lore-and-universe

[sharp inlet]

i dont really remember

[tacit charm]

yes

[untold wasp]

Ya he was a Spartan II

[unique rune]

They're all Spartans wearing powered armor, they'd run at about the same speed.

[ornate hawk]

the Autumn class was pretty good tbh

[split glacier]

Wasn’t that just smaller ships to go in the infinity?

[ornate hawk]

yes he was

[sharp inlet]

Marines are the real heroes

[tacit charm]

ye

[untold wasp]

Chips dubbo

[fast falcon]

Jorge only moves slow for gameplay reasons, holding a turret like that slows down everyone carrying it

[tacit charm]

or literally copy pasted versions of poa

[untold wasp]

I mean that is what heavy classes are

[ornate hawk]

That was the Strident class

[split glacier]

That’s the ship it was named after

[warm fable]

'specially considering the fact it takes a good 5 to take out a high ranking elite

[fast falcon]

Realistically even while carrying it he should be much faster

[split glacier]

The class anyway

[tacit charm]

ik

[sharp inlet]

noble six dies from fall damage

rip

[split glacier]

What

[ornate hawk]

the Autumn class was the new cruiser class meant to succeed the Marathon class

[tacit charm]

yes

[warm fable]

proof of this is a sword elite turning an entire marine squad into a mess

[sharp inlet]

I need to see spartans in infinite
I cant just talk with a AI and the epic fernando esparza

[split glacier]

I need to play infinite

[warm fable]

all i need in life is blue lady and fernando

[ornate hawk]

in addition to the Autumn and Strident classes, i would also say the Mulsanne class was pretty good given it was meant for combat rather than troop deployment like other frigates

[tacit charm]

why haven't you?

[split glacier]

Currently finishing my ME3 run

[sharp inlet]

what if the blue lady goes rampage

[warm fable]

no

[sharp inlet]

yes

[fast falcon]

Yo nice I started a new MELE run recently

[split heron]

balls

[untold wasp]

I want rubicon protocol as a dlc in the campaign

[sharp inlet]

the greatest weapon of man kind

[sullen grotto]

i forgot what is the Rubicon protocol? is that the deny the ring at any costs thing or something else

[split glacier]

Finally a halo fan who doesn’t blindly hate ME

[sharp inlet]

time travel

dlc

[boreal grove]

[sharp inlet]

omg cortana 2

[split glacier]

I want Blue Team added in an infinite dlc

[sharp inlet]

rip fireteam osiris

[fast falcon]

I don’t know how to feel about your pfp

[split glacier]

I waited years for them to be in halo 5 and that was a waste

I need them in a good game where they get to be the stars of the show

[sharp inlet]

blue team on reach because halsey making AI

yes

makes sense

[sullen grotto]

pls

[tacit charm]

[split glacier]

Have you ever done an insanity run on MELE?

[split glacier]

What

[untold wasp]

Idk, it was just mentioned in the logs, there is a book about it coming this summer

[sharp inlet]

what is MELE?

[fast falcon]

Nah I only just got MELE, only doing a normal run rn

[tacit charm]

you know what

[fast falcon]

Mass Effect Legendary Edition

[sharp inlet]

ah

Minecraft expansion Lgendeary Edition

[unique rune]

If I remember correctly it was mentioned in Infinite's audio logs as just being orders to deny and delay Banished access to the ring by any means possible.

[ornate hawk]

it’s a UNSC directive to stop or slow banished forces by any means

[split glacier]

Mass Effect Legendary Edition

[split glacier]

First time playing ME?

[fast falcon]

Nah, played it all the way back in 2014, but it’s been a while so I’m excited to replay it again

I usually only play a Soldier too so I’m trying Vanguard this time

[split glacier]

Soldier is my favorite class

I leave the fancy stuff to my squad

[fast falcon]

Lol same

[warm fable]

may try ME again

[split glacier]

Didn’t dig it?

[fast falcon]

Honestly I get that. I find the first games gameplay to be pretty rough, but by the second it gets more manageable

ME2 when you meet more of the major characters it starts to get better. I think there’s only like 1 squadmate in that game who’s completely unlikeable

[split glacier]

Which is?

[fast falcon]

Jacob

I’d say he’s actually the only squadmate in the entire series I dislike

But that’s just me

[split glacier]

I don’t like Miranda or Ashley tbh

[boreal current]

How would things turn out if the flood and reapers swapped places?

[split glacier]

Well

I think the ME verse would have a harder time dealing with the flood

[fast falcon]

ME galaxy would be screwed, and the the Reapers would be screwed

[split glacier]

Well the only ships that down right outclass reapers in halo are super carriers

[fast falcon]

Fair. They’re both characters I think you have to get further into the game to let their characters develop decently

[boreal current]

Would the geth be vulnerable to the logic plague?

[split glacier]

Prolly not

[fast falcon]

I’m very curious if the Flood would be able to use the Reapers as biomass in any way

[split glacier]

They’re not based on human brains so idk

[split glacier]

They’re synthetic

[fast falcon]

No but it’s still biomass in a way, just mechanically modified

[split glacier]

Reaper grounds troops have cybernetics in place of organs

I mean in a way

It’s biomaterial processed with synthetic agents

[fast falcon]

That’s what makes me question if it could be used in any form by the flood

[split glacier]

Reaper cores are basically metallic bio mush so I don’t think the reapers themselves could be taken by the flood

[fast falcon]

However I think the flood also use remains in a much more efficient manner than the reapers do

[boreal current]

Would a reaper be able to tank a plasma bombardment

[split glacier]

Ground forces could potentially differ since theres a lot more organic components left

[split glacier]

Probably so

Maybe not continuous fire but they basically have giant sentinel beams as a primary armament

High velocity molten metal

[fast falcon]

Reapers are also a form of AI made from the remains of the races used to make them, so imagine if a reaper got infected by the logic plague

[split glacier]

Reapers would cheese standard UNSC vessels

[fast falcon]

Given the Reapers given goal, I can see them somehow being swayed by the Gravemind to work together for the same purpose

[split glacier]

Potentially

But the flood is organic and could pose a threat

Reapers exist to balance organic/synthetic balance so they may come to blows

[fast falcon]

A reaper enhanced by the Flood and working as a mobile Gravemind is a terrifying thought ngl

[fast falcon]

The Gravemind was able to twist Mendicants way of thinking around though and convince it that it was right. The Reapers are meant to ensure that organ is don’t wipe themselves out and eventually decided a cycle of harvests was the best way

[boreal current]

Actually the catalyst would be very vulnerable to the logic plague. The damn thing is basically a glorified dumb ai/vi

[fast falcon]

Yeah exactly. Convince it that the flood is the ultimate way to secure biological life and prevent destruction from synthetics

[split glacier]

Dumb AIs don’t get affected by the logic plague tho

[fast falcon]

Let the Gravemind infect the Citadel and give it enough time, it’ll turn it I’m sure

[prime aspen]

I’m curious do any of u know about the vex from destiny

I’m curious how they would fare against the flood

[humble yacht]

Probably pretty well against an early outbreak

Their robot bodies would be good at resisting infection

[fast falcon]

The Vex may be an ideal group to handle the flood ngl

[split glacier]

I don’t miss the flood

Gave me the chills as a kid

[fast falcon]

I really miss them. I thought they were one of the best parts of the early Halos

[split glacier]

I hated it

[hardy light]

I hated them on my first play through of the original trilogy, but now I don’t mind the flood

[quick slate]

I disliked the flood because i kept dying to them

[humble yacht]

I don’t miss them but not because they’re too scary

[boreal current]

Fair enough. I'm honestly not sure what the Catalyst would qualify as. I say dumb ai mainly because the reason it started this mess was because its creators left out some crucial details like "We still want to be in charge" when giving it its task and it has been trying to complete said task for a billion years at least

[humble yacht]

Dumb AI are dumb because they are nonvolitional

Meaning they cannot make their own choices

[split glacier]

The main AI we get in ME is EDI

[fast falcon]

Basically they’d be a super advanced version of Siri or Alexa

[split glacier]

That’s what I’ve always seen Dumb AIs as

Well Siri didn’t exist yet but yeah

[quick slate]

Would Glados be infected by the logic plague?

