacit charm
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stuff

polar moon
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Like in general or like specific levels or what

tacit charm
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i meant what weapons platforms were present at high charity

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also i have a feeling these platforms may be the same one seen in escalations which explains alot

scarlet hinge
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that's the proper term

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so-named as it's mined on the moon of Suban

polar moon
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THANK YOU

scarlet hinge
scarlet hinge
tacit charm
polar moon
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Not yet

tacit charm
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if he wants to sure

versed helm
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?

lethal elm
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Man infinite in Japanese is actually amazing

acoustic aspen
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IDK, but technically she has helped him take care of business before.

tired terrace
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The ā€œspineā€ of high charity with all the points sticking out are all weapons platforms

tacit charm
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ye ik that's also a possibility though the use of weapons platforms and they way pedia writes out the defences of high charity may point to them being space stations (though it would be a bit weird to have a station so close to H.C)

near tide
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High Charity had massive defense fleets

drowsy hare
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I feel like a lot of people weren't connecting the dots in Halo Infinite to the Banished's end goal. The Banished wanted to colonize Zeta Halo and make it both their home and their "sword". Direct quote from Echarum. Is it just coincidence they wanted to unleash the only life form that could survive a Halo activation (The Endless)? The Banished are planning on activating Halo, and wiping out every one of their enemies in a single stroke. Atriox is trying to use the Halos to wipe the galaxy clean and stand unopposed. Truly a terrifying motivation if you ask me. I really really like the Banished.

terse lava
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Not really, just comes off as typical big bad villain plot, something you'd expect from a Saturday morning cartoon bad guy.

grave pollen
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Where does the name Master Chief come from?

main rivet
# drowsy hare I feel like a lot of people weren't connecting the dots in Halo Infinite to the ...

Remember that Installation 07 is older than the rest of the array (you could make a alcohol-poisoning-ready drinking game out of how many times they say "this ring is different" in Infinite.) Presumably it is still capable of the directed firing it was built with, rather than just the networked wipe-all-life pulse effect. That makes it a much better weapon since it's both a doomsday weapon and something you can use more conventionally.

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Finding the Harbinger was just an accident and then a marriage of convenience, since the Harbinger clearly knew how to fast-track the Banished's ambitions (although I don't think either side trusted each other and wouldn't have turned on the other one once their goals were accomplished.)

fast falcon
versed helm
grave pollen
craggy sierra
# drowsy hare I feel like a lot of people weren't connecting the dots in Halo Infinite to the ...

I kinda gotta wonder at what point Escharum and Atriox decided that taking what remains of their dwindling species on the warpath was a good idea...or how they got any amount of elites to go along with this suicidal idea.

It's almost like the Banished were originally written to be space brigands with grounded self interests and not the last bastion of a dying race marching a war path for conquest.

It's almost like the writers were really struggling to cobble an excuse of something together to mimic the covenant threat of the old games.

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This gets really dumb when you start considering the fact that humanity has been amenable to alien refugees since the war ended.
If it is just blind pride on behalf of the brutes and an unwillingness to accept help then that just brings back into question why elites are going along with this.

You'd think Jega would be like "Escharum, this is kinda stupid. Maybe you should not take the rest of your race into war"

terse lava
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I doubt what we see on the ring are the last of the Jiralhanae, likely not even the last of the Banished

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But I do agree the entire plot feels forced and silly

craggy sierra
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That's not what I'm saying

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The banished are probably going to remain nebulous in a non-descript amount of them spread out in the galaxy for when a story needs something for you to shoot at.

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But when their motivations are trying to be painted as a tragedy stemming from a lost homeworld, declaring war and dragging a large amount of your population into it does not seem smart.

terse lava
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Pretty much, they have nothing else to use besides Sali 'Nyon's little remnant from Jul.

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Yeah, you'd think they'd be smarter and more or less return to their roots of raiding and using words to bring more into the fold, not a conquest of a halo that will damage your species and faction with several leadership members dead

fast falcon
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Yeah I liked them as a group in HW2 a lot, and Atriox I still think is a good villain, but theyā€™re very much just pushing them into the role of the Covenant but red now

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Theyā€™re a cool group they just donā€™t work as good as a huge focus for a massive threat rn, not when you had the Created there

untold wasp
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ya, i wish they weren't becoming the covenant 3.0

craggy sierra
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The banished's ideals are painted as a freedom of will, and a place for the down on their luck millitants from the war to basically pick up work as mercenaries and brigands living that space pirate life after the war.

