lore-and-universe

[idle lintel]

and the super redacter 13th Halo

[fast falcon]

Yeah. Installation 07 was part of the greater array as well, each ring being like three times the diameter of the ones in the games

[idle lintel]

i had enough fantasy bs worlds:/

reality is not bad:(

[spark valley]

Yes I knew that, thats what makes Zeta so unique

[idle lintel]

there can be good real things in life to care about

installation 00 is a cool channel if you like Halo lore

[near tide]

Which war?

Human covenant?

[fast falcon]

Yeah

[idle lintel]

💩

the war of sh!#

[spark valley]

alright dude

[grave pollen]

Invite pls

[idle lintel]

its sad for humanity in Halo lore kinda

[spark valley]

its a youtube channel iirc

[idle lintel]

discovering we are not alone but realizing they want us all dead

[grave pollen]

Ah thanks

[idle lintel]

and they do really planet by planet

[spark valley]

not a good time

[idle lintel]

and humanity all alone

in that situation

only its own army and its own people that can help. against way more advanced multiple civilization combined into one

[spark valley]

hey we werent alone
the space zombies were there too

[idle lintel]

depressing

yeah and then the space zombies. sinfe the flood is more Godlike really if you think about it

calling the flood zombie is not really fitting

[spark valley]

I mean they infect living biomass, they kinda are zombies

[idle lintel]

dont dwell into the lore too much... its really exhausting

[spark valley]

Dude, I have been addicted to it for years

[idle lintel]

yeah but zombies dont really absorb the minds of bio life

or mechanical sinfe they can do that too

souls literaly

and the flood this way revives an ancient mind augmenting itself with more knowledge from civilizations

[fast falcon]

The flood actually do absorb the minds and memories of those it consumes

[idle lintel]

yes they take everything

who knows at what extend expecially with thise neuro field stuffs

and than no more reincarnation

or existence

even if there is an after life... obviously

reincarnation is a thing in Halo lore

[spark valley]

what?

[idle lintel]

Some lore points towards that the chief is the reincarnation of the forerunner who activated the rings once before and thats why 343 guilty spark mentions such weird stuff in Halo ce when cortana stops Him from doing it

and Chief is a guardian in destiny

there is an easter egg

[near tide]

Chief isn’t a reincarnation

Spark just calls him a reclaimer

Which is what humans are

[spark valley]

I think he is referring to the genesong or whatever it was called?

[idle lintel]

well there are videos about this made by serious fans and well

its kinda sounds cool i just mentioned

[gilded mason]

HaloFollower should never be listened to

[idle lintel]

especially if the flood really worse in every way possible

[gilded mason]

Some lore points towards that the chief is the reincarnation of the forerunner
Anyway, it's impossible, since Bornstellar went to live on an isolated world with his wife to live out the rest of his life. No chance for him to get his essence sucked up.

[exotic panther]

Hey guys has anyone played fireteam Raven as I have some questions

My friend and I plan to go play it locally soon, it’s £1 a swipe and just trying to figure out how much a play through would cost.

[obsidian thistle]

Honestly based on what I heard. It really depends how good you are at that sorta games.

[idle lintel]

wow that sounds cool

its rare to have it like that even in fantasy lores

wife and living life wow

its good for those who have that in reality.

[craggy sierra]

I mean that's basically how the Witcher books go.

[lucid spruce]

halo cannon (the youtuber) good?

[tacit charm]

yes

[lucid spruce]

is the pegasus galaxy ever mentioned in lore?

[terse lava]

No, but the the SMC, a dwarf galaxy outside the milky way plays a role in Silentium

[idle lintel]

yeah cool books

[vestal mountain]

So i havent played halo wars 2 yet

so was Zeta halo destroyed

In halo wars 2?

[unique rune]

No. Zeta Halo isn’t even in HW2.

[hearty peak]

The Ark is in HW2, it wasn't destroyed in Halo 3 but damaged significantly

Zeta Halo was only teased in Halo 5 and did not appear fully until Infinite

[vestal mountain]

Ohh okay

[terse lava]

Its only other appearance was in the Forerunner trilogy of books

[vestal mountain]

The halo ring in HW2 was Installation 9 right

[terse lava]

Yes

A replacement for the replacement of 04

[vestal mountain]

yeah okay

So they basically planned to like ride Installation 09 near reach then send a distress signal

but cortana intercepted the ring

right?

[terse lava]

That was Ander's plan, to send an SOS out when the ring arrived in the Threshold system, where unknown to her, would have been a Sangheili and human fleet guarding alpha halo's remains

Correct, one of her guardians stopped the ring before it could reach Threshold

[vestal mountain]

Oh okay

wait and what happened to blue team after Halo 5's ending

[terse lava]

Sent off to another mission

[hearty peak]

I remember there was concept art for Kelly and Arbiter recently

For Halo Infinite

With citizens

[opal gazelle]

it looked a lot like "what halo 6 would have been" before 343 decided to soft reboot.
Concept art looks cool but it was probably the right move

[versed helm]

Hey anything knew with odst’s

Guess not

[hearty peak]

They are probably somewhere on the Ring

I hope Buck is still alive

[versed helm]

Knowing him probably

[opal gazelle]

All of the halo 5 characters are in story jail and will only be released on 343's convenience

[versed helm]

That kinda sucks on the story’s behalf

[vestal mountain]

Buck is such a good character i love him

[versed helm]

Yeah

[vestal mountain]

hopefully in a dlc

[opal gazelle]

eh. It sucks for halo 5's story but I think infinite will benefit from not trying too much at once.

[versed helm]

Odst’s to me are the real hero’s of the unsc because what kind of guy averagely drops from space to kill something

[versed helm]

Yeah I haven’t played it yet but I never want to see a story with to much

[versed helm]

I can see it now

What would happen if a odst drop pod crashed in the water like an ocean or something

[opal gazelle]

id imagine theyd drown and that theres probably enough safeguards to prevent that from happening in the first place

[versed helm]

Yeah that would suck for the poor guy inside

[hearty peak]

Spirit of Fire should appear in DLC

I hope

[versed helm]

Ye

Idk if the flood is in infinite but I want to hopefully see one last grave mind

[vestal mountain]

The thingy's most likely sealed

cause like it falls a bit through space

and the guy doesnt get sucked out

[opal gazelle]

ODST's story is weird, not in a bad way. I'm not really sure if its meant to compliment Halo 3 or stand on its own.

[versed helm]

Yeh but they would run out of food water or air

[vestal mountain]

its supposed to be stand alone

its just showing the aftermath of Halo 2

but from earths perspective

[versed helm]

I honestly think it does way better on its own but I love how it makes you feel weak let’s me show my true power

[vestal mountain]

Hopefully you can control it in water

[vestal mountain]

Ikk, like you dont have sheilds or anything i

Im so used to like 2 shotting brutes with my arm then when i played ODST

I stopped meleeing

[versed helm]

Yeh

[opal gazelle]

Its more than that. It provides more context into the events of halo 3's first half and, more interestingly, is a retelling of Dante's Inferno.
With old halo's emphasis on chief as a Christ figure I wonder if odst is meant to contrast that

[versed helm]

I find that if you just blitz the fig with a plan and no one gets in the way things go well… interesting

[vestal mountain]

Chief is still like a "Savior" Figure for all of the humans, I don't really think ODST was meant to contrast that, it was just meant to show you how underpowered normal humans are compared to spartans + going into the halo 2 lore more deeply

cause we didn't really have any stories from earths perspective

[opal gazelle]

but then why invoke Dante's Inferno? Whats the point if its just wordbuilding?

[vestal mountain]

I'm not really sure tbh

But thats just what i think

[versed helm]

To me odst shows us how powerful the enemy is and how a world can change fast, it shows how people think and their actions, but ultimately shows how awesome it is to blow up a giant building

[vestal mountain]

yeah like from a normal humans perspective

the grunts are as tall as you

or just a bit shorter

brutes tower over your head

[versed helm]

Yeah instead of some crazy (sorry for the next part) drugged orphan with a gun

[vestal mountain]

Lmaooo

[versed helm]

And hunters are horrible

[opal gazelle]

Halo 3's plot was messy but one constant it did get right was compelting Chiefs arc as a Christ figure, sacrificing himself to save humanity, with the promise that he will return someday.
With that metaphor in mind, ODST is a depiction of hell. It is meant to show what we were salvaged from exactly. Sure it shows a human perspective, but thats just part of the overarching idea that this would be humanities fate.

[versed helm]

That is overly true in a eerie way

If you think about it, it is the odst’s fault with the whole elevator thing

If oni never built it for the odst and unsc then nothing would have collapsed onto the city

[vestal mountain]

Hm yeah, like if the spartan 2 program failed humanity would be doomed

[versed helm]

Yeah or if they never went to space

[hearty peak]

ODST is more like a bridge between Halo 2 and 3

[versed helm]

Maybe that’s it purpose

Just a simple bridge

[vestal mountain]

yeah most likely

[opal gazelle]

I think the biggest issue with odst is that Halo Reach did a better job of depicting what chief is saving us from, while standing on its own.
Reach has its own themes and ideas, meanwhile without Halo 3, odst is just depicting hell for the sake of depicting hell.

