lore-and-universe

[tacit charm]

apparently not

oy

envoy

pretty much confirms cov ships are relatively in megatons

tks asteroid and "being stressed" line

also ill bring this up before anyone else does

[versed helm]

Lmao yeah, scared by ODPs.

More like leading a recon fleet with little amount of support.

[tacit charm]

dont use encyclopaedia numbers those numbers literally came form fandom

[versed helm]

The duty was to take distance.

[tacit charm]

why didnt it attack the odp then huh

^

[versed helm]

That was the duty of the invasion fleet.

If the CSO wanted, it would get rekt the ODPs, no problem.

Don't make dumb assumptions.

[tacit charm]

it was also to look for forerunner stuff and glory in battle

so why not take out the odps or at least the one up above sword base

[versed helm]

The task wasn't invade, the task was spectate.

[tacit charm]

^

[versed helm]

wait that reminds me of something

[tacit charm]

why not take out the odps surely they would have not only made your job easier but ya know you just took out an odp

[unique rune]

all of this number-crunchy who would win stuff makes me irrationally angry

[ornate hawk]

tbf you're both right

[tacit charm]

you know the fun part havent even gone through half the sources i have in my doc

[versed helm]

Hey, how many tons the Reach's ODPs have?

[gilded mason]

Saaaaaame

[tacit charm]

wdym by ton

[tacit charm]

:C

[versed helm]

Explosive.

[gilded mason]

=)

[ornate hawk]

LNOS was sent by the Covenant to get the initial scale of human defenses at Reach and land the initial invasion, but yeah the Shipmaster personally was more interested in recovering the forerunner artifacts for his own gain

[tacit charm]

51 gigatons

[versed helm]

P o w e r .

[ornate hawk]

i would assume Reach’s ODPs are the same as Earth’s

[tacit charm]

you would think

but no

[ornate hawk]

unless the UNSC has different classes of defense platforms

[tacit charm]

tks warfleet

and h2 terminals

[versed helm]

huh, 51 gigatons, what do I feel like there's less when the ODP impacts the corvette in the cinematic?

why would that be?

[tacit charm]

in reach?

ye

[versed helm]

the explosion looks so small on a 900 meters long

lxmao

a 950 meters long vessel

which was rekt by a volley of missiles from a missile launcher

[ornate hawk]

well after all it is just a corvette, don’t need to charge the mac as much as you would to pierce through a battle cruiser or assault carrier

[tacit charm]

honestly artistic licence since well gl explaining why nobel is still alive

[versed helm]

Reach is all a mess as we know.

[tacit charm]

or maybe it fired at a lower velocity which is actually what's shown

[versed helm]

Well yeah.

[tacit charm]

though if taken the cutscene at face value that is indeed the most pathetic ship in the cov

[versed helm]

The thing is the Infinity will make great damage against a CSO but I don't think enough to destroy it, after all ODPs only make holes and inner explosions that don't make great damage.

[tacit charm]

no

it'll destroy it

[versed helm]

Actually the frigates are pathetic.

[versed helm]

Hm yes it all would blow up.

N a h .

[tacit charm]

well ye kinda

[versed helm]

Only way it could is hitting the reactor.

Which wouldn't even destroy it.

It would cripple it.

And even crippled it can deliver heavy damage.

[tacit charm]

again shipmaster cowered away by reach odps

and again

[versed helm]

Doesn't really matter.

[tacit charm]

^

[versed helm]

Which is, totally wrong.

When it said it scared the shipmaster? N e v er .

[tacit charm]

i mean

why didnt engage the odp then

it's not unreasonably to say that shipmaster knew he his ship cannot take the punch

[versed helm]

Cause it wasn't his task.

[tacit charm]

it's not an unreasonable assumption

his task was collect any forerunner mcguffins and while on it also seek glory or something along the lines of that in battle

[versed helm]

Ground battles.

Also, why take the risk of losing crew when facing a dozen of ODPs?

[tacit charm]

there's also the fact he was also worried because of no glory in battle

[versed helm]

The ship is for sure gonna destroy them all, but that doesn't mean no casualties from their side.

Which is the point with the CSO vs the Infinity.

It's going to be heavily damaged and crippled in a section.

But the Infinity will be destroyed by the hordes of torpedoes.

Or even easier, use the energy projectors.

Those things would rip apart the ship and cut it in half.

But anyways, each with their opinions.

[tacit charm]

that's assuming the cso even has a chance to launch their torpedoes

[versed helm]

Of course it has, considering that a MAC has little charging time.

The CSO will already have deployed a barrage of torpedos.

[tacit charm]

also depending on fleet battles a ccs does actually have 1 megaton shields

[versed helm]

what

it takes 5 rounds to overcharge that ship's shielding

bang

That's why a formation of frigates is extremely useful.

However, it's a bit unknown how the CCS would react after the shielding goes down and several rounds impact through it's hull.

That's why, also, UNSC ships target the sides of these massive vessels. The frontal hull is thicc

t h i c c

a s h e l l

[tacit charm]

tks fleet battles for stating not only stating what formation (the ones that uses macs the most often) but the paris frigate which has an output of 64 kt

[versed helm]

However, targetting the sides kinda expose them to cannon fire.

[tacit charm]

also not to mention envoy again where that heavy cruiser (heavy cruiser is stronger than a cruiser remember that) got badly damaged by megatons of ke

[versed helm]

Which reminds me how weak corvettes and frigates are, the Sahara easily destroys three SDVs.

d e d

sad thing somehow it blew up

which is

a h o w

h o w i t b l e w u p

[tacit charm]

next time doent engage that close

it's space

[versed helm]

The Corvette is armed with several cannons and mortars, and that's it.

Which is plasma.

Torpedos make kaboom inside a ship, which is reason why UNSC ships blow.

But a cannon and a mortar? Nah fam.

[tacit charm]

depends where it's hitting

[versed helm]

Those things melt from the outside and boil the armor.

It would require some rounds to reach the inside.

you know what is more OP

[tacit charm]

also surprised no one i talk to about cov feats bring this up but in fall of reach a plasma torpedo can actually travel 50% the speed of light

ofc

this is never brought up again in lore

[gilded mason]

Neat. 📸

[tacit charm]

i mean if it took more than a minute that frigate was dead no matter what

[versed helm]

hmmmmmm

HMMMM

Well if that's the case it's never used, another incosistency.

Lore always have inconsistencies.

[tacit charm]

sure

[versed helm]

Chad Let'Volir evaded a hundred torpedos with amazing manevours.

Anyways, Fortress-Class Vessels for the win.

[tacit charm]

except weirdly macs do have some consistencies with them heck even when 343 took over they still had consistencies (ignore encyclopaedia cause that load of krap is full of fandom stuff)

[versed helm]

Halopedia is my main source.

cause chad

[tacit charm]

books and games are my main source

got all the books needed to look into macs

[versed helm]

Halopedia grabs all that info and puts it into an internet web page.

[tacit charm]

halopedia didnt say the heavy cruiser and cov destroyers got wiped out by 210 megaton

well

they kinda did

[versed helm]

cause that info is of doubt thanks to incosistencies

[tacit charm]

by they left the whole 210 megatons cause that cite dont like numbers

[versed helm]

if every writer followed it then for sure halopedia would add it

[tacit charm]

again not really

there is some rather odd consistencies with macs

[versed helm]

Consistencies are added, inconsistencies aren't.

[tacit charm]

now i need to look into divine wind, all ik about spirit of fire macs is that it's 100% <50,000km/s

[tacit charm]

i mean they dont add the strength multiplier for Mjolnir

like outside one source the numbers have been consistence

also

[versed helm]

T h e y d o .

I remember when reading the components of the MJOLNIR it added it in the piezo-electric thing.

[tacit charm]

they did at some point have 51 gigatons for the smacs (technically they still do though you'll have to do the math for it)

i meant 2x, 5x strength multiplier stuff not the general info

checked two weeks ago and there's no mention of mark 4 to 5 having a 2x strength multiplier

same with mark 6 for 5x

[vast edge]

Halo takes place in a futuristic setting but The Streets map looks like any modern city

[ember veldt]

You know what has bothered me for a long time?

