Alright I might wanna draw Cortana in the DIdacts armor
#lore-and-universe
iron oar
Was Chief born Iso-Didact though
gilded mason
Was Chief born Iso-Didact though
Nope
iron oar
Was anything really special about him aside from going through child abuse and surviving augmentation to become a living weapon
balmy gulch
In ODST, what sector does the Rookie land in?
gilded mason
Was anything really special about him aside from going through child abuse and s...
Nope.
iron oar
Halsey is the real evil
gilded mason
I'd say the real evil is ONI.
fast falcon
Halsey’s not good tho
iron oar
Isn’t Halsey part of ONI
fast falcon
But ONI is far worse
gilded mason
(Human evil, at least)
gilded mason
Isn’t Halsey part of ONI
Civilian contractor for them
slim obsidian
I want to see a Halsey Spartan
fast falcon
Contractor was the word I was looking for
iron oar
I want fake Cortana for my multiplayer AI
fast falcon
I was gonna say consultant
slim obsidian
I want fake Cortana for my multiplayer AI
same
iron oar
She’s dumb as bricks but at least she’s less dumb than the other choices
slim obsidian
Honestly we need more options for AI aside from SHAPES
my favorite AI is Fret the prism
iron oar
And expensive mister derp
iron oar
I switched to the lightbulb from beta as soon as I unlocked her
But with the gray color cause I’m a badass man
fast falcon
I’m prob gonna use the superintendent as soon as I get it
Not really a fan of any of the AIs
near tide
Halsey is the real evil
ONI is pretty bad, though the covenant was worse
versed helm
Only the unsc
iron oar
the covenant just wanted to bring judgment day sooner
slim obsidian
yeah
slim obsidian
they wanted to play ark survival evolved early
near tide
The covenant were evil
versed helm
But in the unsc’s eyes they were evil
near tide
At least ONI did what they did for the survival of humanity
iron oar
Just because they glassed planets and stuff doesn’t mean they were evil
versed helm
Bruh
near tide
Mass genocide is evil
fast falcon
Tbf ONI abducted 75 kids before they knew about the Covenant
versed helm
The prophets knew that humans were living keys to forerunner tech
iron oar
Tbf ONI abducted 75 kids before they knew about the Covenant
And to kill human insurrectionists
versed helm
Tbf ONI abducted 75 kids before they knew about the Covenant
But it still worked out
fast falcon
Doesn’t negate the point
versed helm
And if they didn’t I’m pretty sure humanity would have gone in to a dark age
fast falcon
Simply because the weapon they made happened to help them, doesn’t mean that it was morally right when they made it before said threat
versed helm
Something can’t remember but it said that the dirty bomb that killed millions will kill billions in the future
Dirty bomb from insurrectionist
iron oar
Weren’t the insurrectionists, like, fighting for rights though
versed helm
But they killed civilians
gilded mason
It depends
versed helm
Used a nuke
gilded mason
But they killed civilians
So did the UNSC
fast falcon
ONI has killed plenty of civilians
gilded mason
They murdered an entire colony
versed helm
Was it an outer?
fast falcon
They tried to wipe out the Sangheili after the war too
iron oar
I’m just saying, if you’re abducting kids to turn them into supersoldiers to kill insurrectionists that are fighting for civil rights the world is already heading for a pretty dark fate
versed helm
They tried to wipe out the Sangheili after the war too
If you have half your population left and barely any ships I think I would’ve tried to do the same
iron oar
The covenant saved humanity from itself
gilded mason
Even Serin Osman of all people thought the UNSC's actions on Far Isle were heinous.
vestal mountain
I’m just saying, if you’re abducting kids to turn them into supersoldiers to kil...
Imo the covenant saved humanity from a civil war because they made them unite
versed helm
It was war anyways
iron oar
They would’ve kept bombing each other until MAD
versed helm
And I don’t know it the insurrectionist signed the Geneva convention
iron oar
The covenant are the real heroes of the story
fast falcon
If you have half your population left and barely any ships I think I would’ve tr...
Still doesn’t make it justified in any way
versed helm
Are you sure about that
fast falcon
Genocide does not make genocide in turn justifiable
gilded mason
And the way ONI went about it was incredibly dumb.
versed helm
Are you sure
vestal mountain
The covenant are the real heroes of the story
Thats what they thought anyways
iron oar
the great journey is pretty lit too 💍
versed helm
Wasn’t oni’s idea to keep their civil war going until humanity is back up and ready to defend themselves
gilded mason
The issue is that they did it while admitting they knew nothing of the planet and worked to undermine the faction that actually wants humans to be alive, while empowering the ones that want to kill humans. And doing all of this in ONI uniforms.
iron oar
Man the ONI vehicles in H5 warzone are pretty sick though
versed helm
Don’t care what you say, unsc good, looks amazing even in death and wreckage
gilded mason
The evil faction literally could do nothing to undermine Thel until ONI helped them out, eventually causing millions of human deaths.
iron oar
Where’s Thel in infinite
versed helm
Gone
gilded mason
Somewhere
iron oar
He owes me a beer
versed helm
Reduced to atoms
iron oar
We were placing bets on how infinite would be received and he just up and left me
versed helm
It unsc everything looks amazing
The marines look amazing
The vehicles look amazing
The ships look amazing
The weapons look amazing
The odps look amazing
iron oar
The Covenant vehicles look like 1998 Apple iMacs
iron oar
Yeah one of them tried to commit mass genocide too
iron oar
😂
versed helm
iron oar
That’s why fake Cortana has amnesia
versed helm
iron oar
We had to reset her
versed helm
Black box
iron oar
And in the process she grew shoes!
versed helm
Don’t know much except that he exists
I am unsc fan
Maybe a little of their alliance
But not much
fast falcon
Honestly I think I enjoy all major groups in Halo to a degree
At least the ones shown in the games
versed helm
Yeah
But since there are humans
Top number one
Also they look amazing
I think I said that already but I said anyways
near tide
They murdered an entire colony
Glyke?
vestal mountain
Honestly I think I enjoy all major groups in Halo to a degree
except Jul 'Mdama's covenant, Jul 'Mdama was a pretty cool character in the few halo books and comics ive read but he seemed so weak in game
glacial oracle
except Jul 'Mdama's covenant, Jul 'Mdama was a pretty cool character in the few ...
He had no game development and what development he did was short lived. He had 1.5 games from reveal to death excluding comics/books and lacked the features of the current major groups within the Halo Universe. His lack of a impact isn't really surprising
vestal mountain
Yeah, agreed. Thats why halo 5 felt a bit unfinished and the covenant didn't feel the same. They felt more like a small group of insurrectionists instead of feeling like a massive space invading fleet
glacial oracle
Yeah, agreed. Thats why halo 5 felt a bit unfinished and the covenant didn't fee...
Quite honestly in my opinion that is the way I felt 343 should have taken it. The covenant was destroyed after the Great Schism and the idea of the remnants being small groups instead of one coordinated fleet could have been a better idea if they did a good execution of it.
vestal mountain
It still felt like they had a major goal but they were too small to do it
glacial oracle
It still felt like they had a major goal but they were too small to do it
Agreed. If they had Jul 'Mdama be a villian in Halo 4 as a side baddie to the Didact and expand upon his story in Spartan Ops and parallel his death within the final missions of Halo 5 instead of the beginning his ARC would have been better.
versed helm
except Jul 'Mdama's covenant, Jul 'Mdama was a pretty cool character in the few ...
