lore-and-universe

[fast falcon]

Depends on the anime

[ivory prism]

Chief can beat goku with a ravager

[wise bone]

Probably gonna be controversial but would probably lose to the starwars anime.

[low whale]

the star wars anime (and movies) are so inconsistent anyway haha

you can't rlly give it a consistent power level

[fast falcon]

Really the only thing that gives them the edge is the force

Military wise the Covenant is a complete powerhouse when compared to the Galactic empire, with seemingly much more effective weaponry

[wise bone]

The starwars series primarily uses plasma bolts on there ships which should over heat energy shields. Did we ever see starwars imperial ship get destroyed (non force or non lightspeed means)

[low whale]

one MAC would rinse anything in star wars

[fast falcon]

We see Imperial Star Destroyers destroyed all the time

[wise bone]

But how?

[fast falcon]

Rise of Skywalker ended with like hundreds of them being blown up

[low whale]

yeah they constantly get blown up by bombers or crashing or having a lever pulled

xwings shooting their big ball thingies

[wise bone]

I never played so what blew them up?

[fast falcon]

Not to mention the Empire maintained rule through use of single Star Destroyers to police a whole system, whereas the Covenant would utilize entire fleets to invade whole planets at once

[low whale]

it's a film

[fast falcon]

And what blew them up were just normal ships

[wise bone]

You think the covenant would lose to phenus and ferb? This question i use to filter serious fans from casual fans.

[low whale]

yes

[tacit charm]

oh you did not just say that lmao

i actually have numbers for the cov and so far it aint looking so good esp when comparing it to legends empire

heck canon empire might even give the cov a run for its money

[untold wasp]

wait what happened to the janice key from spartan ops,

[tacit charm]

yeeted

or go read escalations

all of them

[wise bone]

Sorry dude legands isnt cannon any more, bring cannon numbers and stop with your fan fiction.

[tacit charm]

💪 🦡 meh when talking about star wars i always use legends esp those 200 gigatons numbers also as for the cov oh boy even in this franchise they are no where close to the true powerhouses

also the word is *canon

[fast falcon]

Gonna go off topic here for a sec but I’d argue that legends is as canon as Disney is. I feel it should be treated less as “this isn’t what happened but this is” and more as two separate realities like DC or Marvel multiverses

It all happened, it’s just all set in it’s own continuity that they are choosing not to add to or expand anymore and is still valid

[unique rune]

Whichever ones whoever is making the comparison wants it to lose to.

All these cross-universe comparisons of power and whatever are... really vague and ill-defined at best because most of the time fictional universes operate on different rules with wildly different power scaling.

[fast falcon]

^this

[unique rune]

And then by that point it just turns into a bunch of nerds arguing over which one has the biggest nonsense made up numbers

[tacit charm]

if anyone's wondering best feat in halo is precursor moving galaxies, star roads, star bombing and universe suck

though that last one isn't really a viable feat so nvm

[fast falcon]

Star Wars legends does get really grand with a lot of feats the force can do now that I remember

[wise bone]

Legends is not cannon

[fast falcon]

It was one thing that made me annoyed with people who praised legends, complaining about the new force stuff in the sequels

[terse lava]

Eh Canon SW makes no sense, seeing as you have a tiny clone army in a massive galaxy war and it still gets named after them. I just tend to ignore it

[wise bone]

Good point man, actually i think you win.

[tacit charm]

legends is even more ridiculous

[fast falcon]

Saying this as a huge Star Wars fan who loves the series a lot. The series has a lot of flaws that don’t make it a very believable or in depth world lol

[tacit charm]

6 million clones against a quintillion droids

seems fair to me

[fast falcon]

Tbf tho, the Clone Wars did see droid clones used across a lot of the galaxy

And the clones acted as more commando units leading the fight

Tho the movies sure don’t point that out at any point

[wise bone]

Nope, the precursors created nerual physics which is more impressive then any pysical feats.

[terse lava]

In tiny battles for the most part. Best portrayal I think I ever saw for a clone wars battle, was that of Muunilist

[tacit charm]

why do you think i mentioned star roads

[wise bone]

I mean to say dope,

[tacit charm]

there's also fact that the precursor may have survived the big bang but i have little evidence to back that up besides 100 billion year old precursor stuff

[terse lava]

There is nothing showing that, that's just saying how much info they had

[tacit charm]

ik hence why i said may

[terse lava]

For example, remember when Bungie had decades of game data for FF?

[tacit charm]

i highly doubt the precursor can survive the big gang bang

[wise bone]

The big bang might be survivable for any creature tbh. We don't know the compressed size to the universe and the big bang wasnt and currently unknow to be hot.

It was just a rapid expansion, to us we call that an explosion but in space it would mean alot.

[tacit charm]

nah big bang totally big boom and not expansion

im jk btw

[wise bone]

We don't know whats pushing the universe in all directions and if its still expanding then its definitely not an explosion

Explosions die out, we see it everywhere in space and on earth. Space is weird, and it gets weirder everyday.

[terse lava]

Universe itself is weird

[tacit charm]

universe/multiverse in halo weirder

[fast falcon]

At least people don’t huff worm crap in the halo universe

As far as I know at least

[low whale]

expanding can be due to an explosion, accelerating expansion means not an explosion *without something else acting on it still

[terse lava]

Just shows either way we know nothing of thr universe

[fast falcon]

I’m legit terrified of the first intelligent lifeform we meet in the galaxy eventually

[low whale]

it's me

[terse lava]

Eh

[tacit charm]

elon musk

[low whale]

elon musk isn't intelligent

he's just a businessman with no morals

[fast falcon]

One that can really work social media

[wispy prawn]

I just finished halo: Devine Wind. And I’m so happy and so sad

[terse lava]

It is a pretty decent book

[low whale]

oh yeah I liked that one

[tacit charm]

im sad cause the book described mac rounds in way where they were slow enough to be perceived by the ferrets and have time for them to do some mission impossible stuff yet also gave us the oh the spirit of fire was 50,000km above the ark

[terse lava]

The SOF likely can adjust the speed of a MAC if need be

[tacit charm]

ik

[low whale]

the spirit of fire is probably my fav ship design

just before infinity and pillar

[boreal current]

I have a question. Are the Loyalists still around or have most of them been killed?

[wispy prawn]

It was great just sad that mark died and no one but Voridus and Pavium know the prelate is alive

[wispy prawn]

Yes. They are Fighting the banished and spirit of fire on the ark to gain control of a slipspace crystal

[split glacier]

Yo buddy

How’s it going

[tacit charm]

the rules are stricter here, gg my guy

[split glacier]

Lol I’ll be fine

[tacit charm]

wait

how are you gonna vc in 00?

[split glacier]

Wym?

I can’t lol

[near tide]

Star Wars is screwed against halo

[wise bone]

The infinity is vulnerable to ramming.

Soooo gues what the rebles do in that one movie? Light speed ramming

[split glacier]

The infinity ain’t tanking the death star lol

But I digress

[wise bone]

Im playing devils advocate here, i actually don't care who wins but its fun debating with you nerds.

[tacit charm]

[wise bone]

On contrast, can the death star tank the infinity?