How they always show the Pelican, a Troop Transport/Helicopter-like support gunship performing craft-to-craft and anti-ship missions etc. and all that, instead of the all the SPECIFIC aircraft/ships they have for those roles.
It always looks so weird that they have the Pelican (and it's models) picking fights with Banshees, Liches, Phantoms etc. and not like the Shortsword, Saber etc.

[versed helm]

Saber is expensive, and only a few hundreds were produced, it's a 'best of the best' exo-atmospheric ship. Similar with the Broadsword, but the Broadsword is less expensive, mass produced and commonly used, it's still exo-atmospherical ship.

The thing is that we got no ship to do craft-to-craft and anti-ship operations.

The Nightingale can be fitted with weaponry as seen with the Frost-Raven, but it's less resistant.

The Falcon is a fast deployment chopper, cheap for the Army, easy to deploy small groups of troops in operations.

Also little resistance.

The Hornet is similar, little resistance too.

More a combat chopper.

The Albatross ain't made for any of these roles.

It's a heavy duty craft.

The Longsword is fast as hell but big as hell, not good for low altitude duties unless it's bombardment.

[unique rune]

There's also just the whole issue of games being games and development has to make cuts due to getting priorities straight

[versed helm]

The shortsword is also insanely fast, which enters the Longsword category.

Then we got the Pelican and it's Condor variant.

Very resistant ships, can pack a big arsenal, they are fast at the same time.

It's a multi-role craft.

The problem here is not using the already-made ships the UNSC has, it's that we need ones that are useful for these aspects.

Take also in count the Covenant vehicles like the banshee, the phantom, the spirit and other few are slow in combat.

The dropships are dropships, can't be gunships, the gunboat is not even a good gunship thanks to how low it goes + not enough weaponry.

The opponents of the UNSC use the same vehicles as the UNSC.

So no need to make new ones to battle the copies.

The result, no need to make another project to make a fighter for this, since nobody else will be using it by multiple reasons ( Velocity, cost, etc. ) and it will end being an exo-atmospherical fighter doing the same as the Longsword, or ending doing similar duties as the Shortsword.

A waste of money.

It was Bungie's initial fault as they didn't make the lore to adapt to this kind of vehicles.

And rather went with insanely fast or slow vehicles.

You are either fast as hell, capable of being used in space, or slow as hell, capable of doing great ground duties.

The pelican and the condor are a mix of the two.

[sleek ingot]

😋 🍿

[unique rune]

The more I think about it I just can't come up with many actual cases where Pelicans are really purposefully sent to deal with other enemy aircraft

[versed helm]

Result: easier to use a mass produced vehicle that is very resistant, can do many roles and have a big arsenal at any time.

[sleek ingot]

The main Troop Carrier can't deal with enemy aircraft easily. Due to its size as a troop carrier.

[unique rune]

Like most of the time they're just there to drop troops off or pick them up but they still encounter enemy forces anyway and the chin gun isn't just there for decoration

[versed helm]

I think the raven would have been a good idea but it looks as a fast jet and would go faster than the slower Covenant dropships.

[sleek ingot]

Chin gun is used to clear light infantry on ground primarily.

[versed helm]

Only useful against them from the distance.

[unique rune]

I mean, yeah, I know what the Pelican is for and what its weapons are for, it's just that the argument from earlier alleges that Halo media depicts Pelicans as frequently being used specifically to fight off other aircraft when it's not really true

How they always show the Pelican, a Troop Transport/Helicopter-like support gunship performing craft-to-craft and anti-ship missions etc. and all that, instead of the all the SPECIFIC aircraft/ships they have for those roles.
Like this hardly ever happens in any of the games or other media

Pelicans get stuck fighting other craft because of circumstance, not because the UNSC intentionally goes "lmao let's just throw them at Covenant aircraft"

[sleek ingot]

Yeah. UNSC has limited aerially capable vehicles to combat say Banshee's / Seraphs.

[woeful niche]

Should i read Harvest book or Fall of reach book first?

I was thinking of reading Harvest first since its where we see covenant for the first time apperently

[grim shore]

It's up to you. Timeline wise harvest is first but FOR is still one of the best books in the series.

And first published.

I'm going to recommend Harvest simply because I highly recommend the flood and first strike. To follow FOR.

[grave pollen]

I finished Halo Reach for the first time today, it was amazing

I’ve only played Halo 1, 2, 3, ODST, Reach. Was it ever explained why humanity was at war with the covenant in the first place?

[near tide]

Yes

Boils down to prophets misinterpreting forerunner stuff and deciding to wipe humans out

[grave pollen]

Interesting

Also, why was there weirdness between Jorge and Halsey? Was that ever explained?

[near tide]

Halsey created the spartan 2 program and helped raise them, basically as a mother figure to them

Jorge is a spartan 2

[grave pollen]

Thanks…. That was never explained in the games, the ones I’ve played at least

[fluid rain]

Im jealous, how much did you enjoy it?

[grave pollen]

It was amazing - loved the music and the varied levels

[versed helm]

What I’d give to replay it again for the first time

I feel that way about a lot of games.

But especially Halo.

And Black Mesa.

yeah Jorge and the other Spartan II's were literally mothered by Halsey

in the worst ways possible

but Jorge is probably more attached if he was taken at a younger age idk

might be wrong

Spartan II program gets explained in 4 but is done pretty badly and never gets brought up again

Infinite does it pretty well

[burnt pulsar]

I mean all spartan II’s were taken at a young age Chief for example was 6 when he was kidnapped

[versed helm]

yes but he still has memory of his past life

however faint they are

some probably didn't

[burnt pulsar]

Watching or reading the Fall Of Reach is better though for explanation

[versed helm]

definitely 100%

i meant game wise though

[burnt pulsar]

But the games don’t really have a consistent source of data unlike the books/comics

[versed helm]

yes

i agree

especially with the heavy retconning of Halo 4

and 5 kinda

[unique rune]

...Retconning?

[versed helm]

a lot of things were changed and just forgotten about

they were relevant in books kinda

[burnt pulsar]

I’m honestly fine with 4 and 5 not existing

[versed helm]

eh

i liked a lot of 4's story

[unique rune]

I mean they haven't changed much.

[versed helm]

it could've been handled better

a lot of good potential was there

[unique rune]

Infinite's campaign is pretty reliant on stuff that happened in 4 and 5 so it'd be weird to just pretend they didn't exist.

Like it directly addresses events from those games, even if it does swiftly bring an end to a lot of the things started in 5.

[versed helm]

i dont disagree with that, never have. I'm just saying that at the time, a lot of things were changed and kind of taken out of the plot for Halo 4

[unique rune]

Like...?

[versed helm]

GEN2 armor being used for beginning Spartan II's, Cortana's rampancy being a part of aging AI and not the Gravemind tampering with her, and a majority of the Halo 3 terminals

first one isn't necessarily a retcon but more of an inconsistency

and the flood feels completely left out of Halo 4 and 5

[unique rune]

I mean, quite frankly I'm glad they weren't in either game. They didn't need to be in there to mess up the finale that Halo 3 claims to be and further muddle up factions and character interactions.

[versed helm]

it felt like there weren't really any direct consequences from the flood. they caused massive damage

i get that the Prometheans were a result of the flood in the late Forerunner era but i wish that could get elaborated on more

i wish a lot of things in Halo 4 were built off of more instead of put in books

also

off topic

also are minor Infinite spoilers allowed here?

[unique rune]

I mean I imagine 343 would've liked to finish off a lot more of the things Halo 4 started in the games but people cried about 4's campaign "not making sense without the books" and they panicked and overreacted.

Anyway, yes, I believe spoilers for Infinite's campaign are permitted here.

[versed helm]

did Jun die when rampant Cortana blew up the ship he was supposed to be on?

he was on that same ship in New Blood when Buck became a Spartan right?