Jul was more mind than combat, like a politic. He knew how to get people on his side, a rather good tactician, but he wasn't good in combat.
supple rock
I would have liked if jul’mdama’s covenant would have been a terrorist organization and acting small scale but trying to hinder the uncs
Never really contending with the UNSC large scale
versed helm
How advanced where Jiralhanae during the pre-Immolation and the First Immolation? Halopedia speaks about a mechanized conflict with armed hovercrafts, which makes me think that Jiralhanae counted with weaponry that fired projectiles, similar to the Superheated Tungsten Spike weaponry they made with Covenant technology such as the Spiker.
As said by Halopedia, the spiker already existed during pre-Covenant conflicts on Doisac, and said to be upgraded by Covenant technology.
gusty star
They became a space-faring race then nuked themselves down a tier
Then the Covenant found them
vestal mountain
They became a space-faring race then nuked themselves down a tier
How did they nuke themselves down?
versed helm
They became a space-faring race then nuked themselves down a tier
Yes I am already aware of it.
They mounted colonies on the system.
They developed hovercrafts, indication of advanced technology, but then they used medieval weapons, which were common.
It's like an hybrid of technology.
By how it's described they seem more advanced than the humanity of today.
Well, sound.
versed helm
How did they nuke themselves down?
They had nuclear weaponry that saw a bad use.
gusty star
They were more advanced but then their civil wars saw them revert back to technology that was being invented by humanity during the 20th century
versed helm
Yeah. They went ape on each other
Jiralhanae sound more advanced than 21st Century humans but at the same time less advanced.
I can't imagine for some reason Jiralhanae cities, but I can imagine tungsten and metallic bolt based projectile weaponry along other medieval weapons.
Truth be told, the only reason they were more advanced than humans was because of Covie influence. Otherwise, if you rate them on the Kardashev Scale, same as us. Type 0
Both the Mauler and the Spiker were before the Covenant arrival.
versed helm
Truth be told, the only reason they were more advanced than humans was because o...
Uh, they had spacecraft and hovercrafts, hovercrafts heavily armed used during the First Immolation.
versed helm
Uh, they had spacecraft and hovercrafts, hovercrafts heavily armed used during t...
I am talking about Jiralhane society post civil wars
versed helm
I am talking about Jiralhane society post civil wars
Oh, yeah post Covenant arrival it is.
But I'm speaking about Pre-First Immolation.
Ah
Yeah, they were better than humans pre-Immolation
monke has spaceship
monke has chad hovercraft
monke has big boom rocks
monke has- oh, monke has nuked itself
versed helm
pulsar grail
they did a little bit of trolling
prime creek
Halo: The Flood makes the implication that Chief first encountered Hunters during the time of Reach, but we know that he fought Hunters way back when he was still a kid 🤔🤔
Weird
vernal notch
I wish we could see marines/troopers be cool and win large battles or firefights on their own, rather than need a spartan's help
tired terrace
That’s sorta the point tho
Spartans and really only chief himself was humanity’s last hope
bleak stirrup
Reading ghost of onyx atm
vernal notch
I've only read one of the books lol
Also, i unironically liked the halo 4 marines, the forest ones on Requiem
prime creek
Okay I can confirm from reading The Flood that marines are plenty strong enough to rip the mask off of grunts' faces. Re: the discussion in here the other day about whether a person could 1v1 a grunt
vernal notch
Okay I can confirm from reading The Flood that marines are plenty strong enough ...
Physically debatable, seeing as grunts are only slightly shorter than the average human
prime creek
Physically debatable, seeing as grunts are only slightly shorter than the averag...
They just have to have the good timing and speed to get the mask off before the grunt can stop them, then it's over 😉
I'm sure a good punch or kick could dislodge the mask too, considering they can just yank it off with one hand. Then you just watch them suffocate
vernal notch
Im pretty sure a marine could wrestle a jackal too
tired terrace
Certainly not a tvoan
vernal notch
I wonder what would happen if humans joined the banished
versed helm
Doubt anything would really change apart from Vehicles like Scorpions actually being used
Banished like the Covenant are still Technologically superior
Humans would barely add anything but more brain power lmao
prime creek
Certainly not a tvoan
From my reading it seems like the T'vaoan are physically superior versions of jackals that are bigger, faster and stronger than ordinary jackals
I've heard that humans would theoretically be allowed to join the Banished, but the Banished in Infinite are trying to destroy humanity lol... unless they're referring to the government of humanity and not all the individuals
vernal notch
Im pretty sure they could
Its just that no human groups offered to join or whatever
If the elites and brutes could work together with no bad blood, i dont see why humans cant
Even though they might be on the same scale as jackals or lower/higher
unique rune
There’s been a few mentions of humans joining the Banished or allying with them in some form
vernal notch
No doubt, human criminal organizations and maybe insurrectionists worked with the banished in some way
unique rune
Divine Wind apparently mentions that Atriox had human members at the Ark.
One of the Canon Fodder articles about Infinite map lore also mentions human mercenary groups working for the Banished on Earth.
vernal notch
Ah, so humans would be like jackals
But if the humans were just mercenaries for the banished, there would be competition with the jackals
fast falcon
Humans would prob fill more of a role than just the Jackals tho
Really it depends on the humans in question and which part of the Banished they’re interacting with
Plus the group is a meritocracy unlike the Covenant and would likely allow for humans and all other races to hold more fluid roles in the group that they did the Covenant
tacit charm
I wonder what would happen if humans joined the banished
some have
vestal mountain
omg i found the fall of reach and the flood at a second hand book sale
both were for like 4 dollars each (converted from my currency)
tacit charm
are they the re releases or the og one
vestal mountain
are they the re releases or the og one
I think the flood on is og
*one
not sure about the fall of reach
prime creek
are they the re releases or the og one
Is there a significant difference?
ornate hawk
Im pretty sure they could
they could
Atriox allows all species to join the banished as long as they believe in the ideals of the banished
frigid oracle
there are humans with the banished tho
hollow folio
do we know how arbiter and his pals are doing
untold wasp
probably fixing sanhelious can't spell it
hollow folio
I sure hope we see his badassery again
frigid oracle
ikr
frosty whale
Is slipspace wormholes?
frigid oracle
wat
frosty whale
What is slipspace
versed helm
안녕하세요
humble yacht
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slow coral
make Icelandic channel or I'll riot
versed helm
Hope to see more flood in the next dlc
quick slate
Im tired of the flood
scarlet quiver
<@456226577798135808> hi there! This is a primarily English-speaking server so w...
That is korean
Do you have a korean one?
low whale
I think they know it's korean
they were just pointing to the english and non-english parts
tired terrace
How could you be tired of the flood it’s been 3 games
warm fable
i only enjoyed fighting them in 3
quick slate
They are more annoying than the promeathans
slow coral
atleast the prometheans give good weapons
unique rune
The Flood were in 3 main FPS games and were only a fun enemy type in one of them
And I’m convinced half that reason is because CE’s shotgun was a monster in its own right
warm fable
atleast the prometheans give good weapons
i will never beat halo 4 on heroic because of the knights
fast falcon
Yeah I like the flood a lot too
warm fable
it is the only thing stopping me.
fast falcon
They’re a far more interesting enemy to fight than the prometheans
warm fable
yeah true but dear lord the flood can be agonizing
frigid oracle
CE flood was hard but shotgun helps
H2 flood was too much
H3's flood was mainly easy
quick slate
like chief almost died to the flood in the library being a spartan II, then you have this marine being dead near the end and he almost activated the ring
warm fable
im doing a halo 2 heroic playthrough rn and dear lord. its haunting.
nothing more humbling than a white armor elite
frigid oracle
lmao
frigid oracle
nothing more humbling than a white armor elite
which level
warm fable
wdym?
warm fable
yeah i didnt know the actual rank
frigid oracle
councilors?
warm fable
no ultras in reach have drip
frigid oracle
and h2 ultras
warm fable
i think H2 ultras are white armored
frigid oracle
which level are you playing
warm fable
the one at the bomb section of the first level was awful
frigid oracle
oh that
versed helm
i think H2 ultras are white armored
nah reach have the white
warm fable
yeah it was awful
frigid oracle
(kinda)
warm fable
nah reach have the white
yeah, dont the reach ultras have more decoration though?
unique rune
Arent White Armoured ones Ultras?
