lore-and-universe

[manic swallow]

idc about 1000 years i said if humans reached 2500 our weapons would be like laser or something

not bullets

thats so old

[ebon parrot]

We can estimate 22nd century level tech for the unsc, and I can believe that we'd still use ballistic weapons then. Remember, plasma weaponry is almost certainly more expensive so cheaper ballistic weaponry is a better alternative

Especially for marines and stuff

[manic swallow]

the only thing that i find hard is the warp drive

i think that will take 200+ years maybe 300+

[ebon parrot]

Pretty sure that's reverse engineered forerunner tech

Iirc

[fleet oriole]

Lasers are boring. Ballistics will forever be loved, and despite it being old, that didn't stop a bullet from piercing a Prophets head.

[opal gazelle]

old doesnt really matter. What does matter is efficiency, both in cost and lethality.
If humanity hasnt discovered a technology more cost efficient and lethal than bullets by 2500 then they would still use bullets.
In human history only 3 inventions have hit this criteria: bronze, steel, and gunpowder. Each about a few thousand years apart
And if they did discover tech like that then we'd likely see a very different style of warfare come from it

[split heron]

laughs in spartan laser

[manic swallow]

i think by 2100 well have quantum computing/fusion for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYR_W1masKI

w/e actually lol

[near tide]

Ballistics are fun

And there’s a nice contrast between them and covenant weaponry

[ornate hawk]

tbh the Splaser is probably the only futuristic weapon the UNSC has

like not even the railgun is futuristic cause the US Navy is in the process of developing those now lol

[near tide]

Gauss gun and mac are above current irl tech

Spartans are

The nova bomb is too

[ornate hawk]

nah not even those

MACs are just coilguns on a much larger scale, and coilguns arent far off from railguns

both use magnetic fields to fire the projectile, just in different manners (rails vs coils obv)

[near tide]

No large railguns of that scale exist irl

[ornate hawk]

not yet they don’t

like i said the US Navy has been researching the concept to start adding them onto destroyers

[misty comet]

Manta is also above irl tech

[near tide]

Mantis

[misty comet]

yeah that thing

want to see it return

[near tide]

Any of the space fighters

[misty comet]

we need our own Catherine Halsey and 400 more years to even consider challenging Human tech from Halo

[versed helm]

the reason halo tech seems to be so wonky is because for most of human history technology has progress really slowly and we are just assuming all progress will be extremeley quick in the future

because of our point of view on the world

but if you look at history aside from our current scientific boom the progression of humanity in halo is above average compared to the historical average

[vital kernel]

height

[versed helm]

Cyclops in halo infinite when

Hopefully never

Why

One arm gun

Also looks amazing

The banished could have some type of mech

So use cyclops to shoot and punch the mech

It can also run

None of those are reasons to put it in a 'balanced' fps game

Not to mention the Mantis will probably be added to Infinite

Could be only in campaign

Also Cyclops's were literally scrapped by Oni for being pretty horrible

They have seen combat (only in the earliest stages of the HCW and with exception to them being deployed with the Spirit of Fire) but it was very rare/they were pretty much outclassed by everything around them.
They're mainly construction vehicles now doing field repairs to UNSC vehicles

Ok

It’s just annoying how the mantis has to walk everywhere unlike the cyclops

Besides the spirit of fire might show up in a dlc and they got a bunch cyclops

[versed helm]

That again isn't a reason for them to be in game.

Ok? I just think it would be cool if there was more then one type of unsc mech

Mantis's in lore as well trot at over 35 mph, they're slow in game for balance

Doesn’t even have to be a cyclops

Just another type of mech

[versed helm]

Ok? and the Mantis is pretty much an upgrade to the Cyclops/Yggdrasil but also suffers from what any mech would The fact that tanks are superior these still aren't reasons to add a Cyclops/any other Mech to Infinite

Hmm fine but we need more air vehicles

From the old games

And new ones

We're already getting the Hornet and Falcon.

For real?

Love those ones

Where is source?

Since this could be a lie

Classic halo tradition of toys spoiling things like the Falcon, we already knew they were adding 'new air vehicles'
I remember other leaks but don't know their source

Falcon will most likely be added tho since its actually really well balanced

Ok very good, hope they show up on campaign as well so I can bring a bunch of marines with me in the air

[versed helm]

Has mastercheif ever played among us?

I need to know this to expand my lore knowledge

[glacial oracle]

*"Hold on Chief, Im picking up a strange energy signature in that vent. Master Chief, have you ever heard about the hit-game A m o n g us. chief? You need to vent chief. Chief, you need to be sus "

[burnt pulsar]

This is 26th century we’re talking about among us is like a really old medieval game

[versed helm]

Vintage

[burnt pulsar]

Older

[versed helm]

Need I explain more?

Mastercheif is sus

[sullen grotto]

mister chef

[obsidian thistle]

Its possible it doesnt exist in the Halo Universe

[quick slate]

it probably was already dead long before his birth

[spiral forge]

Also one thing to mention about the scorpion discussion from yesterday, sometimes militaries will adopt equipment that isn't seen as being as good as older equipment, solely because the new equipment fulfills a role that the old stuff didn't. Like the superheavy bombers of the 50's and 60's (with the exception of the B-52) were all replaced with smaller planes that couldn't carry such large payloads. The reason being that the smaller planes typically were more precise and overall more effective because of it.

[swift atlas]

Halo 5 scorpion is the best looking scorpion in the series. Change my mind.

[versed helm]

There literally isn't a single scenario where a main battle tank would ever be outfitted with a 90mm canon in modern/future wars. (Especially against some of the Strongest armor the UNSC/humanity has ever seen, the Covenants nanolaminate plating)
Using planes vs a mainline battle tank is an awful comparison

Also the plane thing is also slightly 'incorrect', why? Because the newer more advanced planes, while yes being more precise are also 10x faster, a crap ton higher and carrying armaments so deadly they can almost level a country
Technically the smaller planes actually have "Larger" payloads since the output damage is that much higher lol

[burnt pulsar]

cough Halo2 cough

Is there any lore on how the banished reacted when the covenant fully fell (truths covenant)

Because I would just expect them to have some sort of party

[versed helm]

I'd imagine just just a long witty heroic speech from Atriox and then massive preparations for mass looting/proper warfare
Doubt any parties were happening

[spiral forge]

Don't care tbh funny future cannon shoot powerful shell lmao

Also that is the most nitpicky thing ever and does not make my statement incorrect, you just added to it

Here comes a paragraph I will not read

Cope and seethe nerd

Cry harder

Piss yourself too

[versed helm]

Unless I suddenly can't read you were saying that 'bigger bombers in the past filled a different role because newer planes can't hold as many bombs/cargo'
Which isn't true because those bombers just evolved/huge payloads aren't needed lol

Wow triggered much lmao

[spiral forge]

That's not what I said

Not even close

[burnt pulsar]

Nerd isn’t t really a insult it’s a compliment because you are telling someone that they are smart

Or highly educated in one area

[versed helm]

Cause its paraphrasing but yes you did, unless you want to magically edit your paragraph from before

[spiral forge]

What I said is that vehicles which seem superior on paper (usually due to things like their destructive power or payload) can be replaced by vehicles seen as inferior (due to having a smaller payload or something of the sort). I was suggesting that that could be the reason the scorpion sports a 90mm main gun.

Militaries often replace "superior" vehicles because they don't need them anymore. And a different vehicle suited for different needs is what they need at the time.

[versed helm]

And I was correcting you because basic modern day 'bombers' or even jets have surpassed the superheavy bomber role due to the increased speed, deadliness and heights new planes and bombers can actually reach, going back with your example would literally be just giving your aircraft unnecessary weakness/disadvantage to whats already around you/in plentiful numbers already 🤡

A better example would be ammo types, tho for obvious reasons replacing them with older 'models'/just using older ones is better than replacing 10's of millions dollar aircraft with worse versions

Don't really care if you're butthurt, your example would just never happen

[spiral forge]

That was my entire point, new vehicles are better than older ones in different ways! You haven't made any point here you're just acting like a know-it-all!

[burnt pulsar]

angry Soviet noises

[versed helm]

Your points was re-using older models for "different roles"
So no, that wasn't your entire point

Be butthurt more

[spiral forge]

...You must be dyslexic because I never suggested re-using older models.

What I said is that the scorpion is probably just better than a modern MBT in some way that makes it more valuable to the UNSC.

As happens in real life!

Maybe the UNSC prefers the scorpion over an MBT like the ones today because of the one-man crew! Or some other unknown design feature!

[versed helm]

Ah yes, UNSC finding value in a round barely capable of going though 13mm of armor against essentially missle resistant armor mmm
And downgrades would never be that drastic, especially to a degree of complete ineffectiveness

Actual reason for the AR and BR using 'ww2 rounds' and the Scorpion only being a 90mm was because Bungie wanted their weapons and vehicles to be more unique and every game at the time were using essentially the same ammo types.
The reason 343 in Halo 5 made the Scorpion for 150mm, cause its actually realistic

[spiral forge]

Hot damn dude you're literally looking at it way too seriously

You realize that if 500 years in the future, somebody wanted a 90mm cannon, they could just as well have a shell to compensate for the size, right? It's a goofy sci-fi world, and you're acting like it has to adhere to modern ballistics like gospel.

And who cares about the H5 scorpion having a 150mm cannon? It's just a different variant! Y'know, for another purpose that requires a larger gun where a round from the 90mm cannon wouldn't work.

[burnt pulsar]

ICBM’s crying

[versed helm]

Unless the UNSC somehow reinvented combustion then no, the shell wouldn't compensate for anything/a 150mm would just always hit harder and faster/can be modified and exchanged more no matter what you do

And yeah the 150mm being used for a different purpose... that being it can actually act/be a tank that could fight other tanks 🤡

[spiral forge]

Okay, maybe the UNSC didn't need a scorpion variant with a bigger gun, after all, 5.56 and 7.62 are clearly enough to kill covenant footsoldiers, and even their vehicles! Neither the scorpion nor the wraith are designed like standard tanks, having a bigger gun wouldn't just automatically improve them.

[burnt pulsar]

A wraith isn’t a tank

[spiral forge]

We don't really have enough lore or understanding of the circumstances of the scorpion's design to arrogantly claim that a smaller gun makes it less useful.

The damn thing has apparently done well enough across the battles it's seen with its dinky little cannon!