[vestal mountain]

just to show what happened

[versed helm]

I hate how Eliot died tho

[vestal mountain]

Halo 3 odst is meant to like build off from halo 2/3, reach is more of a standalone title since its a spinoff and happens before the events of halo

[versed helm]

I love the lone wolf mission tho just slaying until you find your fate

[vestal mountain]

yes

and i love the ending

[versed helm]

Ye

[vestal mountain]

not the dying part

[opal gazelle]

theres a ton of places they could build a "bridge" and we see the aftermath of new mombassa in Halo 3.

[vestal mountain]

but the part where he tries to kill as many elites

before he dies

[versed helm]

Yeah

[vestal mountain]

Cause he knew his fate after he let the Pillar of autumn go without him

[versed helm]

The energy you feel as you watch

[vestal mountain]

his main concern was to do as much damage as possible to the covenant

[vestal mountain]

When he throws his helmet off

the only parts where his helmet was off was at the start and end of the game

[versed helm]

Yeah but it’s pointless the covenant should have allied him instantly they were all going to die

[opal gazelle]

Noble 6 is a blank slate. What his main concern was is generally up to the player. When I played that mission it really was just "survive"

[versed helm]

To me it was kill and kill and kill

If noble 6 and rookie were somehow the same it would be the ultimate match up

I just wish noble 6 lived I guess

[opal gazelle]

nah man he's still in that cave with Sargent Johnson

[versed helm]

Lol

Hey Spartans can take a hit but definitely not a planet being glassed

They should have never sent Spartans to deal with farmers complaints

[glacial oracle]

Well Farmers had nothing to do with Noble Team being deployed. It was all about da communication relays

[versed helm]

Well i guess it sucks to be a farmer on that day huh

[glacial oracle]

Acceptable casualties

[versed helm]

Lol

[glacial oracle]

Yeet grenades into the hut when you meet them

[versed helm]

Yep

Drive a truck into the door and say hello

I don’t get why in halo 2 chief needs a drop pod when he has armor lock

[hearty peak]

Style comes first

[versed helm]

I guess

I took all the odst’s and made sure they all survived the whole mission

I also glitched a ghost to the end of it

So yeah odst’s coffin danced a ghost to the end of the mission

Gtg guys, remember reach, keep the fire on whatever it may be, and please make sure the odst live, and that they don’t go crazy and fire the halo rings

[versed helm]

... because its still pretty deadly for Spartans to fall from space/is a completely unnecessary risk for him/could probably gets lost or lose control in the air?

Guess what, you can steer a drop pod and its shock absorbent
magic

(Also nothing is stopping a random covie from just blowing his brains out when hes on the floor)

[hearty peak]

Noble Six survived

He fell down from space and had no damage taken

[versed helm]

Doesn't mean it can't be deadly.
At the start of 3 Chief vitals were pretty much dead/was in the same position for hours

Imagine if he did the same thing as Zombie said and just dropped to the floor infront of a few hundred covies instead of using a drop pod lol, wouldn't go great.

Jumping from space is defiantly a last resort lol

[fleet oriole]

He did take damage, but he was able to shrug it off on a quick hike to the nearest city. Possible? Probably. Practical? Definitely not.

[craggy roost]

Master chief is too chad for damage

[loud fjord]

Bruh you literally start the next mission damaged and had an orbital reentry pack.

Dude was limping and had nine days of hoofing it to get to the next mission

[untold wasp]

how would rtas look like under the elite changes in h4 and 5

[agile zodiac]

Isn't there a thing about some Spartan 3's having regeneratory augments.

[humble yacht]

No

The gammas have extra augments that flood them with adrenaline the more damage they take

[agile zodiac]

I assume gammas refers to the 3's?

[fast falcon]

Yeah, Gamma company was one of the companies of IIIs that were developed

[stuck star]

Noble 6 had a Re-Entry Kit when he fell from space.

[agile zodiac]

I personally think all spartans should have re-entry kits. Like always having a parachute in case you need it.

We all saw what happened to Chief when he booked in the beginning of Halo 3.

[fast falcon]

Typically if they can they’d likely take one

Spartans often take lots of gear and don’t always end up in a situation that may need one, and John has a tendency to end up on some long and wild missions

Like the last place he would’ve been able to get a re-entry kit before his drop in H3 would’ve been near the start of H2 when he’s on the In Amber Clad

[humble yacht]

Sadie’s Story

Audio logs detailing the account of Sadie, the daughter of the man who invented the Superintendent AI in New Mombasa, and subsequently discovered that something was beneath the city (revealed in Halo 3 to be the Ark portal)

[last anchor]

Thats what it is.

The Super's left audio logs detailing what happened to Sadie across the city in various terminals and things

[last anchor]

If I remember right MK VII has semi-osmosis energy shields (like Halsey originally wanted it to have) to let the Spartan decend without need of a pack.

[agile zodiac]

Semi-osmosis?

[last anchor]

The energy shielding can be shaped like an ameboid to a certan extent, to create a drag airfoil.

Air can pass through it though so it doesnt completely flatten the Spartan.

Basically it can use its energy shield as a drag-chute instead of needing to have an entire external kit on board.

Also I dont think the manouvering thrusters Osiris used in their GEN 2 from Halo 5 were omitted.

As Yolo mentioned about Locke using them for controlled decent

[agile zodiac]

Yous talking lore I am not familiar with lol

[versed helm]

What happened to Locke after halo 5? Doesn’t he not appear in halo infinite (I haven’t played halo 5 or infinite so I’m curious)

[humble yacht]

We don’t know

He was sent on a mission and seemingly was attacked by Spartan Killers. His ultimate fate is unknown. There are conflicting reports about whether Hyperius actually mentions Locke by name during the fight with him

[versed helm]

how did at most roughly 700-1200 marines/navy personnel survive against the entire banished invasion force for 6 months

even if they had all those Spartans theres like 500 brutes for every marine

[sullen grotto]

guerilla warfare and hiding

also the brutes would only be decreasing in manpower because the ring jumped to a random place in slipspace basically preventing reinforcements from outside of the ring from coming

[versed helm]

ok but the marines also have no reinforcements

and theres far less of them

gurerllia warfare tatics require a ability to sustain losses

[sullen grotto]

i mean we only see like maybe 100ish through the entire game

so like

also a large chunk of unsc forces were killed before the 6 month mark when chief was found (the reverie)

[versed helm]

the marines also arent prepared for a invasion while the banished brought enough to take over the entire ring

[sullen grotto]

they arent directly attacking them all the time

[versed helm]

your trying to tell me a army lead by brutes wont be agressive????

Didn't the banished manage to destroy the UNSC Infinity?

[sullen grotto]

well they also are dumb and theres a lot of infighting for power below escharum

[versed helm]

the brutes could literally drop all there weapons and run at the marines unarmored with there fists and still win

[sullen grotto]

idek what you're trying to argue at this point

[versed helm]

and atroix was incharge for a decent amount of time after the infinity was gone since we hear that he died very recently when we storm that ship

[sullen grotto]

so you're saying that every single marine should be dead? or like what

[sullen grotto]

i agree

[versed helm]

Uh Banished ain't fighting for a power vacuum, they are also not dumb, and the Banished can know their location via space coordinates and location systems.

And Infinity was directly attacked by certain purposes.

We just lack that information.

what is cutter doing bro

[sullen grotto]

i mean didnt the weapon or something say there's alot of competition in the ranks 😭

[versed helm]

Also this is Escharum's Banished, not Atriox's.

Uh yeah.

[sullen grotto]

they're only unification was escharum

their

[versed helm]

But that doesn't mean fighting.

[sullen grotto]

well yeah

[versed helm]

the weapon is a dumb source of information

[sullen grotto]

the weapon is amazing

[versed helm]

And they likely have a list of those to replace him.

The Banished ain't in time for a civil war.

[versed helm]

she spends 50% of the game going back and forth between wanting to be deleated and screaming to not be deleted

They're intelligent, deadly, and not exactly silent.

[sullen grotto]

over exaggeration

[versed helm]

I believe there were more marines, and Banished don't know the location of all of them.

[sullen grotto]

and theres a whole 90 percent of the ring we havent gone to

[versed helm]

There's indications of battles thanks to destroyed vehicles and marks, meaning the Banished had many conflicts against armed UNSC.

Just how we see multiple destroyed hogs and scorpions, plus the dozens of these grabbed by the Banished and sent to production factories.

[sullen grotto]

and the captured marines :(

[versed helm]

Meaning that a lot of vehicles survived the crash.

And meaning that a lot of people arrived into the crash site of the Infinity.

The frigates might had a few after the crash.

So yeah the marines were highly armed.

Utilizing guerilla warfare to fight the more organized and direct Banished troops.

It's just how 8 scientists from the laboratory at the Ark survived from the Banished a total of 3 months.

They ran the longest they could, rest, collect supplies, organize watch groups, etc. And all for some scientists.

Now marines with training, weapons, resources and vehicles?

Well yeah, I guess small groups of marines can easily survive if 8 scientists survived during 3 months.

[sullen grotto]

the ones on the ark

i think that had isabel

i forgot tho

[versed helm]

Yes.

The ones at the Ark.