Ultras are denoted with white across pretty much all games, yeah
quick slate
High Charity LASO/Legendary = Why
quick slate
Which one was supposed to have juggerhugs
frigid oracle
the honor guards
frigid oracle
Which one was supposed to have juggerhugs
the zombie one right
the before last mission
quick slate
The one where he gets attacked by flood and covenant
quick slate
how much of a pain was gravemind then?
quick slate
I havent played Halo 2 since MCC dropped
frigid oracle
councilor elite
honor guard brutes
hunter bridge part
the amount of brutes
repetitive halls
Drone swarms
the final fight
versed helm
halo 2 kinda cringe ngl
quick slate
That sounds like a pain
warm fable
drones are awful
quick slate
Especially if 9739192 of them swarm you
frigid oracle
ikr
thats a reason for which I dont like Crow's nest
the arent that strong but so annoying
quick slate
i skip it almost all the time
ornate hawk
Arent White Armoured ones Ultras?
yes those are Ultras
ornate hawk
Best pelican design ?
Reach/Infinite pelican
earnest wyvern
drones are awful
Skimmers debatably worse
versed helm
Reach/Infinite pelican
yes agreed
quick slate
yes those are Ultras
I only remember seeing them in Reach, correct me if im wrong
ornate hawk
yes agreed
Flood from the H3 level Cortana have entered the chat
unique rune
Reach was the first time they appeared with their own unique armor type
versed helm
*Flood from the H3 level Cortana have entered the chat*
?
ornate hawk
I only remember seeing them in Reach, correct me if im wrong
Ultras are deonoted by white armor in Reach, H2, and H3
quick slate
Then i must be blind hahahah
tacit charm
They are more annoying than the promeathans
clearly you havent encountered a watcher on laso
unique rune
Elite and Grunt Ultras appear in 2 and 3 wearing just white versions of the standard combat harnesses
tacit charm
quick slate
Reach has that helmet that i got scared of
earnest wyvern
Reach has that helmet that i got scared of
The zealot one?
quick slate
I got scared on Legendary because me being a noob seeing a high ranking elite
tacit charm
noob combo then
quick slate
You make a point
versed helm
What did SCPO Franklin Mendez think of the Spartans?.
prime creek
Why do Hunters have spines? Individual Lek Golo don't have spines, so what the heck is a Hunter's spine made of?
Also why do Hunters have specific, full-fledged personalities and emotions, as if they are one entity like a person?
low whale
spines are on the armour I think
and it's a colony hive mind
so that colony will operate uniquely compared to other separate colonies
velvet rose
how many teeth does a regular sangheili have
prime creek
Why do they need a spine since they don't have a central nervous system lol.
@low whale in the book several Hunters are described as having a literal spine i.e. a vertebrae
ornate hawk
What did SCPO Franklin Mendez think of the Spartans?.
its hard to tell, he kept a military bearing almost all the time, rarely showed emotion. even when he found out that the whole of Alpha Company of Spartan IIIs had been killed he didnt show much emotion
low whale
Why do they need a spine since they don't have a central nervous system lol.
<...
oh I thought you meant spine like the spikes on the armour
low whale
What did SCPO Franklin Mendez think of the Spartans?.
I think he felt quite fatherly, especially towards the IIs, in glasslands he gets mad at halsey for what she did
gilded mason
Which is funny, since he did even worse things
prime creek
so that colony will operate uniquely compared to other separate colonies
I guess it makes sense if each Hunter is a hive mind itself. I guess that begs the question: Do Lek Golo get smarter the more of them are combined? or is each worm fully sapient and they just combine into one consciousness?
fast falcon
Why do they need a spine since they don't have a central nervous system lol.
<...
Probably to act as something to help them gather around and keep their shape so they’re sturdier
low whale
I guess it makes sense if each Hunter is a hive mind itself. I guess that begs t...
I think the individuals are aware but simple, the covenant used them to explore forerunner tech as individuals, but I think they get more advanced as they group up
versed helm
Can I pet a hunter without it attacking me
prime creek
Probably to act as something to help them gather around and keep their shape so ...
That could make sense.. now that I think about it I'm not quite sure if they actually die immediately when their spine is severed, or if they require a kill shot after
prime creek
I think the individuals are aware but simple, the covenant used them to explore ...
Interesting... One wonders how smart a scarab is then
or if they could make a Lek Golo super brain...
quick slate
didnt a giant super-hunter exist in Legends?
burnt pulsar
Lol I just found out that Master Chief punches at 300mph with a force of 56,300 N
tacit charm
Lol I just found out that Master Chief punches at 300mph with a force of 56,300 ...
where did you get that from may i ask
tacit timber
where did you get that from may i ask
yeah where did you learn that
unique rune
didnt a giant super-hunter exist in Legends?
There’s a pair of really big ones in The Duel, yeah
tacit charm
there was three actually
tacit charm
yeah where did you learn that
why you asking me lol
tacit timber
shoot i meant to pin the other guy'
tacit charm
closest thing i can think of is in 00's "how hard can a spartan punch" video
burnt pulsar
where did you get that from may i ask
I mean it’s not exact but I found it from one of game theorists vids on YouTube
quick slate
the one that came out this month?
blissful karma
Morning everyone!
prime creek
I mean it’s not exact but I found it from one of game theorists vids on YouTube
Oh so it's not lore lol
burnt pulsar
Oh so it's not lore lol
It technically is because you have to use lore to figure it out
random agate
i feel bad for him
versed helm
I mean if you take Jerome punching a 400lb Elites 12 feet across a room thats close to 75,000 newtons in force lmao
Or y'know, Chief uppercutting a 2.3 ton Banshee coming towards him is an insane amount of force 400,000+ newtons
Spartans strengths are extremely inconsistent so you'll never get a true answer lol
burnt pulsar
I mean if you take Jerome punching a 400lb Elites 12 feet across a room thats cl...
I mean if you calculate the bullet that the S7 uses you can get a close answer to how powerful a Spartans punch is
versed helm
I mean if you calculate the bullet that the S7 uses you can get a close answer t...
Again not really since its extremely inconsistent throughout the lore, books and games
burnt pulsar
But it may vary depending on the spartan because I would expect a Spartan II to punch harder
burnt pulsar
Again not really since its extremely inconsistent throughout the lore, books and...
I mean some are just built different
burnt pulsar
Again not really since its extremely inconsistent throughout the lore, books and...
Can’t forget the anime and movies
burnt pulsar
Who wants more Halo legends because I do
I mean most of it was useless non cannon nock offs of actual anime
ornate hawk
I mean if you take Jerome punching a 400lb Elites 12 feet across a room thats cl...
what about Chief flipping a turned over Scorpion and sending it flying thru the air lol
unique rune
I mean most of it was useless non cannon nock offs of actual anime
…Most of it is canon, though.