But the brutes then dragging every other race under them along on what seems like an unbelievably petty and ill defined war path with little to no gain for really...anyone at all, including the brutes, means we seem to be back at the realm of a faction being entirely motivated by blind faith.

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Which kinda seems like the complete opposite of what the Banished were meant to be

terse lava
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You'd think Atriix would have tried to persuade some of the human survivors to join up rather then waste time killing or eating them

fast falcon
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I kinda wish a lot of what was in the holograms and flashbacks in Infinite was part of the actual game, and it was like a three way fight between UNSC survivors, created, and the banished for control of the ring

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Make the Promethean troops more like the basic enemies this time while the Banished are more elite enemies on the ring at points

craggy sierra
fast falcon
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Yeah thatā€™s accurate

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It feels like jumping from Halo 2 to Halo 4 storywise

frosty swan
fast falcon
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No the joke is that it feels like thereā€™s a whole halo game that we missed between 5 and Infinite

craggy sierra
frosty swan
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Ah I see.

craggy sierra
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It feels like there is an entire missing game's story relegated to audio logs and background details

frosty swan
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Gotta say, feels underwhelming for the created to be pushed aside so easily.

untold wasp
craggy sierra
# untold wasp hopefully they go in depth in the rubicon protocol book this year

Man even then like...idk what you can do to salvage the Banished at this point. They're seemingly a walking hypocrisy of their own ideals and not in a clever way where the writers are trying to make a point or statement about their behaviour.
It's less like they're a covenant 2.0 but more like Covenant 0.8.
If they are writing this hypocrisy to serve some sort of narrative point then it is lesser than what we had seen with the covenant.

untold wasp
craggy sierra
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Hell its lesser than what we had with both Jul M'Dama and the Created, despite how much of a hot take praise towards the created are.

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Halo 5 was scuffed in its story and I won't defend that but there is some stuff you do learn about the created in outside material that does show what they're about.
That being a police state that thinks the best preservation of life in the galaxy is the total absolution of free will and de-militarization.

There's hypocrisy in Cortana's "for the greater good" ideals that saw her causing massive casualties among non-combatants but there's an actual reasoning and understanding to her idea that these deaths today will make the galaxy better for everyone else tomorrow. It also served as a reflection of how the forerunners treated the mantle in their era and how they subjugated free will of the races under them.

untold wasp
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usually when they say for the greater good they are doing the opposite

craggy sierra
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Yes

untold wasp
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in books and movie

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unless it is thanos

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he gets a pass

craggy sierra
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But the thing is there are arguments to be made in both directions for Cortana's long term goals. The galaxy just came off a bloody 27 year long war that saw like 25 billion casualties in humanity alone let alone everyone else.

After that you can probably make a good argument for a galaxy-wide 2nd amendment revocation.

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But you enter into the philosophical questions of how much free will are people willing to relinquish for peace, even if everyone did play along and lay down arms and sing kumbaya would Cortana's authority have ended there?

untold wasp
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for me it feels like cortana could of turned the aggressiveness down a notch

craggy sierra
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I think the point of what she did in Halo 5 was to largely send a message. The first showing of why her authority should be heeded and what would happen to populations who didn't.

terse lava
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And if course it backfired completely

untold wasp
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why won't people follow me?? i was just taking their free will

craggy sierra
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I wouldn't say it backfired, you have to consider that she knew she was going to be engaging in a long drawn out war before she would ever have seen it resemble getting her way.

terse lava
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Her reign lasted, 2 years I think?

untold wasp
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or was it 1

terse lava
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If she wanted peace so badly, she had other methods she could have used.

fast falcon
# untold wasp unless it is thanos

Nah I always felt Thanos wasnā€™t trying to do good for the universe, but driven to prove his dead race that his way of saving them was right, and sating his bloodlust at the same time

