Noble 6...doesn't have a character.
I'm not even sure what you could do with him if he was put into another story. There's nothing to explore or do with him since there's so little there.
#lore-and-universe
craggy sierra
pale zenith
ya id rather see gray team tbh
indigo flame
crisp tusk
Just finished reading shadow of intent
Good book for how short it is
Joseph Staten is hella skilled
ashen abyss
Did Master Chief get taller in Halo 4 ending?
crisp tusk
Altho I'm kinda sad the plot twist wasnt anything special
low whale
Did Master Chief get taller in Halo 4 ending?
Haha yeah he looks enormous at the end
crisp tusk
Did Master Chief get taller in Halo 4 ending?
He did get enhanced by the librarian to survive the composer, but nothing changed in terms of his physique
ashen abyss
Yeah
ashen abyss
He did get enhanced by the librarian to survive the composer, but nothing change...
Then how is that there is height difference between Palmer and John, when meeting her first and at the end
low whale
https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/2sywm8/master_chiefs_height_in_halo_4_discrepancies_or/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share looks like mostly funky camera angles
ashen abyss
So still no canonical answer?
low whale
His height didn't change is the canon
versed helm
The actual answer is Spartan biped model height
All Spartans in Halo 4 (And every other Halo with the exception of Reach) are the exact same height and that cutscene was an in engine render so
Theres your answer
Its a lot more noticeable in 5, since all of Blue team is identical in height to Osiris
The reason they do those camera angles is to make Chief appear taller
dense pulsar
Don't they just reuse the Master Chief model for multi-player Spartans?
versed helm
Theres never a different between Campaign and Multiplayer Spartan's other than appearances lol
Chief is built off the multiplayer Spartans tho, not the other way around
unique rune
I'm pretty sure the height disparities in the end cutscene of 4 are supposed to be symbolic and not meant to be taken as literal canon. In armor he's still only 6" taller than Palmer, not an entire head and some change.
stuck onyx
So still no canonical answer?
I suspect it's just a mismatch between the CG team and the Ingatestone graphics team. Perhaps no one noticed until it was too late. Since CG is expensive as hell. Or perhaps they hadn't decided on the heights of the New Spartans until after they'd done this cutscene.
boreal current
Anyone else surprised Pavium is apparently from the Rh'tol skein(ie the more savage of the two Brute ethnic groups)?
fast falcon
Y’know I was a little when I noticed the um in his name, then I realized that it sorta makes sense as the Banished may sorta pull in outsiders of social groups like that(especially since given Voridus’ name it implies he’s from the other ethnic group) and the pack they lead is more enlightened a little
boreal current
I think the us is something both groups use since Tartarus was Rh’tol it’s just that the Rh’tol skein also uses um as well
fast falcon
That makes sense
I could buy that some brutes when they get older choose what to add onto their name as a mark of adulthood
Rather than just taking the us or um by default
frigid oracle
atriox
tacit charm
I'm pretty sure the height disparities in the end cutscene of 4 are supposed to ...
ye i would take halo 4's size and scaling with a grain of salt, for e.g look at every elite in that game they're literally 9'5ft (lore wise im fine with that but it's literally every single elite so ye), mantle's approach and one of the most funniest scaling of a ship the infinity. if you use the phantoms and cruisers as a measuring unit then the infinity comes out to hundreds to thousands of kms long and yo average marine would be like 30 ft tall or a km tall
frigid oracle
keep in mind
tacit charm
keep in mind
never
frigid oracle
atriox's real name is pronounced a tree
boreal current
Honestly I hope we get a book that explores the two groups more. From what I understand all we have so far is that the Rh’tol are more savage than the Vheiloth which is shown by their differing stances on raiding other species( ie the Rh’tol believe it shows their strength while the Vheiloth consider it as an unfortunate necessity)
tacit charm
and tartarus was once called tartar
fast falcon
Brute names are kinda cute like that when you think about it
Imagine a young Pavi and Vorid running around
Or a child named Tartar
boreal current
Brute names are kinda cute like that when you think about it
Monkeys are cute when they are little. Tartar got big
frigid oracle
who else is there
fast falcon
Monkeys are cute when they are little. Tartar got big
I now hate Cortana more than anything when I realize ||all the baby monke she killed on Doisac||
frigid oracle
tremoni
unique rune
Sounds like some kind of cheese product
boreal current
I now hate Cortana more than anything when I realize ||all the baby monke she ki...
Same. I don’t think the brutes are quite as evil/nasty as people think. I think if you earn their loyalty they’re good allies
fast falcon
Honestly I’m of the mindset that technically speaking no race is evil by default, but rather live by their own nature which is terribly different from humans
Given the chance, I think humans and brutes would actually be rather close socially in some instances
I really hope we can get to a point in the series where humanity lives more openly with alien races, like how Mass Effect is
But that’s hard to display given the different nature of the two series
boreal current
That’s going to take a few decades at least in universe
fast falcon
Yeah I know
But grunts, elite, and brutes I can all see humans living rather close with eventually
boreal current
Grunts seem to be on the “best” terms with everyone
frigid oracle
ye
fast falcon
Of all the covenant races they also lack leadership the most and as a race just kinda fall under others easily
frigid oracle
most peaceful
boreal current
Well there’s also the drones who have just kept to themselves
fast falcon
They’re a hive mind though, so they as a race really can’t interact with humans the same way
frigid oracle
they miss lore
fast falcon
Ngl I kinda miss drones
boreal current
The prophets are likely the most hated race. I hope the stoics don’t suffer for that if they’re still around
tired terrace
Ironically
It would actually be jackals
Jackals will do anything and everything if it is . . .
Profitable
fast falcon
The prophets are likely the most hated race. I hope the stoics don’t suffer for ...
Def the most hated race, though I can see the elites and brutes both coming close, mainly for their mass manipulation of all the covenant races and how the Hierarchs acted
boreal current
Imagine if there will be a book where a splinter group discovers the location of the Prophet homeworld and invades it
tired terrace
There is no prophet homeworld
boreal current
The prophets claimed it was destroyed but there’s enough ambiguity there that they may have been lying
tired terrace
The dome of high charity is what’s left of their homeworld
Before they formed the covenant with the sangheili with the writ of union the san’shyuum were in their own civil war on their home planet
It only ended when one side left on the forerunner dreadnought located on the planet which tore it in half and took a piece of it with them
boreal current
Yes and in Broken Circle a prophet(after meeting the elites) was sent back to the homeworld on an expedition where the stoics were very much alive
tired terrace
But that was still over 3000 years before the games take place
And the san’shyuum claimed 200 years after that expedition a supernova destroyed what was left
They wouldn’t even be welcome back on the planet by their own people if they did actually lie
green relic
Master chief wears Mjolnir
low whale
I assume he had odst gear on
tacit charm
nah master chief's armour is his skin so in a sense he's always naked
tacit charm
low whale
make it funnier 😤 😤
tacit charm
💪 
🤌
🦵 🦶
low whale
"Locklear is an ODST, but he does not have a full-covering body armor like the Halo 2-3 ODSTs." ah apparently not
green relic
nah master chief's armour is his skin so in a sense he's always naked
Thats... why did you say that?
manic pivot
muscle tashi pinched_fingers
leg foot
low whale
so true
hollow folio
quick question, are there any important lore elites that are normal enemies in the campaign?
gilded mason
What do you mean by "normal enemies"?
hollow folio
so imagine killing a casual elite ultra but is there any knowledge of enemies like that that are actually important to the lore
gilded mason
Considering they are just standard NPCs with not even any names associated with them....no.
low whale
reach was meant to have the future arbiter but he got renamed
otherwise not that I know of
hollow folio
ok because i was just wondering if like an enemy in a campaign would be mentioned in a book or other media
but thanks
gilded mason
reach was meant to have the future arbiter but he got renamed
What do you mean?
low whale
there's a story-relevant spartan in reach that was planned (idk how strongly) to be thel'vadam, but got renamed
there's still a line along the lines of "they'll either kill you or make you arbiter for this" I think?
it's been mentioned here before I'm not certain of specifics
fast falcon
CE had tat one spec ops elite, didn’t it?
frigid oracle
CE had a buncha named elites
gilded mason
Retroactively, yes.
frigid oracle
wdym
gilded mason
As in, when the game came out, there were no named Elites. It was only when the novelization came out later on that a few that you encounter in-game were given names.
frigid oracle
yeah they still are named smh
fast falcon
Yes, just retroactively
obsidian thistle
Halo CE had some retroactive named characters.
And there is isolated cases in the fiction also like a named Brute Chieftain in Halo 3.
But outside that Halo Infinite is the game to do the most named characters lol
compact cosmos
Was it the brute chieftain that challenged chief to a duel?
Can somebody tell me about that lore wise?
No yt videos and it sounds awesome
prime creek
Wait Jul actually died in that opening sequence of Guardians, really? I thought he was just wounded... he really went out just like that????
Also, question for y'all:
I'm interested in reading Halo: The Flood, but the author of that book is known in the Mass Effect fandom for writing the worst Mass Effect story in existence. He's hated, professionally speaking, by all Mass Effect fans. Did he do a better job with The Flood?
fast falcon
Wait which book did he write? Was it the one with Kai Leng eating cereal?
gilded mason
Wait Jul actually died in that opening sequence of Guardians, really? I thought ...