The only short out of the bunch that isn’t canon to some extent is Odd One Out.
slim obsidian
I loved Odd one out
burnt pulsar
weeb power
Comic nerd power is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x stronger because you would understand multiversal theory
slim obsidian
i actually know what that is
burnt pulsar
I know it from Ben 10 
slim obsidian
what about Chief flipping a turned over Scorpion and sending it flying thru the ...
Flip over the Elephant in halo 3
the text is funny as hell
tacit charm
i will check some of these someday but as of now ill take your word for it
slim obsidian
Nice profile picture @tacit charm
tacit charm
tks
slim obsidian
General kenobi
tacit charm
💪
vestal mountain
what about Chief flipping a turned over Scorpion and sending it flying thru the ...
I mean even Rookie can do that, its prolly plot armor but still
slim obsidian
Master chief Has Heavy plot armor
vestal mountain
Yeah he does
tacit charm
what about Chief flipping a turned over Scorpion and sending it flying thru the ...
technically speaking in lore that has never been done before
unless you consider frank o connor's statement (where he was likely jk if you listen to him) or take the spartan field manual as 100% canon with no propaganda stuff in it
slim obsidian
Lore wise i think The Master chief Can lift 1000lbs
oh he can lift a Crap ton more
i cant swear
Like 25 tons
tacit charm
he can lift 50 to 100 tons in shadow of reach
and 00 calculated that he can punch with 277 tons of force in mark 6, a suit that only amplifies strength by 5x
i will have to check those calcs someday tbh
near tide
he can lift 50 to 100 tons in shadow of reach
Where?
tacit charm
granite boulder scene
rock has been calculated to weigh 50 to 100 tons
mind you he lifted it while injured
near tide
Calculated
tacit charm
plus earlier in the novel while descending on an owl to reach chief and co just casually move through a 25 g environment
near tide
The author never stated its weight then
near tide
Lore wise I see him lifting maybe 50 tons
tacit charm
maybe
vestal mountain
I wonder like without his armor would he be like a buff asf dude
cause the armor doesnt seem like the person inside would be really buff
near tide
I wonder like without his armor would he be like a buff asf dude
Chief is crazy buff
As a teen he punched some dudes so hard they died
vestal mountain
As a teen he punched some dudes so hard they died
Yeah i know that but I dunno how buff he'll look, like arnold schwarzenegger buff or like pro heavyweight fighter buff
tacit charm
rip those odsts
near tide
They wouldn’t have survived that long anyway
tacit charm
also rip that one mech that got kicked around by an unarmoured spartan
split heron
balls
deft coral
ODSTs are better than Spartans: Change my mind
dreamy bone
ODSTs are better than Spartans: Change my mind
John 117 killed three odst soldiers in hand to hand combat at the age of 14
warm fable
John 117 killed three odst soldiers in hand to hand combat at the age of 14
spartan or pre-spartan?
versed helm
Lore wise I see him lifting maybe 50 tons
Well, I don't think a spartan would lift over 4 tons. That is extremely heavy, even for a spartan. However, as said before, their strength is extremly inconsistent, since we got Naomi-010 destroying the spine of a Brute with a frontal punch to the chest.
tacit charm
she punched the brute in the chin that subsequently broke his spine
versed helm
Oh, well that's still overpowered.
Aren't Brutes meant to be more stronger and resistant than Spartans?
versed helm
And this is the reason of why in several books the Spartans never go hand to hand against them.
Jiralhanae are meant to stand a big threat against Spartans if this ones engage in a hand-to-hand, that's their dynamic.
We see spartans disarming and obliterating Sangheili, destroying even highly skilled foes of the species, wiping them like flies, why not the brutes then? Why in many books and novels they aren't disarmed or killed with a pair of punches?
tacit charm
plot not to mention guns are a thing
versed helm
That's why spartans engage them from the distance.
tacit charm
they can technically just engage with with their fists sure but i mean why take the risk of the brute going ape sit mad on you
tacit charm
jir wat
versed helm
Jir'au'l.
versed helm
Sangheili nickname for the Jiralhanae, since a type of resistant wood of Sangheilios is known as "au'l"
Au'l = a type of resistant wood/tree.
tacit charm
ok
versed helm
Anyways, spartan bad, monke good
versed helm
hm?
tacit charm
just put in the numbers and apparently a spartan 2 can punch 41 times stronger than the force of a banshee going full speed on you
very odd
versed helm
Inconsistencies with lore.
tacit charm
eh
dont ask me ask 00 where he got the whole 277 tons of force
mind you that number was for mark 6 which is < gen 3
maybe
versed helm
That's why I consider many of these inconsistencies un-canonical or a dramatization in most cases.
Such as Babysitter, Cal getting rekt a Jiralhanae, destroying and pulverizing part of his face without difficulty more a dramatization than what actually happen.
vestal mountain
Jiralhanae are meant to stand a big threat against Spartans if this ones engage ...
When I melee a brute I kill him 😎
versed helm
NOOOO
vestal mountain
(that was a joke)
versed helm
Poor monke
versed helm
I consider regular UNSC more intersesting than Spartans.
vestal mountain
I want another game where you play as an ODST
versed helm
I want a game where you play as a marine without the gameplay power of 3: ODST.
tacit charm
Such as Babysitter, Cal getting rekt a Jiralhanae, destroying and pulverizing pa...
i mean putting aside artistic licensing and visuals in legends may not be the most accurate to what happened in lore all we know is that brute sustained an injury from something and was yeeted by someone. then again in halo 4 chief in mark 4 fought a brute almost twice his height and won through unknown means
also that brute was big
versed helm
Well I say the Brute in an attempt to hit a proper strike into Cal after engaging in CQC with Cal stepped near the edge, falling off as he was 1 ton over a cliff.
The rocks shattered by the heavy weight of the Jiralhanae warrior, his body weight plus his armor made it a bad choice to stand there.
tacit charm
eh
that's really headcanony material and honestly i'll just stick to what's shown (mostly)
versed helm
Spartans have the advantage of augmented reaction time and increased velocity, the smaller size and agility is a good mix to dodge the attacks of strong opponents.
vestal mountain
Yeah most spartan 2's reaction times are like 20 miliseconds
versed helm
Spartans are strong but not hulk, some spartans stated that lifting additional 400-500 kilograms would injure them and Chief struggled to flip a hog.
Gamma Company members use drugs which allow them to support alot of injuries and way more physical pain, causing them to be able to hold a boulder of 2-3 tons, which, even if it is extremely dangerous and is quickly gonna result in high-degree injuries, they seem capable to use it as a hammer.
vestal mountain
Spartans are strong but not hulk, some spartans stated that lifting additional 4...
When I play as Chief I can flip a scorpion 😎
I think its just my strenght
versed helm
So in part, spartans can lift over 2 tons, but they will struggle and it apparently will result in a great damage to the person doing so.
tacit charm
When I play as Chief I can flip a scorpion 😎
I think its just my strenght
not entirely canon
unless you're using frank's comments and spartan field manual
vestal mountain
Wait i do have a question, do spartans normally break their limbs
tacit charm
depends on situation
vestal mountain
like in halo reach after jorge died and 6 was walking to the handgun
he clutched his right hand
versed helm
Just how spartans can run with MJOLNIR at around 120 kph, however once passing the 80 kph their muscles and tendons will begin to suffer great and horrendous damage and eventually shatter and break.
vestal mountain
but it didnt make any difference to him
versed helm
They can, but doing so will be fatal.