[unique rune]

For all we know, it's possible that he died when Laconia Station was destroyed, yeah.

But we also don't know enough about what he was doing at the time so it's equally possible that he somehow might've made it off the station before then.

[ornate hawk]

Jorge was also taken at 6, all the Spartan II's were

[versed helm]

were they? i thought it was just "around 6"

[ornate hawk]

the thing with Jorge tho was while the Spartans were trained on reach, he was actually born there and it was truly his home

so being more compassionate than the other spartans, yes he did have stronger feelings towards Halsey in terms of seeing her as a mother and the Covenant invading reach in general because he was fighting for his true home

[fast falcon]

Some Spartans have varying opinions of Halsey tho, John and Jorge being among the group that’s devoted to her, but there’s a few who dislike her

[near tide]

Kelly dislikes her

Or maybe Linda

[fast falcon]

Serin hates her

[near tide]

Serin isn’t really a spartan

[ruby finch]

Most spartans look at halsey as a mother figure

[near tide]

She’s a washout iirc

I don’t remember exactly why

Pretty sure from augmentation but she isn’t disabled

[unique rune]

Her augmentations didn't take and she was crippled but ONI was able to rehabilitate her.

[versed helm]

it feels like most spartan III's hate her though lmao

[unique rune]

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the reason Serin hates Halsey is because of Parangosky conditioning her to do that.

[near tide]

The 3s barely know her

[versed helm]

yeah i know, mostly joking because of Reach

[ebon condor]

I genuinely can’t imagine 343 killing jun like that. They know how profitable Reach nostalgia is, so eliminating the possibility of him coming back in anything probably isn’t the route they’re gonna take

[dreamy bone]

Do you guys think the flood are on zeta halo?

[untold wasp]

i think all (or most) of the original rings have them

[gilded mason]

In stasis, sure

[dreamy bone]

I wonder if there is gonna be flood dlc in infinite

[gilded mason]

I doubt it

[dreamy bone]

Would be cool to see a continuation of the flood tho 😦

[ornate hawk]

they're on every halo ring

theyre on almost every forerunner installation for that matter

[dreamy bone]

I guess what I should have said is are they gonna make another appearance on zeta halo

[ornate hawk]

only if the containment shield is breached

im certain with both the UNSC and Banished having encounters with the flood they know better than to lower the shield lmao

[dreamy bone]

Yea but there is always some overconfident brute that wants to breach the containment

[ruby finch]

wasn't there a flood silyx near where the harbinger was found?

[valid hemlock]

Already happened in halo wars 2, don't think the banished would make the same mistake twice

[vernal ocean]

Jorge alive

[pale zenith]

They have a Jun reference

In Infinite

Pretty sure they know the value

Nostalgia wise

[strong coral]

Facebook conspiracy theories

[split heron]

yeah his atoms are still around

[pale zenith]

😭

[strong coral]

Lol

[burnt pulsar]

There is one but it has its own place and it’s not near the Harbinger’s

[ruby finch]

yes

but that could mean something

as you have to g off the beaten path

to find it

[burnt pulsar]

Yea and the ring is constantly scanning it or doing something like that

[celest token]

Is this infinite lore or-?

[ornate hawk]

all lore

[celest token]

-cries in only has free multiplayer-

Of infinite

[last anchor]

Presumably keeping it secured in a time-lock if I had to guess.

Or rather, multi-stage timelock

[bronze perch]

The flood should be appearing in future dlc I think

[spring lodge]

They 100% will

[fair hazel]

I’d like to see flood vs prometheans

[stiff robin]

Just finished the main story, the only thing that's infinite is my disappointment

[covert dawn]

I found the ending very offensive

Some might say I'm even biased

[edgy tendon]

I liked the ending it was a bit like halo 2, it gave us enough but left the story open for more DLC and introduced a new species what we know little about, kinda like in the OG halos when we new very little about the forunners, I do hope that we get more in DLC but I also want some DLC not related to the main game (but like a arbiter DLC for example)

[amber kraken]

it medicated me, but i am also biased. medicated bias so to say 😄

but in all honesty, the ending and story was meh. Gameplay and worldbuilding is good. but those 3 things u can do on the open map? why even have one than? no repeatable stuff to do. The story was too splintered imo

[covert dawn]

The logic of medication is sound, especially for a plague

[covert dawn]

They just cut too many things that would've really fleshed out the world

Hopefully we see a lot of that return for dlc

[amber kraken]

yea. I hope so too. But in all honesty? seeing the MP problems (online shop, desync, little content and the drought of content in the campaign it's just flabbergasting me how they thought it was a good idea to release the game now. Cyberpunk release is one year old 😄

[covert dawn]

Microsoft pressuring them probably had to do with it, atleast they got an extra year but even then it's sad to see how much content we're waiting on

[amber kraken]

the base system as in gameplay, engine etc is okay it seems (even though I heard some problems with resource management from the engine)

it is true, i didn't even watch any "cut content" videos, because they are all 10-15 mins long 😄

makes me sad

[covert dawn]

The map was gonna be hugeeeeee

Other biomes like snow included too

[amber kraken]

I've seen a screenshot of a snow hog

[covert dawn]

I really wanna see dlc take us to different settings tho like sanghelios, ark, earth, etc

[covert dawn]

I think there was a jazware fig of a white marine that could work as snow camo

[amber kraken]

my main thing is, I want to have the Spirit in the main game, now that they discontinued Halo Wars

[covert dawn]

They were in a book recently so i would love to see the crew show up again, reinforcements lead by blue team to help the zeta survivors

Theoretically the ark could help them find where zeta slipspaced to

[amber kraken]

would also make a plausible explaination to extend game play features. imagine spellforce in space. You order a FOB getting build in front of u in FPS

my main theory would be, that zeta halo will jump to the ark for emergency lockdown and repair

[covert dawn]

I would also love if you could order a squad of marines around and get vehicles/troops delivered to your location by pelican. Have a huge army with you storming a banished base hw style

[amber kraken]

yea. I even went on I thought it through on a concept level. I would even go so far to implement coop and MP together

[covert dawn]

Playing as your spartan reach style in coop would be cool

[amber kraken]

oh yea. would be so cool

[balmy helm]

Master Chief and Meowing Chief

[amber kraken]

is MCPO the abbreviation for Master Chief or Meowing Chief now?

[burnt pulsar]

Wait flood vs endless that could be the next DLC we could be using the flood to kill the Endless

[glacial oracle]

The DLCs will need to be sufficiently far in length to adequately cover any Flood or Endless introduction. Which is my only concern with DLCs

[slim thorn]

So does this mean Installation 07 has more prison than any other installations?

[hollow fulcrum]

Why did ONI think experimenting with the Flood was a good idea?

[versed helm]

@eternal temple near the end of halo 5 campaign you help the Arbiter in his civil war and in doing so we see him twords the end with lovke Halsey and cheif

So if the flood is on 07 in Sylaxs then would that mean anyone could let them free and have a outbreak occur

[unique rune]

Because it’s something even the Covenant fear and potentially could’ve been useful in the war for survival humanity was stuck in.

Kinda important to remember they didn’t necessarily have a full perspective of what the Flood are the way that we do.

[versed helm]

Please Let us see more flood in the future it be nice to see what 343 can do with them and what new variations of them would look like with infinite

||isn't it said that A few precursors were contained on Zeta halo?||

[eternal temple]

ooook

I think I gotta play Halo 5 again

[versed helm]

Yes u do........