Afterall the brutes love the smell to green.

[versed helm]

In “Hunters in the Dark”, would Evan Phillips have been a better fit for the mission than Olympia Vale?

[gilded mason]

No

[agile zodiac]

Yeah but that's because Cutter and his soldiers were ripping Atriox a new one.

Atriox had everything to gain from that interaction.

[tepid folio]

The banished are the good guys now I guess

[versed helm]

Here is my question. Why is Lucy B091 so short?

[fast falcon]

How tall is she exactly?

[unique rune]

Only official height we've ever gotten is that she was 5'3" at age 12.

In Last Light apparently it's noted that B091 (who'd be about 20 years old at the time) is only a little taller than Veta Lopis.

She's just kinda on the shorter end and there's never been a specific reason for it.

[gusty star]

Girls just be shorter

[idle lintel]

fun fact its better if a spartan is smaller

it would be more beneficial actually for a super soldier

[unique rune]

Not even that necessarily, B091's just oddly short for a Spartan.

[idle lintel]

its better even for cqb combat

more resource and energy and combat effective

[fast falcon]

Ngl I find a badass Spartan super soldier who can fight off hundreds easily who’s also a really short girl to be kinda cute

[last anchor]

Lucy deserves to be unique.

Is why Im kinda mad Traviss took away her combat muteness. And Legacy of Onyx made it completely gone.
I would have prefered if she took longer to get everything back and still spoke via hand signals sometimes

[fast falcon]

Yeah didn’t Traviss make her break her muteness to be angry at Halsey of all things or am I mistaken?

[cobalt quiver]

How are relations among Elites and Brutes in the Banished? Especially considering the great schism

[fast falcon]

It probably depends on which leaders they serve directly under, some probably not wanting to mix their units and some likely welcoming whoever

I’d imagine there’s still a level of dislike and mistrust though among them

[grave pollen]

Is Spartan Locke modelled after an actor? He looks familiar

[untold wasp]

pretty sure everyone in osiris were

[cosmic zinc]

Mike Colter. He played Luke Cage in the netflix series.

[grave pollen]

Ahh yes thanks

[cosmic zinc]

but yeah all of osiris is modeled after actors

[untold wasp]

like nathon fillian

who is the only one i know

[zinc coyote]

Nathon Fillian was a good voice actor for Buck and T.D.K from Suicide Squad

[fast falcon]

Nathan Fillion is just a spectacular actor in general

[grave pollen]

Oh yeah he was very recognisable

[warm fable]

why did i think TDK stood for the donkey kong for a second

[grave pollen]

It does

[zinc coyote]

Lmao

[warm fable]

id love to see donkey kong throw some randon criminal

[noble panther]

I just wanna throw a grunt like a brute @warm fable as MC

[split heron]

chicken

[latent acorn]

Don’t we all want to see that

[split glacier]

Howdy y’all

[terse lava]

Evening

[agile zodiac]

I was out looking at the dudes in Halo Wars 2 again.

Jerome-092 was 19 during Halo Wars 1?

Then went into the freezer for 28 years to wake up in Halo Wars 2?

[untold wasp]

i am pretty sure most spartan IIs when they were first deployed they were around that age

[agile zodiac]

Yeah but

Chief is like a 50 year old.

Despite the on n' off cyrosleep he's had.

[untold wasp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[agile zodiac]

Chief is the Boomer to Jerome's Zoomer.

Despite them being from the same class.

I hope we get an Infinite DLC about the Spirit of Fire, with Cutter, Jerome and Isabelle.

[versed helm]

Halo dies in the 3rd one, and the tall alien boys and humans live happily ever after.

[wind crest]

I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aliens and doesn’t afraid of anything.

[warm fable]

same

[nocturne cedar]

A L L U N I T S

vulture goes brrr

[carmine moss]

@versed helm why? and how?

[gilded mason]

You know the Flood did that on purpose, right?

The Flood made it seem like humanity figured out how to beat them to give the Forerunners hope and then crush it

Also this:

“But most humans are immune,” the Didact said. Then he seemed to understand, and lowered his great head between his shoulders like a bull about to charge. “Can the Flood choose to infect, or not to infect?”

The wide, flat head canted to one side, as if savoring some demonic irony.

“No immunity. Judgment. Timing.”

[tacit charm]

they're dumb to an extent but not for that reason

the forerunners can travel

very far

so far to the point of being able to travel (oh no somewhat controversial answer even though when you look at it not really) other universes

yet they chose to stay in one galaxy

smart

[carmine moss]

flood can travel very far as well

[tacit charm]

they're heavily implied to be

or 343 could potentially just forget about those little implications and therefore make the flood very smooth brain

[tacit charm]

also they did this during their glory days before the whole flood thing so they really did have time and resources to colonise other realities or at least a few galaxies

[sullen grotto]

it almost got to the intergalactic stage but was stopped by the halos apparently

[tacit charm]

ye

it was

but there's also the gravemind line and the 10,000 years of flood left basically unaccounted for

[glacial oracle]

I wonder how this would work however. I mean, the Flood has other galaxies but never decided to yeet themselves back into the mIlky way after the Forerunners perished or after the firing of the Array? It certainly wants to capture it per their motives and how they acted in cannon

[agile zodiac]

Lol I literally talked about that earlier.

[agile zodiac]

There is actually a whole set of lore added with Halo Wars 2 Awakening the Nightmare that covers this.

[main crown]

The Flood has a whole Universe to colonize, the Milkyways only one Galaxy, it might not be immediately beneficial to recapture

[autumn shale]

So a nova bomb is basically nuclear bombs inside a bigger nuclear bomb?

[agile zodiac]

@glacial oracle https://youtu.be/zo3ZmK3-mpU

[main crown]

Besides if those flood know about the Halos they may not want to enter the system until they fall for some reason

[agile zodiac]

In terms of Galaxy level flood forms n' stuff.

[main crown]

Question: Why doesn't the UNSC colonize the Halo rings?

[agile zodiac]

The other thing to remember is that both Forerunners and Precursors left the Galaxy. That the Forerunners left at all implies that they had contained the Flood to an extent.

[agile zodiac]

The Flood.

The Halos have the Flood on them.

[main crown]

Ah.

[agile zodiac]

And nobody wants to deal with that. And the Monitors.

The Monitors would be annoying.

[main crown]

Aren't the monitors allys until humans threaten the ring

[agile zodiac]

The Monitors can do whatever the heck they want.

[glacial oracle]

It makes sense from a tactical perspective. The flood has had thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years of preparation and time in which the Milky way was practically defenceless. While their can be other galaxies the Milkway is especially needed given its entire history and the only location with Forerunner technology (except for the few that fled).

The Milkway is the only location that has the weapons to destroy them so capturing it is absolutely important. As for the Halo's themselves the Flood would accurately know everything it needs about them from their temporary invasions in CE, 2 and 3.

[main crown]

If the Flood problem were sorted, the rings would be amazing places to safeguard humanity.

[glacial oracle]

As for the new Lore I will have to check that out

(cheers for link Pierre)

[main crown]

Am I right in thinking the rings don't destroy life that's on it?

[glacial oracle]

Best I can recall from HW2 about Flood lore is that 343 made mistakes.

[glacial oracle]

Negative, rings destroy life on them as well.

Except from appropriate shelters

[main crown]

Ah for some reason I thought the reason why halos were worlds was to safeguard life on them

Why ARE Halos world's then

Why the biomes

[agile zodiac]

Isn't it that the rings essentially destroy the nervous system? Which essentially ends up leaving most life as just biomass the Flood can utilize, but not really progress with?

[glacial oracle]

Well your half right. The Rings have Cylixs on them which do safeguard them technically

And the Halos are worlds because of the Conservation Measure from the Librarian

[agile zodiac]

Tbh it's very vague what the rings can actually do.

[glacial oracle]

The Rings can distinguish the difference between living and deceased biomass. All Living biomass are disintegrated while deceased remain

[main crown]

What's the purpose of a conservatory on a ring that destroys life ON it

[agile zodiac]

Do they just Thanos dust all life or destroy just the nervous system.

[glacial oracle]

Fun fact: The original halo rings from the lesser ark could not distinguish the difference.

Thanos dust for living biomass

[main crown]

The ones that can fire linearly right?

[agile zodiac]

I'm gonna go touch up on my lore.

[glacial oracle]

Because according to the deal that the Libarian made with the Master Builder the rings are designed to act as habitats for the species

[main crown]

Ok so life is held in cylixes and let out into world after firing

[glacial oracle]

Not quite. Those held within Cylixes were placed into Forerunner Drednaughts (the big ship powering high charity from H2) that proceeds to slipspace from the Halo Ring to the species homeworld which in turn released them soon after. We spot the Drednaught that Humanity was released from in Halo 3.

The in-depth reason that the Rings are habitable is because the Master Builder was against the Halo Rings because of the Forerunners responsibility to uphold the "Mantle". The Deal/compromise the Librarian made with the Master Builder was for them to build the Halo Rings but in order to still uphold the "Mantle" make it so Halos are not just weapons but Forerunner history/technology/information for new life and have them serve as Research facilities and temporary Habitats for everyone.