[untold wasp]

both are siege vehicles

[spiral forge]

I don't know why you're so adamant that the scorpion has to be able to fight other tanks either!

Not all tanks are meant for that, WW2 was a classic example!

[versed helm]

Actually yes, in simple caveman terms for you, a bigger gun does improve a tank, hence why every modern tanks rounds are enormous. 🤡

a 90mm to a 105mm is a difference of just a few hundreds of thousands of Newtons, not to mention larger rounds can carry larger 'payloads' inside of them.
Modern tanks are barely effected by 90mm, as is pretty much cannot penetrate their armor at all Which was a problem even in back inWW2.

[versed helm]

Because a Tank/specifically a Mainline battle Tank is a vehicle is primarily used for anti-vehicle combat

And the Scorpion is a mainline battle tank.

@spiral forge Quit being triggered and swearing.

And you're wrong, a bigger shell is literally just better than a smaller one
Theres a reason Snipers use large rounds, same thing applies to a tank
(Putting that in simple baby caveman terms for you)

[spiral forge]

Do you know what happened to tanks after WW2?

They were designed with less and less armor.

[tacit charm]

what if the smaller shell fires at half the speed of light kek

[spiral forge]

Now what I'm suggesting is insane, but get this,

[tacit charm]

ignores that the round would simply burn up

[spiral forge]

what if the tanks the scorpion fights were also designed with less armor?

[versed helm]

They ain't mac cannons but that would be the only time they'd be useful lmao

[tacit charm]

wait what's the topic about anyways?

[tacit charm]

but tank beats everything

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

i forgot gifs dont work :C

[versed helm]

But get this, the Scorpion was redesigned for fights with Wraiths, Locusts etc and built to withstand car sized pieces of plasma slapping it in the face. 🤡

[swift atlas]

Ok. In simplest terms. Bigger gun= bigger boom.

[spiral forge]

The Leopard 1 is a fantastic example. A lot of WW2 era tanks could've easily punched a hole in it. But it still had less armor. Why? Because anti-tank technology had advanced far enough to render simply adding more armor to it ineffective. So, using this information, let's apply it to future tanks. Say they use less and less armor as time goes on, soon enough, you don't need a massive gun to fight other tanks!

[spiral forge]

Bigger boom ≠ better tank

That's this entire discussion.

[swift atlas]

Not necessarily, but if it is on the right tank it could be

[spiral forge]

Sure, but the scorpion probably doesn't fight tanks that require a bigger gun. So why give it one, right?

[versed helm]

Actually its because they were running with bus engines that couldn't withstand the weight of a tank

Lmao

[spiral forge]

Assuming a 90mm cannon suffices in destroying covenant vehicles, (which it does), why give it a larger gun.

[tacit charm]

ye imma stay out of the whole 90mm is good or bad debate

[swift atlas]

I mean the scorpion was designed to fight during the insurrection( I think) so probably they are going to need big guns to fight other tanks. When human covenant war comes along, they can’t design new tanks so they use what they have

[spiral forge]

Literally not true.

[tacit charm]

[spiral forge]

But that's the thing. Just because the scorpion was meant to fight human vehicles, still doesn't mean it needs a bigger gun. Perhaps the tanks it fought were similarly less armored for various reasons.

[versed helm]

Also, Leopard 1 was also phased out/not really in use/was pretty much given the Leopard 2's armor lmao

[spiral forge]

It was an example! During the cold war a lot of tanks used less armor because anti-tank munitions made it useless! Which is what I'm suggesting could have happened with the scorpion and its opponents!

If they have less armor, why use a bigger gun?!

[swift atlas]

You have a point

[spiral forge]

It's just overkill!

[swift atlas]

Exactly

Overkill to destroy it fully

If it has less armor, why use a smaller shell? Use the bigger one and obliterate it

[versed helm]

... You realise again the tank were built with bus engines installed/built to be "cheap"
Every country at that point had les money to invest in tanks lmao

[spiral forge]

The point still stands. Regardless of whatever nonsense "reason" you can pull out of your rear.

[versed helm]

So a Scorpion with a 90mm against some of the strongest armor known to mankind? lmao
For Halo, no, it literally wouldn't even be logical still

[spiral forge]

The strongest armor? You mean the armor that knives can stab through?

I mean, several times in Halo marines and spartans have stabbed elites!

And ARs using 5.56 can punch through it!

[near tide]

Elite have weaker armor than wraiths and locusts

[versed helm]

Marines can't stab through Elites armor

Also a Spartan can punch/stab at about 75,000 newtons and Elites very very very obviously don't wear armor as thick as Wraith armor lmao 🤡🤡🤡

[near tide]

Plus those tanks have stronger energy shielding

Forge stabbed an exposed spot iirc

[spiral forge]

Yes, but it goes to show that the covenant isn't just going for the stupid theory that more armor is somehow just magically better.

[versed helm]

In lore it barely can/pretty much requires an entire mag to make a whole

[spiral forge]

No they don't. But what it shows is that covenant armor isn't somehow too tough to beat.

I'm just applying that to wraiths!

So then the wraiths don't have armor that is too tough to beat, so then the scorpion doesn't need a bigger gun!

[warm fable]

takes a full mag to take out an elites shield and the elite so at least gameplays a little lore accurate

in heroic at least

[versed helm]

I can't deal with this moron anymore lmao
Just stop dude jesus

(And again, yes Wraiths do have armor almost too hard to beat, so does every single piece of covie equipment/vehicles in lore, thats why Humanity constantly loses, because their machines are that hard to beat)

[spiral forge]

The point is that there very well could be reasons the scorpion doesn't have a larger cannon. Maybe it'd be redundant since what it already has suffices at clearing up wraiths, banshees, infantry, pretty much anything the covenant can throw at it.

[spiral forge]

Better technology ≠ armor you can't beat

Armor doesn't just make a vehicle better

Quite clearly armor isn't one of the big concerns of the wraith, seeing as it can be destroyed with just ONE grenade.

Grunts, jackals, drones, most smaller covenant soldiers can be killed with one grenade too.

Elites take two.

[versed helm]

Have you ever seen a single piece of Halo lore? Nanolaminate plating is literally some of the toughest material humanity has ever seen Again Yes you can barely beat the armor Its lore
Unless you want me to say that for the 1000th time

[tacit charm]

then what's the point of riding in armoured vehicles then

[versed helm]

Thats gameplay, not lore you actual moron lmao

Im done with this, he's too thick to understand anything

[spiral forge]

Small arms fire. A scorpion might not protect you from say, one of those glassing beams on the ships the covenant roll with, but a plasma pistol will really struggle to kill the operator of a scorpion.

[tacit charm]

i was jk my guy

[spiral forge]

You're just too insistent that a sci-fi world couldn't have any sort of difference with ours.

"Durr hurr bigger guns are ALWAYS the answer!!!1"

🖕

[tacit charm]

ok

that escalated quickly

[spiral forge]

He was sending clown emojis the whole time, I'm allowed a single spicy one lmao

[wispy prawn]

I think it would have been cool in in halo 5 and maybe infinite when you gave a command to blue team to pick up a gun or when Chief not the player tells blue team to do something the green status lights winked on screen like in the books.

[versed helm]

It is you actually baboon brained moron lmao
Durr durr durr I can't research anything durr durr

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[spiral forge]

You have the same mindset as that one army colonel who opposed the Bradley in favor of the M113.

James G. Burton, iirc.

The dude is a clown and you're like a circus.

[near tide]

Homie do you play on mega easy mode or what?

[fathom cloak]

oh gosh oh golly what a wholesome conversation

[vernal notch]

Oh gee oh my

[frigid oracle]

idk

[ornate hawk]

okay uh

when i first mentioned the whole humanity went backwards with the ammo and tanks thing

i did not think it would snowball into that lmao

[fast falcon]

Tbf you also told them to cope, seethe, cry, piss themselves, and called them a nerd before the clown emojis, so I think you kinda started off swinging a while ago…

[fathom cloak]

^

[frigid oracle]

this chat went weird

Lore is usually a cool channel

[ornate hawk]

not only did he tell him to cope, seethe, etc. but he did it on false assumptions lmao. Given that the “funny future cannon” does not shoot a “powerful shell” and actually uses standard tungsten armor piercing shells which were also developed in the 1940s lol

which would also wipe out his point of using a futuristic shell to compensate for the scorpion only having a 90mm shell

I have no choice but to award Valkyyr the biggest W in this debate

[fast falcon]

I second that decision

[fathom cloak]

the judge has spoken

[tacit charm]

game = all canon hence tank beats everything

[frigid oracle]

I also third that decision

[tacit charm]

[fathom cloak]

and now we wait for an onslaught of insults from one megawatt

[tacit charm]

speaking of onslaught

interesting rho considered reach a heavily defended planet by his standards, perhaps cause of a certain 20 odp array

[ornate hawk]

i mean i don’t think Rho cared if there was 300 ODPs like earth lol

[fathom cloak]

[ornate hawk]

he was hunting forerunner artifacts

and then he gets ordered to take his ship to a planet with plenty of artifacts??

[tacit charm]

well he kinda did

[ornate hawk]

that was the perfect business opportunity for him lol

[tacit charm]

hold

"In battle, 'Barutamee often tactically ignored the United Nations Space Command's attempts to find vulnerabilities in his fleet to exploit, though he realized that he could not afford such luxuries at the heavily defended Reach"

🤔

[terse lava]

Amusing

[versed helm]

cyclopes when

it fits with the whole theme of the unsc stuck on the ring with little supply

[raven inlet]

i can’t beat adjacent resolution 2 lol

[ornate hawk]

you see, at first i wanna disagree and say the Reach/H2A scorpion

but then i look at my mega construx H5 scorpion and just go

"man that thing is hot"

i'd love for them to make another scorpion based on the OG Scorpion tho so i have both models

[fleet oriole]

Whoops.

Tank is Tank though, Scorpion will always be beautiful no matter what.

[agile zodiac]

I love all the little lore additions they've added in the descriptions of the armor and such.

Stuff like this
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866045129046360124/912793328679006258/Containment_Rig.png

One can only assume that this is referring to the Flood Containment Spartans/Fireteams

[burnt pulsar]

*Siege vehicle

[burnt pulsar]

“I mean that really got out of hand”

[main rivet]

I appreciate that there's actual lore for some and then the minor stuff mostly has glib flavor text. I think the Halo 4/5 guys suffered from trying to give every thing, including random visors, some sort of story justification.