[tacit charm]

169 megatons > 2.25 exatons

[split glacier]

In a collision

[split glacier]

Which is which

[tacit charm]

a jk

[wise bone]

He's bringing up legands numbers again, hoooooo boy

[near tide]

Infantry wise Star Wars has no chance

[split glacier]

How

[near tide]

Spartans beat Jedi any day

[split glacier]

A battalion of clones stomp UNSC marines all day

[near tide]

Jedi can only block lasers because lasers go quite slow

[tacit charm]

169 megatons is the infinity from Spartan ops

[near tide]

A lot slower than bullets

[wise bone]

Light sabers actually suck against ballisticts

[summer cobalt]

170

[near tide]

Yep

[tacit charm]

171

[wise bone]

Hot lead in your face

[near tide]

If you block a bullet you get pelted by molten metal

[summer cobalt]

172

[split glacier]

But can they tank dozens of blaster bolts per second?

[wise bone]

You gotta force push everybullet but the jedi's reliance on lightsabers make them vulnerable

[near tide]

A few Spartans can easily beat a battalion

[fast falcon]

They can survive that for similar reasons they can survive dozens of plasma shots lol

[split glacier]

My guy

How

[near tide]

Plasma is nastier than sw lasers too

[gilded mason]

wut

[split glacier]

Most Spartans are killed under mass barrage

[near tide]

Guerilla warfare and staying at a range with Gauss guns

[split glacier]

Hardly any survived reach for that reason

Stranded against hundreds of thousand of enemies Spartans go bye bye

[wise bone]

The plasama in halo is super heated ions, meaning something physical is heated to super hot levels. The plasma in sw is hot gas. I think this is correct what you said.

[near tide]

Because they were outnumbered thousands to one by decent forces

[low whale]

thats kinda the same thing

[fast falcon]

I mean, Reach was the biggest covenant fleet anyone had ever seen and the Spartans were near suicidally dedicated to defending it

[near tide]

Some Spartans fought on reach for weeks or months and survived

[split glacier]

Clones > average Covvie

[tacit charm]

i wonder

[split glacier]

Some

[near tide]

They beat grunts, decent against jackals, get stomped by hunters elites and brutes

[fast falcon]

Covvies also far outnumbered clones

[split glacier]

Like a 1/4 of what was deployed

[near tide]

The covenant is massive too

Lots of forces

[fast falcon]

I’d argue the average Sangheili would be pretty even, if not better than the average clone

[near tide]

Easily better

Energy shielding, better weapons, faster and stronger

[fast falcon]

Guaranteed more actual experience too

[split glacier]

Minor elites get whiped by clones no diff

[fast falcon]

Sangheili have an incredibly martial culture whereas clones are mass produced with a few short years training

[near tide]

In a 1 on 1 or even 1v4 elites win

[split glacier]

I’d put the average clone on par with ODSTs combat wise

[near tide]

No

A marine

[split glacier]

Nah

A marine wasn’t trained from birth

Clones were

[near tide]

Clones have been alive a couple months

So marines had more training

[split glacier]

Clones often fought outnumbered at least 10 to 1 and won most engagements

[fast falcon]

Elites also have extensive training for years

[split glacier]

Decades*

[fast falcon]

Hugely martial culture, remember. They live and breathe warfare

[split glacier]

It takes 10 years for a clone to reach maturity, most of which is spent training in teams of 5 against larger forces for graduation

[near tide]

Against droids, who honestly are worse than grunts

Droids have terrible accuracy

Clones have terrible tactics too

[split glacier]

What

[fast falcon]

I mean that’s just Hollywood tactics a lot of the time

[near tide]

Their generals are just peacekeepers who are part time soldiers

[fast falcon]

The Clone Wars shows the clones being rather effective in the right situations

[tacit charm]

hmm

odd

[near tide]

I love sw but halo wins

[tacit charm]

friend of mine calculated a spartan shields to be able to withstand 8 to 10 mj

[split glacier]

Most clones by the end of war either adapted to poor leadership or had decent leadership

[near tide]

A ton of the Jedi sucked at leading

[tacit charm]

[split glacier]

Mj?

[tacit charm]

mega joules

[fast falcon]

One thing worth noting is that all the Jedi also aren’t exactly as great warriors as the ones shown in the movies

[tacit charm]

now

[split glacier]

How much energy is produced by a single blaster bolt

[near tide]

Your friends measurement probably isn’t accurate

[tacit charm]

idk where he got the source specially so dont quote me on this

[near tide]

We should only use data from the games and books

[tacit charm]

yottatons for all i care

[fast falcon]

They’re very skilled, but an average jedi will still fall to the right tactics and overwhelming firepower, so the average Spartan I’d say might have a better chance against the average jedi

[split glacier]

Lol

The average Spartan prolly couldn’t take a master Jedi

[tacit charm]

though funnily enough

[fast falcon]

As much energy is needed for the plot

[near tide]

A better spartan could

A 2 maybe, a 3 or 4 probably not

But they’re a lot of spartans

[split glacier]

Idk yoda would clear any Spartan sorry not sorry

[near tide]

If we consider all of them alive that’s a massive force

[fast falcon]

Putting someone like John with Cortana backing him up against Anakin would be an interesting fight tho

[near tide]

A lightsaber is a less nasty energy sword

[tacit charm]

if you take the SW galaxy spinning ftl in the ending of empire strikes back then well technically it would ironically be yottatons plus though for obvious reasons im not going to argue that this is 100% canon

[split glacier]

Could still kill a Spartan

[fast falcon]

A lightsaber is very effective because of the wielder tho

[near tide]

True

[fast falcon]

So comparing an energy sword to a light saber isn’t fair

[near tide]

But a spartan in mjolnir can kill a Jedi in one punch

[fast falcon]

Of course

[near tide]

If they’re a normal humanoid

[split glacier]

If he can connect the hit

[near tide]

And Spartans are extremely fast

[split glacier]

So is the force

[tacit charm]

use a squirt gun on a spartan

instant death

[near tide]

Force pushes won’t do anything

[split glacier]

Spartans ain’t faster than the force

How

[near tide]

No damage anyway

[split glacier]

Are Spartans immune to the force

The didact would disagree

[tacit charm]

imo yes

[near tide]

Spartans are really heavy too

[tacit charm]

[fast falcon]

Even then a Spartan is very agile with great reflexes, so a force push would be nothing more than an inconvenience

[split glacier]

Pretty sure a more powerful force user can force push 1000 pounds

[fast falcon]

Force push a Spartan into a wall, all you’ll get is a dented wall

[split glacier]

Yoda definitely

[near tide]

Spartans are 2k

[boreal current]

But are they immune to force lightning?

[split glacier]

Can you force choke a Spartan?

[tacit charm]

starkiller in legends pulled down a star destroyer

[split glacier]

Or is there also an immunity to that

[fast falcon]

Jedi don’t use force lightning typically

[split glacier]

Ahsoka in canon stalled a small ship

[fast falcon]

Starkiller is pretty damn op tho

[split glacier]

Can’t tell me a skilled Jedi can’t force push a Spartan

[boreal current]

Remember when Palpatine used force lightning on a fleet of ships in the Rise Of Skywalker?