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When he realizes people will always try and stop his goals he just goes straight to wiping them all out and starting again as a god

terse lava
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Thanos is literally insane, people forget his original comic portrayal he did that stunt just to impress death herself

untold wasp
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ya

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and i think was jealous of dead pool as well

terse lava
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Cortana could have given more resources to the various species, could have helped improve their lives, but didn't

craggy sierra
terse lava
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Thats the thing though, until whatever mcguffin was pulled out of the void, no one could threaten her

untold wasp
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feel bad for the grunts tho

craggy sierra
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But Infinite kinda just blusters right past all of this in an attempt to bury any mention of Halo 5 as quickly as it can

terse lava
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Isn't that also another problem though? We don't know what good she did for the galaxy, seeing as we barely have lore touching on the period

humble yacht
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Yea the fact that infinite doesnā€™t address it sucks

terse lava
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Mhm

humble yacht
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Would be nice to have confirmation on what really caused her drastic change in behavior

craggy sierra
humble yacht
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Also the fact that she died still believing she was right left a bad taste. Not to mention that effectively replacing her with the Weapon really belittles both characters

terse lava
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CE has thr excuse of having a book, and a manuel with barley any story "whats reach? Whose thr Covenant?" These were explained at least, and didn't hold a massive central plot point like we see with Cortana and the Banished

fast falcon
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Yeah ultimately it feel like their attempts to fix all the issues from 5 while also trying to start off on a clean slate only damaged the story overall

humble yacht
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The acting and characterization of chief and the weapon was a high point but beyond that, i get more disappointed with the story the more I think about it

craggy sierra
humble yacht
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We donā€™t know she adopted that name for sure but yea

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If she took Cortanaā€™s name then thatā€™s a slap in the face

terse lava
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I would hope her name drew on something else

untold wasp
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Halsey 2.0

humble yacht
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Honestly, what does that say for the Weaponā€™s future? In 7 years, is she gonna die and get replaced by another identical blue lady?

terse lava
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Marathon had Durandel, CE-4 had Cortana, give Weapon a different name tie in

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Heck, name her after a Flippin shield

humble yacht
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I think a shield that flips would have compromised integrity smirkle

unique rune
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Canā€™t wait for the Weaponā€™s name to be something super blunt and on the nose like ā€œHopeā€.

terse lava
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Dang it ChimšŸ¤£

craggy sierra
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A random aside to dump some FFXIV lore but I promise this is relevant.

A character in the first expansion of the game died but then 2 expansions later you travel to another world where you find her spirit has actually been reborn there and this guy who used to be her protector even calls her by her old name.
She kinda spent most of her new life locked in a cage and didn't have a formal name so he's not really denying her an identity or anything but she has no recollection of this past life she once was.
And the coping methods the guy uses to basically make amends for the past feel a little unhealthy. The moral of the story ends with her deciding that despite being a reborn spirit she's also her own person and ends up choosing her own name and the guy who was once her protector lets go of the past.

Halo Infinite kinda feels like that except it continued making all the unhealthy coping choices but played under the guise of being a good thing that's meant to appeal to nostalgia.

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It'd be fun if Infinite was setting up a meta-narrative rug pull to comment on nostalgia blindness in the future but I don't think the series has those types of narrative aspirations.

terse lava
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That does feel eerily accurate

fast falcon
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I agree

terse lava
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Closest I think we got to that was chief attempting to delete Weapon, to avoid a repeat Cortana

humble yacht
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But that felt sorta weird because we donā€™t even know why Cortana was the way she was

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All chief ever said was he didnā€™t protect her

terse lava
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I assume thanks to the similar personality of Halsey, she simply thinks she knows best

humble yacht
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Just seemed awfully shortsighted of chief to generalize the weapon like that

craggy sierra
humble yacht
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Infinite because he started looking at the deletion protocol before she even did anything

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Then again when she was seemingly in pain when the Harbinger was doing something and instead of helping her, he tried to delete her

terse lava
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Maybe he saw it the last time he tried to help, Cortana went on to become what we saw in h5

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I figure he was trying to return to looking at the Weapon as hardware, like he originally did with Cortana

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Even in the novels, he comments he would erase Cortana if she became a threat, The Flood if I am recalling correctly

craggy sierra
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I got the vibe that chief was kinda just nebulously guilty over H4 in general even though you'd look at that and probably be able to tell him it wasn't his fault. Hell he even bounces that whole situation around inside his head in the intro to Shadows of Reach.

humble yacht
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I donā€™t consider the flood to be the best characterization of chief and Cortana

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Iā€™m not sure that author really picked up on what nylund had established

craggy sierra
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I take a lot of stuff from Halo's early years with a grain of salt

humble yacht
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I like Troyā€™s take on Chief the most so far

terse lava
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Of course, its just the tie in I saw as closest

craggy sierra
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Actually I got a question, despite the fact that the UNSC was getting pushed back for most of the war, was there ever really any missions that ended in failure explicitly on chief's behalf?