I mean...we never saw him again. And all dialogue regarding him later said he was dead.
unique rune
Also, question for y'all:
I'm interested in reading Halo: The Flood, but the a...
I enjoyed The Flood but it’s been a while since I last read it. Never read any ME stuff so I can’t really compare them.
It’s a pretty straightforward adaptation of the events of Combat Evolved, so the parts about the Chief can get a bit repetitive because you can only really write “he shot lots of aliens and pushed some buttons” so many ways. But content original to the book was generally pretty solid.
prime creek
Wait which book did he write? Was it the one with Kai Leng eating cereal?
Yep! It's the one someone made an entire re-creation of using rage comics lol
prime creek
I enjoyed The Flood but it’s been a while since I last read it. Never read any M...
Well Halo CE doesn't really feel like it has much of a story when I play it, but I've loved the Halo books so far so I'll probably enjoy this one based on what you said!
rich palm
oh yeah with anime halsey
Square Enix moment
main rivet
Also, question for y'all:
I'm interested in reading Halo: The Flood, but the a...
I will strongly defend Halo: The Flood (if we're talking worst Halo novels there's a couple I'd put above it in a heartbeat, and it's had some surprising connections to later stuff. Did a retrospective article on it as well: http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/hindsight/theflood/)
But it's still a novelization of a game that apparently had some heavy restrictions on content (the way Dietz tells it, he had to basically ask to add stuff that wasn't in the game, and it absolutely spends too much time still regurgitating that stuff you know.) and like The Fall of Reach suffers from some early installment weirdness where everyone was figuring things out as they went.
Probably the better version of The Flood is a version that line-edits out another 50% of the game stuff, because the secondary characters and plots (the defense of Alpha Base, poor Jenkins' fun as a Flood form, the tale of Zuka 'Zamamee) are great.
A lot of the hate for it also comes from Dietz having a different interpretation of the Chief, that frankly is a) closer to the games, and b) I think better IMO than Nylund's, but given that Nylund's books were liked more and set more of a template for the series that's always been a sore point for some people.
But to answer your original point, I guess, no, the hate for The Flood is apparently nowhere near what it was for the Mass Effect novel. While I'm not intimately familiar with the kerfuffle reading up it sounds much more like the comparative Halo novel is Karen Traviss' Glasslands.
prime creek
Probably the better version of _The Flood_ is a version that line-edits out anot...
Thank you for the writeup! This is exactly the analysis I was looking for. It honestly sounds like something I'd appreciate as someone who likes stories that flesh out more of the background of games I play
main rivet
Yeah I definitely think you'll get something out of it.
prime creek
On a connected note, what's the consensus on Halsey's Journal? And is that considered totally canon?
main rivet
Yep, totally canon. There's nothing really in Halo that's outright not canon outside of a short from Halo Legends; some stuff has been retconned (hence Halsey's Journal doing some of that for Reach) but at worst the Halo franchise just "never speaks of this again" with stuff.
feral skiff
Wort
prime creek
Yep, totally canon. There's nothing really in Halo that's outright not canon out...
Thanks man, you've helped me a lot here
main rivet
Thanks man, you've helped me a lot here
NP!
obsidian thistle
Hey I defend Halo: The Flood also xD
prime creek
I know it's generally well-liked by the community, I was just curious because of the author connection
ornate hawk
Was it the brute chieftain that challenged chief to a duel?
his name was Cethegus
after Tartarus was killed he wanted to assume his role, and believed that killing Chief would prove to Truth that he was worthy of it
unique rune
Seethegus
loud fjord
How Canon is Nolan Bryne's death? I swear I read he died somewhere but I can't recall in which book or comic.
unique rune
Halopedia says he was killed during the Battle of Earth, citing a Catalog post on Waypoint.
Doesn't seem like it was ever in a book or comic.
loud fjord
And the web page listed as a source is a dead link it seems, I'm gonna consider him dead then.
Was hoping for more possible Orions to be out there
boreal fox
I've seen 'if halo 5 was lore accurate' yt videos, but is that actually true? Like would totally demolish locke hands down?
I'd like the answer to be yes lol, but I also like the truth
fast falcon
I’d say the strength of the hits was more accurate but that would be the strength of both of them
near tide
I've seen 'if halo 5 was lore accurate' yt videos, but is that actually true? Li...
Chief would still win, but he wouldn’t annihilate Locke
fast falcon
Spartan IVs armour is meant to be more advanced to help keep at the level of Spartan IIs, while Chief would be holding back in the fight as well
Plus Locke likely had time to analyze Chiefs fighting style and attempt to counter them
Chief would def win. I think how it was presented in the game wasn’t the best showing choreographically, but that’s about how it would go down I feel
indigo ingot
In your opinion who is the most evil person allied with the unsc
I'd say either Halsey or thel
fast falcon
Thel isn’t really evil
near tide
He glassed a bunch of human planets
fast falcon
He was more so just loyal to the Covenant and it took actually showing the flaws in their religion to make him realize that they were misleading him
indigo ingot
He still killed over a billion people he probably thought to himself about that post war
fast falcon
Oh he’s definitely thought that to himself, my point is that morally speaking he was only part of a greater society that indoctrinated and lead him to do such things
indigo ingot
Yeah
valid hemlock
I've seen 'if halo 5 was lore accurate' yt videos, but is that actually true? Li...
No, cause neither of them wanted to "demolish" the other one
fast falcon
And again, when he realized the whole religion the covenant had used to make the elites and everyone else follow was false, he immediately started changing his ways
indigo ingot
It makes sense he spent more time on sanggelios than working with humans cause most humans during the later war probably lost loved ones due to thel
fast falcon
Also because just being an ally to humans was less important than saving his whole race from the civil wars they’d plunged themselves into and reunite their race after the covenant fell
unique rune
I wouldn't say Halsey was necessarily 'evil' either. Her work did involve a lot of morally questionable decisions but some of it, like the Spartan-II program, was kind of a "ONI will get someone worse to do it if I don't".
fast falcon
Yeah
It’s worth remembering there was a whole organization that authorized and supported her as she did so
And in the end, they sorta did do that with the SIII program
Get someone worse I mean
indigo ingot
It's kinda hard given their on our side but they would be most likely to be an antagonist besides the covenant or flood if you didn't play as the cheif
fast falcon
I wouldn’t say it’s that hard to look at allied characters morality objectively
Serin Osman didn’t kidnap 75 kids, but she did try and instigate a civil war between a majorly friendly group to the UNSC after the war was over
indigo ingot
So if all the female brutes were on doisac all the brutes will slowly die off so Cortana doesn't have to tell "brutes! They don't have Sheild generators but take them out before... It's beserking!"
unique rune
I mean I would imagine there would be female Jiralhanae in places that weren't on Doisac.
craggy sierra
Serin Osman didn’t kidnap 75 kids, but she did try and instigate a civil war bet...
A millitarized friendly group with overwhelming religious violance against humanity who murdered several billion people.
Halo is a fairly grounded universe and this type of stuff happens in real life.
fast falcon
The fact it does happen in real life doesn’t make it any less evil
gilded mason
Indeed.
fast falcon
Engineering a civil war in a group that’s friendly and would be bound to only get more of those friendly to you killed(as well as numerous civilians) is a rather villainous move imo
loud fjord
In your opinion who is the most evil person allied with the unsc
Paragosky.
fast falcon
That’s a good answer
gilded mason
Yeah, that's probably it, as far as I can recall.
craggy sierra
Like the post war population of elites outnumbered all of humanity basically 6:1. They could basically roll up and finish off humanity basically in an afternoon.
Crappy as it is it was also probably the best idea at the time to make sure humanity wouldn't get curb stomped.
fast falcon
Cool motive, still evil
craggy sierra
Evil's kind of a hard thing to gauge when trying to decide choices about who lives or dies.
indigo ingot
I mean I would imagine there would be female Jiralhanae in places that weren't o...
Well high charity is gone and the brutes aren't known for colonizing planets and female brutes don't fight in the military so there are probably very few females brutes at least
loud fjord
Some female brutes are in cylixes at least
unique rune
The Covenant had settled Jiralhanae populations across a number of their own worlds. I doubt they'd be that uncommon.
indigo ingot
Yeah but idk of it's enough for all the brutes
loud fjord
Would there be more female brutes due to all of the males getting thinned a bit in the schism?
gilded mason
Evil's kind of a hard thing to gauge when trying to decide choices about who liv...
It's a bit more obvious when the people involved are also morally...not there. Like Parangosky's plan also involving killing all the Elites on Sanghelios and then recolonizing it. Or Vaz's whole thing.
craggy sierra
Yea...yeaaaaaaaaaah
loud fjord
I have no clue why Traviss gave Parangosky a pass
fast falcon
Paragnosky also authorized everything done in the SII and SIII programs
loud fjord
Yeah but she was shocked about the clones dying that was just a weird plot point
fast falcon
The clones I’d argue was a bit more morally sound, as Halsey at least gave the families peace of mind and didn’t make their families think their kid vanished
gilded mason
My biggest issue with that whole Kilo-5 debacle was how easily it'd backfire on humanity. Which it did. Like how ONI self-admittedly did the mission without knowing anything about the local politics, or acted against the one group at the time that wanted humanity to also succeed. Which makes anything like doing everything using ONI uniforms and ships very dumb.