Actually Jorge seems to struggle in lifting Six.
tacit charm
i mean he fell from orbit (with a re entry pack dont forget that) but we dont know how much damage he could have taken
vestal mountain
Just how spartans can run with MJOLNIR at around 120 kph, however once passing t...
So basically Spartan's are much much stronger then the normal human but they aren't like superman
versed helm
He's lifting a bit over 600 kilograms, just as I said before, spartans can lift it, but constantly doing so is fatal.
Yeah, pretty much.
tacit charm
Actually Jorge seems to struggle in lifting Six.
he was in mark 5 which has a 2x multiplier for strength not to mention apparently (more research will be looked into this) when the helmet is disconnected/taken off it doesnt really access the armour's full capabilities so really jorge was carrying both noble 6 and his suit without the suit's amplifications
versed helm
In what I seem to have learnt of lore, Spartans shatter the bones and pulverize the flesh of Sangheili, indication of great strength, however they do little damage against their bodies and use projectile-based weaponry to deal with them.
tacit charm
also as i said before john and co move through a 23 g (not 25 my bad) environment in shadows of reach with basically little to no effort
versed helm
They can flip and sometimes lift over 2 tons, but will struggle. They can run up to 60-70 kph without harming themselves.
Perhaps they have special equipment for it.
Didn't also banished troops moved through it?
vestal mountain
@versed helm You're a bit wrong on the speed
versed helm
Hm?
versed helm
Yes, without armor.
I'm speaking with armor.
Chief broke his tendon while running at what? 90 kph?
A bit around that.
tacit charm
acheilia's tendon while with aid from cortana
versed helm
Yeah.
vestal mountain
wait I have a question, I havent really read any books so idk if this was touched on
vestal mountain
but how do spartan's heal themselves during combat
versed helm
The thing is, Spartans extremely strong and fast but they aren't superman.
versed helm
lol
vestal mountain
Like does the Mjolnir have anything to help with healing?
versed helm
Well MJOLNIR is equipped with some medical equipment.
tacit charm
though in shadows of reach one doctor or nurse idc did point out how fast chief was healing without rest
now
it's unknown whether this is a healing factor or the suit doing the job
ruby finch
Well MJOLNIR is equipped with some medical equipment.
bio foam right?
tacit charm
personally i think it's the suit
versed helm
B i o m e d i c a l f o a m
tacit charm
well duh
versed helm
The thing I'm going to, is that some writers don't take proper time to add consistent feats and facts and make spartans overpowered or underpowered.
tacit charm
when he was a teen or smthing
14
versed helm
Don't believe in all what is shown through the media.
ruby finch
its canon right?
tacit charm
what is?
some visuals can be taken with a grain of salt sure but unless 343 states something otherwise or if the lore fully contradicts what's shown, it's canon
also i forgot to mention that one time in forward unto dawn where chief got struck by a hunter's two ton shield and was fine for the most part
wispy agate
What happened to locke in halo 5
pearl igloo
Well MJOLNIR is equipped with some medical equipment.
Its only medical in the fact that it can help stabalize you. You would asumedly seek proper medical attention as soon as possible
novel quiver
why does everything have lore
Because it would be boring without it. An empty story is like having no story at all.
low whale
why does everything have lore
If you right click the channel you can mute it
split glacier
just fricken play halo
You mad cuz you can’t understand complex plot?
prime creek
why does everything have lore
Are you lost?
celest token
Lore is great 
prime creek
"why you want story when you can just have shooting and 'splosions??"
vestal mountain
no offence but that guy seems like the type of person who skips cutscenes on his first playthrough
tacit charm
lore is da cringe
halo has multiverse hence all is for nothing (also i just checked and yes realities and universe are used interchangeably so the forerunners were actually a bunch of bigots)
terse lava
Again with the multiverse thing?
balmy swallow
Lol same
terse lava
Just a debate Dregg and I have had now and again
frigid oracle
ah
terse lava
Kinda are, " subspace by the United Nations Space Command, is a dimensional subdomain of alternate spacetime consisting of eleven non-visible infinitesimal dimensions used for faster-than-light travel"
vestal mountain
SO DREGG IS RIGHT
tacit charm
Again with the multiverse thing?
it's fun
terse lava
@vestal mountain yes and no, as if I recall the argument started off as being more the idea of full on mirror/MCU/DC comic level.
@tacit charm it has been amusing
lethal elm
why does everything have lore
Adds to the story
boreal current
Slipspace is just you traveling through another universe
Plot Twist: Everyone including the Forerunners have been travelling through the warp from Warhammer 40k
near tide
stronger? debatable
In first strike a single brute nearly killed John in hand to hand combat. Brutes are stronger than Spartans
tacit charm
first strike also highlights how tired and bruise chief is after the whole ce shanigans
burnt pulsar
In first strike a single brute nearly killed John in hand to hand combat. Brutes...
An Atriox literally won against red team in halo wars 2 he literally just beat them up
tacit charm
also not to mention that was mark 5 and man was caught off guard
are brutes more resilience and ferocious than spartans? 100%
near tide
Brutes are scary when smart
tacit charm
are brutes stronger than spartans overall? debatable but currently no
tacit charm
last time i checked a brute cant lift up a 50 ton boulder (idk halo has alot of retcons and stuff so maybe they can in the future) and punch with apparently 277 tons of force
apparently
i still need to recheck how I00 got those numbers
celest drum
Brutes are scary when smart
That's it. The smart ones, like Atriox and Tartarus, are a genuine threat, 1 on 1, to any Spartan, including the Chief. Most of them, not so much
fast falcon
I wouldn’t call Tartarus one of the smart ones lol
tacit charm
atriox is more
cringe
tacit charm
frigid oracle
atriox is more cringe
tacit charm
man needs armour
tacit charm
chad brutes like Tartarus run naked into the heat of battle
celest drum
my personal headcanon is that MC was exhausted from the attack on Infinity before Atriox showed up, which was why he was seemingly able to beat him so easily
Tartarus was definitely calculating, even if he wasn't smart
frigid oracle
yeah he was smart
fast falcon
The attack on the Infinity lasted four minutes though
And Chief has fought for hours at a time
celest drum
We really don't know how long the attack lasted, or what was happening before that
tacit charm
And Chief has fought for hours at a time
Mjolnir became heavier between shadows of reach to halo infinite, chief use to weigh 450ish kg in SoR now he weighs as much as a black hole
frigid oracle
do black holes weight anything
celest drum
Mjolnir became heavier between shadows of reach to halo infinite, chief use to w...