[split glacier]

Or pull something big on top of em

[fast falcon]

I’ve said they can but it really wouldn’t do anything worthwhile

[untold wasp]

is master chief endless since he can control time by always resetting time when he dies

[split glacier]

Lmao

[valid hemlock]

Nope, they are about 1000 pounds, actually the master chief is about 800 lb

[tacit charm]

a random jedi apprentice (think she was ki adi mundi apprentice) managed to literally stop a venator from crashing for a brief time

[fast falcon]

Really I don’t think the average Jedi have any feats that could really matter against the average Spartan

[tacit charm]

so 500kg > at least 1000 tons

🦡

[split glacier]

Bruh

[tacit charm]

also

im jk about the 1000 tons thing that venator lifting did indeed happen, dont get confused

[fast falcon]

Unless we just bring up some outliers from the expanded universe like Dregg is doing

By their own natures even, Spartans are trained to be complete killing machines physically and mentally, their entire body practically engineered towards that purpose, their armour equally so

The Jedi on the other hand, are an order of monks more focused on meditation and connecting to a hard to understand ethereal force that gives them limited aid in combat

[split glacier]

Yoda clutches Chief

[fast falcon]

Depends on the situation I’d say

[tacit charm]

[fast falcon]

Chief’s reflexes are extraordinarily fast, more so with Cortana on him

[split glacier]

Palpatine solos Chief

[tacit charm]

actually

if all canon sources are to be taken literally

[fast falcon]

Yeah this convo has devolved to a point it’s not worth having

[tacit charm]

most if not all jedis have ftl reaction speed

[fast falcon]

That’s not directed at you Dregg btw

[split glacier]

Palpatine does solo Chief tho

[low whale]

ftl reaction speed is impossible

[tacit charm]

😢

[tacit charm]

it's star wars

[low whale]

I mean

valid

[tacit charm]

anything impossible becomes possible and anything possible becomes invalid

[fast falcon]

That’s Star Wars writing alright

[tacit charm]

also since we're on the topic of light speed reactions

black team have been shown to do such things in bloodline comics

though for the most obvious reasons it is the biggest outlier

[low whale]

idk what you mean by ftl reactions though

[split glacier]

Vader solos Chief as well

[low whale]

like do you just mean super short reaction time?

[tacit charm]

black team just casually dodges lasers in their comic with little to no effort

[low whale]

ohhh I see what you mean now

yeah igy

[tacit charm]

yes

[fast falcon]

These are things that make series like Star Wars and Halo get annoying lol

There’s so much content to get into but with it comes so many specific and mixed details that we gotta sort through if you ever compare stuff like this

[split glacier]

Vader held off very high water pressure with the force

[fast falcon]

Part of the reason I actually didn’t mind Disney sorting things off into a new continuity

[split glacier]

Much more force output than required to handle Chief

[vernal notch]

My younger brother keeps asking me if ONI could just clone soldiers and im so confused

[split glacier]

I actually much prefer new canon

Much less sloppy over all

[tacit charm]

vader lost to the high ground

shut

[fast falcon]

Chief has a grapple hook now so getting high ground is easy too

Chief stomps Vader cause logic

[split glacier]

Lmao

Bruh

[fast falcon]

Thus Halo beats Star Wars

Discussion done

[split glacier]

Imo halo canon hasn’t been the same since the HC War ended

[drowsy karma]

SW blasters are basically plasma weapons AFAIK

Blasters [Star Wars] = Plasma Weapons [Halo] = PPGs [Babylon 5] = EM Weapons [Star Trek: Enterprise]
in terms of basic concept

[versed helm]

Are we allow to talk about the upcoming halo tv series in here?

[unique rune]

I mean, yeah, of course it’d be different. No longer is it constrained to that same status quo of humanity being the underdog, fighting for survival.

Or at least it was, until 5’s ending started going back to that and then Infinite firmly cemented us back in that same spot. Ugh.

[low whale]

I loved the kilo 5 books with humanity establishing itself and bringing in different kinds of conflict

but then yeah all back to 0

[vernal notch]

One of the reasons i like warhammer is because the humans arent shown as weak, poorly organized armies with a constant losing streak with anything they find

[terse lava]

Kinda because Kilo 5 proved rather unpopular among the fan base as the writer didn't do any research on thr universe before writing her books

[low whale]

oh really? I didn't think it clashed with anything

[terse lava]

Few things, such as comparing Halsey to a particular 20th century German group, as if she was solely responsible for the spartan project. Portraying the Sangheili as bumbling incompetents who can't build or farm on their own.

[gilded mason]

And even going "This canon primary source for something Halsey did? It was a lie, I'm going to write what actually happened."

[terse lava]

@gilded mason wasn't there also a part where Lucy gets so angry she punches Halsey at full force, who lives?

[gilded mason]

Yup

And then gets her voice back, after it being said that she'd never speak again.

Just had to hate Halsey enough!

Oh, and there was also that "All the aliens went back to their home planets" thing.

[terse lava]

Thought she got her voice back from being punched or thrown herself wasn't it?

[gilded mason]

She got it back from her sheer rage at Halsey

Which is...

[terse lava]

Ah

@gilded mason I know what it is, let's blame neural...

[gilded mason]

🅱️ ysics

[terse lava]

@gilded mason that's the letter, "B"

"For failure such as this, no punishment is to great"

[split glacier]

I find it interesting that the first half of the war is known as the massacre of the outer colonies while the second half is the siege of the inner colonies

[gilded mason]

🇫 ysics

[terse lava]

@gilded mason shakes fist

Not like the UNSC cares about the outer colonies

[gilded mason]

I would have used an Innie emote there, but it turns out this server doesn't have a very diverse emote set available.

[terse lava]

Nah

[frigid oracle]

TRUE

[quick slate]

How good are the brutes at driving cruisers?

[gilded mason]

Not very good at first due to lack of experience, but probably better by now if they've become more comfortable.

[quick slate]

Now i understand why Arbie asked if it was more brutes when the flood came to earth in H3

[frigid oracle]

they must be "ok", cuz after the schism there were more brute shipmaster (i think)

[gritty gazelle]

Lasers=plasma not light

[frigid oracle]

what

[gritty gazelle]

That’s like saying lightning is light speed

FTL reaction speed is literally impossible

[unique rune]

I'm pretty sure the Forerunner facility they were trapped in during the events of Bloodline did use some form of laser weapons

[gritty gazelle]

Probably, I was just making the argument that lasers are plasma therefore it’s not lightspeed

[astral mason]

I just ordered shadows of reach, should I replay halo 5 for any context or just go in after watching a recap

[unique rune]

Not really much context needed to go into it outside of knowing about how the Created takeover went down.
You'd probably get more value out of re-reading Denning's other Chief novels for some of the minor connections it makes.

Maybe even some of his non-Chief novels too, come to think of it. Denning makes a habit of referencing characters and story bits from his other books.

[astral mason]

Ok ty

[quick slate]

Why does spark say that Chief is forerunner?

[gilded mason]

Bungie had conflicting ideas about the Human/Forerunner connection.

Different people on the writing team had different ideas on it

[quick slate]

Is it still canon?

[gilded mason]

No

[quick slate]

alright

[gilded mason]

It stabilized to them being different

[quick slate]

What was a Reclaimer?

[gilded mason]

Humans chosen by Forerunners to reclaim their tech

[obsidian thistle]

Spark was essentially rampant.