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I'm just wondering if "failing to protect Cortana" would have been the first explicit mission failure to fall on him...or at least be perceived as doing so.

fair hazel
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The weapon should be named durandal or joyeuse

craggy sierra
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I'm fine with whatever. Really just anything but Cortana.

humble yacht
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I donā€™t think chief has ever had any complete failures

fair hazel
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I think it really should be one of those two names

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I am Cortana forged of the same steel as Durendal and joyeuse

humble yacht
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Heā€™s failed some side objectives. Not saving Keyes, for instance

craggy sierra
humble yacht
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Even in 4, he didnā€™t fail what could be argued to be the main objective. He did stop Didact and save earth

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New Phoenix aside >_>

craggy sierra
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Chronic over achiever fails for the first time, can't cope, end result is a galactic police state and mass civillian death. I can see that being hard.

humble yacht
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He wasnā€™t able to save his friend, tho, and that may have been more important to him than stopping Didact. But itā€™s hard to tell

craggy sierra
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Not that he really gets a choice in the matter.

humble yacht
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I also donā€™t get how the weapon was able to lock down a Domain-empowered Cortana and effectively disconnect her from it, which is the only explanation as to why she was at all vulnerable

craggy sierra
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Lets be real

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There was always going to be some plot bs involved to solve that, even if we had stayed the course for continuing H5's story properly

humble yacht
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I dunno

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If they had targeted Maethrillian then that could have actually posed a threat to Cortana

craggy sierra
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But as I said earlier, in such a story you could at least cover up such plot conveniences by focusing on the moral and interpersonal questions related to the conflict and making them the focal point.

Or as I like to call it, Mass Effect 3 writing.

craggy sierra
humble yacht
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My idea: Halsey learns about maethrillian and itā€™s connection to the domain through some plot device, maybe a record left behind by the IsoDidact. She learns that the domain can be reset there and surmises that resetting the domain may purge every Created AI using it, effectively meaning instant victory. But to find out maethrillianā€™s location, the have to go to zeta halo to check its travel logs since it had been there

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And then the banished can show up and ruin that plan

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As things currently stand, we donā€™t even know why Cortana was on Zeta

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Or how the unsc found out she was there

cobalt quiver
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Why did the UNSC specifically choose Zeta Halo?

humble yacht
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The unsc found zeta while researching something and sent a team there years ago

ornate light
obsidian thistle
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Well Gamma was out of commission (IE missing)
Delta was heavily damaged. (Glassed during Halo 2)
Alpha was destroyed (twice with the third being under Cortanas control)

Zeta was the only option

near tide
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craggy sierra
left light
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We'll likely learn more soon from Rubicon protocol, but since you did bring up maethrillian the last person who'd saught it out was Rho 'Barutamee but he died as any reach player might know that is into the lore but if lets say since Halsey had close interface with the reach forerunner vessel and knew the location of the capital that would be something I'd like to see in a halo game is visiting maethrillian.

terse lava
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Pity Rho didn't reach it, wod have been interesting if he had found what lay therr

left light
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I imagine if he did the Hierarch's would have praised him to the highest order for his dedication and finding of such a significant location to their religion probably just as important as the halos are to them.

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Maethrillian is regarded by the covenant as the revered as the fabled throne of their gods

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Plus it's beautiful as well just from the images we have from it alone, I can see another reason as to why the covenant made high charity a similar structure.

eager atlas
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(This is more or less my own personal back story so just a heads up)

After being saved by the master chief during the events of halo 3, spartan, Jacob Connor enrolled into the UNSC during times of war and barley made it through the basic training program. While he aced every writing exam he is lacking in mathematics however his battle tactics are spot on and earned a spot in the spartan program. As of right now his number is 9 and his color armor is blue.