Also each Halo ring has a portal that leads to a Dyson sphere which is a safe location from the Halo Rings.

[main crown]

Ok so why doesn't humanity populate the Dyson sphere?

Probably no habitat there

Doesnt make sense why the Forerunners would make a safehouse and not use it

[glacial oracle]

To be completely honest I am unsure of how much Humanity knows about Dyson Spheres let alone their location and purpose.

We know that in Halo: Ghosts of Onyx members of Blue Team and some Spartan-III's discover one of these safe Dyson Spheres but it has little food. My own reasoning suggests that these shelters weren't supposed to be used long term but short temporary stays just to wait for the Rings to do their thing. Within the dyson Spheres you can monitor the Rings and get reports when they finished.

The reason that the Forerunners didn't use them is because they believed they failed their role of upholding the Mantle and surviving members left the galaxy.

[tacit charm]

@glacial oracle there's also this possibility too

[glacial oracle]

me who didn't read

[tacit charm]

also im replying to this

[glacial oracle]

Lit

[tired terrace]

They serve as the resource yard for the ring if it needed to repair itself

The ark has a literal planet at its center for raw materials if it needed them

[glacial oracle]

Or invade Earth for some

Heard they always keen

[tacit charm]

considering 343 hasnt even touched upon any of these implication in recent years and in lore there's the possibility that the whole flood force that yeeted a galaxy all fought and subsequently died in the ff war, ye, it's not outside the realms of possibility that the flood could have been smooth brain

[tacit charm]

dyson sphere? what dyson sphere

(also im jk if you didnt get the tone)

not to mention

that line of flood yeeting galaxy is dubious at best since the gravemind/lord of admirals is more or less just trolling the librarian

[glacial oracle]

Mmm, it could be a issue of arrogance actually.

Lets place ourselves in the shoes of the Flood and the Gravemind during the concluding years of the FF war. We have...

• Mendicant Bias in control of the majority of the Forerunner military installations and warships.
• Locations of most Shield Worlds and Forerunner holdouts.
• Consumed majority of the galaxy and sentient creatures.
• Evolved to the point where we can control the fabric of the universe thanks to precursor science

Now with all of those things going for us we as the FLood are pretty damn confident and arrogant of our soon-to-be victory. I believe that the Flood could have jumped galaxies in this time where our power is at its height but opted not to.

Leaving the galaxy would mean leaving the Forerunners which (from our perspective) was on the brink of death. The Halos and their firing was a unexpected result and suddenly ripped out victory from our little tentacles. I believe there isn't any flood in any other galaxy simply because the Flood got arrogant and assumed they would win and decided to put it on hold.

[tacit charm]

i mean arrogance is an excuse, not a justification like that's still not a smart move (unless there's no life in other galaxies cause well no life or the precursors destroyed them, if the latter is the case wow great planning lol)

[celest token]

||Because it's a vaccum /j||

[glacial oracle]

Well it could be a smart move. As smart as the Gravemind was im sure it had absolutely no idea what awaited it in other galaxies. Whenever they came across more advanced races or even Precursors. Its better to capture its own galaxy and stabilise its strength before attempting to take over another with unlimited risk.

[tired terrace]

The intergalactic stage only theoretically happens if all sentient life in the galaxy has been infected

[tacit charm]

also cant really blame them for being a bit arrogant at the end cause star roads and all, still not a smart move for literally sending zero flood force in case you use

[celest token]

That's the best joke that has existed for a few light years

[glacial oracle]

I appreciate the fact you appreciate your own joke

[celest token]

Oh come on

Does noone get it?

[glacial oracle]

ngl it was good

[celest token]

Ahah

[glacial oracle]

[tacit charm]

with what lore we have, star roads are virtually indestructible so threat level is kinda low when you're using super mario stars

[celest token]

[glacial oracle]

Well it would be bad if they yeeted into another galaxy and found the very race that created those star roads

[celest token]

[tacit charm]

maybe

[glacial oracle]

flood: dont mind me making a pitstop before the next galaxy
Precursor: hol up

[celest token]

Because it's a vaccum.

Sorry, had to

[glacial oracle]

Third times the charm maybe

[tacit charm]

though there's little to no (well really there's no evidence) to support that, ancient humans manipulating precursor structure to a degree is one thing, fully yeeting star roads in mario kart is another

[celest token]

What is this anything to do with mario kart?

[tacit charm]

star roads

💪 🥖

[celest token]

Yeah but why mario-

[glacial oracle]

Oh hol up im not speaking about ancient humanity im talking about Precursors

[celest token]

Why are you talking about mario kart

[glacial oracle]

why not

[celest token]

why yes

Yknow what

ur mom.

[tacit charm]

ye ik im just stating that a race being able use precursor stuff to degree doesnt mean any other race bar other precursor can use it or even know of its existent ( btw prec are heavily implied if not outrighted stated to have all died save for a few however those few would have died as well considering all that time)

[glacial oracle]

im not simply talking about any normal race im speaking about the Precursors themselves. While its true that the vast majority of Precursors in the Milky way galaxy perished for obvious reasons we don't know if there is other Precursors in other galaxies either tending to their own created galaxies or creating new ones.

The 'bad' thing that I was speaking about is the Flood escaping into a new galaxy only to find a new bunch of Precursors with life that decided to not yeet them out of existence.

Of course there is no evidence such life/Precursor is in other galaxies

merely theory

[tacit charm]

damn

was about to state that

:C typed too slow

[glacial oracle]

Hahaha sorry

We can only theory : (

[tacit charm]

but ye from what we have so far literally the entire precursor just parked at the milky way and got yeeted

now

dont ask me why every single precursor would stay in one galaxy

the universe told them to idk

[glacial oracle]

why it one

[tacit charm]

i dont like bootleg darth plageus

[glacial oracle]

"Did you ever hear the tragedy of the Precursors? I thought not. It’s not a story the Forerunners would tell you. It’s a Halo legend. The Precursors was trans-sentient beings so powerful and so wise they could use neural physics to influence reality to create life… They had such a knowledge of Reality that they could even keep the ones they cared about from dying. The Precursor science is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. They became so powerful… the only thing they was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, they did. Unfortunately, they taught their apprentice, the forerunners everything he knew, then their Forerunners killed him in their sleep. Ironic. They could save others from death, but not themselves."

[glacial oracle]

darn

[tacit charm]

there's only one tragedy period

[agile zodiac]

Rookie's death.

[humble yacht]

But they did save themselves from death

[brisk elm]

🥖

[brisk elm]

Kinda? Didn't they become galactic star dust that would eventually become flood

Like they weren't the same

They weren't really precursor, it'd be like a human turned flood, not quite human not quite alive

[last anchor]

The first Gravemind, basically

[wispy prawn]

Sooo I just read Halo:the fall of reach and dang it’s amazing. But which is cannon the book or the game. Halo: fall of reach spoilers ||Cause discovering the covies wasn’t by noble in the book, the big covenant ship wasn’t destroyed by Jorge in the book it was keys, and cortana wasn’t hastily delivered from Halsey to keys through six ||

[unique rune]

Both are canon

[wispy prawn]

How does that work?

[brisk elm]

Wait

Something isn't right here

[unique rune]

Don’t stare too hard at the close details and the majority of weird disparities between the novel and the game can be reconciled with all the retcons and minor tweaking that’s been done to make them work

[humble yacht]

Some precursors eventually became the flood. But more than that, precursor eggs were preserved in Bastion and were eventually sent off to another galaxy to hatch in a few millennia

[wispy prawn]

Ok thanks for your help. I just wondered if I was missing something

[brisk elm]

I like to think that they return and just its still just pain, and master chief is just there like "yeah, it went to hell while you were gone"

[humble yacht]

Master Chief doesn’t really know about the history of precursors

He doesn’t even know all the history of forerunners

[slim orchid]

ok

what?

[unique rune]

That sounds… too late for Alpha.

Nearly a decade too late, really.

Alpha Company was first deployed in combat in 2536.

You’d probably even be pushing it for a Beta Company member.

[versed helm]

The age was between 4 and 7.

If I remember well.

[unique rune]

Range generally fell between 4 and 6, though outliers like A259 at 12 years old did exist.

[versed helm]

Oh yeah.

[unique rune]

Training went on for about 4 years between 2532 and 2536.

[versed helm]

There's people who believe 2-3 years old were recruited too.

And I just laugh.

[unique rune]

Probably 2528.

[versed helm]

How did chief not break atrioxs jaw with his uppercut? Wtf

He was wearing Gen 3 armor and routinely punches banshees out of the sky

[humble yacht]

Brutes are hardy

[tacit charm]

atriox built differently or animation stopped working in tandem with the lore

[fast falcon]

I’m gonna go with brutes are hardy, but even then Atriox is just built different still

[obsidian thistle]

Brutes are essentially muscle houses. Imagine Wookiees but the ones who survived (who arnt children) have survived the worst and thus have built their bodies for war and combat.

Add that with Atriox being a cyborg himself based on the stuff we see on his model in Halo Wars 2.