[split glacier]

I thought the logic plague was a unique occurrence in human matter based AI

Or am I thinking of rampancy

[boreal current]

You're thinking of rampancy

[split glacier]

Damn

I’m not sure what the logic plague is

Is that what Cortana is going through rn?

[boreal current]

Think the flood infection in digital form

[split glacier]

Ah

How does that happen?

I’m not really caught up on post halo 5 stuff

[fast falcon]

Speaking of AI, imagine if in future Infinite DLCs they gave us new playable characters each with their own AI

It’s unlikely imo but it would be cool

[split glacier]

When does the next DLC come out?

Or the first I should say

[hardy light]

I wouldn’t like that, I like the weapon

[hollow folio]

playable wort wort wort???????

[quick slate]

I want Invasion

[hardy light]

Agreed

[unique rune]

Not really

[quick slate]

Wasnt she going through rampancy?

[split glacier]

Idk I haven’t caught up on lore since halo 5 ended

[unique rune]

The whole Created takeover thing is pretty much a result of her rampancy, yeah

[split glacier]

I didn’t dig the whole created conflict tbh

[boreal current]

Basically the Gravemind flexes its charisma stat

[fast falcon]

It literally just explains to you why it’s right until you agree with it

[split glacier]

Ah ok

[quick slate]

how many years was she in service before death?

[unique rune]

About 8 years, I think?

[split glacier]

Since late 2551

[unique rune]

She was created in 2549, then she 'died' for the first time in 2557 in Halo 4.

And then by Infinite it would've been about 11 years.

[split glacier]

Late 2552 is when she was paired with John

[quick slate]

Infinite happens somewhere in 2560/61

When was the first time she was activated?

[boreal current]

Honestly its been quite a decade in the Halo universe

[split glacier]

What’s the year in Halo Infinite?

[gilded mason]

2560

[quick slate]

didnt the human-covvie war end in like 3-4 months when chief woke from cryo?

[gilded mason]

In CE?

[drowsy karma]

Thought it was even faster than that

[quick slate]

CE-3 lasted like 4 months i think

[gilded mason]

About 3-ish months

[quick slate]

What was the gap between each game?

[warm fable]

for 4, yes

[drowsy karma]

Thaw out big green thing in back of freezer and everyone dies
-some Grunt, probably

[gilded mason]

A few weeks, plus an additions several weeks each during 2 and then 3 thanks to slipspace

[quick slate]

Humanity be suffering for 20 years until Big Green man wakes up and ends it in 4 months

[gilded mason]

I'd more call it Truth ends it lol

Since it's his decisions that cause the Elites to leave the Covenant

[quick slate]

Which prophet got infected by the flood?

[gilded mason]

Regret

[drowsy karma]

Halo 3 denies us the satisfaction of a kill, but it at least lets us teabag Kleeborp into the floor

[boreal current]

On the bright side its thanks to Truth that the gravemind was defeated. The thing found out his plan and changed its course to the ark as a result(it upgraded high charities engines with precursor science at mars)

[quick slate]

Is the Halo Legends arbiter canon?

[unique rune]

Fal 'Chavamee is canon, yes

[quick slate]

How many arbiters are there?

[gilded mason]

Quite a few

(Only one at a time, though)

[terse lava]

192 if I recall, let me double check

[quick slate]

that many?

[terse lava]

182

[quick slate]

damn

[terse lava]

Yes, over 3400 years

[quick slate]

And Thel is the 182nd?

[terse lava]

And the last 400 of those years, the rank was changed from the ommander in chief of the Covenant, to a mark if shame

Had he died, he would have been the 183rd

[ornate hawk]

Regret, Truth was partially infected before the Arbiter killed him

[warm fable]

oh yeah i was wondering whats the story of the elite you are named after @terse lava

[terse lava]

All 3 Hierarchs were eventually infected

[quick slate]

Wasnt there a 3rd prophet?

i forgot who he was

[terse lava]

@warm fable not named after one made it myself many years ago

[warm fable]

oh, cool

is elite your preferred species in the earlier games?

[terse lava]

Yes and still is

[gilded mason]

👌

[warm fable]

hell yeah

[gilded mason]

Now if only Infinite had it...

[terse lava]

I dont play 4,5, or infinite MP

[fast falcon]

Ever considered dropping the ee after Halo 3?

[terse lava]

Eh I just stuck with it, felt iconic

[gilded mason]

Gosh, Ado. Be like Orta. Drop it like it's hot!

[terse lava]

Besides, some Sangheili have the ee as part of their name, such as Vil 'Kthamee

[warm fable]

respectable

[quick slate]

and Chavamee

[terse lava]

Kthamee is thus far the only one that actually had it as part of his name rather then a sign of Covenant military service

[gilded mason]

I don't think it was said anywhere that "ee" was intrinsically part of his last name

[quick slate]

oh

Was it Rtas Vadum or Vadam?

[gilded mason]

Former

[terse lava]

Than again Broken Circle implies that all the ee may have originated with Kthamee as a sign of respect for the mission he partook in thanks to the Prophet of Inner Conviction

[gilded mason]

Yup

[terse lava]

Rather sad, when you think about it

3400 years of your name being part of all Sangheili, than tossed aside

[gilded mason]

He'd understand, I hope lmao

[terse lava]

Besidea your own bloodline if his family lines was still around

Maybe, he did show a bit of unease whenever he tookthe Oath, well aware the War of Beginnings had ended only a year earlier

[ornate hawk]

Reach-CE: 20 days
CE-H2: 28 days
H2-H3: 14 days
H3-H4: 4yrs 7mo 10dys

[ornate hawk]

Truth, Mercy, and Regret, they were the last 3 hierarchs. Before them were the Prophets of Restraint and Tolerance + the Prophetess of Obligation.

[quick slate]

what happened to Mercy?

[ornate hawk]

He was infected by the flood

[split glacier]

He gets killed by an infection form

Well technically John

[quick slate]

Guess i didnt see that

Or skipped a cutscene without knowing

[split glacier]

He was a preventable casualty but truth wanted sole power at that point

[frigid oracle]

truth betrays him

cutscene

[split glacier]

It’s when Chief is on high charity

[frigid oracle]

mission before the great journey

[split glacier]

Yeah

He has the least climactic death of the high prophets

[quick slate]

The one where he says the finish the fight line?

[split glacier]

By far

[split glacier]

It’s before that

[frigid oracle]

the b4 last of H2

[quick slate]

alrighr

[split glacier]

Mercy is the only of the 3 to only appear on one game

Truth and regret each get 2

[frigid oracle]

huh

[ornate hawk]

its at the end of the the mission High Charity

[frigid oracle]

regret doesnt get 2?

[split glacier]

Regret appears in halo 2 and wars

[frigid oracle]

ohh

yeah

i forgot about those games

i was thinking fps

[split glacier]

Truth in 2 and 3

Mercy got just halo 2

Did anyone read the Flood novel by William C Dietz?

[drowsy karma]

Let me guess...No Restraint, No Tolerance, No sense of Obligation?

[ornate hawk]

in a sense

[gilded mason]

I think one of the ways Truth got into power was by blackmailing Restraint, as he mated when he wasn't supposed to.

[quick slate]

Prophetess?

[ornate hawk]

Regret

[split glacier]

Female prophet

[ornate hawk]

Regret promised to keep Restraint's scandal secret if he stepped down as a Hierarch

[split glacier]

Wasn’t regret the youngest of the 3?

Mercy being the oldest

[ornate hawk]

but yeah
Restraint stepped down because of a sexual scandal showing he had no restraint
Tolerance was said to be very short tempered
Obligation was a procrastinator

[gilded mason]

Ah, we were both right. Truth is the one who set the blackmail in motion for Regret

[split glacier]

Truth was a liar, mercy was the fastest to prosecute, and regret did everything without a second thought

Mercy wanted to jump straight to execution for Thel if I remember correctly

[ornate hawk]

Regret, Truth, and Mercy then succeeded Restraint, Tolerance, and Obligation which ended the 23rd Age of Doubt and ushered in the 9th Age of Reclamation

[split glacier]

Covenant ages were weird

[ornate hawk]

each one was a tenure of a different set of Hierarchs

with new hierarchs came a new age

[warm fable]

arent covenant ages based off genocides?

or covie years

[warm fable]

could swear to god i was told that

[split glacier]

The 9th age of reclamation would also be the last age of the covenant

[split glacier]

^^

[warm fable]

ah

[drowsy karma]

Were the CCS-class battlecruisers always intended to look like anomalocarids, or is it just coincidence?