[obsidian thistle]

Same folks fyi

Well for Halo 5 at least

[versed helm]

Whats the point of the MA40? Why not reuse the MA5D or MA37? MA40 is redundant

[cobalt quiver]

How do Spartan III's compare to Spartan IV's in terms of strength?

[near tide]

Stronger

[atomic sand]

Spartan III’s had a lot more augmentation then IV’s as well as a few other different things

[versed helm]

I mean stepping aside augmentations and just the word "Stronger"

Spartan IV's GEN2 armor is absurdly strong (Almost as Strong as Spartan II's in full Mjolnir)
Most likely Spartan III's and IV's are pretty much identical if the Spartan III's are also given GEN2 armor

[near tide]

A gamma is probably stronger than a IV

[versed helm]

... I'm pretty sure most of Gamma company wore PSI armor and no
GEN2 is far superior to most of the Mjolnir we've seen the Spartan III's wear

[near tide]

1. SPI
2. I would assume the III’s and IV’s would be in armor of the same strength

[unique rune]

I mean, by that logic, every successive model of MA-series ICWS is redundant.

Why bother making the 5C or 5D when there was already the 5B or 37.

[near tide]

The best comparison would have them in identical armor

Because then their actual augmentations and combat ability affect the outcome

[versed helm]

GEN2 makes the Spartan III's augmentations pretty much meaningless

III's have their augmentations because originally you needed to be hyper strong outside of your armor to actually wear and control it without it crushing you

GEN2 was made to pretty much be Spartan II's levels of deadliness by only relying on the suit itself
Tho III's have far superior training to IV's so that'd probably be their biggest advantage

[near tide]

Gammas drugs are crazy too

[versed helm]

Again that would barely even be a factor while wearing GEN2

The suit does pretty much 99.99% of the work

[near tide]

They perform crazily when wounded

With a broken leg they’re still effective

With two totally broken legs they’re even more deadly

A IV’s performance is affected by injuries, but a III, not really

At least I’m pretty sure

[versed helm]

Again the suit does all the work
That includes injuries, an example is Chief getting the entire back side of his leg blown off but the suit just walks for him
GEN2

[near tide]

Still, I’d say a IV isn’t going to win against a III

III’s have been fighting longer than the IV’s

As well as better training

Armorless a III tears a IV into little pieces

[split glacier]

What book was that?

[versed helm]

I don't exactly remember, one of the newer ones lmao

[versed helm]

Halo dies in the 3rd one, and the tall alien boys and humans live happily ever after.

[tacit charm]

think its shadows of reach cause that's the last instant i remember chief sustaining an injury to his leg (it also led to the whole 100 ton granite rock debacle)

[versed helm]

dont the current remaining spartan III's have gen2 armor like the spartan fours

Most still use SPI armor but I believe Mjolnir Clad III's use gen2 ye

[raw moon]

space is big, it would take years if not decades to refit all unsc units,

[versed helm]

They had decades and centuries to refit

[raw moon]

i would be surprised if some UNSC units still were using older rifles along side newer ones

again, space is big

[versed helm]

We already have 4 different models, only the 5d was used twice

The 40 has no place from a lore or a game standpoint, just exists to bloat

[raw moon]

it might take ones on earth/ SOL a couple months to get newer stuff, but once you add the distance and time it would take to refit everyone

you would have 4-5 different versions of weapons floating out there

[versed helm]

Remember this was the infinity, fitted with the latest gidbits

[raw moon]

yeah and the MA40 might be the latest

it doesnt mean they wouldn't have other versions of the AR onboard

[versed helm]

It’ll be ok if it’s just the ma37, but the 40 is literally just a clone to bloat the count

Least the guns from 4-5 were consistent

[raw moon]

eh

its a new 'generation' of ARs anyway

[versed helm]

Based off a model that’s more than a century old

[raw moon]

and ?

we're still using century old stuff IRL

look at the M2

its been around for over a century, just with some updates

[versed helm]

The marines ditched the ma37 for the 5 series, leaving the 37s and other old gear for the army

[raw moon]

yep

[versed helm]

No reason to revert

[raw moon]

and the MA40 might be cheaper to produce than the MA5s

[versed helm]

Infinite should’ve used the 5d to maintain consistency

Lots of gear in infinite fail on a lore standpoint

The Ar is just a lesser example

[limber turtle]

could someone pls explain how the Forerunners, the Grave mind, the Covenant , the Banished and the Harbinger knows PERFECT ENGLISH, is it because the MJOLNIR helmet has some sort of alien language translator, or is it something else

cuz i'm confused

[obsidian thistle]

More convenience for the player. Imagine that Aliens speak alien unless the context goes for them speaking English.

[limber turtle]

i understand that but at a lore angle it doesn't make sense i think?

[obsidian thistle]

Covenant species did learn English. :) Halo Wars 1 is actually one of the few to explain 1 way a group knows.

[limber turtle]

ohh yeah

and the banished are a rouge group of the covenant that follow atriox

[obsidian thistle]

"Hear now that 500 teams are to be formed to study the language of the Unclean. Each team to consist of the most clever and most educated Unggoy and Sangheili. These teams to speak only the Unclean language among themselves. The Unclean language to be taught to all military strike teams, that the foe shall be vulnerable."

•Note the following is assuming "Unclean" equals humanity. It could very easily be just a random species the Covenant were facing prior to meeting humanity. But it at least shows how the Covenant dealt with first contact if it isnt.

[raw moon]

im pretty sure that the Spartans have translators in their helmets

[limber turtle]

thx

[limber turtle]

idk

but how does the Harbinger know English

[obsidian thistle]

I may... enhance this page.

https://www.halopedia.org/Translation_software

[limber turtle]

cause last time i checked she was trapped until a combat medic was forced to free her

[obsidian thistle]

One could assume she learnt.

[limber turtle]

that makes a lot of sense, i lost a lot of lore because i've always been a halo fan but then stuffed happened in my life and i stopped until very reccently

[limber turtle]

true

[limber turtle]

so i'm trying to catch up

so thank you very much

[tepid folio]

Is the covenant still alive?

[glacial oracle]

As one large organisation? Negative. During the events of Halo 5 what remained of the Covenant was under Jul 'Mdamas leadership which fell apart after his death. Whatever forces he had left attempted one last assault of the Elites homeworld of Sanghelios against the Swords of Sanghelios lead by the Arbiter in which they failed miserably.

With their leader dead and massive losses felt on Sunaion the Covenant lacked both the Leadership and forces to remain as one combined effort. The Covenant is effectively disbanded with the exception of a few sprinter groups roaming around but with no threat.

[tepid folio]

Thanks for answering

[glacial oracle]

No problem

[tepid folio]

Also is there a reason why the banished hates humans?

[glacial oracle]

Believe it or not they actually don't hate humanity, well not initially.

Prior to the events of Halo Wars 2 the Banished had never engaged against Humanity in any volume which makes their rather aggressive actions with Humanity in Halo Infinite out of character for them and out of character for Atriox. While during and after the events of HW2 the Banished had suffered loses and engaged The Spirit of Fire first in order to preserve the secret of the Ark and as they had interrupted his plans for the ARK (and destroying their Carrier).

There is a rumour going around that its due to Cortana and the Created blowing up his homeworld which could be possible as a sort of revenge since humanity inadvertently caused the whole Cortana and Created situation. Personally im against this idea as I dont believe atroix would be the kind of person who would use this to obliterate the whole of Humanity.

As for the moment we have literally nothing but rumours and theories with 343 confirming nothing. At the moment its best to assume its because the Banished did not want the Infinity to get onto the Ring.

The Banished ambushed the Infinity upon its arrivial at the Ring. They didn't pursue them or anything so its likely to assume they were merely protecting the rings location.

[tepid folio]

Imagine in a campaign dlc you get to fight banished Spartans (if they let humans in)

[glacial oracle]

Defecting Spartans would be an interesting scenario. Although idk if the Banished forces would enjoy the idea of humanity being with em

[tepid folio]

If they did, it would be very cool

[glacial oracle]

Gotta be mentally prepared to take em down.

[tepid folio]

mentally?

[glacial oracle]

I dont want to attack a fellow spartan

[tepid folio]

Do you play multiplayer?

[versed helm]

Tbf I don't think Chief would actually care about killing an enemy Spartan
Chief after all was pretty much trained to kill entire organizations/criminal groups/insurrectionists of people
Probably just cares about his own men

[fast falcon]

The banished do and already have let humans join as well

[versed helm]

That is true but also is extremely rare/most of the Banished members/species do have a burning hatred for Humans lol

[untold wasp]

pretty sure infinite's mp is training simulations

[near tide]

Banished humans exist

Maybe a spartan IV would defect, but probably not

[fast falcon]

I’d honestly like to see it one day

A Spartan joining the Insurrection and then allying them with the Banished seems possible at the very least

[near tide]

Mickey went insurrectionist

[fast falcon]

Yeah exactly. Plus there was one Spartan in the comics who went rogue, can’t remember if he was allied with the Insurrectionists or not tho

But still, the idea of a Spartan is Banished modified armour leading a hijacked UNSC ship or something would be cool I think

[low whale]

There's insurrectionists who managed to get into the Spartan 4 program

[chrome nacelle]

Just gotta remember that "Spartan" 4s arent real Spartans, theyre ODSTs cosplaying

[low whale]

they#re still very boosted though, way beyond a normal odst

[fast falcon]

Plus their armour compensates heavily for their lesser augmentations, and members of them are still shown to be incredibly effective

All things considered, the Spartan-IV program is superior to both the IIs and IIIs both morally and in function

[low whale]

yeah, hard agree

[near tide]

The III’s and II’s were useful though. The war would’ve been lost a dozen times over without the earlier Spartans

[low whale]

all hail the greater good

[fast falcon]

Yeah I wouldn’t discredit the IIs or IIIs at all though, it’s just the selection process of the IIs and moral dubiousness of both makes the IVs far more favourable, as well as able to produce far more Spartans

[unique rune]

It's been nearly a decade since S-IVs were introduced to the series. I feel like we can let go of this tired line of thinking now.

[near tide]

Each IV generation won’t be as good as the previous. There’s only so many war heroes/really skilled candidates

[sullen grotto]

i mean why theres babies that can grow up to be the best

[unique rune]

You say that like Misriah's entire MA-series ICWS catalogue isn't practically archaic. All of the MA5-series models were in service as of the mid-2520s, none of them are particularly new or advanced models.
The Infinity may have been the UNSC Navy's flagship but after the Created takeover I don't think it's a stretch to think they would've supplemented their own armories and production capabilities with whatever existing weapon stocks they could find, old or new.