[alpine harbor]

perfect time for chief and arbiter moment but they didnt do it smh

[edgy tendon]

Not precursors but there was flood gravemind

Think they were Protograveminds

[versed helm]

Tbh just want to fight the flood in infinite badly

[untold wasp]

the library pt.2

[burnt pulsar]

Yes they were proto Graveminds

[burnt pulsar]

I mean ODST was technically a DLC for 3

[glacial oracle]

It was supposed to be a DLC before they decided to turn it into a full fledged game. Since we are implying its a DLC they aren't the same

[tacit charm]

considering intergalactic flood hasn't been resolved or even touched upon yet they could come back in the near future (unless 343 just drops that plotline then wow what a great pay off and what a way to make the flood look really dumb)

[burnt pulsar]

I mean they could just re use assets from H2A

Those were decent flood looks

[versed helm]

In Hw2 We had a new flood form seeing new varieties of flood would give a bit more to being cautious when fighting them

[split heron]

They were jumping and grappling the banished like crazy in that cutscene bruhhhh

[versed helm]

... ik

It was a new variation of flood

[tacit charm]

last time i checked halo wars 2 doesnt have any assets for a fully fledge gravemind and/or keymind

[prime creek]

Hey so why didn't the Forerunners just send an army of robots or something after the Flood? Or do something to keep metal and technology between them and their tentacled Foe? Cause we know Flood can't consume or control anything that's not organic without controlling it manually. Were the Flood just too powerful by that point after eating most of humanity, too widespread to avoid entirely?

[unique rune]

They tried it a few times but they were never effective enough. Didn’t get any better after Mendicant Bias turned against them.

[burnt pulsar]

Not halo wars 2 halo 2 anniversary

[amber kraken]

also logic plagues

[burnt pulsar]

Logic plague go brrrrrrrrrrrrr

[amber kraken]

all those sentinels and ancillas are mine

[main rivet]

The lesson of the Forerunner-Flood War isn't really that the Flood are unstoppable, it's that the Flood were a crisis the Forerunners writ large were not prepared for. They were fractured and having personal power struggles instead of dealing with the threat. A giant swarm of robots or whatever would have been good to fight the Flood (that's basically what the Ur-Didact realized), but their reliance on their technology and lack of focus on the bigger pictured doomed them.

[tacit charm]

cause star roads go brrrrt

[agile zodiac]

Aight

Anyone know what happened on the Ark between The Spirit of Fire and The Banished between Halo Wars 2 and Infinite?

[gilded mason]

Divine Wind details it

[agile zodiac]

No idea what that is.

[gilded mason]

A book

Basically, the Keepers of the One Freedom go through the portal back to the Ark that Atriox used to leave it, and they become involved in a 3-way war between them+Covenant "allies" vs the Banished vs the SoF

[agile zodiac]

All I know is when we last left off in Halo Wars 2 Captain Cutter had ripped Atriox a new one before The Banished got trapped on the Ark with The Flood.

[agile zodiac]

Oh right right right.

Didn't that also end up with the SoF destroying a Forerunner Ancilla?

Something along those lines.

[gilded mason]

Yeah, the SoF and Keepers destroyed Intrepid Eye

[agile zodiac]

I assume that still means there are Banished on the Ark and that they are now in conflict with The Flood, The Spirit, and The Keepers now.

[gilded mason]

Yup, a fairly large presence still

And the Keepers are now down to...two people.

[agile zodiac]

Hmm

Hopefully the Spirit of Fire gets tied in eventually. Especially if Infinite gets a Flood related DLC.

Since the Spirit of Fire probably has the soldiers with the most experience fighting the Flood.

That and most of them are ODSTs, which adds to the cool factor and the fact that they were entirely missing in Infinite.

[quick slate]

I hope the flood arent as annoying as they were in previous titles

[agile zodiac]

I personally wouldn't mind. Especially if they do the Flood like they did in Halo Wars 2.

I never really found lack of ammo to be an issue in Infinite. Would be a nice change of pace if a Flood DLC changed that.

Especially since we still have things like the Grappleshot and Thrusters to make it work.

Use the thrusters to dodge a flood whip and then counter.

[mental radish]

Maybe introduce the repulser with the Flood DLC

I feel like the way you described them would work well with repulsors

Swarm of infection forms and then just boosh

Pancake x14

[agile zodiac]

There's a lot of stuff that should come with DLC.

The classic Shotgun, the Brute Shot, the Spartan Laser, the SMG, the classic Magnum, etc.

I personally say you can't have the Flood without the classic shotgun and the smg.

[mental radish]

I want to see more vehicle variants

[quick slate]

Flood with grapple, my god.

[agile zodiac]

Imagine if we got the Halo Wars Sparrowhawk.

[mental radish]

The scrapped content looks very interesting

Like Ecsharums Wraith

[agile zodiac]

The Gremlin.

[mental radish]

And the Gauss hog

[quick slate]

Isnt the Gauss Hog in HW2 as an upgrade though?

[agile zodiac]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Mantis or the Colossus show up again.

[agile zodiac]

Yes.

[mental radish]

I think

They should add coop first

On the scorpion run mission

[quick slate]

I miss the older sandbox

[mental radish]

Imagine a full scorpion and a full Wraith

Oh the chaos that would be caused

[quick slate]

2 Razorbacks + Marines + Volatile Skewers/Arcane Sentinel Beam

[mental radish]

4 razor backs if it’s 4 player

You could have each razor have a special weapon

One vol skew, one arcane, one calcite disruptor, and one S7

Or just go all Arcane and become a CSS

[quick slate]

or dual arcane and dual skewer

[agile zodiac]

Another thing they should add.

The ability for Marines to ride on the tracks of the Scorpian.

Was so sad to find I couldn't have them do that.

[mental radish]

Do you think there is enough room on the side of a wasp for marines to hang off of?

[agile zodiac]

I know there was on the Hornet

[mental radish]

I miss hornet 😦

[agile zodiac]

Hence why the hornet is superior to the wasp

[mental radish]

There was a scrapped version of the wasp

That shot shotguns instead of machine guns

Although it’s really bad range screws it over

[quick slate]

Would be broken man

Volatile Skewers + Scorpion

[mental radish]

No

[agile zodiac]

Precisely

Battle wagon.

[mental radish]

Disruptors

Because then you still have fun shooting at the enemy

[agile zodiac]

I have a hatred for Disrupters after trying LASO

Can't wait to get thrusters and just active camo my way through the game.

[covert dawn]

The marines kept specifically running to all 4 corners of my scorpion too like they're programmed to get in position they just can't board

[frigid tiger]

Got my Ebook last week and I finished Fall of Reach and Contact Harvest so far. Really enjoying the expanded universe

[ornate hawk]

just thought about how before the elites were cast out of the covenant Jul M’dama most likely had the -ee suffix

and M’damaee is just too funny to me for some reason

[burnt pulsar]

It’s not just you I said it out loud and started cracking up

[vale tundra]

I'm writing an AU where the Neo-Communists won the Interplanetary War. Anybody have any good ideas for me to address in the story?

[burnt pulsar]

How does that have something to do with Halo?

[tacit charm]

it's very early human stuff

[vale tundra]

Interplanetary War is a part of the Halo Universe

[tacit charm]

pre pre human cov war

[burnt pulsar]

Ok I didn’t know about that stuff then

[vale tundra]

In the late 2100's

[tacit charm]

even before the insurrectionist war

[burnt pulsar]

Wait that’s almost 75 years from now oh no

[vale tundra]

Yeah, get ready for the Solar System Civil War next century

[burnt pulsar]

We are proving halo’s story outdated

We have spartan suits irl yet we haven’t colonized a planet yet

We need to restart from the last checkpoint

[valid hemlock]

I know a good one, in the end it doesn't work

[ornate hawk]

glad i’m not the only one lmao

[vale tundra]

I just want my Katuyshas plz

[frigid oracle]

maybe he made it mdamee
sounds like madame

[grave pollen]

Why does Cortana change appearance throughout the games? Halo 4 Cortana is THICC.

[frigid oracle]

no idea

just design change

[bronze dragon]

Hello to everyone today
I hope I don't bother noone with this but I'm live RN on Twitch:L2icydro if anyone still shows luv to small streamer
Sorry for not posting in the streamer page

[mental citrus]

I hope you get banned for posting this in every page.