And he's getting older
frigid oracle
🤔
fast falcon
And he's getting older
Not that much to matter. From CE to Infinite he’s aged about 4 years technically
burnt pulsar
are brutes stronger than spartans overall? debatable but currently no
I mean it just depends on the brute’s size since they may be stronger like Atriox much bigger than some brutes so he may have more muscle
fast falcon
Plus with advances in tech, the standard age for humans has likely increased
burnt pulsar
Also chief doesn’t really age
celest drum
sergeant johnson was around 75ish
Yeah, but Johnson was a) an Orion, b) not wearing a very heavy suit of armour
tacit charm
I mean it just depends on the brute’s size since they may be stronger like Atrio...
i mean if you take halo 4 intro's visual as mostly canon chief went toe to toe with a 12ft+ tall brute and won through unknown means
tacit charm
Yeah, but Johnson was a) an Orion, b) not wearing a very heavy suit of armour
ye fair point
coarse trail
i mean if you take halo 4 intro's visual as mostly canon chief went toe to toe w...
he won thru luck which has always been his best assest, no matter how obvious that it's just plot armor
tacit charm
though ill have to check if the age in the spartan field manual of spartans can still serve in active duty for 100 years+ or something like that is legitimate or propaganda stuff
fast falcon
I don’t think there’s anything in the Orion program that would guarantee he stays younger
If anything that would be included in the SIIs program as well
Also the armour would work in their advantage, as it’s meant to increase their strength and makes things far easier for them
tacit charm
he won thru luck which has always been his best assest, no matter how obvious th...
good answer, answers a million question
coarse trail
another likely answer will be that Chief simply outspeeds that specific brute
boreal current
I mean he was very lucky a covenant ship was passing by when he was giving them back their bomb and that a pair of bombers were around to create a hole to its reactor
coarse trail
which leads to his victory over the monkey with a sick flip
tacit charm
another likely answer will be that Chief simply outspeeds that specific brute
well ye if you look at the scene that brute can't hit jack for squat
tacit charm
I mean he was very lucky a covenant ship was passing by when he was giving them ...
honestly idk if it's theory or not but i believe that one unsc cruiser that got destroyed in the cutscene was actually shielding chief from the cas' energy projector/sacrificing itself for da chief
near tide
my personal headcanon is that MC was exhausted from the attack on Infinity befor...
Chief can fight for days straight and be fine, he wasn’t exhausted when fighting Atriox
humble yacht
do black holes weight anything
Yes
Black holes have an insane amount of mass
And it’s super condensed
humble yacht
Weight is an application of force on a mass
Specially gravitational force
But nothing can out gravity a black hole
sullen grotto
yeah
frigid oracle
damn
vestal mountain
chad brutes like Tartarus run naked into the heat of battle
I opened this server and this was the first message I saw... why don't any of the brutes I fight run into battle naked
sullen grotto
being stretched like spaghetti would hurt
vestal mountain
being stretched like spaghetti would hurt
but for a second before that, your back would crack and it would be the best back crack in your life
frigid oracle
I opened this server and this was the first message I saw... why don't any of th...
they aren't chad tartarus
frigid oracle
but for a second before that, your back would crack and it would be the best bac...
true
vestal mountain
they aren't chad tartarus
LMaoooo okay
frigid oracle
i mean the brutes he fights
sullen grotto
wrong
tacit charm
I opened this server and this was the first message I saw... why don't any of th...
:)
good
split glacier
Howdy y’all
hazy roost
.
weary wigeon
if the infinity got blowed up in infinite and it literely shows that there are no survivors, does that mean that everyone on the infinity died including ppl like laskey, halsey, palmer and probably some other important ppl like osiris?
cuz if thats true
it sucks
flat bone
Well they could have escaped like the marines you see in game
fast falcon
Nah there were plenty of people who escaped onto the Ring
celest drum
if the infinity got blowed up in infinite and it literely shows that there are n...
Yes, until they aren't
weary wigeon
but espetialy laskey seems like the kinda dude to be like "Im tHE caPTain aNd Im gOinG dOWn wiTh mY ShiIIiiP"
fast falcon
Nah I don’t see him as that type
Actually nvm
He wouldn’t abandon ship if staying in some way meant saving more of his crew
weary wigeon
thats what im woried about lmao
flat bone
Nah they wouldnt kill of lasky off-screen
It would have to be an epic sacrifice moment
weary wigeon
its just that and the fact that u never see anny important charicters in game or they even get mentioned
weary wigeon
Nah they wouldnt kill of lasky off-screen
thats basicly what they did with cortana
weary wigeon
and kinda atriox exept hes not ded
weary wigeon
ye
dosent affect plot
also who is in controll of the sentinels?
have u met the monitor yet?
bc they seem to just do whaever annyone says exept the cheif
fast falcon
The monitors control the Sentinels ||but it’s assumed the Harbinger hijacked control of them or the sub monitor took control of them after she’s destroyed||
zinc void
How are humans called by the Covenant species ?
celest token
Guys in chonk suits
vestal mountain
How are humans called by the Covenant species ?
Master chief is called the demon cause he’s cool 😎
Most enemies call humans well uh.. humans
terse lava
Humans, heretics, demons(Spartans in general) The Demon(chief), imps(ODST) etc etc
ivory latch
How are humans called by the Covenant species ?
The covenant and separatist factions refers to us as humans. I’m sure they give nicknames to other humans like Chief if they are deserving. Like how they refer to John as ‘Demon’
zinc void
The covenant and separatist factions refers to us as humans. I’m sure they give ...
That’s understandable but still a little bit sad .
The elites are sangheli, the brutes jirahlnahe and us ? Humans …
versed helm
That’s understandable but still a little bit sad .
The elites are sangheli, the ...
Elites and Brutes are nicknames by humanity given to the Covies
We wouldn't nickname ourselves
ivory latch
That’s understandable but still a little bit sad .
The elites are sangheli, the ...
Yeah, a little disappointing for sure, but it keeps things simple for the story. If we were referred to by a different name, then it might make some things confusing. I’m not sure if you’ve seen any of this yet, but humanity was once in a war with the forerunners before the rings were fired. So it helps with continuity a little too
spare egret
Well I mean they say Spartans for humans sometimes
tacit charm
You still not over that?
nah im just messing around
zinc void
Elites and Brutes are nicknames by ***humanity*** given to the Covies
We wouldn...
Well yes but we called the elites sangheli
And the sangheli don’t call us Go’alud but Human which is already what we call ourselves.
tacit charm
eh the whole names given by humanity can get a bit iffy if you only play the games or specifically halo 2 Tartarus' line
ivory latch
eh the whole names given by humanity can get a bit iffy if you only play the gam...
What was tartarus’s line? I must have missed that
versed helm
tbf I don't think the Sangheili are generally all that racist towards other species considering how honor coded they are.
Not to mention the derogatory names Humanity gives the Covenant is due to shorthand recognition/understanding threat levels for marines etc
A Grunt is obviously just a Grunt
A Jackal is a stealing coward
A Brute is dumb but strong as hell
And an Elite is the Elite, not to be messed with, theres nothing to joke about
tacit charm
What was tartarus’s line? I must have missed that
it's after tartarus throws 343 at johnson
he just says "the brutes not the elites will be something something..."
hence if you only play the games it'll be a bit odd to figure out where the names came from originally
versed helm
Well yes but we called the elites sangheli
And the sangheli don’t call us Go’al...
Also they do call us "names"
Sangheili use "nishum" as an insult, basically just means worm/parasite
ivory latch
Mgalekgolo after hearing elites insult humans by calling them worms: “dude wtf”
zinc void
Mgalekgolo after hearing elites insult humans by calling them worms: “dude wtf”
"that's racist !"