[acoustic aspen]

Yeah, but if the armor compensates for their subpar enhancements and makes the the equivalent of an SII in Gen 1 armor... than an SII in Gen 2 or 3 armor is still gonna have a significant advantage.

[last anchor]

Yes.

[acoustic aspen]

Ehh... try 2430's

[unique rune]

I know the MA37 entered service as early as 2437 but we've never gotten a date for the models explicitly designated MA5s. They've appeared in media at least as early as the mid-2520s but I don't want to claim they're much older than that because there's never been any official content that says exactly when.

I would expect something like the 5B or 5C to date back to at least the 2480s or '90s but there's nothing canon that would actually confirm that.

[acoustic aspen]

I would expect atleast the B to... date back to atleast the 2490's... if the base model is introduced in 2437. MA5 is just the Marine Designation for the MA37. it wouldn't make sense for there to be only the MA5 for over 60 years before in improvement is devised.

[unique rune]

I don't necessarily disagree, it's just that Halo canon can just be kinda wonky sometimes. I just don't want to try and extrapolate too much with the minimal info that we do have, then get disproven further down the line by some encyclopedia info or Canon Fodder that says a specific model of MA5 was introduced further down the line than I expected, so I'm just sticking with "this is what we know, so it's this old at the very least".

[ornate hawk]

Spartan IIIs goated

their sole purpose was to die fighting battles that ODSTs and Spartan IIs couldn’t so that humanity could keep trying to find ways to stop the covenant

[grave pollen]

Question: Why didn’t the half baked halo not kill Master Chief at the end of halo 3?

[gilded mason]

He made it into the portal in time. Or it never went off and it simply exploded mundanely. One of those two.

[grave pollen]

Thanks

[fast falcon]

Pretty sure it was the first, he escaped the ring before it finished firing and wiping the Ark

[acoustic aspen]

It wasn't complete enough for a proper firing. so instead is caused a cascade failure that killed the gravemind

[grave pollen]

RIP

[near tide]

The ark wasn’t wiped

[fast falcon]

Well not completely as HW2 showed(cool dlc tho I find the flood being there weird), but the ring still fired I’m pretty sure

[near tide]

Creatures survived on the arc too

In Hunters in the Dark there’s wildlife

[gilded mason]

What's funny regarding that, is that the author did that because he didn't get what the Halos did. And said those animals survived because they "weren't sentient, like humans are"

[acoustic aspen]

High Charity crashed into the Ark and was placed under containment. The firing of the incomplete ring eliminated the gravemind and rendered the remaining flood to it's feral state. Even had the Ring been ready it would only have eliminated sentient life above a certain threshold. Remember, the flood is intelligent, it doesn't just infect everything. It's selective.

[acoustic aspen]

No, it was already established before that, that the halo's only eliminate sentient life above a certain threshold and that the settings can be changed as needed.

[near tide]

The halos kill anything with sufficient biomass to support a flood infection

[gilded mason]

It eliminates anything with a nervous system

[fast falcon]

And the Flood are pretty much one massive nervous system if I’m not mistaken

[gilded mason]

Hunters in the Dark was trying to say animals aren't sentient, and would thus not get killed by the Halos.

[fast falcon]

Or at least, it effectively has nerves that go all throughout it

[near tide]

If it only killed intelligent life, there would still be creatures for the flood to infect/use as biomass

[fast falcon]

Plus the novels itself confirmed it kills the flood biomass at well because if I’m not mistaken Offensive beat Mendicant because the array firing wiped out all the flood supporting Mendicants fleet

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[acoustic aspen]

Technically, but in reality only Graveminds and Proto Graveminds are effected by the rings firing.

[acoustic aspen]

IF that were the case there wouldn't be any flood biomass surviving in any of the forerunner installations outside of shield worlds. yet there is.

[near tide]

I assumed it killed all flood forms and maybe biomass

[fast falcon]

Also the flood were likely stored on Cylixes, as shown in Infinite lmao

You don’t need to always ping me btw

[acoustic aspen]

And what the firing did was eliminate the gravemind's, reducing the flood to their feral state and rendering them useless to Mendicant. as many of the ships that mendicant ahd at his disposal were controlled directly by the flood.

[fast falcon]

Okay but the Gravemind forms from mass amounts of flood, and to effectively kill the Gravemind it would need to pretty much kill a huge amount of flood biomass to do so

Killing the Gravemind kills the flood essentially

[gilded mason]

[00:H 00:M 00:S]
The [Halo effect] strikes our
combined fleets. All ships piloted
by biologicals are now [adrift].

I can trade Mendicant ship for ship
now and still prevail.

[acoustic aspen]

Think of it more like killing an officer in command of an 18th century militia... once the command structure is eliminated it's fight or flight.

[mellow locust]

Has anyone noticed the halo wikis don’t ever note that the halo infinite sentinel beam is clearly a new type as it uses the same disintegration affects as promethean weapons and is reloadable and never overheats and is more powerful then any of the sentinel beams encountered in the series so far?

[acoustic aspen]

Newer... or older... remember Installation 07 is the oldest of the rings that survived

[near tide]

Wasn’t 07 an old ring?

[acoustic aspen]

And no, they weren't all stored in cylixes as evidenced by the flood floading in holding tanks at multiple forerunner sites.

[fast falcon]

That’s because the gameplay has changed. Chief can run and grapple in later games, doesn’t really mean he’s a new Chief

[unique rune]

07 was part of the older 12-ring array, yeah.

[acoustic aspen]

Yes, a repurposed and refitted Greater Halo.

[unique rune]

I don’t think it really means anything in the context of whether or not the Sentinel Beam type is older or newer though. For all we know they could’ve been concurrent models.

[acoustic aspen]

Indeed.

[mellow locust]

We’ll lore wise actually you do have to realize they are in fact the most powerful encountered in the series yet, this is because they are effective and efficient at dealing with the newer sheilds as much as the ones seen in 1-3 are at dealing with the old ones, this is evidenced by when Adjutant fired his beam at chiefs arm in the cutscene where he tries to stop The Weapon, because we all know the last time a monitor fired it’s beam at him he got sent flying back and his shelds were depleted, this is a very important detail because it confirms the shields are a definite advancement from the old ones

[acoustic aspen]

As Nova said though. they could have been concurrent models

[mellow locust]

By new type I mean newer to us as it hasn’t been encountered yet up to this point

[tacit charm]

or maybe sentinel beam on that monitor is weaker, i mean a monitor beam in escalation was able to incapacitate the didact for a bit (granted he wasnt paying attention nor do i think his armour was adapted to the beam though even if that's the case it's nonetheless still impressive it was able to incapacitate him to begin with) and another monitor beam in blood line literally incinerated a hunter

[near tide]

Blood line?

[tacit charm]

it's a comic

[acoustic aspen]

It could also have just been that the monitor didn't actually want to kill John, and was trying to encourage him to move away... forcefully.

[tacit charm]

black team do alot of shanigan and plot breaking stuff

[tacit charm]

maybe

[acoustic aspen]

like dying unceremoniously

[tacit charm]

:C that was escalations but still sad

[tacit charm]

weird that he dons a mech suit to do so huh

[near tide]

Dons*

[tacit charm]

woops

[acoustic aspen]

He dawns that after the initial pulse does nothing. after that the pulse deletes you pretty quick.

[tacit charm]

you saw nothing

[mellow locust]

That is a good one, I was also going to say it might be a higher dense version of the repair beam even though the color isn’t blue, and we know that can still damage as seen when guilty spark shot the marine in halo 3 with it

[unique rune]

With Adjutant Resolution being a sub-monitor I don’t think it’s impossible that he was fitted with a less powerful beam weapon than a primary monitor. Not to mention a monitor’s beam weapon isn’t exactly the same thing as a Sentinel beam.
There’s a lot of stuff to consider and none of it exactly points to the Sentinel beams found across Installation 07 being specifically more powerful than what we’ve seen before.

[acoustic aspen]

Shot the marine?... I THINK YOU MEAN AVERY JUNIOR JOHNSON.... say the mans name.

[tacit charm]

nah monitor beams aren't the same as sentinel beams it's arguably more powerful

[mellow locust]

No I’m talking about the small scene when he’s trying to open the door and he shoots the repair beam at that marine and arbiter yells at him

[tacit charm]

he means during the mission "the ark"

[mellow locust]

Thank you

[tacit charm]

before you enter the room with the sleeping grunts and/or pissing brute

[mellow locust]

That scene actually gets kind of referenced in halo infinite when adjunct finally helps you, he uses his own repair beam to unlock the door so you can fight the Harbinger

[tacit charm]

also i cant believe you can fit a brute chopper all the way to the end of the level

[mellow locust]

Ok new thought though, the second sentinal variant in halo infinite (one ones that shoots the shock rifle at you) are this installation’s constructer sentinel, this is further supported by the fact they only appear in structures that involve either being repaired (like the auditorium) or like the repair spires, which also brings me to another thought which is that the repair beam monitors and constructer sentinels use is the same beam the fired out of the shock rifle

[steady helm]

I guess not and couldn't find anything but did Dare ever become a Spartan after Halo 3 ODST/Halo 3?

[gilded mason]

Nope

[steady helm]

Kk thanks didn't think so

[prime creek]

Respect Sgt Marvin Mobuto

[wet notch]

ik that they’re technically near the same age, but keeping cryo in mind what is the age difference between jerome and the master chief in halo infinite

[unique rune]

Probably about 20-25 years, biologically?

The crew of the Spirit of Fire spent about 28 years in cryo. Only known significant cryo stint for John would've been the 4.5-ish years onboard the aft end of the Forward Unto Dawn.

[wet notch]

jerome is like 19-20 biologically during infinite right?

[untold wasp]

I think a bit older

[unique rune]

He should be roughly around the early- to mid-20s.

[wet notch]

and so john is in like his 40s

[unique rune]

Yeah, somewhere around the mid-40s after accounting for cryo time.

[wet notch]

gotcha

if they ever meet up it’d be fun if they referenced that lol

[unique rune]

I'm curious how well they'd even know each other, since Jerome, Alice, and Douglas washed out of the initial augmentations and had to be rehabilitated and reaugmented separately.