[split glacier]

Bro he really did

[gilded mason]

lmao

[versed helm]

Lmao

[hardy light]

Bruh, wasn’t exactly a smart move

[mental citrus]

that guy is the definition of a donkey licking toaster pastry loving moa protecting grunt killing methane thief.

[burnt pulsar]

No he is the definition of a forunner that tested the a greater ring on a planet

[last anchor]

Nah, just another desperate streamer. Let em be.

[burnt pulsar]

But still going so far as to break the rules that’s just not ok

[ornate hawk]

ratio

[prime creek]

This comment is funny, because human technology and culture in Halo does seem pretty pathetically advanced compared to what you should expect 500 years from now. That's something that's always bothered me. Every sci-fi writer has a reason for why they chose the time frame they did for their story, but Halo's has never made much sense to me in that way.

I have to wonder if it's because they wanted to have enough time have passed to reasonably explain why humans are living on huge colonies across hundreds of systems

And to explain why innies have no loyalty to Earth

[unique rune]

I think Bungie just picked a number and ran with it, leaving Microsoft's writing people to try and make sense of it.

[prime creek]

Hmmm I dunno

Someone had to look at the dates chosen and go "yeah that makes sense"

It was the same writers who came up with the whole rest of the story who decided the time frame

but UNSC culture 500 years from now is basically American Marine Corps culture from now lol

[unique rune]

I mean, I would imagine Bungie picked 2552 and went "yeah that sounds future-y enough" without much additional thought, considering a whole bunch of the gaps from the early 21st century through the 26th had to be filled by stuff from the old Xbox website which I very much doubt was their doing.

[prime creek]

I have to admit I don't know what you're referring to here

[unique rune]

Microsoft Game Studios did a lot of the heavy lifting with developing Halo's wider universe.

Bungie didn't really care.

They pretty much went "that looks cool, we should do that" when making CE.

So I would not doubt in the slightest that Halo's relatively low-tech future is a product of that.

[prime creek]

Really? Dang I didn't know that

[swift atlas]

when was this server created?

[unique rune]

Then MS Game Studios writing staff like Eric Trautmann and Brannon Boren had to come up with things to justify what happened in the 500 years between the present day and the 26th century, like why human military tech hasn't gone very far.
And most of that was just written off as there being several centuries of relative peace where developing stuff for warfare just wasn't necessary.

Same place the old "800 human colonies" stat that's been stretched and somewhat reworked originally came from.

[gilded mason]

Bungie actually made note of some of the lower tech stuff in their CE commentary. Basically saying, “yeah, it probably wouldn’t be realistic for this point in time, our main objective was making it fun rather than make total sense.”

[burnt pulsar]

I mean humanity could’ve been bounced back like when the dark ages happened irl

[eternal temple]

I wanna ask a question

[cosmic zinc]

not allowed. (kidding of course)

[eternal temple]

What if there's a HALO in the real universe and it's near our earth and gets activated?

[cosmic zinc]

then we dead

we very dead

[eternal temple]

well, it affects the distance up-to 25000 light years far, right?

[cosmic zinc]

yeah

[eternal temple]

I wanna see a real HALO in this universe

not the one of Saturn

Microsoft should create that ring near earth

not the weapon one

only a show

where we can go

[burnt pulsar]

I mean we can’t really make one that fires but we can make a ringworld the only problem is we need more power, we have all the resources to do so but we need power and tons of it

Irl

[burnt pulsar]

I bet with Bill,Jeff,and Elon if they were to agree they could make one

Microsoft ain’t that rich

[eternal temple]

Microsoft is rich

they make XBoxes

[burnt pulsar]

But not that rich it costs trillions to build a part of a ring world

[eternal temple]

bruh

And in space

[burnt pulsar]

For comparison the US army only has $700B put into it

[eternal temple]

wut?!

:/

POOOOOOR

[burnt pulsar]

Not really as it is almost 3x as much as second place which is China

The US army has the most money put into it in the world

[eternal temple]

whattttt?!

[burnt pulsar]

So building a real one would be really expensive

[vagrant hamlet]

when china perfects their fusion reactor we might be able to power something of that scale by replicating the reactor

[burnt pulsar]

Yep then we can encase the sun and get even more power then we can colinize the Milky Way

It’s literally that simple halo has successfully predicted our future as a species

[tepid sinew]

Assumes a lot though

Humanity is more likely to bomb itself back to the stone age rather than form a legitimate and more useful world government

But hey, if we enter a nuclear war, at least global warming would be reversed :trollge:
Nuclear winters go brrrrr

[robust atlas]

Does the gravity hammer makes it's famous noise everytime it hits something or only with certain attacks?

[vital kernel]

probably every time it hits something

idk I’m not very good with covenant weaponry in general

[versed helm]

the entirity of all of earth working together could not make a ring world

do you understand the shere magnitude of a ringworld

you have to create something on the level of a planet with its own atmopshere, gravitational field, and crust

and with its own ocenas and contienants

in a ring shape entirly artifically

with no previous knowledge on how to make one

and it has to be somewhere away from astroids or any planets gravitational field or it will be destroyed

and you cant make it to far away or it drifts away

there is no way bill jeff or elon could make a ring world the size of a small contienant

let alone a full on one

we cant even control gravitiy in any shape or form and you think bill jeff and elon with like maybe at most 1 trillion dollars can make a entire ring world that wont just implode or have everyone on it float off the ground?

[vital kernel]

agreed

with current technology we will probably be able to build a space hotel if we had said circumstances

in fact I think they’re building one rn

but a halo ring is literally the diameter of a planet, with weather control, gravity, a breathable atmosphere

the forerunners were millions of years ahead of us technology wise

[vestal mountain]

you need to make it orbit the sun correctly, cant get to close or to far

You need to place it at the correct distance from earth and the moon

so it doesnt hit both

how will you create an artificial atmosphere?

[versed helm]

yeah you cant thats my entire point

[vestal mountain]

I can think of like 10 more points

[warm fable]

its also horribly impractical

[versed helm]

the whole point of that blob was why you cant make a ring world you illterate mole

[vestal mountain]

Ahaha illterate mole

[warm fable]

how helpful would a stupid spacering be?

[vestal mountain]

I just wanted to add to it

[warm fable]

a space rectangle would make much more sense

[vital kernel]

nah

space trapezoid

[warm fable]

true

[vital kernel]

but like honestly

why make a ring in the first place

without the galaxy destroying powers

that was really like the only good thing about them

in my opinion at least

[vestal mountain]

yeah

[vital kernel]

isn’t there a better way to have that power

[dense pulsar]

I've been rewatching Halo trailers since the 360 servers went down

I know the Deliver Hope trailer is the old Noble 6

and one of them is Carter

But whats the story behind the ODST trailer

[sleek sparrow]

I'm not sure if anyone has asked this previously, but why is there no Mk.VII GEN 2? GEN 1 is Naomi-010, but I dont see a reference or mention of GEN 2. GEN 3 is the Mk.VII core for Infinite MP, and Chiefs Infinite armor is Mk.VI GEN 3. Is this an accident due to whoever wrote the Halopedia article for Mk.VII and Mk.VI?

Nevermind I just read the entire Halopedia page😭😭

[obsidian thistle]

There is a GEN2 Mk. VII. We just never saw it.

We did see work leading off it to try and get stuff from it more standardized. (Decimator)

And we did see stuff that would later be used on GEN3 Mk. VII tested on GEN2. (Keystone)

[void brook]

ok, so i am a fairly big halo fan and i know the halo timeline fairly well, but instead of summary vids i want to expand the detail i know the "timeline". What books/ order of said books should i read them in? thx

[obsidian thistle]

Well

A timeline is a lil... hard that way

[sleek sparrow]

That depends on what topic you want to expand on.

[obsidian thistle]

Books like to well... jump around

I personally like the "series" route

That we made on Halopedia and the books have adopted!

Now if you want a place to start. The Original Series doesnt hurt

The Kilo-5 Trilogy wont hurt second.

But essentially go wild as bar a few cameos/appearances you wont hit many snags.