[humble yacht]

I though his arm thing was a gauntlet, not a prosthetic

[gilded mason]

Yeah, pretty sure the Infinite ||post-credits scene makes it clear he has a flesh and blood hand underneath.||

[fathom glade]

master chief is a human

[versed helm]

Nah it’s a powered gauntlet

He still has his arm

[humble yacht]

Yea so what makes atriox a cyborg

Also remember to disable pings when replying

[gusty star]

A tender was recently released of Atriox clearly showing a normal hand underneath his gauntlet

[gilded mason]

mmm tender

[gusty star]

Render

My b

[gilded mason]

lol

[humble yacht]

I lost my render of a slender tender in a fender bender

[gilded mason]

Tragic

[finite laurel]

So what happenens when a un augmented person put on the Mjolnir?

[agile zodiac]

In today's age? Nothing.

In the old Mjolnir, they'd basically die.

[finite laurel]

But like Mk 4 Mjolnir?

Of

*oof

How?

[agile zodiac]

The armor was just overtuned.

[gilded mason]

It basically overreacts to their reflexes and that then causes a feedback loop

[agile zodiac]

It broke bones when you tried to move.

[finite laurel]

Bigger Oof

[agile zodiac]

I think Fall of Reach talks about it.

If you want to watch that.

[finite laurel]

Been planning to watch it

[agile zodiac]

I gotchu

[finite laurel]

…

[agile zodiac]

I believe in Halo 4-5 we get to see unaugmented people wearing Mjolnir armor. And in 5 we see Locke use just the armor to have that little face off with Chief.

I'm still betting that some newer Spartans still get augments.

[untold wasp]

pretty sure all spartans get some enhancements but let me double check

[agile zodiac]

There was that one thing in the Infinite Audio logs where one of the Spartans basically pulled a lifeboat out of a crevasse.

Full a marines mind ye.

[fast falcon]

Yeah all Spartans need augmentations to use MJOLNIR armour from what I remember

It’s just nowadays the augmentation procedure is a lot safer

[untold wasp]

spartan IV's have less physical augmentations but their armor is more advanced

[humble yacht]

Source? Where does it say that normal humans can use new Mjolnir models?

[humble yacht]

I’m pretty sure we don’t

[gilded mason]

^

[unique rune]

I’m almost willing to bet it’s because of the fan notion that S-IVs are “just cosplaying Marines”

[untold wasp]

what if chipps dubbo was a spartan II

[agile zodiac]

More likely he's an Orion boy

[humble yacht]

Sadly, I agree

Strike through

[agile zodiac]

I'll see if I can find it, but I think it was an old Hiddenxperia vid.

[humble yacht]

Uh oh

[fast falcon]

Ahh yes, only rope company do it well

[gilded mason]

Hiddenxperia vid.
hmm

[agile zodiac]

It basically said that Lockes armor carried his unaugmented body in his little tussle with chief.

[gilded mason]

Uh

Locke was augmented my dude

[agile zodiac]

If I remember correctly.

[gilded mason]

All SIVs are augmented

[humble yacht]

You either remember wrong or the source is wrong

[agile zodiac]

Yeah I think the wording was just weird.

[humble yacht]

SIVs are 100% augmented

It’s possible your “source” was being purposefully glib because of bias against SIVs

[fast falcon]

It’s more like his armour basically negates the advantages of Chief being built different outside of his armour compared to Locke

[agile zodiac]

Yeah, I don't remember what the hell it was, don't mind me.

Do you know if we can embed in this channel?

[humble yacht]

You might not be able to

[agile zodiac]

I just remember I saw this neat gif featuring a whole lot of the UNSC armors. (That might have been datamined from infinite, not sure)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/821676515099279374/932611133959979108/Peview.gif

Yeah doesn't look like it.

[untold wasp]

Looks like they are for odsts and marines imo

[agile zodiac]

I know it features some of the MP customization

I think one of the ODST has the clonely bear

I hope we get some more old school helmets in Infinite sometime.

Would love to see the H2A ODST helmet show up again after it reappeared in Halo Wars 2.

[humble yacht]

That’s probably just fan renders using infinite assets

[agile zodiac]

Most likely.

Still, they look pretty awesome.

[atomic crest]

out of armor S-II's are basically gods, where as S-IV's are demigods. the Gen-2 armor helped even the field between the two generations however. all generations of spartans are augemented, however the S-1 (Orion) and the S-III's are the least augmented due to the tech at the time or the speed in which they were made respectivly.

[unique rune]

the S-III's are the least augmented
uhhh no as far as known canon goes S-III augmentations are supposed to be just as effective as S-II

[atomic crest]

S-IV's are originally the best of the regular forces and were then brought into the spartan branch, but all the training they've had is considered trash to the spartans due to them having to learn all new tactics to deal with the armor and augmentations that give them new boosts.

[humble yacht]

S IVs are less augmented than IIIs

[unique rune]

but all the training they've had is considered trash to the spartans
...Er, what does this even mean?

[humble yacht]

Common misconception that IIIs augments were lesser or less effective due to how IIIs are described as expendible

[atomic crest]

the III's had a decent amount but the quality wasn't as good because halsey wasn't involved, she would have gone all "John Hammond" on them and then made them the same quality of the II's

[humble yacht]

That’s false

Lol

[atomic crest]

the guy in charge kinda went the standard military route

[humble yacht]

The augments on the IIIs represented significant improvement over the IIs augments

[atomic crest]

get as much as i can in a short time on a smaller budget

[unique rune]

Ackerson still made sure the augmentations were incredibly effective

Kurt-051 even describes Project CHRYSANTHEMUM's augmentations as a quantum leap over the ones he and the rest of the Spartan-IIs received

[humble yacht]

The cost effectiveness of the spartan IIIs was in their armor and the looser genetic requirements to be augmented

[atomic crest]

the fact that they needed smoothers in the last few iterations was, at first a logical idea, but now it's not so much

[humble yacht]

Only the gammas got those extra augments

[unique rune]

The smoothers were only necessary because of an addition that Kurt made for Gamma, none of the others needed them.

[humble yacht]

That’s not the “quantum leap” forward that Kurt was talking about

[atomic crest]

they need to have access to either actual smoothers or a lab to make a decent version, as is seen in divine wind, spirit of fire doesn't have the right chems to make ctual smoothers but knock offs

I think if they were given more time with their augs and a bit more training there'd be much more survivors

it almost seemed like they were aug'd then given a few weeks with the armor and then dumped on a moon/planet and died

[humble yacht]

Bruh

IIIs training was even harder than IIs

[atomic crest]

i'm talking about after augmentation

[humble yacht]

The reason so many died is because of the kinda of missions they were sent on

And the less effective equipment

[atomic crest]

i'm trying to look up if there's any writing on them after augmentation to when they're dumped

[humble yacht]

Training was expedited compared to IIs because the program was designed to replace fallen Spartans quickly. But Chief himself said that the IIIs and IVs made up for the lesser strength stats with enthusiasm

Or something like that

[atomic crest]

i'm aware that the armor is one of the biggest factors on why there's so few left....maybe 9 if my count is right (but given how much correction is being thrown my way it could be 40 for all i know) tom, lucy, ash, olivia for sure team katana was a 5 man team but is still in the slipspace pods, that's 9 and we don't know if Jun is actually still alive. if he is then that's 10

[unique rune]

Not even the armor, it's just that Operations Prometheus and Torpedo were suicidally dangerous even for Spartans

I doubt many more would've survived even if they had Mjolnir armor.

[atomic crest]

I'm currently rereading info on the III's, so be ready for me to admit to misconceptions if i find any.....it's entirely possible. I haven't talked halo lore with anyone in a long time so i'm a tad bit rusty

[humble yacht]

No way to tell if mjolnir armor would have saved a significant number

Wait

[gaunt oak]

Do not tag Admins or Moderators unless immediate action is needed. If you see anything that does not abide by these rules and guidelines, please tag a Moderator to bring it to their attention.

[humble yacht]

There we go

People are wrong all the time, don’t need to specifically tell me, just don’t defend super hard when you’re unsure

[atomic crest]

ok, so from what i've been seeing.....I'm a complete fool

I still think that the mutagen, while good idea, is still a detrament to the III's due to dependance on a steady supply of smoothers

[humble yacht]

It doesn’t help that people in the community spread the idea that IIs are untouchable by IIIs and IVs

[atomic crest]

but yes, their training was harder, yet heavly accelerated

[humble yacht]

Detriment to them as people, yes, but made them more effective as soldiers

Or rather, living weapons

[atomic crest]

they got nearly got all the same aug's execpt for the tyroid catalyst, III's got HGH

I openly admit where i was mistaken

I'm deffinatly gonna have to reread the entire library again to get back up to snuff

[humble yacht]

Or just brush up on halopedia

[atomic crest]

but where's the fun in that

i have a nice lazyboy....why not use that and read a book

[humble yacht]

It’s be faster and cheaper

But you do you

I sure as hell am not gonna buy every halo novel, lol

[atomic crest]

the one thing that is a dangerous factor.....besides the mutagen

also i have all the novels so..

it's the factor of them all being war orphans that have been directly affected.

first, i get that at the time of the III's there was no real options

[humble yacht]

That’s what made them susceptible to indoctrination

ONI prayed on their vulnerability and desire for revenge

No less worse than straight up abducting kids off the street as with the IIs, imo

[atomic crest]

the war was already on so everyone was affected, but the fact that the kids drive to get revenge could possibly lead to them becoming too narrow sighted on certain things, instead of being objective. that's not to say that it's a bad thing per se, and i'm not sure that there is anything that mentions a III going "off script" and going Punisher on covies because they were the same ones that killed their cat

[humble yacht]

The psychological drive for revenge certainly made them more effective against the covenant

[atomic crest]

but that little bit of variability is something that is still there as a possability, that's not something that the II's had

[humble yacht]

One could argue they needed less brainwashing than the IIs since they were already predisposed to help the unsc

[atomic crest]

that is true

i mean look at what happened in the US during WWII and after 9/11

[humble yacht]

But the brainwashing the IIs got make them just as mission-focused, as Chief says multiple times in infinite

It’s always about the mission with him.