[wet notch]

true but wouldn’t they have still grown up together prior to augmentations for like 8 years

and jerome refers to john in halo wars 2 like they knew each other at least to some extent

[unique rune]

Yeah, they'd at least have that.

Just not sure if John would even have known that the three of them had been successfully augmented later on.

[wet notch]

oh yeah that’s a fair point, for all he knows they washed out and that was it

because weren’t they only made aware of each other on a need to know basis once they were deployed in the field

even between spartans their status was classified right

[unique rune]

ONI wanted to keep the washouts they still had hopes for hidden from the other 33 that initially survived, but I don't think it's ever been clarified to what extent they went to.

[wet notch]

interesting

[unique rune]

I think it was done for morale purposes or something like that.

So yeah, as far as we know, John probably still thinks they had died after the failed augmentations.
In which case he'd probably be surprised to see them at all.

[wet notch]

makes sense, really hope john gets to link up with red team in a future expansion

if that’s the case it’d be really nice to see

[untold wasp]

If so, maybe also the rest of blue team as well

Then together they can be purple team

[wet notch]

ah yes

[near tide]

John would know they were washouts

[unique rune]

I mean, sure, he'd put 2 and 2 together and realize they'd been rehabilitated somehow, but as far as we know, no one's ever told him some of the washouts were successfully augmented sometime after.

To him they'd have been dead for the past thirty or so years.

[fast falcon]

After all those years it’s possible for info to ship too and get pushed around

If John ever found out about the SOF for instance and heard they had SIIs onboard then he’d probably suspect something

[unique rune]

Right, it's possible, but he wouldn't really have any specifics to work off of, unless he decided to go digging himself for info.

[fast falcon]

Yeah pretty much

[near tide]

To him they would have been disabled for years

He knows they survived augmentation

[unique rune]

Do we have a source on that somewhere...?

[near tide]

He was told who lives through augmentation, who washed out, and who died

Plus there were funerals for everyone who died

[unique rune]

Sure, but we don't know which group of those Red Team's eventual members belonged to. If they'd been hit hard enough they might've been lumped into the 'dead' grouping.

[mellow locust]

No his 50’s

[near tide]

No, they wouldn’t have had funerals for them while they were alive

[fast falcon]

He’s 49 actually

But cryo would make him biologically a few years younger

[unique rune]

The funerals were just a coverup to provide closure. ONI still kept the bodies in the hopes that they might be revived. We don't know if 042, 092, and 130 were part of the group that was just crippled and alive or if they were clinically killed by the augmentations. Everything about them being washouts hasn't been any more specific than "the augmentations didn't take".

Maybe he thinks they're dead, maybe he thinks they're still stuck as ONI desk jockeys somewhere.

[mellow locust]

Yes but they know each other from training, they had initially been enemies from the beginning of the program, we see this when John makes it to the end of the obstacle course without the rest of his team not yet understanding the value of teamwork and red team makes it in the movie version of Halo: The fall of Reach

[unique rune]

I know they would know each other from training, but it'd still be one hell of a surprise to see someone you've thought was dead or otherwise unable to serve for the past thirty years suddenly show up in full power armor.

I'm sure he'd still remember them but it's been more than a quarter-century since he last saw any of them.

[mellow locust]

Ok I just checked the wiki, Jerome was actually not part of the group that was crippled, he survived the initial augmentations, he was also one of the Spartans that attempted to escape a lot so he proved leadership and other skills through that like Kurt, Frederick, and of course John, which likely implies they were all very close due to all being selectively chosen as the major spartan 2 leaders

[fast falcon]

No he was recognized as one of the emerging leaders before augmentations

[unique rune]

Ok I just checked the wiki, Jerome was actually not part of the group that was crippled, he survived the initial augmentations,
Except, no…?
His Phoenix Log entry in Halo Wars 2 specifically mentions that he was a washout, which is part of why he was ever even partnered with Alice and Douglas.

[mellow locust]

Also remember Frederick was also briefly part of red team up until joining blue team, so during the time between halo 4 and 5 he likely told John many stories about serving with Jerome which is MIA to the unsc

[near tide]

I don’t think he was in red team

Unless you count on Reach

[gilded mason]

You do know there are different Red Teams, right?

[mellow locust]

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Jerome-092

[mellow locust]

Yes

[unique rune]

Fred isn’t known to have been part of any Red Team formation that also included Jerome & co.

[mellow locust]

Good point

[fast falcon]

Yeah I think he was part of a red team configuration in the later part of the war, years after the red team of washouts went missing

[mellow locust]

Here’s the wiki page that says he was not crippled https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Jerome-092

[fast falcon]

Halopedia is much better

[unique rune]

Everything between augmentation and joining up with the Spirit of Fire is pretty much an empty space for Red Team.

[gilded mason]

Use Halopedia.

[mellow locust]

Wow I guess the halo fandom is outdated

[gilded mason]

Indeed.

Most of the staff moved to Halopedia a while back

[empty nimbus]

Were noble team the only Spartan 3s to get mjolnir and all the others only wore spi?

[near tide]

I think

[mellow locust]

Well hopefully the new halo encyclopedia will fix a lot of inconsistencies with some of halo’s messy lore

As a lore fan I’m excited to see what the newer revamped looking sections of the older 300 page section that is based from the original bungie encyclopedia’s will be like

Hopefully 343 didn’t just straight up copy and paste the older books into the new one and actually bothered to revamp them, like replacing the old halo 2 photos with their new anniversary ones

[terse lava]

Maybe we will finally get hard numbers on the Covenant

[unique rune]

Nah, there were a number of others.
Kevin-A282, Hazel-A302, and Owen-B096 being a small handful that we know of.

[gusty star]

It has already been stated that the 2022 encyclopedia is basically the next in the series that is Mythos and Warfleet, so I suspect it will be very professional and up to par

[terse lava]

Warfleet and mythos were pretty good, though I still feel cheated with warflert in regards to the cross sections

All of them should have shown the interior, rather than just a few

[keen cairn]

I wonder if jun actually died on laconia station

[gusty star]

Ideal world but I don’t imagine that’s cheap

They probably payed a lot for those artists to do what cross sections there were

[terse lava]

Perhaps not, but if I recall, all the vehicles were for the star wars one back when it came out

[gusty star]

Star Wars has a lot more money

[terse lava]

AT-AT, MTT, AAT, etc

Oh quite true

[tepid folio]

Who was colonel holland? I just remember hearing him die over comms in ODST

Was he in other halos?

[untold wasp]

noble actual

[tepid folio]

That was the guy who was informing you about stuff in reach if I am correct

[gilded mason]

Nope

[tepid folio]

ah I see

[untold wasp]

the guy carter was talking to when you enter

i believe

[tepid folio]

Yeah I looked at the cutscene again

[gusty star]

When did he die

[ruby finch]

During the mission new alexandria i think

we heard that they were evacuating

and it was followed by an explosion

so he is probably dead

[obsidian thistle]

We never heard or saw him die.

[ruby finch]

we may have never saw him die

but it was kinda implied

[gilded mason]

Holland was talking to Noble Team in The Package, afterwards.

[ruby finch]

oh ok then

[dusky stirrup]

People saying the endless are precursers.

seems unlikely

they might be made by them tho.

[gilded mason]

The latter is much more likely, yeah

[dusky stirrup]

allog of life is made by precursers.

are there any lifefprma that arent made by precursers?

[gilded mason]

🤷‍♂️

[dusky stirrup]

Why would the precursers make a species thats resistant to neural physics damage.

the rings are capable of damaging precurser technology.

based on neural physics.

Maybe the precursers made the endless as an experement fpr using something other than neural physics.

neural physics may not be bades on neurons but actuallu invented by precursers and life is made based on it.

Or they where made as a contingency in case some technology was able to damage neural physics technology.

Judging by how many abilities the endless have, maybe the endless where one of the first lifeforms made by the precursers.
They then realized they where too powerfull and essentially didnt have an off switch.

so they based later life based on the suseptable neural physics.

there own technology being based on neural physics so if something does manage to wipe out life it cant use there technology.
Either fight the lifeforms or loose all the technology.

precursors may have non neural physics technology outside the galaxy, so they can retreat to there own place if the galaxy gets wiped out.

may explain why they all just left.

[mellow locust]

No this New York Times suggests otherwise https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/10/04/col-leland-j-holland-dies/9c8cd25b-6da9-463e-a32c-22e2edef99fc/

My boy Noble Actual is real and dead

[dusky stirrup]

unrelated idea, perhapse the flood is a primitive form of the precursers, its not corrupted, its just primitive, it hasnt evolved to full precursers yet.

they might become precursers in galaxies that are fully taken over, and they learn to be slower in taking over.

[untold wasp]

most of the flood are gone, unless they are in stasis chambers on forerunner facilities and on halos

[dusky stirrup]

wich means they wont evolve to be like precursers anytime soon

do the halo rings directly effect the flood in any way?

[fast falcon]

Pretty sure the Primordial explains they’re explicitly a corrupted version now meant to spread pain and suffering across the galaxy in revenge or something

[dusky stirrup]

well we dont know if its lying or not.

[fast falcon]

Yeah it kills them, the same as every other life form with a neural network

[dusky stirrup]

its just one individual

[dusky stirrup]

i read that the halo rings dont kill the flood but kill there food.

[untold wasp]

ya

[dusky stirrup]

the original halo design actually dicintigrated all life, but the current design, only kills neurology.

[fast falcon]

Yes, which is all life forms with the proper neural networks. The flood are essentially one consciousness and to kill it you need to destroy a mass amount of it to destroy its consciousness and stop it from growing

[dusky stirrup]

so its thinking capacity comes from the brains they take.

[fast falcon]

Flood themselves possess the neural pathways needed to be wiped out, in a novel one AI actually trumps another in space combat by timing it right and letting the halos wipe out it’s opponents support and crippling its fleet

[dusky stirrup]

yes

origin of the flood is actually the most disturbing part of the flood.

it started as a dust we fed to our dogs, to make they behave better.

eentually it added to genetic changes, that effected humans as well.

so flood are actually a hybrid of human, "dog" and precurser.

assuming the dust is actually from precursors.

[untold wasp]

it is

[dusky stirrup]

Most likely.

Buy i havent read enugh to know if thats actually proven.

[untold wasp]

no it is, since the surviving precursors turned themselves into dust, so in the future, they can get revenge on the forerunners

[dusky stirrup]

not really

[untold wasp]

but that backfired

[dusky stirrup]

They did that hoping they would come back in annother form.