[terse lava]

@warm fable Covenant Ages were based on a circular theme the Covenant went by based on major events during the time period. An Age of Doubt signifies lack of faith, Reclamation, a significant find of Forerunnnet relics, etc

[warm fable]

so theoretically could genocide be a major event

[terse lava]

@drowsy karma the art design and also in universe, was that Sangheili ships were based on aquatic-like creatures.

[warm fable]

cite the man o war and other pre-covie sanghelli ships

[terse lava]

@warm fable depends, there were Ages of Conflict where bloody conflict was fought

[warm fable]

so i wasnt entirely lied to

[ornate hawk]

enter the space whale Brigatine

[warm fable]

SPACE WHALE AMEB

[terse lava]

The Covenant have wiped out other species in their past, but its noted these were due to either preventing the Covenant from gathering forerunner relics, or resisting the Covenant itself.

[tranquil cradle]

question: Are the elite and the human at the end of Halo: CE sgt johnson and the arbiter?

[gilded mason]

No

[terse lava]

No

[gilded mason]

That's a just a non-canon humorous scene

[terse lava]

It's an Easter egg, made for fun between Johnson and a Sangheili

Canon wise, Johnson was on a pelican with other survivors when halo blew

[tranquil cradle]

would be cool if it was 😦

so its johnson but its not johnson then?

[drowsy karma]

That's....rather boring for a "classified" event.

[ornate hawk]

Johnson survived because he's Johnson

simple

[terse lava]

Well I mean, found an alien superweapon, and a nightmare parasite

Pretty classified id say

[drowsy karma]

Oh right, that.

[warm fable]

then he got killed by a laser pointer

[unique rune]

Then there was that whole bit where he helped blow up an entire Covenant fleet...

[terse lava]

Yep

[warm fable]

just your average days work

[warm fable]

after surviving multiple battles and doing so much ridiculous stuff

[terse lava]

Well, he was based off Sgt. Apone from Aliens

[split glacier]

He was also a Spartan 1

[frigid oracle]

yeah

[tranquil cradle]

wat, i didnt know that

[terse lava]

Yep, was revealed in the Halo graphic novel

[tranquil cradle]

didnt spartan 1s have any armor or anything

[gilded mason]

Nah. Just standard gear the UNSC normally issues

[terse lava]

@gilded mason the Orion/Macworld armor

[split glacier]

Spartan 1s can wear any UNSC armor outside MJOLNIR

So ODST kit and SPI

Although SPI has a much higher unit cost than ODST kit

Being the second most expensive armor kit outside MJOLNIR

I can only imagine what would’ve happened if the budget cleared for ever s3 to get MJOLNIR

[drowsy karma]

SPI looks pretty cool

[split glacier]

Looks cool but is just ODST armor on steroids

Well there’s a few other benefits

[crisp tusk]

Full armor set with discount camo

[versed helm]

What's the best way chief could destroy grave mind if they had a revenge match?

[craggy sierra]

He wouldn't

It'd be a nuke or just a ring firing. There's nothing chief could do in an on foot engadgement. And well...you don't need to be the chief to drop nukes or light rings.

[broken lagoon]

well kind of the thing about the grave mind is its never truly dead as long as the floor is a thing. since every grave mind is also the Primordial is a sense.

[spiral jewel]

While unlikely and quite a stupid question no doubt, is it possible that there is a descendant, perhaps maybe a great (x36) grandchild/ niece or nephew, of Bornstellar /IsoDidact that's alive and well in the 26th century CE?

[gilded mason]

Don't think there were enough Forerunners left for that many generations to be created

[spiral jewel]

That is something I failed to consider

[atomic crest]

Cryptium?

[ornate hawk]

probably not that far down the line

any descendants they have would be pretty close given most of the forerunners were wiped out when the array was fired, unless they were on the ark or a shield world nobody survived

[terse lava]

There are descendants, as the Ur-Didact mentions them from his time in cryptum exile

He didn't elaborate though, as this was post-Primordial mind messup

[neat marten]

(For those that are stupid and don’t know) Office of Naval Intelligence aka: ONI
Founded: 2178
ONI is the Main Intelligence branch of the UNSC.

Insert more ONI Lore HERE…

[unique rune]

For gameplay reasons. Not everything necessarily has a canonical explanation.

[terse lava]

Don't think anyone cares for ONI there my friend

[unique rune]

Maybe it could be written as a software update but until then the differences between his helmet displays are pretty much just things that exist with no explanation.

[gusty star]

Bro joined the server and chose violence

[neat marten]

Lol

[sharp hatch]

ONI was a dope game made by Bungie back in the day

[neat marten]

ONI wasn’t a game it was in the games like Reach and ODST

[sharp hatch]

i must be stupid and don't know

[neat marten]

Lol

😂

[ornate hawk]

you mean like from H2 to H3?

who knows

same can be asked why the pelican in Reach and (original) CE are different if theyre supposed to be the same model

[last anchor]

Software patch given to Chief when he wakes up after crashing. Part of the suit diagnoistic that corpsman gives him

Least, thats how I always figured it.

They're hooked into his suit obviously cause when we get the first Cortana moment someones says "your vitals just pinged KIA."

[pale zenith]

shipwrecked Infinity, basically confirmed

Escharum uses the word neutralize

Not destroyed..

Concept art book shows it shipwrecked

It's shipwrecked right, maybe future dlc?

[tranquil cradle]

one thing I dont understand about the forerunner... they preserved every race to survive after the halo rings but themselves?

[daring cape]

I don't know if it was ever confirmed anywhere, but I figured they didn't reseed themselves as a punishment for failing so bad with the Flood.

[wet geyser]

Yeah it had to do with guilt and failure to uphold the mantle. So they made it right by passing the mantle to humanity like the precursors wanted and left the galaxy.

[boreal current]

If only they took the didact with them

[tranquil cradle]

but i guess some still survived to reseed the galaxy right?

just not enough to make a viable population

[boreal current]

Oh they did. They spent about a century reseeding the galaxy before leaving. We even got an epilogue where the didacts replacement settled down, had a kid and spent the rest of his days as a farmer

[tranquil cradle]

thanos style? lol

[mental plover]

Literally Thanos

Except killing half of the galaxy...

I mean-

Seeding half of the galaxy...

I mean-

[boreal current]

To be fair the guy admitted he would have killed himself on the spot if he had known what was to come. He was basically a kid the Didact dragged along on an adventure across the galaxy and eventually get his personality mostly overwritten by the didacts.

[fast falcon]

They actually weren’t able to preserve every race from what I recall. Multiple races they didn’t have time to properly index and the like were forgotten about when the halos fired

[valid hemlock]

yes, it was a punishment for all they did to the ancient humans, precursors and the galaxy in general

after the activation of the rings they exile themselves to other galaxies

[minor depot]

Bruh imagine how spoopy being a grunt on high charity during its end days wouldve been.

No power due to the dreadnaught leaving. So pitch black. Flood swarming everywhere. Prophets straight up abandoned you.

You get an assignment, and on your way to said assignment narrowly avoiding flood pods, you run into a cracked human in a super suit dual wielding some of the covenants most brutal plasma weapons known to covenant kind. All you can do is beg for a food nipple and some kindness.