Like, Thel was doing pretty good beforehand in trying to remain top dog while convincing everyone to not be weird towards humanity. And those against him either had no way to attack him, or weren't really motivated to. Which changed thanks to Kilo-5's actions.
loud fjord
I did like Kilo five for some aspects of it, Juls scenes were nice.
tired terrace
Like the post war population of elites outnumbered all of humanity basically 6:1...
They were too busy fighting each other to care enough about humanity
Thel is unsurpassed at everything
I would not be surprised if the time he returns in infinite he has successfully united sanghelios
ornate hawk
They were too busy fighting each other to care enough about humanity
this^
gilded mason
I would not be surprised if the time he returns in infinite he has successfully ...
He already did in H5. The only holdout left by then was Suniaon.
ornate hawk
While the Swords of Sangheilios now have control over majority of the Urs system, there's still plenty of covenant remnant and Sangheili militant groups that are opposed to them for several reasons. Some oppose the Arbiter, some oppose peace with humans, some still worship the Covenant religion in some form, etc. But at the end of the day yeah they're too busy in civil conflicts, for most of them as long as humanity doesnt try to get involved in Sangheili business they dont care what the humans do
main rivet
I’d be curious if the Created caused the Sangheili to rally together.
Have to think after a half-decade of civil unrest there’d be plenty who would be happy to join the clear winner.
Especially when there’s a larger threat.
pulsar crescent
If the created did intend to cause the sangheili to unite, where would that fall under Cortana's plan? She would literally create another force that would rebel against her
gilded mason
Fuchsdh didn't imply that the Created intended for the Sangheili to unite against them, if you thought that was what they meant.
near tide
She didn’t intend for that to happen
fast falcon
I wonder how she would plan to deal with Thel
||With Atriox she threatened to, and then did blow up Doisac because he resisted her rule||
main rivet
Curious what the background and timeframe of those flashbacks were, and why Cortana would specifically threaten Atriox.
Obviously she didn’t bother with the UNSC but I suppose she had no expectation they would cow to her, she knew them well.
ornate hawk
I’d be curious if the Created caused the Sangheili to rally together.
if they did it would only be the ones who still worship the Forerunners
mental plover
versed helm
Because even the created fear the wrath of Chips Dubbo
humble yacht
Too many dingos eating babies
versed helm
Too many babies eating Dingos
warm fable
too many baby-eating dingos
pulsar grail
She ruined the earth sandwich
frail oak
Why's everyone talking about baby eating dingoes
talk about insensitive lmao
boreal fox
Is the armour customization on halo infinite lore accurate? I mean, it would make sense that some things are only compatible with one armour core, because they were designed for that armour core - like the 'heros of reach' it's feasible that those characters were all issued with the same armour core, so that's why they all fall into one armour core in the game. TBH that is the only reason I have found to like the infinite customization, so if I'm wrong, can anyone give me a reason to still like the customization limitations? haha
grim shore
That's the way I understand it, each MK suit variation has its own core. You still can't make me believe Noble team wasn't initially intended to be Blue team at some point though. Based on the latest book where Blue team goes back to sword base to retrieve Cortana's clone. I feel like this was the original intent of Reach the game.
unique rune
Is the armour customization on halo infinite lore accurate? I mean, it would mak...
I'm going to go with probably not.
Infinite doesn't seem to explicitly mention anywhere that the Mk.V[B] armor components have been upgraded for compatibility with GEN3 systems, but it'd be silly if they hadn't been, especially since GEN2 saw numerous GEN1 armor permutations, even going as far back as standard Mk.IV, ported to the GEN2 platform with few to no issues.
Unless the Mk.V[B] core is explicitly intended to be unmodified GEN1 Mk.V[B] (which really doesn't make much sense), there shouldn't be any canonical reason for them to not be cross-compatible with something like the Mk.VII core.
low whale
I think halo wars 2 had mk 5 upgraded to 7?
or one of the associated books?
someone was talking about it the other day
unique rune
HW2 had Red Team upgrade their GEN1 Mk.IV armor to some kind of GEN1/GEN2 hybrid using components found on the Ark.
Can't think of anything else that would fit that concept.
grim shore
Other than chief's cryo cortana "upgrades" in Halo 5 that's was the only one I remember.
keen snow
Is the armour customization on halo infinite lore accurate? I mean, it would mak...
Think it's a sliding scale. on one hand IRL militaries love to retrofit old stuff for as long as they can, so refitting old Mk 5 stock to the new specs is pretty likely. On the other hand, stuff like the cat ears and/or samurai armor might have only gotten to MAYBE the concept phase if someone at Misireah Armories was locked in the CAD drafting room for a month with nothing but a few copies of Shonin Jump and a literal pound of cocaine
boreal fox
Think it's a sliding scale. on one hand IRL militaries love to retrofit old stuf...
Hahahahahaha
keen snow
Or if we're still doing the Halo 4 thing of canonizing the multiplayer as spartan training simulations... the sillier armor might be the result of one of the techs who helped run the simulations being bored and programing them in for giggles.
cold turret
"The group hurried onward and reached the next room, where they found another naked Elite wielding a cricket bat."
halo wiki flood page
cold turret
yeah
genuine spookyness but I cant help but imagine some shaun of the dead elite fighting flood with a cricket bat
low whale
yeah super spooky
feral skiff
They planned to go to a bar till the flood outbreak blew over
main rivet
I think the best way to handwave a lot of the stuff, beyond Fractures, is that they're one-off prototypes or limited-run stuff for specific purposes, not intended to be mass-produced.
Also, given what we know of the combat simulations, it's possible some of the stuff (like armor effects) is basically client-side stuff fed to the Spartans via neural implants.
half apex
hey anyone know what happened to agryna after we see her leave in the academy?
tired terrace
He already did in H5. The only holdout left by then was Suniaon.
Sunaion was only the covenants last stronghold on sanghelios
Not every house in sanghelios supports arbiter
tired terrace
It was the covenant nonetheless, just jul’s one
gilded mason
not the covenants, the storm covenants
Jul's Covenant isn't called the Storm Covenant, just as an FYI
gilded mason
Sunaion was only the covenants last stronghold on sanghelios
Yeah, I was mainly referring to what the Universe page for the SoS said.
https://archives.halopedia.org/waypoint/www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/factions/swords-of-sanghelios.html
[...] the Swords have become the effective world government of Sanghelios, led by the Arbiter and a grand council of Kaidons. Should the Covenant be defeated, it is these great leaders who will forge a new path for the Sangheili.
tired terrace
i dont count it as real covenant 😩
You’re nitpicking too much with it
unique rune
Well, I mean, they aren't really the "real" Covenant.
frigid oracle
thats what im saying
tired terrace
Neither am I saying that, but that is their name
frigid oracle
not really
the banished made their army and all
and built it up
while everyone dealt with the Jul
i forgot the number but
blue team for sure
Jorge
unique rune
digital parrot
You think Spartans have to work out with weights to retain muscle mass? Lol
I’m at the gym and just thought of this
unique rune
You think Spartans have to work out with weights to retain muscle mass? Lol
Probably. They’re still human.
quick slate
Just better
unique rune
Granted, they’d be seeing active field duty often enough that I doubt they’d need to work out terribly often to compensate.
But presumably just like any other human, they'd have to make sure to use their muscles frequently to ensure they don't begin to deteriorate.
digital parrot
Yeah that’s what I’m saying
Human body with many of its parts is “use it or lose it”
Just wondered other than squad training if they did things such as lift or run
Who knows
low whale
Yes they do have to exercise
grave pollen
What were the covenant digging for in New Mombasa during Halo ODST?
gilded mason
The Ark portal
grave pollen
The Ark portal
Thanks
leaden cobalt
Imagine there's just an ark portal casually beneath the the continental crust of East Africa💀
grave pollen
So this is the information the engineer held? Seems redundant considering MC took the portal there
fast falcon
They spend a fair amount of their time in environments with simulated gravity though, like military ships and stations, so that wouldn’t be as big of an issue
It becomes a large problem when spending extended periods of time in zero gravity
acoustic adder
ornate hawk
the banished didnt really "take over"
but they are now the biggest threat to humanity out of all the covenant splinter groups
fast falcon
Yeah they were just the group to amass the most power out of the splinter groups, including the SOS
Helps that they let the other major splinter groups and the UNSC fight for a while after the war
versed helm
Noble Six is a Sigma Male because he's a lone wolf
He's all about the Sigma Male grind set 
unique rune
Y'know, I never thought about it before, but B312's whole "lone wolf" schtick seems really weird given the context of Beta Company's training putting extra emphasis on the idea of team cohesion.
versed helm
(context: I've been seeing Sigma Male memes, it made me realize Noble Six is basically this lmao)
versed helm
Y'know, I never thought about it before, but B312's whole "lone wolf" schtick se...