He recognized that John and Cortana were similar to the Iso-Didact and his ancilla. And when stuff got to his head, he went full rampant taking that similarity to meaning one the same when they werent.

[drowsy karma]

His AI was breaking down

Artifical insanity

A couple of Terminal entries in Halo Anniversary hint at this

[wispy prawn]

Do I need any prior knowledge to Read Legacy of onyx

[humble yacht]

Yes

It relies heavily of knowledge of Ghosts of Onyx as well as Halo 5

[wispy prawn]

I’ve played halo five I own ghosts of onyx haven’t read it yet though do I need prior knowledge for ghosts of onyx?

[humble yacht]

Yea, it directly follows First Strike

[wispy prawn]

Ok I’ll buy it then thanks

[astral mason]

Where was blue team during all the games before guardians

[boreal current]

Lets see:

Halo 1: Reach from what i can remember
Halo 2: Earth for the first couple of missions. Onyx by the time the schism was starting.
Halo 3: Onyx
Halo 4: Earth I think. They reunited with John right after the end of 4 and helped him fight the didact

[astral mason]

Were they a team of their own without john

Or did they only team up in the EU

[fast falcon]

They were Johns original team since training, at least Kelly was

[boreal current]

Oh Blue team was his team its just that the events of 1, 2 and 3 prevented them from meeting up

[ornate hawk]

i know between CE and H2 john and the survivors of installation 04 went back to reach and found the rest of blue team but i dont remember how they got separated again

well except for linda cause she was severely injured so yeah obv she had to be on the sidelines for a bit as she got medical care

[boreal current]

Fred and Linda were apparently sent to ONI HQ and maybe it was due to only John being invited to the reward ceremony

[astral mason]

I burped and it smells like halo 5’s story

[boreal current]

There wasnt really a chance to regroup during the Earth levels of 2

[wispy prawn]

Yes Blue team is lead by Fred not chief.

[astral mason]

Oh

i see

Is it like Jerome, Alice and and Douglas

[wispy prawn]

i always thought Chief was the leader

Kind of

[ornate hawk]

Fred takes command whenever Chief isnt present

[astral mason]

He’s the second in command because of inequality 😂

joke

I’m kidding

[unique rune]

Fred officially outranks John, after a field promotion to Lieutenant, but he'll often still defer to 117 in the field.

[ornate hawk]

yeah its purely a respect thing given there can only be one Master Chief and John has built up a large enough reputation to himself

[astral mason]

Master Chief Fortnite

[ornate hawk]

Lord Hood even recommended him for Admiral once but Chief declined it because he's doesnt want to be an officer, he was bred to be a soldier and wanted to continue being one

[astral mason]

Admiral John

I’d like to see that

[fast falcon]

A Spartan II washout is actually the current head of ONI

[boreal current]

Another one is also the head the Spartan Branch

[ornate hawk]

CO of the UNSC Infinity lol

[astral mason]

Hell yeah

[ornate hawk]

no lie if Chief did accept the promotion to admiral they probably would give him the Infinity

[fast falcon]

I’m not certain. He’s not really a ship commander

[astral mason]

Imagine the intro to infinite with him as the admiral

Instant classic

Keyes style

[fast falcon]

I think he’d be more likely to be placed in charge of the Spartan IV branch of some kind of something along the lines of Hoods work

[astral mason]

Like jun?

[fast falcon]

Yeah pretty much

[ornate hawk]

well the Infinity was essentially the base of operations for the Spartans IVs lol

[astral mason]

I can imagine him training the spartan IVs with Jun after infinite

[ornate hawk]

so sounds like he would be on the ship regardless

[wispy prawn]

They sometimes had others with them like Ash-G099, Mark-G313, Olivia-G291. So there not always a trio without Chief

[boreal current]

You mean replace Musa or become one of his direct subordinates?

[wispy prawn]

Jun is most likely dead..

[fast falcon]

Either, or

[astral mason]

You sure?

[fast falcon]

He’d most likely be involved with the program somehow, if not in more of a direct oversight position of a larger portion of the UNSC like Hood

[wispy prawn]

Not sure but he is most likely dead. Last time we saw him he was on the station that leanodis blew up

[astral mason]

I just burped for the third time and it smells like the idea that Jun is dead

[tacit charm]

lasers do travel at the speed of light also i did state this is the biggest outlier even for a spartan

[wispy prawn]

The hope is that 343 decided not to kill loved characters off screen

[tacit charm]

would be funny if in rubricon protocol if it just said Jun was KIA in the station

[astral mason]

Jun is one of my favorites because he acts like a ninja turtle… technically noble is like the turtles, Jorge - Raphael. Carter - Leonardo. Jun - Donatello

Kat - Michaelangelo

[fast falcon]

…how is Kat anything like Mikey?

[astral mason]

Scratch that

Kat is like Donnie

and Raph is like Jun

[wispy prawn]

I need that book to come out! But I hope they don’t do that

[astral mason]

Jorge is closer to Mikey in my eyes

[drowsy karma]

He is spoken of on the firing range.

[wispy prawn]

True but that doesn’t confirm he’s alive

[gritty gazelle]

Lasers have mass so they literally can’t

[drowsy karma]

Huh-whaaaaA?

[gritty gazelle]

?

[near tide]

Plasma isn’t at light speed

[gritty gazelle]

^

Basic science

[drowsy karma]

Plasma weapons are not lasers, though.

[astral mason]

Beam Rifle says hi

[drowsy karma]

I want to like the Beam Rifle, but that overheating problem is just too much

[astral mason]

Well it’s a laser based gun

[drowsy karma]

Wiki says it's a particle-based gun

[astral mason]

Which is what you said doesn’t fall into the plasma category

Well visually

It’s a laser

If I see something that looks like it’s a laser

[drowsy karma]

Probably not photons

[astral mason]

It’s a laser

[drowsy karma]

Whatever it is, someone else can have it. The Carbine is a lot more fun and reliable

[gritty gazelle]

But still isn’t light speed

[sullen grotto]

not to interrupt but I AM ALIVE

[drowsy karma]

I restocked my sleeping pills and have ceased to be a creature of the night

[sullen grotto]

i can finally speak after being sent to the shadow realm

[drowsy karma]

You get the Monitor zap?

I've been thinking....clothing styles for alien civilians? I know the Sangheili are inspired by feudal Japan, but what about everyone else?

[astral mason]

How about no clothes

[gilded mason]

I know the Sangheili are inspired by feudal Japan
They are not

They're more knights/Norse

[drowsy karma]

That's fine for Lekgolo, and Yanme'e

[drowsy karma]

Huh. Curse you, Legends!

[gilded mason]

Civilian Sangheili are shown to wear things like tunics and sometimes cloaks or shawls

[gilded mason]

Yup, Legends visuals shouldn't really be taken as fact.