[dawn knot]

Civilian grunts tho

[minor depot]

I bet Elites even pooped themselves on high charity

[untold wasp]

don't think there were many left

since this was after the schism i think

also i think grunts were spacefaring or close to it, so i wonder how those looked

[ornate hawk]

nah there was plenty of elites left

after all they were the ones who set up the quarantine blockade around high charity and delta halo to try and stop the flood from escaping

[boreal current]

Heck there was even one elite managed to get both sides to briefly stop fighting to deal with the flood. Too bad he was nuked into oblivion

[untold wasp]

dang

[pulsar cedar]

Rip Xytan

[boreal current]

Yeah he was the main elite for Ghosts of Onyx. His whole arc was him rapidly rising through the ranks and then he gets nuked by a Spartan

[boreal current]

Oh I’m talking about the guy Xytan promotes to a fleet master to get out of the way. He also gets nuked

[pulsar cedar]

Rip Kurt

[boreal current]

Honestly the elite povs tend to be pretty good/interesting

[pulsar cedar]

^^^

[slow coral]

elites seem chill

[terse lava]

@boreal current @pulsar cedar Voro Nar 'Mantakree was his name

[untold wasp]

wait, don't elites in the covenant add ee to their last name or only some like thel

[feral skiff]

I want an elite game

[humble yacht]

The ee suffix is for special recognition

Thel lost the ee either when he was shamed or when he defected

[boreal current]

Actually how would humanity in general react to the Stoics(prophets who opposed the faction that would eventually lead the covenant and remained on their home world) and Ussans(descendants of anti covenant faction who went into hiding)?

[unique rune]

The -ee was commonly used to denote Covenant military service but not all Sangheili adhered to that convention. It was largely dropped after the Great Schism by many Sangheili.

Some used different suffixes, such as -ai that indicated something relating to swordsmanship, like with Bero ‘Kusovai or Inslaan ‘Gadogai.

Others, like Re’gish Wamik, just never took on the suffix for any number of reasons.

[untold wasp]

ah ok

[terse lava]

Yeah, if I recall from a Canon fodder, Re'gish's name was from ancient Sangheili

[opal gazelle]

Imagine an open world on the wreckage of the infinity

Like Destiny's dreadnought

[pale zenith]

Bro this idea is perf, I need it

[quick slate]

Whos Musa?

[gilded mason]

A Spartan II

[humble yacht]

Musa is head of the Spartan Branch

[gilded mason]

Though he wasn't able to get through augmentation

And was left crippled

[humble yacht]

Worth noting he still went through all the training and brainwashing

[fast falcon]

I love how even being crippled by the augmentations won’t fully stop most Spartans from somehow being incredibly effective to the UNSC

[fringe glade]

Hey so what happened to the ODST from halo 3?

[humble yacht]

They either died or went back to earth

[fringe glade]

Oh rip buck and dare

[fast falcon]

Oh you mean the ones from ODST

[fringe glade]

Yeah

[boreal current]

Buck is a Spartan 4

[fast falcon]

Rookie died in a book and the rest became Spartan IVs except for Dare

[boreal current]

Rookie got killed off in a book

[fringe glade]

But he played as odst?

[fringe glade]

So what happened to dare

[unique rune]

He was an ODST. After the war he was recruited into the Spartan-IV program.

[humble yacht]

He became a spartan iv later

[fast falcon]

She’s still with ONI

[fringe glade]

Ohhhh

[humble yacht]

Dare married Buck

[fast falcon]

I just don’t think she became a Spartan

[humble yacht]

She did not

[fringe glade]

That’s interesting

[boreal current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44oJi5w2Wjc&t=9s Here's Buck

Oh yeah Micky betrayed the rest of them

[white mulch]

How do I explain to my friend who Offensive Bias is

[humble yacht]

Link him to the halopedia page

[drowsy karma]

How does that work?

Lots of hormone injections?

[fast falcon]

Weaker but much safer versions of a lot of the augmentations the SIIs got I believe

[humble yacht]

Spartan IV augmentations include gene therapy, organ replacements, and various other drug and surgical operations

[last anchor]

Pretty much 100% success rate for it too which is nice

[terse lava]

Though you do have the side effevt if having to be "tuned up" every few months

[frigid oracle]

the entire team survived except rookie

they're all in Bad Blood

[gray karma]

Can someone send me a vid who explain more about the Halo universe ?

What I need to know

[gilded mason]

Some of these videos would probably help:
https://www.youtube.com/c/HaloCanon/videos

[gray karma]

Thx

Wow

There is so many

🍿

[novel barn]

Anyone think the song connected (from h2's soundtrack) was about the flood or cortana and chief

[dawn torrent]

Is there a way ODSTs holster their pistol?

[unique rune]

Normally just magclamped to the thigh.

[dawn torrent]

Is there an article on halopedia on magclamping?

Seems like an interesting idea

[unique rune]

I don't think there's really an official term for the magnetic clamps/holsters/attachment points used for UNSC weapons.

It's pretty much just a feature that exists and never really gets touched on.

[dawn torrent]

Ah

Anyways…

I really got to play through ODST again and experience that beautiful smooth jazz

[terse lava]

It is quite relaxing

[versed helm]

fnaf 4

[drowsy karma]

Kinda sad in a way, though. It's the most "human" music in the series, helping to drive home the sense of vulnerability

[dawn torrent]

I mean compared to a spartan, ODSTs are pretty vulnerable even with all that training and gear

But ODSTs are like the SAS and Force recon but 500 year in the future so…

[ornate hawk]

i would say more Paras or 101st/82nd airborne instead of SAS just given that ODSTs are rooted from modern day paratroopers

[umbral cloud]

guys what do u think of the the what the master chief the halo 4 master

[terse lava]

What are you on about?

[vale sky]

Huh?!

[drowsy karma]

This reads like something a rampant AI would type.

[ornate hawk]

only thing i can pull from it is maybe he's asking how we feel about the armor redesign they gave him

[vale sky]

no

He clearly wants to know about the the what the master chief the halo 4 master

[dawn torrent]

I think it’s a combo of paratroopers, tier 1 units and force recon tbh

Gotta love paras tho, jumping out of perfectly good planes

But in the ODSTs case, ships

[ornate hawk]

well i mean technically Paras and Airborne are special forces/tier 1

Paras is under command of Director Special Forces, and then while the 101st and 82nd don’t fall under JSOC, delta and the rangers go through airborne school to get their jump wings

and then ONI is obviously the unsc equivalent of the CIA and MI6 lol

wait my bad i meant the equivalent of ||REDACTED||

[dawn torrent]

Airborne is part of the pipeline for SF I believe

[ornate hawk]

yeah

[dawn torrent]

I don’t know a lot about British airborne so I can’t speak for them

[ornate hawk]

my dad used to be 82nd and he has a few buddies who decided to become rangers since they already had the jump training lol

[dawn torrent]

Ah, I had a relative who was a RTO that was attached to an airborne unit, we think it might have been the 82nd tho

But the last recent member of the military in my family was my grandpa so…

It says that the ODSTs are also based off the mobile infantry of starship troopers, I haven’t watched the movie but the book was good

Anyways, regardless of who they are based off, we can all agree they are badasses

[ornate hawk]

yeah idk anything really about that movie lls

except for that and aliens were major inspirations for halo

[dawn torrent]

Halo takes the best parts of whichever media and makes it even better imo

[dawn torrent]

Anyways, imo they did the rookie dirty

[valid hemlock]

Not really, the rookie have no personality at all so the player could play as him, also it served as an inspiration for romeo and buck to become spartans iv

[sullen grotto]

mickey can s m d

[wheat marlin]

hey, just popping in to ask, what order do i play 2, 3, and odst in?

[hardy light]

2, odst, then 3, I think

[wheat marlin]

ok thx

[azure stratus]

The order they came out is 2, 3, odst. But odst technically takes place around the middle of 2, using the base gameplay of 3. Either way is fine.

[fast falcon]

You could also play 2 up until you finish the mission Metropolis, then play ODST, then continue 2 and do 3

[strange verge]

^^^^ Probably the most cannon way.

[unique rune]

Just play them in the order they released and save yourself the headache.

[blissful karma]

I hate offscreen deaths,rookie,the didact,and(if he was still in the space station when it explodes,_ listen to infinites audio logs_) also Jun.

[obsidian thistle]

The Didact aint dead! :)

@blissful karma just contained in the domain thinking about stuff like his wife - sources: Halo Adult Coloring Book, the defunct Halo Waypoint Universe Page for the Didact, Halo 5: Guardians Didact Doll Forge item, and Escalation saying he was contained not dead.