@void brook

[vital kernel]

alpha nine was my personal favorite

although fall of reach is hard to beat

[obsidian thistle]

Oh note: The Battle Born books are not on that list. They are canon and as with the other series read at any time.

[sleek sparrow]

Another question, does anyone know when the Prototype story from Halo Legends takes place? I haven't been able to find a date, nor a date for when the suit itself was made.

[obsidian thistle]

Circa 2549

But 343i can update that at any time

Its based on weaponry being present. And isnt the strongest way to date a event

@sleek sparrow that help?

[sleek sparrow]

@obsidian thistle yessir, still makes me wonder what it was a prototype of. I had assumed it was an early Spartan prototype, but if it was made in 2549, then the standalone suits had already been around for a while.

[obsidian thistle]

A prototype doesnt stop being a prototype if it was already suceeded by something else

Just to set the scene aha

[sleek sparrow]

True lol

[burnt pulsar]

Humanity at this point in time we already know how to
Terraform Venus
Built a thing that takes energy from the sun
Terraform Mars
Destroy Mercury for resources
So I think a small ringworld would be no problem it’s just it takes a lot of time and patience something the world doesn’t have a lot of

[warm fable]

we know how, doesnt mean we have the resources

all of those things would be expensive beyond belief

[burnt pulsar]

The thing is we do all we need to do is build mine on mercury and mars

And with SpaceX we will start having people on mars

[warm fable]

wed need ships to bring material to and fro

[burnt pulsar]

Not exactly

[warm fable]

forgot the bot blacklisted that, but mining asteroids n comets n stuff is cheaper

[burnt pulsar]

You can built railgun type of things that shoot the supplies into earths gravitational pull

[warm fable]

which would also be costly, and risky

chances are itll hit poor timmy and his family

[abstract iron]

Lmao imagine

[burnt pulsar]

But we can build drones that could collect the stuff before they fully get pulled into earth

[warm fable]

do you have any idea how much of a pain that would be?

its all dreams n high hopes but its really impractical

a ring world in its own right would be such a bad idea

[burnt pulsar]

Not exactly because if we need to a ringworld could be a giant nature preserve

[warm fable]

a small circle would probably be more practical for that purpose

both would be expensive and require a lot of material

[burnt pulsar]

Again mercury it has all the resources needed

[warm fable]

the issue is wed need to go to mercury and mine it

we dont need a ringworld, and even then where would we put it

it would probably screw up earths tides if its between the moon and earth

[burnt pulsar]

We could place it directly opposite of earths orbit so it’s like a another earth kinda

[warm fable]

...thatd still mess up earth tides

[burnt pulsar]

nuke the moon

[warm fable]

im losing my mind i give up

thatd just mess up the tides as well

and night cycles

[burnt pulsar]

Ring world that has the properties of our moon

[warm fable]

i cannot anymore

have a good day

[burnt pulsar]

Ok watch YouTube if you want answers

[warm fable]

oh my god im not listening to some idiot youtuber who, just like you, doesnt have any clue how anything you are talking about works

ok goodbye have a good day

[tacit charm]

well that was an interesting discussion

[humble yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-no-moon-obi-wan-kenobi-starwars-death-star-gif-10170550

[burnt pulsar]

Lol

But really nuking the moon would just burn it a little

[plush lark]

How op is master chief cannonly

[frigid oracle]

strong?

idk how to answer

[tacit charm]

he can carry a 50 to 100 ton boulder

and survive being hit by a two ton shield

[plush lark]

ok that sounds pretty op already

[tacit charm]

kurt cant say the same thing lol

[frigid oracle]

most spartans ^

many spartans?

idk

[plush lark]

i heard that in the games master chief is nerfed and by a lot

[tacit charm]

*shows off master chief flipping tanks in game with little to no effort while in mark 5 to 6

nerf my as

[frigid oracle]

same for arbiter tho

and dustin echoes

[tacit charm]

ye him too

[frigid oracle]

and aren'tbiter

[tacit charm]

dustin echoes survived PoA explosion in ce

[frigid oracle]

dustin echoes is better than chief

:)

[tacit charm]

yes

[void brook]

k thx will take adivce

[agile summit]

available

[versed helm]

there is no way this mf just listed kurgartz video titles as humanitys achivements

we havent done any of those things you cannot list a duck video title as a actual 100% easy to do thing for humanity

[burnt pulsar]

I’m not saying that we’ve done it I’m saying we know how to

All I’m saying that building a ring world is possible and likely in the future

[versed helm]

insane scitzophrenic ramblings

[tired terrace]

That is quite the imagination

[tacit charm]

it's possible sure, feasible? no just no

[vital kernel]

it will be possible yes

will it happen? more than likely no

a ring world is highly impractical given that we have to make a planet sized artificial structure the size of the planet

with weather controls, gravitation field, breathable atmosphere, different biomes

there would be no point in building a ring world that large if it didn’t have the galaxy destroying capabilities that the forerunners had

[burnt pulsar]

If it was a nature preserve or a prison though

[vital kernel]

a prison?

no probs not

like the UNSC has we’d just build a prison in the middle of an asteroid belt

nature preserve? maybe that very well could happen

it would have to be smaller but yes

that is definitely believable

[fast falcon]

Even then there are plenty of other stations that could do the same on a much smaller scale

[vital kernel]

yes they could

but I mean

it’d look really cool and

if its structurally sound and can support life then there’s no reason not to other than resources

[fast falcon]

At that point you could argue a ring world for any reason

[vital kernel]

of course you can

that’s why I brought it up

[vital kernel]

yes we know how to do all of that

but just because we KNOW how to do it doesn’t mean we can actually do it

we are still closing in on that kind of technology though

[burnt pulsar]

I mean a Dyson sphere just requires us to have better rockets

[vital kernel]

it would take a lot of time and resources

if we built a dyson sphere that captured 100% of the sun’s energy

we could power like

four different earths

[burnt pulsar]

And more

[vital kernel]

yeah

but it would take a lot of time and resrouces

[warm fable]

what?

[vital kernel]

like im talkin years

[serene cairn]

If UNSC stands for United Nations Space Command

then why don't the marines have blue helmets during peace time

[vital kernel]

the unsc isn’t a peacekeeping group

[warm fable]

years? itd be like half a millennia

[vital kernel]

yeah

years

[serene cairn]

But I thought it was apart of the united nations

[vital kernel]

I believe it is?

im very bad with organisations on earth

[serene cairn]

Then y no blue helmets

[vital kernel]

but it’s like

[warm fable]

i believe its just united nations of earth than the actual UN organization

[vital kernel]

oh

nice

[warm fable]

no clue though

[vital kernel]

the unsc is really just a worldwide military that spans across the galaxy

well

[serene cairn]

Ya the uge

[vital kernel]

not the entire galaxy

[warm fable]

nonetheless we dont get to see humans during peace time so who knows

isnt it literally just a small section of the orion belt?

[vital kernel]

they probably do still have peacekeeping units

[warm fable]

yeah, considering the insurgency n stuff

[vital kernel]

but during the HCW there would be only a handful

[serene cairn]

True

[vital kernel]

probably for like protecting delegates and stuff

[warm fable]

yeah

id assume most peacekeepers would be converted into soldiers for the war

[vital kernel]

yes they would

[harsh pendant]

Ok, so for someone who was born a little to late to play halo CE originally and has always been somewhat into halo, and got really into it during reach and again in infinite, what’s a quick rundown of the lesser known lore?

[vital kernel]

well there’s a lot

midnight facility, NAVSPEC

lists two things

yeah there’s a lot of lesser known stuff and it’s take days to explain them all

[harsh pendant]

Yeah, I’ve been trying for years to catch up on it all, I was born just a bit to late

[vital kernel]

watch a few hiddenxperia vids

he does really great lore videos

[warm fable]

id recommend just spending some time reading halopedia and clicking random names

ussa xellus' story is super cool

[harsh pendant]

Doesn’t bipbap go back to halo 1

[vital kernel]

yes

[warm fable]

the grunt lord is eternal

so yes

[harsh pendant]

Yeah, I know a lot about him, love him

[warm fable]

(idrk though lol)

i would 100% love a gruntvenant

no elites, no brutes

no gods, no kings

only grunts.