REPORT END

terse lava
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@left light thats if he told the Hierarchs and Covenant at large, he wasn't at Reach on their orders. Had he not been killed, it appears he would have been in serious trouble with them

left light
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That is true it was a secret mission on his behalf and he had fears the larger covenant invasion of reach would halt his plans

versed helm
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I still want noble 6 to come back, just a helmet dose not mean he is dead CSGONoble

plain path
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Yeah but

versed helm
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but........

plain path
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A glassing and like getting stabbed two times with an energy sword usually does

versed helm
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thinkingchief i dont know chief has been stabbed more times than there are stars in the sky

plain path
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Doesnā€™t he usually

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Die when he gets stabbed

versed helm
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hmm

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idk just hoping (:

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Fret pogers

terse lava
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He's absolutely dead, and nothing but ash

unique rune
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Even if he survived the Sangheili, a crippled Spartan on a barren wasteland isnā€™t gonna last very long.

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B312 is dead and hamfistedly writing in some survival story for him removes any shreds of emotional impact Reachā€™s campaign has.

terse lava
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Besidrs, noble 6 didn't have much in the way of personality.

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No real.loss

plain path
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He basically had the personality of whoever the player was

terse lava
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Pretty much

humble yacht
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Not even that, really

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6 had just enough personality to not be a self insert, despite the customizable exterior

main rivet
main rivet
humble yacht
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Yea but unless every single banished is on the ring itself, theyā€™re also pointing the gun at themselves

main rivet
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Not really, given Installation 07 is presumably still able to fire tactically like the other original rings.

humble yacht
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A tactical pulse is only useful if you know how to drive the ring to new locations

main rivet
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The Banished are many things, but it's made pretty clear they're not idiots when it comes to Forerunner technology. Given them time and they'd figure it out.

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The Banished backsliding into being inspired by something akin to hero worship or religious fervor is interesting, but I think it fits with both where the Brutes and many of the Covenant client races were, and also with Escharum (we hear that this isn't something the rest of the Banished were 100% on board with and it's possible that will shift in future conflicts with them.)

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Really a lot comes down to what Atriox actually believes, which is something we don't actually know that much aboutā€”we hear a lot about Atriox from other people, and we hear lots of Atriox's speeches, but comparatively little can give us insight into his state of mind, especially in the end cutscene.

humble yacht
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That atriox is vengeful

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He was pissed Cortana blew up his planet and wants to get back at her, but he canā€™t do that directly so heā€™ll do it indirectly by targeting what she cares about

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And what she ultimately wanted was peace

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Albeit a forced peace

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So atriox will make war, using the Endless somehow

versed helm
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so jun wore very little armor on his shoulders. did this make him more vulnerable in combat?

unique rune
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Probably not to any significant degree. Especially considering he's supposed to be a sniper.

versed helm
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but if he were to be on the field would he be susceptible to more damage?

unique rune
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Probably only marginally.

wide spear
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is arby coming back?

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or he's gone for good?

unique rune
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We don't know at this point

versed helm
wide spear
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halo 5 dlc or something

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with kelly

unique rune
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It was concept art.

wide spear
unique rune
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Not necessarily indicative of anything canon.

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Some of the ideas from it might come back at some point but no one outside of 343 would know what the deal with the Arbiter and the Swords of Sanghelios is at the moment.

terse lava
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They can't kill off Thel...he's the only good thing left

untold wasp
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he is a very popular character

humble yacht
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Lol they arenā€™t gonna lose half of all players

plain path
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Arbiter has barely been in the games since 3. He appeared in 5 but that was more of an extended cameo than anything

untold wasp
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i know that it was a uhhh what was that word

humble yacht
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A lie?

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A fib?

fast falcon
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Exaggeration?

untold wasp
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that was the word

humble yacht
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Telling porkies?

plain path
sullen grotto
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hyperbole?