The precursers are quite questionable in what they say.

[untold wasp]

A few Precursors escaped or were spared by the Forerunners. They either went into suspended animation or became molecular dust that was meant to eventually regenerate into their past forms. However, over millions of years, the dust became defective, failing to reconstitute the Precursors and instead inducing madness and mutations in lifeforms that came in contact with it. This form would later be known as the Flood. -Halopedia

[dusky stirrup]

So its not intended as a punishment but they view it as a fitting one.

[untold wasp]

huh

[dusky stirrup]

also durring the flood fprunner war the flood didnt infect most humans

the forunners thaught that humans may be a key to a cure or resistance yo flood infection.
When its just that the flood both have just evolved at that point to only infrct forunners and infrcting the forunners is there strategy.

[untold wasp]

they infected anything with a nervous system

that is how the flood works

[dusky stirrup]

after the flood forunner war they infect anything, however they probably infect forunners the easiest.

and they probably evolved to be more general in the infection.

it could potentially also be because the flood partly came from humans.

dont think it is tho.

because that fact would make humans easier to infect

[untold wasp]

you know the war ending with the firing of the halos right

[dusky stirrup]

yes

[untold wasp]

i gtg

[dusky stirrup]

it wasnt entirely ended, ot turned a 1:300 battle to a 1:1

but it was the largest factor in the forunners winning.

[untold wasp]

The Forerunners concluded the war in 97,445 BCE with the creation and activation of the Halo Array, seven superweapons that purged the galaxy of all sentient life in order to stop the Flood-Halopedia

[dusky stirrup]

They had some sanctuaries, and a few flood survived.

shield worlds.

[acoustic aspen]

Yes, but if the Rings affected all life outside of Sanctuaries and Shield worlds, that wouldn't explain the continued presence of Flood on the rings. The Original rings would leave life on them unaffected but the newer 7 are omnidirectional, sentient life on those rings would be destroyed. Including if we follow the argument y'all are making, the flood.

[acoustic aspen]

ancient humanity played a cruel trick on the forerunner and convinced them that they had developed a countermeasure to the flood. but in truth the countermeasure didn't kill off the flood. the floods collective consciousness deemed humanity as worthy and willingly receded from Human space. but by then it was too late for humanity and the forerunner in their infinite hubris declared war on Ancient humanity for daring to take up the Mantle that they felt was theirs and theirs alone. Only 10,000 years later would the Forerunner truly understand the gravity of their mistake, and a few centuries after that they would learn the truth of humanities "Countermeasure" and what really happened. but by then they had already lost. all they had left was the conservation measure.

[dusky stirrup]

it was a trick by humans?

[gilded mason]

As far as I know, it was the Flood's trick, not the humans'.

[acoustic aspen]

It was both.

Humanity left evidence of a claimed "countermeasure" whilst the flood pulled back and allowed humanity to believe that their "countermeasure" actually worked, having actually deemed humanity worthy of the mantle. just as the Precursors had done so millions of years prior.

[ruby finch]

ok

but why did the the flood become an enemy to humanity again during halo 1 - 3

if they were deemed worrthy?

[gilded mason]

"It was long ago decided. Forerunners will never bear the Mantle."

"Decided how?"

“Through long study. The decision is final. Humans will replace you. Humans will be tested next.”
They weren't. They were going to be the next to be tested for worthiness of the Mantle.

[ruby finch]

Huh ok then thank you.

[gilded mason]

Also the Flood are rude dudes, anyway

So they probably don't care if they are worthy or not

[acoustic aspen]

The flood became the enemy of Humanity because the flood consciousness that deemed humanity worthy was destroyed by the firing of the rings. what replaced it eons later had no knowledge of that decision and simply knew that the forerunner had chosen humanity to inherit what they left, thus deeming humanity it's enemy in accordance to its corrupted reasoning. Forerunner exterminated the Precursor, Precursor came back corrupted as the flood, Forerunner = Flood Enemy. Forerunner chose humanity = Humanity is Floods enemy.

[gilded mason]

because the flood consciousness that deemed humanity worthy was destroyed by the firing of the rings.
What makes you say that?

[acoustic aspen]

The firing of the rings collapsed the killed off the graveminds and keyminds. Depriving the flood of a consciousness and the knowledge that humanity had been chosen

[gilded mason]

The Gravemind that was fought in 2 and 3 has knowledge of the galaxy before the firing. This would mean it retains the knowledge even through it.

[acoustic aspen]

It retains some. but not all. if it retained all it would not have fought humanity. As it's predecessors had already deemed Humanity worthy when they receded from ancient human space. Unless it doesn't see Homo Sapiens as Human because our species didn't exist the last time the flood were stomping through the galaxy Which would explain why it would attack.

[gilded mason]

if it retained all it would not have fought humanity.
Gravemind had explained that the Flood would consume everyone, no matter what.

As it's predecessors had already deemed Humanity worthy when they receded from ancient human space.
It didn't, Gravemind said that they'll be tested next. They weren't worthy yet.

"It is the way of those who seek out the truth of the Mantle. Humans will rise again in arrogance and defiance. The Flood will return when they are ripe—and bring them unity."

[acoustic aspen]

That claim is contradicted by the primordial a couple time... but then again... he contradicts himself a few times too.

Lets be honest. the lore is contradictory in and of itself. one book claims x, another claims Y, the games claim z, and we're left wondering why the zipper is open.

[gilded mason]

Yeah. What I'm trying to say is, Gravemind is the same guy, no matter what, with all memories available once it forms in the physical world.

[acoustic aspen]

Yeah... that's a plot hole they need to fix sooner rather than later. Without superluminal communication there's no possible way that the graveminds can share a single consciousness

[gilded mason]

Pretty sure a common theory is that the Flood have their own corrupted mirror of the Domain that doesn't exist in a physical way and isn't destroyed by the Halos.

[vestal mountain]

wouldnt it make that pretty hard to destroy the flood

[gilded mason]

Well, if all of their physical matter is destroyed, that's game over for them anyway.

[vestal mountain]

yeah

Wait but the halo rings were a really bad way to destroy the flood

[acoustic aspen]

Last ditch effort

[gilded mason]

Yup

Wasn't the best solution, but they didn't have the time for best

[vestal mountain]

Yeah

[acoustic aspen]

Faber got in the way of the best by putting politics and his own pride ahead of everything.

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[acoustic aspen]

Like... the dude is the reason didact went nuts... Faber doomed the Ecumene a dozen times over.

All so he could ataine greater power

[gilded mason]

"The more I hear about that Faber guy, the less I care for him."

[somber spindle]

Really excited to see who and what endless is

[tacit charm]

unless of course it's revealed to us the forerunners can time travel

[pale zenith]

Are endless related to precursors?

Or not at all

[acoustic aspen]

I mean... cortana accidently made it happen once...

[acoustic aspen]

We don't know. but lets assume no, because if yes it's a garbage plotline.

[pale zenith]

Hmm so jus

A new species

Hmm

[ruby finch]

in the campaign

audio logs

you can fidn

find*

detail them

as xanalyn

if im not wrong

[acoustic aspen]

You are right.

[tacit charm]

oh ye everyone already knows about the first strike shanigans

[glacial oracle]

Xanalyns blah blah found after the inital Halo firing blah blah had a big trial by the existing Forerunners blah blah and imprisoned

[mellow locust]

It’s been stated that there is at least 10 inactive graveminds on installation 07 which is kind of scary, that’s why (although even in it’s smallest form) it’s stated the flood is one of the greatest threats on the ring (obviously what pales in comparison to the endless) and in the wrong hands could be all released and likely enough biomass to form a key mind with the strength and power of a primordial

[mellow locust]

Mmm yes bungie lore, technically the flood are blown to peace’s like a fan to a very dusty object, which I actually think is a lot more cinematicly better, the idea that it’s like a strong and powerful gust of wind like energy that kills flood in its path is actually not that uncreative, for example the way we saw that gravemind in halo legends as the rings fired, the gravemind could clearly be seen holding on pretty well, the idea that the forunners may have had to actually fired the rings before it got too strong and could at least leave some of itself behind is fascinating to think about

[versed helm]

Its still current lore, not just "Bungie lore"
And no that one animation of them being blown to kingdom come is just a misunderstanding on the part of the artists of how the rings work.

The rings fry/destroy nervous systems lol

[glacial oracle]

I have only seen that depiction within animated cartoons (Halo Legends) and terminals and im decently sure thats more for show.

From my knowledge the Halo Rings burns the Neural Pathways within sentient beings and leaves their rotting corpses behind.

[mellow locust]

It didn’t backfire, I actually have an interesting theory, what if the precorers are flood but incredibly evolved, my theory is that what would happen if the flood kept on spreading and spreading and spreading far beyond just our galaxy, what if the key mind evolved so much that it would form into a new precersor, this is backed up by the fact graveminds technically are precersers, perhaps they intended for the flood to be no Mach for anyone and that wax the punishment, perhaps they knew it would infect the galaxy so they turned themselves into that dust and thought to themselves “this will infect every galaxy, it will be unstoppable, and then they will evolve into new precersors and start a new galaxy like we did but with the nolage to not do the same thing we did that left to our death”

[mellow locust]

Not exactly, bungie also intended forunners to be ancient humans, there is plenty of things that would have likely been different compared to what we have now if 343 kept that lore

[versed helm]

343 haven't changed the way the rings function, nor did Bungie in Halo 3 when they re-wrote Humanities past.

The rings have pretty much stayed identical to what they were

[glacial oracle]

Hate to burst the bubble but its very clear that the Flood are a result of the failed attempt of the precursors of resurrecting themselves. The Primordials very existence essentially discredits your theory.

[mellow locust]

But also remember halo 2 was gonna be both 2 and what we got for 3, but they had to spread it out across games, if bungie made a halo 4 then we would have likely been told they were ancient humans

[versed helm]

That again doesn't effect the fact the rings have stayed the exact same

They still kill in the same way, idk what your argument/convo is lmao

[mellow locust]

Yes but I mean the flood after billions of years of spreading to the point where at the center of the outbreak the flood would likely be large enough to cover the spaces between the planets themselves, but there would likely be a point where although they have a lid of biomass they also cannot get anymore, so they would begin to pull that biomass closer to where it all started, funcionaly creating creatures with so much nolage that they would evolve to gods and at that point would no longer consume but instead create life as they would have obtained enough intelligence it would alter there perceptions of reality and life

[glacial oracle]

Food for thought it would appear that the original Halo's from the lesser ARK couldn't distinguish the difference between living and deceased bio-matter resulting in corpses being left behind the firing but the newer Halo Rings (The array that we see in the games) can distinguish the difference resulting in living bio-mass to be destroyed while corpses that were dead before-hand remain.