[harsh pendant]

He’s a new hvt in infinite, and he’s been around since 1 chillin on sidelines

That would be beautiful

[vital kernel]

don’t get me started on the hvt’s

that wraith elite guy was the worst

as well as that m41 tracker guy

[harsh pendant]

Bro I hated the hunter hvt’s

[vital kernel]

because I was too stupid to just leave the wasp

[vital kernel]

I had no trouble with them

[harsh pendant]

The hunters are so annoying in infinite

[vital kernel]

I just rolled up in a scorpion and just blew them to oblivion

[harsh pendant]

Fair enough

[warm fable]

i liked the HVTS and loved the lore

[harsh pendant]

Lord is amazing, and hvts we’re cool, I just couldn’t bare killing Bipbap

[vestal parrot]

i sniped em from high on the spire in one instance

the wasp is also good for taking them out

[vital kernel]

the wasp is a game changer man

[warm fable]

wasp is powerful with damage, has the defense of a paper boat

[vestal parrot]

yeah, but if you get decent at juking it around you can avoid a lot of the damage

with the HVTs the wraith guy was a little problematic, but i just sat back and sniped all but one of them seemed to make quick work of the whole thing

[harsh pendant]

Ye but how’d you deal with the banished hunters in the silent auditorium

[vestal parrot]

grapple melee bombs and plinking away as i grappled around

plus there are quite a few power weapons in the room

i did throw down a drop sheild once or twice to get a bit more cover

[harsh pendant]

Fair

[vestal parrot]

having all your abilites maxed before that point helps

[harsh pendant]

That would make sense, I just went for story for my first play through

[tacit charm]

alien racism good, human number 1

[harsh pendant]

Sounds legit

[tame cave]

Hey guys I have an odd question

That someone may be able to help me figure out.

[obsidian thistle]

Depends on the question

[tame cave]

I’m trying to update a few articles on the Alpha wiki, but some of the sources I’m trying to read up on existed on the Old Halo Waypoint articles

[obsidian thistle]

Oh

[tame cave]

I’m having troubles finding even screen grabs from old articles, and even a few community archives aren’t getting me where I need to go.

I apologize if this isn’t the appropriate place for this

[obsidian thistle]

Erm... that wiki has been widely abandoned

[tame cave]

Oh, hence the out of date stuff I guess haha

[obsidian thistle]

Yup. The team and community moved to Halopedia.

Well to answer yer question

Here is the current version of the Universe Archive
https://archives.halopedia.org/waypoint/www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe.html

And here is current version of the News Archive.

https://archives.halopedia.org/waypoint/www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news.html

[tacit charm]

it's funny seeing the interaction between a halopedia staff and someone from alpha

[obsidian thistle]

Oh we cool! :)

[teal grotto]

sorry, let me rephrase the question. Is this an official Halo Discord server?

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[teal grotto]

aaah cool

I must admit I am not a big Halo fan. Just put some hours into the first game a while ago (planned to continue). But I found a Halo graphic novel in my favourite comic book store today.

Just found out that it's a reprint

The art looks gorgeous

[gilded mason]

Yeah. The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor is my favorite of that comic book.

[slim obsidian]

Hey

[untold wasp]

how would rtas look like with the halo 4 elite redesign

[drowsy karma]

Different species as gamers:
Unggoy: Squeakers
Sangheili: Try-Hards
Jiralhanae: Griefers/Trolls
Huragok: Hackers

San'Shyuum: Pay-to-Win Whales

[burnt pulsar]

Nah Xalanyn are the real hackers

They hacked death

[tepid barn]

What about humanity

Gets double teamed all the time?

[tight tundra]

Hello

[drowsy karma]

Average gamer

Kig-Yar: Pirates

[mental plover]

Forerunners: Bungie/343 Employees

[mental plover]

@tepid barn And we still manage to come out on top- The average gamer that is.

[grave pollen]

From playing halo 1-3 I thought the forerunners were ancient humans? I’ve just played halo 4 and they’re another species?

[gilded mason]

Yeah, Halo 3 revealed them to be a separate species

[obsidian thistle]

It goes like this.

They are seperate. But have a distant relation.

So both answers are right in a certain point of view.

[grave pollen]

Can you remember when this was

Not sure if I’m being dumb but halo 4 didn’t do a great job of explaining the lore. I guess the covenant was a splinter group, but the motivations of the didact weren’t really clear.

[obsidian thistle]

There was that exposition cutscene for the Didact.

[fleet oriole]

Didact wanted to cleanse the Human race didn't he?

Uh, hello! Sorry for butting in so randomly.

[obsidian thistle]

He wanted to (in the words of the Librarian) Contain the greatest enemy the Forerunners faced.

[gilded mason]

A side comic and the terminals

[obsidian thistle]

Its weird.

[grave pollen]

Thanks

[obsidian thistle]

IRIS does hint at a relation

But not say they are the same

[fleet oriole]

I thought the flood was the greatest enemy the Forerunners ever faced.

[grave pollen]

I missed the terminals during gameplay, I’m gonna watch them in MCC

[split glacier]

Howdy y’all

[obsidian thistle]

At the very least its like this.

Forerunners didnt regress into Humans.

Forerunners were never humans.

But a distant ancestor to humans and Forerunners existed.

[grave pollen]

This confused me. Made sense that they made the Halos to stop the flood. But then Halo 4 happened and apparently there were ancient humans (that are not forerunners) that fought the forerunners?

[spare radish]

didnt the precursors make forerunners, then made humans to be better or something?
bc they didnt think the forerunners were up to the mantle and made humans

[fleet oriole]

From what I understood the Forerunners were somehow able to nuke humanity back to the stone age due to a misunderstanding and then forcibly reboot the universe after they screwed up.

[spare radish]

Forerunners were somehow able to nuke humanity back to the stone age
they won a war against them and they were mad so they sent em back to the stone age as punishment

[fleet oriole]

Yeah, but the war came from a misunderstanding right? Humanity was fighting a separate war and the Forerunners were caught in the crossfire. Pretty sure the opponent was the flood.

Or did I misinterpret?

[spare radish]

i think they found flood on forerunner planents when running from the flood and then they destroyed/glassed the planet killing the flood and forerunners

at the time the forerunners didnt know about the flood and so they took it as an act of war

[obsidian thistle]

Humanity werent innocent either if the Terminals are not getting everything wrong.

They didnt just tell the Forerunners

[spare radish]

yeah

i think the lord admiral said they didnt warn them
just saw it and eliminated them

[fleet oriole]

Considering how fast the flood can spread, (Halo 2 and 3) primarily) I don't blame humanity.

[obsidian thistle]

343i can retcon that easily however. The terminals evidently follow a slightly abridged version of the events cutting corners.

[spare radish]

retcon?

[grave pollen]

The storytelling is Wack yo.

[fleet oriole]

And it's hard to give a full blown warning when you're on the run. Best you can do in that situation is tell the other guy to run as well.

[obsidian thistle]

Retcon = Change stuff to fit

[spare radish]

bruh, but the forerunner books were so good :(

[obsidian thistle]

I was talking terminals

Not the books

The books are safe

[spare radish]

ok, sweet 😅

[fleet oriole]

I want to read all the books so much but I'm strapped for cash, my knowledge stems from the games and YouTube lol.

[spare radish]

get the forerunner books first😉

best ones ive read so far

[obsidian thistle]

They are correct in the perspectives given.

But have 1 flaw that 343i toyed with in that they have narrators that dont know everything or stuff happen off-screen to them.