[drowsy karma]

Jiralhanae would probably like studded leather

[sullen grotto]

monke

[drowsy karma]

Unggoy wear whatever seems popular or trendy at the time. Or try and fail with disastrous results

Kig-Yar would probably wear lots of ornaments

[opal gazelle]

Jiralhanae would walk down the street naked w/out shame

[drowsy karma]

Halo 2 Jiralhanae are just meaner Wookiees

[terse lava]

We do know that wealthy Unggoy merchants wore fancy methane tanks with jewels on them

[ornate hawk]

to my understanding the brutes either just walked around naked or in sparse leather garnments lmao

[indigo ingot]

So how did all the marines on installation 4 die in an escape pod meant for hard landings but hardly anyone died being shot down by a scarab AA auto turret in an open pelican with the scarab doing more dammage

[ornate hawk]

on their homeworld some kig yar wore no clothes too, but others who were nobles, scientists, etc. would wear robes and cloaks

[ornate hawk]

well its meant for hard landings if all the systems work, for example on Chief's pod the airbrakes failed so it suffered a landing that was a bit too hard

the "day at the beach" cutscene for halo 2 also shows Stacker's pelican suffered about 50% casulties

[indigo ingot]

You think they would have a failsafe compromise for that in 2552 like a drag cute or something

Sorry drouge shoot for the nerds

Or however you spell it

[near tide]

Drag Shute

[near tide]

The Norse weren’t obsessed with honor

[gilded mason]

Not everything was from the norse.

[near tide]

What parts of the Sangheili would you consider Norse-inspired

[gilded mason]

The spilled blood and medical thing is from ancient Norse. The seafaring nature of ancient Sangheili plus the ships they used. And the closer uncle/aunt connections, at the very least.

[versed helm]

Why we didnt fight the Yanmee?

[split heron]

@terse lava is it true your kind says “wort wort wort”?

[indigo ingot]

Can someone remind me why the prophets wanted to get rid of the elites even before regret died

[split heron]

No clue go back and play the worst halo game ever, Halo 5: Guardians

[unique rune]

The Sangheili were thinking about things a bit more than Truth liked, starting to question stuff about the whole war against humanity in the first place, so he wanted to replace them with individuals who would follow a bit more… blindly.

[terse lava]

The destruction of Alpha Halo, and later the loss of Regret, gave him the perfect excuse to expel them

[ocean matrix]

I wouldn’t compare Sangheli culture to Norse, granted most of the culture is based on combinations of many different ones, they are probably closer to Samurais and ironically Spartans

[gilded mason]

The writer who made their culture stuff named the Norse as one of his inspirations.

[ocean matrix]

Ah gotcha, well they are a fun species all the same.

I do like the nice call back to Colony in Infinite

Glad the writers didn’t write that off on a one and done deal

[indigo ingot]

They kinda remind me of imperial Japan, some zealots and high ranks would kill them selves if they were to lose a battle for the 2nd time in a row due to the dis honor they held on their shoulders because of it

[gilded mason]

343 has said that they don't follow that "Elites will kill themselves if they don't get promoted" thing.

[indigo ingot]

Yeah I think it was something from one of the older books or conversations of halo 2 I don't quite remember it was a while ago since I heard it

[gilded mason]

From the fact-dubious Halo Encyclopedia.

[ocean matrix]

Kinda funny how Kig Yar are the first species to introduce the female of their species (well the first we get to actually see)

[indigo ingot]

Technically the drones and hunters are female because usually male insects are the workers and mate with the queen and hunters are probably asexual given they are worms so they are technically aren't male but not female

[silk adder]

Is there a reason the covenant have an affinity to the color purple?

[indigo ingot]

I think it might be because most the species' blood is purple so it shows their will to the gr at journey

[versed helm]

The arbiter eats a dorito vertically and dies

I'm so smart

[silk adder]

That is actually a really good point I wonder if there's anything in canon to solidify that point

[low whale]

I don't think they really cared once the covenant wasn't pushing them to fight

[vernal notch]

Probably the color of the material they use

YOU BEAT ME TO IT

[low whale]

different covenant species have a variety of blood colours

Prophets: red
Elites: Indigo
Brutes: Purple
Grunts: Blue
Jackals: Purple

[versed helm]

I didn't know the prophets had red blood.

[versed helm]

I think it is.

[low whale]

yeah they splash out orange goo

[split glacier]

Morning everyone

[split glacier]

I thought we had the same color of blood as brutes

[low whale]

if you have purple blood sure

oh looks like it was red in reach, but purple/dark blue otherwise

https://www.halopedia.org/Blood

[split glacier]

My bad reach was the one I for sure played the most

[versed helm]

i just assumed it was red because they were primates like us

So they left the Covenant army?

The brutes didn't leave humanity

they just aren't humans

they evolved on Doisac, notearth

[low whale]

yeah they're similar looking to primates but still a totally alien evolution

[versed helm]

okay

unrelated and stupid question time

[low whale]

no such thing as a stupid question

unless it's about BTB servers

[versed helm]

is it ever strategically viable to try and break a jackal's shield rather than shooting for the weak point?

this is totally about the lore

not how to fight jackals

[low whale]

I guess if they were like

phalanxed together

but otherwise better to just go for the gap yeah

[versed helm]

cool

[low whale]

I normally just dive in and melee the shield anyway

[versed helm]

i do that too

i'd say 1/4-5 kills i make in campaign is a melee

who needs alien lasers when you have your fists

[low whale]

especially with the shield upgrades in infinite

you can just tank a bunch

[versed helm]

yeah

And what about the prophets, still they exist or they are all dead?

i think some prophets are alive

but most are dead

i don't really know

all i did is watch the hiddenxperia flood videos

[low whale]

there's a whole race of them

loads are alive just not in charge any more (and the former covenant species are probably pretty mad at them)

[valid hemlock]

prophets as we know them are dead, however, the species is still alive, mind you, since the infection of high charity there are only like 1000 of them

[versed helm]

most of them were on high charity

i think that some are in fleets of covenant

probably some were brute fleets and they are still in hiding

[boreal current]

A flotilla of them escaped High Charity heading towards a Shield World

[versed helm]

others might be captured by arby's elites or the UNSC

maybe some are even in the banished

or in covenant fragment forces

I would like to play a spin off where humans have the first contact with an alien species

[low whale]

probably some trying to cling onto power in little covenant fragments too

[versed helm]

i would love that

maybe a space RTS where you play as captain wallace of the UNSC iforgotthenameoftheship and you have to fight off the covenant as the Spartan-II's get their mjolnir

i read the fall of reach

yes because i want see more

Well i'm gonna go try shooting jackal shields in firefight. and then tell you it doesn't work. then go do it again. cya

[low whale]

space rts would be sm fun

probably would have to be halo 4 era or thereabouts

or humans are super underpowered in space

[cosmic cloud]

I've a question about the races of the verse, that's been pressing me. Obviously building spacecraft isn't easy and requires a ton of intelligence. The elites and more specifically the Brutes were along these lines, yet no such being seems even close to rational of ever building such a monument (for the brutes)

And likewise with the Sangheili having reverse engineered Forerunner tech

Why was it that they didn't have their own intelligence groups? How could it be that humanity is the most enlightened. It's weird.

[low whale]

the sangheili mostly just worshipped the tech until they needed it to survive their war with the prophets I think?

and then the prophets kept them all in the very rigid covenant system, reliant on copying tech not innovating it, to maintain their own power at the top

[cosmic cloud]

Alright and what about the brutes being a type 4 civilization

[low whale]

they worked their way up to space travel and nuked themselves back down again a couple of times I think

where does it say they're type 4?

[cosmic cloud]

I read a comment.