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oh wait exaggeration already

humble yacht
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In a way, hyperbole/exaggeration is a form of lie

untold wasp
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i guess

terse lava
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Yeah wouldn't be half, but it would tick off a great many

digital parrot
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Well i know something is gonna happen with the arbiter soon

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The 343 staff wouldnt have the name "playing Co OP with the arbiter" for nothing tsk tsk

humble yacht
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That person isnā€™t 343 staff

digital parrot
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Or moderator sorry

humble yacht
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@dusk dove hey Paul, they think youā€™re 343, lol

digital parrot
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Thats something a person in 343 would wanna say

unique rune
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That just means Karl got stuck as player 2 for Halo 3 co-op

digital parrot
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OH LOL

humble yacht
dusk dove
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I'm disappointed it took this long for someone to say something

digital parrot
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I noticed it a bit ago

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But just stayed quiet

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Didnt know if it was a hint or not

dusk dove
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No

humble yacht
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Nah, KA Five is just trolololing

fast falcon
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Would be kinda funny tho if the coop players ended up being characters who made no sense to be there

digital parrot
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Thats what I was thinking

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Like arbiter in coop infinite is none canon lol

fast falcon
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Like we just see Chief backed up by Thel, 6, and Keyes and no one mentions it

humble yacht
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Would be more annoying than funny

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Leave that crap to the modders, lol

plain path
fast falcon
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6

dusk dove
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Get to it, Modders

terse lava
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Really wish 343 had shown HW some proper love after making it a definitive edition

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Has much more life in the maps compared to hw2

crude heron
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Man, I can't believe Infinite stole the idea of Cylixes from the Non-Canon Halo Legends !

terse lava
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Uh....ok?

wide spear
tacit charm
acoustic aspen
terse lava
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Blame the schism and Miranda. I almost wonder if she would be court marshaled for that

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Leaving a slipspace capable vessel above a flood infection zone

idle lintel
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it was war

mental plover
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The Covenant had already found Earth.

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Cole Protocol would be invalid.

unique rune
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The Covenant wasnā€™t the important part

acoustic aspen
terse lava
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Not that stuff, but leaving IAC to get captured by the flood, and thus causing further problems

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@acoustic aspen yeah, but they could have done what tjr Covenant wisely did and use only dropships

acoustic aspen
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They deployed their marine compliment and left the crew aboard to keep the ship running properly. they didn't just abandon it. the crew got infected, how we don't know... it's a damn airtight space ship.

mental plover
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Pelicans would have brought it in.

terse lava
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I know it wasn't abandoned, never said it was

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But they could have moved it

mental plover
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That still wouldnā€™t fix the problem.

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The UNSC has little understanding of the FSC (Flood Super Cell) and the crew of the In Amber Clad didnā€™t anticipate it to be airborne.

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Pelicans that deployed Marines deep in the Quarantine Zone and hovered around in said Zone would be coated in the stuff. The loading bays as well would have been filled with weird green specs that the pilots and marines would be breathing in.

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Strangely, this wasnā€™t represented in the short-comic film The Mona Lisa.

terse lava
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I figure they were at least somewhat aware of the flood, as Miradna does request all the data on alpha halo from Cortana

mental plover
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Yes, but they had not anticipated an airborne strain.

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I donā€™t think they were prepared for it either.

hushed laurel
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Tfw spartan helmet is the only thing that can block coronavirus

mental plover
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HAZOP my beloved.

hushed laurel
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Blessed

sour thistle
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We should I understand make Spartans in realife and say no one died

tacit charm
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what

wispy prawn
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Any one excited for the TV show?

tacit charm
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no

ebon coyote
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IRL Spartans?? dude the government has been trying since like the 1940s bro

tacit charm
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honestly the only thing im exited for is seeing high charity and that's it

wispy prawn
tacit charm
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even then, high charity has a krap design so ye...

tacit charm
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*canon

wispy prawn
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My bad autocorrect

ebon coyote
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i wanan see teh different ships...the PoA, Forward Unto Dawn, In Amber Clad...

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I WANT SPACE COMBAT!

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and if they make it like TNG space combat where all someone does is throw a photon torpedo here or there imma be EXTREMELY salty

wispy prawn
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It would be amazing if we were able to see the keys loop

ebon coyote
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yeah that would be cool

wispy prawn
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Or the battle after that

ebon coyote
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like really intricate space battles...not where the weapons officer LONGS for combat then gets his keister kicked at every turn

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oh wait wrong TV series

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#RIPltworf

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the needless posturing too...you got a perty mouth bruh...let the weapons do the talking LETS GO

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i would just like to stress that i HATE violence BUT i also believe it absolutely has it place and its uses lol

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a double edged sword if you will

gusty star
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šŸ”

versed helm
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Hey do you think that serina if he would survived to halo wars 2 would accepted Cortanaā€™s offer?