[blissful karma]

Oh,thank you,I thought he was dead! Maybe he'll come back

[obsidian thistle]

Thats the hope

[boreal current]

Heck even in the comic where it happened John wasn’t convinced he was dead. Maybe he will get some therapy in the domain?

Just checked his wiki page and apparently his method of removal was done so that he could be used later on as an antagonist. He was originally going to be included in Halo 5

[wraith thorn]

Didact, in his composed state, was indeed suppoose to be in Halo 5.

Too bad I can’t upload a picture as to what he was suppose to look like

[sly light]

Maybe he could return in infinite through a dlc?

[dawn torrent]

I just think they handled Mickey very poorly

[boreal current]

Maybe he will usurp the ||endless|| as the main antagonist?

[sly light]

Maybe they'll do the enemy of my enemy is my friend deal?

[fast falcon]

Who would be the friend that he teams with in that instance?

[boreal current]

||Endless: You took everything from us!!
Didact: I don’t even know who you are!!||

[sly light]

He'd probably team up with chief. (I'm not sure how to make spoiler words on mobile lol)

[fast falcon]

|| on either side of what you want spoiler

I’ll admit I’m not sure about John allying with the Didact or any past villain from the games since 4

[terse lava]

Well thr Didact wouldn't even be aware of ||the Endless's existence or danger as he was long sealed up in his cryptum already by the time Forerunners found them.||

[sharp inlet]

just use another nuke to defeat the didact

[sullen grotto]

apparently if you stood in a room long enough youd hear ancient whispers that sound like the didact or atleast similar to him

[sharp inlet]

more forerunners

ah yes

[sullen grotto]

the one with keyes the halo 4 ending and i think halsey

[sharp inlet]

the halo 4 ending you can see it in a mission

I forgot name but you need to put like 3 power cells

[sullen grotto]

yeah

[near tide]

Jun isn’t confirmed as dead

[split glacier]

Yo you’re a moderator here?

Does that mean halopedia is endorsed by 343?

Disgusting

[humble yacht]

Halopedia has been acknowledged by 343 but it is still a community run website

No official affiliation

[mild stirrup]

i mean it has been community run in the past

[humble yacht]

It’s always been and still is community run

[royal lava]

OMG IS THAT GUY FROM FORTNITE

[mild stirrup]

it can be cannon though

if you think about that then yeah he is cannonly in fortnite

[royal lava]

[humble yacht]

Fortnite and halopedia have nothing to do with each other

You’re just speaking nonsense at this point

[gentle monolith]

Bero kusavai is the goat of swords men

[obsidian thistle]

To quote another tag-line of another community. "Its for the community, by the community."

... we at Halopedia need a tag-line lol

[terse lava]

@obsidian thistle "We are the Eternal Fount"

[boreal current]

#TruthDidNothingWrong

[left gazelle]

There won't be a community if we don't stop the Banished

[terse lava]

Eh just a bunch of pirates

The Covenant were still a better enemy

And ally

[quick slate]

Ally?

[terse lava]

The halo 2 levels with Thel

[quick slate]

Oh

[terse lava]

Better then the marines, that's for certain

[humble yacht]

Meh

One thing I always notice is the red elites die faster than the blue elites as allies

In h2 and h3

[terse lava]

Not sure i ever noticed that myself, somewhat odd

[split glacier]

The purple elites were the OGs tho

Bois could tank done damage

I wish we could have seen a lot more post war cooperation between UNSC and SoS

I also loved how the mark of Shame meant to cast down the arbiter socially became a symbol of solidarity between elites under him

[fast falcon]

After fighting the Banished for a bit I do wish that like Jul’s covenant could’ve remained a thing, just to have two different alien based groups with different tactics and methodology to fight against

[terse lava]

@fast falcon I was talking about the original Covenant, Jul's guys just came off as lousy

[fast falcon]

Oh yeah totally, that’s fair. I just think Jul’s group should’ve remained as a reminder of what the Covenant was and to diversify the enemies in the galaxy

Since the main enemy isn’t a group as monolithic as the OG covenant anymore I’d like to see some diversity of the major groups in the games

[boreal current]

Well there are the Loyalists on the Ark

[terse lava]

Would have been nice if they had been given an actual name to show the difference

True, they are some on the ark still

[fast falcon]

I kinda like the name “The Storm” to refer to Jul’s group, or the Storm Covenant

[boreal current]

Honestly the events of Divine Wind should have been an expansion or Halo Wars 3

[terse lava]

@fast falcon but that isn't their title, just a rank

Would be a rather poor name choice anyway

[fast falcon]

Better than just the covenant at least

Tho logically I guess they wouldn’t change their name

[terse lava]

@boreal current I thought it was told well enough in the novel. Though definitely needed more expansion on the belief in the Great Journey

[boreal current]

Fair enough. I actually still need to read it myself I only know the events from the wiki so i assume there's a lot of details that werent mentioned. Actually imagine if 343 does make a Halo Wars 3 that continues on from Divine Wind and doesnt bother to explain where the Loyalists and the Ferrets came from

[terse lava]

Eh, I admit at times I think I still prefer HW, it felt more full of life then HW2 when it came to environment

[humble yacht]

Whut

[low whale]

more full.ofife tha. hw2

clearly

more full of life, I assume

[terse lava]

Yep, just a typo, was tired

[spiral jewel]

Even though they wore Gen 1 Mark 6 (that I'm aware of) ...

I wonder what armor Spartan 2s Nicole and Maria (who was using the Gen 1 MK6 armor that would be used by John-117 from October 2552 to July 2557) would use if they had the option to use the Gen 3 platform

I would have mentioned Rosenda-A344... but she'd probably upgrade to the Gen 3 CQC

Yes I'm aware, Maria left to start a family shortly after testing the Gen 1 Mark 6

[low whale]

isn't nicole from DoA haha

[split glacier]

Actually, the Spartans of red team in HW and HW2 wore Gen 1 Mark IV, so they were severely outdated by the events of HW2

[humble yacht]

Luckily they were able to retrofit GEN2 components on their gen1 armor

Once they came to the ark

[versed helm]

I guess that's the case as Jerome jumps off the CAS and is later seen in the ground, having survived.

[versed helm]

Yes

[low whale]

tho spartans have survived big jumps in gen1

[versed helm]

Big jumps but not as big as Jerome.

And Chief used the armor gel and other components along metallic objects to glide.

While Six counted with an entry pack.

Both ended in bad situations and states.

Jerome seems clean and without injuries.

[low whale]

fair

[versed helm]

Isabel is logistics and have been able to adapt, overcome and upgrade weaponry, armor and vehicles.

I guess she just upgraded their armor with pieces.

[mortal ridge]

halo in a nutshell: Green guy fight funny aliens and blows up omion rimgs

[pearl igloo]

Halo in a nutshell: Old aliens screw over the current aliens (humans are aliens to everyone else) who are also screwing each other over. Also themselves.

[drowsy karma]

Does that make the Ark a Bloomin' Onion?

[frigid oracle]

a french fry

[versed helm]

I think the jackals are the skinny brown fries that got too fried in the oil and when they snipe you it leaves a bad taste in your mouth

[drowsy karma]

Chicken fries

I guess the most complete form of domination over one's enemies is to reduce them to sustenance 🤔

[drowsy karma]

That or crafting material

[merry goblet]

is it explained anywhere why the sangheili have molars?

i remeber them always having pointy teeth until i noticed them in infnite

[versed helm]

Because 🤷🏻‍♂️

[mortal ridge]

They eat onions

[mortal ridge]

Yes

[bronze perch]

Mark 7 cats ears lore what is it

[fast falcon]

The lore is a company in the future called 434Industries needed money so they charged Spartans a few bucks to put cat ears on their armour

[junior sun]

Sounds legit

[merry goblet]

the fact you can have a masculine voice with a fem bod measn cat ear femboy spartans are canon

think about that

[drowsy karma]

Furry-pandering

"Anthropomjolnir"

[bronze perch]

Super soldier helmet with cat ears

[versed helm]

The purrfect weapon

[drowsy karma]

Thinking of that non-zero percentage of Unggoy who are Earth weebs

[autumn shale]

Tbh I still prefer the cat ears over a lot of H5 helmets kek

[versed helm]

If Cortana had blue team would have she won againts atriox and the banished??