[spare radish]

Knowing that the Flood could not expand without sentient beings to infect, Forthencho ordered the destruction of neighboring worlds including those held by Forerunners, despite also knowing this firebreak strategy was ethically dubious and risky as it would eventually rouse the Forerunner war machine from its slumber.[6]
https://www.halopedia.org/Forthencho

[obsidian thistle]

I recommend The Original Series first

[spare radish]

the fall of reach and all the others?

[obsidian thistle]

The list here. Yup

[spare radish]

i just finished the fall of reach yesterday
now reading "the flood"

[obsidian thistle]

I never recommend the Forerunner Saga first. Its a lil hard to read for those just getting into the fiction

I love the books

But its something a lil too much for people just getting into stuff as you dont know why stuff is important.

[fleet oriole]

I keep hearing how Legendary some of them are.

[spare radish]

true, i watched a lot of hiddenXperia before so i guess i got it easier for my 2nd book

[spare radish]

books?

[fleet oriole]

Yep.

[spare radish]

yeah their good

forerunner trilogy is the best ive read of the halo books so far

[obsidian thistle]

If you want a good primer if you wanna skip a lot and read recent stuff

Get Halo Mythos

That essentially sets you up

Well up to Halo Wars 2 xD

As it released prior to that

[fleet oriole]

Noted, I'll probably get it off Amazon once I have money haha.

[grave pollen]

I’ve only played Halo 1, 2, 3, 4, Reach, and ODST. Do I have all the lore I need to appreciate infinite?

Kinda want to skip 5 lol

[spare radish]

for knowing about the games more the first books are prolly the best
just finished 1/4 books so idk about the other 3 yet

[spare radish]

you should be good

[fleet oriole]

Yes, considering most of the story is from Chief's point of view.

[grave pollen]

I’ll just read up on it

[obsidian thistle]

Halo 5 helps in setting a few events up that are useful to know.

Halo: Bad Blood fills a gap.

Halo: Shadows of Reach is essentially the prequel to Halo Infinite.

[grave pollen]

Is shadows of reach a game?

[obsidian thistle]

A book

[spare radish]

just know that in 5 cortana went on to make her own ai uprising thingy and that ties into a bit of the end parts of infinite

[fleet oriole]

I thought it was movie.

[grave pollen]

Interesting

[fleet oriole]

Or maybe that's something else.

[obsidian thistle]

If you want to know more about the Banished. Get Halo Wars 2 and read the comic series Rise of Atriox.

[grave pollen]

Thanks chat

[spare radish]

np

[obsidian thistle]

No problemo! Here to help anytime!

[grave pollen]

Actually, last question! What’s better, halo fandom or halopedia??

[obsidian thistle]

Halopedia

There is no active wiki staff on Halo Alpha (Fandom)

[spare radish]

bias :hmmm:

[grave pollen]

👌

[spare radish]

bruh, no pictures

uh

[grave pollen]

lol

[valid hemlock]

Halopedia is so cool it has its own page and not wiki fandom

[spare radish]

its says hes in halopedia in his about me lol

but yeah halopedia is better imo

[obsidian thistle]

My answer is based on the fact I been tracking stats on both wikis since the wiki merger in 2019. :) I'll kindly share some but that goes beyond my efforts here.

[fleet oriole]

Question, who is the biggest Spartan out of all of them? Doesn't matter which gen or if they're alive or dead.

[spare radish]

any books that have any good ONI lore?

ive read some books and they are mentioned but nothin much

[obsidian thistle]

If I recall it was either Jorge or Kurt.

[spare radish]

jorge was a big boi

master chief is prolly the biggest one now tho

[obsidian thistle]

Halo: New Blood and Bad Blood are interesting.

[fleet oriole]

Lmfao, because he's one of the few older Spartans alive?

[spare radish]

thanks

[obsidian thistle]

But none really go full on ONI outside Hunt The Truth.

[spare radish]

of spartan 2's

[obsidian thistle]

And thats not a book

[spare radish]

but its gets messy with infinite and halo 5 bc spoilers (not really but idk)

[obsidian thistle]

I'd of suggested reading into the Section 3 ARG. But that thing is very poorly documented.

[spiral forge]

I'm not sure how it'd happen but I think seeing a spartan wearing Gen 2 mjolnir in Infinite would be a neat contrast.

Not in gameplay since the Gen 2 has built in thrusters but like, a cutscene where they find a spartan IV who'd been lost in space for a while, and whoever found him brings him in among other spartan IVs wearing the new generation

[obsidian thistle]

There is a few GEN2 "variants"

It wasnt till after Halo 4 SpOps where thrusters started to be incorporated fully (outside Anubis which had them first)

If we use GEN1 terms

Halo 4 would be akin to Mark V. While Halo 5 would be akin to Mark VI.

(Thats just an analogy. But its honestly "a" way to explain it)

[ornate hawk]

something i've always found funny is that in the Halo universe everything has advanced in terms of technology except the weapons which went backwards for some reason lmao

the AR and BR use ammo that was developed in the 1950s, meanwhile the Scorpion has armor and a main gun that you would find on tanks from the WW2 - Vietnam eras

[vale gull]

True

[steady ice]

Make him

Canon

[spiral forge]

||Anubis best armor fite me||

[versed helm]

Tbf, the AR's 7.62x51mm and the BR's 9.5x40mm aren't bad rounds by any means (I'm not saying they're the best)

7.62x51mm is still used today/is primarily used in Marksman rifles

The 9.5x40mm however if I'm not mistaken doesn't actually exist in real life

[ornate hawk]

oh yeah no i'm not saying they're bad at all

i just find it comical that humanity is capable of FTL travel, creating super soldiers, and can even build ships using salvaged Covenant and Forerunner tech, but then they got to the weapons and were like "Nah we dont need advance that, let's just keep using this stuff from 600 years ago lol"

[fast falcon]

“Haha MA5 go brrrr.”

[night flax]

“Tank beats everything”

[untold wasp]

halo array: are you challenging me?

[fleet oriole]

Yes.

Sorry, let me rephrase. Ye.

Memes are powerful.

Too powerful.

You could say... Infinite power.

Sorry I'll leave.

[ebon parrot]

I mean it ain't broke, and if it ain't broke

[versed helm]

Tbf Halo's tank would lose to everything with its payload lmao
A tank Today is 10x better than a Scorpion lmao

it is broke, plz fix

[split heron]

||buccaneer armor cursed fite me||

[ornate hawk]

Scorpion could probably lose to a Tiger tank or a Patton thats fresh off the line if we being honest

[versed helm]

Probably
Only thing Scorpion has going for it is thicc armor

[versed helm]

we all know thats just because some random lore writer accidently pluged in a ww2 engine and gun

[obsidian thistle]

I'm not afraid to hide it. Seeker is love. Seeker is life!

[versed helm]

if scorpions where actually like the ww2 tanks their description would make them they would not be destroying wraiths

[ebon parrot]

I certainly think a part of it is that everything it's facing is also more powerful

[versed helm]

They are almost identical, the Scoprion can shoot 'hard and faster' but y'know

You're putting a ww2 shell against some of the strongest armor humanity has ever even seen

[ebon parrot]

Plus I'm not familiar with the technical details but given humanity is very spacefaring, they probably have more durable armour and metal than would be possible on earth

[versed helm]

yeah because it being a ww2 shell was on accident

[ebon parrot]

But is there a lore explanation for why humanity stalled for nearly 500 years?

By the end of the century we'll probably have surpassed a lot of what the halo universe has, especially with combat and ground forces

[manic swallow]

yeah halo tech isnt that good

[ornate hawk]

nah not really actually

[ebon parrot]

They're in the 26th century with 22nd century material

[ornate hawk]

a scorpion has titanium-ceramic armor which has been around since the late 40s early 50s

[ebon parrot]

Oh, huh

[manic swallow]

also

still using bullistic weapons is insane

not a chance in 500 years humans now IRL would use bullets

[ebon parrot]

Dude

Humanity has been using ballistic weapons for thousands of years

[split heron]

if you do not hide it the emperor will have you executed

[manic swallow]

Humanity has been using ballistic weapons for thousands of years
cool cool

relevant to what was said above