Ignites energy blade
"Ok It's fine"
terse lava
In regard to the whole naming thing, besides the Sangheili themselves, we actually don't know what the other races would call themselves. All the names we have for them are what they are called in the Sangheili language
Also in the Sangheili language, humans are known as Dohmoh'Eenngahnehnn
zinc void
In regard to the whole naming thing, besides the Sangheili themselves, we actual...
thanks
terse lava
Welcome
unique rune
Also in the Sangheili language, humans are known as Dohmoh'Eenngahnehnn
gesundheit
ornate hawk
but espetialy laskey seems like the kinda dude to be like "Im tHE caPTain aNd Im...
no Chief and a team of Spartans got him to a pelican
if you listen to the audio logs it explains where most of the other important characters are
burnt pulsar
Does anyone know the lore on the Heatwave and Cindershot and why they use a different energy from other forunner weapons?
terse lava
Just simply different weapons used against the flood
unique rune
They don’t? They’re still hardlight weapons like the Forerunner weapons from 4 and 5.
fast falcon
And if you mean design and usage, that’s because the weapons are designed by different Forerunner castes
terse lava
The only castes to use them would be the warrior servants and the Builder's "Builder Security" forces. We know the heatwave was at least used by the former
fast falcon
Yeah but the gear in Infinite would explicitly be more builder weapons and the Promethean guns in 4-5 are warrior-servants
unique rune
The description for the Heatwave in Infinite specifically notes that it was used by Warrior-Servants so I dunno if the idea that they were designed by different rates necessarily holds.
terse lava
Beaides, thr scattershot was used by builder security in defending evacuation zones
fast falcon
Ah I must’ve been mistaken then
terse lava
Eh, they are robotic shells with slaved organic minds from ancient, primitive humans, and Forerunner Prometheans by the Ur- Didact to combat the flood
fast falcon
Lore wise they’re supposed to be super effective against the Flood and were probably a challenge even for the Chief
It’s hard to say imo
frigid oracle
yeah
slow coral
they could beat folod in arm wrestle
frigid oracle
flood tank?
royal sail
How are humans called by the Covenant species ?
Sangheili call humans Nishum (worms) because that's how they look to them without armour
tired terrace
tbf I don't think the Sangheili are generally all that racist towards other spec...
To any sangheili, only exceptional individuals who have proven themselves above everyone are worthy of a name. They abhor being called elites and to them most humans are not worthy of any name at all. That is why arbiter in halo 5 said demon had a hint of respect for chief, since they would’ve referred to any other human as parasite or such.
versed helm
@tacit charm Well spartans can't lift 50 tons.
tired terrace
It’s not that they’re racist but extremely prejudice to anybody who isn’t a proven or renowned warrior including other elites
versed helm
And they don't send Sangheili flying 12 meters away.
Jiralhanae pretty much with a punch send a Spartan and a Sangheili to the floor.
tired terrace
eh the whole names given by humanity can get a bit iffy if you only play the gam...
In halo 2 all references to races are called by the names the humans use, not just that one line from Tartarus
zinc void
Jiralhanae pretty much with a punch send a Spartan and a Sangheili to the floor.
MONKE STRONK !!!!
a shame they got*** SPOILERS: !!!!*** ||
their homeworld exterminatus-ed||
zinc void
Let's wish they had colonies somewhere
Well monkey do migrate I think
tired terrace
They do
tired terrace
They were given other worlds by the covenant to settle on
But they’re not doing very well
versed helm
Well monke had colonies on the moons of Doisac but we know what happened.
tired terrace
And resort to raiding sangheili colonies
zinc void
And resort to raiding sangheili colonies
KROGAN FLASHBACKS
zinc void
Monke with big hovercraft wins
Better hope they don't get Genophaged by a random ONI plot
zinc void
Better hope they're the ones raiding the ONI
"yes Mr the spook this man right there"
versed helm
Wait, ONI doesn't exist anymore, they got rekt by Guardians
Rest in piss, ONI headquarters, won't be missed
zinc void
Wait, ONI doesn't exist anymore, they got rekt by Guardians
they are like the Hydra
never gone for good
Just wait for ONI masterchief going full heil ONI
frigid oracle
the strenth debate ngl
versed helm
Well not gone but pretty much disorganized, rekt, crippled and fragmented.
fast falcon
Yeah ONI a probably has a lot of data stored away and lots of assets in other locations
Plus the head of ONI did escape Earth before the guardians arrived
frigid oracle
Elites are more or less equal to spartans in strength
brutes are stronger
versed helm
Data that cortana had access.
split glacier
hence if you only play the games it'll be a bit odd to figure out where the name...
For the record I’m still in 00
zinc void
Data that cortana had access.
HAD
frigid oracle
emphasis
versed helm
Elites aren't as strong as spartans, BUT, their combat harness augment velocity and strength, so the higher the rank the more stronger they are and closer they get to match the demons.
frigid oracle
uhh
versed helm
HAD, cause cortana looted each and then destroyed them.
frigid oracle
thats why i said more or less lol
they're super close
Xytan
yes
monke strong
zinc void
Elites aren't as strong as spartans, BUT, their combat harness augment velocity ...
that's the RAMBO paradox, elites should be able to one vs one spartans and loose but its close buut then they get krumped by the hundreds by random spartans
frigid oracle
thats why CE/Reach have stronger elites
versed helm
Remember this chieftain that launched a gravity hammer like a dozen meters to a driving hog and flipped it over with the strength in the hammer.
frigid oracle
a bit more realistic i think
frigid oracle
Remember this chieftain that launched a gravity hammer like a dozen meters to a ...
for sure
frigid oracle
meh
they could
but it would be close
also depends on the elite
dont bring Xytan to fight as random spartan
versed helm
Well spartans are stronger but not exactly resistant enough to hold a dozen of impacts from a madman elite.
frigid oracle
look
tired terrace
Xytan is probably the worst one you could pick
frigid oracle
1v1
spartan wins
elite gets close
(random spartan, random elite, physical fight)
frigid oracle
Xytan is probably the worst one you could pick
why
tired terrace
He’s literally built different compared to every other elite alive
versed helm
Spartans usually go hand to hand, disarm the elite, pulverizes flesh with a punch and destroy the bones.
Just reminds me how brutes kill minors with one pumch, shiding isn't strong enough to hold the power.
Decimus killed an elite via slamming it to the floor and before crushed the neck of other
frigid oracle
yeah brutes are stronger for sure
versed helm
And other brutes punched them in the head or chests, which sent them flying.
I like how they destroyed a dozen elites wielding energy swords.
And with little effort each fell.
tacit charm
<@433501337347424256> Well spartans can't lift 50 tons.
except chief and kelly did in shadows of reach
versed helm
except chief and kelly did in shadows of reach
No?
Spartans can't lift over 3 tons.
Lifting 400-500 extra kilograms is said to damage them if done constantly.
tacit charm
In halo 2 all references to races are called by the names the humans use, not ju...
i was really pointing more so to the fact that tartarus calls the brutes as brutes rather than the actual name
versed helm
When?
tacit charm
chief was lifting a warthog sized granite boulder
now
if you want to work out the math be my guest by most calcs place it at 50 to 100 tons
frigid oracle
uhh
versed helm
The writer didn't specify the boulder's weight.
And this plus the gravity of the planet.
tacit charm
it was reach
versed helm
yes
versed helm
Spartans can't carry 50 tons.
tacit charm
if you want to work out the numbers be my guest
versed helm
That would literally be extremely fatal.
tacit charm
For the record I’m still in 00
frigid oracle
uhh
versed helm
The boulder shouldn't have weight 50 tons lmao
frigid oracle
from what i found
it doesnt even weight 20tons
idk if i misread something
ahhh nvm
i left out height
tacit charm
The boulder shouldn't have weight 50 tons lmao
again if you have numbers show me as of now it's 50 to 100 tons
tacit charm
yes
frigid oracle
a hog is
tacit charm
also i said this yesterday but chief and co were also moving casually in a 23 g environment
tacit charm
height length and the other thing
ngl you mentioning 'thing' is already making me dubious of your calcs but go on
frigid oracle
i forgot the name lol
versed helm
It can't be as heavy as 50 tons, lxmao.
frigid oracle
and i dont know any granite boulder sizes lmao
versed helm
If it was, spartans could bunch elites flying daily.