[low whale]

unless it just counts slipspace as manipulating space time, which tbf it is

but nah they're nowhere near type 4

[cosmic cloud]

They don't seem capable of academia, is all I can think.

[low whale]

type 4 is harnessing the full output of a supercluster of galaxies

[humble yacht]

Are you talking about the civilization Tiers?

[cosmic cloud]

Honestly I just paraphrased the civ 4 comment but that's not my question

[low whale]

I assumed kardashev scale idk if there's a halo specific one haha

[humble yacht]

There is

[low whale]

ohhh I see

yeah just space age* ok

[humble yacht]

Other scales don’t really apply to halo in any meaningful way

Brutes were either tier 3 or 4 before joining the covenant

Covenant was tier 2, forerunners tier 1, precursors theoretically tier 0

[low whale]

so I guess ancient humans would've been tier 1 as well? before getting kicked back down

[humble yacht]

Yes

[cosmic cloud]

My question is just, how is it that humanity is capable of things like the Spartan programs (which is eugenics) and developing at a rapid pace etc. When it seems like every other race in the verse was just given their technology that they don't understand. And also, other races seem to lack any sort of academic society

[low whale]

genetic modification =/= eugenics

[valid hemlock]

that and also that sangheili limited technology to the brutes when they joined the convenant

[humble yacht]

San shyuum developed tech way faster than humans

Elites too

The covenant was riding through space for 3000 years

[low whale]

there's a few bits of the books that mention the elites being super narrowed into their warrior code system, at the expense of agriculture etc, by the covenant structure

bc the prophets needed them to not be self-sufficient

I'm pretty sure?

[humble yacht]

Iirc the elites already had settled multiple planets by the time they had a war with the San shyuum

[low whale]

similar vibe to the Interdependency books by John Scalzi

[fast falcon]

Humanity was also implanted with a number of geas, which are very powerful genetic implants in humanity which led them to developing stuff like MJOLNIR armour and smart AIs faster than other races as well

[low whale]

maintaining a power base by never letting any 1 power competitor have all the resources

[humble yacht]

Not really faster

Prophets had prelates

Well before Spartans existed

[fast falcon]

But Y’know what I mean, the Librarian practically gave humanity a hand in developing their best equipment while the Covenant were stalled by religious restrictions

[quick slate]

how fast did the Infinity fall to the Banished?

[low whale]

esharum says 4 minutes

he might be exaggerating though bc that seems wayyyy too quick

[versed helm]

My guess is that the infinity would fall in a few hours.

[sullen grotto]

i mean four of those ramming warships smashed into it probably hitting core areas so its not impossible

[quick slate]

Wouldnt the Banished suffer heavy losses if they rammed the Infinity?

[sullen grotto]

yeah probably

but its the brutes/banished

they dont give an F

[quick slate]

True

[sullen grotto]

i kinda see it like that one scene in rogue one with the one rebel ramming ship vs the star destroyer except multiple rammers

[humble yacht]

The banished brought more forces than infinity did

It’s also possible they outfitted ships specifically designed to take out infinity that way

[sullen grotto]

infinity was very understaffed so that added to the suckerpunch

[quick slate]

What class is the Infinity?

[low whale]

infinity class I think, since it's the 1st of its type

[sullen grotto]

i dont remember but the best of the best

yeah it is the infinity-class

[low whale]

and the eternity never got built

[quick slate]

Eternity?

[low whale]

2nd infinity class ship was being built

but then the parts got used to rebuild infinity

[sage crypt]

Question. Escharum recruited atriox when a part of the covenant, then he rebelled and had escharum take second in command or something? That’s what is implied when he says “atriox my finest achievement, is lost to us.” In one of his audio logs right?

[hallow siren]

Seems like a very ONI thing to do. They outta just activate 1 of the Halo Rings that's out of range from any Human Colony & wipe out any of the Alien Races. They're all a threat.

[boreal current]

That would trigger the rest...

[hallow siren]

Only from the Ark tho

Edit - Never mind

[fast falcon]

Basically he was a mentor to Atriox before the two left the covenant, enough that when Atriox questioned the great journey he actively sought out Escharum for advice. When Atriox made the choice to rebel, he sought out Escharum again to recruit him because he appreciated his council so much

[hallow siren]

They still outta fire a ring tho

[humble yacht]

Atriox recruited escharum

[quick slate]

Is the Ark a Halo ring or not? Its called Installation 00 and im unsure

[boreal current]

Its where they are forged

[sage crypt]

Ah ok

[quick slate]

Which Ark do we go to in 3?

[humble yacht]

Lesser

Only the lesser is left

[boreal current]

The Lesser ark. The greater one was smashed by the Star Roads

[quick slate]

Star Roads?

[humble yacht]

Precursor stuff

For more info, read the Forerunner Trilogy

[boreal current]

https://www.halopedia.org/Star_road

Comes with a picture of said event

[split glacier]

What have I missed

[terse lava]

Is a pretty awesome yet terrifying picture

[sharp inlet]

so everything started because the prophets are dumb?

[split glacier]

In the HC War?

[sharp inlet]

ye

[tacit charm]

00's server

also a dumb conversation earlier today/yesterday

[sharp inlet]

lets fire the ring

is a good option

• a prophet

[split glacier]

Bruh

[tacit charm]

i mean for all we know maybe the forerunners did transcend

[split glacier]

Come on man

[tacit charm]

[tacit charm]

[split glacier]

Lol

[sharp inlet]

the great journey is real

[split glacier]

They still talking smack on me?

[sharp inlet]

believe me guys

[fast falcon]

Theoretically speaking, when they fired the ring it could have sent their minds to a heaven like place as well as destroying their bodies

No way to know unless we try

[sharp inlet]

lets activate zeta halo

[tacit charm]

speedrun mode

[sharp inlet]

heaven speedrun any%

[fast falcon]

Gonna set a new world record on murder suicides

[tacit charm]

damn

i saw that

[sharp inlet]

ah yes

forgot the rule

[tacit charm]

[sharp inlet]

me pro

arbiter is good, we team, the flood is here, the flood is good, the flood is bad again

halo 3:

[split glacier]

Tbh that server was lame anyway

[tacit charm]

[split glacier]

What

It be true

[tacit charm]

i mean there's only like 3 other (imo) high quality halo servers

2 of which you're already in

[fast falcon]

Can I take a guess at the third?

It’s just the one server I share with you but not Tuna

[tacit charm]

||no||

[fast falcon]

Oof

[tacit charm]

with that being said it is fun there

[fast falcon]

Despite being a fan since Reach, I’ve only recently started joining halo servers with Infinites release

[sharp inlet]

me too

[tacit charm]

honestly i just join a krap ton of halo servers to see what i can get of them (lore wise), so far only a few have peaked my interests and curiosity

[warm fable]

im a little late and sorry for pinging, but i also heard that it could have been escharum meaning what he said in a different way

the death may have been definite in 4 minutes but might not have happened

[tacit charm]

maybe they light speed rammed the ship who knows

[warm fable]

could have been ramming, its brutes we're talking about

[tacit charm]

oh was most likely ramming

just not at light speed obviously (maybe)

[low whale]

yeah I assumed it was a similar attack to what the infinite does at the start of spartan ops

ploughing out of slipspace

[tacit charm]

i mean ramming would (as ironic as it is) would work in taking down or disabling the infinity's shields

[warm fable]

believe theres a theory a guardian attacked the infinity, making it weaker

[tacit charm]

though those ships would have to be going centillion light years a second or weigh a krap ton

[tacit charm]

maybe

[fast falcon]

If not then the Infinity may have still been weakened from the year long fight against the Created, and weren’t expecting an open fight once they got to the ring

[warm fable]

i mean, most ships weight a metric crap ton

[warm fable]

yeah true

[low whale]

yeah I got the impression it was pretty understaffed by the start of infinity

[tacit charm]

also speaking of centillions just found out yesterday forerunners can travel 87 million light years away from the galaxy which is neat though they can travel to other realities and dimensions so that's hardly a surprise tbh

[tacit charm]

i mean wasn't there like 7000ish staffs/deceased out of 15,000ish?