glacial oracle
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I was keen for the Halo TV show ages ago but when the leaks got released of the changes they made any hope was thoroughly crushed.

sullen grotto
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im still interested in it

gusty star
tepid jetty
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Mehcele Obama is a man

ebon coyote
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...old news not fake news lmao

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i would say no

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only because look at Roland...he heard the same message and decided against it...the Infinity was his home and her crews were his family

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i would say the same applied to Serina as well

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hell look at Rooker...he was devoted to the Argent Moon even though she was clearly a ghost ship...and even initiated final dispensation because he was losing himself and rather risk the argent moon he stepped into the forever box

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i would use governor sloan as a counter argument but that was pre ultimatum...so im not entirely sure

tepid jetty
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what does that have to do with obama

ebon coyote
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what does Obama have to do with Halo??

tepid jetty
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everything

ebon coyote
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then i offer you that same response to your query good sir

tepid jetty
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you spelled touche wrong

ebon coyote
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fair enough

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lmao

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well played

tepid jetty
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You played well yourself

ebon coyote
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thank you kindly

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šŸ¤

tepid jetty
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of course, of course

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Good evening kind sir

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I wish you the best

ebon coyote
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i thank you sir may your day be just as kind and fruitful

tacit charm
ebon coyote
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ahhh i see you too are a man of culture??

versed helm
errant tendon
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Is Chief the last spartan in Infinite?

versed helm
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chief is the last good spartan

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spartan two

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he is one of the last

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but the civilians im pretty sure just summarize him asthe last spartan during the human covenant war and he still holds that title i think

long meteor
#

Anyone else find it weird that in the Halo universe ODSTs fall under NSW instead of MARSOC?

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For S-117 it makes since that he would be NSW since he is a Sailor, but the ODSTs are Marines so shouldn't they be MARSOC?

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Also just found out that S-117 skipped chief and senior chief, got bumped up three paygrades from petty officer first class when he was promoted to masterchief

thin yew
thin yew
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The games didn't bring them up until Halo 5, but they were still doing stuff on Earth and elsewhere.

smoky meteor
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what do you guys think happened to Voridus after awakening the nightmare

errant tendon
thin yew
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The whole idea during the game's development was that that is your Spartan, part of a new lot getting trained up.

quick slate
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Is the paramount series gonna be canon?

acoustic aspen
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alternate timeline being called silver canon

quick slate
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good i dont wanna buy a subscription im only going to watch one thing on

tacit charm
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hot take, halo's power scaling is actually pathetic change my mindtashi

smoky meteor
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wdym by that

tacit charm
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in terms of sheer destructive capability, energy output, scaling etc halo is kinda pathetic, (outside of a few ambiguous exceptions) this series has somehow been high balled by so many halo fans to be more powerful than it actually is

gusty star
tacit charm
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ye he is

versed helm
gusty star
shut steppe
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The lore is so dang cool in the universe

shut steppe
tacit charm
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you thought wrongpostums

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*presents one time lord and halo is utterly screwed

fast falcon
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Yeah lol, Halo can do some big stuff but it really doesnā€™t hit the scale of some other series like Warhammer

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Marvel and DC are leagues above it too in ways

urban locust
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So wait, spark uses a promethian armanger, can he teleport like a soldier?

humble yacht
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Maybe

urban locust
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And to second that, why do soldiers ever drive warthogs, they can teleport? Is it just bad game design?

fast falcon
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Why do you drive a car or ride a bike when you can just run everywhere?

urban locust
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Teleporting is faster

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Tho

fast falcon
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A warthog has bonuses, like not needing to waste energy teleporting, cover, a massive hunk of steel you can use to run over a Spartan, a massive chain gun

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Teleporting isnā€™t that much faster if they only have a set range they can jump to also

urban locust
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Just teleport spam

fast falcon
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Not if it wastes energy or they have to recharge after using it enough, which Tbf it would be dumb for the Forerunners elite troops to do that, but for now we donā€™t know exactly how they work

urban locust
near tide
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Although I see halo scaling as an equal to Star Wars

fair hazel
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Um. Forerunners are powerful

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And halo kinda more powerful than lots of stuff in Star Wars

urban locust
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Like

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Do the rings affect the whole universe