Which is obviously not the case.
And even if the boulder was 50 tons we know how writers are with strength inconsistencies.
near tide
ngl you mentioning 'thing' is already making me dubious of your calcs but go on
You never showing how you got your numbers that you used to get your hypothesis make me dubious to your calcs
tacit charm
someone posted the calcs on either reddit or if it comes to it spacebattles, now i have a feeling it's spacebattles cause rama, if you have an issue idk post it to them im just simply going off what they gave us
hmm
found it
wow spacebattle very reliable cite ik, anyways the final number was around 42 tons to 119 tons
so again if there's anything wrong with those numbers feel free to work it out for the rest of the community
additionally there's also 00's video on "how hard can a spartan punch" which makes this whole thing even more of a mess (maybe)
stuck star
What’s the weapons name
tacit charm
Anita Weapon
round totem
Is master chief 8 years old?
tacit charm
if you want him to be sure
tacit charm
yes chief the man that fought through a 27ish year long war is totally 8 years old
unique rune
a real child prodigy
and while you’ll have to wait a bit longer for more details, we can confirm that the characters on the cover are Spartans Horvath, Stone, and Kovan
new Canon Fodder out woo
burnt pulsar
> and while you’ll have to wait a bit longer for more details, we can confirm th...
More soviet strategies too
unique rune
Scholte- and Lancer-classes both very much look like some sort of ancestors to the modern UNSC frigate design
low wing
Hey I haven't really been up to date with Halo lore
What the hecc happened in shadows of reach ?
unique rune
Blue Team goes to Reach to recover some things for Dr. Halsey while the Banished are also there searching for a hidden portal to the Ark
tacit charm
Hey I haven't really been up to date with Halo lore
What the hecc happened in sh...
atriox comes back and we miss a battle between a cso and infinity (imo infinity would quite easily to the point where one smac round is more than enough to go through the cso cause 2.1 teraton smac go brrrt💪 )
low wing
Right. Thanks
So the things they retrieved , are they relevant in any way to the events between H5 and Infinite?
unique rune
It's implied that they're the extra flash cloned brains from when Halsey created Cortana. Presumably they would've been used to create the Weapon.
gilded mason
We’ll have more details to share later this year, but Troy Denning’s next project is something you won’t want to miss. The premise alone had my jaw drop to the floor when it was described to me. We’ll be returning to a location from one of Troy’s previous books and seeing this story told through some familiar eyes. Let that one cook in your brains for a little bit!
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untold wasp
> and while you’ll have to wait a bit longer for more details, we can confirm th...
nice
also i think kovan, horvath and stone are in the same fireteam, since they have nearly the same pattern
versed helm
atriox comes back and we miss a battle between a cso and infinity (imo infinity ...
Technically SMACs aren't useful against CASs or CSOs.
It has been stated a few times that these only make holes in the ships and that's it.
If it doesn't hit anything critical the round will simply cause a hole.
tacit charm
that depends if you're talking about the earth, reach or infinity smacs
versed helm
The hundreds of torpedo launchers on the CSO, in the case of this massive vessel, are easily capable to destroy the Infinity.
tacit charm
cause reach and infinity would not only put more than a hole it'll just outright obliterate it
versed helm
that depends if you're talking about the earth, reach or infinity smacs
The ODPs aren't powerful enough to destroy a ship with one shot. The round will pass through, yes, but it won't do anything other than a hole and 'minor' explosions inside.
It's been stated.
versed helm
The Infinity's SMAC is more powerful, yes, but still not enough to destroy a ship with it.
tacit charm
also think you're looking at normal macs
tacit charm
The Infinity's SMAC is more powerful, yes, but still not enough to destroy a shi...
wat?
tacit charm
ghost of onyx several destroyers and heavy cruisers got wiped out by 210 megatons
versed helm
The CSO would send a dozen of volleys towards the Infinity, the first few would pulverize the shielding and the rest would pierce through the thick plating of the warship, causing it to go down.
tacit charm
what you mean
versed helm
ghost of onyx several destroyers and heavy cruisers got wiped out by 210 megaton...
Destroyers and Cruisers.
Not carriers, or a supercarrier.
These vessels count with inferior shielding and less weaponry than the powerful carriers.
tacit charm
infinity smacs literally 10,000 times more powerful than in gjost of onyx
versed helm
It's just that the calculations are completely wrong.
versed helm
It isn't calculations, is the ship being more powerful, and this calculations come from theories of the power of the vessels.
Theories which are, theories.
tacit charm
Ghost of onyx, fall of reach, early cole engagements with the cov, envoy, spartan ops, shadow of intent, halo 3, divine wind, fleet battles, halo essential visual guide, silent storm, halsey journal
all these sources point to cov ships actually being in single digit megatons
no where close to gigatons and/or teratons
versed helm
Early Cole Engagements with the Covenant, laughs in dozens of vessels being destroyed and Cole being forced to line up all his ships to fire focused fire against a SINGLE DESTROYER
tacit charm
ye
versed helm
To eventually succeed but count with extremely heavy losses.
tacit charm
dozen of 64 kiltons
versed helm
Yeah, that proves less.
versed helm
The destroyer, as said in cole, easily tanked the rounds of sucessive fire, enough to the point to obliterate a lot of Cole's fleet.
tacit charm
ye
versed helm
However, the concentrated fire eventually made the destroyer go down.
tacit charm
you're not getting it
those macs were literally thousands of times weaker than the reach and infinity smacs
if you're wondering reach odp outputs 51 gigatons
which is far far more powerful than any 64 to 400 kilotons macs on any ships during the human cov war
and again
literally just one out of many examples
versed helm
Wait a minute, I don't recall seeing any of these numbers.
Lmao, from where you got 'em?
WAIT LET ME GUESS, A REDDIT OR SPACEBATTLES GROUP.
tacit charm
fall of reach and extrapolation of other sources
plus (depends on notebook for fleetbattles) fleetbattles
tacit charm
WAIT LET ME GUESS, A REDDIT OR SPACEBATTLES GROUP.
no
versed helm
Wasn't the Infinity doomed by four warships of the Banished?
tacit charm
that site (unless talking about forerunners) was useless
tacit charm
Wasn't the Infinity doomed by four warships of the Banished?
ye those dreadnaught caught the infinity offguard
and was also ramming the infinity
versed helm
That's a good point, but still several volleys of torpedos would take it down.
Torpedos are absolutely powerful.
ornate hawk
we talking about infinity vs a CSO or a CAS?
versed helm
VS a CSO.
ornate hawk
oh Infinity gets molly whopped
unless it catches the CSO by surprise its not even close and even then we are talking about a ship thats 30km long lmao
tacit charm
heavy cruiser and several destroyers by 210 megatons (mind you a destroyer's energy projector and shield output are mostly similar to one another and it is stated a destroyer's energy is as powerful as a cas' projector in turn shield output)
ye
i have a feeling no one has any idea how powerful 2.1 teraton is
also
versed helm
The Infinity will do great damage with the SMACs, causing severe explosions on a area of the vessel, the rounds will probably pass through, however, by the time the Infinity released fire with the SMACs a hundred of volleys struck through the shielding, destroying it.
versed helm
i have a feeling no one has any idea how powerful 2.1 teraton is
Yes we are aware.
tacit charm
funny to note that the cso at reach got scared off by the odp even though that shipmaster was desperate for forerunner Mcguffins and glory in battle, odd