[warm fable]

wasnt there a lot of Spartans on board though?

[tacit charm]

considering a cas carrier which at face value looks lighter than the infinity but weighs around 2.7 billion tons and well look at those banished dreadnaughts, ye they gonna weigh alot

[warm fable]

yeah

[indigo ingot]

I always thought the prophets had purple blood because of the Halo terminal but they do it's just their bruises make them seem like they do but idk if regret or truth leave blood stains or even mercy

[low whale]

I think by the time you see truth he['s too goopy from flood

[terse lava]

Yeah, San'Shyuum have red blood

[sharp inlet]

imagine you are planning something to battle the endless
and master chief just says: we need the flood

[low whale]

nooo terrible idea

if a flood infected an endless it might be resistant to the halo rings

which is the only decent way of killing them haha

[fast falcon]

Also tactically the flood aren’t a good choice at all as they’d guaranteed bring about as much destruction to the galaxy simply gaining strength

[warm fable]

i hope the flood never come back i hate them

[sharp inlet]

to spooky

we need 7 more rings

fire them at the same time

[terse lava]

I wouldn't mind the flood

Were better then the Prometheans

[fast falcon]

I don’t think they have a major place in the story anymore, but a dlc focusing on them would be amazing

The Endless suck compared to them imo

[low whale]

we've only seen 1 endless so far haha

[tacit charm]

nah star roads totally dont destroy planets and star systems

they're totally safe to use

[humble yacht]

We haven’t really seen the Endless yet

We don’t really know if they’ll be any more compelling than the prometheans

[fast falcon]

Well how they’ve been presented thus far is really underwhelming to me

The Harbinger I didn’t find that interesting in design or actions, and the Endless have been set up really poorly in Infinite with just a few vague ideas

[split glacier]

What would guys say was the costliest covenant victory in the H-C war

[rapid nexus]

Reach

[split glacier]

Yeah prolly

[rapid nexus]

i’m not the most knowledgeable on the lore - but from books and games it seems like they had a large amount of UNSC there and they lost which results in a lot of it being destroyed and soldiers eliminated

[split glacier]

I’d say that was an early cause of the great schism

In new Alexandria we see a large brute presence not shown until later in the war

[rapid nexus]

im not sure the exact lore on this but since it seems cortana was ‘randomly’ thrown with chief in CE Reach’s loss ultimately set up the defeat of the covenant

[split glacier]

Yeah

Cortana chose John tho

Funny enough John has received every commendation except the POW medal

[humble yacht]

Where’d you hear that

[split glacier]

I’m pretty sure it’s in the fall of reach novel

[gilded mason]

Cortana was made specifically for the mission RED FLAG, so her involvement wasn't really random.

[rapid nexus]

watch him get captured by the Banished in the dlc just so they can give it to ‘em 😂

[gilded mason]

One of H3's commercials talked about it, at least.

[split glacier]

Aren’t you from halopedia?

[gilded mason]

Yeah.

[split glacier]

Thought I saw you before

How’s it going

[rapid nexus]

that’s dope

[gilded mason]

Pretty good.

[split glacier]

Halopedia has been one of my top sites for near a decade now

[warm fable]

recently, same

love halopedia

[rapid nexus]

i’m gonna be honest i got into halo after the infinite reveal trailer but since then yea its always in top 5

[warm fable]

started playing halo a month before infinite

iirc

halo lore is awesome

[rapid nexus]

agreed

I’ve always been the needy type with comics and whatnot but halo takes the cake

nerdy*

[warm fable]

i started off with destiny, went to elder scrolls, now im at halo

god help me

[tacit charm]

that one hurugok that killed a captain

[fast falcon]

Didn’t he like beat him to death with a rock?

[tacit charm]

honestly dont remember

[fast falcon]

Huragok are awesome, I need to see them in main games again

[tacit charm]

just remember first kill came from an engineer

[warm fable]

love gokkies

[fast falcon]

Some UNSC engineers in future dlcs would be great

[warm fable]

felt bad when i had to kill em in reach

[fast falcon]

Imagine a friendly huragok you could summon at a FOB or something in Infinite

It just floats around and gives you an over shield while making cute noises

[tacit charm]

actually when you think about it because of the butterfly effect, raiding that ship kind of resulted in the entire human covenant war

so there's your answer, raiding of horn of plenty was the most costly covenant victory

[split glacier]

Same

So what do you guys think made the siege of the inner colonies take 50% longer than the massacre of the outer colonies?

Better inner colony defenses or the widespread usage of the Cole protocol?

[gilded mason]

Cole Protocol, I'd assume

[sharp inlet]

more guilty sparks

[warm fable]

less UNSC presence in the outer colonies, better inner colony defenses

[sharp inlet]

yes

[warm fable]

what was the cole protocol again?

[tacit charm]

a book

[sharp inlet]

read us the book

now

[tacit charm]

[unique rune]

It was a set of regulations intended to make it harder for the Covenant to find human territory

[sharp inlet]

super vpn

[split glacier]

Basically a protocol that greatly reduced the likelihood of captured UNSC data leading to new colonies being found by the Covvies and slipspace jump procedures on how to not lead the covvies directly from planet to planet

[tacit charm]

lol

[unique rune]

Stuff like wiping slipspace nav data and making random jumps to throw them off

[warm fable]

oh awesome

[split glacier]

Also purging shipboard AIs

[sharp inlet]

vpn will evolve into that

[warm fable]

this clarified as well, thank you

[split glacier]

It was developed by admiral Preston Cole who was somewhat the leader of the UNSC navy

Until his “death” in 2543

[sharp inlet]

locke is stringer than chief

ah yes

stringer

[warm fable]

the war started in 2525 right?

[sharp inlet]

I dont remember the dates

[warm fable]

ended in 2560 or something?

[tacit charm]

annoyingly yes

2552

[split glacier]

Yes

[warm fable]

ah

so a good 20ish years of war

[sharp inlet]

I just remember 2552-2557

[split glacier]

The H-C war ended in 2553 technically

[sharp inlet]

yes and no

and yes

and more yes

[tacit charm]

chief supposedly dies in 2595

[sharp inlet]

sad unsc noises

[tacit charm]

oh im sorry spoiler alert

[sharp inlet]

nooooooo

I got halo 9 spoilers

rip

[tacit charm]

i mean halo reach kind of ruined any major stakes in halo

tks reach ending that takes place in 2589

[split glacier]

That was when the official Ceasefire with the Arbiters faction was formalized

[sharp inlet]

so noble team died for this

[warm fable]

wdym?