[fast falcon]

Yeah the IIIs I feel needed little indoctrination beyond making them more responsive to orders

But the IIs needed to be broken to the point they could practically disregard their humanity at any moment in service as a weapon

[atomic crest]

the IV's are possibly the more random on emotions, they've had whole lives before becoming spartans

[humble yacht]

Wouldn’t say random

[atomic crest]

varied?

[humble yacht]

IVs are just normal, well adjusted military people

With super strength

They go through entirely normal emotional spectrums

Varied, sure

[atomic crest]

......well adjusted.....we're disregarding some of fireteam majestic i hope....what with their whole "community outreach" they had lol

mind you their augs are actually interesting

[humble yacht]

The IVs each bring their own individual outlook to being a spartan. Which some may argue could be bad but in most things in lifeC diversity is good

[atomic crest]

they could actually eat a tree if needed for food and their insides would be able to process them

[humble yacht]

Different outlooks and viewpoints allow for more creativity

[humble yacht]

“Well adjusted” meaning they know how to act in society

[ionic plank]

In the lore Marvin was sent out to the Library to retrieve the Index is their really Dead Marines on that Level?

[atomic crest]

they had more organ replacement than chem augs unlike the II's and III's

[humble yacht]

Doesn’t mean they can’t be dbags

A spartan IV can go home and be a regular person. A II or III can’t really do that

Which is what makes them so tragic

[ionic plank]

I remember seeing bodies with Health packs and ammo packs on the level but cannot remember if they are flood or Unsc

the library

[humble yacht]

I don’t think you see any marine bodies because the idea is that they all came back as flood

[ionic plank]

i was asking because their was a few rumors about it

[atomic crest]

just gonna remove those stupid questions of mine

[humble yacht]

Can’t discuss that particular topic here

[atomic crest]

i don't think there was any other living humans in that section of the ring besides chief....should just be flood

wouldn't all the other humans on the ring be on that mesa or on the pelican with foehammer?

[humble yacht]

There were the surviving marines you find at the exit

[atomic crest]

ahhhh

considering my recent memory issues...i'll agree with you

[ionic plank]

i remember reading that the truth and reconciliation had odsts raid it and destroyed it due to the flood on board

[humble yacht]

That might have happened in Fireteam Raven

[agile zodiac]

I'm not sure it did.

Most of the missions in Fireteam Raven were set on the Halo.

Atleast that what I remember from playing it.

Even then ||(They all die in the end)||

[unique rune]

It's from The Flood, not Fireteam Raven.

[untold wasp]

Well they were on the autumn

[unique rune]

Though that's an extreme oversimplification of what happened. Maj. Antonio Silva's ODSTs raided the Truth and Reconciliation with the intention of capturing it and using it to escape back to Earth. It was destroyed by Lt. Melissa McKay after she realized that, on top of being a grave violation of the Cole Protocol, it was also an absolutely terrible idea because they couldn't guarantee the ship had been entirely cleansed of the Flood, which could turn out pretty poorly for humanity.

[agile zodiac]

You don't say?

[terse lava]

Think that raid was one of the few things I wasn't fond of in the book. You have multiple covenant spec ops teams entering, wiping out flood and they get mooked by Silva's men

[versed helm]

I feel like I said odst and now I keep seeing it

Not a bad thing tho hope you all enjoy the men from the sky

[near tide]

I can't wait for the Rubicon Protocol

[versed helm]

How big are the beam emitters on alpha Halo?

[unique rune]

at least 2

[glacial oracle]

Never seen exact measurements unless its in some kind of Halo picture book.

[versed helm]

Yeah I've literally looked ever Halopedia, Halo fandom. I thought it might be in the book The Art Of Halo Creating A Virtual World, but alas it isn't

[unique rune]

I don't think it's ever been given any actual measurements

Didn't get any explicit confirmation of their function until Infinite either.

[gilded mason]

She became Vergil's handler

[versed helm]

Either one of two things happen.

The first, the Banished are ruined and became one of the worst factions, and other lore is also ruined and what we know about some secrets are horrendous.

The second, all goes cool and smoth, we get to know a lot of stuff, better Banished organization, that sort of good things.

I want the second.

[main rivet]

Why would anyone assume the book is going to ruin the Banished?

[frigid pagoda]

So I was reading Contact Harvest, and I saw a mention of honey bees. (And starlings I think) It made me wonder if the UNSC brought animals from Earth to other colonies. Planets that would be suitable for us would most likely be suitable for our animals, but is that officially part of lore, or was that a reference to an insect that was similar to out honey bees?

Like we would use them to fill in the gaps in animal use, that the new planet didn't have. Pollinators for example.

[frigid pagoda]

Exactly. If there is one thing all fans can agree on, is that games have failed, but books really haven't. I mean, when 343 took over from Bungie, they barley had to retcon stuff, if anything at all. I don't think the book is going to be bad. Writers know what they are doing.

[main rivet]

They’ve doubled down on Kelly G and Troy Denning and they’ve all been good.

[frigid pagoda]

Agreed

[tacit charm]

they certainly know how to imply a consistent mac numbers (in kilotons)/covenant shielding (single digit megatons)

tks writers

[near tide]

The book will show the true hopelessness of fighting the banished and also guerilla warfare

[terse lava]

So just kinda a repeat of Halo: The Flood

[near tide]

Similar

Here they have multiple Spartans

[vital kernel]

Is there anything I could read up on ONI’s Beta-5 AAG?

[unreal raven]

I'm reading Halo: The Flood and having played all the games, I love the irony of Silva's insults to Master Chief and the Spartans.

[scarlet hinge]

the ODST-Spartan rivalry is a fairly major part of their dynamic

in general, the ODSTs have somewhat of a distaste for Spartans

[blazing tree]

New Halo fan here, where would be the best place to start in terms of lore other than the games? I know essentially nothing, so keep that in mind.

[frigid pagoda]

For starters, there are plenty of youtubers that cover lore. HaloCanon, Hidden Xperia, ect. Then there are the books. Actually, HaloCanon did a video on what order to read the books. It really helped me, and I recommend. Enjoy the Halo Universe!

[blazing tree]

Thank you so much!

[frigid pagoda]

No problem. 😉

[frigid pagoda]

Oh and one more thing. Watch Halo Recapped by Sametoken on YouTube. It pretty much tells the entire story of Halo up until Halo Infinite (cause Infinite hadn't come out yet) without diving into a ton of lore. Also a good video.

[scarlet hinge]

for books, The Fall of Reach should be the first to read

i'll also throw over this page

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

[agile zodiac]

You can kinda start anywhere and it all eventually makes sense lol.

I started with Halo Cryptum and was very confused until I got to The Flood.

[scarlet hinge]

that's an option too, but I'd usually recommend release order

as they tend to build off information from prior releases

plus, FoR is a nice way to get familiar with all the basic elements of the setting before getting into the deeper stuff

[blazing tree]

Got it! Thank you all so much, I'm really excited to get started on learning all of this lmao

[deep vortex]

Got a lore question about the M6C SOCOM, it’s said to be 12.7x40 yet is whisper quiet, You’d think it’s 10mm like the H2 magnum

Am I just dumb or does the UNSC have some funky new suppressor

[agile zodiac]

More likely it's a subsonic round.

I believe the Russians have a variety of ".50 Cal" subsonic ammunition for their supressed weaponry.

[deep vortex]

Subsonic 12.7x40mm
hm
I see that working but my god it’s gotta be real close to supersonic else it’s not doing much to an elite’s helmet

[agile zodiac]

I'll pull up my old Halo 3 Visual Guide and check it out for you

[unique rune]

I think you're just gonna have to treat it as a case of fiction not really 'getting' suppressors. Either that or the UNSC's 5-centuries-in-the-future suppressors are capable of some crazy stuff compared to what we have now.

[grave pollen]

Ok just finished halo 5

What the hell

[raw pollen]

yeah, halo 5 is a mess

[grave pollen]

‘Took you long enough’

So… what am I supposed to play to understand what happens in infinite?

[raw pollen]

did you play all the halo campaigns?

[grave pollen]

1, ,2 , 3, 4, Reach, ODST, and 5

Is infinite the next one?