[limber turtle]

umm question is 'Halo Fall Of Reach' Canon?

[modest quarry]

We saw what Atriox was capable of doing to chief, so I imagine Blue Team under Cortanas influence would still have a hard time. Then again, Spartans seem to work best when given the element of surprise, that factor combined with the sheer speed (in the books) might justify a success over Atriox and subsequently the banished.

But it’s a lot of theory craft and I think it would be very dependent on the approach Cortana would have taken (providing she apprehended BT successfully) and then her deployment of the team. It’s all very “but if…” in all honesty.

[tacit charm]

disregard it, 100% fanfiction

||im jk yes it's canon ||

[tacit charm]

atriox yes as for the banished honestly idk, it really depends on the weapon, unsc and harbinger's actions

[mental plover]

Earth-takus

Etakus

[prime creek]

TIL that the only reason Sam died was because they didn't have the shield technology installed in the MJOLNIR yet

[low whale]

Yeah :( burnt through so he couldn't go into vacuum

[main rivet]

Wonder if a canister of bio foam would have been enough to save him.

[prime creek]

On another note: Why does my Fall Of Reach book keep saying "2542" instead of "2552"?

[versed helm]

time paradox 🤯🥶

[low whale]

Where in the book are you?

[prime creek]

It's right after Cortana was given to Chief, and the UNSC discovered all the inbound Covenant ships

[versed helm]

what happened to the arbiter?

[tacit charm]

a typo maybe

[versed helm]

He's probably just on Sangheilios

[frigid oracle]

hes leading sanghelios with less civil war

[versed helm]

Probably still trying to slightly rebuild after the emp too

[frigid oracle]

true

[boreal current]

I wonder what would have happened if the Didact had bothered to rally the covenant factions that still worshipped the forerunners instead of rushing to earth when he got the composer

[buoyant crest]

If 343 said they will keep updating the campaign (halo infinite), I wonder who the next big enemy will be?

[humble yacht]

I’d expect infinite dlc to continue focusing on the banished, mainly

Maybe the endless, whatever those end up being

[boreal current]

Watch the endless be like the pyramids in Destiny ie they take 2 years to even show up

[remote temple]

I’m hoping they are the precursors or related to the primordial in some way

[untold wasp]

hopefully, that would be cool

[remote temple]

If feel like if 343 just forget he exists it would be disappointing

[untold wasp]

the primordial?

[gilded mason]

The Gravemind is kind of not really needed right now. If they included him again it'd feel very retread-y.

[humble yacht]

I hope not

[gilded mason]

Same

[frigid oracle]

flood was a bungie thing

leave it a bungie thing

[remote temple]

Why not though

[boreal current]

But they were included in Halo Wars 2….

[tacit charm]

cause star roads fo brrrt to much

[humble yacht]

Because I don’t like the precursors

[untold wasp]

but imagine being discovered by the forerunners and they immediately imprison you

[grave locust]

Sounds like the Forerunners

[warped terrace]

how did cortana die? I played the games only and havent read a single book. please inform me

[untold wasp]

she died in halo 4

[grave locust]

"died"

[untold wasp]

ya forgot to add the ""

[grave locust]

well the real cortana did

[warped terrace]

I thought she lead the guardians in h5? or was that her clone

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[grave locust]

yes'

[tacit charm]

she stored too much feet pics and had to delete herself

[untold wasp]

her chip got destroyed i believe, but some rampant fragments survived

[grave locust]

one of her pieces that split off in Halo 4 went rouge basically

[tacit charm]

with the flood heavily implied to have gone intergalactic gl with that

unless

343 is going to address it in a book where chief goes super sayian and kills all the flood from every universe

[warped terrace]

would love to fight the flood again with infinite weapons.

[tacit charm]

good luck fighting star roads

[grave locust]

I bet we will

[tacit charm]

[grave locust]

Campaign dlc has literally infinite potential basically

[untold wasp]

yup

[frigid oracle]

just the fps

games

[vernal notch]

I hope the fobs get some sort of buff. Maybe like, halo wars style with base building and reinforcements

[warped terrace]

I hope we get some, but I dont think microsoft will approve of that. After all, why bother to put any effort when the store is a walking cash cow as it is.........

[grave locust]

Well Microsoft did just copyright something called "Halo: The Endless" so I have a strong suspicion that's gonna be chapter 1 of the DLC

[warped terrace]

I hope so. the campaign was received rather well, and alot of people were hoping for a longer campaign. I would certainly buy chapter dlc for $40+

[versed helm]

Well I don't expect that it will be a DLC.

More like a free update.

That would be cooler, so everyone can advance through history and lore without needing to pay a lot of bucks.

[grave locust]

Same, in a heartbeat. I really enjoyed the campaign

[warped terrace]

I hope so. Rn I enjoy the gameplay of mp, but so many cosmetics are locked behind a paywall that it ruins the experience in a way. Hopefully a new campaign chapter can bring in new players.

[warped terrace]

I feel like infinite's campaign was much better than 5. Alot more fresh and it got rid of the forced co-op system.

[grave locust]

Since they've said this is the next 10 years of Halo and have strongly hinted at adding more to the story then I still believe that's what they're doing

[versed helm]

Mhm.

[grave locust]

exactly

[versed helm]

As Chim said, I also hope that the next campaign is focused on the Banished.

[warped terrace]

10 years of halo on one game sounds comfy. I just wish we would get a date for the dlc's. Rn we're kinda left with nothing else to do lol.

[versed helm]

Playing as some Banished officer of high rank, that would be cool.

[warped terrace]

kinda like how we played as the arbiter in halo2. mad cool to play as the opposite side.......

[versed helm]

Destroying UNSC outposts and forts with remaining groups across the region along other Banished troops.

See from a better perspective how the Banished's personnel socialize.

[grave locust]

Same, they need to release a roadmap of some kind

[versed helm]

^^

Even though that could remove the mystery that 343 have been bringing.

[warped terrace]

yea. I plan to replay the campaign on veteran and collect all skulls. But after that Im just gonna wait for co-op campaign in may.

[grave locust]

Yeah i'm waiting for co-op so I can play with my brother

it's a tradition

[versed helm]

I am just wishing CO-OP has friendly fire activated. :troll:

At least an option of that kind.

for the jokes, yes yes

[warped terrace]

to tea bag ur friend lol

[versed helm]

launch him off into stratosphere with a single frag

[grave locust]

I suppose it would, but they wouldn't necessarily need to tell us what it was about. Just that it was coming, and give a release date

whoops

meant to reply

[grave locust]

To this

[versed helm]

Yeah I guess.

[versed helm]

what happened to fireteam osirus?

i'm not sure if that how you spell their name

[gilded mason]

Possibly disbanded

[versed helm]

Huh?

[gilded mason]

Osiris

[versed helm]

wait why disbanded tho

[humble yacht]

Buck left

[gilded mason]

Well, Buck left the team, and we have no other information about them afterwards.

[versed helm]

why did buck leave?

[gilded mason]

And a line in Infinite talked about Locke doing something. Not Osiris.

[humble yacht]

It’s possible that after the created took over that spartan forces were stretched thin so they split teams up to cover more ground

[untold wasp]

also isn't buck married

[gilded mason]

Yes

[fast falcon]

Tbf it’s prob for the best Osiris disbanded. They were an ONI black ops team and as a group I don’t think they meshed as well together as they could with other groups

[versed helm]

he married that girl from halo 3 odst right?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[untold wasp]

i think only locke was oni

[versed helm]

what was her name again 🗿

[untold wasp]

Ms. Naval Intelligence

[gilded mason]

Veronica Dare

[humble yacht]

Locke was the only oni member

[fast falcon]

I thought the whole team was used primarily by ONI tho

[gilded mason]

Nah

[fast falcon]

Even if Locke was the only official agent

[versed helm]

is she still in the military tho?

[fast falcon]

Ahh I must be mistaken

[humble yacht]

Tanaka had previously been infantry, buck had been odst, vale I can’t remember

[gilded mason]

vale I can’t remember
Just a linguistics expert.