[glacial oracle]

Sorry, im slightly confused. Your argument in your initial sentence was that the Precursors turning into the flood was a deliberate action in order to remove the Forerunners and retake over the milky-way and once finished revolve themselves back into their original forms which i discredited by bringing the Primodirals existence into the argument and calling upon what we know of established lore.

However, in your next paragraph im confused on where your heading. I think your overestimating the powers of the Flood. The Flood don't create beings with knowledge, the flood capsulate knowledge itself within a collected mind and doesn't distribute it anywhere with the exception of the gravemind itself. However, i believe I see your agurment.

Your saying that since the Precursors could manipulate time and space (creating galaxies and life for example) the Flood should be able to do the same given that they were precursors.

At the height of their power the flood was capable of manipulating Precursor and forerunner technology which is why I strongly believe they cannot do it even when they get to Key Minds. Why? Answer is that they would have done it by now. Flood aren't Precursors so its highly likely they lack something unique to the original bodies of the Precursors to be able to manipulate time and space to the degree your suggesting. If they could then they would have wiped the Forerunners from the face of the galaxy or create bio-mass for themselves.

They had thousands of years to attempt to pull the sort of power play your suggesting and they never attempted to do so from known sources.

sorry to go all lore-mode on you

[mellow locust]

The flood evolved from a desease that an ancient human caught, humans are known to harbor many thoughts and actions even after billions of years of evolution that could result in them wanting to learn more and more, the flood likely still inhabit that from the very basic stages of there existence, because they evolved from a desease that ancient humans that would commonly display conableistick behavior they likely also implanted that concept into later stages of the flood, however even then we know the flood can indeed create life and at a certain point manipulate reality, it is stated that during the forunner flood war that reality even seemed to get infected in a way, and we know from our own case based off of evolution as organisms evolve and slowly gain more intelligence they display more peaceful traits, the idea is this would be the case for the flood, where at a point the flood would be in thousands of galaxies and universes at that point they could know so much nolage they evolve to a state of everlasting nolage and at that point they become peaceful creatures, this would then cause them to retract into extremely intelligent beings that would essentially be the precersors and would then create life again

[humble yacht]

It’s hard to take that seriously when they misspell knowledge so bad

[glacial oracle]

Right off the bat we are heading in a wrong direction. The flood evolved as a result of the Precursors failed attempt at resurrecting themselves by the use of magic dust. This magic dust was consumed by animals of Ancient Humanity shortly followed by themselves which then over time became the flood as we all know and love.

However, its important to acknowledge that the Flood are not shaped mentally by their hosts nor do the thoughts of their victims impact upon the hivemind. If that was the case it would mean that the Flood are somewhat-independent and express individuality being a mishmash of a bunch of peoples independent thoughts and ideals which isn't possible. The flood is a collective conscious with the original 'being' being the Precursors themselves or the Primordial and that being the case any action by the flood is solely 'its' desires and not the desires of anyone the flood consume. The collectiveness of the Flood merely take the knowledge of those they consume and combine it into their consciousness. Thus the idea that Ancient Humanity is influencing the consciousness of the Flood simply isn't possible.

I also have never heard the idea that the Flood manipulated reality.

The flood would never become peaceful regardless of the intelligence it gathers. The Flood has had vastly more intelligence than our humanity combined and it has never showed a peaceful trait with the exception of working with Humanity temporary to stop Truth from firing the rings. The flood consciousness will consume all living beings full stop. The Flood would never entertain the idea of creating life to be peaceful rulers.

[humble yacht]

That and they totally miss the point of the flood altogether

[terse lava]

The Primordial had already stated it seeks peace and unity by consuming all life, so that life can never again rebel against his kind. Even then, this "peace" is the eternal suffering of those infected.

[humble yacht]

The reality manipulation could be in reference to controlling certain precursor constructs, like star roads

The flood may have also been messing with slip space at the height of their power, can’t remember tho

[terse lava]

They did, they shaped it to make it easier for precursor relic transit

[humble yacht]

Heyo

[glacial oracle]

This is because the Flood was able to manipulate Neural Physics which I somewhat lazily branded under 'precursor technology' in my inital statement

[terse lava]

They also manipulated reality enough to where at least, starlight appeared repellant to Forerunners

[glacial oracle]

bingo bongo

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[glacial oracle]

ow

[terse lava]

Ah its automatic now, thats nice

[humble yacht]

Neural physics is basically the epitome of “I think, therefore I am”

[glacial oracle]

Precursor science

[terse lava]

Likely helps that the precursor relics in universe are not real, just physical shadows of the object held in alternate dimensions

[vital kernel]

one thing I don’t like is how useless the marines in game are compared to the books

of course in the books they aren’t like obliterating entire squads of elites

but in the games they are literally so brain dead they have a hard time taking a high level grunt down

[terse lava]

Thats pretty much on purpose, otherwise what would be the point in the player fighting

[main rivet]

It's kind of a shame. Would be nice to have the ability to tweak that. It's not like the game throws so many Marines with you that you're really in danger of not being the main badass.

Plus, I've always liked the metagame of trying to shepherd Marines through an entire mission safely.

[tacit charm]

*10 proto graveminds

[untold wasp]

Also why does the proto gravemind in halo wars 2 look cooler than the halo 2-3 one

[fast falcon]

I don’t think there’s a proto Gravemind in 2 or 3

In 2 it’s a full Gravemind, and it doesn’t appear physically in 3

[left light]

In my opinion nothing is worse then the flood the heights they'd performed during the forerunner flood wars end, from the manipulation of star roads that ripped apart astronomical bodies, warped space time and obliterated forerunner defenses to the very fear and theory of the Iso-Didact and librarian fearing the parasites infection of reality of our living universe itself. I fail to see how the endless could be far worse either, John was able to best the harbinger and meanwhile an average warrior servant let alone a promethean warrior servant could best a spartan many time's over even in squads.

It might be that maybe if the endless were infected by let's not say an infection form but spores then the flood are immune to halo now.

But even that's a misconception of the flood being killed by halo they are simply starved of food, then again at the end of the war when halo fired mendicant bias fleet was left empty allowing offensive to control the remaining ships and even detonate them so maybe halo wipes out the flood the same as we see CEA terminals or halo legends but I hear alot of people saying that's a misconception.

[digital parrot]

My question is. With seeing the cylixes protecting the being inside of them. Through what measure is the Person protected? With the Ring clearing out a hosts nervous system how does this machine work to protect the thing inside

[untold wasp]

That is what I mean

The proto in Halo wars 2 looks way better than the gravemind in halo 2

[fast falcon]

Oh I don’t think we saw the Gravemind in full in H2

What we saw were mostly the tentacles it used to handle its victims and something for it to speak from

[untold wasp]

No the one when he was talking to chief and arbiter the worm with teeth

That one

[humble yacht]

What he’s saying is there was probably a lot more gravemind not seen. What we saw was likely just its head/face

Like icebergs, there was probably a lot more you couldn’t see

[spiral forge]

The gravemind is forklift certified

The flood infected the dockworkers at Voi

Their memories were added to the gravemind's consciousness

Said dockworkers were forklift certified

Ergo gravemind is forklift certified

[versed helm]

what does the lore say about the status of gamma company spartan IIIs as of 2559?

[humble yacht]

They’re around

Some are active in the field like The Ferrets, some were removed from active/field duty

[versed helm]

cool thanks

@humble yacht are they still using SPI armor or do they now use mjolnir?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt oak]

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[versed helm]

alright thanks 🙂

[gilded mason]

Think Denning said they all got issued Gen2 eventually.

[versed helm]

oh cool, thanks

[humble yacht]

You mean in SoR?

[gilded mason]

In a tweet

[humble yacht]

Lol

[gilded mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[humble yacht]

Well in sor the Spartans all appeared to have gen3

Which is weird but w/e

[versed helm]

what happened to the crew of the spirit of fire?

[untold wasp]

still at the ark

[main rivet]

I have to presume given that the Banished have lost their main ship and a lot of their leadership, the SoF crew is in a pretty decent position at the Ark (although who knows if there's another method of getting the portal back up on their side.)

[humble yacht]

Banished have way more troops

[versed helm]

how did atriox get off of the ark though?

i think they mightve beat the spirit of fire tbh

[fast falcon]

It’s detailed in Shadows of Reach I believe

[frigid oracle]

no

Shadows of Reach only shows them go onto the Ark

that might be in Divine Wind

[fast falcon]

Ahh my bad

[gusty star]

Actually it is detailed in SoR, you were correct @fast falcon

[frigid oracle]

resally?

[gusty star]

Have you read it

[frigid oracle]

I read it and all they do is go in

yes

i have it

OHHH

[gusty star]

The Banished on Reach opened a portal to the Ark that was located under Reach

[frigid oracle]

did I misread or something

ATRIOX getting off?

[gusty star]

Atriox had the crystal shards from the Anodyne Spirit

It’s like the second to last chapter

[frigid oracle]

yeah i read what he said wrong

☠️

Atriox getting off the ring is in SoR right

[frigid oracle]

yeah nvm this was right

I was thinking about the banished

[gusty star]

I mean

It’s the Banished

[frigid oracle]

like the troops on the Ark in Divine wind

I haven't read DW yet that's why im saying might be divine wind

[warm leaf]

Im reading halo shadows of reach

[frigid oracle]

kk

[tropic cedar]

Why does in halo 4 and 5 brutes disappear then comeback in halo wars 2 and halo infinite as the banished

[gilded mason]

Because.

[fast falcon]

In Halos 4 and 5 you fight an elite dominant remnant of the covenant that didn’t allow Brutes

[spare radish]

bc the splinter groups that you encounter are elite ones (elites and brutes dont like each other so they stay separate)

[split glacier]

Anyone here like Mass Effect?

[uneven parcel]

I love Mass Effect

[red lodge]

Yes.

[spare grotto]

so about the flood, you know how they can communicated with each other telepathically thru the gravemind?

[versed helm]

Apparently a very young brute can be red

thats wack

[spare grotto]

how come the flood in halo CE were basically entities with minimal intelligence, while there was a gravemind already formed as seen in halo 2

is there a range to which they can communicate?