[raw pollen]

yes

[grave pollen]

Thanks dude

[raw pollen]

np

[grave pollen]

Wow they left it for a couple of years

Until the story continues in infinite

[raw pollen]

sadly if you want to learn the event before infinite but after halo 5 your gonna have to play the halo wars

@grave pollen

[grave pollen]

Alright thanks.. the main games don’t seem to do a good job of fleshing out the story

[raw pollen]

yeah

but if you dont want to play halo wars but want to know the story just look up on youtube the halo wars explained

[grave pollen]

Yeah I might do 😆

[raw pollen]

or you can look up the banished explained

[grave pollen]

Thank you 👌

[raw pollen]

np😁

[fast falcon]

You technically need to play Infinite first to understand what’s happening going into it lol

[vestal parrot]

Quite true

[grave pollen]

Makes sense haha, just wanted to make sure I have enough background

[knotty niche]

is it true that warthogs are fueled by water

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[agile zodiac]

You forgot arguably some of the best ones, Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2.

Halo War's cutscenes alone make up for the price of the game.

Stuff's like watching a movie.

Blur are the goats of cutscenes.

[deft coral]

What are y’all thoughts on the novel The Cole Protocol, I just ordered it. Please don’t spoil lol

[spiral jewel]

okay. we know that Blue team is on a unrelated assignment elsewhere, and Locke is on assignment on a different part of the ring...
so what exactly are Vale, Tanaka and Alpha Nine (Dare, Buck , Dutch, Romeo, Mickey and Gretchen) currently doing as of the Zeta Halo conflict... ?

[honest trout]

I liked it a lot it’d actually one of my favorites

[unique rune]

I generally quite liked the novel, but there's definitely some parts where I get why people would have issues with the book.

[ruby finch]

where is a good start if any halo fan wants to start reading the books

[terse lava]

The Fall of Reach works well enough

[deft coral]

If you really wanna go back, The Forerunner Trilogy

[granite violet]

Is the book glasslands good I've started reading it

[pseudo jolt]

👍🏻

[minor bluff]

what if the grunts were the chosen guardians of the prophets, like the elites and brutes were?

[signal turtle]

Lol, just a literal barrier of grunts stacked on top of each other

[agile zodiac]

This ain't marvel

I shudder to think of the day Disney owns Halo

[minor bluff]

implying microsoft wont buy disney

[minor bluff]

listen man i just like AU concepts

disney didnt invent AUs that was a tumblr invention

[night adder]

lore

halo one theme plays

[agile zodiac]

Okay

[versed helm]

Well we know certain ones in or near the control room control the rings weather right?

[unique rune]

Nope. Never been said if they're related to weather control.

[agile zodiac]

We do know the rings have some form of weather control though.

Cuz if I remember correctly the Halos will drastically lower the temperature during a Flood outbreak to slow them down.

[untold wasp]

tbh i never heard that can happen

[agile zodiac]

To be honest, I don't remember where I heard it.

I need to find my guide, I forgot to check it out about the Socom magnum last night.

[quick slate]

Cant it just make it into scorching temperatures to burn the flood into oblivion?

[agile zodiac]

I assume no since they have sentinels to do that.

Honestly, half the things I remember about Halo I don't know where I learned.

[fast falcon]

Tbf I don’t think intense heat would slow down the flood as much as ice cold weather

[untold wasp]

taking account of real life bacteria, i think heat will be more effective than cold

[agile zodiac]

I think I remember it from being about something from one of the Halo 2 missions.

Like Quarantine Zone or whatever where you play as the Arbiter.

[untold wasp]

sacred icon

i believe

[quick slate]

the one where the UNSC also appear in?

[untold wasp]

the one where tartarus betrays?

[agile zodiac]

No.

I think it's an earlier mission.

[untold wasp]

is it on a ice area or not, since i am still sure the unsc were at sacred icon as well

[agile zodiac]

Yes, snow n' ice.

I think there are a few marines there, but it's mostly flood in UNSC vehicles

[fast falcon]

That’s assuming that a lifeform meant to absorb all other life into itself can actually be effected negatively by bacteria and the like

[humble yacht]

You know, that brings up an interesting though experiment

What if a virus was engineered that only targeted flood cells? Wouldn’t that effectively be a cure?

[fast falcon]

Unless the floods genetics are simply too malleable for a virus to properly damage for too long

[swift cape]

that would make sense

[signal turtle]

Didn’t ancient humans do this then got screwed over by the jealous forerunners and flood?

[agile zodiac]

I'll have to pull up the page on the FSC (Flood Super Cell) after I find my guide. It might talk about it there.

[agile zodiac]

They made a "Cure", but the real reason the Flood stopped was because they wanted to attack the forerunners more than assimilate the humans.

Also partly because the Humans weren't to be tested by the Flood yet.

Always gotta remember that the Flood are the corrupted Precursors, and they wanted Humanity to hold the Mantle. Hard let them have it if they're all dead.

Of course inb4 another argument about the Mantle of Responsibility.

||(Who is to say the Forerunner interpretation of the Mantle will be Humanities?)||

[craggy sierra]

The mantle is a flawed concept and everything in lore points to the universe abandoning it

It's fundamentally possible for a single race to hold power over life without diminishing the free will of all other.

It'd be openly inviting all out war into the galaxy

[craggy sierra]

And humanity is currently single handedly outnumbered by the population of elites after the covenant war let alone the populations of all the other species as well.

So everything is pointing towards and abandonment of the concept of the mantle and instead a system of shared governance.

[humble yacht]

Immunity is a constant arms race between the virus and the target cell. Viruses mutate all the time as well

[agile zodiac]

||(Duh Duh DUHHH!!!!! Humanity decides to share the Mantle)||

[craggy sierra]

Pierre

There's one other aspect to this

Not a single gosh darn human alive even has a concept of what the mantle is

[humble yacht]

Chief does

[craggy sierra]

And the one AI who did have a concept of it is now dead

[humble yacht]

But he’s a cyborg

Lame

[craggy sierra]

The galaxy has been so long without the concept of the mantle that the term had no meaning and now the only meaning anyone does no for it is the whims of a rampant AI who tried to enforce a galaxy-wide police state under the guise of protecting life.

[humble yacht]

There was some prophet who lamented on how the Covenant ignoring the Mantle in favor of chasing an afterlife was ultimately their downfall

[fast falcon]

Makes me kinda wonder what a Covenant interpretation of the Mantle would be like

If they weren’t already trying to enforce it and just thought it was a super rigid caste system

[craggy sierra]

In a parralel universe where Halo 3 didn't drop the ball on writing it would've been fun for that to be the reasoning behind Truth's political scheming in Halo 2.

[humble yacht]

Well

dos bhavod or whatever his name is seems to suggest that

[craggy sierra]

I do like the notion of the mantle going out with a flicker as oppose to a bang.
It's an old concept of governance upheld by a very self-rightous group of dead people from 100,000 years ago.
If it was so great then they probably wouldn't be dead.

[fast falcon]

Tbf, the mantle wasn’t even the Forerunners in the first place. The Precursors themselves had a very different understanding of it if I’m not mistaken

One that was more about allowing life to flourish and grow up still be destroyed naturally, and not about dominating entire species to keep them in line

[craggy sierra]

The thing is the precursors understanding of the mantle has never been fully explained but considering they basically made all life as a backyard eugenics experiment we have no way to even theorize what they viewed it as.

If it was about allowing life to flourish naturally then why would the concept of a mantle be needed? Life doesn't need oversight to flourish.

[fast falcon]

It kinda does because of groups like the Forerunners willingness to control how they expand and flourish

Forerunners interference basically allowed the galaxy to stagnate, which seems to be the opposite of the Precursor understanding of the Mantle

[craggy sierra]

The rise and fall of empires, whether domestically or galactically, is something that's probably just a fact of life.

The issue is that at what point is upholding the mantle become the reduction of free will to those under you?

[humble yacht]

Oh wait never mind

Misunderstood

[humble yacht]

Depends on what kind of life tbh

Like the theory of felling trees in a forest to help stave off landslides

And let new trees grow

[craggy sierra]

Cortana viewed herself as building a future for life to prosper by disarming the millitaries of the universe and enforcing a police state.
In a lot of ways that was what the Forerunners had succeeded in doing to those beneath them as well.
It may have been peaceful and what not but a governance system like that will always bring into question the notion of free will.

[fast falcon]

To me it seems like the Precursor understanding was that life is a cycle that keeps going on and they simply maintained the cycle, whereas the Forerunners took the Mantle as the right to protect all life, which kinda stops the cycle of life, growth, and death the Precursors understanding entailed

[craggy sierra]

Again this sounds like the precursor definition for the mantle is literally doing nothing which makes me wonder why a term was assigned to it to begin with.

Am I assuming the Mantle when I spend my evenings watching youtube on my couch instead of doing the dishes?

[humble yacht]

Your own personal Mantle

[fast falcon]

No you’re actually stoping change and growth from happening lmao

[humble yacht]

And you’re bad at sheltering

[craggy sierra]

Tell that to the mold

[fast falcon]

It’s also worth noting this is an alien race with a hugely different understanding of reality than we do lmao

[craggy sierra]

Which is my point

I don't think we could ever truly comprehend the precursor definition of the mantle

[humble yacht]

Not with the currently available info

[craggy sierra]

And all life in the Halo universe is flawed, be it elites, humans, forerunners, etc etc.
I don't think any race could ever assume the concept of the mantle without it being mangled to fit an agenda.