Oh yeah that is weird!
He really is a Sigma Male LOL
gilded mason
Y'know, I never thought about it before, but B312's whole "lone wolf" schtick se...
Apparently it's because Ackerson tended to use him personally for stuff, or something.
versed helm
So out of the 418 Spartan candidates claimed for Beta-5, is there any Spartan from it that is still alive? I'd safely assume they all died on Reach
unique rune
Tom-B292, Lucy-B091, and Owen-B096 are known to have survived the Human-Covenant War.
versed helm
Tom-B292, Lucy-B091, and Owen-B096 are known to have survived the Human-Covenant...
Yeah but I'm talking about Beta-5 Spartans
unique rune
Beta-5?
versed helm
Born in Damask on Jericho VII before its glassing on February 12, 2535,[1] B312 was one of the 418 candidates claimed in 2537 by ONI's Beta-5 Division for training in Beta Company of the SPARTAN-III program.
unique rune
Beta-5 is just the division of ONI Section 3 that handled the Spartan-III program.
versed helm
Beta-5 is just the division of ONI Section 3 that handled the Spartan-III progra...
Yeah, but they took in 418 candidates. So how many of them are still alive, or did they all die on Reach?
I'm just trying to find a list of Spartans from that pool of 418 candidates
unique rune
418 candidates is the total number taken for Beta Company. Most of them are unidentified.
versed helm
Oh well that explains it, I was looking for the Beta Company page LOL
Yeah you answered my question
It's just Tom, Lucy and Owen
And possibly SPARTAN-B170
near tide
Yeah, but they took in 418 candidates. So how many of them are still alive, or d...
Most of them died on Pegasi Delta(300 or so)
valid hemlock
Why brutes don't have armor in halo 2?
In contact harvest it is explicitely said that the brutes on Rapid conversion had ones, and in reach the brutes have some armor
Is there a canonical reason?
west rune
they have armor in halo 2
terse lava
They don't, besides an occasional helmet or shoulder pad
west rune
oh ok
terse lava
As for the reason, Tartarus and those under him were part of a Jiralhanae skien culture that held strength in higher regard over technology. As for why it was different with his uncle, could either be seen as personal choice between the two as a form of leadership, or a form of punishment for what happened at Harvest
valid hemlock
As for the reason, Tartarus and those under him were part of a Jiralhanae skien ...
Yeah, that's kinda what is bugging me off, the whole "honor" thing on tartarus when he's been clearly said to use armor
ornate hawk
Why brutes don't have armor in halo 2?
it was just their style
Tartarus had his fur grown out, so the brutes under his command followed
which is a plot hole to me given since he was chieftan of the jiralhane all brutes were technically under his command lmao
stiff plank
So MJOLNIR armor is made out of titanium, but what are the visors for the helmets made out of?
rose sedge
@stiff plank Most are a one way reflective coating though, which is most evident on Emile, as he has a skull scratched into his front, but it doesn't have an impact on his visor/hud.
ornate hawk
So MJOLNIR armor is made out of titanium, but what are the visors for the helmet...
likely ceramic with other materials to strengthen it
it has to be some type of glass/ceramic base given we’ve seen Chief and Noble 6’s visors crack and shatter
stiff plank
Is there a specific material for it or just some sort of fusion between existing ones?
versed helm
Most of them died on Pegasi Delta(300 or so)
Oh so that's where they died, must be Operatio TORPEDO
Also, I cannot wait until at some point we geth the MA5K carbine as an Assault Rifle cosmetic
https://www.halopedia.org/MA5K_carbine
What helmet is Fred wearing?
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/3/3f/HM-FredOnyx.png
ornate hawk
Is there a specific material for it or just some sort of fusion between existing...
i mean it could be both
for example ODST visors could be one and Spartan visors could be another
stiff plank
I was thinking of real world materials that could be used, such as polycarbonate
But I don’t think the cracks and crazing on that match up with the cracks Noble 6 would get during Lone Wolf, though it may for Emile’s helmet
unique rune
What helmet is Fred wearing?
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/3/3f/HM-FredOnyx.p...
Canonically it should be some sort of prototype model for the GEN2 iteration of Centurion-class armor.
The proportions aren’t quite exact and it oddly looks kinda similar to the Soldier-class helmet, but at the time he would’ve been wearing the same prototype Centurion GEN2 depicted in H2A’s Terminals.
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/d/d3/H2A_Terminals_-_BlueTeam.jpg
ebon coyote
im about to be VERY uncharacteristically optimistic here and say...
that if the Spirit of Fire can be recovered...her forges MIGHT be able to repair the downed frigate at Outpost Tremonious
as for the infinity?? her huragok are SO going to have their hands full
if she can be salvaged at all...which i HOPE she can be...be a shame to lose her
glacial oracle
that if the Spirit of Fire can be recovered...her forges MIGHT be able to repair...
Highly optimistic as in my belief its thoroughly impossible. The frigate is torn to shreds and has been sitting like that exposed to the environments for months. Nothing can repair that baby back to life.
glacial oracle
as for the infinity?? her huragok are SO going to have their hands full
Was surprised we saw no Hurgaoks in the campaign but that is reliant on the Infinity not being in multiple pieces halfway across the ring and back. I would imagine the Banished would have also hijacked whatever was left of the Infinity for parts.
wet notch
is echo-216 a D77 or a D79?
model resembles D77 but D79s are the new UNSC standard i thought
versed helm
In halo is there like a head precursor or something close to the almighty god
unique rune
is echo-216 a D77 or a D79?
It’s not really clear and hasn’t been identified, at least not to my knowledge. Strangely enough, some of the audio from the Pelican’s AI says “D79,” though I’m not exactly sure if it’s meant to be in reference to the dropship’s model or not.
Curious if the Art of Halo Infinite ever touches on the Pelican, come to think of it.
wet notch
definitely doesnt resemble a D79 but thats interesting
could be an oversight maybe?
or maybe the unsc redesigned the D79 idk
wet notch
also does anyone know why there arent any ODST ingame? i remember them being mentioned and that they landed on the ring but i havent seen any
sullen grotto
probably just not added in or an in universe explanation would be alot of them died
versed helm
@valid hemlock
The reason of this is exactly the same as to why Jiralhanae armor is different in every game.
Jiralhanae armor have variants which apparently are prefered by each different group of brutes.
Those on Algolis like Atriox and his clan used thick gray nanolamite armor and helmets.
Those under Tartarus command and those Invading Reach had little armor.
And those on Halo 3 use thick armor with energy shielding.
tacit charm
In halo is there like a head precursor or something close to the almighty god
considering not all precursors share the same thoughts and motivations they must have had some form of leadership (sry if i didnt really answer your question there's not much lore about a head precursor). i am however in the notion that base off what feats have been shown by the precursors and the fact that there's a multiverse it's unlikely they're the true gods of halo, they might be powerful as races sure but i woulndt call them gods. heck for all halo cares master chief could be an actual God in another universe
versed helm
What halo multiverse?
low whale
yeah haha I don't think that's canon
tacit charm
What halo multiverse?
the one mentioned in the forerunner trilogy
low whale
I think that was more talking about other dimensions like slipspace and some others that the forerunners had more understanding of than us
and would probably include the Domain since that exists outside of our physical universe
also the halo franchise does consistently have "gods" that are just beings with powers beyond the POV
so for the covenant (and some humans) that's the forerunners
for the forerunners it's the precursors
I think with the way the precursors structure is implied to work, and with their botched transcendence into the Flood I don't think they would have one ultimately powerful individual of their species
but may have had their own aspirational race
the pre-precursors
tacit charm
I think that was more talking about other dimensions like slipspace and some oth...
the whole "we visited other realities" can be debated another time, im referring to the time where they just placed "multiverse residue" for precursor transit
low whale
"Ships using neural physics transit would shed multiverse residues relatively slowly upon returning to normal space, rendering them momentarily vulnerable." so this is the quote (might be reworded for the wiki) but yeah I'd say that#s more transiting hyperspace type things
tacit charm
also kinda redundant to just say "we visited other dimensions, other dimensions"
low whale
but there's so lilttle detail it's all interpretation haha
aw I forgot the halo rings destroyed absolutely all the precursors structures, that's sad 😦
tacit charm
"Ships using neural physics transit would shed multiverse residues relatively sl...
"The Falchion is informed of a high density of enemy vessels arriving through neural physics transmission. They materialize slowly, characteristic of Precursor transit, shedding multiverse residues at a rate that makes them temporarily vulnerable to the Falchion’s immediate response." - Halo Silentium
that's the whole quote
low whale
nice, thank you
tacit charm
just saying
low whale
but yeah that's still how I'd interpret it
low whale
but I think it's using multiverse in the sense of other physical dimensions, not like
marvel earth 616 or whatever
tacit charm
eh up to you
tacit charm
also need to check this again but pretty sure they did use realities/universes interchangeably when describing vacuum energy, now idk if this is from pedia or from the book but just a food for thought
versed helm
Knowledge debate
limpid roost
I want to be smart too
Is there a chronological order for the books available?
versed aurora
what book I buy first? halo fractures or halo evolutions? 
alpine hawk
what book I buy first? halo fractures or halo evolutions? <:thinkingchief:481901...