[versed helm]

Esharum is old

[gilded mason]

A variable that increases as the local Gravemind grows more powerful

[versed helm]

They stole the ship "Truth and Reconciliation" so they must have tapped in with other flood forms occupying different ships

[humble yacht]

They were in Feral Stage. The consciousness had not yet manifested because the infestation had not accumulated enough biomass.

Feral Stage runs on pure instinct. Upon forming a Gravemind, they reach Coordinated Stage.

[humble yacht]

It is kinda unclear because during the events of HCE, the delta halo gravemind was active, yet the CE flood were very much in feral stage. However, in halo 3, the flood sent to earth were Coordinated, despite the gravemind being light years away

[gilded mason]

I'm goin' by what Warfleet said about Graveminds

[humble yacht]

It makes sense that the range would be a function of gravemind size, but id still like to know exact numbers

And also how slipspace factors in

[gilded mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[idle lintel]

yeah the flood is advanced af

certainly arent restricted by bs sentient sentimental bs’s

and limitations

in Halo 2 grave mind just ftl teleports Chief and Arbi into different locations in real time. i mean just wow

simple story leading.

nothin remarkable

[spark valley]

fate had us meet as foes...

[idle lintel]

yeah...

fate

[spark valley]

you didnt continue the line :(

[idle lintel]

But this ring will make us brothers. money is fate if anyone wanna know.

[lilac lava]

Yo can someone explain halo ce story

[idle lintel]

This ones containtment...

[spark valley]

and this ones great journey

[idle lintel]

are the same :/

[spark valley]

play the game lol

[lilac lava]

I did

[untold wasp]

green man with blue girl fights aliens on a thin donut in space

[lilac lava]

She isnt blue

She multicolored

Sometimes purple

[grave pollen]

What’s the best way to upload videos here

Got a question about it

[idle lintel]

i dont think its allowed

[spark valley]

#471727324895641651 ?

[spark valley]

well what was confusing

[idle lintel]

all zhe meme stuff is already gone too crazy

[grave pollen]

I have a lore question but want to upload a video

[lilac lava]

Like wtf is 343 guilty spark

Like is there a robot race

[spark valley]

monitor of installation 04

[lilac lava]

This my first halo

[spark valley]

"Robot" AI created by the forerunners to tend to Installation 04

[untold wasp]

i thought he was on 04

[spark valley]

every ring afaik has one

[spark valley]

sorry its 4

[lilac lava]

Why didn't they introduce the forerunners in ce

[idle lintel]

why not find out stuff about something else?

[spark valley]

For some reason I was thinking of Penitent Tangent

[spark valley]

mystery

[lilac lava]

Wdym

[idle lintel]

there are better stuff in life to care about. than the lore story of some game stuff

[lilac lava]

Forerunners this foreeunners that but they not in the game

[spark valley]

They're all dead (mostly)

[gilded mason]

Because they were dead

Beat me to it

[idle lintel]

i like the idea that the covenant was right in Halo

[lilac lava]

?

[spark valley]

what

[lilac lava]

Huh

They killing humans

[spark valley]

covenant are dead wrong, their religion is a sham

[idle lintel]

and the ring activation killed most life but some was transcended into a different realm like the librarian lives in a virtual or what reality in halo 4

[spark valley]

The Great Journey is a lie!

[lilac lava]

Oh

[idle lintel]

and in that world its paradise since they can do anything

no scarcity like a forge mode

[spark valley]

isnt she basically just a smart hologram

[idle lintel]

and the monitors knew nothing about that

[lilac lava]

Im still on halo ce and the flood seems worse than the covenant cause they wanna destroy the universe

[idle lintel]

i dont know maybe but even if...

Cortana talks about such stuff in Halo 4

being a hologram basically

[spark valley]

I mean I guess so? The Covenant wanted to eliminate all life in the galaxy as well. The Flood wants to assimilate all into itself.

[lilac lava]

So the flood is just a more disgusting covenant

[spark valley]

No

[idle lintel]

the flood is the last precursor

[spark valley]

The Flood don't want the rings to be activated either

[idle lintel]

maybe

yeah but if the flood can ftl to anywhere...

why care...

[lilac lava]

why doesnt master chief just destroy the ring

[idle lintel]

you just ftl out from the galaxy or the range of the Halos

and even so one of the rings were destroyed

so in that place the flood can survive

[spark valley]

he... did? Didnt you play the game?

[lilac lava]

Yeah im on the last level

Ce laso

[grave pollen]

Obvious troll

[lilac lava]

so ive seen every cutscene like 10 times

[spark valley]

Did you finish it?

[lilac lava]

No i just started

THE MAW

[spark valley]

Also first Halo game and you did LASO? I call BS

[idle lintel]

so maybe the Halo rings do more since Halo rings dont desteoy the flood

[lilac lava]

Want proof?

[idle lintel]

they destroy all life except the flood

[lilac lava]

Ill send screenshot in dms

[idle lintel]

and no biomass remains

and no food

[spark valley]

the rings do destroy the flood as well though

[grave pollen]

Question… how can this guy in the end of the video Breathe? https://www.xbox.com/play/media/TP2LNALK

[idle lintel]

no minds to absorb

so maybe the rings transform life to a pralel verse?

[gilded mason]

Private video

[fast falcon]

No they actually kill the flood too by killing all their biomass, anything with a neural system really

[idle lintel]

or to some Tron virtual reality

[lilac lava]

The flood are dumb

[idle lintel]

or just jumps in paralel verses where their world can fit in and thats it

and the covenant was right

[grave pollen]

Hmm that’s weird I have sharing on

[grave pollen]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/TP2LNALK

[idle lintel]

yeah this neural system stuff in Halo

its a cool idea...

its a good thing to exist. its sad that life is so weird now in human society

and to think and feel is also cool

[gilded mason]

Was able to watch it now. What question did you have?

[grave pollen]

How is he able to breathe in space… isn’t it an exposed area?

Maybe just design oversight lol

[spark valley]

its shielded

[grave pollen]

Ahh

[gilded mason]

Oh. Yeah, I'll just go with "shield"

[grave pollen]

lol

[spark valley]

the clip wont load anymore, I was gonna highlight where you could see the shield

[grave pollen]

Weird, I think Xbox share is acting up

Thanks tho

[idle lintel]

so if you focus hard enough u csn realize your thoughts flow trough you as an effect to stimuli and such and mostly you cant suppres it when you get a thought in your brain by some stimuli and you have ideas and such self expression. almost like a self narrator

[spark valley]

see that blue shimmery stuff? That's the shield

No image perms

[lilac lava]

the clips works for me

[grave pollen]

Ah yes

[spark valley]

hang on

[grave pollen]

Hmm

[grave pollen]

Deep

[spark valley]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518313156230250517/932787546231013396/unknown.png

[idle lintel]

so all the madness of the world

can be explained

[grave pollen]

Ah I thought that was a nebula

[idle lintel]

its hrd af but if people can cope just a little and make good decisions in their present time based on good past experiences and influences

[lilac lava]

Its impossible

[idle lintel]

the world csn be butterfly effected out from the bs before its too late ajd humanity goes ramptant like an Ai

[spark valley]

In your defense they use the same shimmer effect on the forerunner pylon in the middle of that room.

[idle lintel]

just a little awareness

[spark valley]

but yes, it has a shielded "hangar" door

[lilac lava]

Why are the warthogs so weak and flimsy if the story takes place in 2525

[spark valley]

CE takes place in 2552

[lilac lava]

Even worse the humans have trash gear

[spark valley]

yeah?

[lilac lava]

they have bad vehicles garbage weapons

[spark valley]

kinda why they nearly lose

[idle lintel]

and choosing not to be a too nihilistic ruinous sour souls

Halo is perfect

all Halo games are perfect

[lilac lava]

Why dont they just clone the master chief

[grave pollen]

Got any more shower thoughts

[idle lintel]

yeah good question even one is too dangerous i guess

[spark valley]

cloning tech is not good enough

[idle lintel]

and Oni fears Chief goes i am the Emperor

and decides to be a king

and take bs into his own hands

[lilac lava]

This one dude does lierally everything

[idle lintel]

they even placed himin cryo

its sad

[spark valley]

Clones develop sickness pretty soon after they are cloned. Watch the anime short story Homecoming from Halo Legends

[idle lintel]

i think that is intentional Halo humans able to clone without issues

[spark valley]

what

[idle lintel]

having that sickness issues only if needed since it was for a reason they did that in Halo lore

[valid hemlock]

huh

[fast falcon]

Tbf he’s just the only Spartan on the Halo, they had about 30 active Spartan IIs at the start of the war

[idle lintel]

but if they want a clone to live longer im sure they could clone one like that. same as they could give Ai’s more life span

since they abducted people, changed them into a clone programmed to die

and thats it. kinda sad

[spark valley]

Not programmed to die, just that they conveniently will die.

[idle lintel]

halo legends is cool i liked that episode

its sad to be not human and too be hard and cruel

like the original Halo spartans

[lilac lava]

Oh the halo stretches across the galaxy

[idle lintel]

its hard in real life too. to cope with life and really not to feel good emotions anymore

[fast falcon]

No it doesn’t, it’s only like 10,000km in diameter

[lilac lava]

I thought it was an object at first

[spark valley]

they are

[fast falcon]

Well it’s a structure that’s capable of supporting life, which counts as an object

[idle lintel]

there are multiple Halo rings

[fast falcon]

Albeit an incredibly sophisticated one

[idle lintel]

each covers a radius location

combined they cover most of the milky way galaxy

but thats it

[lilac lava]

On mission 2 the halo goes around the planet and on keys i think cortana says that the flood are close to having the halo

[idle lintel]

its kinda bs that this was their solution

[spark valley]

Not really

[idle lintel]

and i like the idea that the foreruners just went to a different plane of reality maybe a better timeline or uploaded their minds like the prometheans and didact stuff

[spark valley]

a thousand other methods were tried and all failed

[idle lintel]

since the composer or what and such in the lore

prometheans and the librarian

and maybe the forerunners living finr since and they wanted them to stop the activation since they dont want others there

and the covenant was right xd

[gilded mason]

Is this just an alternate universe thing you're doing, or do you think that actually happened?

[spark valley]

Prometheans for one, also the 7 Halo rings we know are the "Mark 2", there was 10 original ones as well

[fast falcon]

12 actually

[spark valley]

It was 12?