[fast falcon]

I think the best way I can explain it is Precursors grew a garden, while the Forerunners made sculptures. The Precursors were about helping life grow and change and not stopping that so they can join in on the experience of life, good and bad

Like I don’t think it was a responsibility to them, it was just naturally the way the universe worked, but it’s the Forerunners that turned it into a responsibility and then used it against other life forms to impose their rules on it

[craggy sierra]

There's always the Dark Souls possibility of the gods being just as flawed and misguided in their intentions as those they hold dominion over.
After all, what is the life of an ant to a kid who owns an ant farm?
And what is the galaxy if not the precursors ant farm at this point?

[fast falcon]

That’s how gods should be in fiction imo. Fundamentally different beings who despite making them can’t actually understand their creations in the same way

[craggy sierra]

At this point though I feel like there's no good way to really explore that in the current era of the universe given just how far past ancient history these events are.
The precursors are basically a footnote in Halo's ancient ancient history by now and there's so few people with the concept of the mantle it'd be hard to really examine it...At least write a third story outside of the two they already tried and both of them got scrapped because 343 can't carry an ongoing story in a hand basket

But at the end of it I don't like when people view the concept of the mantle as the solution to the galaxies problems which is what sparked this convo. I don't believe it was ever meant to be viewed like that.

It'd basically be like saying we could solve the worlds problems today by implementing the governance system used by the ancient egyptians.

Just cause some old dead people did some impressive things doesn't mean they had the best ideas about how to run the world.

[opaque badge]

Lore reference

[solemn rune]

Master chief is old

[quick slate]

Somewhere in his 40s

[humble yacht]

49-50

Iirc chief’s birth year is 2511

[rotund marsh]

Hey so I need help with something

Does anyone know what the Summa Deep Space Incident is?

It’s in the EVA helmet and it says The most highest level of classification by ONI.

[untold wasp]

dang the halopedia section is short

[rotund marsh]

Yeah it’s super cool

[untold wasp]

The Summa Deep Space Incident was an event that sparked multiple projects related to research and development of extra-vehicular activity equipment, such as the EVA-class Mjolnir[1] and the OF92 Booster Frame.[2]

[rotund marsh]

Has me hooked on figuring out but dead ends everywhere

[untold wasp]

that is the only thing in the article

[rotund marsh]

Damn man

What I have so far is it had to be about field of vision

That’s why the visor is so big but what could have happened so horribly that even ONI needs to cover it up. Kinda cool

[untold wasp]

it just occurred to me that the eva helmet greatly resemble modern day astronaut suits

[rotund marsh]

That’s true

I also thought about the word summa

Maybe referring to the Summa war?

[untold wasp]

summa has no records i believe

in halo

[rotund marsh]

No like real life

It was the famous war of Soviet Russia and the Finnish

[untold wasp]

doesn't seem like it is related

[rotund marsh]

Maybe the enemy had camouflage and the EVA helmet was designed by ONI to combat advanced camouflage which resembles the Finnish and their white uniforms

Yeah perhaps but still hopefully we learn more

[untold wasp]

since they get a bigger pov to see camo....probably

[rotund marsh]

It’s the fact 343 days it’s classified to the highest level by ONI. The only other things I can think of being that classified was the flood actually landing on earth and the whole lore we know about ancient humans and precursors. Those two things I know are classified by ONI to such a degree

So what could have gone so wrong to which ONI had to cover it up. Maybe a new species just decimated the Spartans. Who knows

[untold wasp]

i am right
for eva helmet in halopedia it says
It is designed to improve the survivability of Spartans when performing extra-vehicular activity in the vacuum of space

[rotund marsh]

Yeah I remember reading that! With the new lore added by 343 on the helmets description in Infinite though it adds to it.

So what could have happened that would cause the need for those improvements. That’s what’s driving me crazy

[gilded oriole]

is yoroi armor canon

[untold wasp]

no

[agile zodiac]

I have my Halo CE-Reach guide pulled up

Who wants to see stuff

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780542377391685672/934213622182322196/20220121_153044.jpg

Name a more iconic duo

[untold wasp]

chief and cortana

[agile zodiac]

Did you click the link?

[untold wasp]

ya

[agile zodiac]

Lol

[agile zodiac]

Not helpful to your theory at all, but if you wanted to know the Latin name for the Flood there you go
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/579532496270786572/934215113714585640/20220121_153658.jpg

Yeah ngl this guide is old and lots of the info is outdated.

[mellow ermine]

It'd probs be harmful to flood hiveminds and what not but it won't fix the people who were infected for sure..

[sharp goblet]

can anyone see the UNSC and/or the UEG in general doing some kind of restructure or anything to be less fascist? I feel like a lot of the expanded material makes it pretty clear the insurrection is in the right but like... The UNSC haven't really made any positive changes since the covenant war, have they?

[night flax]

The gravemind in the forerunner/flood war

Proto gravemind in halo wars 2

Proto gravemind halo 1

[terse lava]

The lore is pretty in depth, yeab

[agile zodiac]

The Flood have one hivemind lol

That's the thing about them.

I believe it's said somewhere that the graveminds know everything that was ever known by the other graveminds, even if they no longer exist.

[night flax]

Not necessarily, the flood on alpha halo were not acting as if they were under the control of the gravemind on delta halo

[gilded mason]

That's because Graveminds have a limited range, that increases with the resources under their command. And Delta was on the opposite side of the galaxy to Alpha.

[terse lava]

Makes me wonder on the range of a protogravemind, seeing as at least two were made during the battle. One on the Truth and Reconciliation with Keys thrown in, and another on the Infinite Succor

[night flax]

Yes, but that means multiple hive minds can exist at once if their ranges dont overlap

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[terse lava]

They can exist sure, but it would all be the same being

Or at weirdest, so in-sync that any individuality would be unnoticed, in a similar way to the Precursors themselves being of "one mind"

[fleet oriole]

Honestly I feel as though one gravemind would just eat the other and accumulate any potential knowledge I can't imagine two coexisting.

But that's just theory, a game theo- Gunshot

[terse lava]

They would all have the exact same knowledge

Heck, the entire flood species is likened to a single macro organism

[gilded mason]

Yup. Two Graveminds is basically the equivalent of one person using two monitors showing different cameras, or having an extra pair of limbs.

[versed helm]

is the unsc allied with the swords of sanghelios?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[versed helm]

didnt oni try to cripple them at one point?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[versed helm]

alright thanks

[grave pollen]

I’ve just started infinite’s campaign… am I supposed to be unclear on what happened between 5 and Infinite? Seems like a lot has happened off game

[pastel jasper]

yes.

that was intentional.

[unique rune]

It gradually gets more explanation as you go through the campaign

Though there’s definitely still a lot of open story space left even by the end of it

[pastel jasper]

perfect cliff hanger.

[grave pollen]

Why? Blank slate?

[pastel jasper]

no. youll understand when you complete it.

[grave pollen]

Ok thanks

[storm niche]

which book is this?

[versed helm]

Weapon is replacing Cortana

She's less visually appealing, but if she sticks around, I think it's good for the series. It means more kids can join in without getting in trouble.

And yes, ik they are the same

[drowsy karma]

How would they get in trouble?

I don't understand.

[drowsy karma]

Arby 'n the Chief.
I win.

[ocean matrix]

I’m surprised Jon has managed to keep it going for so long

[ocean matrix]

I still watch the Chaos Theosis bit from time to time

[drowsy karma]

Some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen

[proud nimbus]

where did the grunts that sided with the elites go after halo 2?

[agile zodiac]

Just the Halo Visual Guide, I got it years ago, before Halo 4 came out.

[gusty star]

Swords of Sanghelios, back to Balaho, died, enslaved by other factions, joined other factions out of religious dogma, etc.

[tribal quiver]

Im excited to see what the next spin offs are gonna look like story wise. Hoping for like a halo ODST 2, maybe a halo wars 3, or a game where we play as the banished tbh

Reminiscent of sum like halo 2 but we actually get to kill UNSC

[spare siren]

Just bought & started Fall of Reach! :D my start on Halo: Combat Evolved whenever it came out like early 2000s with cinderblock console and controller

looking forward to the lore

[versed helm]

Who else wants a story dlc explaining how the endless survived the firing of the halos

[tribal quiver]

Any dlc in the forerunner era would be really dope

[versed helm]

@tribal quiver ODST 2 is new blood

[sage fossil]

thre are several on zeta

[night flax]

source? @sage fossil

[sage fossil]

at least if i remember corectly anywy

At the command of the Didact, who rarely commanded his wife about anything, those processed by the Composer, those who remained on the fog-shrouded wheel, along with the remains of all the other Flood victims and the deactivated Graveminds–of which ten had already formed–and the last of the functioning monitors keeping perpetual watch–all on the wheel and the wheel itself were sent through a portal for one last time, never to be used in that same way again"

[night flax]

multiple graveminds can exist, its just only 1 hivemind if they are in the same area of influence

[tribal quiver]

@versed helm i dont mean a continuation of the original odst team. I mean like a new squad that could take place sometime in the 6 months before Master Chief woke up. Maybe working with Locke or with the still alive spartans from the audio logs