Brian David Gilbert read and reviewed all the halo novels, so I'd look there
tacit charm
you have to read anything after the forerunner trilogy all at the same time to be a true halo fan
limpid roost
Ezpz
boreal current
How good is Legacy of Onyx? The plot actually sounds kind of interesting
scarlet quiver
untold wasp
What happened to the greater ark
gilded mason
Destroyed by Star Roads
vestal mountain
I honestly think noble 6 was a head hunter
limpid roost
I honestly think noble 6 was a head hunter
I thought the same tbh. But if that was the case would they have gotten SABRE certification?
sudden needle
Is there any way that Smuel 034 could be alive? I'd love to see him make a comeback somehow via dlc or something
gilded mason
he dead
vestal mountain
I thought the same tbh. But if that was the case would they have gotten SABRE ce...
Or he might be a high ranking oni official but thay stuffs secret so he has the rank of luitenanant
sudden needle
could you imagine though if the covenant just captured him or something and he's actually alive. ik it's not true but if he came back to blue team that would be so sick
unique rune
It'd be a pretty piss poor decision narratively.
limpid roost
I refuse to accept that 6 died
west rune
his death is kinda part of the drive for blue team at the start
hardy light
I refuse to accept that 6 died
Oh no not again
warm fable
I honestly think noble 6 was a head hunter
whats a headhunter? heard of the name before
limpid roost
I know it’s not true but it’s my truth
west rune
isnt that a bounty hunter
warm fable
I refuse to accept that 6 died
you see him get fileted
limpid roost
Headhunter = Locke
limpid roost
you see him get fileted
Nah, it cuts out before it hits. No body = no death
gilded mason
There is no scenario where he escapes the situation he was in.
fast falcon
There is no scenario where he escapes the situation he was in.
Not sure who you mean but that applies to both Samuel and 6
limpid roost
I know it’s not true but it’s my truth
Agee to disagree
west rune
is there no canon explanation for junescaping reach?
limpid roost
is there no canon explanation for junescaping reach?
He escorted Halsey off planet
gilded mason
He escorted Halsey off planet
We know how Halsey escaped Reach
He just took her to Castle Base
west rune
then the spartan two's came right?
unique rune
whats a headhunter? heard of the name before
Headhunter was special operations program that started under Spartan-III where small teams of Spartans were specially trained and sent on covert ops. After the war it was eventually adapted for use under the Spartan-IV program.
vestal mountain
whats a headhunter? heard of the name before
Elite spartan 3 solders, they operated in two man teams or alone. They had to normally kill high ranking covenant officials or kill insurectionists. They were like assasins
warm fable
ah, thats around what i was thinking, thanks for clarify
vestal mountain
Their files were always full of blank ink (like Noble 6s)
warm fable
both cando and nova
twilit bramble
was the banished going to preserve themselves then activate the ring or were they just suicidal?
versed helm
i'd say suicidal
atriox was unwavering despite the events that unfolded between him and cortana
boreal current
I say the leaders were more interested in the other thing hidden on the ring
quick slate
Not the flood
boreal current
Ok the other other thing on the ring
quick slate
Are there flood samples on Zeta? I recall Pyre saying something about them
fast falcon
Yeah there’s at least a single flood cylix on Zeta
boreal current
I wonder was ||Bornstellar aware of the endless||
quick slate
I wonder was ||Bornstellar aware of the endless||
Who?
do i gotta do ||this|| when talking about them?
boreal current
The main protag of the Forerunner trilogy books. One of his last appearances was him talking about how his people were done interfering with others. Yeah. Honestly I only did that because you know Infinite spoilers. Can we or cant we discuss those freely here and if not when?
mental marsh
tecnicly all of the UNCS in Infinite are war criminals because looting enemy bodies is aginest the ganeva convention
grave pollen
Why do Spartans die when they touch water?
quick slate
tecnicly all of the UNCS in Infinite are war criminals because looting enemy bod...
Then you're a war criminal in every call of duty
grave pollen
‘tis sad
boreal current
Or any shooter in general
grave pollen
Being half a ton youd sink to the bottom real fast
what about that shallow pool in live fire 🏊♂️
quick slate
what about that shallow pool in live fire 🏊♂️
Its electrified :troll:
mental marsh
Then you're a war criminal in every call of duty
lol yah
unique rune
The Covenant should've just outfitted all of their troops with squirt guns to deal with Spartans
boreal current
I wonder have the unsc or the covenant ever made facilities underwater.... I can imagine ones made by the covenant looking like something out of Power Rangers Lightspeed rescue except purple
quick slate
The Covenant should've just outfitted all of their troops with squirt guns to de...
dont the elites in mp in previous titles die to water too tho?
unique rune
Shhhh
quick slate
Give it to a kid, he will be feared by everyone
mint coral
Ay if anyone wants some lore themed gamerpics / discord pfps lmk. I've made a couple spartans and ODSTs in blender and it's fun asf.
smoky meteor
Yo between a brute chieftain and an elite general, who would win
Chieftain with hammer and elite with energy sword
frigid oracle
in infinite brute easily
smoky meteor
Banished brutes don't mess around
fast falcon
Honestly it could go either way depending on the situation and the chieftain and general in question
smoky meteor
True
I personally wouldn't place bets on either since it's the good old brawn vs agility in my opinion
Gravity hammer with one clean hit would probably be an Instakill
frigid oracle
infinite=chieftain
reach=maybe elite
smoky meteor
Ooo in infinite there are elite ultras iirc
Could be a better fight for the chieftain
Probably not since general > ultra usually
mental marsh
is the USA still a thing by the time of Halo infinite
unique rune
The region of North America that was the United States is still around, but the country no longer exists as a political entity.
unique rune
Something happened to to the US that caused it to dissolve and eventually its remnants were reorganized into part of the United Republic of North America.
mental marsh
thanks
terse lava
There is mention of a "second American Civil War" at some point in the past
mental marsh
that whould be a cool spin off game
quick slate
Eh it would be your run of the mill shooter game
west rune
would be cod
mental marsh
fair enough
but ther date of the war is not known
so precousrs to "modern" halo weopons could be used
a spartan -1 program LOL
ebon coyote
this might be sinful but...
if you could nominate ANY CoD character to be a Spartan
who and why??
my pick is Captain Price
mental marsh
if you could nominate ANY CoD character to be a Spartan
cpt price
because
hes captin price
lol i dont have a good reason
it just poped into my mind
ebon coyote
captain price because hes captain price?? i shouldn't like it...but i do lol
mental marsh
proply beacuse he was in taskforce 141 which was a select group already
shhhh
nothing ever happend
ebon coyote
fair enough
mental marsh
wait
ebon coyote
i usually just use CTRL + G for my images lol
mental marsh
no i made
ebon coyote
the hell kind of name is Soap??
ebon coyote
oof
mental marsh
butiful
ebon coyote
HARRY RICHARD!
frigid oracle
says deleted
ebon coyote
ok you know what?? idk why we are still fighting the unggoy...i mean they run in fear and i literally just wanna hold one and say shhhhh its okay im just gonna SNUGGLE YOU TO DEATH!
mental marsh
ok...
nice lore and universe
but yah
why ddi they join the banished
i know thier home planet got glassed
but still
ebon coyote
||Doisac got "glassed" not Balaho||
ebon coyote
i wont lie i was happy to see ||Doisac go|| lol
what that says about my personality i have no clue
and to be honest
im scared to find out
BUT nonetheless i was happy to see ||Doisac go||
frigid oracle
are we allowed spoilers here 💀
mental marsh
u got to hieight it
like in black ink
just like Noble 6s record
it was just filled with spoilers
frigid oracle
yeah so RJ should tag it
ebon coyote
how i does that??
frigid oracle
how i does that??
|| on each side
ebon coyote
ty ty @frigid oracle
ebon coyote
lmao
mental marsh
what key
ebon coyote
i highlighted the text and just it did from dropdown menu lol
ebon coyote
mhmms thats what i did
narrow gulch
Dont forget Black Team
near tide
Dont forget Black Team
They died in a comic
narrow gulch
I know its so stupid
They killed Black team in a commic book
for Shock Value i belive
near tide
They were only in a comic and a book
near tide
for Shock Value i belive
To show that the didact is dangerous probably
narrow gulch
To show that the didact is dangerous probably
Yet he got Beated by john
So stupid
I just hope it was Spartan IV's testing out new armor for them
like how a retired Spartan-II tested out Johns new Armor before the beginning of H2
near tide
I just hope it was Spartan IV's testing out new armor for them
What??
That was black team
narrow gulch
I'm just hoping it wasnt The Black team Spartan-II
near tide
It was
near tide
The armor was personalized+they said Black Team died, not it was Spartan-IV’s testing the armor
near tide
Why?
cosmic zinc
Media becomes boring when everyone has invincible plot armor. Did you hope they would retcon Johnson as well?
cosmic zinc
agreed
unique rune
Black Team getting offed was a waste but doing some contrived retcons to bring them back would probably only be a worse outcome.
narrow gulch
Media becomes boring when everyone has invincible plot armor. Did you hope they ...