[frigid oracle]

locke is apparently on a mission

buck left

tanaka and vale idk

vale probably negociating

negotiating

[fast falcon]

Okay double checking on Halopedia yeah they aren’t an ONI team but given their description I can imagine ONI has a lot to do with them

[untold wasp]

oni pretty much control the unsc and humanity i believe

[frigid oracle]

locke was oni

and oni is super related to unsc i just cant remember how

[gilded mason]

Osiris barely did any missions in the first place, so I kinda doubt they were made use of by ONI

[untold wasp]

oni is the office of naval intelligence

[fast falcon]

It’s just the team handled high level combat operations and intelligence gathering, the latter kind of being one of ONIs specialty

[verbal locust]

We should have a TV show about ONI

[low whale]

I'd love a kilo 5 adaptation so much

just give me anything with BB please

[night flax]

Butlr is implied to be based off BB

[low whale]

ooo really?

[night flax]

👍

[crisp tusk]

Yessss

More Professor Philiss

And some justice to Jul's character

[low whale]

it's such a nice squad of characters, I feel like they could work really well on tv

it doesn't even have to be the book story

just kilo 5 bouncing around on missions

[boreal current]

I wonder what they're doing now

[low whale]

there's a short story of osman evacuating hood and some of their most advanced ai cores

including BB

rossbach's world or something

not sure on spelling

[boreal current]

Oh yeah BB was one of the ais who remained loyal correct? Kinda surprised by that I wonder did he mock Cortanas offer

I wonder have Philips and/or Vale ever visited the Ussans

[versed helm]

yes

BB, Hood and a Spartan 4 along Human Core AIs escaped to an unknown and recently discovered planet with a cabin and a four-year wine and alcohol supply.

And they have been there since 2558.

[low whale]

I can't remember if BB gave an answer, I think osman was preparing to ask him?

I imagine he would side with humans though

since he lives in such grey areas

[night flax]

who thinks leonidas isnt actually dead?

[low whale]

he's already died twice haha

[humble yacht]

I dunno

[boreal current]

Well he was the one who evacuated Hood and Osman so that should be answer enough since if he would have quickly gotten into Cortanas good graces if he handed them over. Actually Osman was debating whether she should let them join Cortana if they want or destroy them

[humble yacht]

BB’s brain donor was someone who had issues with humanity to some degree

[boreal current]

Which is surprisingly nice of her

[humble yacht]

And BB himself has characterized himself as superior before, iirc

[low whale]

oh yeah hence the cube

[humble yacht]

And you have to remember that for an AI, siding with the Created means surviving rampancy

Which a smart AI like BB would eventually suffer

[low whale]

truue

[ornate hawk]

Vale is an xenoanthropologists and used to be a diplomat for the UNSC

[boreal current]

Also helped save the galaxy from a pissed off monitor

[ornate hawk]

she's one of the few Spartan IVs who wasnt recruited from active duty

[ornate hawk]

ONI is the intelligence branch of the UNSC

ONI is to the UNSC what the CIA is to America or MI6 to the British

[tired terrace]

But they have a lot more autonomy and are far shadier in their operations

[boreal current]

About that... https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/rksfsg/whats_your_opinion_on_oni/hpchcz0/

[prime creek]

In a 1v1 fist fight, what are a regular human's chances of beating an elite?

[ornate hawk]

0

in lore chief himself has had close calls with death against both an elite and a brute minor

a regular human doesnt stand a chance

[prime creek]

Is it a regular elite that almost kills Chief in the fight with the plasma pistol?

[humble yacht]

Plasma pistols in lore are super dangerous

[ornate hawk]

every covenant weapon is tbf

plasa burns at 3000 degrees celsius

more than enough to melt your flesh

[prime creek]

At least I think it's an Elite that almost matches Chief in strength, now that I think about it...

Jeez what modifications did they give to the Elites lol. Unless Sangheili are just ridiculously strong by nature

[unique rune]

Mostly the latter

Humans are pretty physically pathetic compared to basically every one of the core Covenant client species

[ornate hawk]

the average elite is a far better warrior than the average human, both in hand to hand and armed combat

[prime creek]

I know humans can 1v1 jackals and grunts, but anything above that is a no?

[unique rune]

Some types of Sangheili body armor provide light physical enhancement but it's supposedly nowhere near the same as MJOLNIR.

[ornate hawk]

jackals and grunts could also be a no

a grunt on its own is nearly the same size as a human

[versed helm]

Sangheili Combat Harness augments Strength and Velocity of the user. The higher the rank they are, the better their harness is, and the more increased their feats are.

[unique rune]

Humans probably wouldn't make it out of hand-to-hand with Unggoy or Kig-Yar.

[prime creek]

I'm just going off the fact that we have seen humans killing jackals and grunts hand to hand

[unique rune]

They'd have to get real lucky. Because apparently Grunts can tear Spartans' arms off.

[versed helm]

An Unggoy has been stated to be times stronger than the strongests human without augmentations.

[ornate hawk]

maybe an Unggoy if its one of the more paranoid ones, but yeah most likely not a Kig Yar

[unique rune]

They're no joke canonically, even if the games treat them as comic relief.

[versed helm]

Unggoys are incredibly strong, they also weight over 100 kilograms and are pretty fast, though slower than humans.

[ornate hawk]

yeah everything covenant related is a lot more complex than it seems in the games

[versed helm]

A human easily dies in hand-to-hand against a Grunt.

Kig-Yar? Eh, they are way faster than the Humans but it's unknown if strongest.

I say they are a bit stronger,

[ornate hawk]

for example you shouldnt be able to use the energy sword, it takes even the best Sangheili warriors years to master using a blade, a spartan wouldnt just be able to pick one up in the field and go to town lmao

[prime creek]

one of the animated Halo stories does show a marine punching a grunt in the face and killing it at least

[versed helm]

What? Halo Legends? You mean Joking Legends?

Halo Legends is mostly more of a dramatized series rather than showing realism.

A human is un-able to punch a grunt and kill it, low caliber bullets like, let's say, 9mm, those hardly pierce their skin.

[prime creek]

I would assume a Kig-Yar could disembowel you if it angled right, but their bones are probably hollow and fragile 🤔

[versed helm]

Cal is the anime waifu super augmented soldier capable of killing a brute with a few punches and dodging every single attack, which is also kinda not lore-accurate.

Just how Naomi killed a brute and destroyed his spine with a single punch.

[unique rune]

A Kig-Yar Sniper snaps an ONI security guy's neck in the opening gameplay scene of Composer in Halo 4. They're pretty strong, even if they look frail.

[ornate hawk]

yeah halo legends only has a few realistic moments lore wise, such as like i said during "The Package" where Chief is almost killed in sword combat

[versed helm]

Some writers and drawers just lack the knowledge of expanded lore and start making protagonists overpowered to the top.

[versed helm]

Perhaps.

Chief was very young back then and apparently that Sangheil had a very advanced harness.

[ornate hawk]

looks arent often reality

[versed helm]

Chief could have dodged and ripped him apart quickly.

[versed helm]

Yeah, in-correctly.

T'Vaoan can run up to 90 kph in plain areas.

That's 25 kph faster than the fastest spartan.

And this is for regular individuals.

Spartans can run at the same speed but once reaching around 80 kph their bones and muscles will shatter.

And break.

This results in the T'Vaoan bones being better fitted for running.

Same for 'lesser' Kig-Yar sub-species.

[ornate hawk]

even if it is outmatched strength wise, a Kig-Yar would likely use its agility to keep a human off balance in hand to hand combat

[versed helm]

Who are damn faster than regular humans.

If their bones were fragile than human bones would be times more fragile.

Well canonically we're very weak against the Covenant species.

[prime creek]

No in one of the animated "movies", one of them has a scene with a grunt firing at some marines then one of them blasts him across the side of the face and kills him. It's not Legends

[versed helm]

Animated movies?

What animated movies?

[prime creek]

I'm trying to find it 🤔

[versed helm]

Don't tell me it's fanmade.

Fan made oftenly breaks a lot of logics and lore, and example would be cough Charity Falls.

Yes it looks cool and all with that CGI but a spartan throwing an Energy Sword and killing a form? Nah.