[split glacier]

There’s still 30 years between now and then

[drowsy karma]

"In the year 2525, if Man is still alive...."

[sharp inlet]

master chief is a old man

imagine getting destroyed by a old man

[split glacier]

Yeah almost 30

[warm fable]

i thought reach took place before any of the main series?

[split glacier]

By a few weeks at most yeah

[tacit charm]

the ending takes place in 2589

[split glacier]

It starts in July I think and ends in August/September

[tacit charm]

anyways

[fast falcon]

Master Chief is only 49, not that old

Same age as my father actually

[sharp inlet]

reach starts in july
CE in september

yes?

[warm fable]

i guess chief likes green day, if he woke up when september ended

[sharp inlet]

green always win

[tacit charm]

unless for some reason a big uber mega flood is going to destroy the universe and master chief here has to time travel to change history resulting in flood never existing and such events to not be reasonably mentioned in h3 ads and/or reach post war stuff ye it's unlikely there's going to be any major threats (ones that matter) to humanity

[sharp inlet]

imagine being blue like the covenant

[gilded mason]

Blue and purple are great colors. 😌

[tacit charm]

all black #1that sounded odd

[sharp inlet]

when I started playing reach
like a 7-9 years old me I though jun was mc

I was like

when did mc was a expert with snipers?

yes

[tacit charm]

jun is master chief lol

[sharp inlet]

OMG

carter is cortana

oh yes

[tacit charm]

yes

because blue

[sharp inlet]

and c

[tacit charm]

yes

[sharp inlet]

C

and very intelligent

both died

I mean

um

yes

both good characters

[split glacier]

Lmao

[sharp inlet]

jorge is

jorge

there is no fat spartan

[split glacier]

Carter is my favorite noble

[sharp inlet]

I got a pelican for you

[fast falcon]

Kat is Cortana because Halseys name is Catherine and Cortana was made by Halsey

After she got shot Halsey just made her brain an AI and gave it to Jun Chief

[sharp inlet]

spartans are from halsey

master jun

and cortana noble 1

[split glacier]

Tbh the Spartan 3 class is my favorite

[warm fable]

i despise halsey and hope we get the chance to kill the old hag later on

[sharp inlet]

I like not op characters

[split glacier]

Same

[sharp inlet]

yeah you can like to be a killing machine

but spartan 3

feels like a real soldier

[split glacier]

If you say Emile I’m gonna call you simple

[tacit charm]

i was thinking of jorge

[sharp inlet]

noble 6

[warm fable]

jorges the best

[tacit charm]

but sure emile

[sharp inlet]

face reveal when

I mean

noble 6 could just

[tacit charm]

man was edgy

[sharp inlet]

see his face

when he was dead

[tacit charm]

died to an energy sword

[split glacier]

I can dig Jorge but Emile was just too cringey for me

[sharp inlet]

zealots main antagonist of the game

[warm fable]

emile had the best death though, or carter

[split glacier]

Jun had the best death

[sharp inlet]

I cried

a lot

[warm fable]

emile took out two zealots before dying and thats damn impressive

[sharp inlet]

with jun's death

ah yes

[split glacier]

Same

[sharp inlet]

noble 6 killed 7 elites

[tacit charm]

dont jinx it man

[ornate hawk]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/halo-infinite-lead-narrative-designer-leaves-343-joins-riot-games/1100-6499263/

[warm fable]

true true

[split glacier]

Lol have you read what was it called

The nightfall fan comic?

[warm fable]

THIS IS EXCELLENT.

[tacit charm]

you mean broken arrow?

[split glacier]

There it is

I forgot the name

[sharp inlet]

odst became spartans because of jun

so jun is pro

wait

spartan 4 better than 3?

[tacit charm]

that depends

which s4 you're talking about

[sharp inlet]

like

[split glacier]

I’d say the average Spartan 3 would outclass the average Spartan 4

[tacit charm]

cause there was a proto 4

[drowsy karma]

She is a cold, detached monster. Your stock mad scientist.

[sharp inlet]

fireteam osiris for example

[split glacier]

Peak S-3 being Tom

And Lucy

[warm fable]

that is why she dies

[tacit charm]

and she could have been up there with the giga chads

[terse lava]

@warm fable she is far kinder than Ackerson

And all of ONI

[warm fable]

id just love a spartan shooting her with a magnum

all my homies hate ONI

[untold wasp]

Imo buck and Locke are pretty high since one was a odst and another is a oni agent

[sharp inlet]

halshey is the embodiment of
oh no, anyways

[tacit charm]

halsey?

[unique rune]

She's... really not, but okay.

[sharp inlet]

this makes mc vs locke fight more good

[tacit charm]

you see that in spartan ops

[fast falcon]

Halsey’s prob one of the best Halo characters imo

[tacit charm]

granted the shot didnt kill her

[warm fable]

yes

[untold wasp]

But it was too slow, and just not fun

[tacit charm]

but you see it nonetheless

[sharp inlet]

yeah

[split glacier]

Anyone think Spartan ops was actually good?

[tacit charm]

no

wait

[split glacier]

I always wanted a second season

[terse lava]

Would be kinda bad ifbshot was killed. She has the most knowledge on Forerunner relics outside the former Covenant

[untold wasp]

If they were like throwing each other or knocking each other back that would be better

[sharp inlet]

I only played 1 lvl

[fast falcon]

I enjoyed the story of it, and it was fun to just play a few missions each week

[tacit charm]

didnt you bring this up like a month ago

[sharp inlet]

using the new armour abilities

[split glacier]

Not here

[tacit charm]

ik

[fast falcon]

At least, I enjoyed the characters in the story

[split glacier]

I liked it

[sharp inlet]

I think fireteam osiris should appear in a different game before h5

[split glacier]

I think it showed how accurate it would be if you let regular soldiers be Spartans

[tacit charm]

i liked the scene where infinity rams an armoured cruiser

[warm fable]

maybe, itd just be kinda nice to see someone less evil take her spot

[tacit charm]

nice way of calculating shields for both ships

[untold wasp]

The banished clearly watched that

[tacit charm]

lol

[ornate hawk]

oh the foreshadowing they had in that one

[split glacier]

I liked how the infinity carried the UNSC post war

That was literally like the only good ship humanity had

[terse lava]

@warm fable she really is the nicest, everyone else was worse. She did what she could to ensure as many SII survived the augs as she could

[sharp inlet]

wait thinking about it
in new alexandria, when the noble team was escaping, jorge would die because he to slow

so rip jorge

[fast falcon]

I think Halsey being so morally compromised in the past makes her for a real interesting character tbh. How she personally grapples with the morality of what she’s done is really interesting

[sharp inlet]

again

[warm fable]

you do make a point

oh wait halsey actually feels bad???

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[split glacier]

She felt the Spartan 2 program was a necessary evil

[gilded mason]

She had nightmares for years after she did the SII thing

[warm fable]

well shiver me timbers and call em cold, ill be dambed

[sharp inlet]

imagine kidnapping a child and making him a machine, a killing machine

[untold wasp]

Wasn’t Jorge a Spartan II? He still would of been fast even with the armor

[unique rune]

jorge would die because he to slow
uh

no