No, Johnsons death would change H3
cosmic zinc
And how would retconning the rookies or black teams deaths not change the universe?
unique rune
Johnson surviving wouldn't change much about 3's campaign either
narrow gulch
And how would retconning the rookies or black teams deaths not change the univer...
Rookie would retire easy buck still becomes a spartan-IV
cosmic zinc
Rookie especially. IIRC thats part of why Buck and company became spartans.
unique rune
His death comes so late in the campaign that it has basically no impact on the finale
Rookie would retire
And he would retire, why...?
narrow gulch
> Rookie would retire
And he would retire, why...?
Almost Died
Or he could become a spartan-iv
cosmic zinc
Yeah lets not retcon something just cause its some peoples favorite characters. Thats just removes any sort of stakes from the story. Having deaths is a part of life. Removing deaths and removing any stakes is just boring.
cosmic zinc
And? That happens in wars
unique rune
I feel pretty safe in thinking that a near-death experience wouldn't be enough to dissuade a relatively experienced ODST from quitting.
Getting into metal coffins to drop from planetary orbit is literally part of the job description.
cosmic zinc
It sucks sure. But its a part of life. Its a part of war.
narrow gulch
how about this Alpha 9 All become spartan 4's
cosmic zinc
Id rather not retcon several books and storylines
unique rune
I mean. By the end of Bad Blood everyone save the dead Rookie ends up as part of Spartan-IV anyway. Even Dutch's wife.
The Rookie is a blank slate complete noncharacter.
He's not interesting and killing him off to explore more about the other members of Alpha-Nine is probably one of the better things they could've done with his empty void of a personality.
narrow gulch
I like the rookie that way
cosmic zinc
They arent going to retcon rookies death for sure. Several books and storylines rely on that point.
One of those plotlines actually connect to infinite with the station jun is on (forget its name).
hollow dune
and the rookies death
At least Rookie, he should have lived long enough to be a spartan.
terse lava
Don't see why he should have lived longer. He didn't do anything of note besides help Dare. Besides that he listens to a dying ODST's story in Halo: Evolutions, plays Clue in ODST, and
versed helm
valid hemlock
He's not interesting and killing him off to explore more about the other members...
Honestly, one (if not) the best decision regarding rookie's character
uneven lion
west rune
tacit charm
versed helm
One of those plotlines actually connect to infinite with the station jun is on (...
Is it the S-IV training station that gets rekt by cortana in HI?
versed helm
wait
doesn't that mean jun is dead, too
cosmic zinc
No answer one way or the other yet. But people really doubt they killed him offscreen. Also Jun is one of the smartest spartans. With the created uprising he might have realized the AI on board was a threat and just left. Thats what a lot of people think anyways.
versed helm
true, he was smart. but still. seems a bit unlikely. we don't have any off planet confirmation, like with osman and hood, and it would've been pretty hard for him to just slip out without being noticed by any AI
cosmic zinc
Yeah but no answer one way or the other yet
versed helm
sadly, yes. all we can do is wait
it'd be kinda cool if one or two of the prometheans, who were made from dead S-IVs, would have a sudden memory glitch or something, like, remember their human lives, and you know, switch sides. cause they do retain their memories after getting composed
hollow dune
Honestly, one (if not) the best decision regarding rookie's character
Hard disagree. All Rookie’s death did was make Mickey turn traitor, which doesn’t even last very long. Disregarding all that, He could at least gotten to meet Sadie, since it’s canon that he got all the audio logs and put down that corrupt cop, and either way, helped save Vergil.
versed helm
Atriox would whip and nae nae on noble 6 if they ever fought
vestal mountain
agreed
versed helm
atriox nae nae'd on chief
uneven lion
seconded
unique rune
All Rookie’s death did was make Mickey turn traitor
Except that's not really what happened...?
To some extent it pushed him further in that direction but everything with the UNSC following the war already had him starting to get a bit disillusioned with the whole thing and left him more open to the pro-Insurrection stuff that Rudolf Schein was feeding him after he'd become part of Spartan-IV.
Was the final straw in pushing Dutch to retire too.
modest quarry
Couldn’t have said it better than that, summing Rookies death up to a useless plot device seems to me like people have missed the wider impact.
versed helm
If the SPARTAN-II project was so successful with buck calling them gods what stopped the Unsc from continuing the project if the spartan iii and spartan ivs were so inferior?
frigid oracle
moral
unique rune
The gap between S-II and its successors wasn’t that significant and the tradeoff was that S-III was cheaper and had greater output while S-IV doesn’t involve the ethical quagmire of brainwashing children.
split glacier
If the SPARTAN-II project was so successful with buck calling them gods what sto...
Spartan 3s weren’t really inferior just mass produced throwaways
unique rune
S-II’s success also tends to ignore that the augmentations killed or maimed half its candidates.
frigid oracle
well they dont
split glacier
True but they aren’t deployed with the expectation they’ll die
They’ve also been given equipment meant to maximize survival
unique rune
That remark from Buck about gods/demigods/whatever has always annoyed me. I think it’s realistic enough from an in-universe perspective but fans already overhype Spartan-II to an obnoxious degree and that line has done nothing to help.
split glacier
That remark from Buck about gods/demigods/whatever has always annoyed me. I thin...
Facts, there’s next to no proof that Spartan 3s in MJOLNIR armor aren’t a near equivalent to Spartan 2s in MJOLNIR
I think the biggest credit to the S3 class is that they can wear MJOLNIR Gen 1 which was originally only meant for usage amongst Spartan 2s
humble yacht
What made the spartan IIs able to use Mjolnir was their augmentations
Spartan IIIs were also augmented, and in fact the augmentations were a scientific step up because they were safer and didn’t require as strict a genetic profile
prime creek
lol an elite really tried to cloak himself and then sneak aboard a lifeboat with some humans to spy on them, and immediately got his brains blown out
vestal mountain
I think the biggest credit to the S3 class is that they can wear MJOLNIR Gen 1 w...
What about the newer Mjolnir variants? Can SIII's wear them without like dying
humble yacht
Yes
Spartan IIIs were never in danger from using mjolnir
The only reason most of them didn’t was because mjolnir is hella expensive
vestal mountain
They only used SPI cause it was cheaper right?
humble yacht
Pretty much
tacit charm
one's better than the other
humble yacht
Spi doesn’t augment strength as much
Spi also has built in stealth capability
Spi also isn’t AI compatible and provides less protection
vestal mountain
Spi also has built in stealth capability
Oh so is that why the headhunters prefered SPI?
sullen grotto
what is spi i forgor
glacial oracle
Oh so is that why the headhunters prefered SPI?
HeadHunters had access to special SPI that were upgraded in shielding and camo unlike the normal counterparts.
versed helm
How was cost an argument againts the SPARTAN-IIs do people prefer being glassed by the covenant/humanity going extinct over being defended by spartan teams?
vestal mountain
HeadHunters had access to special SPI that were upgraded in shielding and camo u...
Ohh okay thanks lmao im pretty new in the halo lore community even though ive been playing it for most my life
humble yacht
How was cost an argument againts the SPARTAN-IIs do people prefer being glassed ...
A suit of mjolnir cost the same as a starship
glacial oracle
How was cost an argument againts the SPARTAN-IIs do people prefer being glassed ...
It was because that back then the effective-ability of Spartan-II's were not accurately known thus some parts of ONI cough anderson believed that moving the funds from 2s into as Chimera said Starships was more effective.
glacial oracle
Ohh okay thanks lmao im pretty new in the halo lore community even though ive be...
Welcome to the dive.
vestal mountain
A suit of mjolnir cost the same as a starship
- the augmentations and the risk of the spartan dying
fast falcon
Not to mention training time needed for Spartans
glacial oracle
In general the Spartan-II program was on a thin line the entire time.
vestal mountain
Yeah wasn't it like 12 years or something?
humble yacht
No
fast falcon
8 years by the time SIIs were deployed I think
vestal mountain
Oh okay, so they were deployed at the age of 12? Cause like I thought the spartan 2s were captured when they were 6
fast falcon
Recheck your math, they were deployed at like 14-15 I think
sullen grotto
sam died when he was 14 but i forgor everything else
humble yacht
Spartan 2s were nabbed in 2517 and augmented in 2525
tacit charm
sam was cringe
vestal mountain
Recheck your math, they were deployed at like 14-15 I think
oh yeah im dumb
prime creek
Another weird thought: Technically the Flood can become forklift qualified
humble yacht
So yea, 8 years training
sullen grotto
i still can't believe a 14 year old could fit in mjolnir even tho the augmentations and yada yada
glacial oracle
i still can't believe a 14 year old could fit in mjolnir even tho the augmentati...