And let's not talk about Spartan 2 OCs cause those just break lore.

[ornate hawk]

you also gotta think about the fact that the human would also be causing themselves harm in a fight with a grunt

their skin is extremely rough and covered in spikes and claws

[versed helm]

Yep, very thick skin with spikes.

It's just like fighting Brutes.

And elites.

Fighting them CQC is assured death.

That's why UNSC troops oftenly took them and wiped their forces in big groups where firepower outgunned their thick skin and killed them with seconds of focused fire.

[fast falcon]

Honestly tho for how fun it is to shoot them in game, just imagine being a human that’s being hunted down by a group of Grunts

[ornate hawk]

oh yeah speaking of hunted

[fast falcon]

I’d prob find them scarier if they were unarmed, imagine those things trying to tear your arm off

[ornate hawk]

yall the covenant species have exceptionally great senses of smell

better than a dog

especially the jackals and brutes

[boreal current]

Was looking at the trope site.
It has a paragraph claiming the ark still having a fully functioning foundry ,the flood surviving and the catrographers appearance are retcon.
Do those count as retcons?

[ornate hawk]

oh there is no try

[prime creek]

Absolutely not lol I would never cite a fan creation as evidence of lore

[ornate hawk]

the spartan field manual (im pretty sure its canon) says an enraged grunt can easily rip a humans arm off

[prime creek]

Okay I can't find it right now but I swear it's there, a non-Legends official Halo story where a marine punched a grunt to death. Like an animated comic style

[prime creek]

oh hey Michael, fancy seeing you here

[unique rune]

Yes, since it's all technically new information that arguably changes something about previous media.

e.g. As we knew it before, Installation 00 only had one Cartographer but it's since been changed to there being multiple Cartographers across the entire installation.

[prime creek]

I know marines are pretty evenly matched with similar numbers of Covenant infantry in armed combat, so it's interesting to see that they're so much weaker bare handed than almost all Covenant species

Other question: Which Covenant species are the worst people? I mean the Kig-Yar seem pretty vile, especially in Infinite, whereas a lot of the Grunts seem like they're just being forced to fight, at least in the games before Infinite

I literally had a jackal celebrate the death of a grunt I killed lol

Also! [Previous Topic] Unggoy are pretty slow and not agile. I bet if you could just get behind one you could rip its methane mask off and then it's over

[gilded mason]

I don’t think you can really paint any species as universal awful

Or the “worst”

[unique rune]

Yeah, it's not really a clear cut black and white thing.

Realistically, there's gonna be a whole spread of different attitudes and opinions within a species.

Kig-Yar generally don't really like Unggoy but at the same time the Unggoy don't like them much either.

[prime creek]

It'd be cool if we ever saw members of former Covenant species express regret, remorse or at least dissent over the genocide they all committed

[gilded mason]

We’ve seen it sometimes. But it’s never been a focus, so such things are rare to see in writing

[prime creek]

true true

[boreal current]

There are also cases of Brutes remaining loyal to their elite commanders. One of Juls comrades in the Servants of the Abiding Truth even vouched for his Brute subordinate

[prime creek]

That reminds me of another question: How did Jul survive getting stabbed in the neck by a spartan?

[gilded mason]

Why do you think he survived it?

[terse lava]

Yeah, far as we have seen, he's dead

[sinful valve]

I HAVE LISTENED THROUGH ROCK AND METAL

[glacial tinsel]

Yeah he’s dead.

[near tide]

He's dead

[versed helm]

Pretty slow for a spartan and a bit slower than a human but still fast, the mask is attached to their mouth.

[versed helm]

Well a grunt ate Buck's family.

It depends on the individual

[versed helm]

343 just showed that jul die lol

[inner citrus]

Australia got blasted by a guardian right?

[gilded mason]

Sydney did

[inner citrus]

Like gundam?

[gilded mason]

I dunno

[frosty whale]

How are fractures related to halo

[gilded mason]

Just non-canon stuff that they want to make that doesn't step on any toes

[versed helm]

Idk why del rio is an UEG senator

[gilded mason]

Because he wanted to be one

[inner citrus]

The yokai helmet from tenrai was their take on locus

[humble yacht]

I think it just uses locus as a base

[frosty whale]

I was super confused on how the yoroi armor could be explained

[humble yacht]

Also, “their take”? Who’s take?

[humble yacht]

It’s from an alternate reality

[frosty whale]

Makes sense

There is no technical application to making a samurai armor

Unlike cat ears which are "enhanced audio devices"

Could you imagine master cheifs face if he was running around zeta halo and he sees samurai armor lol

[versed helm]

I’m surprised that oni didn’t try to get him kick out of infinity since he have weak leadership

[gilded mason]

He did get demoted, though

[inner citrus]

Does fractures explain DOA and killer instinct?

[unique rune]

I mean ONI didn't really want Del Rio to begin with, they just stuck him there to shut some of the other branches up.

[versed helm]

I mean oni should’ve just give him no power Ik that he outranked lasky but still

[gilded mason]

🤔

[inner citrus]

Didn’t fleetcom made lasky captain after del rio leaving a war hero on requiem

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[inner citrus]

What are the odds of spartan locke killed by a spartan killer

[fast falcon]

Possible but unlikely imo

[versed helm]

I mean after he got demoted he became an anti Spartan II politician

[frosty whale]

Imagine that the endless were actually imprisoned because they can mess with the multiverse and that is why yoroi armor is in the Halo universe instead of fractures

[inner citrus]

I wonder if the hayabusa armour count as a fracture

[unique rune]

It's not

[frosty whale]

It's a different project for Project Mjolnir

Its Project Hayabusa

[inner citrus]

Yoroi are based on samurai right?

[unique rune]

Yes

[frosty whale]

Can you still get hayabusa

[inner citrus]

It’s free if you have mcc

[frosty whale]

How do I get it

[versed helm]

Free for mcc you’ve the get all the skulls I believe for 360

[frosty whale]

It was achievements

For katana

[inner citrus]

1000g

[frosty whale]

Do I still need to find the skills or is it given with mcc

[inner citrus]

Given for mcc

[unique rune]

Should be a default unlock in MCC

[versed helm]

It’s given in mcc

[inner citrus]

The fracture armour I want is some iron spider spartan hybrid

[unique rune]

I just want Fractures-type Sangheili armor.

[gilded mason]

Knightly plate armor 😌

[frosty whale]

I think Halo multiverse/fractures related would be cool but I fear 343 would ruin it

[versed helm]

Cat ears aren't "enhanced audio devices", if UNSC and the armor producers wanted to make enhanced audio devices they wouldn't look like cat ears.

Much Halo armors aren't canonical, such as those of MCC, the medieval ones.

Tenrai event armor isn't canonincal too.

It's just there cause it looks cool lol

[cosmic zinc]

IIRC everything "made by" Fotus and 343 is non canon

[errant magnet]

Does anyone know what this translates too? At 17:39 https://youtu.be/m_6ARTKUw4A there is a video that someone posted and I can not find it. He says what it translates too and it’s about the endless

[unique rune]

I’m pretty sure no one’s figured out a translation for it and I very much doubt it says anything Endless-related even if it had been.

[honest sentinel]

Ight hear me out. Probably would never happen and is most likely going to be shot down. Imagine a battle ready flash clone was made of noble 6? Like they had taken samples from him and every other spartan 3 before they implemented augmentation. And then the flash clone is given spartan treatment and used as a ONI assassin and is replaceable... Man I just really like noble 6 😦

[gilded mason]

Consider it shot down.

[honest sentinel]

LOL

[ornate hawk]

so like does anyone know where Zeta Halo jumped to after the battle

[gilded mason]

It's unknown.

[ornate hawk]

also maybe im overthinking but if the ring made a slipspace jump how is chief and all the bodies of those killed during the initial battle there lol

[gilded mason]

Large slipspace bubble

[ornate hawk]

yeah but i mean the fact that a human or any other species isnt obv isnt rated for slipspace unless they're inside something that is

[gilded mason]

Yeah. They were inside the bubble. Thus making them safe

[versed helm]

You do understand that cloning doesn't just suddenly and magically tranfers skills, personality etc? Lol