Stronk
fast falcon
Tbf said 14 year old is also like the peak of human genetics even before they went to training
sullen grotto
that is true
fast falcon
Well the IIs at least, IIIs had a much lighter recruitment restrictions
glacial oracle
Well the IIs at least, IIIs had a much lighter recruitment restrictions
Because the augmentation was generally safer.
humble yacht
The genetic requirements of the Spartan 2 program were more a hurdle than anything else
fast falcon
Also because of the situation made them less picky, and the fact Halsey wasn’t picking the kids
humble yacht
They needed kids with good genetics because most kids wouldn’t survive the augmentations
frigid oracle
S-IIs in a Nutshell:
Step 1: free candy
sullen grotto
😭
glacial oracle
Also because of the situation made them less picky, and the fact Halsey wasn’t p...
damn Ackerson
prime creek
What about the newer Mjolnir variants? Can SIII's wear them without like dying
Every Spartan in Halo Reach wears newer MJOLNIR armor and none of them di- oh no
sullen grotto
jorgeeeeee 😭
glacial oracle
Every Spartan in Halo Reach wears newer MJOLNIR armor and none of them di- oh no
Dont get me started on the issues of Halo reach and canons
frigid oracle
I still wonder how halsey kidnapped them
sullen grotto
"gimme your lunch money" but with kids
tacit charm
Every Spartan in Halo Reach wears newer MJOLNIR armor and none of them di- oh no
dying was too cringe for Jun explaining why he bailed the team
prime creek
Dont get me started on the issues of Halo reach and canons
It has a few retcons but the MJOLNIR piece is pretty cleanly written
tacit charm
humble yacht
I still wonder how halsey kidnapped them
She scoped them out and then had oni teams kidnap them
glacial oracle
It has a few retcons but the MJOLNIR piece is pretty cleanly written
I was more referring to Noble Team themselves
prime creek
I was more referring to Noble Team themselves
Oh. Yeah I see what you mean lol
versed helm
I still wonder how halsey kidnapped them
Personally I would have paid good money just to go through the augmentation procedure
tacit charm
go through proto s4 augs
glacial oracle
Personally I would have paid good money just to go through the augmentation proc...
The chances of us being genetically capable of undertaking Spartan-II augmentations would be astronomically low
tacit charm
gigachad augmentations
fast falcon
Even S4 augs are pretty brutal right?
tacit charm
💪
prime creek
She scoped them out and then had oni teams kidnap them
ONI are like modern intelligence agencies on steroids. They probably could have survived the Covenant themselves by just hiding and waiting them out lol
versed helm
go through proto s4 augs
Only to be inferior all of my life to 2's
frigid oracle
pinging
glacial oracle
Even S4 augs are pretty brutal right?
Nah 0% fatally rate
tacit charm
Only to be inferior all of my life to 2's
i said proto 4
prime creek
Personally I would have paid good money just to go through the augmentation proc...
You would die lol
tacit charm
there's a distinct difference between that and current 4s
versed helm
You would die lol
You say that like it's a bad thing :^)
fast falcon
Nah 0% fatally rate
I don’t mean lethal, I mean they’d still be plenty painful
glacial oracle
I don’t mean lethal, I mean they’d still be plenty painful
Welp i suppose every surgery would be painful. especially when your getting a classic skeletal structure rework
prime creek
There are massive advances in technology between the time of the original S-II program and the IV program that moved the fatality rate of augmentation from nearly 100% for ordinary people to nearly 0%. Quite the impressive shift
tacit charm
i mean proto 4 basically killed all the participants involved and left the last one kinda insane
prime creek
i mean proto 4 basically killed all the participants involved and left the last ...
(Human) trial and error 👉😎👉
glacial oracle
*unsc almost loses infinity cause of that
unsc loses it anyway to a bunch of monkeys
prime creek
Spartan IVs are still kinda chumps though man. IIs could wipe out entire Covenant units by themselves, meanwhile in Halo 4, I managed to lose 4 Spartan-IVs in a couple minutes
fast falcon
Not to mention ||Infinite just wiping them all out to make Chief the only Spartan again||
sullen grotto
i wish halo 4 portrayed them better 😭
sullen grotto
Not to mention ||Infinite just wiping them all out to make Chief the only Sparta...
f
humble yacht
Not to mention ||Infinite just wiping them all out to make Chief the only Sparta...
There are still other Spartans
versed helm
Spartan IVs are still kinda chumps though man. IIs could wipe out entire Covenan...
Cortana did say in 5 that spartan 4s are inferior in every way to 2s
glacial oracle
Not to mention ||Infinite just wiping them all out to make Chief the only Sparta...
Not really ||Locke|| and probably others are chilling somewhere
humble yacht
Spartan IVs are still kinda chumps though man. IIs could wipe out entire Covenan...
Game balancing does not equal more
prime creek
"We're Spartans!" proceed to get obliterated by two shots from a wraith while riding on the side of my Scorpion
humble yacht
The same would happen to spartan IIs who get hit by wraith shots
versed helm
Spartan IVs are still kinda chumps though man. IIs could wipe out entire Covenan...
Going with that logic chief is nerfed too compared to its book incarnation
glacial oracle
"We're Spartans!" *proceed to get obliterated by two shots from a wraith while r...
I can also confirm from Halo 4 they are not Tank tread proof
humble yacht
Going with that logic chief is nerfed too compared to its book incarnation
In some ways chief is op compared to book version
In game, chief’s defense is a lot higher
In books, 2 plasma shots can be enough to down shields
fast falcon
There are still other Spartans
Yeah but I mean they wiped all the others out from the story to keep Chief the only Spartan around again
prime creek
Going with that logic chief is nerfed too compared to its book incarnation
I mean he definitely is. Reading the books Chief is like the greatest overall warrior of all time with superhuman reflexes and speed plus strength. When you play the early games he's basically just an FPS protagonist who can't sprint, and can only throw a punch like once every 3 full seconds. It's hard to translate that level of power and skill to a game
glacial oracle
In books, 2 plasma shots can be enough to down shields
Its a little inconsistent. Some books say it burns right through but later novels the shielding takes carbine shots with no issues.
humble yacht
Carbine isn’t plasma
glacial oracle
MJOLNIR MK IV mind you
humble yacht
Also watch the pings please, remember to disable those
fast falcon
Yeah a plasma shot would likely leave a larger mark across the shields that would do more damage
Whereas a Carbine is a more directed line and prob wouldn’t be as good at busting energy shields logically
tacit charm
I mean he definitely is. Reading the books Chief is like the greatest overall wa...
chief in game can yeet a tank with little to no effort whereas in the books the closest time where chief could yeet a tank like in game is him lifting a warthog sized granite boulder
prime creek
Also watch the pings please, remember to disable those
My app automatically re-enables them on every new reply, sorry :c
obsidian thistle
Yeah but I mean they wiped all the others out from the story to keep Chief the o...
Well... the Infinite Academy Tutorial would love a word ;) ||And so would Horvath.||
glacial oracle
Carbine isn’t plasma
No but plasma pistols are. In 'Oblivion' blue team faces against multiple of the suckers and gets hit mulitple times
fast falcon
Oh sorry I didn’t see any of them when I was playing the story of the game
glacial oracle
From knowledge ||Locke|| is still bugging around on a special mission
fast falcon
Especially since ||Horvath isn’t in the game proper, only audio logs lmao||
frigid oracle
terminals > audio logs
obsidian thistle
Technically ||3 Spartans in the Audio logs have outs and can still be alive.||
||2 are likely dead. But we never saw/heard them. Horvath is like. Hunting.||
frigid oracle
pretty sure many spartans are alive
frigid oracle
hopefully P2 is Jun >:)
glacial oracle
Not to bring a new topic but it just popped in mind. Imagine how terrifying being within High Charity during Halo 2 was. The dreadnaught is gone leaving most Charity with no power, your in the middle of a civil war with your allied factions and a borderline horrific Flood infection making its way through the city.
And you can't leave either since you would simply be shot down by the Brutes and Elites in the ceasefire to contain the flood
tacit charm
Not to bring a new topic but it just popped in mind. Imagine how terrifying bein...
isnt there a meme for that
glacial oracle
isnt there a meme for that
Uhhh perhaps but not one I am aware of
tacit charm
prime creek
I mean || Blue Team is puttering around somewhere being useless I'm sure ||
|| Palmer isn't going anywhere I guess ||
I'm only partway through Infinite though so what do I know
glacial oracle
Never saw that meme before but I am glad I have.
fast falcon
I wouldn’t mind Palmer being playable ngl
tacit charm
no
prime creek
Not to bring a new topic but it just popped in mind. Imagine how terrifying bein...
One of the few things I like about the Flood. The Covenant members on High Charity deserved what happened to them. All of them.
tacit charm
I wouldn’t mind Palmer being playable ngl
glacial oracle
One of the few things I like about the Flood. The Covenant members on High Chari...
Even the grunts?
Or the Huragoks?
prime creek
*Even the grunts?*
The grunts talk more smack to me than anyone!
prime creek
Or the Huragoks?
okay not the engineers but everyone knows they're innocent
tacit charm
oh really
glacial oracle
Wait can Huragoks be consumed by the flood?
tacit charm
first casualty between humans and covenant was some man
glacial oracle
The amount of Forerunner knowledge they would have would be unfortunate
tacit charm
killed by an engineer
:)
well
there's more to that
but the gist of it is engineer got the first human kill
prime creek
I just like the Covenant getting a taste of their own medicine. Stupid birds deserve to have their eggs infected while they're off killing human babies
tacit charm
i mean
glacial oracle
Man idk, I wouldn't want to wish a flood infection to even my worst enemies
prime creek
Man idk, I wouldn't want to wish a flood infection to even my worst enemies
Even to ones that are literally in the process of wiping our entire species out of existence?
fast falcon
Especially since a huge portion of High Charity would’ve been indoctrinated civilians
So it’s like saying a whole city deserved to be nuked cause you disliked the soldiers in charge lmao
prime creek
Mmmm but the Covenant people are all kinda guilty
fast falcon
LMAO no they aren’t
prime creek
In a way they are
tacit charm
the fall of high charity kinda resulted tens of millions dying/infected, that's low end number cause ya know seven billion dudes and dudets were livng on that mushroom
fast falcon
The whole of a society isn’t responsible for the crimes that the government does
prime creek
the fall of high charity kinda resulted tens of millions dying/infected, that's ...
a drop in the bucket compared to the human lives they took
fast falcon
I could bring up multiple real world examples of times that’s happened and it’s been seen as a terrible thing
tacit charm
a drop in the bucket compared to the human lives they took
and that's a drop of water in an endless ocean when comparing it to the forerunner flood war
trillions of warrior servants oofed
honestly expected more
fast falcon
Anyways all of humanity is guilty cause ONI abducted children and tried to wipe out elites after the war lmao
Doesn’t matter if the people weren’t properly informed or had a choice, ONI did it so they’re all evil too
tacit charm
technically if anyone is to blame for the human cov war happening in the first place it'll technically be mendicant
last i checked that Eiffel tower didnt crash itself on the prophet homeworld
prime creek
The whole of a society isn’t responsible for the crimes that the government does
Most of the Covenant species were enthusiastic participants in the genocide of humans though. There's no reason to believe that the Elites, Brutes, and Jackals we see cackling about slaughtering humans are anything other than the norm for their people. They were a religious hegemony and most members of their species probably bought into the "Great Journey" regardless of whether or not they themselves were fighting
fast falcon
Most of the Covenant species were enthusiastic participants in the genocide of h...
Yes because they were horribly misinformed about the nature and specifics of the war, and had been thoroughly indoctrinated by the covenants religion into thinking this was the proper way to live and be. All that happened because of the Prophets manipulations
prime creek
MAYBE the grunts deserve to be spared, cause most of them didn't want to fight at all
prime creek
Yes because they were horribly misinformed about the nature and specifics of the...
Then they are lost!
fast falcon
Like what you’re doing is saying ENTIRE RACES are guilty because of the actions of the leaders of their people misguiding them to do that
warm fable
jackals werent really brainwashed iirc
fast falcon
It’s like saying an entire type of people deseves to be genocided brutally because of the actions of a few of them being terrorists
warm fable
served as mercenaries, enthusiastic at times but not many were zealotic
versed helm
F the hunters tho
glacial oracle
This topic has plenty of examples if we decide to dive into a certain World War.
fast falcon
You’re wrapping up entire races and judging them together as a single individual practically
prime creek
Jackals are the worst. I want them dead more than anyone
slow coral
hunters are so annoying!!!!!
boreal current
What about the Ussans and Stoics(if they are even alive)? They took no part in the war
prime creek
grunts get brownie points because they tried to get out of the Covenant
warm fable
id consider them more ussan than sanghelli ig but yeah good point
frigid oracle
grunts, elites, and brutes were zealots
grunts weren't?
Elites, Brutes and Prophets were
fast falcon
This topic has plenty of examples if we decide to dive into a certain World War.
Honestly we have plenty of examples just from modern times. Is all of the US guilty and deserving a brutal death because of the governments choice to invade certain countries?
warm fable
grunts weren't?
could swear to god a lot of grunts were very religious
fast falcon
You could say the same for a lot of races
frigid oracle
Jackals were payed but seem zealous
fast falcon
That they had differing levels of willingness amongst the individuals apart of it
prime creek
Like what you’re doing is saying ENTIRE RACES are guilty because of the actions ...
Okay so at least we can kill all the San Shyuum right?
warm fable
brutal as hell*
fast falcon
Rather than all just being in pure agreement that they’re gonna be evil and genocide the humans
fast falcon
Okay so at least we can kill all the San Shyuum right?
I’m just gonna assume that’s a joke
warm fable
believe there was a fleet that escaped high charity before the flood got em
frigid oracle
a few fleets did
warm fable
believe there was a fleet that escaped high charity before the flood got em
with san shyuum
frigid oracle
with san shyuum
possibly ministers
boreal current
Okay so at least we can kill all the San Shyuum right?
I would say leave the Stoics alone if they are still around
warm fable
the stoics or the prophets?
frigid oracle
if they ||went to doisac its the same||
frigid oracle
the stoics or the prophets?
stoics are fine
boreal current
The current status for the stoics for me is: Destroyed(?)
frigid oracle
they were against the war i think
boreal current
They likely weren’t even aware of the war in the first place
warm fable
is it known why atriox hated the covies?
warm fable
dont play halo wars 2 or read the comics
i should play halo wars 2 nonetheless
warm fable
dont play halo wars 2 or read the comics
sarcastic, id assume?
boreal current
The covenant used him and his clan as canon fodder. Fortunately for truth he didn’t bother hiding his hatred for the Covenant. Brutes can be VERY treacherous
warm fable
im sorry im tired
fast falcon
I was typing an explanation but Chrome beat me too it lol
But yeah basically that’s it. He was used as disposable warriors and saw so many of his brothers die until he lost faith in the great journey
warm fable
The covenant used him and his clan as canon fodder. Fortunately for truth he did...
thats what i was thinking, was just wondering if there was singular event that tipped the metaphorical boat ig
tacit charm
But yeah basically that’s it. He was used as disposable warriors and saw so many...
i think the word you're looking for is cannon fodder
fast falcon
Chrome already used that word
tacit charm
oh
fast falcon
Figured I’d mix it up a little
tacit charm
didnt read his comment lol
fast falcon
Speaking of cannon fodder, I got all leaders in HW2 on sale recently and love Yapyap
prime creek
The covenant used him and his clan as canon fodder. Fortunately for truth he did...
For the most part I don't think they were. Brutes are one of the dumber races for the most part, it was mostly an exceptional few who had aspirations and the intelligence required for thoughts of rebellion. Most Brutes just gobbled up the lies of the prophets without question
versed helm
It was because that back then the effective-ability of Spartan-II's were not acc...
Did Anderson ever admit he was a moron and the spartan fireteams were the strongest asset the unsc had?
tired terrace
For the most part I don't think they were. Brutes are one of the dumber races fo...
Rebellion was never a thought for Decimus until the very moment Atriox killed that executioner but still became his second in command
Brutes aren’t necessarily not smart as a race but that their other outlying qualities take precedence
quick slate
how old is halsey now?
fast falcon
68
frigid oracle
she already had her magic number 😳
versed helm
she already had her magic number 😳
💀
versed helm
she already had her magic number 😳
The REAL reason Halsey was jailed 💀
prime creek
Man these opening chapters of The Flood are hard to read
Hikowa didn't deserve to have her head blown off man 😔
near tide
The sangheili was executing everyone
low whale
god yeah especially if you read right after fall of reach
prime creek
(which I am doing)
near tide
Poor Lovell
low whale
(nice)
prime creek
She was such a bad*ss man. Lovell redeemed himself. They were all tough and fought tooth and nail, and they had to share their fate with a worthless traitor
low whale
I need to pick up my full set next time I'm at my parents'
queen frigate
In halo 3, who's the leader of the elites? Rtas 'Vadum or The Arbiter?
frigid oracle
Arb
queen frigate
Hmmmm
low whale
yeah arbiter
versed helm
Mmmm but the Covenant people are all kinda guilty
Negative pardner.
The species of the Covenant were subjugated to join, with multiple groups as an example with Jiralhanae, who some groups didn't wanted to join were forced in some or other way, while others directly joined.
Not even the San'Shyyum were guilty.
Those guilty were the individuals.
fast falcon
^
gilded mason
And most members didn't even fight humans.
versed helm
If you were to make all the Covenant guilty only cause a lot who fought were subjugated, others brainwashed and others forced to fight in a genocidial war, and then you wanted to exterminate them all, then the same would happen with the Humans, there's multiple human individuals who have done the same, being cruel and horrendous persons.
Then Humanity also deserves extinction.
Aye?
Don't search the destruction of a species for the fault of an individual.
gilded mason
Indeed.
versed helm
sun zoo said dat
leaden cobalt
Sun Zoo and his book on barnyard warfare
near tide
I doubt sun tzu mentioned species
whole sky
It would been disgusting to live as skimmer
pulsar grail
i made it my mission to exterminate all skimmers
balmy gulch
In the final mission of ODST, where is the highway located in New Mombasa?
slim obsidian
anyone wanna explain how the didact is alive in the books?
iron oar
Hey why is the halo so round
gilded mason
anyone wanna explain how the didact is alive in the books?
He got composed. So he's still alive, just not biological alive.
slim obsidian
He got composed. So he's still alive, just not biological alive.
Well that explains it